good job “irish” with your original nickname, ya i didnt even bother to watch the video, this guy could probably win 10 fights in a row via decision and still not get a title shot. I dont care about his past performances prior to the ufc, his fight with heath pissed me off
Has there been a fight with AA on his back the whole time? I don’t think so. AA by decision, or TKO. His last few fights have been kinda boring. We need the old AA. I wanna see a KO like the Buentello fight.
I think AA will come out looking for blood. Hey, it’s his last fight with the UFC, so he’s going to want to put on a dramatic, quick show. Then give Dana the finger as he leaves the cage.
I don’t thinnk he’ll leave if he puts on a good show. If he wins by KO or something, they’ll give him a nice juicey contract to sink his teeth into I would think.
Then again, it is Dana White who runs things, so you never know.
[quote comment=”327278″]I think AA will come out looking for blood. Hey, it’s his last fight with the UFC, so he’s going to want to put on a dramatic, quick show. Then give Dana the finger as he leaves the cage.[/quote]
Yeah, we think that in any of his fights.. than we have three rounds of nothing..
One of the guys, I work with at scrubsports.com actually trains at Integrated Fighting Academy with O’Brien and says that Jake’s striking is terrible. Not really a huge news flash to anyone but I don’t think that Jake will get Arlovski down as easy as Herring was to take down. Arlovski is a Sambo guy and it should be lights out for Jake late in the 1st.
“I’ll be fine” hahahaha, dood ! your fighting Arlovski - you will not be fine for even 1 second. I hope AA takes his head off - if AA even loses to a lay n pray it wont take anything away from him IMO. AA matches up with top 5 HW’s even SHW’s - leave the ufc go get that dough in russia or japan.
jake o’brien is a lame fighter, all he did against herring was form tackle herring like a football player every chance he got and that was all he did. no ground and pound even. it sucks that a fighter can get points that way, he beat herring on points but by no means did he beat up heath herring, just beat him on cowards points
[quote comment=”327287″][quote comment=”327278″]I think AA will come out looking for blood. Hey, it’s his last fight with the UFC, so he’s going to want to put on a dramatic, quick show. Then give Dana the finger as he leaves the cage.[/quote]
Yeah, we think that in any of his fights.. than we have three rounds of nothing..[/quote]
?? He has had 2 decisions in his past 15 fights do you have any idea what you are talking about? His last fight was boring granted, his fight before that was a tko and his fight vs. Timmy he fought injured the fight before that he got knocked out which is still exciting to me not really being a huge arlovski fan. then before that it was a list of knockouts. Am I missing something here? Sad watchng people turn on fighters after a couple lackluster performances me myself being a cro cop fan I have first hand experience. Not trying to make excuses (though it looks that way) but thats the reality with his situation. his last fight was like watching paint dry don’t have to tell me that but pretty tough to argue the facts.
ye just to say here alot of people are bashing jakes performance and his style saying he is boring but they forget he won his first 8 fights by ko or tko and they seem to readily forget arlovski vs sylvia 3 and fabricio werdum vs arlovski. they were terrible fights and it wasnt his oponents it was arlovski not willing to engage.
sergie kharitonov and josh barnett for a ufc contract
Personally think AA is one of the best. Do not think Irish has much of a chance. Arlovski has always handled the take down will if you can get that far. Yes AA’s last fight was a little boring, however it was not against a routine nobody. It was Werdum! Arlovski controlled the standup and understandably did not want to hit the mat with him. Likewise werdum did not want to stand with AA. Would You??? Both were masters of their particular realm and neither wanted to fight the others strength knowing full well the outcome if they did. Thus unfortunatly a boring fight. If the UFC really does let AA walk away……. what wasted opportunity.
Man I hope AA can crack him with a knee to the face the second he shoots for the take down. These former amateur wrestlers need to either learn to become complete MMA fighters or don’t bother. No one watches amateur wresting for a reason; it’s boring as p**s.
Wow you guys are rough lol. I hate fights won by LnP as much as the next person but it’s really not the fighters’ fault. It’s a strategy allowed by the rules of MMA. Takedowns score points even if they don’t do anything with it. It sucks. But cut the fighters some slack, they’re looking to win in a professional MMA contest, and according to the current rules and scoring system, LnP can be effective. Bash the rules and scoring instead.
That said, I hope AA comes into this fight like his old self.
i hope he doesn’t try to hump him on the ground the whole fight! i’m all about wrestling but if you can’t fight (do both) you don’t need to be in this sport. it’s ultimate fighting not ultimate wrestling
[quote comment=”327443″]Wow you guys are rough lol. I hate fights won by LnP as much as the next person but it’s really not the fighters’ fault. It’s a strategy allowed by the rules of MMA. Takedowns score points even if they don’t do anything with it. It sucks. But cut the fighters some slack, they’re looking to win in a professional MMA contest, and according to the current rules and scoring system, LnP can be effective. Bash the rules and scoring instead.
That said, I hope AA comes into this fight like his old self.[/quote]
It’s not a fighter’s fault if he has absolutely no skill to do anything other than take a guy down and hold him there? Takedowns are fine, but do something. Pass guard, ground and pound or work for a submission, but don’t just sit there and try to win a fight. This is MMA, not amateur wrestling.
