i dont think its nothing to do with dana really - lesnar went to the ufc asking to fight a top level guy and NOT newcomers or low level fighters. This guys statement is blatantly just for publicity.

I think Shaw and White should both shut up or go on Jerry Springer already.

“Every time he signs someone, they get beat right away.”

Yeah, that’s Dana Whites fault. /sarcasm

Basically he’s calling Dana out for not feeding Brock Lesnar, Cro Cop or Shogun etc etc any cans.

MMA promoters really annoy me.

gary dont be pissed that dana makes more $ than you will ever make and go back to the boring world of boxing.

what a schmuck. who is this old fart?

[quote comment=”307915″]gary dont be pissed that dana makes more $ than you will ever make and go back to the boring world of boxing.[/quote]

isn’t boxing over yet? MMA is so much more dynamic it hurts.

I love love love love to listen to Dana fire back at these guys. He always comes up with the best lines for them. As if he has thought about it ahead of time and saves them. Funny stuff. Lets go Dana! Fire back!

I disagree. i think it was a good matchup. it showed brock, what kind of competition he is going to face in the UFC. rather than giving him a can, and then having him walk out of the fight with an inflated ego, he can now walk out of the fight with the perspective of where to begin training to be a champion. you learn more from a loss than a win. i feel this was a humbling experience for brock and in the long run it will be better for him.

besides i heard brock asked for Mir, he wasn’t given Mir.

I guess the exact opposite of this is Kimbo vs Tank. Is Tank just fodder for Kimbo. If Kimbo were to loose I would say that Gary blew it. There is nothing wrong with Lesnar loosing to Mir.

He ruined Brock by giving him a tough fight that he requested?

Not all of us want to see “stars” in MMA, we want to see challenges every time people are out there, because it doesn’t matter if you have beat 20 lesser known opponents, if you’re one of the few that beat 5-10 top name opponents, that is the challenge of MMA and that I feel is what most people are looking for from the sport for their “stars”.

Someone who can handle diversity amongst the cream of the crop of their weight class, not someone who gets handpicked fights to build up their name for a huge PPV generating show. That has nothing to do with MMA.

Please Gary Shaw and Dana White, stop making MMA look bad with your crybaby whining and mudslinging, you guys are chaperones of the sport, not grand designers.

haha, sorry gary that dana doesnt fix fights and actually puts new fighters in with top competition to see what they are made of

I actually thought Brock came out looking great even though he lost. He showed an aggression and “curb appeal” that got the crowd insanely pumped. I watched the fight at a local bar/restaurant and that crowd was standing on its feet screaming during the entire match. It was awesome to see. Brock got instant cred for fighting Mir. If Brock would have fought a chump, Brock would have looked terrible.

And that’s what I like about UFC.. The fact that its fighters have to fight tough fights. The problem with boxing is that the majority of the fights were largely one-sided with the bigger name boxer getting matched up with a tuna instead of legit competition.

i think shaw is a fuckin moron the ufc does have the best fighters besides one or two fedor and gomi and i think puttin brock in that fight with mir was good for brock and i see him him being a top five contender in the heavyweight division

Gary Shaw is an IDIOT or maybe a spy promoter for the UFC………..”I guess if u want to get beat right away go to the UFC”….lol…lol…lol..aaaaaaaahahahahah …….is this guy really trying to bad mouth the UFC….

Ps…………if anything this loss for brock just made him more hunry and want to learn more in MMA……Gary get ur head out of the cats litter box…..you moron!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i think there is alot of factors why fighters are coming in and losing in the UFC, 1 being the higher level of competition and 2 the different (terrain) octagon, 3 maybe the overwhealming expirience as in fighting in a smaller show and then boom in front of 10s of thousands. besides not all ppl that came into the UFC lost off the bat perfect example Anderson Silva, Crocop won his first, got KOd the 2nd , and was mentally broke in the 3rd, Wandy lost but put on one of the best fights in MMA history, Shogun well wasnt 100% and was fighting a good fighter thats real hungry for glory, etc…

