“There’s no shame in losing. I lost my first amateur wrestling match as a kid. My coach told me when I was wanting to quit, that you first have to lose before you learn how not to lose. I don’t like to lose so I have to learn not to lose in this sport…. Obviously I’m disappointed, but it was a great experience. I must have worked on defending that leglock 1,000 times maybe. I thought I was going to get out…. I’m here for as long as I can fight here. I love what I’m doing. The company has been great.”
– Former WWE superstar, Brock Lesnar, reflects on his submission loss to Frank Mir at UFC 81: “Breaking Point” last night via Yahoo!Sports.com during his Octagon debut. He looked unstoppable in the early part of the fight, but he just got caught. Blame it on a deadly cocktail of inexperience and adrenaline or what have you, but I’d pay to see him fight again. That was an action-packed, edge-of-your seat 90 seconds.
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I was waiting for Stone Cold to run in there and give a stone cold stunner to Mir while the ref had his back turned…
he shouldnt be ashamed.. the ref shouldve never restarted them.and stood them up. the match before there was an elbow to the back of the head, never called.
brock shouldve won he deserves to fight in the ufc cant wait for the next poor victim to fight him..
The ref standing them up had nothing to do with the outcome other than letting Mir recover from an illegal blow to the back of the head. Mir was on his back again in 5 seconds and in the same position.
It was a good stand up.
Great fight!
theguy
hope brock come back for this defeat, at least now the pressure is off him.
I thought Mir’s head was going to come off with those hammers coming down! Lesnar is going to be tuff as a HW, he will mix up that division nicely! You have to gime Mir props for hanging in there and get the lock!
L E S N A R vs. S Y L V I A
That was the most impressive 90 second loss I’ve ever seen. Brock is a superhero, and one scary dude. He definitely has nothing to be ashamed about.
I was trying to explain to my wife (who watches all the fights with me) why this was such a toss-up. Brock has the strength, speed, and agility to dominate in heavyweights — the problem is that they put him against a Jiu Jitsu legend that can stop anyone at anytime.
Even if he’s getting pounded in the face by Johnny Bravo.
[quote post=”4797″]The ref standing them up had nothing to do with the outcome other than letting Mir recover from an illegal blow to the back of the head. Mir was on his back again in 5 seconds and in the same position.
It was a good stand up.[/quote]
definately not, did you see GSP vs Hughes III, how many warnings did GSP get without ever being stood up or having a point taken away.
He was raining down unanswered blows as Mir turned into a turtle and rolled over. turning your body so the blows go from your face to the back of head is not intelligently defending yourself.
That should have been a warning and nothing more.
I’ve heard a lot of ppl in other sites saying “Bye Brock” and all this crap. Yet those same ppl would buy another PPV to see Brock lose, and Brock still has his fans that want to see him win. If anything, Brock’s star grew bigger after this fight. He was also very humble in defeat. Good fight by Brock, great fight by Mir.
You have to give broc some credit not many people make their octagon debut against such a tough opponent. In addition Mir is the worst kind of opponent for him. Styles make fights and Mir’s style is the best counter to Broc strength and wresting base
brock is my man!
Guy Mezger beat Tito in his first big fight with a silly submission. Hallman easily subbed Matt Hughes. GSP got clowned by Hughes in his title fight.
Lesnar has proven that he has more heart and drive than guys like Kevin Jackson and Kevin Randleman and others who had the potential to become gigantic stars but it fell through because of the fact that they got schooled by well-rounded fighters.
Lesnar has a great camp and a great attitude toward fighting. He will be top five one day as long as he doesn’t pull a Bob Sapp.
[quote comment=”292840″]The ref standing them up had nothing to do with the outcome other than letting Mir recover from an illegal blow to the back of the head. Mir was on his back again in 5 seconds and in the same position.
It was a good stand up.
Great fight!
theguy[/quote]
Are you kidding me? How many guys have been struck in the back of the head like five times and not even gotten more than a warning? It was a completely arbitrary decision and unforgiving to a green Lesnar. Mir probably would of still won but it definitely may have played into Lesnar becoming so aggressive.
