chuck is gonna lose. whip his ass shogun!!!!!!

If the shogun that shows up is the one we saw against forrest than for sure chuck as an advantage..

chuck’s is the Man………..but wholy cow what the hell is he thinking………..he lost 2 in a row he should have to have another win after he beats shogun to get the title….be realistic here….now i,’m not here to compare apples and oranges but Chuck if this were boxing it would take a couple years to get the title shot again…..Dana is doing u a favor …….

Chuck is right, he should have had to have two wins in a row for a title shot. IF he hadn’t lost Jardine. Chuck can’t blame anyone but himself for having to work hard for a shot. Just imagine what Jardine is thinking, he beats Chuck and Forest and still doesn’t get a shot. By beating Wanderlei, Chuck is on his way to proving he’s the real deal. The competition in the LHW division is stiff as hell right now, much more than it was when Chuck was the champ. It’s going to take a lot of talent for someone to hold on to the belt for as long as Chuck did.

It goin to be a crazy fight because the both have something to prove. Shogun wants to avenge his loss, and Chuck wants the title back. I think we are goin to see the Shogun of old pride in this fight so, they both are goin to come out swinging. Let’s just hope the rest of card is just as good as this fight.

Chuck, STFU. you lost two fights in a row, one of them to kieth jardine for gods sake. Your win over silva was a “START” in the right direction to “EARN” the right for a title shot. You would have an argument if you might have possibly beat jardine but come on, you lost two in a row, win one fight and you want a title shot? LOL

Pride better than the UFC, Chuck? Let’s see….

HW champ- Pride fighter
LHW champ- Pride fighter
MW champ- Pride fighter

I think it’s working exactly as it should for Chuck. He lost 2 …so now he needs to win 2 against legit competition. I have no problem at all with Chuck getting the winner of Rampage vs Forrest if he gets past Shogun.

The real loser in the equation is Jardine. If Jardine were flashier (more marketable) he would not be getting shoved aside right now. It’s an unfortunate fact in the UFC that flash equals cash and Jardine is skilled but “flashless”.

Chuck wants an immediate title shot even after losing two of his last three fights. Who the hell does he think he is, Randy Couture?

Since when do people who get beat up badly two times against someone deserve a 3rd fight. To make a triology you have to win one of the first two. Chuck is delusional if he thinks he can beat rampage.

Rampage already said that he aint fighting chuck no more cuz he already beat em twice, rampage is in a lose lose situation so i doubt he’ll even take this fight if he’s still the champ….

p.s. who is keith jardines agaent or representative i mean they SUCK, this guys beaten Forrest and Chuck and still can’t get a decent fight cuz his ppl aren’t doing the right things for him and he’s not talking himself, they need to push for fights more instead of sitting back, otherwise he aint goin far in this business and will keep getting fed…

Technically:

HW - UFC
Interim HW - Pride
LHW - Pride
MW - Pride
WW - UFC
Interim WW - UFC
Lightweight - UFC

he really showed rampage how much better the ufc is

He must have been drunk when he said that, if not then he is getting senile with old age. He thinks that after loosing 2 fight in a row, he beat wanderlei, and he now should be fighting for the title instead of fighting Shogun….Has he lost his damn mins?

I hope Shogun destroys him!

Also, I hear that a fight between Jardine vs. Wanderlei for UFC 84 in May will be announced this week. This doesnt come from my usually reliable source, so we will have to wait and see if I am right. I do hear that we will hear an announcemnet about that card, later this week. I guess we will all have to stay tuned.

Chuck lost two straight against Rampage and Jardine, and he defeats Silva who was also on a two fight losing streak and he thought he deserved the title? What a joke. Rashad Evans deserves a title shot over Chuck Liddell right now.

But Chuck does get what he wants considering him and Dana are like two lovers sitting inside a treehouse. It is pretty sickening.

Could Rickson Gracie vs Sakuraba be in the works?

New Rickson Interview! Talks Sakuraba And Much More
Translation by:
MMA Europe website (from Portuguese)

Are you ready for your last fight?
I am very optimistic that it’ll happen this year… perhaps it will really be the last fight. In my heart, I have nothing to prove to anyone. I confess that the biggest motivation is to bring a comfort for my children, until today I do not have conditions.

No? Don’t you have a considerable bank account?
People cannot think thus. The conquests of the past don’t matter. If you have the chance to kill an enormous buffalo… I feel a hunter, a supplier for my family. I could not refuse a possibility of these.

Then it will be a lot of cash…
It will… I will put my “donkey in the shade” (meaning his undefeated record and prestige)…

How much will you be paid?
I cannot say it. Contractual issue, confidential.

