“Sean Gannon beat him in a street fight. Everyone saw what happened to Sean Gannon when he fought a guy that no one ever heard of (a decisive TKO loss to Branden Lee Hinkle in the UFC). Gannon was in the hospital for three weeks. That’s what would happen to Kimbo Slice if he fought in the UFC. He would get hurt bad – real bad.”
Those thoughts are from none other than UFC President Dana White on street fighting legend and EliteXC heavyweight fighter Kimbo Slice’s chances in the Octagon.
White makes a good point, but that fight with Kimbo and Gannon was a long time ago. Since then Kimbo has been training with former UFC heavyweight champion, Bas Rutten, in hopes of honing his all around MMA skills.
Bas had this to say about Kimbo:
“I am training Kimbo right now, and I have to say that he is one of the BEST fighters I have EVER trained. He really listens to you and does what you say, do you know how hard that is? If he’s dead tired, and I tell him five more rounds, he looks at me, but doesn’t say anything, he just does it.”
It appears Kimbo has the desire to get better, but if he ever wants to shed the “street fighter” label, he’s going to have to take some fights with more well rounded fighters. Fighting guys like Tank Abbott and Ray Mercer — who are just brawlers themselves — is going to get him nowhere closer to proving himself in the MMA world.
We already know he can knock a guy out. … just ask Adrian.
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emm emm maaaathhhhhhhhh.
i hope kimbo is saving some money,he has too much to learn fast,he got beat on for two rounds,and as for Fedor?dana would love that guy to be ufc,he is a bad ass
they dont show HOW he got knocked out.. ive seen the whole thing in the past. and kimbo hit him from the back while he was walking away.. soooo they cut that out to make him look better? rofl.. media…
thatd adrian guy never stood a chance. he was walking away after a punch of two, haha. kimbo is training hard now though, he shouldnt be knocked for that. r
how old is Kimbo anyways?? I like how someone like Kurt Angle is shunned when he talks about fighting becuase he’s so old…but Kimbo cant be much younger than Angle…Even if Bas gives his stamp of approval I dont take his word as gospel like most people (most people dont take in consideration that he makes money off of kimbo, so why would he talk bad about him)…they will keep handpicking fights and he will never fight tough comp, if he does he is in trouble…
Mania..great post! Dana white needs to stop acting so petty and shut his mouth about non-UFC fighters. The UFC is a supperior product to all the other mma orgainzations and is estimated at a billion dollars….and Dana runs it. So why be so petty and constantly Bash other “inferior” companies fighter? he makes himself look like an idiot.
His comments about Kombo are irrelevant. I am not some big Kimbo fan, but If Dana can throw a WWE fighter like Brock, in a co-main event of a major pay per view, the he should shut his dam mouth about Kimbo trying to work his way into MMA.
Mania, u brought up a good point that fighting Mercer and Tank isn’t going to help his cause (breaking into mma), but I think the only reason the match up against Tank was set up is because of All the hype, when Tank came in the cage and styarted talking trash. People will watch that fight, just like we all watched the Brock fight….CURIOSITY. I kind of put Brock and Kimbo in the same category: 2 Novice mma fighters, coming into a sport with a name already. Brock has showed to be taking his mma training seriously and we all praised him for it….According to BAS (who I have the out most respect for) Kimbo is doing the same thing. Bas has been praising Kimbo for months now. Brock is a wrestler with a big name, and Kimbo is striker who became an internet celebrity.. they both have a base to work with, and I hear the both have the work thic…so the jury is still out on both IMO…but they are headed in the right direction.
The only difference between the 2 is that Brock actually fought against a true mixed martial artist (Mir) and Kimbo has yet to do so. Unfortunately, EliteXC still does not have a great big stable of heavyweight fighters and is a step or 2 below the UFC. With that said this match up was just set up to appeal to the fans who love a brawl. Lets face it, when we aren’t talking about true well rounded martial artists, the fans would rather see 2 one-dimensional strikers fighting each other, then 2 one dimensional wrestlers grappling.
Dana needs to shut up because if he thinks Kimo cant compete with Eddie Sanchez or Sal Paleli…then he is just a fool who can never has an objective oppinion. All his oppinions are UFC fighters are the greatest, and anyone that he cant sign or isnt signed to the UFC sucks… I think he makes himself look really stupid to true, knowledgable mma fans!
[quote comment=”296476″]how old is Kimbo anyways?? I like how someone like Kurt Angle is shunned when he talks about fighting becuase he’s so old…but Kimbo cant be much younger than Angle…Even if Bas gives his stamp of approval I dont take his word as gospel like most people (most people dont take in consideration that he makes money off of kimbo, so why would he talk bad about him)…they will keep handpicking fights and he will never fight tough comp, if he does he is in trouble…[/quote]
Angle is 39. Kimbo is 33.
I agree with Dana…….Lesnar is a NCAA champion in wresling and is even bigger and stronger than Kimbo……and even though Lesnar wasnt injured he sure could have been if he wasnt smart and tapped out….. i’m surprized that Lesnar’s ego didnt get the best of him…………..But for Kimbo…his ego i think would get the best of him….no holds bar….thats what Kimbo does BEST…..he should just stick to that.
Why does Dana talk about the minor leagues (according to him?) He’s just giving them the attention they want, his.
He should just stop mentioning Kimbo, Hong Man, Fedor, Barnett, all of these guys. If they aren’t in the UFC they shouldn’t exist to him. Just gives them the exposure they want.
