Fight Kimbo Slice!

Damn these different organizations!!!!

yea kimbooo sliceeeeeeeee

I think that Eddie Sanchez would be a good opponent for him. After a good showing by Sanchez in his last fight I’m sure he wants a big name guy to go against, and Brock would definitely provide a high profile fight. Plus it would give Brock a good opportunity to show off his ground and pound.

the heavyweight division is so weak right now eddie sanchez is literally the only person i can think of

the loser out of heath herring and kongo should fight him.

put him in there with sylvia, let him beat his ass, and let sylvia go and never bring his boring ass back.

Christian Wellisch may be a bad idea… he may get a slick sub… he obviously isn’t as good as mir… but still he has good enough subs to get one if mir gets too relaxed

Lesnar should fight Brandon Vera or Tim Sylvia. My money’s on brock over both those guys.

Mania: Was it moved to June 7 ?!?!?!?!?!

He should fight Herring, herring’s got some what of a name out there even though i see him as one of the most pathetic fighters in the world but I’d love to see Brock kick the shit out of him. Theres no way herring would be able to get up form his ground and pound cuz he sucks ass on the ground

Give Brock Jake O’Brien if he can get past Arlovski.

[quote comment=”320159″]the loser out of heath herring and kongo should fight him.[/quote]

I think this is the best possible match-up for him. Not quite contender level but close enough for him to build off of.

Even as inexperienced as he is, I think he destroys any top striker. Eddie Sanchez? Tim Sylvia? Antoni Hardonk? I think it wouldn’t even be close. He’s WAY TOO POWERFUL for them.

So, I wouldn’t be suprised if the UFC sets him up with someone with submission skills again like a Gonzaga…so he feels more pressure.

Though once Lesnar perfects his submission skills (which he’s doing right now for sure) watch the f— out!!!

What about that new signee, Shane Carwin? He’s relatively inexperienced in MMA, big strong guy with a lot of wrestling background. Perfect for Brock!

I think Brandon Vera should square off with Eddie Sanchez.

[quote comment=”320166″]Mania: Was it moved to June 7 ?!?!?!?!?![/quote]

According to MMAWeekly, yes.

Mir is giving himself WAY too much credit. True, he won, but he clinched victory from the jaws of defeat.

i vote herring

[quote comment=”320188″]Mir is giving himself WAY too much credit. True, he won, but he clinched victory from the jaws of defeat.[/quote]

Seriously give him a little more training and he runs through Mir.

I would of liked to have seen him vs Cro Cop but thats not happening anytime soon so I’d have to go with Jake O. win or lose vs AA that should be an easy win for brock. Jake cant LnP with brock.

he is actually going to fight christian wellisch a friend told me.

I think elitexc would be a good idea for his career. He can spend five years over there building up his record, then fight for the belt, and come into the ufc at age 37 to prove he’s awesome.

On a more serious note, i say Brandon Vera or Heath Herring

Scooby - a win is a win mate and that fight went down as most educated people expected it to. Mir was extremely active and never gave up so don’t take anything away from him.

All you guys who think Lesnar can beat the like of Tim Sylvia, Arlovki etc are kidding yourself. These guys are knock out artists who can avoid the take down.

I can not wait to see Lesnar get hit for the first time - can you imagine the thud around the stadium when that gorilla hits the canvas.

Brock Lesnar VS Tim Sylvia would be very entertaining!

Vera would kill Lesnar!

uhmmm jake o brian anyone? top level wrestlers. win or lose for jake, that might be the next fight we see.

Yea i don’t know tha heavyweight division is prtty weak right now i think brocks best bet is to try and fight Tim Sylvia cause tim was talkin alot of shit about brock saying that he deserves to get paid more then him cause he’s a better fighter. So if they did fight we would really see whos tha better fighter.

[quote comment=”320192″][quote comment=”320188″]Mir is giving himself WAY too much credit. True, he won, but he clinched victory from the jaws of defeat.[/quote]

Seriously give him a little more training and he runs through Mir.