[quote comment=”307971″]i think there is alot of factors why fighters are coming in and losing in the UFC, 1 being the higher level of competition and 2 the different (terrain) octagon, 3 maybe the overwhealming expirience as in fighting in a smaller show and then boom in front of 10s of thousands. besides not all ppl that came into the UFC lost off the bat perfect example Anderson Silva, Crocop won his first, got KOd the 2nd , and was mentally broke in the 3rd, Wandy lost but put on one of the best fights in MMA history, Shogun well wasnt 100% and was fighting a good fighter thats real hungry for glory, etc…[/quote]

dont forget Rampage

[quote comment=”307972″][quote comment=”307971″]i think there is alot of factors why fighters are coming in and losing in the UFC, 1 being the higher level of competition and 2 the different (terrain) octagon, 3 maybe the overwhealming expirience as in fighting in a smaller show and then boom in front of 10s of thousands. besides not all ppl that came into the UFC lost off the bat perfect example Anderson Silva, Crocop won his first, got KOd the 2nd , and was mentally broke in the 3rd, Wandy lost but put on one of the best fights in MMA history, Shogun well wasnt 100% and was fighting a good fighter thats real hungry for glory, etc…[/quote]

dont forget Rampage[/quote]
and Big NOg

Gary is a fu#@ing idiot. He set himself up for the perfect reply from Dana when he said: “Every time he signs someone, they get beat right away. I guess if you want to get beat right away, you should go to the UFC.” That what happens when you have the best fighters in your organizations. That’s what I want to see, the best fighters taking on each other. Not a good fighter taking on a can so he can pad his record. This sport is about finding out who the best fighter in the world is. He could have set Brock up with a can, but pretty much everyone I know that watched that fight came away with the impression that Brock is for real, he just has a few holes in his game that need fixed. Ask any fighter (that doesn’t have a grudge against Dana)which organization they would rather be in UFC or Elite XC, I bet most all would say UFC.

[quote comment=”307938″]I actually thought Brock came out looking great even though he lost. He showed an aggression and “curb appeal” that got the crowd insanely pumped. I watched the fight at a local bar/restaurant and that crowd was standing on its feet screaming during the entire match. It was awesome to see. Brock got instant cred for fighting Mir. If Brock would have fought a chump, Brock would have looked terrible.

And that’s what I like about UFC.. The fact that its fighters have to fight tough fights. The problem with boxing is that the majority of the fights were largely one-sided with the bigger name boxer getting matched up with a tuna instead of legit competition.[/quote]

Bas Rutten agrees with you. he also thought brock looked really good in his first showing. He said the only mistake brock really made was not using elbows. He also agreed with a lot of people that teh call Mazagatti made was BS.

this was also the same show that had Kimbo Slice and the president of EliteXC on, so kimbo said that brock sucked and the president of EliteXC said the same thigs as shaw.

this guy only opens his mouth and bashes dana because he knows that is the only way he can get attention he is a attention whore and cant keep his mouth shut. He knows his fighters are not the same caliber as the ufc’s but what he does know is that if he could copromote with the ufc that would be huge for his company so he is going to say everything and anything trying to get the ufc to copromote with his shitty organization. He has nobody fighters and guys who could not hack it in the ufc. This guy needs to shut his mouth get his own talent and worry about his own fighters and also i would like to see him not get in the cage after the fight and try to force elite xc hats on the heads of his fighters and i like how half of the fighters just throw that hats on the ground anyway.

Again with the bad grammar.

“This could get more interesting realLY soon.”

Corrected.

this guy should just say it- if your afraid of top competition and dont want to risk losing right away, go to EliteXC, where they will try to pad you record and give you easy fights to make you look good. P*ssy’s R us would be a slogan for them

Brock wanted the best
BRock asked for the elite. Thats why he is fighting in the UFC not anywhere else.
Now he said dana does this a lot or something to that affect.
NO NO NO NO NO
Its the competion!!!!!!!!!!!
Shogun
Silva
Henderson
They are elite fighters who werent fight elite in PRIDE, now they are in the UFC, so they have to be comitted to fight, not anything else.
So if shaw wants to tell dana white how to run his buisnness and treat his newly arriving talent, I suggest Dana beats shaw over the head with his wallet hahahhahaha

I cant wait until this idiot goes broke and the few decent fighters he has can go to the UFC. What a tool this guy is. Promote your fighters and fights. Dont worry about another organization. GO BROKE PLEASE.