Will it be in Japan?
Yes. It is where the best stage is. It’s on the work, but it’s not signed yet, I only keep my fingers crossed.

You are worshipped in Japan, right?
I cannot walk in the street in Japan. It is very difficult. They are crazy about martial arts, for the way of the warrior. They had been able to live and experience, through my experience, what they had in theory through the Musashi, the great warriors. Today, in Japan, I represent the modern samurai, and I am a reference for many people.

This last fight will be against Sakuraba?
I do not know… Speculation! For the time being I cannot guarantee, but it will be closed soon. I know that many people would like to fight with me to place my head in a wall. Many people speak of Sakuraba, the Gracie killer, right? If I have the chance to get him, it’ll be excellent.

I would love to see Sakuraba defeat Rickson “put your money where your mouth is” Gracie.

I didn’t think I needed two wins in a row to get a title shot.

Maybe he was talking about before he lost to Jardine???

[quote comment=”317913″]Rampage already said that he aint fighting chuck no more cuz he already beat em twice, rampage is in a lose lose situation so i doubt he’ll even take this fight if he’s still the champ….

p.s. who is keith jardines agaent or representative i mean they SUCK, this guys beaten Forrest and Chuck and still can’t get a decent fight cuz his ppl aren’t doing the right things for him and he’s not talking himself, they need to push for fights more instead of sitting back, otherwise he aint goin far in this business and will keep getting fed…[/quote]
you have a point there but, i highly doubt Rampage wouldnt take the fight he doesnt have an option in this maybe the first time around but lets say Chuck beats Shogun and Rampage beats Forrest, then chuck rests so does rampage when offered the fight i guess Rampage can say no but, what happens if chuck then goes and avenges his loss to jardine and rampage still doesnt want to fight him ok well then chuck goes and beats forrest and machida, etc… Rampage will have to take the fight sooner or later if Chuck is legitametly the #1 contender if not ppl that hate on chuck now will start backing himup and calling rampage a chickenshit, if it makes sense its also like the FRanklin , Silva situtation Silva TKOd Franklin twice and said he has no desire of fighting him no more well what if Franklin beats Lutter then Marquardt, Almeida, etc… what if he cleans out the division, dude i think it would be inebitable that there would be a Franklin-Silva 3

nevermmind I read the article….I’m a huge Chuck fan, but what was he smoking?

If Jardine vs. Wanderlei happens….I have a feeling that the winner of that fight will get 1st crack at the winner of rampage/Forrest. Therefore I believe that the winner of Chuck vs. Shogun will then face Machida and the winner of that fight will have a shot at the title.

Babalu wrote on his website this past weekend that Tito was pulling out of the Machida match up. Has anyone heard anything to confirm this claim? I wouldnt be too shocked if Tito did pull out of the Machida fight. Tito did really want to fight Machida anyway.

well if jardine beats silva he should get the next shot it would only be fair

[quote comment=”317914″]Technically:

HW - UFC
Interim HW - Pride
LHW - Pride
MW - Pride
WW - UFC
Interim WW - UFC
Lightweight - UFC[/quote]

MW ya he was a pride fighter but he came over to the ufc well before pride closed down

[quote comment=”317925″]Chuck lost two straight against Rampage and Jardine, and he defeats Silva who was also on a two fight losing streak and he thought he deserved the title? What a joke. Rashad Evans deserves a title shot over Chuck Liddell right now.

But Chuck does get what he wants considering him and Dana are like two lovers sitting inside a treehouse. It is pretty sickening.[/quote]

This is all true. Besides Chuck and Dana being butt buddies, the UFC has gotten away from giving title shots to the most deserving fighters and now title fights seem to only be awarded to the more marketable fighters. If the UFC ever wants to become a real sport, then this has to change!

San Antonio spurs are the most boring team in the NBA, but if they win all there playoff series, then they go to the finals and get the chance to become champion. The NBA is a real sport, championship games are based soley on Merit. If it was about marketing, the spurs would never have a chance at winning a title because nobody watches them. The UFC has gotten away from earning title shots and now they just try to find away to justify giving undeserving title shots to the most marketable fighters..It has to change.

I compare the Spurs to Machida….he is the most boring of the big guns at LHW, but he keeps wining, therefore he should be fighting for the title instead of marketable guys on 1 or 2 fight winning streaks fighting for the title. There are a handful of fighters at 205 lb that I would rather see fight for the title then Machida….But it shouldnt be about who we want to see…It should be about who deserves it and since all the other top competitors at best are riding a 2 fight wining streak…the title shot should go to Machida who is undefeated in the UFC.