I would of liked to have seen him vs Cro Cop but thats not happening anytime soon so I’d have to go with Jake O. win or lose vs AA that should be an easy win for brock. Jake cant LnP with brock.[/quote]
dont bet to much on that jake has great take down in fact i think he beats double a comeing up

[quote comment=”320152″]yea kimbooo sliceeeeeeeee[/quote]
[quote comment=”320152″]yea kimbooo sliceeeeeeeee[/quote]
if i thought u were bein serious id get sick,,,kimbo is nuthin but a young tank a complete joke of mma,,,i have more respect for lesnar then a joke like kimbo

I think that they’re gonna put him up against Sanchez and mainly because he’s a striker. I think that stylistically thats the best match up for him. I also wouldn’t be surprised if they match Brock up with someone who is still relatively inexperienced.

Having Brock fight Brandon Vera would make sense from the UFC’s standpoint because it might “prove” to Vera that he’s too small to compete with the larger HW fighters.

[quote comment=”320252″]uhmmm jake o brian anyone? top level wrestlers. win or lose for jake, that might be the next fight we see.[/quote]
I agree, give him some warmup matches to go a few rounds, then face Vera, or maybe try Allesio Silva? The one Kongo beat last year prior to Cro Cop. Is Brad Imes still with UFC?

Brock Lesnar vs. Tim Sylvia
Frank Mir vs. Minotauro Noguiera

swapping Mir and Sylvia ( although Mir probably doesn’t deserve a title shot quite yet) would be an exciting way to set up UFC 85, switching the fighters around from UFC 81. Especially with Mir and Noguiera, the two best BJJ guys in the heavyweight division, going at it.

I’ve been saying Sanchez since Lesnar lost pretty much, and I still say that should be his next fight.

If Kimbo fights Brock, the only thing left of Kimbo will be a bloody spot on the mat. Eddie Sanchez would be a good for Brock to get into the winning track. Mir is great but I think he was lucky - He telegraphed that knee bar and only a fighter with limited jiu-jitsu experience would get caught (like Brock). Mir was a mess after that fight; he looked like he been in a train wreck. Brock is way to powerful. If he gets some strong jiu-jitsu training he will be REAL tough and will be knocking some folks into tomorrow.

[quote comment=”320182″][quote comment=”320166″]Mania: Was it moved to June 7 ?!?!?!?!?![/quote]

According to MMAWeekly, yes.[/quote]

Was it originally scheduled for the 14th? I am “guessing” they made the move to accomodate Spike TV. The Ultimate Fighter Finale’ is June 21st and I doubt Spike would want weekend, back to back, UFC events. I also doubt UFC would do 2 PPVs 2 weeks apart again(even though they just did) To me this “rumor” makes sense and if i was a betting man i would say UFC 85 will be on Spike.

Kongo would be perfect for him, no real ground defence.

Loser of Cheick Kongo v. Heath Herring, or Eddie Sanchez.

he should get to fight cheik kongo!!!!!

Tim Sylvia…. Lesnar should fight Sylvia… I think he’ll have a much easier time taking him down than Couture did.. I don’t believe he’ll get caught with a punch.

T. SYLVIA VS LESNAR

Let Brock fight a new up and comer…Whos new coming in?..Anyone? This division is hurting for some talent…The UFC is in deep shit with this one..forsure..how they gonna fix this one?…damn, it’s all hitting me so hard…

KIMBOOOOOOO

[quote comment=”320318″]Kongo would be perfect for him, no real ground defence.[/quote]

If Kongo can get by Heath Herring (and if Heath stands with him I think he will) then he should fight a top contender. If he wins I think Kongo should get Tim Sylvia, unless they give Sylvia and Mir a rematch.

I think Brock would kill anybody without an extensive groundgame, and he would do it very fast. Elite and UFC should pit these two newcomers together, “Battle of the circus acts” Brock Vs. Kimbo.
Nah really I have alot of respect for Brock, he’s stopped talkin crap and wants to get in there with the big dogs, give him BJJ defense and he is the Matt Hughes of the HW, with a possible Matt Hughes like reign, I don’t see why not, he is very very similar.

I think he would kill Gonzaga with GG’s tendancy to curl up the minute expiriancing GnP, but at the same time GG would def work him enough to give Lesnar more expirancing points agaisnt BJJ.