Wanderlei rumored to be back at UFC 84
This card looks awesome so far, very competitve
http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/…5499&zoneid=14
UFC: MAY 24, 2008 IN LAS VEGAS
venue: MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas, Nevada
-B.J. Penn (#7 Lightweight in the World)* vs. Sean Sherk
-Lyoto Machida (#5 Light Heavyweight in the World)* vs. Tito Ortiz
-Rashad Evans vs. Thiago Silva
-Rousimar Palhares vs. Ivan Salaverry
-Wanderlei Silva (#8 Light Heavyweight in the World)* vs. TBA
bas’ word over dana’s
you cant compare kimbo to gannon anyway. dana is just talking down on kimbo because hes not affiliated with the ufc, he does that all the time
he just trying to talk them down,some of it may be true but use better points dana that fight was years ago and was suppose to be fists only kimbo was not prepared for grappling and would kill gannon now look what gannon looked like after the fight.i am not saying kimbo can compete in the ufc yet but he may get better he may not but this is just dana trying to bad mouth the comp but only makes himself look bad.
Can anyone tell me whats going on with Josh Barnett. I thought it was a done deal that he was fighting Aleksander emelienenko is April, but now reports have surfaced that he will be facing “The Great” Yoshida (in March) in a Victory Road event in Japan….Its either one or the other…anyone know which one it is?
Kimbo interview talking about Tank Abott…Kimbo is a scary dude..check it out:
http://www.sherdog.net/forums/showthread.php?threadid=725822
[quote comment=”296479″][quote comment=”296476″]how old is Kimbo anyways?? I like how someone like Kurt Angle is shunned when he talks about fighting becuase he’s so old…but Kimbo cant be much younger than Angle…Even if Bas gives his stamp of approval I dont take his word as gospel like most people (most people dont take in consideration that he makes money off of kimbo, so why would he talk bad about him)…they will keep handpicking fights and he will never fight tough comp, if he does he is in trouble…[/quote]
Angle is 39. Kimbo is 33.[/quote]
are you serious, he looks atleast 40
[quote comment=”296503″]Can anyone tell me whats going on with Josh Barnett. I thought it was a done deal that he was fighting Aleksander emelienenko is April, but now reports have surfaced that he will be facing “The Great” Yoshida (in March) in a Victory Road event in Japan….Its either one or the other…anyone know which one it is?[/quote]
Yoshida…from Josh myspace…apparently there is a big catch wrestling vs Judo war…anyways he said that the Aleks fight was never in the works and he didnt know where that came from…what a stupid fight…even though they UFC doesnt have ALL the best hw, they have all the best potential match ups..none of the best “free agents” are going to fight eachother
[quote comment=”296476″]how old is Kimbo anyways?? I like how someone like Kurt Angle is shunned when he talks about fighting becuase he’s so old…but Kimbo cant be much younger than Angle…Even if Bas gives his stamp of approval I dont take his word as gospel like most people (most people dont take in consideration that he makes money off of kimbo, so why would he talk bad about him)…they will keep handpicking fights and he will never fight tough comp, if he does he is in trouble…[/quote]
Kimbo is about 32yrs old I believe. The Gannon fight was when Kimbo knew nothing about MMA years ago and didn’t train like a professional.
DANA WHITE always bad mouths fighters that are not in the UFC, that’s nothing new.
Kimbo is doing it right, after this TANK Abbot fight, he’ll probably take on more respectable fighters and keep moving up.
Look what happened to LESNAR when he took on a former Champion.
It takes a few fights to gain experience in the cage 1st, before moving up to real opponents.
The dude is 1-0 in his professional career. Dana, do you remember that? He’s a humble fighter and knows he is still learning….WTF? Of course he’s not ready for the UFC….Give him some more time & fights and we’ll see..
[quote comment=”296482″]Why does Dana talk about the minor leagues (according to him?) He’s just giving them the attention they want, his.
He should just stop mentioning Kimbo, Hong Man, Fedor, Barnett, all of these guys. If they aren’t in the UFC they shouldn’t exist to him. Just gives them the exposure they want.[/quote]
Kimbo, Couture, Fedor, and Barnett, are not on the UFC roster so he wants to degrade them. You can add Tito Ortiz to that list in a few months.
[quote comment=”296513″][quote comment=”296503″]Can anyone tell me whats going on with Josh Barnett. I thought it was a done deal that he was fighting Aleksander emelienenko is April, but now reports have surfaced that he will be facing “The Great” Yoshida (in March) in a Victory Road event in Japan….Its either one or the other…anyone know which one it is?[/quote]
Yoshida…from Josh myspace…apparently there is a big catch wrestling vs Judo war…anyways he said that the Aleks fight was never in the works and he didnt know where that came from…what a stupid fight…even though they UFC doesnt have ALL the best hw, they have all the best potential match ups..none of the best “free agents” are going to fight eachother[/quote]
Thanks for clearing that up for me. What a shame, Marnett vs. Aleksander would have been a great fight on US soil..but Barnett is a Huge money draw in Japan, as is Yoshida…This match will be HUGE in Japan.
It really bothers me that UFC doesnt even attempt to try and sign Barnett. He is a former champion who although tested positive for roids..put a beating on Couture. Say what u want about Barnett but he has fought against better competition then any current UFC Heavyweight with the exception of Nogueira.
Andy: No Barnett isnt #3 IMO, but he is in the top 10 for sure, maybe even top 5. No matter what he is ranked, he has the ability to beat anyone in the UFC.
[quote comment=”296522″][quote comment=”296482″]Why does Dana talk about the minor leagues (according to him?) He’s just giving them the attention they want, his.