LMAO@ Chuck believing he didn’t need to win two fights before a title shot. IMHO…he should have to fight Jardine after Shogun. I mean Rampage has DISMANTLED him twice already.

[quote comment=”317893″]Pride better than the UFC, Chuck? Let’s see….

HW champ- Pride fighter
LHW champ- Pride fighter
MW champ- Pride fighter[/quote]

HW Champ - UFC fighter (Randy)
LHW Champ - Pride fighter
MW Champ - Cage Rage / UFC / Pride / various other MMA assoc

I know its an old argument so for that i’m sorry but just making a point. I hate the Pride lovers who cling onto Silva…

[quote comment=”317962″]LMAO@ Chuck believing he didn’t need to win two fights before a title shot. IMHO…he should have to fight Jardine after Shogun. I mean Rampage has DISMANTLED him twice already.[/quote]

I think the UFC is choosing to ignore Liddell’s 1st loss to Rampage in Pride….What a joke!

I dont count Anderson as a pride fighter. He didnt make his name fighting in pride. Chuck is crazy even if he wins this fight i dont think he deserves a title shot. And if shogun wins i dont he deserves a shot at the title either. Jardine should be next in line if he wins.

Jardine doesn’t deserve a title shot yet because he got smashed out by Houston. Losing to a no name hurts you’re status more than a close decision over a fallen champion on his first fight back.

Griffin is getting a title shot because he wisely stepped up and butt raped Shogun who the entire MMA world thought was gonna cut to 185 and beat Fedor.

Chuck is just talking in an interview. He doesn’t really mean it when he say’s he deserves a title shot, it’s just promotion. Bashing out Shogun on the feet (which will happen if Shogun stands which his pride will make him do but his confidence will immediatly wane when he get’s hit by one from the outside that he won’t see) will give Chuck his title shot.

Rampage is smart enough to know winning 3 straight over any “good” fighter is a tough chore and his chances against a “great” fighter are slimmed down.

As far as title shot’s are concerned, they are becoming less important with all the great fighters and match ups.

Chuck vs. Wanderlei Two if they scheduled it in 8 weeks, would sell even more tickets than the last one.

Some fighters we just want to see fight.

If Jardine beats Silve it should be his turn.. I am not a fan of Jardine and I do like Chuck… But fairs fair! And if Chuck beats Shogun he should still have to face Jardine again (IF Jardine beats Wandi) for the title shot… or something like that.

I think what we NEED in the UFC is a 205lb 16 man GP Tournament…

A lightweight GP would be decent too!

[quote comment=”317886″]Chuck, STFU. you lost two fights in a row, one of them to kieth jardine for gods sake. Your win over silva was a “START” in the right direction to “EARN” the right for a title shot. You would have an argument if you might have possibly beat jardine but come on, you lost two in a row, win one fight and you want a title shot? LOL[/quote]
not to mention Siva was on a 2 fight oss also……lol…what the hell Eh?

finally all u people are seeing what im seeing

[quote comment=”317963″][quote comment=”317893″]Pride better than the UFC, Chuck? Let’s see….

HW champ- Pride fighter
LHW champ- Pride fighter
MW champ- Pride fighter[/quote]

HW Champ - UFC fighter (Randy)
LHW Champ - Pride fighter
MW Champ - Cage Rage / UFC / Pride / various other MMA assoc

I know its an old argument so for that i’m sorry but just making a point. I hate the Pride lovers who cling onto Silva…[/quote]

HW — Pride fighter (randy still holds that position technically, but if you’re running away from a fight you ain’t no champ)

LHW — Pride fighter (nothing to dispute here)

MW — Pride fighter (Anderson made his name in Pride, and the only person capable of taking it away from him is another Pride fighter, and even if you don’t count Anderson as a Pride fighter, he still was not UFC to begin with, so UFC still on the low here)

THE OTHER DIVISIONS> UFC (zuffa did not bring over any Pride fighters for these divisions).

At the end of the day, zuffa brought over Pride fighters from 3 divisions (HW, LHW and MW), Pride fighters currently hold the belt in each of those divisions, therefore Pride>UFC.

Now, I’m kind of tired with all the Pride vs UFC debates, and I usually don’t care because it’s the internet warriors that usually start this BS, but chuck should know better than to say something like that, he lost to a Pride fighter twice, how the hell does he want to show the UFC is better than Pride AGAIN???

[quote comment=”317988″]I think what we NEED in the UFC is a 205lb 16 man GP Tournament…

A lightweight GP would be decent too![/quote]

Dana hates tourneys. He wants to have complete control of the fights, instead of (go figure) the match-ups being determined by the fight results. I think he lost all hopes in tourneys when Rampage ruined a possible Wanderlei-Chuck fight in Pride.