Gabrial Vs. Lesnar - despite what Mir and others have concluded already.

[quote comment=”320152″]yea kimbooo sliceeeeeeeee[/quote]

For sure, My first pick would be Kimbo!
but in the UFC….Eddie Sanchez or Assuerio Silva, maybe, MAYBE, Kongo.

I say the UFC needs to sign some HW! They had a very deep HW division now that Corture, Sylvia and arlovski contemplating leaving. Cro Cop leaving for the moment over to Dream. 4 top HW that could no longer be in the UFC in the next 6 months. With that the UFC needs to sign some big name HW on the free agent market. Barnett is the only one that comes to my mind. With that said I say Lesnar needs to fight Hardonk, Sanchez, Palelei, or McCully.

[quote comment=”320311″][quote comment=”320182″][quote comment=”320166″]Mania: Was it moved to June 7 ?!?!?!?!?![/quote]

According to MMAWeekly, yes.[/quote]

Was it originally scheduled for the 14th? I am “guessing” they made the move to accomodate Spike TV. The Ultimate Fighter Finale’ is June 21st and I doubt Spike would want weekend, back to back, UFC events. I also doubt UFC would do 2 PPVs 2 weeks apart again(even though they just did) To me this “rumor” makes sense and if i was a betting man i would say UFC 85 will be on Spike.[/quote]

I hope it is on the seventh cause I’m gonna be there crapping my pants if it is. If it’s on the fourteenth I’ll be at home and the pantcrapping will be much more mild.

Brock should fight:

A: Eddie Sanchez

B: Antoni Hardonk

C: Colin Robertson (funny fight - Lesnar would crush)

D: Justin McCully (another wrestler/GnP artist - could be good)

I think any of these match ups would be good.

After a couple of fights I think that Brock would be ready for someone like Sylvia… I would love to see him win too!

[quote comment=”320218″]Scooby - a win is a win mate and that fight went down as most educated people expected it to. Mir was extremely active and never gave up so don’t take anything away from him.

All you guys who think Lesnar can beat the like of Tim Sylvia, Arlovki etc are kidding yourself. These guys are knock out artists who can avoid the take down.

I can not wait to see Lesnar get hit for the first time - can you imagine the thud around the stadium when that gorilla hits the canvas.[/quote]

if you really think tim sylvia can stop the takedown of a 280 punds ncaa champion you are crazy!!!

they should put him into some serious grappling tournament to improve his bjj

[quote comment=”320447″]Brock should fight:

A: Eddie Sanchez

B: Antoni Hardonk

C: Colin Robertson (funny fight - Lesnar would crush)

D: Justin McCully (another wrestler/GnP artist - could be good)

I think any of these match ups would be good.

After a couple of fights I think that Brock would be ready for someone like Sylvia… I would love to see him win too![/quote]

I think it would be a mockery to have Brock roll over one of those guys. Brock can beat Tim; Brock deserves Tim. Sylvia has lost his last two, Brock did better against Mir, who they both lost to, and Brock would be the favorite so I don’t want to hear that he’s not ready.

[quote comment=”320160″]put him in there with sylvia, let him beat his ass, and let sylvia go and never bring his boring ass back.[/quote]

Lay off Timmy, he fought well against Nog and was very close to pulling off a massive win.

[quote comment=”320229″]Vera would kill Lesnar![/quote]

You must be joking? Lesnar would use Vera as a toothpick.

Brock Lenars next fight should have been Andre The Pitbull that way he can leave the UFC a beat up man.Lesnar wouldn’t get submitted after Mir locked him up. Tim Sylvia is prob the best match-up but they r throwing punks at him next.

im pretty sure lesnar doesnt fit in the ufc - he got his ass handed to him in the 1st round for fooks sakes! against a b-list fighter. The only fight he will win is against the bum who fought sanchez, soa or whatever his name is. If lesnar looses his next fight hes out of the ufc - just like crocop, they cant afford to pay him top dollar for losing again and again

[quote comment=”320451″][quote comment=”320218″]Scooby - a win is a win mate and that fight went down as most educated people expected it to. Mir was extremely active and never gave up so don’t take anything away from him.