[quote comment=”327453″][quote comment=”327443″]Wow you guys are rough lol. I hate fights won by LnP as much as the next person but it’s really not the fighters’ fault. It’s a strategy allowed by the rules of MMA. Takedowns score points even if they don’t do anything with it. It sucks. But cut the fighters some slack, they’re looking to win in a professional MMA contest, and according to the current rules and scoring system, LnP can be effective. Bash the rules and scoring instead.
That said, I hope AA comes into this fight like his old self.[/quote]
It’s not a fighter’s fault if he has absolutely no skill to do anything other than take a guy down and hold him there? Takedowns are fine, but do something. Pass guard, ground and pound or work for a submission, but don’t just sit there and try to win a fight. This is MMA, not amateur wrestling.[/quote]
PW: u r absolutly right. I love me a good ground War, but once he get a fighter down, you have to do something, pass guard…..if not you become Tito Ortiz, a boring G n’P fighter who hasnt passed guard in about 5 years. Look at some of Nogueira’s Pride fights….Thats exciting grappling, he makes it look effort-less when he passes from his opponents guard, to half guard, to side mount and eventually mount(while attempting submissions in the process. Ground fights can be very exciting when they are technical.
Where did everyone get this idea that Arlovski cant grapple?
“Might as well just ground this one out” seems to be the philosophy of Irish Ambien Jake O’brien….. and you guys are giving him hell about it. Jon Fitch actually said after his Diego win “Might as well just ground this one out” …… that’s a direct quote….. and he is the darling of the Internet. I’m sure there is some logical reason for the dichotomy of thought you guys are showing…..
Why do so many people think that Arlovski cant handle himself on the ground? Grant it, AA was not willing to go to the ground against Werdum but thats a completely different animal. Werdum is a ju jitsu wizard, while O’brien is a G n P wrestler. Not only do I think Obrien will go through hell trying to take Arlovski down, but if he does get him down, No way Arlovski stays down. O brien is a decent wrestler but he is no Brock Lesner thats for sure.
Also Arlovski posses some of the best Leg locks in the heavyweight division, and leg locks are very effective against Wrestlers.
I mentioned the other day that Athletes in their “contract year” always perform to the best of their abaility. Well this fight is basically Arlovski’s “contract year”. What I mean by that is that this will be the last chance Andre has of increasing his value for the up coming free agent contractual negotiations.
PW: u r absolutly right. I love me a good ground War, but once he get a fighter down, you have to do something, pass guard…..if not you become Tito Ortiz, a boring G n’P fighter who hasnt passed guard in about 5 years. Look at some of Nogueira’s Pride fights….Thats exciting grappling, he makes it look effort-less when he passes from his opponents guard, to half guard, to side mount and eventually mount(while attempting submissions in the process. Ground fights can be very exciting when they are technical.
Where did everyone get this idea that Arlovski cant grapple?
[quote comment=”327453″][quote comment=”327443″]Wow you guys are rough lol. I hate fights won by LnP as much as the next person but it’s really not the fighters’ fault. It’s a strategy allowed by the rules of MMA. Takedowns score points even if they don’t do anything with it. It sucks. But cut the fighters some slack, they’re looking to win in a professional MMA contest, and according to the current rules and scoring system, LnP can be effective. Bash the rules and scoring instead.
That said, I hope AA comes into this fight like his old self.[/quote]
It’s not a fighter’s fault if he has absolutely no skill to do anything other than take a guy down and hold him there? Takedowns are fine, but do something. Pass guard, ground and pound or work for a submission, but don’t just sit there and try to win a fight. This is MMA, not amateur wrestling.[/quote]
Yeah, no shit, but it’s the rules and the scoring system that allows wrestlers with little to no knowledge of any other aspect of MMA to come into pro fights and have moderate success using ONLY their wrestling. The orgs and commissions need to make changes to encourage more of other skills to be used in order for it to actually happen. Why would a pro fighter who makes a living off of wins and losses make an effort to change up their style when they are WINNING and getting PAID for it?
[quote comment=”327573″]DOminating Heath Herring on the ground is one thing, but doing it to AA is a completely different story, as John already explained.[/quote]
Exactly! Dominating Heath Hearing on the ground is the highlite of O’Brien’s career. He is going to bring a whole lot more than that to the fight if he wanr=ts to beat a hungry Arkovski fighting for a new contract and a pay raise. What better motivation to fight his ass off?
Last time I checked, Sambo trainig consist of a lot of ground work.
Adam Morgan: There’s been a lot of talk about contracts and pay in the UFC right now. Are you happy with your current deal?
Josh Koscheck: I’m just gonna say no comment with that and just avoid the question altogether. It’s tough times right now and I’m gonna be coming up for a renegotiation of my contract after this fight. I’ll let my managers do all that. I don’t want to have anything to do with it. That’s why I have an awesome manager, Zinkin.tv, probably one of the best management companies in the world right now in mixed martial arts. I’ll let them handle that and I’m just gonna not comment on it. That’s their job and my job is to fight.