[quote comment=”317982″]Jardine doesn’t deserve a title shot yet because he got smashed out by Houston. Losing to a no name hurts you’re status more than a close decision over a fallen champion on his first fight back.

Griffin is getting a title shot because he wisely stepped up and butt raped Shogun who the entire MMA world thought was gonna cut to 185 and beat Fedor.

Chuck is just talking in an interview. He doesn’t really mean it when he say’s he deserves a title shot, it’s just promotion. Bashing out Shogun on the feet (which will happen if Shogun stands which his pride will make him do but his confidence will immediatly wane when he get’s hit by one from the outside that he won’t see) will give Chuck his title shot.

Rampage is smart enough to know winning 3 straight over any “good” fighter is a tough chore and his chances against a “great” fighter are slimmed down.

As far as title shot’s are concerned, they are becoming less important with all the great fighters and match ups.

Chuck vs. Wanderlei Two if they scheduled it in 8 weeks, would sell even more tickets than the last one.

Some fighters we just want to see fight.[/quote]

I dont really get what you mean by “Everyone thought Shogun was going to cut to 185 and beat Fedor”
It really doesn’t make any sense because Fedor doesn’t fight at 185 - He is a heavyweight

Chuck needs to think about who took his belt, Rampage from Pride. Wanderlei should have finished him when he knocked him on his ass in the second round(not the time he slipped). Although I think Chuck is gonna beat Shogun, there is no logic in what he is saying about the Former Pride fighters and he will never beat Rampage nor could he ever beat Hendo IMO. Honestly I am kind of tired of the Pride is better or the UFC is better arguement. Pride is in the Past and from here on out it’s the UFC and if you want to argue about the past all of the time start up an MMAMANIACLASSIC web page and you guys can dwell on the past all day.

I cant wait to see shoguns response.

Chuck can’t beat Rampage. Rampage is to chuck as Chuck is to Tito. Rampage has Chuck’s #. I don’t know why he’s in a rush to get knocked out again.

[quote comment=”318015″][quote comment=”317982″]Jardine doesn’t deserve a title shot yet because he got smashed out by Houston. Losing to a no name hurts you’re status more than a close decision over a fallen champion on his first fight back.

Griffin is getting a title shot because he wisely stepped up and butt raped Shogun who the entire MMA world thought was gonna cut to 185 and beat Fedor.

Chuck is just talking in an interview. He doesn’t really mean it when he say’s he deserves a title shot, it’s just promotion. Bashing out Shogun on the feet (which will happen if Shogun stands which his pride will make him do but his confidence will immediatly wane when he get’s hit by one from the outside that he won’t see) will give Chuck his title shot.

Rampage is smart enough to know winning 3 straight over any “good” fighter is a tough chore and his chances against a “great” fighter are slimmed down.

As far as title shot’s are concerned, they are becoming less important with all the great fighters and match ups.

Chuck vs. Wanderlei Two if they scheduled it in 8 weeks, would sell even more tickets than the last one.

Some fighters we just want to see fight.[/quote]

I dont really get what you mean by “Everyone thought Shogun was going to cut to 185 and beat Fedor”
It really doesn’t make any sense because Fedor doesn’t fight at 185 - He is a heavyweight[/quote]

I think he meant shogun cutting weight to beat silva

Chucks not getting any younger and everyone would love to see the face of the orginization get one last shot. The one thing I liked about Chuck more than any other Champ is that he defended his title more often than any other fighter in the UFC. How many times has Rampage defended his title? I like Rampage and maybe Dana has something to do with this too but he should have at least had one more fight already. I think a champ should have to defend their belt at least twice a year.

I guess Chuck forgot about the loss to Jardine. I don’t blame him. I wouldn’t want to remember that either.

I don’t know about anyone else, but I have no urge to see Rampage/Chuck 3.

[quote comment=”318019″]Chuck can’t beat Rampage. Rampage is to chuck as Chuck is to Tito. Rampage has Chuck’s #. I don’t know why he’s in a rush to get knocked out again.[/quote]
That’s Ivy League caliber SAT work, my friend.