[quote comment=”292823″]he shouldnt be ashamed.. the ref shouldve never restarted them.and stood them up. the match before there was an elbow to the back of the head, never called.
brock shouldve won he deserves to fight in the ufc cant wait for the next poor victim to fight him..[/quote]
Brock illegally hit Mir in the back of the head. That is a foul. Just becasue a ref didn’t stop a early fit for the same thing doesn’t make it right. That’s like saying OJ Simpson got away with murder so I can kill someone.
Anyways Lesnar did look very impressive I thought. Give him a couple more years of jits and he’s going to be a contender.
[quote comment=”292858″][quote post=”4797″]The ref standing them up had nothing to do with the outcome other than letting Mir recover from an illegal blow to the back of the head. Mir was on his back again in 5 seconds and in the same position.
It was a good stand up.[/quote]
definately not, did you see GSP vs Hughes III, how many warnings did GSP get without ever being stood up or having a point taken away.
He was raining down unanswered blows as Mir turned into a turtle and rolled over. turning your body so the blows go from your face to the back of head is not intelligently defending yourself.
That should have been a warning and nothing more.[/quote]
An illegal blow is an illegal blow. Just because a fighter shows the back of his head does not give his opponent the right to rabbit punch him, in this case it was big hammer fist; rabbit punches are extremely dangerous/life threatening. A fighter should be allowed to recover and that is what the ref did.
Taking off a point was a judgment call, the ref may have thought that Mir was facing away long enough that Lesner should have had enough time/control not to through that dangerous hammer fist. There were other striking opportunities and paths of aggression that were open to Lesner.
Rabbit punches blow, they can really screw up a competition. I am looking forward to watching Lesner fight again. That guy is exciting.
theguy
[quote comment=”292858″][quote post=”4797″]The ref standing them up had nothing to do with the outcome other than letting Mir recover from an illegal blow to the back of the head. Mir was on his back again in 5 seconds and in the same position.
It was a good stand up.[/quote]
definitely not, did you see GSP vs Hughes III, how many warnings did GSP get without ever being stood up or having a point taken away.
He was raining down unanswered blows as Mir turned into a turtle and rolled over. turning your body so the blows go from your face to the back of head is not intelligently defending yourself.
That should have been a warning and nothing more.[/quote]
An illegal blow is an illegal blow. Just because a fighter shows the back of his head does not give his opponent the right to rabbit punch him, in this case it was big hammer fist; rabbit punches are extremely dangerous/life threatening. A fighter should be allowed to recover and that is what the ref did.
Taking off a point was a judgment call, the ref may have thought that Mir was facing away long enough that Lesner should have had enough time/control not to through that dangerous hammer fist. There were other striking opportunities and paths of aggression that were open to Lesner.
Rabbit punches blow, they can really screw up a competition. I am looking forward to watching Lesner fight again. That guy is exciting.
theguy
[quote comment=”292912″][quote comment=”292840″]The ref standing them up had nothing to do with the outcome other than letting Mir recover from an illegal blow to the back of the head. Mir was on his back again in 5 seconds and in the same position.
It was a good stand up.
Great fight!
theguy[/quote]
Are you kidding me? How many guys have been struck in the back of the head like five times and not even gotten more than a warning? It was a completely arbitrary decision and unforgiving to a green Lesnar. Mir probably would of still won but it definitely may have played into Lesnar becoming so aggressive.[/quote]
I am pretty sure he thew the rabbit punch out of excitement.
If Lesner lost his cool due to the call thats entirely his own doing. The ref cannot be blamed for that; the situation was entirely in Lesner’s control.
Now if Lesner lost the round or fight due to the point you would have an argument, but he did not; he got submitted from a starting position that was not that much different than immediately before the illegal blow.
Rabbit punches need to be called more, maybe this is the start of a good trend.
theguy
[quote comment=”292926″][quote comment=”292858″][quote post=”4797″]The ref standing them up had nothing to do with the outcome other than letting Mir recover from an illegal blow to the back of the head. Mir was on his back again in 5 seconds and in the same position.
It was a good stand up.[/quote]
definately not, did you see GSP vs Hughes III, how many warnings did GSP get without ever being stood up or having a point taken away.
He was raining down unanswered blows as Mir turned into a turtle and rolled over. turning your body so the blows go from your face to the back of head is not intelligently defending yourself.