All you guys who think Lesnar can beat the like of Tim Sylvia, Arlovki etc are kidding yourself. These guys are knock out artists who can avoid the take down.

I can not wait to see Lesnar get hit for the first time - can you imagine the thud around the stadium when that gorilla hits the canvas.[/quote]

if you really think tim sylvia can stop the takedown of a 280 punds ncaa champion you are crazy!!![/quote]

of course he can - his webbed feet will keep him standing lol

[quote comment=”320485″][quote comment=”320229″]Vera would kill Lesnar![/quote]

You must be joking? Lesnar would use Vera as a toothpick.[/quote]
No way Vera would destroy Lesnar. he’s extremely good in BJJ and Muay Tia so even if lesnar takes him down it would end much the same way that the mir fight ended.

Probably be Lesnar vs that Pao de Palo guy that Sanchez fought l ast, i know I spelled his name wrong, but it’s a weird name.

Id like to see Tim sylvia as his next opponent as well, he s coming off a loss too.

Doesn’t make sense having Brock fight in the UK… NOBODY in England likes that fake wrestling shit!!! NOBODY!!!! So NOBODY knows him over here… I had NEVER heard of Brock until he fought Mir. I was excited about the fight, but soley because of all the hype and me wanting to see a Fake Wrestler get beat the fook up!

After seeing that fight I am a Lesnar fan!! But still not well known enough in Engladn/UK to be drawing crowds like he would in the US.

Most pple over here don’t even know the name of the sport… i.e. they have no idea what MMA is, most pple think that there is just UFC and that’s what MMA is called. And 99.9% of pple in UK will have never heard of the WEC or EliteXC etc.

Look guys, In this order.

Brock would destroy the following…
Cro-cop
Tank Abbot
The big Oriental guy Fedor beat???
KONGO

Would be a speed bump at best…
Vera
Tim Silvia
Herring
Arlovski
Werdum
Slice

Could have some serious problems with…
Gonzaga
Mir
NOG
Randy C.
Fedor

I think its a mistake for him to take anyone that is a speed bump cause things happen… He needs a bit more experience.

Did the ufc match him vs mir to give him title shot or to knock him down a peg so they can offer the low $$$ but still have the drawing power. There were big pay offs if he would have won (title match I bet) and when he lost (chalk it up to needing experience). Not much risk…

I think matching him vs the smaller names not on the list is a big mistake also cause again things happen… and he could get cut and get an L and be that much less marketable. And feeding him those guys arnt really going to get him anywhere ont he ladder to a title.

Kongo is obviously the victim of choice…

Go Grappler!!!

[quote comment=”320548″]Doesn’t make sense having Brock fight in the UK… NOBODY in England likes that fake wrestling shit!!! NOBODY!!!! So NOBODY knows him over here… I had NEVER heard of Brock until he fought Mir. I was excited about the fight, but soley because of all the hype and me wanting to see a Fake Wrestler get beat the fook up!

After seeing that fight I am a Lesnar fan!! But still not well known enough in Engladn/UK to be drawing crowds like he would in the US.

Most pple over here don’t even know the name of the sport… i.e. they have no idea what MMA is, most pple think that there is just UFC and that’s what MMA is called. And 99.9% of pple in UK will have never heard of the WEC or EliteXC etc.[/quote]
Liddell will be on UFC 85…so there’s no problem as far as marketing that card goes. Good thing for Brock if nobody follows WWE in the UK. they’re gonna be introduced to him as a legit MMA fighter.

again, no problem.

Facing Vera would make sense. Both coming off losses. It would be a difficult fight for Vera since Lesnar would just take him down and ground n pound his ass. Silvia maybe against Gonzaga or Sanchez. Verdum against Mir next? winner faces NOG. As for the winner of Kongo and Herring I’m not so sure yet. I would say AA or O’Brien, but looks like AA is on his way out of the UFC.

A fight with Gonzaga would be great with the two being real strong fighters. But I think its still early getting brock in there with good BJJ fighter. Then again Gonzaga is on a two fight losing streak so it could be a good opportunity for Brock.

I think a fight with Eddie Sanchez would be a better match up thoug if they want to preserve Brock for the distant future.