He should just stop mentioning Kimbo, Hong Man, Fedor, Barnett, all of these guys. If they aren’t in the UFC they shouldn’t exist to him. Just gives them the exposure they want.[/quote]
Kimbo, Couture, Fedor, and Barnett, are not on the UFC roster so he wants to degrade them. You can add Tito Ortiz to that list in a few months.[/quote]
I am sure Dana is going to start bashing Takanori Gomi soon as well.
Mania..great post! Dana white needs to stop acting so petty and shut his mouth about non-UFC fighters. The UFC is a supperior product to all the other mma orgainzations and is estimated at a billion dollars….and Dana runs it. So why be so petty and constantly Bash other “inferior” companies fighter? he makes himself look like an idiot.
His comments about Kombo are irrelevant. I am not some big Kimbo fan, but If Dana can throw a WWE fighter like Brock, in a co-main event of a major pay per view, the he should shut his dam mouth about Kimbo trying to work his way into MMA.
Mania, u brought up a good point that fighting Mercer and Tank isn’t going to help his cause (breaking into mma), but I think the only reason the match up against Tank was set up is because of All the hype, when Tank came in the cage and styarted talking trash. People will watch that fight, just like we all watched the Brock fight….CURIOSITY. I kind of put Brock and Kimbo in the same category: 2 Novice mma fighters, coming into a sport with a name already. Brock has showed to be taking his mma training seriously and we all praised him for it….According to BAS (who I have the out most respect for) Kimbo is doing the same thing. Bas has been praising Kimbo for months now. Brock is a wrestler with a big name, and Kimbo is striker who became an internet celebrity.. they both have a base to work with, and I hear the both have the work thic…so the jury is still out on both IMO…but they are headed in the right direction.
The only difference between the 2 is that Brock actually fought against a true mixed martial artist (Mir) and Kimbo has yet to do so. Unfortunately, EliteXC still does not have a great big stable of heavyweight fighters and is a step or 2 below the UFC. With that said this match up was just set up to appeal to the fans who love a brawl. Lets face it, when we aren’t talking about true well rounded martial artists, the fans would rather see 2 one-dimensional strikers fighting each other, then 2 one dimensional wrestlers grappling.
Dana needs to shut up because if he thinks Kimo cant compete with Eddie Sanchez or Sal Paleli…then he is just a fool who can never has an objective oppinion. All his oppinions are UFC fighters are the greatest, and anyone that he cant sign or isnt signed to the UFC sucks… I think he makes himself look really stupid to true, knowledgable mma fans!
Randy disrespecting a legend!!!
Ok, Randy is a huge role model in MMA, hes achieved so much in his career thus far and wants to finish it off against Fedor (fair enough). Whilst he has been in this dispute with the UFC for whatever reason another legend of the sport who has acheived as much as Randy has ended up with (interim) HW title by subbing 1 of the 2 guys Randy beat in his comeback.
Minotauro for me is already more of a legend than Randy for many reasons.
1) He’s been the champ of 4 different organisations, most notible are Pride & UFC.
2) He has given us war after war after war proving his heart and BJJ skills are the best by a long way.
3) His record is only tarnished by 3 different fighters - Fedor (2), Hendo (dodgy decision) and Barnett (split decision) he went on to avenge his losses to Hendo and Barnett so the only man he hasn’t avenged is Fedor.
4) He has fought 36 times losing only 4 whilst Randy has fought 24 times losing 8, a few of which are at 205.
5) He has achieved the highest accolades in both cage and ring.
Basically what im getting at is the fact that Randy has overlooked Minotauro to get his fight with Fedor, and Minotauro deserves his shot at becoming the undisputed HW champ by fighting Randy. I kind of feel sorry for Minotauro because he was calling Randy out after his win on saturday because he obviously feels like he isnt the Champ until he fights Randy.
Come on Randy you have 2 fights left in you!
No shit he would get hurt in the ufc he only has had one mma fight against a nobody, he still has a long way to go. WAIT TO POINT OUT THE OBVIOUS DANA!!!!!!!!!
Kimbo will never have a title or be a true contender. He needs to stick to the streets and the parking lots.
I would also take Bas’ word over Dana Monday to Saturday and twice on Sunday. Dana badmouths anybody not under his flag. Bas has always been a straight shooter. If he believes Kimbo has what it takes, then I’m with him on that.
[quote comment=”296478″]Mania..great post! Dana white needs to stop acting so petty and shut his mouth about non-UFC fighters. The UFC is a supperior product to all the other mma orgainzations and is estimated at a billion dollars….and Dana runs it. So why be so petty and constantly Bash other “inferior” companies fighter? he makes himself look like an idiot.
His comments about Kombo are irrelevant. I am not some big Kimbo fan, but If Dana can throw a WWE fighter like Brock, in a co-main event of a major pay per view, the he should shut his dam mouth about Kimbo trying to work his way into MMA.
Mania, u brought up a good point that fighting Mercer and Tank isn’t going to help his cause (breaking into mma), but I think the only reason the match up against Tank was set up is because of All the hype, when Tank came in the cage and styarted talking trash. People will watch that fight, just like we all watched the Brock fight….CURIOSITY. I kind of put Brock and Kimbo in the same category: 2 Novice mma fighters, coming into a sport with a name already. Brock has showed to be taking his mma training seriously and we all praised him for it….According to BAS (who I have the out most respect for) Kimbo is doing the same thing. Bas has been praising Kimbo for months now. Brock is a wrestler with a big name, and Kimbo is striker who became an internet celebrity.. they both have a base to work with, and I hear the both have the work thic…so the jury is still out on both IMO…but they are headed in the right direction.