Adam Morgan: Are you still on your Ultimate Fighter contract? And is this the last fight on it?
Josh Koscheck: Yes I am. I’ve fulfilled my nine fights and now there’s just time remaining on the contract but I didn’t just want to sit around for 8 or 9 months so I decided to just fight again.
Cagepotato.com assumes that’s why Koscheck is being relegated to the undercard like AA. I would have to agree.
top-ten middleweight in the estimation of many observers, tried to get a fight with the UFC and was flatly turned down. According to Lindland, “I made it very clear to Dana (White), and he’s the final decision-maker on all that stuff, I made it very clear that I was looking for them to make me an offer. I said, “Make me an offer, and let’s talk. Let’s do business.’ I got back a, “We’re not going to make you any kind of an offer’ response.”
For those not familiar with the back story, Lindland was let go by the UFC supposedly for wearing an unapproved sponsor’s logo to the weigh-in of UFC 54. It’s hard to believe that the sport’s preeminent promotion would part with a quality fighter over such a minor squabble, so we’re left to wonder if there might not have been other issues at play. Whatever the reason for the split, White’s apparent inability to push aside his towering ego two and half years after the logo incident is one step down the same painful, self-destructive path pioneered by boxing.
Like him or not, Lindland is a top-flight middleweight, a world class wrestler and grappler who competes at the UFC’s weakest weight class. Refusing Lindland’s offer undercuts the UFC’s credibility as the world’s premier fighting organization and deprives fans of the best possible fights. If personal enmity prevents fans from seeing Lindland fight Rich Franklin, Nathan Marquardt, Yushin Okami, and UFC champion Anderson Silva, then White will have truly begun a Dorian Gray-like transformation into that which he despises most.
AA is probably the most talented guy in the HW division
but his attitude is absurd, I even remember him being shy throwing hands in the fight with pedapano cruz.. who was an amateur boxer at best.
and more than that whoever loses 2 fights in a row against tim sylvia suxs.
[quote comment=”327668″][quote comment=”327660″]Mania, please dont erase my latest matt lindland post. Its information that all UFC fans have to be made aware of.
Thanks,
John[/quote]
John, if there is some big news on Linland I wanna hear about it, where did you attempt to post it, on this thread right here?
If Mania for some reason or another doesnt let it threw lemme know and e’mail it to me.[/quote]
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[quote comment=”327684″][quote comment=”327668″][quote comment=”327660″]Mania, please dont erase my latest matt lindland post. Its information that all UFC fans have to be made aware of.
Thanks,
John[/quote]
John, if there is some big news on Linland I wanna hear about it, where did you attempt to post it, on this thread right here?
If Mania for some reason or another doesnt let it threw lemme know and e’mail it to me.[/quote]
r u 2 dating[/quote]
Good one idiot.
[quote comment=”327319″]For those who think O’brien could win a lnp victory, just watch Arlovski vs Matyushenko[/quote]
to add to this comment, if you think your ok if AA is on his back ask Marcio Cruz what kind of ko power he has while on his back. Watch Arlovski vs Cruz fight.
[quote comment=”327301″]jake o’brien is a lame fighter, all he did against herring was form tackle herring like a football player every chance he got and that was all he did. no ground and pound even. it sucks that a fighter can get points that way, he beat herring on points but by no means did he beat up heath herring, just beat him on cowards points[/quote]
his a takedown laydown fighter. he would be better off being in wwe or tna. how the hell could dana and joe even want him 2 fight in the ufc again?if they signed him again they r the dumbest people i know. and if he had another fight on the contract they should’ve let him go like ken shamrock. the ufc raised the price of ppv and they put a so-called fighter like him on it come on you guys give us r moneys worth. ppv should should b 4 the popular fighters only.
[quote comment=”327668″][quote comment=”327660″]Mania, please dont erase my latest matt lindland post. Its information that all UFC fans have to be made aware of.
Thanks,
John[/quote]
John, if there is some big news on Linland I wanna hear about it, where did you attempt to post it, on this thread right here?
If Mania for some reason or another doesnt let it threw lemme know and e’mail it to me.[/quote]
[quote comment=”327849″][quote comment=”327301″]jake o’brien is a lame fighter, all he did against herring was form tackle herring like a football player every chance he got and that was all he did. no ground and pound even. it sucks that a fighter can get points that way, he beat herring on points but by no means did he beat up heath herring, just beat him on cowards points[/quote]
thank you now i don’t have 2 say anything.[/quote]
Once again, the UFC has to adjust its scoring system. No points should be awarded for a takedown if the fighter doesnt do anything with the top position. I would award points to the fighter who got taken down and fought his way up to his feet with out incurring any damage. PRIDE scoring system was a much better way of judging MMA IMO. IF the UFC judges could adopt the PRIDE scoring system and judge the fights with some integrity, thenm I feel it would be a better scoring system for the UFC, then the one currently in place.
I think o’brien will have a hard time getting arlovski down, he won’t be like herring, arlovski is very athletic and fast, it should be a very interesting fight.