That should have been a warning and nothing more.[/quote]
An illegal blow is an illegal blow. Just because a fighter shows the back of his head does not give his opponent the right to rabbit punch him, in this case it was big hammer fist; rabbit punches are extremely dangerous/life threatening. A fighter should be allowed to recover and that is what the ref did.
Taking off a point was a judgment call, the ref may have thought that Mir was facing away long enough that Lesner should have had enough time/control not to through that dangerous hammer fist. There were other striking opportunities and paths of aggression that were open to Lesner.
Rabbit punches blow, they can really screw up a competition. I am looking forward to watching Lesner fight again. That guy is exciting.
theguy[/quote]
He was already throwing the shots as mir was turning to me thats mir turtling up and turning into the shots his own fault.
should have tagged in in either stone cold, undertaker or angle for a handicap match against mir, lesnar wins via chairshot at 2.47 in da 2nd!
GSP should have lost points for slamming Hughes when he had him mounted. All the impact was absorbed in the back of his head and it was life-threatening
[quote comment=”292882″]I’ve heard a lot of ppl in other sites saying “Bye Brock” and all this crap. Yet those same ppl would buy another PPV to see Brock lose, and Brock still has his fans that want to see him win. If anything, Brock’s star grew bigger after this fight. He was also very humble in defeat. Good fight by Brock, great fight by Mir.[/quote]
I’ve seen the same thing. And if Brock would have finished that fight last night, everybody would be lovin him. Brock will be a huge star. I’d bet my bank on it… the ufc did lol
Brock Lesnar brought down to earth…
Reality: Brock is NOT an MMA fighter.
The UFC jumped the gun and got him 2-3 years too early, as he is NOT a well rounded fighter by any stretch of the imagination.
Hell, some idiots were so effected by the hype, they ready to place Brock in the top 10, talking about him being the UFC champ, before he ever stepped into the octagon. Shameful.
WWE is NOT MMA.
Lesnar surprised me with his striking. He was pretty good and exciting! Once he gets more experience he’ll be a top contender. I was rooting for Mir all the way. Technique wins over strength. But, BUT Brock showed me something last night, he’s got tons of potential in MMA. I hope he doesn’t fall off the horse. I’d like to see him fight in the future. He’ll bring attention and excitement to the UFC and MMA.
I thought I’d throw this out there…
Brock vs. Kimbo… HAHA
hey guy..longislandguy says chill out ..
[quote post=”4797″]The ref standing them up had nothing to do with the outcome other than letting Mir recover from an illegal blow to the back of the head. Mir was on his back again in 5 seconds and in the same position.[/quote]
Except it wasnt the same position at all, Lesnar was mounted before the stoppage, and afterwards was in Mir’s guard, which was the only thing that could really beat him
OMG i cant believe that some people are actually giving credit to brock lesnar the dude looked horrible yes he took him down immediatly whats new there but then he proceded to hit him desperatly in the back of the head, i mean i dont think you need any technique to throw hammer fists but brocks punches looked nasty( as in the stupidest, embarrising). then second time around he looked the same and as soon as he got up from the armbar attempt boom bye bye hype
[quote comment=”292823″]he shouldnt be ashamed.. the ref shouldve never restarted them.and stood them up. the match before there was an elbow to the back of the head, never called.
brock shouldve won he deserves to fight in the ufc cant wait for the next poor victim to fight him..[/quote]
Are you crazy? He was pounding him in back of the head. FYI genius that is against the rules. Brock was doomed to get caught in a submission, Mir is a master off his back. Plus Lesner was hitting him with sissy short hammer fist.
[quote comment=”292963″]GSP should have lost points for slamming Hughes when he had him mounted. All the impact was absorbed in the back of his head and it was life-threatening[/quote]
if thats the case then Matt Hughes would of never one the belt himself slamming the shit out of Newton, and Rampage wouldnt have a career, I know what your getting at but there isnt a rule that prohibits slamming yet so dont be so technical, kinda anoying
i ment won the belt himself…..
color me unsurprised that hector has nothing good to say. he’s been talking smack for weeks now. hey hector, you don’t like brock, we get it. shut your pie hole already.