The only difference between the 2 is that Brock actually fought against a true mixed martial artist (Mir) and Kimbo has yet to do so. Unfortunately, EliteXC still does not have a great big stable of heavyweight fighters and is a step or 2 below the UFC. With that said this match up was just set up to appeal to the fans who love a brawl. Lets face it, when we aren’t talking about true well rounded martial artists, the fans would rather see 2 one-dimensional strikers fighting each other, then 2 one dimensional wrestlers grappling.
Dana needs to shut up because if he thinks Kimo cant compete with Eddie Sanchez or Sal Paleli…then he is just a fool who can never has an objective oppinion. All his oppinions are UFC fighters are the greatest, and anyone that he cant sign or isnt signed to the UFC sucks… I think he makes himself look really stupid to true, knowledgable mma fans![/quote]
Like everyone else, including you, Dana is entitled to his opinion and also like you, is allowed to express it. If he thinks Kimbo would get clowned in the UFC, thats his opinion and he has a right to it. The difference between the two of you is that he has a lot more credibility.
[quote comment=”296526″][quote comment=”296522″][quote comment=”296482″]Why does Dana talk about the minor leagues (according to him?) He’s just giving them the attention they want, his.
He should just stop mentioning Kimbo, Hong Man, Fedor, Barnett, all of these guys. If they aren’t in the UFC they shouldn’t exist to him. Just gives them the exposure they want.[/quote]
Kimbo, Couture, Fedor, and Barnett, are not on the UFC roster so he wants to degrade them. You can add Tito Ortiz to that list in a few months.[/quote]
I am sure Dana is going to start bashing Takanori Gomi soon as well.[/quote]
I totally agree with this line of thinking…typical Dana!
Dana hates everything not UFC, if you ask him Fador is not even top ten. No doubt Kimbo has some work to do and I hope Tank whips that ass but, he could still compete with the likes of the pussy Tim Sylvia and a lot of other UFC heavy weight.
when is his fight with Abbott?
[quote comment=”296575″][quote comment=”296478″]Mania..great post! Dana white needs to stop acting so petty and shut his mouth about non-UFC fighters. The UFC is a supperior product to all the other mma orgainzations and is estimated at a billion dollars….and Dana runs it. So why be so petty and constantly Bash other “inferior” companies fighter? he makes himself look like an idiot.
His comments about Kombo are irrelevant. I am not some big Kimbo fan, but If Dana can throw a WWE fighter like Brock, in a co-main event of a major pay per view, the he should shut his dam mouth about Kimbo trying to work his way into MMA.
Mania, u brought up a good point that fighting Mercer and Tank isn’t going to help his cause (breaking into mma), but I think the only reason the match up against Tank was set up is because of All the hype, when Tank came in the cage and styarted talking trash. People will watch that fight, just like we all watched the Brock fight….CURIOSITY. I kind of put Brock and Kimbo in the same category: 2 Novice mma fighters, coming into a sport with a name already. Brock has showed to be taking his mma training seriously and we all praised him for it….According to BAS (who I have the out most respect for) Kimbo is doing the same thing. Bas has been praising Kimbo for months now. Brock is a wrestler with a big name, and Kimbo is striker who became an internet celebrity.. they both have a base to work with, and I hear the both have the work thic…so the jury is still out on both IMO…but they are headed in the right direction.
The only difference between the 2 is that Brock actually fought against a true mixed martial artist (Mir) and Kimbo has yet to do so. Unfortunately, EliteXC still does not have a great big stable of heavyweight fighters and is a step or 2 below the UFC. With that said this match up was just set up to appeal to the fans who love a brawl. Lets face it, when we aren’t talking about true well rounded martial artists, the fans would rather see 2 one-dimensional strikers fighting each other, then 2 one dimensional wrestlers grappling.
Dana needs to shut up because if he thinks Kimo cant compete with Eddie Sanchez or Sal Paleli…then he is just a fool who can never has an objective oppinion. All his oppinions are UFC fighters are the greatest, and anyone that he cant sign or isnt signed to the UFC sucks… I think he makes himself look really stupid to true, knowledgable mma fans![/quote]
Like everyone else, including you, Dana is entitled to his opinion and also like you, is allowed to express it. If he thinks Kimbo would get clowned in the UFC, thats his opinion and he has a right to it. The difference between the two of you is that he has a lot more credibility.[/quote]
The problem with Dana is that he never offers any unbiased oppinions. If he really felt that way, I would respect that but time and time again Dana has bashed every fighter that he couldnt sign or that was not fighting in the UFC. He said Fedor isnt even top 5…can u sit there and tell me that it is an unbiased oppinion?
[quote post=”4827″]Dana needs to shut up because if he thinks Kimo cant compete with Eddie Sanchez or Sal Paleli…then he is just a fool who can never has an objective oppinion. All his oppinions are UFC fighters are the greatest, and anyone that he cant sign or isnt signed to the UFC sucks… I think he makes himself look really stupid to true, knowledgable mma fans! [/quote]
Exactly. If you’re in the UFC, you’re the greatest. If you’re not with the UFC, you can’t compete. Its as simple as that when it comes to Dana assessing talent. What a joke. Of course Kimbo can’t come in right now and beat Nogueira, but like John said, he sure as hell can beat some people in the current HW division. Like UFC fans wouldn’t want to see Kimbo vs Antoni Hardonk on the undercard of a PPV?
A retarded comment from someone in Dana White’s position…
if fighter A beats fighter B , blah blah blah…anyone who knows MMA knows thats a ridiculous rule of thumb
[quote comment=”296548″]Randy disrespecting a legend!!!