Chuck is really making no sense, what makes him think that he is any better than any other former champ trying to get their belft back. Rich Franklin had two fights before he fought Silva again, so did Tim Slyvia, Hughes and GSP were in unique situations. Matt had Ultimate Fighter and GSP was an injury replacement. Sean Sherk never lose so really usually when you lose your belft you have to fight and when 2 tune up fights before u get another fight. Believe me Chuck you don’t wanna see Rampage again. u couldn’t get by Jardine. Rampage would have ate him alive and thats what he is gonna do with you. Beat Shogun then maybe you can try pathetically to get the belt back. You probally won’t be champ again. sry bro. your time has passed.

chuck should never get another tite shot,ever!0-2 against page,no title agaist him

this is the deal chuck fighting shogun is another perfect fight for him and white knows that. if they really wanted to test chuck they should put him against henderson, but that want happen because henderson is a horrible match up for him, not too mention in my opinion the number 2 lhw. henderson is fight for anyone, in any division. this all about getting another rampage vs lidell match up.

[quote comment=”317963″][quote comment=”317893″]Pride better than the UFC, Chuck? Let’s see….

HW champ- Pride fighter
LHW champ- Pride fighter
MW champ- Pride fighter[/quote]

HW Champ - UFC fighter (Randy)
LHW Champ - Pride fighter
MW Champ - Cage Rage / UFC / Pride / various other MMA assoc

I know its an old argument so for that i’m sorry but just making a point. I hate the Pride lovers who cling onto Silva…[/quote]
thank you thats my point he spent more time in meca and cage rage and ufc then pride. technically also henderson and wandy guy metzger and murilo bustamante. mark coleman all fougth in ufc way before pride…but like i said i dont hang of an organization like this guy im an mma fan not ufc not pride..definetly not m-1 or dream!

I like Chuck, and always enjoy his fights. But if he were to have his way, we would see Rampage beat him over and over and over and over and……well you get it.

I read the first couple of posts wow, STILL in denial you Shogun fans, with nothing inspiring to say other than the pathetic, “if the Shogun that shows up is this one or that one” Have you not seen the latest pictures of Shogun? the videos? he literally has man boobs, big ones, has flab in his midsection, FLAB!, no toned musculature of any kind in his arms, why? because that is what happens when your body withdraws from steroids, FACE IT YOU R*TARDS!! This Shogun you call the best LWH, was manhandled like a little girl with Griffin, he gased in early second round, it’s pointless to keep writing keep believing and wishing Shogun will win, in your dreams.

[quote comment=”318026″]I guess Chuck forgot about the loss to Jardine. I don’t blame him. I wouldn’t want to remember that either.

I don’t know about anyone else, but I have no urge to see Rampage/Chuck 3.[/quote]
I guess you forgot that Forrest lost to jardine also. There are a thousand different scenarios you could come up with for a #1 contender. Forrest didn’t lose a descision like Chuck, he got knocked tha F#*k out so I can kind of see where Chuck is coming from. When it is all said and done forrest will have the same two recent losses that Chuck has. Rampage and Jardine. P.S. Forrest lost to Tito something that Chuck hasn’t done!

[quote comment=”317914″]Technically:

HW - UFC
Interim HW - Pride
LHW - Pride
MW - Pride
WW - UFC
Interim WW - UFC
Lightweight - UFC[/quote]

Yes and if you notice thoes Pride fighters didn’t juice buddy.

Apparently Chuck hasn’t let the Pride vs UFC thing go….LOL!!!

Spider Silva for the argument is a UFC Champ who made his name in Pride….Sources? The article that came out about Pride vs UFC whos the winner = neither a few days ago, He has as many fights in Pride as he does in Meca and UFC (5 fights)…

The easiest way to end this is if you go back and watch his fight vs Leben (UFC Debut)all the commentating surrounding Silva eludes to his time in Pride…

GO WATCH, and LISTEN….

* Shogun, please teach this guy a lesson…

I wanna see Machida VS Chuck… Jardine should fight Wandy and get a title shot if he beats him!

[quote comment=”318072″][quote comment=”317914″]Technically:

HW - UFC
Interim HW - Pride
LHW - Pride
MW - Pride
WW - UFC
Interim WW - UFC
Lightweight - UFC[/quote]

Yes and if you notice thoes Pride fighters didn’t juice buddy.[/quote]

how do you know who did or did not juice up, if any? buddy?

oh right, you hear things and start your reasoning, oh wait, maybe you see a picture of a guy who was never really ripped and now he has man boobs and all of the sudden he was on the roids back in Pride. There is no need for evidence here, rumors is all we need. I can remember many pictures where chuck had a huge beer gut, but I would never think it was because he was on the juice, maybe it was because he wasn’t training properly. shogun has said that he just started training again, his fight is not going to be until june. again, when he comes into the octagon you’ll not see him built (’cause he never was in the first place), but trust me, he is not going to have man boobs and I wouldn’t be surprised to see your boy chuck getting knocked out unconscious. Stop believing in conspiracy theories and wait ’till the fight happens. Just because you see one bad fight doesn’t mean crap. All the great fighters have a bad night once in a while, it was not the first time and it will not be the last.