all in all the fight went as i expected it to. Brock would show a lot of promise but get caught making a rookie mistake, which all UFC fighters have done in the past. the real test will be to see if he learns from that mistake and doesn’t make it again. How often do we see a guys true potential in his first octagon fight? pretty much never, the cage is notorious for causing those jitters and brock definitely looked nervous going into the cage.
i can’t wait to see how he does in his second fight.
although I ahve a strongion to having wrestlers/entertainers
enter the Octagon to challenge real fighters, I say if they have the guts, more power to them.
and I don’t blame Dana (those words I choke on as I can’t stand the guy)for trying to expand his audiance by bringing in someone from the WWE, but I think ALL involved should be ashamed, especially Dana for injecting the Undertaker/Austin/Angle clown posse into last night’s show. Talk about a great way of taking 10 steps back in their so-called efforts to present as mainstream legitimate sport, instead making it painfully obvious that the only goal for this organization is cash at all costs… but hey, this is America
Pro wrestling fans don’t know the rules of this sport. They also don’t know Brock was put on the card - ONLY to suck $45 out of 1,000s of their pockets.
Brock is for real. like it or not. he is for real.. he is like the tito of old.. haha
[quote comment=”293014″][quote post=”4797″]The ref standing them up had nothing to do with the outcome other than letting Mir recover from an illegal blow to the back of the head. Mir was on his back again in 5 seconds and in the same position.[/quote]
Except it wasnt the same position at all, Lesnar was mounted before the stoppage, and afterwards was in Mir’s guard, which was the only thing that could really beat him[/quote]
?????
What fight were you watching?
-the stand-up happened with Lesner in Mir’s half-gaurd.
-after the restart it took Lesner less than 10 seconds to gain side control and restart the reign of the hammer fist.
-a north south position followed (with more hammer fists coming down from Lesner)
-THEN finally Mir got him in his full guard.
I love my DVD recorder. Doesn’t anyone else have one?
theguy
well i gotta admit, when i first heard about this fight i was like ( Brock is just following trends, he’ll never make it,ect,ect)even though he lost his debut,i’v changed my opinion about brock.i seriously believe he will have a career in the ufc, and will do well. im looking forward to seeing him fight again and i hope it is soon.you can train all mma disciplines for however long, but nothing, i mean nothing counts like experience does.
say what you want about the ref stoppage,but that was a good stop! who ever is comparing strikes to the back of the head between GSP,hughes or whoever is not the same as getting hit in the back of the head by Lesnar. I would take a shot from GSP before Lesnar any day. striker or not Lesnar has some serious power. And would like to wish good luck to Lesnar and Mir on their next fights.
Brock is so far and away the most athletic HW it is not even funny. He could kick the shit out of 90% of the division today. I’d bet on him to beat Mir in a rematch as well.
my favorite part was when the fight start and rogan was like “so how long do you think it will take for brock to try a take…” and brock had mir on the ground. seriously, brock was out for blood, when was the last time we saw a heavyweight fight that was that fast paced?
2 things here…
1. Brock showed potential. I think he will be a force in MMA in about 12 months.
2. Yes the blow or blows to the back of the head are illegal. I don’t think that’s what is being questioned here. I think the “debate” or “issue” is more about consistency in officiating. In this very PPV we saw several identical shots delivered and the offender got only a warning. The refs need to be consistent.
One illegal blow (back of head, groin…whatever) = warning 2nd blow = point. That would be fine. Or 1 blow = 1 point with NO warning given. Either way would be fine as long as all refs stuck to it.
Inconsistency breeds controversy.
[quote comment=”293113″]Brock is so far and away the most athletic HW it is not even funny. He could kick the shit out of 90% of the division today. I’d bet on him to beat Mir in a rematch as well.[/quote]
And you probably think that Liddell needs “ONLY” 1 more chance at ‘Page and he will win. Herring needs a rematch with Big ‘Nog and Herring will rip his head off.
I love the “next” time crowd!
[quote comment=”292980″]Lesnar surprised me with his striking. He was pretty good and exciting! Once he gets more experience he’ll be a top contender. I was rooting for Mir all the way. Technique wins over strength. But, BUT Brock showed me something last night, he’s got tons of potential in MMA. I hope he doesn’t fall off the horse. I’d like to see him fight in the future. He’ll bring attention and excitement to the UFC and MMA.