Ok, Randy is a huge role model in MMA, hes achieved so much in his career thus far and wants to finish it off against Fedor (fair enough). Whilst he has been in this dispute with the UFC for whatever reason another legend of the sport who has acheived as much as Randy has ended up with (interim) HW title by subbing 1 of the 2 guys Randy beat in his comeback.
Minotauro for me is already more of a legend than Randy for many reasons.
1) He’s been the champ of 4 different organisations, most notible are Pride & UFC.
2) He has given us war after war after war proving his heart and BJJ skills are the best by a long way.
3) His record is only tarnished by 3 different fighters - Fedor (2), Hendo (dodgy decision) and Barnett (split decision) he went on to avenge his losses to Hendo and Barnett so the only man he hasn’t avenged is Fedor.
4) He has fought 36 times losing only 4 whilst Randy has fought 24 times losing 8, a few of which are at 205.
5) He has achieved the highest accolades in both cage and ring.
Basically what im getting at is the fact that Randy has overlooked Minotauro to get his fight with Fedor, and Minotauro deserves his shot at becoming the undisputed HW champ by fighting Randy. I kind of feel sorry for Minotauro because he was calling Randy out after his win on saturday because he obviously feels like he isnt the Champ until he fights Randy.
Come on Randy you have 2 fights left in you![/quote]
Randy should return to the octagon to fight Noguiera, 100%. If he beats Nog, then he can stand in the center of the octagon and say “I proved time and time again that I am the greatest HW fighter of all time. And if anyone, yeah, you Fedor, wants to prove me wrong, BRING IT, or I’ll come to you, but the fight WILL happen.”
And if Randy should lose to Nog, than a Fedor/Randy fight wouldn’t even be as big of a deal. As a matter of fact, it wouldn’t even need to happen. If Randy can’t be Nog, he doesn’t dserve for every mma organization to bend over backwards so he can fight Fedor.
I’ll be a Randy fan for life, but he needs to fight Nog. I actually think that currenty, Nog is a much more decorated and experienced than the natural. Randy love the roll of the underdog…
*** Tim Sylvia needs to drop to LHW***
I think with the proper diet(8-ball per day) and no sleep, Tim could cut to 205 and be a real force!
…but seriously.
What does Sylvia do now? If Kongo beats Hearing he has to get matched up against Sylvia…that will be the most exciting fight Tim Sylvia will ever be a part of. Sylvia already called Kongo out…so Dana and Joe Silva needs to make it happen. I dont get excited for Sylvia’s fights but if he fights in “attack mode” (like he did in a loosing effort against Nogueira) against Kongo, it could be one of the best HW striking bouts we seen in a while.
kimbo sucks always will…go back to the ghetto.
shit bas sucks too
Dana needs to keep his mouth shut about Kimbo… How can he bring up the Gannon fight like it’s relevant? That fight was like 4 years ago, and Kimbo was an out of shape street fighter. Now he’s in shape, training with one of the all-time greats, and has some octagon experience under his belt.
I say Kimbo beats Tank and goes on to win a belt in EliteXC… if not, he will still be a top contender. I think he would do just fine in the UFC. Dana is just pissed off because he didn’t sign him and he has a personal vendetta against Gary Shaw, so any chance he gets he bags on EliteXC… which is stupid because like someone else said, he is just giving them attention.
[quote comment=”BE296606″][quote comment=”296575″][quote comment=”296478″]Mania..great post! Dana white needs to stop acting so petty and shut his mouth about non-UFC fighters. The UFC is a supperior product to all the other mma orgainzations and is estimated at a billion dollars….and Dana runs it. So why be so petty and constantly Bash other “inferior” companies fighter? he makes himself look like an idiot.
His comments about Kombo are irrelevant. I am not some big Kimbo fan, but If Dana can throw a WWE fighter like Brock, in a co-main event of a major pay per view, the he should shut his dam mouth about Kimbo trying to work his way into MMA.
Mania, u brought up a good point that fighting Mercer and Tank isn’t going to help his cause (breaking into mma), but I think the only reason the match up against Tank was set up is because of All the hype, when Tank came in the cage and styarted talking trash. People will watch that fight, just like we all watched the Brock fight….CURIOSITY. I kind of put Brock and Kimbo in the same category: 2 Novice mma fighters, coming into a sport with a name already. Brock has showed to be taking his mma training seriously and we all praised him for it….According to BAS (who I have the out most respect for) Kimbo is doing the same thing. Bas has been praising Kimbo for months now. Brock is a wrestler with a big name, and Kimbo is striker who became an internet celebrity.. they both have a base to work with, and I hear the both have the work thic…so the jury is still out on both IMO…but they are headed in the right direction.
The only difference between the 2 is that Brock actually fought against a true mixed martial artist (Mir) and Kimbo has yet to do so. Unfortunately, EliteXC still does not have a great big stable of heavyweight fighters and is a step or 2 below the UFC. With that said this match up was just set up to appeal to the fans who love a brawl. Lets face it, when we aren’t talking about true well rounded martial artists, the fans would rather see 2 one-dimensional strikers fighting each other, then 2 one dimensional wrestlers grappling.