[quote comment=”328919″]Anomaly: The Lindland news was posted 2 spots before your post addressing me…check it out. The post starts with…
My Beef with Dana White… All I can say is, forget seeing Lidland in the Octagon.[/quote]
This is terrible news, Linland did great agaisnt Rampage, and not bad at all agasint Fedor given the size diff, I would love to see him mix it up with Hendo in a grappling WAR, that is my dream, thoughts on whos greco Roman wrestling is superior?
I would have to say Linland’s slightly, as his loss to Rampage was slightly more controversial than Hendo’s. But Hendo’s striking is so much better in an MMA bout it could more than even things out.
[quote comment=”327287″][quote comment=”327278″]I think AA will come out looking for blood. Hey, it’s his last fight with the UFC, so he’s going to want to put on a dramatic, quick show. Then give Dana the finger as he leaves the cage.[/quote]
Yeah, we think that in any of his fights.. than we have three rounds of nothing..[/quote]
–which one of his many fights are you refering to? Most ive seen have been exciting in my opinion. it sounds you are basing your opinion only on the last couple of fights… werdum makes others boring because of style. also, the maniac wasnt making it exciting either since he didnt want to go in there and throw punches with him. So dont just blame AA, the fighters and their styles make it what it is…
i keep saying throw him some strikers and u ll b eating ur comments in no time about AA. Dana white is not stupid, he doesnt want to pay him so hes doing everything he can to not see AA succeed, hence the style of fighters he has been getting as of recently, although he has been beating all of them
[quote comment=”329577″][quote comment=”328919″]Anomaly: The Lindland news was posted 2 spots before your post addressing me…check it out. The post starts with…
My Beef with Dana White… All I can say is, forget seeing Lidland in the Octagon.[/quote]
This is terrible news, Linland did great agaisnt Rampage, and not bad at all agasint Fedor given the size diff, I would love to see him mix it up with Hendo in a grappling WAR, that is my dream, thoughts on whos greco Roman wrestling is superior?
I would have to say Linland’s slightly, as his loss to Rampage was slightly more controversial than Hendo’s. But Hendo’s striking is so much better in an MMA bout it could more than even things out.[/quote]
Lindland would have done a lot better against fedor if fedor hadn’t illegally grabbed onto the ropes and used them to turn the takedown around. if he hadn’t done that, lindland would have been on top and not the other way around.
In case some people didnt see the O brian , Herrin fight, I’ll recap because I think O bRian did a great job, against a great fighter and doesnt deserve such a bad rap for being a lay and pray guy. If you wanna accuse someone of that go pick on the HUghes, ortiz’, or Sherks who get one take down a round and then lay in side control or stay in the guys full gaurd the rest of the round, as you can see from this recap, O brian stayed more then busy.
Round 1-(IM only going to recap what O Brian did since Herring did nothing except throw the left jab when he wasnt even close, and a few sloppy high kicks)Obrian was also feeding Herring shots the whole time, and although they could have been better, did manage to bloody Herrings face up by the second round- Round 1-Take down, pass to side control,mount, takes back,attempts choke, stand up, take down to side control
Round 2 take down quickly to mount gets back, mounts, take down, gets back, gets mount
Round 3-take down, to mount, reversal, side control, elbows, gets back, gets take down to mount reversal, side control, mount.
Damn, you guys are rough. The kid is 23 and has a hell of a record as a world class wrestler. Last I heard, this was called Mixed martial arts - If I wanna see boxing I will go to a f**(ing boxing match. I would love to see any of you take down Herring - guarantee you would wet yourself just stepping in the ring. Give the kid a break! I think the fight will be much better than anyone thinks - yes it may be a boring fight - but let the kid develop he has to start somewhere. Go O’Brien kick his ass!
I didn’t watch the vid yet, but it sounds like he wants a lay and pray victory.
good job “irish” with your original nickname, ya i didnt even bother to watch the video, this guy could probably win 10 fights in a row via decision and still not get a title shot. I dont care about his past performances prior to the ufc, his fight with heath pissed me off
I agree with above. he also looks dumb.
Jake “Lay and Pray” OBrien; Wow, what a way to Frag Arlovski, by giving him an Irish Blanket.
Has there been a fight with AA on his back the whole time? I don’t think so. AA by decision, or TKO. His last few fights have been kinda boring. We need the old AA. I wanna see a KO like the Buentello fight.
Unfortunately for Jake the fight starts STANDING.
I’m sitting in the club level Saturday night. Hope I can leave with Jake’s head as a reminder I was there. GO AA!!
shit… no one can take the pitbull down and lay and pray…. hes too strong…. aa will ko his punk ass
I’m actually cheering for o’brian, I like wrestlers.
and I hate AA because with his capability he could be a monster, instead he has shown some seriously bad performances..
O’brien’s “fight not to lose” style gives skilled grapplers a bad name. Go AA!
I think AA will come out looking for blood. Hey, it’s his last fight with the UFC, so he’s going to want to put on a dramatic, quick show. Then give Dana the finger as he leaves the cage.
Wow another ‘Lay-N-Pray’ from Jake O’Brien, who would have thought?
I don’t thinnk he’ll leave if he puts on a good show. If he wins by KO or something, they’ll give him a nice juicey contract to sink his teeth into I would think.