Oh yeah, and randy is not UFC champ, he doesn’t want to be in there any more, he doesn’t want to defend his title “cause he wants to fight fedor”. Give me a break, the guy is running away from competition, just like cro cop. I’ve lost respect to both fighters.

Chuck wins via stoppage in the second round. Sorry Shogun, if you had hell with forrest you are not ready for the ICEMAN!

[quote comment=”318003″][quote comment=”317963″][quote comment=”317893″]Pride better than the UFC, Chuck? Let’s see….

HW champ- Pride fighter
LHW champ- Pride fighter
MW champ- Pride fighter[/quote]

HW Champ - UFC fighter (Randy)
LHW Champ - Pride fighter
MW Champ - Cage Rage / UFC / Pride / various other MMA assoc

I know its an old argument so for that i’m sorry but just making a point. I hate the Pride lovers who cling onto Silva…[/quote]

MW — Pride fighter (Anderson made his name in Pride, and the only person capable of taking it away from him is another Pride fighter, and even if you don’t count Anderson as a Pride fighter, he still was not UFC to begin with, so UFC still on the low here)

[/quote]

Anderson Silva DID NOT make his name in Pride FC. He was 2 and 2 in Pride, with the last two fights being losses. Those of you that feel the need to make a tired argument of UFC vs. Pride are really digging deep when you say the UFC MW champ is a Pride guy.

Better yet, stop worrying about the organizations and just enjoy the fights.

I’m a fan of Liddell’s, but honestly this quote makes him sound like an idiot. Chuck should take a look at his career in Pride- He couldn’t even make it to the big fight with Wanderlei cause Rampage beat him down, and even the fights he won he was hurt at some point. Chuck should get a title shot when rampage loses the belt, then maybe he could avoid getting his ass kicked again by a pride fighter.

Actually

HW - UFC
Interim HW - Pride
LHW - Pride
MW - UFC (March 1st he has more fights in the UFC than in Pride. Then again, Silva was never a Pride fighter. He is a cage fighter. If you want to say he is a Pride fighter because he fought in Pride first than UFC fighter Dan Henderson had 2 out of the 4 Pride belts)
WW - UFC
Interim WW - UFC
Lightweight - UFC

[quote comment=”317997″]finally all u people are seeing what im seeing[/quote]

Agreed!

[quote comment=”318086″][quote comment=”318072″][quote comment=”317914″]Technically:

HW - UFC
Interim HW - Pride
LHW - Pride
MW - Pride
WW - UFC
Interim WW - UFC
Lightweight - UFC[/quote]

Yes and if you notice thoes Pride fighters didn’t juice buddy.[/quote]

how do you know who did or did not juice up, if any? buddy?

oh right, you hear things and start your reasoning, oh wait, maybe you see a picture of a guy who was never really ripped and now he has man boobs and all of the sudden he was on the roids back in Pride. There is no need for evidence here, rumors is all we need. I can remember many pictures where chuck had a huge beer gut, but I would never think it was because he was on the juice, maybe it was because he wasn’t training properly. shogun has said that he just started training again, his fight is not going to be until june. again, when he comes into the octagon you’ll not see him built (’cause he never was in the first place), but trust me, he is not going to have man boobs and I wouldn’t be surprised to see your boy chuck getting knocked out unconscious. Stop believing in conspiracy theories and wait ’till the fight happens. Just because you see one bad fight doesn’t mean crap. All the great fighters have a bad night once in a while, it was not the first time and it will not be the last.

Oh yeah, and randy is not UFC champ, he doesn’t want to be in there any more, he doesn’t want to defend his title “cause he wants to fight fedor”. Give me a break, the guy is running away from competition, just like cro cop. I’ve lost respect to both fighters.[/quote]

You’re a r*tard how you ask your own questions and answer them. how this and that? oh yeah wait it’s this and that. You’re a m*ron!

[quote comment=”318112″][quote comment=”318003″][quote comment=”317963″][quote comment=”317893″]Pride better than the UFC, Chuck? Let’s see….

HW champ- Pride fighter
LHW champ- Pride fighter
MW champ- Pride fighter[/quote]

HW Champ - UFC fighter (Randy)
LHW Champ - Pride fighter
MW Champ - Cage Rage / UFC / Pride / various other MMA assoc

I know its an old argument so for that i’m sorry but just making a point. I hate the Pride lovers who cling onto Silva…[/quote]

MW — Pride fighter (Anderson made his name in Pride, and the only person capable of taking it away from him is another Pride fighter, and even if you don’t count Anderson as a Pride fighter, he still was not UFC to begin with, so UFC still on the low here)

[/quote]

Anderson Silva DID NOT make his name in Pride FC. He was 2 and 2 in Pride, with the last two fights being losses. Those of you that feel the need to make a tired argument of UFC vs. Pride are really digging deep when you say the UFC MW champ is a Pride guy.