Dana needs to shut up because if he thinks Kimo cant compete with Eddie Sanchez or Sal Paleli…then he is just a fool who can never has an objective oppinion. All his oppinions are UFC fighters are the greatest, and anyone that he cant sign or isnt signed to the UFC sucks… I think he makes himself look really stupid to true, knowledgable mma fans![/quote]
Like everyone else, including you, Dana is entitled to his opinion and also like you, is allowed to express it. If he thinks Kimbo would get clowned in the UFC, thats his opinion and he has a right to it. The difference between the two of you is that he has a lot more credibility.[/quote]
The problem with Dana is that he never offers any unbiased oppinions. If he really felt that way, I would respect that but time and time again Dana has bashed every fighter that he couldnt sign or that was not fighting in the UFC. He said Fedor isnt even top 5…can u sit there and tell me that it is an unbiased oppinion?[/quote]
Kimbo is a punk of the STREET brock is a 2 time ncaa national champion and a freak of nature kimbo has knocked out guys half his size in street fights come on your right about dana should chill on bashing anyone non ufc…..and just be happy that the sport is becoming so big and love that he has contributed alot to it coming so big….but brock has a good career ahead of him
[quote comment=”296575″][quote comment=”296478″]Mania..great post! Dana white needs to stop acting so petty and shut his mouth about non-UFC fighters. The UFC is a supperior product to all the other mma orgainzations and is estimated at a billion dollars….and Dana runs it. So why be so petty and constantly Bash other “inferior” companies fighter? he makes himself look like an idiot.
His comments about Kombo are irrelevant. I am not some big Kimbo fan, but If Dana can throw a WWE fighter like Brock, in a co-main event of a major pay per view, the he should shut his dam mouth about Kimbo trying to work his way into MMA.
Mania, u brought up a good point that fighting Mercer and Tank isn’t going to help his cause (breaking into mma), but I think the only reason the match up against Tank was set up is because of All the hype, when Tank came in the cage and styarted talking trash. People will watch that fight, just like we all watched the Brock fight….CURIOSITY. I kind of put Brock and Kimbo in the same category: 2 Novice mma fighters, coming into a sport with a name already. Brock has showed to be taking his mma training seriously and we all praised him for it….According to BAS (who I have the out most respect for) Kimbo is doing the same thing. Bas has been praising Kimbo for months now. Brock is a wrestler with a big name, and Kimbo is striker who became an internet celebrity.. they both have a base to work with, and I hear the both have the work thic…so the jury is still out on both IMO…but they are headed in the right direction.
The only difference between the 2 is that Brock actually fought against a true mixed martial artist (Mir) and Kimbo has yet to do so. Unfortunately, EliteXC still does not have a great big stable of heavyweight fighters and is a step or 2 below the UFC. With that said this match up was just set up to appeal to the fans who love a brawl. Lets face it, when we aren’t talking about true well rounded martial artists, the fans would rather see 2 one-dimensional strikers fighting each other, then 2 one dimensional wrestlers grappling.
Dana needs to shut up because if he thinks Kimo cant compete with Eddie Sanchez or Sal Paleli…then he is just a fool who can never has an objective oppinion. All his oppinions are UFC fighters are the greatest, and anyone that he cant sign or isnt signed to the UFC sucks… I think he makes himself look really stupid to true, knowledgable mma fans![/quote]
Like everyone else, including you, Dana is entitled to his opinion and also like you, is allowed to express it. If he thinks Kimbo would get clowned in the UFC, thats his opinion and he has a right to it. The difference between the two of you is that he has a lot more credibility.[/quote]
It’s true that Dana is entitled to his opinion, but I completely disagree about his credibility. Dana is a salesman, pure and simple. He will say whatever it takes to get you to buy his product over another. How can you say that his statements, ridiculous shit like “Rampage beating Liddell is like Buster Douglas beating Tyson” and “Fedor is not even top 5,” give him any credibility whatsoever?? I’d trust a total stranger’s word over Dana’s when it comes to MMA.
[quote comment=”296613″][quote comment=”296548″]Randy disrespecting a legend!!!
Ok, Randy is a huge role model in MMA, hes achieved so much in his career thus far and wants to finish it off against Fedor (fair enough). Whilst he has been in this dispute with the UFC for whatever reason another legend of the sport who has acheived as much as Randy has ended up with (interim) HW title by subbing 1 of the 2 guys Randy beat in his comeback.
Minotauro for me is already more of a legend than Randy for many reasons.
1) He’s been the champ of 4 different organisations, most notible are Pride & UFC.
2) He has given us war after war after war proving his heart and BJJ skills are the best by a long way.
3) His record is only tarnished by 3 different fighters - Fedor (2), Hendo (dodgy decision) and Barnett (split decision) he went on to avenge his losses to Hendo and Barnett so the only man he hasn’t avenged is Fedor.
4) He has fought 36 times losing only 4 whilst Randy has fought 24 times losing 8, a few of which are at 205.
5) He has achieved the highest accolades in both cage and ring.
Basically what im getting at is the fact that Randy has overlooked Minotauro to get his fight with Fedor, and Minotauro deserves his shot at becoming the undisputed HW champ by fighting Randy. I kind of feel sorry for Minotauro because he was calling Randy out after his win on saturday because he obviously feels like he isnt the Champ until he fights Randy.
Come on Randy you have 2 fights left in you![/quote]
Randy should return to the octagon to fight Noguiera, 100%. If he beats Nog, then he can stand in the center of the octagon and say “I proved time and time again that I am the greatest HW fighter of all time. And if anyone, yeah, you Fedor, wants to prove me wrong, BRING IT, or I’ll come to you, but the fight WILL happen.”
And if Randy should lose to Nog, than a Fedor/Randy fight wouldn’t even be as big of a deal. As a matter of fact, it wouldn’t even need to happen. If Randy can’t be Nog, he doesn’t dserve for every mma organization to bend over backwards so he can fight Fedor.