Then again, it is Dana White who runs things, so you never know.
[quote comment=”327278″]I think AA will come out looking for blood. Hey, it’s his last fight with the UFC, so he’s going to want to put on a dramatic, quick show. Then give Dana the finger as he leaves the cage.[/quote]
Yeah, we think that in any of his fights.. than we have three rounds of nothing..
One of the guys, I work with at scrubsports.com actually trains at Integrated Fighting Academy with O’Brien and says that Jake’s striking is terrible. Not really a huge news flash to anyone but I don’t think that Jake will get Arlovski down as easy as Herring was to take down. Arlovski is a Sambo guy and it should be lights out for Jake late in the 1st.
“I’ll be fine” hahahaha, dood ! your fighting Arlovski - you will not be fine for even 1 second. I hope AA takes his head off - if AA even loses to a lay n pray it wont take anything away from him IMO. AA matches up with top 5 HW’s even SHW’s - leave the ufc go get that dough in russia or japan.
jake o’brien is a lame fighter, all he did against herring was form tackle herring like a football player every chance he got and that was all he did. no ground and pound even. it sucks that a fighter can get points that way, he beat herring on points but by no means did he beat up heath herring, just beat him on cowards points
[quote comment=”327287″][quote comment=”327278″]I think AA will come out looking for blood. Hey, it’s his last fight with the UFC, so he’s going to want to put on a dramatic, quick show. Then give Dana the finger as he leaves the cage.[/quote]
Yeah, we think that in any of his fights.. than we have three rounds of nothing..[/quote]
?? He has had 2 decisions in his past 15 fights do you have any idea what you are talking about? His last fight was boring granted, his fight before that was a tko and his fight vs. Timmy he fought injured the fight before that he got knocked out which is still exciting to me not really being a huge arlovski fan. then before that it was a list of knockouts. Am I missing something here? Sad watchng people turn on fighters after a couple lackluster performances me myself being a cro cop fan I have first hand experience. Not trying to make excuses (though it looks that way) but thats the reality with his situation. his last fight was like watching paint dry don’t have to tell me that but pretty tough to argue the facts.
For those who think O’brien could win a lnp victory, just watch Arlovski vs Matyushenko
I’m keeping my fingers crossed that this match winds up being televised on the PPV card.
ye just to say here alot of people are bashing jakes performance and his style saying he is boring but they forget he won his first 8 fights by ko or tko and they seem to readily forget arlovski vs sylvia 3 and fabricio werdum vs arlovski. they were terrible fights and it wasnt his oponents it was arlovski not willing to engage.
sergie kharitonov and josh barnett for a ufc contract
Personally think AA is one of the best. Do not think Irish has much of a chance. Arlovski has always handled the take down will if you can get that far. Yes AA’s last fight was a little boring, however it was not against a routine nobody. It was Werdum! Arlovski controlled the standup and understandably did not want to hit the mat with him. Likewise werdum did not want to stand with AA. Would You??? Both were masters of their particular realm and neither wanted to fight the others strength knowing full well the outcome if they did. Thus unfortunatly a boring fight. If the UFC really does let AA walk away……. what wasted opportunity.
no kiddin he tore up matyushenko… arlovski will win.. if not id hang them up andrei
good to see he plans on making this an exciting fight.
I hope that O’Brien knocks him into another organization!
Go to hell, you lay-n-pray dry-humping douche.
Man I hope AA can crack him with a knee to the face the second he shoots for the take down. These former amateur wrestlers need to either learn to become complete MMA fighters or don’t bother. No one watches amateur wresting for a reason; it’s boring as p**s.
GO PITBULL
LAY N PRAY
Come on O`Brien!!!
Wow you guys are rough lol. I hate fights won by LnP as much as the next person but it’s really not the fighters’ fault. It’s a strategy allowed by the rules of MMA. Takedowns score points even if they don’t do anything with it. It sucks. But cut the fighters some slack, they’re looking to win in a professional MMA contest, and according to the current rules and scoring system, LnP can be effective. Bash the rules and scoring instead.
That said, I hope AA comes into this fight like his old self.
i hope he doesn’t try to hump him on the ground the whole fight! i’m all about wrestling but if you can’t fight (do both) you don’t need to be in this sport. it’s ultimate fighting not ultimate wrestling
[quote comment=”327443″]Wow you guys are rough lol. I hate fights won by LnP as much as the next person but it’s really not the fighters’ fault. It’s a strategy allowed by the rules of MMA. Takedowns score points even if they don’t do anything with it. It sucks. But cut the fighters some slack, they’re looking to win in a professional MMA contest, and according to the current rules and scoring system, LnP can be effective. Bash the rules and scoring instead.
That said, I hope AA comes into this fight like his old self.[/quote]
It’s not a fighter’s fault if he has absolutely no skill to do anything other than take a guy down and hold him there? Takedowns are fine, but do something. Pass guard, ground and pound or work for a submission, but don’t just sit there and try to win a fight. This is MMA, not amateur wrestling.