I thought I’d throw this out there…
Brock vs. Kimbo… HAHA[/quote]
Brock would destroy Kimbo
[quote comment=”293172″][quote comment=”292980″]Lesnar surprised me with his striking. He was pretty good and exciting! Once he gets more experience he’ll be a top contender. I was rooting for Mir all the way. Technique wins over strength. But, BUT Brock showed me something last night, he’s got tons of potential in MMA. I hope he doesn’t fall off the horse. I’d like to see him fight in the future. He’ll bring attention and excitement to the UFC and MMA.
I thought I’d throw this out there…
Brock vs. Kimbo… HAHA[/quote]
Brock would destroy Kimbo[/quote]
Kimbo Slice, Tank Abbott and Bob Sapp are all in the same BS league. Brock Lesnar belongs in the UFC!
Brock is going to be great, just give him some time. I would like to see him fight a great striker like cro cop or Silvia. I think lesnar will be too much. BJJ guys will give him the most trouble right now. Big Nog, for instance. I would like to see Lesnar vs Gonzaga
[quote comment=”292937″][quote comment=”292926″][quote comment=”292858″][quote post=”4797″]The ref standing them up had nothing to do with the outcome other than letting Mir recover from an illegal blow to the back of the head. Mir was on his back again in 5 seconds and in the same position.
It was a good stand up.[/quote]
definately not, did you see GSP vs Hughes III, how many warnings did GSP get without ever being stood up or having a point taken away.
He was raining down unanswered blows as Mir turned into a turtle and rolled over. turning your body so the blows go from your face to the back of head is not intelligently defending yourself.
That should have been a warning and nothing more.[/quote]
An illegal blow is an illegal blow. Just because a fighter shows the back of his head does not give his opponent the right to rabbit punch him, in this case it was big hammer fist; rabbit punches are extremely dangerous/life threatening. A fighter should be allowed to recover and that is what the ref did.
Taking off a point was a judgment call, the ref may have thought that Mir was facing away long enough that Lesner should have had enough time/control not to through that dangerous hammer fist. There were other striking opportunities and paths of aggression that were open to Lesner.
Rabbit punches blow, they can really screw up a competition. I am looking forward to watching Lesner fight again. That guy is exciting.
theguy[/quote]
He was already throwing the shots as mir was turning to me thats mir turtling up and turning into the shots his own fault.[/quote]
well your not the ref
dude no one is even talking about the fact that lesnar rocked mir with a punch that dropped him. good job by mir for catching that submission on him. brock will definatley be a force to rekon with. Id like to see brock vs sylvia. def mir vs nogueria, sick bjj there. id love nothing more than to see brock pick sylvia up over his head and coutre/liddellpt1 slam him to the mat. WAR lesnar, he definatley now has my respect.
[quote comment=”292818″]I was waiting for Stone Cold to run in there and give a stone cold stunner to Mir while the ref had his back turned…[/quote]
hhahahah LMAO
[quote comment=”293038″]although I ahve a strongion to having wrestlers/entertainers
enter the Octagon to challenge real fighters, I say if they have the guts, more power to them.
and I don’t blame Dana (those words I choke on as I can’t stand the guy)for trying to expand his audiance by bringing in someone from the WWE, but I think ALL involved should be ashamed, especially Dana for injecting the Undertaker/Austin/Angle clown posse into last night’s show. Talk about a great way of taking 10 steps back in their so-called efforts to present as mainstream legitimate sport, instead making it painfully obvious that the only goal for this organization is cash at all costs… but hey, this is America[/quote]
Too bad also, that Dana is paying money for the appearance of these WWE stars who really have nothing to do with the UFC, other than to provide face time for the crossover Pro Wrestling fans.
Hypocritical too, the interviews of Lesnar, in which he says ‘fake friends, fake money, fake world’ blah blah, ‘I need some real competition’.
There’s no reason any of those pro wrestlers couldn’t cross over to MMA. They already know takedowns, and surely can wildly flop their arms around. We like to call those hammer fists though.
I think Lesnar did a great first job, but a little more trainging and he’ll learn to breathe and think about what he’s doing in the cage.
I’m just glad he didn’t win, because it would have been hard to stomach him getting a title shot in his 2nd fight.