I’ll be a Randy fan for life, but he needs to fight Nog. I actually think that currenty, Nog is a much more decorated and experienced than the natural. Randy love the roll of the underdog…[/quote]
I think Randy should take this fight! Not because Dana wants it, but because its a great opportunity to put an exclmation mark on his legacy. Nogueira has been ranked above randy since 2003. He finished the man (Tim) that Randy won a decision against. If Randy were to except this fight it would be the biggest and most important fight of his life and for it to go down in the octagon…what more could he ask for. Randy hasnt had the chance to fight a highly ranked heavyweight, since loosing to Barnett (a while back). Lets face it, Tim isn’t in the elite class as Nogueira, Fedor, Couture and Barnett. So Randy should relish this opportunity to fight Nogueira on his home court (the UFC) NOW, instead of chasing Fedor into a ring, where he is at a big disadvantage because his cage tactics are useless. Not to mention if and when the Fedor fight happens, it will be a year later and sooner or later age has to catch up to the man.
Nogueira has clearly fought much togher competiion at heavyweight then Randy has. If you want to mention that Randy also moved down in weight to fight Liddell (twice), tito and Vitot….Well Nogueira fought Henderson twice…
Randy can be as made at Dana has he wants, but the reality is this is the opportunity of his life…he should take it. Also, with Randy bashing the UFC and leaving, I am sure he can command more money in order to fight Nogueira.
Randy…Time to get in that superman booth and suite up…
[quote comment=”296606″][quote comment=”296575″][quote comment=”296478″]Mania..great post! Dana white needs to stop acting so petty and shut his mouth about non-UFC fighters. The UFC is a supperior product to all the other mma orgainzations and is estimated at a billion dollars….and Dana runs it. So why be so petty and constantly Bash other “inferior” companies fighter? he makes himself look like an idiot.
His comments about Kombo are irrelevant. I am not some big Kimbo fan, but If Dana can throw a WWE fighter like Brock, in a co-main event of a major pay per view, the he should shut his dam mouth about Kimbo trying to work his way into MMA.
Mania, u brought up a good point that fighting Mercer and Tank isn’t going to help his cause (breaking into mma), but I think the only reason the match up against Tank was set up is because of All the hype, when Tank came in the cage and styarted talking trash. People will watch that fight, just like we all watched the Brock fight….CURIOSITY. I kind of put Brock and Kimbo in the same category: 2 Novice mma fighters, coming into a sport with a name already. Brock has showed to be taking his mma training seriously and we all praised him for it….According to BAS (who I have the out most respect for) Kimbo is doing the same thing. Bas has been praising Kimbo for months now. Brock is a wrestler with a big name, and Kimbo is striker who became an internet celebrity.. they both have a base to work with, and I hear the both have the work thic…so the jury is still out on both IMO…but they are headed in the right direction.
The only difference between the 2 is that Brock actually fought against a true mixed martial artist (Mir) and Kimbo has yet to do so. Unfortunately, EliteXC still does not have a great big stable of heavyweight fighters and is a step or 2 below the UFC. With that said this match up was just set up to appeal to the fans who love a brawl. Lets face it, when we aren’t talking about true well rounded martial artists, the fans would rather see 2 one-dimensional strikers fighting each other, then 2 one dimensional wrestlers grappling.
Dana needs to shut up because if he thinks Kimo cant compete with Eddie Sanchez or Sal Paleli…then he is just a fool who can never has an objective oppinion. All his oppinions are UFC fighters are the greatest, and anyone that he cant sign or isnt signed to the UFC sucks… I think he makes himself look really stupid to true, knowledgable mma fans![/quote]
Like everyone else, including you, Dana is entitled to his opinion and also like you, is allowed to express it. If he thinks Kimbo would get clowned in the UFC, thats his opinion and he has a right to it. The difference between the two of you is that he has a lot more credibility.[/quote]
The problem with Dana is that he never offers any unbiased oppinions. If he really felt that way, I would respect that but time and time again Dana has bashed every fighter that he couldnt sign or that was not fighting in the UFC. He said Fedor isnt even top 5…can u sit there and tell me that it is an unbiased oppinion?[/quote]
dana has more credilitity? what are you taking about he constantly bad mouths other fighters just cause there not with the ufc not based on any fact throws out reasons that hold no merit and you beleave he is credible.if he stated facts about his comments then maybe but his reasonings are way off
Dana says that “Kimbo Slice would get hurt bad — real bad in the UFC.”
Boy, is that the understatement of the year! He might get killed!
[quote comment=”296475″]thatd adrian guy never stood a chance. he was walking away after a punch of two, haha. kimbo is training hard now though, he shouldnt be knocked for that. r[/quote.
this may come as a big surprise but that adrian kid is a lot bigger now…but i got expelled from lake brantley highschool for beating him down…not saying it would happen again but it wasnt that long ago….he is a BAR fighter at most…but if that is the best ko they can find….good luck JIMBO SLICE i hope u get that nappy beard knocked right off your ugly face…by tank abbott
Kimbo is smart for taking some cans in the begining. Look at what happend to Brock!! Get your feet wet and move up the ladder slowly. He is only 33 he has plenty of time.
[quote comment=”296651″]Dana says that “Kimbo Slice would get hurt bad — real bad in the UFC.”
Boy, is that the understatement of the year! He might get killed![/quote]
nah mate - he’s a born fighter being trained by a legend. A lot of the guys in the ufc are looking for a paycheck, they wernt born swingin like kimbo. He’d survive in the UFC - if they can have fighters like sanchez and that bum he fought last then kimbo could fit in nicely
Zuffa for sale?