[quote comment=”327453″][quote comment=”327443″]Wow you guys are rough lol. I hate fights won by LnP as much as the next person but it’s really not the fighters’ fault. It’s a strategy allowed by the rules of MMA. Takedowns score points even if they don’t do anything with it. It sucks. But cut the fighters some slack, they’re looking to win in a professional MMA contest, and according to the current rules and scoring system, LnP can be effective. Bash the rules and scoring instead.
That said, I hope AA comes into this fight like his old self.[/quote]
It’s not a fighter’s fault if he has absolutely no skill to do anything other than take a guy down and hold him there? Takedowns are fine, but do something. Pass guard, ground and pound or work for a submission, but don’t just sit there and try to win a fight. This is MMA, not amateur wrestling.[/quote]
PW: u r absolutly right. I love me a good ground War, but once he get a fighter down, you have to do something, pass guard…..if not you become Tito Ortiz, a boring G n’P fighter who hasnt passed guard in about 5 years. Look at some of Nogueira’s Pride fights….Thats exciting grappling, he makes it look effort-less when he passes from his opponents guard, to half guard, to side mount and eventually mount(while attempting submissions in the process. Ground fights can be very exciting when they are technical.
Where did everyone get this idea that Arlovski cant grapple?
“Might as well just ground this one out” seems to be the philosophy of Irish Ambien Jake O’brien….. and you guys are giving him hell about it. Jon Fitch actually said after his Diego win “Might as well just ground this one out” …… that’s a direct quote….. and he is the darling of the Internet. I’m sure there is some logical reason for the dichotomy of thought you guys are showing…..
I liked this article a lot better when I read it 5 HOURS AGO!!!!!!
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Why do so many people think that Arlovski cant handle himself on the ground? Grant it, AA was not willing to go to the ground against Werdum but thats a completely different animal. Werdum is a ju jitsu wizard, while O’brien is a G n P wrestler. Not only do I think Obrien will go through hell trying to take Arlovski down, but if he does get him down, No way Arlovski stays down. O brien is a decent wrestler but he is no Brock Lesner thats for sure.
Also Arlovski posses some of the best Leg locks in the heavyweight division, and leg locks are very effective against Wrestlers.
I mentioned the other day that Athletes in their “contract year” always perform to the best of their abaility. Well this fight is basically Arlovski’s “contract year”. What I mean by that is that this will be the last chance Andre has of increasing his value for the up coming free agent contractual negotiations.
I really dont see Arlovski loosing this fight.
PW: u r absolutly right. I love me a good ground War, but once he get a fighter down, you have to do something, pass guard…..if not you become Tito Ortiz, a boring G n’P fighter who hasnt passed guard in about 5 years. Look at some of Nogueira’s Pride fights….Thats exciting grappling, he makes it look effort-less when he passes from his opponents guard, to half guard, to side mount and eventually mount(while attempting submissions in the process. Ground fights can be very exciting when they are technical.
Where did everyone get this idea that Arlovski cant grapple?
[quote comment=”327453″][quote comment=”327443″]Wow you guys are rough lol. I hate fights won by LnP as much as the next person but it’s really not the fighters’ fault. It’s a strategy allowed by the rules of MMA. Takedowns score points even if they don’t do anything with it. It sucks. But cut the fighters some slack, they’re looking to win in a professional MMA contest, and according to the current rules and scoring system, LnP can be effective. Bash the rules and scoring instead.
That said, I hope AA comes into this fight like his old self.[/quote]
It’s not a fighter’s fault if he has absolutely no skill to do anything other than take a guy down and hold him there? Takedowns are fine, but do something. Pass guard, ground and pound or work for a submission, but don’t just sit there and try to win a fight. This is MMA, not amateur wrestling.[/quote]
Yeah, no shit, but it’s the rules and the scoring system that allows wrestlers with little to no knowledge of any other aspect of MMA to come into pro fights and have moderate success using ONLY their wrestling. The orgs and commissions need to make changes to encourage more of other skills to be used in order for it to actually happen. Why would a pro fighter who makes a living off of wins and losses make an effort to change up their style when they are WINNING and getting PAID for it?
[quote comment=”327379″]Go to hell, you lay-n-pray dry-humping douche.[/quote]
Did you like AA with or without his hair chest you creep?
ARLOVSKI NEEDS TO COME OUT ALL HAIRY AND NASTY LOOKIN LIKE HE USED TO
DOminating Heath Herring on the ground is one thing, but doing it to AA is a completely different story, as John already explained.
AA by decapitation!!!
[quote comment=”327573″]DOminating Heath Herring on the ground is one thing, but doing it to AA is a completely different story, as John already explained.[/quote]
Exactly! Dominating Heath Hearing on the ground is the highlite of O’Brien’s career. He is going to bring a whole lot more than that to the fight if he wanr=ts to beat a hungry Arkovski fighting for a new contract and a pay raise. What better motivation to fight his ass off?
Last time I checked, Sambo trainig consist of a lot of ground work.
I don’t know if someone posted this already, but Koscheck might be on the way out too.
http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/02/22/josh-koscheck-talks-dustin-hazelett-ufc-82-matt-hughes-thoughts-on-swicks-debut-at-170-and-more-in-this-new-5-oz-interview/
Here’s the part about his contract:
Adam Morgan: There’s been a lot of talk about contracts and pay in the UFC right now. Are you happy with your current deal?