[quote comment=”292963″]GSP should have lost points for slamming Hughes when he had him mounted. All the impact was absorbed in the back of his head and it was life-threatening[/quote]
Uhh that is perfectly legal to shoulder slam someone when you have them mounted and no it was not life threatening. Why don’t you just go back to watching fake wrestling cause you probably know more about that than you do MMA.
[quote comment=”293182″]Brock is going to be great, just give him some time. I would like to see him fight a great striker like cro cop or Silvia. I think lesnar will be too much. BJJ guys will give him the most trouble right now. Big Nog, for instance. I would like to see Lesnar vs Gonzaga[/quote]
Gonzaga is a black belt in BJJ and more of a grappler than a striker.
Lesnar vs. Herring?
vs. Cro Cop?
vs. O’Brien?
vs. Vera?
Who is next?
[quote comment=”293014″][quote post=”4797″]The ref standing them up had nothing to do with the outcome other than letting Mir recover from an illegal blow to the back of the head. Mir was on his back again in 5 seconds and in the same position.[/quote]
Except it wasnt the same position at all, Lesnar was mounted before the stoppage, and afterwards was in Mir’s guard, which was the only thing that could really beat him[/quote]
What fight did u watch? He was not mounted at all in fact he got a much more dominant position after the stoppage but Mir rolled out of it into an arm bar attempt. I would have to guess you don’t know what mount position even is if you think Lesnar had mir mounted. If Lesnar had mir mounted theres no way he could have hit him in the back of the head anyways. FYI mount is when you are basically sitting on there chest without the opponents legs inbetween you and them, the position Brock was in was not mount.
[quote comment=”293139″][quote comment=”293113″]Brock is so far and away the most athletic HW it is not even funny. He could kick the shit out of 90% of the division today. I’d bet on him to beat Mir in a rematch as well.[/quote]
And you probably think that Liddell needs “ONLY” 1 more chance at ‘Page and he will win. Herring needs a rematch with Big ‘Nog and Herring will rip his head off.
I love the “next” time crowd![/quote]
Ray Lewis would probably be the most “athletic” heavyweight if he decided to go to MMA too but skill is much more important than size as we saw last night. This was no different than the early UFC days watching giants with little skill rain down blows on Royce Gracie moments before getting there arm snapped in half by a 160 pound BJJ black belt.
[quote post=”4797″]The ref standing them up had nothing to do with the outcome other than letting Mir recover from an illegal blow to the back of the head. Mir was on his back again in 5 seconds and in the same position.
Except it wasnt the same position at all, Lesnar was mounted before the stoppage, and afterwards was in Mir’s guard, which was the only thing that could really beat him
?????
What fight were you watching?
-the stand-up happened with Lesner in Mir’s half-gaurd.
-after the restart it took Lesner less than 10 seconds to gain side control and restart the reign of the hammer fist.
-a north south position followed (with more hammer fists coming down from Lesner)
-THEN finally Mir got him in his full guard.
I love my DVD recorder. Doesn’t anyone else have one?
theguy [/quote]
Something is either wrong with your DVR or you are Mazzagatti’s nephew or something.
[quote comment=”292823″]he shouldnt be ashamed.. the ref shouldve never restarted them.and stood them up. the match before there was an elbow to the back of the head, never called.
brock shouldve won he deserves to fight in the ufc cant wait for the next poor victim to fight him..[/quote]
BROCK deserves to win?! He’s had TWO fights in MMA. Mir has been around for YEARS and would have dominated the HW division had it not been for his motorcycle accident. If anything, MIR deserved to win! And Im glad he did! Dont get me wrong, I think it’s great that Lesnar has joined the UFC organization but matching him up with an ex-heavyweight champ for his UFC debut was stupid.
[quote comment=”293113″]Brock is so far and away the most athletic HW it is not even funny. He could kick the shit out of 90% of the division today. I’d bet on him to beat Mir in a rematch as well.[/quote]
have you ever heard of Randy Couture or Arlovski ?! They are real athletes, not pumped up wrestlers with 1 1/2 year MMA training
If it wasn’t for the retarded stop by Mazagetti, Lesnar would have won in under 30 secs.
Bring BIG JOHN BACK!!!