Yeah right….Did you see who Shaw matched up Kimbo Slice with for his first fight? It was that guy that took a dive in 30 seconds of the first round! Gary Shaw is a sleaze!

Brock v. Mir was a horrible idea, it was just a publicity stunt. Yeah, lets take a former WWE wrestler, with no MMA experience, pay him sh*tloads of money, and pit him against a former UFC champion. Did none of you see that match, you could tell he was a rookie. Of course Lesnar was gonna bumb rush Mir, take him down and throw some wild strikes. If he wasnt able to do that then he would be a ‘complete loser’. He got caught in the first sub that Mir applied. He didnt even know how to f*cking tap properly!

I hate to defend Dana White, but that’s one of the things I actually like about Dana, that he is willing to test most of the fighters, this is the UFC- it’s supposed to be trial by fire. Shaw is acting like a putz, it’s not an intelligent criticism of White, and he’s pretty much admitting that he likes to have big fighters fight losers just to build up their hype. I think that’s bs and if Dana is the man that actually tries to test the fighters, then I’m on his side.

Also, Lesnar almost beat Mir down I don’t think it was a bad matchup at all. By his next fight, I doubt there will be any need for this type of criticism- Brock’s gonna be a big, big star for the UFC.

[quote comment=”307971″]i think there is alot of factors why fighters are coming in and losing in the UFC, 1 being the higher level of competition and 2 the different (terrain) octagon, 3 maybe the overwhealming expirience as in fighting in a smaller show and then boom in front of 10s of thousands. besides not all ppl that came into the UFC lost off the bat perfect example Anderson Silva, Crocop won his first, got KOd the 2nd , and was mentally broke in the 3rd, Wandy lost but put on one of the best fights in MMA history, Shogun well wasnt 100% and was fighting a good fighter thats real hungry for glory, etc…[/quote]
u are 1000000percent correct…seriously the ufc has no real competition…look at all are champs then theres,,,i mean for christ sake sum of these joke places have such studs as robbie lawler,tank abbot,…in all honest im not 100percent sure fedor would win are hw title…people are jus jealous cause we have the best fighters the best shows and the best fand and people hate it…so elite xc,ifl,wec get over it u guys are nuthin

Like most people said, Gary Shaw will say anything to attract attention to EliteXC and try to come closer to having a co-promotion with the UFC. He is just hoping that one day his mouth will push Dana over the line and just piss him off to the point where Dana just says “Fine, the UFC will destroy your crap organization, in the octagon”. But, I don’t ever see that happening. But then again, this is Dana’s ego we could be talking about…

[quote comment=”307947″]i think shaw is a fuckin moron the ufc does have the best fighters besides one or two fedor and gomi and i think puttin brock in that fight with mir was good for brock and i see him him being a top five contender in the heavyweight division[/quote]

The UFC is no where close to having all of the best HW’s in the world. Right now, they are actually missing 3 of the top 5 in Fedor, Randy and Josh Barnett. Nog is top 5. But then it is debatable who the other Top Fiver is. So I’d actually say that 3 and a half of the Top 5 HW’s are not in the UFC.

[quote comment=”308033″]this guy should just say it- if your afraid of top competition and dont want to risk losing right away, go to EliteXC, where they will try to pad you record and give you easy fights to make you look good. P*ssy’s R us would be a slogan for them[/quote]

LOL. Great Slogan

Gary who? My point excactly.

every day Dana looks more and more like a ass hole. Know doubt he has done great things with the UFC but the way he has handled the Fedor and Couture things makes him look like a arogant cocksucker. Say what you want about EliteXC, but showtime is cheaper than payperview.

[quote comment=”307918″][quote comment=”307915″]gary dont be pissed that dana makes more $ than you will ever make and go back to the boring world of boxing.[/quote]

isn’t boxing over yet? MMA is so much more dynamic it hurts.[/quote]

whoa bro have more respect for boxing okay i love mma more than boxing but that doesnt mean you have to go that far…remember alot of mma guys are former boxers.

Gary Shaw is such a joke. Correct me if I’m wrong here, but didn’t he make up a 160 lb weight class for Nick Diaz when he was their biggest name and then Diaz got KTFO during the title fight? Stop trying to get your name out there by badmouthing other promotions and focus on making your sorry shows better. (Hint: Fire the stupid DJ and do something about the dancing skanks and for god’s sake if you need to have a fighter doing commentary find one who actually competed in MMA not pro wrestling.) But that’s just my opinion.

by the way i think gary shaw isnt a real person i think he is chevy chase in a fat man disguise.