Josh Koscheck: I’m just gonna say no comment with that and just avoid the question altogether. It’s tough times right now and I’m gonna be coming up for a renegotiation of my contract after this fight. I’ll let my managers do all that. I don’t want to have anything to do with it. That’s why I have an awesome manager, Zinkin.tv, probably one of the best management companies in the world right now in mixed martial arts. I’ll let them handle that and I’m just gonna not comment on it. That’s their job and my job is to fight.
Adam Morgan: Are you still on your Ultimate Fighter contract? And is this the last fight on it?
Josh Koscheck: Yes I am. I’ve fulfilled my nine fights and now there’s just time remaining on the contract but I didn’t just want to sit around for 8 or 9 months so I decided to just fight again.
Cagepotato.com assumes that’s why Koscheck is being relegated to the undercard like AA. I would have to agree.
My Beef with Dana White:
top-ten middleweight in the estimation of many observers, tried to get a fight with the UFC and was flatly turned down. According to Lindland, “I made it very clear to Dana (White), and he’s the final decision-maker on all that stuff, I made it very clear that I was looking for them to make me an offer. I said, “Make me an offer, and let’s talk. Let’s do business.’ I got back a, “We’re not going to make you any kind of an offer’ response.”
For those not familiar with the back story, Lindland was let go by the UFC supposedly for wearing an unapproved sponsor’s logo to the weigh-in of UFC 54. It’s hard to believe that the sport’s preeminent promotion would part with a quality fighter over such a minor squabble, so we’re left to wonder if there might not have been other issues at play. Whatever the reason for the split, White’s apparent inability to push aside his towering ego two and half years after the logo incident is one step down the same painful, self-destructive path pioneered by boxing.
Like him or not, Lindland is a top-flight middleweight, a world class wrestler and grappler who competes at the UFC’s weakest weight class. Refusing Lindland’s offer undercuts the UFC’s credibility as the world’s premier fighting organization and deprives fans of the best possible fights. If personal enmity prevents fans from seeing Lindland fight Rich Franklin, Nathan Marquardt, Yushin Okami, and UFC champion Anderson Silva, then White will have truly begun a Dorian Gray-like transformation into that which he despises most.
Mania, please dont erase my latest matt lindland post. Its information that all UFC fans have to be made aware of.
Thanks,
John
[quote comment=”327660″]Mania, please dont erase my latest matt lindland post. Its information that all UFC fans have to be made aware of.
Thanks,
John[/quote]
John, if there is some big news on Linland I wanna hear about it, where did you attempt to post it, on this thread right here?
If Mania for some reason or another doesnt let it threw lemme know and e’mail it to me.
AA is probably the most talented guy in the HW division
but his attitude is absurd, I even remember him being shy throwing hands in the fight with pedapano cruz.. who was an amateur boxer at best.
and more than that whoever loses 2 fights in a row against tim sylvia suxs.
[quote comment=”327668″][quote comment=”327660″]Mania, please dont erase my latest matt lindland post. Its information that all UFC fans have to be made aware of.
Thanks,
John[/quote]
John, if there is some big news on Linland I wanna hear about it, where did you attempt to post it, on this thread right here?
If Mania for some reason or another doesnt let it threw lemme know and e’mail it to me.[/quote]
r u 2 dating
[quote comment=”327684″][quote comment=”327668″][quote comment=”327660″]Mania, please dont erase my latest matt lindland post. Its information that all UFC fans have to be made aware of.
Thanks,
John[/quote]
John, if there is some big news on Linland I wanna hear about it, where did you attempt to post it, on this thread right here?
If Mania for some reason or another doesnt let it threw lemme know and e’mail it to me.[/quote]
r u 2 dating[/quote]
Good one idiot.
[quote comment=”327319″]For those who think O’brien could win a lnp victory, just watch Arlovski vs Matyushenko[/quote]
to add to this comment, if you think your ok if AA is on his back ask Marcio Cruz what kind of ko power he has while on his back. Watch Arlovski vs Cruz fight.
[quote comment=”327301″]jake o’brien is a lame fighter, all he did against herring was form tackle herring like a football player every chance he got and that was all he did. no ground and pound even. it sucks that a fighter can get points that way, he beat herring on points but by no means did he beat up heath herring, just beat him on cowards points[/quote]
thank you now i don’t have 2 say anything.
his a takedown laydown fighter. he would be better off being in wwe or tna. how the hell could dana and joe even want him 2 fight in the ufc again?if they signed him again they r the dumbest people i know. and if he had another fight on the contract they should’ve let him go like ken shamrock. the ufc raised the price of ppv and they put a so-called fighter like him on it come on you guys give us r moneys worth. ppv should should b 4 the popular fighters only.
come on, he was only 22 and herring had caught him with some decent shots, he layed and prayed just because he was kinda hurt..
give him a chance.
He didnt really lay and pray Hearing, itwas more like take down after takedown after takedown, he just didnt do anything with them
[quote comment=”327668″][quote comment=”327660″]Mania, please dont erase my latest matt lindland post. Its information that all UFC fans have to be made aware of.