I for one can’t wait for Brock’s next fight.
in the tyson griffin fight, he threw a couple of elbows to the back of the head and i thought the ref shouldve stopped the match all together. i couldnt believe he didnt see that, or didnt take action.
then brock lands a hammer punch while mir is squrimming around and mozzerella fag ref stops it.. total bs. u have to be consistant wit officating. that was terrible . doesnt matter brock did enough to get another fight. and soon he will be unstoppable. this just was a minor bump in the road.
[quote comment=”293267″]Lesnar vs. Herring?
vs. Cro Cop?
vs. O’Brien?
vs. Vera?
Who is next?[/quote]
herring should have been his first opponent instead of Mir. they’ve thrown every other newcomer at him.
haha, you typed the words right out of my fingers Metalhead
[quote comment=”293316″]I for one can’t wait for Brock’s next fight.[/quote]
That makes two of us. Let’s put Brock up against Big Tim. That would be fun!
[quote comment=”293139″][quote comment=”293113″]Brock is so far and away the most athletic HW it is not even funny. He could kick the shit out of 90% of the division today. I’d bet on him to beat Mir in a rematch as well.[/quote]
And you probably think that Liddell needs “ONLY” 1 more chance at ‘Page and he will win. Herring needs a rematch with Big ‘Nog and Herring will rip his head off.
I love the “next” time crowd![/quote]
I think Brock showed he is green, but at the same time showed that with proper training and seasoning he most likely will be an amazing force. Let’s face it people….if that knee bar never came, Mir probably would not have a face right now the way things were going.
One thing that poeple are missing out on, is that the ref usually comes into the locker room and gives the fighters some things he will be looking for closer then others, what he will and will not allow. I bet dew to brocks power and the damage that could cause if he hit one gets hit in the back of the head. i bet they were both warned that the fight would be stoped and point would be taken off. that is why Brock had not issue with it. The ref talk to the fighters before the fight is very important in the way the ref controls it.
Im sick of hearin ppl bitch about the illegal punches… it happened fights over QUIT LOOKIN FOR AN EXCUSE!! All in all brock looked AWSOME in this fight, the way he moved was like a LW!! it was AMAZING! i was on the edge of my seat and thot for a sec that brock might pull out a win wit that vicious GNP. but like Lesnar said Mir was the better fighter that night, and i give both fighters huge props for steppin in the cage against eachother. Brock is gonna be a HUGE threat at HW, can’t wait for his next fight… And where does Mir go from here!!?? whios next for both fighters??
I was really impressed by Lesnar, and I do think that penalty for the shot to the back that Mir rolled into was pretty weak. It was kind of harsh that a few people were booing him after the fight. I think his style will make for a lot of really entertaining fights, just give him time to improve.
The UFC got what they wanted to out of this one: even more people tuning in to the fight.
That being said, Mir did a nice job and I, like most others on this page, thought the fight could have been over in the first 20 seconds if it hadn’t been stopped for Lesnar’s punching Mir in the back of the head. And Lesnar was inpressive to watch-I imagine fighting him would be like trying to fight a mountain.
I personally would tune in to see either Lesnar or Mir fight again. I think an interesting matchup would be Lesnar vs. G. Gonzaga. It will be interesting to see where both Mir and Sylvia go after this.
I hear all these people talking about the stand-up for the illegal blow.If this would have been such an issue don’t you think the fighter might have something to do say about it? What did you expect to happen? Did you really think that some muscle head was going to come into the mma game and take out one of the world’s most well rounded fighters? Frank Mir knows how to win a fight whether it be standing or on the ground, whether someone is hitting him, laying on him, or whatever the case may be. He was once considered unbeatable before his motorctcle accident and I was happy to see him earn a win by submission as he tries to earn his way back to his unbeatable status.