[quote comment=”308060″]Brock v. Mir was a horrible idea, it was just a publicity stunt. Yeah, lets take a former WWE wrestler, with no MMA experience, pay him sh*tloads of money, and pit him against a former UFC champion. Did none of you see that match, you could tell he was a rookie. Of course Lesnar was gonna bumb rush Mir, take him down and throw some wild strikes. If he wasnt able to do that then he would be a ‘complete loser’. He got caught in the first sub that Mir applied. He didnt even know how to f*cking tap properly![/quote]
I actually agree with the latter part of your first sentence. It was undoubtedly a huge publicity stunt. That’s the draw with Lesnar… capitalizing on his huge name recognition from WWE. But that being said, Lesnar isn’t exactly an average meathead from the fake world of professaional wraslin.. Don’t forget that he was a NCAA heavyweight champion in wrestling, which no one else in the MMA world can boast that high a wrestling pedigree. Also, everyone admits that Lesnar is physically a freak. And lastly, I recall that Mir actually tried several arm bars and triangles that Brock simply powered out of. Even Mir admitted during his post fight interview that he had tried several unsuccessful arm bars. So, Lesnar didn’t fall for the first Mir attempt, rather fell for a combination of attempts..

[quote comment=”308132″]every day Dana looks more and more like a ass hole. Know doubt he has done great things with the UFC but the way he has handled the Fedor and Couture things makes him look like a arogant cocksucker. Say what you want about EliteXC, but showtime is cheaper than payperview.[/quote]

Ever hear the phrase, “you get what you pay for” ? that is a very fitting saying in this case. yeah i watch EliteXC, but only because its free. if i had to pay for it, i wouldn’t watch it.

[quote comment=”307973″][quote comment=”307972″][quote comment=”307971″]i think there is alot of factors why fighters are coming in and losing in the UFC, 1 being the higher level of competition and 2 the different (terrain) octagon, 3 maybe the overwhealming expirience as in fighting in a smaller show and then boom in front of 10s of thousands. besides not all ppl that came into the UFC lost off the bat perfect example Anderson Silva, Crocop won his first, got KOd the 2nd , and was mentally broke in the 3rd, Wandy lost but put on one of the best fights in MMA history, Shogun well wasnt 100% and was fighting a good fighter thats real hungry for glory, etc…[/quote]

dont forget Rampage[/quote]
and Big NOg[/quote]

Can I point something out about this one oh yea eddie sanchez to gonzaga is a huge diff in skill.
Anderson silva fought in cage before in cage rage
Nog fought in WEF before ever going to pride
and Rampage fought GC AND KOTC BEFORE GOING TO PRIDE all the guys winning had fought in the cage before

[quote comment=”308161″]Gary Shaw is such a joke. Correct me if I’m wrong here, but didn’t he make up a 160 lb weight class for Nick Diaz when he was their biggest name and then Diaz got KTFO during the title fight? Stop trying to get your name out there by badmouthing other promotions and focus on making your sorry shows better. (Hint: Fire the stupid DJ and do something about the dancing skanks and for god’s sake if you need to have a fighter doing commentary find one who actually competed in MMA not pro wrestling.) But that’s just my opinion.[/quote]

tko from cut

Everybody take an easy on Shaw. Building up a name has been a staple of pro boxing. How do you think boxers get ridiculous records like 35-0?! Shaw is just stating his opinion. I dont believe fighters should be fed cans for a long time but I agree that maybe 2-3 warmup fights would get a fighter accustomed to the ring and get some rankings right. I believe Shogun and Wand were mishandled giving them top competition on their first fight and neither of them were champs at the time. I can see how Dan can be justified to have a title fight with Page his first fight out because he wore the Pride belt but I just didnt understand Shogun and Wand and why they weren’t given an opportunity to work themselves up in the rankings. Its not really fair to a lot of the past UFC fighters that have had to work up from the rankings either to have a Pride fighter cut them.

Just my opinion.