Better yet, stop worrying about the organizations and just enjoy the fights.[/quote]

Anderson fought 5 times in Pride, and the reason that he made his name there is because he beat carlos newton in a devastating manner, it was all hype from there on until he lost a couple of fights there and resigned from Pride. It’s all about where you made your name, it’s the trademark. For all I care houston alexander can go tomorrow to fight for Dreams, and he can fight there for 10 fights, he’ll still be a UFC fighter in the hearts of many “cause that’s where he made his name.

And I don’t really worry about the organizations, I enjoy the fights wherever they are. I’m only speaking my mind here because it was chuck that brought up the Pride vs UFC debate again. Usually I don’t really get into the whole debate, but this is different.

[quote comment=”318151″][quote comment=”318086″][quote comment=”318072″][quote comment=”317914″]Technically:

HW - UFC
Interim HW - Pride
LHW - Pride
MW - Pride
WW - UFC
Interim WW - UFC
Lightweight - UFC[/quote]

Yes and if you notice thoes Pride fighters didn’t juice buddy.[/quote]

how do you know who did or did not juice up, if any? buddy?

oh right, you hear things and start your reasoning, oh wait, maybe you see a picture of a guy who was never really ripped and now he has man boobs and all of the sudden he was on the roids back in Pride. There is no need for evidence here, rumors is all we need. I can remember many pictures where chuck had a huge beer gut, but I would never think it was because he was on the juice, maybe it was because he wasn’t training properly. shogun has said that he just started training again, his fight is not going to be until june. again, when he comes into the octagon you’ll not see him built (’cause he never was in the first place), but trust me, he is not going to have man boobs and I wouldn’t be surprised to see your boy chuck getting knocked out unconscious. Stop believing in conspiracy theories and wait ’till the fight happens. Just because you see one bad fight doesn’t mean crap. All the great fighters have a bad night once in a while, it was not the first time and it will not be the last.

Oh yeah, and randy is not UFC champ, he doesn’t want to be in there any more, he doesn’t want to defend his title “cause he wants to fight fedor”. Give me a break, the guy is running away from competition, just like cro cop. I’ve lost respect to both fighters.[/quote]

You’re a r*tard how you ask your own questions and answer them. how this and that? oh yeah wait it’s this and that. You’re a m*ron![/quote]

I guess you can’t tell when someone is being sarcastic and when someone is being direct. Usually adults can differentiate between the two. Maybe when you grow up you’ll understand. This actually makes perfect sense now for you to feel the way you do, when you grow older you’ll notice adults usually rely more on evidence instead of rumors. Good growing up.

I thought he never asks for a fight and just fights who the UFC tells him to fight.

there is no pride ufc bought them.therefor ufc wins and is better,you must exist to be better.now none of you mma noobs seem to realize wanderliegh beat rampage twice badly.these are elite fighters who could win or lose to any other elite fighter at any time.chuck does have the most ko’s and title defences against other elites.i’d pay to see any mix of fights with any of these fighters repeat or not.but if you don’t fill cards with them we all lose and noone gets to argue.good luck chuck and keep on fighting at top levels.

[quote comment=”317933″][quote comment=”317913″]Rampage already said that he aint fighting chuck no more cuz he already beat em twice, rampage is in a lose lose situation so i doubt he’ll even take this fight if he’s still the champ….

p.s. who is keith jardines agaent or representative i mean they SUCK, this guys beaten Forrest and Chuck and still can’t get a decent fight cuz his ppl aren’t doing the right things for him and he’s not talking himself, they need to push for fights more instead of sitting back, otherwise he aint goin far in this business and will keep getting fed…[/quote]
you have a point there but, i highly doubt Rampage wouldnt take the fight he doesnt have an option in this maybe the first time around but lets say Chuck beats Shogun and Rampage beats Forrest, then chuck rests so does rampage when offered the fight i guess Rampage can say no but, what happens if chuck then goes and avenges his loss to jardine and rampage still doesnt want to fight him ok well then chuck goes and beats forrest and machida, etc… Rampage will have to take the fight sooner or later if Chuck is legitametly the #1 contender if not ppl that hate on chuck now will start backing himup and calling rampage a chickenshit, if it makes sense its also like the FRanklin , Silva situtation Silva TKOd Franklin twice and said he has no desire of fighting him no more well what if Franklin beats Lutter then Marquardt, Almeida, etc… what if he cleans out the division, dude i think it would be inebitable that there would be a Franklin-Silva 3[/quote]

What r u talking about? I have heard in a couple Rampage interviews that he would love to fight Chuck as many times as he possibly could. Rampage is all about the money, and he wants to fight chuck as much as possible because beating Chuck is a HUGE pay day for Rampage and he knows he has Chuck’s number.