Didn’t see this posted anywhere:
http://www.mmapayout.com/2008/02/zuf…go-public.html
This weekend rumors that Zuffa and the UFC are for sale went public in a radio interview between Steve Cofield and Dana White. Sam Caplan has a transcript of the relevant exchange at FiveOuncesofPain.com. When asked if the company was for sale, White essentially said that everything has a price and that there have been unsolicited bids, but that the company was not actively shopping for buyers.
MMAPayout.com first heard that the company was for sale back in December. At that time, the rumored asking price was in the neighborhood of $220 million with the profile of the prospective buyer being described as a media company, preferably international. Including the company’s $350 million debt, that asking price would put Zuffa’s value at more than half a billion dollars. Since then sources have told MMAPayout.com that the rumored asking price is significantly higher.
Many in the industry believe that the company’s major, some would say quixotic, international expansion effort is related to its rumored sale
[quote comment=”296746″][quote comment=”296651″]Dana says that “Kimbo Slice would get hurt bad — real bad in the UFC.”
Boy, is that the understatement of the year! He might get killed![/quote]
nah mate - he’s a born fighter being trained by a legend. A lot of the guys in the ufc are looking for a paycheck, they wernt born swingin like kimbo. He’d survive in the UFC - if they can have fighters like sanchez and that bum he fought last then kimbo could fit in nicely[/quote]
I completely agree! He has got that fight in him…and like u said he is training with a real legend in Bas Rutten. As long as his cardio is good and he developes takedown defense, this guy can BANG in the UFC
[quote comment=”296733″]Kimbo is smart for taking some cans in the begining. Look at what happend to Brock!! Get your feet wet and move up the ladder slowly. He is only 33 he has plenty of time.[/quote]
Please don’t mention Kimbo and Brock in the same sentence. Kimbo will never go anywhere in this sport. Lesnar will be a top 5 heavy weight in the UFC in the next year. No comparison with these two guys.
[quote comment=”296746″][quote comment=”296651″]Dana says that “Kimbo Slice would get hurt bad — real bad in the UFC.”
Boy, is that the understatement of the year! He might get killed![/quote]
nah mate - he’s a born fighter being trained by a legend. A lot of the guys in the ufc are looking for a paycheck, they wernt born swingin like kimbo. He’d survive in the UFC - if they can have fighters like sanchez and that bum he fought last then kimbo could fit in nicely[/quote]
Nah mate..you will see. If Kimbo gets past Tank Abbott he’ll lose to the next guy he fights. And I don’t care who’s training him.
Do people really think that Lesnar is just some guy off the street………..the Man has a NCAA record of 106-5 and was an NCAA champion!!!!
[quote comment=”296775″]Do people really think that Lesnar is just some guy off the street………..the Man has a NCAA record of 106-5 and was an NCAA champion!!!![/quote]
Bruce..I know. Some of these people just don’t get it. How does one compare Kimbo Slice to Brock Lesnar? It’s beyond me.
I can appreciate most of what dANA wHITE SAYS BECAUSE HE ALWAYS SAYS WHAT5 IS on his mind and doesn’t sugar coat it. He speaks the truth even if half of what he says is the truth coming out of his ass.
I can’t beleive Dana would dis Bas Rutten like that. As far as I know it Bas is like randy, in that he has remarkable integrity. Sometimes I think if you hooked up Dana White to a polygraph machine it would just explode.
[quote comment=”296785″][quote comment=”296775″]Do people really think that Lesnar is just some guy off the street………..the Man has a NCAA record of 106-5 and was an NCAA champion!!!![/quote]
Bruce..I know. Some of these people just don’t get it. How does one compare Kimbo Slice to Brock Lesnar? It’s beyond me.[/quote]
MMA is a fight! wrestling is not fighting. Its about takedowns and defense. We have never even seen Brock punched in the face yet. His NCAA record tells me he can take people down PERIOD. After he got Mir down he was so excited and Frantic that he couldnt even restrain from hitting Mir repeatedly in the back of the head. At least Kimbo is a fighter, and with the right training and dedication, who the hell r we to say he cant become a solid mma fighter? We give brock the benefit of the doubt because he is taking his training serious…but I hear the same things about Kimbo and Kimbo has the best trainer possible. I am not saing KIMBO will become an mma god…what I am saying is at this oint in time he has as good of a chance as Brock does of becoming a solid mma fighter. Kimbo can take a solid shot to the face…I dont know that about Brock yet!!!!
[quote comment=”296859″]I can’t beleive Dana would dis Bas Rutten like that. As far as I know it Bas is like randy, in that he has remarkable integrity. Sometimes I think if you hooked up Dana White to a polygraph machine it would just explode.[/quote]
Yeah, I hear u…he is 1 step away from turning into the White, bald don King…As Matt Hughes would say… “He needs Jesus”!lol
not really danas place to badmouth a guy whos just starting in mma
he has every right to compete in the same way that brock does
its way too early to judge how hed fare against a ufc HW as noone has ever seen the mma kimbo actually fight
i dont know who hes going to fight to get mma experience as tank is another streetfight
its tough as there really arent that many HW out there who would give him credibility.. especially ones who either arent on ufc contracts or are soon to leave ufc contracts … its too soon to put him in with josh barnett or randy or fedor or AA who should be looking for a new company soon
maybe someone like ken shamrock would be a decent opponent to guage him against also maybe someone like tito in the not too distant future…would be a massive ppv draw
guy up top kurt angle is written off due to his frikkin broken neck
he has serious health issues and its a doubt if hed ever get through a medical
[quote comment=”296598″]when is his fight with Abbott?[/quote]
feb. 16 on showtime
as an aside, these 2 johns using the same name is confusing. i wish mania could do something about the new fake John making the original John look bad.