[quote comment=”308249″]Everybody take an easy on Shaw. Building up a name has been a staple of pro boxing. How do you think boxers get ridiculous records like 35-0?! Shaw is just stating his opinion. I dont believe fighters should be fed cans for a long time but I agree that maybe 2-3 warmup fights would get a fighter accustomed to the ring and get some rankings right. I believe Shogun and Wand were mishandled giving them top competition on their first fight and neither of them were champs at the time. I can see how Dan can be justified to have a title fight with Page his first fight out because he wore the Pride belt but I just didnt understand Shogun and Wand and why they weren’t given an opportunity to work themselves up in the rankings. Its not really fair to a lot of the past UFC fighters that have had to work up from the rankings either to have a Pride fighter cut them.

Just my opinion.[/quote]
well shogun and wandy wanted these fights…and wandy was former champion going up against a formerchampion i see no mishadle in that….shogun with as much hype and and overating from the fans got a perfect fight…how do you build your name in the US with non true mma fans by beating the man that introduced them to the world of mma…and on the whole ranking thing yes i would have to agree..but then again we would have never found guy like anderson silva or rampage jackson.

brocks fight with mir actually garnered him respect from me. even with that loss im now on the lesnar wagon! weeee

Shaw is sort of right in that Mir was a bad match-up for Brock style-wise, something I’ve been saying on here since that fight was first announced. However, it hardly ruined Brock. In fact, I think it did the opposite. Brock looked great for about 1:20 or 1:25 of the fight landing strikes and avoiding subs until Mir threw a combination at him and caught his leg. If Brock only wanted a ton of cash for smacking around losers he could have signed with Elite or Bodog for the same amount of money and built up an inflated record without ever fighting a serious opponent.

Gary Shaw would be a good candidate for the Flat Earth Society. His comments are absurd and insulting to our intelligence. IMO he is going about it the wrong way. IMO the vast majority of people that follow mma closely have an affection for the UFC. By badmouthing the UFC he is causing people to “get their backs up” and hope that he fails. This is only human nature. He is turning off potential customers. I think that he would benefit from a more Mark Cuban type approach, whereby he gives the UFC its due and at the same type expresses the point of view that he has something to offer as well. Dana has his warts, but he is head over heels superior to Shaw (who by the way is only a part-time promoter). I have a funny feeling that Shaw will soon bail out as I believe that EliteXC is losing money “hand over fist”.

man i hope Gary looks art this thread. Gary you are a f**cking JACKASS!!!!!id like to see white vs Shaw in the cage at 205….im going with Dana by ko

Brock is NOT WELL ROUNDED…HE’LL KEEP ON LOOSING! He’s in over his head.

[quote comment=”308446″]Brock is NOT WELL ROUNDED…HE’LL KEEP ON LOOSING! He’s in over his head.[/quote]
“its called practice, look at Rashade Evans, an overall crap fighter turned decent and cant seem to lose”

i think dana is trying to prove a point… and has been trying to prove this point to the world ever since he brought Chuck Liddell over to Pride to have him fight in the grand prix and that is to show the world that the UFC have the toughest fighters in the world…

slowly people are realising that Pride fighters were not better nor tougher than UFC fighters and no WWE superstar will be either for that matter… so slowly dana is showing the world what he knew all along…

regardless of what negative things people have to say about dana, i really like him as the president of UFC. he knows what hes doing and hes a real smart businessman. there is definitely noone else out there that could run the UFC as good as he has/is.

Gary Shaw is a boob, I guess watching top level fighters fight their way out of wet paper bags is the way an MMA org should promote fights. Fedor should have signed with Elite.

Shaw is a freaking goof. Go have your heart attack already you fat bastard.

[quote comment=”307973″][quote comment=”307972″][quote comment=”307971″]i think there is alot of factors why fighters are coming in and losing in the UFC, 1 being the higher level of competition and 2 the different (terrain) octagon, 3 maybe the overwhealming expirience as in fighting in a smaller show and then boom in front of 10s of thousands. besides not all ppl that came into the UFC lost off the bat perfect example Anderson Silva, Crocop won his first, got KOd the 2nd , and was mentally broke in the 3rd, Wandy lost but put on one of the best fights in MMA history, Shogun well wasnt 100% and was fighting a good fighter thats real hungry for glory, etc…[/quote]

dont forget Rampage[/quote]
and Big NOg[/quote]

and Okami

I think Brock should have fought someone more close to his style it could have been alittle more interesting but who cares that’s how the UFC rolls, I was actually very impressed by Franks submission and he was the complete under dog. Brock will be back hopefully and he should fight someone like Eddie Sanchez or Kongo, or Heath Herring, or Jake O’Brian.