Thanks,
John[/quote]
John, if there is some big news on Linland I wanna hear about it, where did you attempt to post it, on this thread right here?
If Mania for some reason or another doesnt let it threw lemme know and e’mail it to me.[/quote]
U got it!
Anomaly: The Lindland news was posted 2 spots before your post addressing me…check it out. The post starts with…
My Beef with Dana White… All I can say is, forget seeing Lidland in the Octagon.
[quote comment=”327849″][quote comment=”327301″]jake o’brien is a lame fighter, all he did against herring was form tackle herring like a football player every chance he got and that was all he did. no ground and pound even. it sucks that a fighter can get points that way, he beat herring on points but by no means did he beat up heath herring, just beat him on cowards points[/quote]
thank you now i don’t have 2 say anything.[/quote]
Once again, the UFC has to adjust its scoring system. No points should be awarded for a takedown if the fighter doesnt do anything with the top position. I would award points to the fighter who got taken down and fought his way up to his feet with out incurring any damage. PRIDE scoring system was a much better way of judging MMA IMO. IF the UFC judges could adopt the PRIDE scoring system and judge the fights with some integrity, thenm I feel it would be a better scoring system for the UFC, then the one currently in place.
I think o’brien will have a hard time getting arlovski down, he won’t be like herring, arlovski is very athletic and fast, it should be a very interesting fight.
[quote comment=”328919″]Anomaly: The Lindland news was posted 2 spots before your post addressing me…check it out. The post starts with…
My Beef with Dana White… All I can say is, forget seeing Lidland in the Octagon.[/quote]
This is terrible news, Linland did great agaisnt Rampage, and not bad at all agasint Fedor given the size diff, I would love to see him mix it up with Hendo in a grappling WAR, that is my dream, thoughts on whos greco Roman wrestling is superior?
I would have to say Linland’s slightly, as his loss to Rampage was slightly more controversial than Hendo’s. But Hendo’s striking is so much better in an MMA bout it could more than even things out.
[quote comment=”327287″][quote comment=”327278″]I think AA will come out looking for blood. Hey, it’s his last fight with the UFC, so he’s going to want to put on a dramatic, quick show. Then give Dana the finger as he leaves the cage.[/quote]
Yeah, we think that in any of his fights.. than we have three rounds of nothing..[/quote]
–which one of his many fights are you refering to? Most ive seen have been exciting in my opinion. it sounds you are basing your opinion only on the last couple of fights… werdum makes others boring because of style. also, the maniac wasnt making it exciting either since he didnt want to go in there and throw punches with him. So dont just blame AA, the fighters and their styles make it what it is…
i keep saying throw him some strikers and u ll b eating ur comments in no time about AA. Dana white is not stupid, he doesnt want to pay him so hes doing everything he can to not see AA succeed, hence the style of fighters he has been getting as of recently, although he has been beating all of them
[quote comment=”329577″][quote comment=”328919″]Anomaly: The Lindland news was posted 2 spots before your post addressing me…check it out. The post starts with…
My Beef with Dana White… All I can say is, forget seeing Lidland in the Octagon.[/quote]
This is terrible news, Linland did great agaisnt Rampage, and not bad at all agasint Fedor given the size diff, I would love to see him mix it up with Hendo in a grappling WAR, that is my dream, thoughts on whos greco Roman wrestling is superior?
I would have to say Linland’s slightly, as his loss to Rampage was slightly more controversial than Hendo’s. But Hendo’s striking is so much better in an MMA bout it could more than even things out.[/quote]
Lindland would have done a lot better against fedor if fedor hadn’t illegally grabbed onto the ropes and used them to turn the takedown around. if he hadn’t done that, lindland would have been on top and not the other way around.
In case some people didnt see the O brian , Herrin fight, I’ll recap because I think O bRian did a great job, against a great fighter and doesnt deserve such a bad rap for being a lay and pray guy. If you wanna accuse someone of that go pick on the HUghes, ortiz’, or Sherks who get one take down a round and then lay in side control or stay in the guys full gaurd the rest of the round, as you can see from this recap, O brian stayed more then busy.
Round 1-(IM only going to recap what O Brian did since Herring did nothing except throw the left jab when he wasnt even close, and a few sloppy high kicks)Obrian was also feeding Herring shots the whole time, and although they could have been better, did manage to bloody Herrings face up by the second round- Round 1-Take down, pass to side control,mount, takes back,attempts choke, stand up, take down to side control
Round 2 take down quickly to mount gets back, mounts, take down, gets back, gets mount
Round 3-take down, to mount, reversal, side control, elbows, gets back, gets take down to mount reversal, side control, mount.
Damn, you guys are rough. The kid is 23 and has a hell of a record as a world class wrestler. Last I heard, this was called Mixed martial arts - If I wanna see boxing I will go to a f**(ing boxing match. I would love to see any of you take down Herring - guarantee you would wet yourself just stepping in the ring. Give the kid a break! I think the fight will be much better than anyone thinks - yes it may be a boring fight - but let the kid develop he has to start somewhere. Go O’Brien kick his ass!