[quote comment=”320160″]put him in there with sylvia, let him beat his ass, and let sylvia go and never bring his boring ass back.[/quote]

AMEN

[quote comment=”320218″]Scooby - a win is a win mate and that fight went down as most educated people expected it to. Mir was extremely active and never gave up so don’t take anything away from him.

All you guys who think Lesnar can beat the like of Tim Sylvia, Arlovki etc are kidding yourself. These guys are knock out artists who can avoid the take down.

I can not wait to see Lesnar get hit for the first time - can you imagine the thud around the stadium when that gorilla hits the canvas.[/quote]

Mir won, no one can take that away from him. But he talks about it like it was never in any doubt. And he speaks as if it forever settles the question of who is the better fighter.

In this same vein, there seems to be many people who think likewise (i.e., that having fought, the issue of who is best is beyond question). I disagree with this. I think the sport implicitly recognizes that a question of who is best can take a couple of fights to determine, hence rematches.

Does anyone seriously believe that Serra is better than GSP?

I think Eddie Sanchez would be a good opponent, maybe not a top name, but Brock needs to earn a top name fighter. If the UFC feeds him to a top 10 fighter too quick, his career in MMA will be over before it begins. Lets remember, he is still a n00b in the sport.

I say let him beat up Eddie Sanchez….He was acting all cocky after beating Sao Paleleli who wasnt even fighting back. A nice Ground n Pounding by Lesner should snap him back to reality real fast.

Mania, thanks for passing on that Verra vs. Werdum rumor, I didnt hear anything about that one. I really would like Werdum to get another win against a top opponent before fighting for the title which Dana previously indicated.

Werdum did the best possible thing for his career by moving to Chute Box and it already paid dividends….in the fight against Gonzaga. If Werdum sticks with Chute Box and keeps improving his muy tai…he will be very Dangerous in the future.

Verra is a perfect opponent to see how much Werdum’s striking has really improved. If he can hang with Verra’s striking, then everyone needs to watch out because on the ground he is TOP NOTCH! This is also a great opportunity for Verra. He gets to try to rebound against a title contender(werdum) who isnt much bigger then Verra. This would be an amazing fight and I really hope that it happens.

Mania, do you know how serious this Verra vs. Werdum news is?

[quote comment=”320606″][quote comment=”320218″]Scooby - a win is a win mate and that fight went down as most educated people expected it to. Mir was extremely active and never gave up so don’t take anything away from him.

All you guys who think Lesnar can beat the like of Tim Sylvia, Arlovki etc are kidding yourself. These guys are knock out artists who can avoid the take down.

I can not wait to see Lesnar get hit for the first time - can you imagine the thud around the stadium when that gorilla hits the canvas.[/quote]

Mir won, no one can take that away from him. But he talks about it like it was never in any doubt. And he speaks as if it forever settles the question of who is the better fighter.

In this same vein, there seems to be many people who think likewise (i.e., that having fought, the issue of who is best is beyond question). I disagree with this. I think the sport implicitly recognizes that a question of who is best can take a couple of fights to determine, hence rematches.

Does anyone seriously believe that Serra is better than GSP?[/quote]

if your given a chance, an opportunity to prove your better and then you lose - your just not as good as you thought. I truly believe serra is a better fighter than gsp, thats why i won big wedge from there last fight, serra was given the chance and he pounced on it, just like lesnar did, but lesnar proved to not be so good - as he thought.

[quote comment=”320188″]Mir is giving himself WAY too much credit. True, he won, but he clinched victory from the jaws of defeat.[/quote]

That is What MMA is about. As soon as you think you are winning or lossing bam you are getting your hand raised or waking up from being put to sleep. There are very few fighters in the current schemes of things that you can give a definitive advantage to. The skill sets are so high now that upset are no longer really upsets. It is more of who was the better fighter that night. This last year (2007) should have made that point clear. Do not get me wrong once Brock learns to defend the BJJ and not think strength will always beat leverage, he is and will be an amazing HW who will hold the gold for a long time. As of now he is still to green.