If newcomers get beat when they sign with the UFC, I think that is only a good testimony to it’s level of competition.
It’s not a show to make stars out of guys. It’s a sport, and the best will compete, bottom line.

How dare this guy insult the great and mighty Dana White. Doesn’t he know Dana is the son of God and is dying for all the sins of MMA? UFC fans are hilarious. Anyone who turns a blind eye to all the BS Dana is constantly doing to his fighters and so forth needs to wake up. The sport is called MMA not UFC. UFC is a part of the MMA world. When a lot of you figure that out, you’ll understand that the UFC is a portion of the sport and not THE sport. I love a good fight no matter where it is or with what company. I consider myself a fan of the sport of MMA.

[quote comment=”308471″]i think dana is trying to prove a point… and has been trying to prove this point to the world ever since he brought Chuck Liddell over to Pride to have him fight in the grand prix and that is to show the world that the UFC have the toughest fighters in the world….[/quote]

Is that why Chuck got pounded so bad by Rampage that Hackleman threw in the towel? And check your history book. Chuck went to the Grand Prix because of a failure by the UFC to set up a fight for him. He’d been sitting for awhile and needed to fight. Those were his words people. Dana never took him there.

So this guys theory is that UFC fighters are not the best in the world. But, go to the UFC from somewhere else and you will lose…..clever man.

UFC vs EliteXC 08 DANA vs SHAW for main event lol lol

Dana White is a marketing genius. He is trying to pull the WWE fans. They know who Lesnor is. They saw someone they think is a good fighter get whooped by a real fighter. I bet the UFC gained some new fans that night.

[quote post=”4906″]Gary Shaw is a boob, I guess watching top level fighters fight their way out of wet paper bags is the way an MMA org should promote fights. Fedor should have signed with Elite. [/quote]

Dang, i had to read the comments before i posted and sure enough you beat me to Fedor. i agree, maybe he can do sambo and EliteXC if he’s up to the challenge

[quote comment=”308788″]Dana White is a marketing genius. He is trying to pull the WWE fans. They know who Lesnor is. They saw someone they think is a good fighter get whooped by a real fighter. I bet the UFC gained some new fans that night.[/quote]

good point, very good point

[quote comment=”308646″][quote comment=”308471″]i think dana is trying to prove a point… and has been trying to prove this point to the world ever since he brought Chuck Liddell over to Pride to have him fight in the grand prix and that is to show the world that the UFC have the toughest fighters in the world….[/quote]

Is that why Chuck got pounded so bad by Rampage that Hackleman threw in the towel? And check your history book. Chuck went to the Grand Prix because of a failure by the UFC to set up a fight for him. He’d been sitting for awhile and needed to fight. Those were his words people. Dana never took him there.[/quote]
that doesnt count chuck is over-rated

[quote post=”4906″]Is that why Chuck got pounded so bad by Rampage that Hackleman threw in the towel? And check your history book. Chuck went to the Grand Prix because of a failure by the UFC to set up a fight for him. He’d been sitting for awhile and needed to fight. Those were his words people. Dana never took him there.[/quote]
I disagree. Dana was in the booth as a commentator with Bas Ruten and that other guy when Chuck fought Rampage the first time back in Pride.

[quote comment=”308851″][quote post=”4906″]Is that why Chuck got pounded so bad by Rampage that Hackleman threw in the towel? And check your history book. Chuck went to the Grand Prix because of a failure by the UFC to set up a fight for him. He’d been sitting for awhile and needed to fight. Those were his words people. Dana never took him there.[/quote]
I disagree. Dana was in the booth as a commentator with Bas Ruten and that other guy when Chuck fought Rampage the first time back in Pride.[/quote]

What i wrote was a quote from Chuck. He was saying all this before his fight leading up to the Rampage rematch.

