Forrest beat a out of shape Shogun, who took the fight lightly and had no ACL

Gomi took Diaz lightley and gassed

See what I mean? Im not saying forest and diaz>Gomi.Shogun, until the rematch. Based on the fact gomi and Shogun have looked WAY better. flukes happen, look at chuck-jardine, serra-GSP. PRIDE fighters are supior, always have been. They came into UFC house and took 3 belts in the span of a fucking year. UFC would have never been able to do that in pRIDE[/quote]
DENIAL.

So my apologize for that one.

But in no way do I think the point deduction was deserved for an accidental blow to the back of the head, and I still believe the stand up was bullsh1t, and a warning should have been the correct call.

Ref calls should be consistant no matter what the fighters size, ability, experience or name! and lets face it, inconsistencies are starting to occur way too frequently.

Lesnar vs. Herring?
vs. Cro Cop?
vs. O’Brien?
vs. Vera?

Who is next?

Brock and Kongo would be an explosive fight.

Brock would destroy Kongo. Kong has no ground game and no wrestling ability at all.

Do you really think that the two fights that Lesnar has fought qualifies him to get in the ring with real MMA fighters like Mir, Kongo, Crocop, Big Nog, etc.? His inexperience almost got him a broken leg from Mir…. I think maybe he should practice in the minors for a couple of years then try to step up to fight more of the real MMA fighters after he has learned enough to be competitive.[/quote]

You’ve got to be kidding me! I mean the UFC pitted Hughes against Carlos Newton in his first fight in the Octagon. Seriously, to not give a man credit for the time he spent training in wrestling is ludicrous. Would you feel the same way about a man who has solely trained in Jiu Jitsu his whole damn life?[/quote]

That was then ….this is now

Someone submitted him, so what? He knew the risks of fighting Mir. It wasn’t the first time he lost a match and might not be the last (his amateur record is 163-3).

“….that you first have to lose before you learn how not to lose. I don’t like to lose so I have to learn not to lose in this sport”

Am I correctly hearing that some people do not want a guy like that in the UFC? They do not want to watch his matches? Who are those people fooling? I know it, they know it and everyone knows it….the guy has game!

the hun

I think they need to have a system where, once the opponent is put into a submission hold and thus taps-out…points should be awarded to the fighter giving the submission. The ref then stands the fighters back up, awards the points to the judges, and the fight goes. Now, maybe if a fighter is put into a submission hold and taps-out more than 3 times in one fight, then the fight is stopped by TKO.

I want to see FIGHTS…not a bunch of guys rolling around on the ground hoping for a submission hold! Much less, watching a fighter get pummeled and by survival only, grabs an ankle for a tap-out, thus winning the fight, claiming the title![/quote]

You are a tool. Submissions end fights in the UFC because THEY WOULD END FIGHTS IN REAL LIFE. Hello, if submissions didn’t end fights, then guys would be breaking bones left and right. Go watch K-1 you idiot.

I like the fact people are like, with another couple of years of training and and the right coaches. Shit, with a couple of more years of training and the right coaches my ass. He should have had to prove him self in another company before he got a UFC contract. Lesnar is just a much bound monkey.

1)Taking a steel chair to the face (a gimmick stunt) isn’t the same as taking a shot precisly put on the chin or temple. Especially real time with no breaks other than 2 minute round breaks. Wrestlers don’t like to be on their backs or getting hit.

2) If he is so great on the ground, how come he couldn’t mount Mir and GNP him out? He is still strong and has great hips but notice Mir had the better technique.

3) Endurance? He seemed a bit gassed at one point we he stopped punching and Mir rolled over to his side. A guy that big can’t swing at full speed for two long without getting winded. Couture admitted to being winded in the late 2nd and 3rd round against Silvia and he is in much better shape than Brock. How long do those wrestling matches last anyway? And is the action continuous throughout. Lets not forget about the steroids he was using back then either.

4)Kevin Randleman had insane power too and was a great wrestler so what is your point? Strength doesn’t stack up to well executed technique. Go watch some old UFC’s or some old Pride fights that Randleman fought in. It become evident.[/quote]

1) ok fine, how about landing on his face from a fall of over 6 feet and not getting knocked out

2)he did nearly have him mounted before they were stood up.

3)Gassed? are you serious? i highly doubt Couture is in better shape. did you watch the all access on brock? all he does is train, all day every day. He’s a collegiate wrestler so he is fully aware of what conditioning is.

as for the steroids, straw man argument, you just ruined whatever points you may have made up to this point. if you can’t prove it, then you are talking out of your backside. so what, you assume that all “pro” wrestlers are juicing?
try using less hyperbole in your arguments.