Also I do not think you guys give Sylvia enough credit. He has an amazing sprawl and usually is not controlled on the ground the way NOG did. Nog is the premier submission HW and one of the top sub specialts in MMA. Sylvia would still be to much trouble for Brock and Verra is nowhere near strong enough to handle Brock. He is a samll HW as it is(and that is weighing in with the Twinkies in his mouth and snickers in his pocket. Brock would crush Verra. Jake O’Brian I think is a good call. Strong wrestler, with good ground-n-pound, or even Cheick Kongo decent guard and a big and solid, super muscular 6′ 4″. Just my 2 cents…Feel free to throw the change back at me….

he should fight Danny Abaddy

Brock Vs Jens Pulver!

Ok….

Brock Vs Kongo
or
Brock Vs Gonzaga The one kick wonder

Anyone who says Lesnar would walk through CroCop or Arlovski is out of their minds. CroCop will be back in the UFC with a renewed confidence in about a year. Let’s not forget the man we’re talking about here. And Arlovski is still a heavyweight title status fighter. Lesnar simply doesn’t have the experience to fight either of those two. He would get murdered.

[quote comment=”320557″]Look guys, In this order.

Brock would destroy the following…
Cro-cop
Tank Abbot
The big Oriental guy Fedor beat???
KONGO

Would be a speed bump at best…
Vera
Tim Silvia
Herring
Arlovski
Werdum
Slice

Could have some serious problems with…
Gonzaga
Mir
NOG
Randy C.
Fedor

I think you should have WErdum with Gonzaga and Mir. He is just as good and slick off of his back as Gonzaga or Mir.

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[quote comment=”320487″]im pretty sure lesnar doesnt fit in the ufc - he got his ass handed to him in the 1st round for fooks sakes! against a b-list fighter. The only fight he will win is against the bum who fought sanchez, soa or whatever his name is. If lesnar looses his next fight hes out of the ufc - just like crocop, they cant afford to pay him top dollar for losing again and again[/quote]

? Mir is a former Champ. Most of his fights dont make it out of the 1st round because he grabs a limb, doesn’t let go and keep trying to break it. B-list fighter? Check your head. And Mir, the former champ, stated he wasn’t winning that fight untill he pulled off that knee bar. So Lesnor didn’t get his ass handed to him at all. I think Brock did pretty well considering who he was fighting. If Brock can develop some submission defence he will be a contendor.

Antoni Hardonk would be a perfect fir for Brock Lesnar because the guy has zero HEART. His will to win a fight gets taken away from him within the first 2 minutes of round 1. Justin McNulty is indeed a can but there is a chance he could catch Lesnar in a freak occurance known as a triangle. That would be bad for business. You could through Colin Robinson in there as well who may as well be Lenny from Mice & Men.

1. Hardonk
2. Robinson

[quote comment=”320548″]Doesn’t make sense having Brock fight in the UK… NOBODY in England likes that fake wrestling shit!!! NOBODY!!!! So NOBODY knows him over here… I had NEVER heard of Brock until he fought Mir. I was excited about the fight, but soley because of all the hype and me wanting to see a Fake Wrestler get beat the fook up!

After seeing that fight I am a Lesnar fan!! But still not well known enough in Engladn/UK to be drawing crowds like he would in the US.

Most pple over here don’t even know the name of the sport… i.e. they have no idea what MMA is, most pple think that there is just UFC and that’s what MMA is called. And 99.9% of pple in UK will have never heard of the WEC or EliteXC etc.[/quote]

are you joking? the WWE is almost as big in the UK as it is in the US. the WWE sells out every stadium they appear in over in the UK. they filled up wembley stadium back in the early 90s.

I say Brock starts at the bottem fighting guy’s like Justin Eilers, Scott Junk, Antoni Hardonk,Wes Sims to gain some experience. Then once he perfects his training and gets some confidence in the cage then he should fight guys like Kongo, Hering, Arlovski and Syliva

I personally want the rematch more than any other fight, all Brock had to do was take 2 steps back when he stood up. Mir is not the Mir of old and that leg lock was his ONLY chance.

i know thats not happening….. my vote is for Herring, Obrien, or Kongo.

[quote comment=”320570″][quote comment=”320548″]Doesn’t make