[quote comment=”292823″]he shouldnt be ashamed.. the ref shouldve never restarted them.and stood them up. the match before there was an elbow to the back of the head, never called.
brock shouldve won he deserves to fight in the ufc cant wait for the next poor victim to fight him..[/quote]
are u jokeing u cant hit people in the bak of the head this isnt wwe..he will never be anything in the ufc he should take his skank girl and go bak to the wwe
[quote comment=”293358″]I was really impressed by Lesnar, and I do think that penalty for the shot to the back that Mir rolled into was pretty weak. It was kind of harsh that a few people were booing him after the fight. I think his style will make for a lot of really entertaining fights, just give him time to improve.[/quote]
how were u impressed he didnt make it past the 1st round
Rampage>Chuck at his best
NOG>Sylvia at his best
Silva>Franlkin at his best
Forrest beat a out of shape Shogun, who took the fight lightly and had no ACL
Gomi took Diaz lightley and gassed
See what I mean? Im not saying forest and diaz>Gomi.Shogun, until the rematch. Based on the fact gomi and Shogun have looked WAY better. flukes happen, look at chuck-jardine, serra-GSP. PRIDE fighters are supior, always have been. They came into UFC house and took 3 belts in the span of a fucking year. UFC would have never been able to do that in pRIDE
Frank Mir’s clearly superior skills made Lesnar look like he belongs in the minors. There is absotutely no other way to call it. Lesnar only had a puncher’s chance to begin with and was unable to get lucky with any of his punches, and quite frankly, was damn lucky he did not get his leg broken by Mir. At the post fight press conference, Mir stated that the winning knee bar was not perfect but got the victory. I have a different opinion. After reviewing the fight several times, I have to say that the knee bar that caused Lesnar to tap was beautifully set up by Mir. I hope Mir continues to make progress in regaining the unbeatable status he had before his motorcycle accident.
Lesnar just got caught, simple as that. I thought at one stage the ref was going to call a stop to the fight with Brock was GnP Mir. There is no way Mir could take another few blows to the head. What impressed me most about Brock is his agility for his size, man he his one big dude. He will do well in UFC. Look at the way he just rushed and took MIr down, I dont think anyone will be able to stop him from taking them down but thats where he will fall in the hands of the JJ guys. He needs to mix it up more, maybe take them down and get back up again, do a bit standup back down again and up again, just make them think, just over power them with his wrestling and some against the cage. So brock you may have lost the fight but you have gained a fan.
[quote comment=”293267″]Lesnar vs. Herring?
vs. Cro Cop?
vs. O’Brien?
vs. Vera?
Who is next?[/quote]
Brock and Kongo would be an explosive fight.
did anyone else notice that Randy was totally ignored? It seems that Rogan and Goldberg were not allowed to mention Randy’s name. I like how when Tyson Griffin was entering the ring they announced that he had Gray Maynard in his corner and not Randy. Also I heard a rumor that all Affliction shirts are now banned by the UFC. Any truth to that?
Also i think Lesnar is gonna be a beast in the HW division. He was connecting good on Mir until the Rabbit punches. He should have been warned but thats just my opinion. And thank God, Allah, Santa or whoever you want that Nogueira choked out Tim. I just wish his big head popped off and we never have to see him fight again.
[quote comment=”293279″][quote post=”4797″]The ref standing them up had nothing to do with the outcome other than letting Mir recover from an illegal blow to the back of the head. Mir was on his back again in 5 seconds and in the same position.
Except it wasnt the same position at all, Lesnar was mounted before the stoppage, and afterwards was in Mir’s guard, which was the only thing that could really beat him
?????
What fight were you watching?
-the stand-up happened with Lesner in Mir’s half-gaurd.
-after the restart it took Lesner less than 10 seconds to gain side control and restart the reign of the hammer fist.
-a north south position followed (with more hammer fists coming down from Lesner)
-THEN finally Mir got him in his full guard.
I love my DVD recorder. Doesn’t anyone else have one?
theguy [/quote]
Something is either wrong with your DVR or you are Mazzagatti’s nephew or something.[/quote]
Uhh, actually, he called it exactly, move for move as it happened.You remind me of Lesnar, jumping into something and running your mouth without knowing what you need to know to back it up. You must be one of his relatives, maybe his nephew or something.
Lesnar looked like an animal… inexperienced, but an animal. He shows more than potential, he showed promise. Give him some good trainers, a little time, and I think he will be up to the hype that he got before this match.
Things could have easily gone very differently (I’m surprised that he didn’t catch Mir on the button and put him out with one of those punches), but it was actually better for him to loose this one. I think he’ll come back much improved.
Props to Mir for getting the tap.