I am really looking forwawrd to this fight. I just hope Shogun has been training in a cage, just to get used to the surroundings. My thoughts:

1. Shogun comes back in shape and violently dismantles Chuck and gets another shot at Rampage.
2. Chuck knows he is on the brink of retirement and has nothing to loose and therefore will come out as he did against Wanderlei and win by TKO. Then rematch with Rampage, win and retire.

(In saying this, I am not sure why but I think Forrest is going to beat Rampage)

[quote comment=”318154″][quote comment=”318112″][quote comment=”318003″][quote comment=”317963″][quote comment=”317893″]Pride better than the UFC, Chuck? Let’s see….

HW champ- Pride fighter
LHW champ- Pride fighter
MW champ- Pride fighter[/quote]

HW Champ - UFC fighter (Randy)
LHW Champ - Pride fighter
MW Champ - Cage Rage / UFC / Pride / various other MMA assoc

I know its an old argument so for that i’m sorry but just making a point. I hate the Pride lovers who cling onto Silva…[/quote]

MW — Pride fighter (Anderson made his name in Pride, and the only person capable of taking it away from him is another Pride fighter, and even if you don’t count Anderson as a Pride fighter, he still was not UFC to begin with, so UFC still on the low here)

[/quote]

Anderson Silva DID NOT make his name in Pride FC. He was 2 and 2 in Pride, with the last two fights being losses. Those of you that feel the need to make a tired argument of UFC vs. Pride are really digging deep when you say the UFC MW champ is a Pride guy.

Better yet, stop worrying about the organizations and just enjoy the fights.[/quote]

Anderson fought 5 times in Pride, and the reason that he made his name there is because he beat carlos newton in a devastating manner, it was all hype from there on until he lost a couple of fights there and resigned from Pride. It’s all about where you made your name, it’s the trademark. For all I care houston alexander can go tomorrow to fight for Dreams, and he can fight there for 10 fights, he’ll still be a UFC fighter in the hearts of many “cause that’s where he made his name.

And I don’t really worry about the organizations, I enjoy the fights wherever they are. I’m only speaking my mind here because it was chuck that brought up the Pride vs UFC debate again. Usually I don’t really get into the whole debate, but this is different.[/quote]

Linx: U r absolutely right. Anderson Silva is a PRIDE fighter because all the other organizations dont count. You can either be a PRIDE guy or a UFC guy in this argument. The argument isnt UFC vs. Pride vs. Cage Rage vs. K-1. Its UFC vs. PRIDE and look back to when they were promoting the fight between Anderson Silva vs. Leben, both Rogan and Dana reffered to Anderson Silva as a PRIDE fighter….so who r u people to say he isn’t. Are wanderlei, Sakuraba and Henderson UFC fighters? they all had a couple of fights in the UFC before they fought in PRIDE. There answer is of course NOT! Those guys made PRIDE fighters. No fighter ever made it to the UFC right out of their gym…They all fought somewhere 1st. This UFC vs. PRIDE thing is getting old, but if you are going to have that conversation then stop with the nitpicking you can only be a UFC or PRIDE fighter because all those other organizations cant compare to the UFC or PRIDE.

Is Rich Franklin not a UFC fighter? He fought in Japan and the WFA….he is a UFC fighter because thats where he made his name. Linx: Props for the reference to the Silva vs. Carlos Newton fight…I will never forget that beautiful flying knee Silva cracked Newton with as Newton was shooting for a takedown. That knee couldnt have been timed more perfect. I never understood why more dominant strikers dont rty that technique when a guy is shooting on them. I wouldnt reccomend using that technique when the opponent is fresh, but after he defend a takedown numerous times (against a guy that doesnt want to stand with you), they start getting sloppy and shooting from to far away….that is a perfect situation for that flying knee.

[quote comment=”317893″]Pride better than the UFC, Chuck? Let’s see….

HW champ- Pride fighter
LHW champ- Pride fighter
MW champ- Pride fighter[/quote]

yeah but jackson fought in a cage before the ufc. he fought in king of the cage so it wasn’t new to him.

Chuck needs 2 more wins to fight for the belt