[quote comment=”308172″][quote comment=”308060″]Brock v. Mir was a horrible idea, it was just a publicity stunt. Yeah, lets take a former WWE wrestler, with no MMA experience, pay him sh*tloads of money, and pit him against a former UFC champion. Did none of you see that match, you could tell he was a rookie. Of course Lesnar was gonna bumb rush Mir, take him down and throw some wild strikes. If he wasnt able to do that then he would be a ‘complete loser’. He got caught in the first sub that Mir applied. He didnt even know how to f*cking tap properly![/quote]
I actually agree with the latter part of your first sentence. It was undoubtedly a huge publicity stunt. That’s the draw with Lesnar… capitalizing on his huge name recognition from WWE. But that being said, Lesnar isn’t exactly an average meathead from the fake world of professaional wraslin.. Don’t forget that he was a NCAA heavyweight champion in wrestling, which no one else in the MMA world can boast that high a wrestling pedigree. Also, everyone admits that Lesnar is physically a freak. And lastly, I recall that Mir actually tried several arm bars and triangles that Brock simply powered out of. Even Mir admitted during his post fight interview that he had tried several unsuccessful arm bars. So, Lesnar didn’t fall for the first Mir attempt, rather fell for a combination of attempts..[/quote]

Yeah thats actually true. I dont have problem with Brock, I just get annoyoed by all of the fans jumping from bandwagon to bandwagon. It was the same thing with Housten Alexander, he wins two fights and hes the best thing in the world, and then he loses one and sudenly he dosnt deserve to be in the UFC. Why dont they let these guys flourish into wellrounded fighters with some experience. If you hype some new guy up to the level of god-like status the only place they will have left to go is down.

Did this guy not watch all the pre-fight footage where Brock said he wanted a tough fight, I dont see how Dana ruined him at all, Brock was kicking franks ass, he made the mistake of trying to jump out of the knee bar, people say this is because lack of experience well there are people who have been fighting in the ufc for awhile who would have made the same mistake, personally I think Brock needs to find new trainers instead of getting back with his old wrestling coach, he already knows he’s a world class wrestler and that is something you dont loose, he should have worked more on striking and maybe some BJJ, but that was a perfect fight for Brock, not like he got beat down bad, Frank is the one that took the beating, brock made a rookie mistake, all i am saying is teach this guy to throw them hands like a boxer, teach him a few kicks and a lil BBJ and brock will be a major force in the UFC.

[quote comment=”308824″][quote comment=”308788″]Dana White is a marketing genius. He is trying to pull the WWE fans. They know who Lesnor is. They saw someone they think is a good fighter get whooped by a real fighter. I bet the UFC gained some new fans that night.[/quote]

good point, very good point[/quote]

marketing 101.

brock is a beast, it is only one loss, he has great potential, he will be good, look how he floored mir twice, once with a takedown, and another with a bomb, even though he should have won that match, but got caught, look for lesnar to improve….in the coming months.

I think its garbage that Brock had to fight a legend right off, but its true, Brock wants to fight the top fighters. He has very little experience but still held his own. I think he’s gonna be amazing in 85 (if it happens).

EVEN THOUGH HE DIDNT WIW HE WON A MORALE VICTORY AND HIS NEXT VICTORY WILL BE A MASACURE, THATS MY PREDICTION

This was a well promoted fight. Brock fought a former champion meaning that a win could have catapulted him up the ranks and a loss was expected. On the other end, Mir wasn’t looking like himself before the Brock fight so this was a good test to see where Mir’s head was at. Now Dana has Mir looking good again and also being a possible number one contender and Brock showed massive potential against an elite figher.

In comparison lets go with the Tank and Kimbo. Now Kimbo is one of the most despised fighters by people who really have no reason to dislike him other than he is getting all of the lime light. But this isn’t the reason they don’t like him, its because he’s fought cans and doesn’t deserve the light yet.

Honestly IMO Dana doesn’t let his fighters cross promote because he wants one undisputed champ. He doesn’t want a boxing style rating system which is what Gary Shaw is working for. Dana used to box and I trust his judgement alot more than I do that of Shaw’s. Shaw can take his bullshit to some other sports league. If Kimbo was in the UFC he would have more credibility by now because he would be fed cans. I have a feeling Kimbo is a little pissed about this as well, otherwise he probably wouldn’t be calling the Iceman out.

LETS SEE SHAW VS WHITE