I wouldnt be so quick to crown BJ as one of the best in the sport. Lets see him fight some more top names and win. Sherk, GSP, Hughes, and Anderson Silva are all viable options to prove his dominance.

Penn did look good but not as good as GSP looked against Matt Hughes.

Sure it needs to happen but the result will be the same. I would rather see GSP vs. Anderson Silva before a rematch with Penn.

Penn needs to get through Sherk which will be no easy task and honestly I think Sherk wins. Don’t get me wrong though I like Penn and thought he did look very, very good. I just think Sherk has a bigger chip on his shoulder to prove everyone wrong about him.

Good article!

Manics : What a fight card. From the first televised fight that set the tone for the night, the UFC delivered on their first PPV of 2008. BJ Penn looked like he would of beat up on Fedor Emelianenko. For all non believer`s take notice, we are priviledged to be in a era of MMA that have some of the best fighters in the world. With the next few PPV and UFN we will be treated with some elite MMA. Guys, 2008 will blow 2007 out the water. UFC 80 set the tone for this fiscal MMA year.

I don’t see how Davis should be even mentioned in the Top 10 he hasn’t fought anybody that holds a top ten ranking. He might have put together a string of decent victories but he hasn’t beaten anybody of a decent caliber. Davis is coming along great
and riding a lot of momentum, let him continue to inch his way up. I don’t want to see him get destroyed.

[quote comment="274179"]I wouldnt be so quick to crown BJ as one of the best in the sport. Lets see him fight some more top names and win. Sherk, GSP, Hughes, and Anderson Silva are all viable options to prove his dominance.[/quote]
Nah, crown him now! Sherk isnt shit, Hughes has only won 45 seconds of the total 3and a half rounds he has faught against BJ ( and that was the old BJ, new BJ = NO CONTEST!!) When you get into GSP/Silva you’re talking some sense, GSP 2 and 3 will be epics with BJ coming out on top of both via bloody submission. Silva Would be the next level, and then redemption on Lyotto Machida, and then Fedor. And YES i said it haters, BJ WILL be the first and only fighter to get the W on Fedor! That win will cement BJ Penn in MMA history. Doubt all you want but you’ll see it in about 3 years live on PayPerView so whatever, just remember i said it and have been saying it for about a year now evr since Fedor was available to leave pride and fight elsewhere.

BJ looks to be in top form these days, and while a rematch with GSP would be one hell of a fight, let’s not forget the disparity between the skill levels of Stevenson and St. Pierre. GSP just made the greatest welterweight of all time look like an amateur and has shown the ability to beat every fighter (except for his breakdown against Serra, which he will soon avenge) at their own game, most impressively his drubbing of Koscheck in mainly a wrestling match. Penn does have Jiu-Jitsu that is heads and tails above to competition, however, GSP will not get caught in a submission while on top and Penn simply is not powerful enough to bully GSP like he did Stevenson. Also, GSP’s striking is as good or better than Penn’s, with more weapons in his arsenal, ie kicks. The mention of the first fight as an example of how Penn could win always seems to be a bad thing to refer to. Everyone refers to the damage Penn did to GSP, which was the result of an errant uppercut that caught the tip of his nose. When I hear people mention how a fighter was more damaged therefore he should lose I laugh. Should Liddell have been given the decision over Jardine because Jardine’s face looked like a catcher’s mitt after, or should Florian have been the winne against Sherk after being mauled for 25 minutes because he cut him? Penn outboxed GSP due to the damage to his nose, after which GSP controlled the ring, scored with takedowns and held Penn down and landed strikes, and landed more on their feet in the second and third. If he didnt take that damage no one would say he even came close to losing that fight, but unfortunately, even experienced MMA fans and analysts still make the mistake of seeing damage like that early and forgetting you dont get extra points for a cut or black eye. Nevertheless, the rematch would be a great fight, but I think it will be a case of two fighters at the top of their game, one of which is naturally bigger, stronger and more versatile. And I’m talking about the fighter who could never make 155, and will likely clean out welter and challenge for middle, lose or no. Penn will dominate lightweight for a long time if he stays focused, but he runs into a brick wall if he climbs up to welter again. I think he might figure that out when Sherk, who GSP mauled, manages to toss him around and bully him at various times in their may title bout.

All I have to say is I’m sick of people complaining about fight cards. So far, the cards with the smaller names have had better fights than the cards with big names. Look at the Jardine Lidell card. Everyone complained and that was a great night of fights. Smaller names fight hard because they are trying to make big names. You’re either a fight fan or a big name fan. Me, I’m a fight fan.

[quote comment="274179"]I wouldnt be so quick to crown BJ as one of the best in the sport. Lets see him fight some more top names and win. Sherk, GSP, Hughes, and Anderson Silva are all viable options to prove his dominance.[/quote]

He beat Hughes, in many peoples eyes beat St.Peirre, need I go on?

Honestly I’m happy BJ one, but I thought Joe was going to be able to weather the storm and take the fight into the later rounds. We all know BJ is hungry for GSP, but I think that it would be in the UFC’s best interest to avoid a rematch for awhile yet. Let both of these fighters solidify their legacies in their respected weight classes and then answer the age old question. I think this fight were to happen when both of these fighters are considered without a doubt the best in their divisions then put a fight together. The build up for the fight would be insane.

Fedor vs Penn?
I like it…thinking big, my friend…[quote comment="274190"][quote comment="274179"]I wouldnt be so quick to crown BJ as one of the best in the sport. Lets see him fight some more top names and win. Sherk, GSP, Hughes, and Anderson Silva are all viable options to prove his dominance.[/quote]
Nah, crown him now! Sherk isnt shit, Hughes has only won 45 seconds of the total 3and a half rounds he has faught against BJ ( and that was the old BJ, new BJ = NO CONTEST!!) When you get into GSP/Silva you’re talking some sense, GSP 2 and 3 will be epics with BJ coming out on top of both via bloody submission. Silva Would be the next level, and then redemption on Lyotto Machida, and then Fedor. And YES i said it haters, BJ WILL be the first and only fighter to get the W on Fedor! That win will cement BJ Penn in MMA history. Doubt all you want but you’ll see it in about 3 years live on PayPerView so whatever, just remember i said it and have been saying it for about a year now evr since Fedor was available to leave pride and fight elsewhere.[/quote]

Wow Mania, I had no idea you were a Penn fan all along.

Well Well Well Penn Did it I for one didn’t know how hungry he would be did anyone get the feeling of HOLY SHIT when that elbow turned stevenson into a bloody mess.. Oh well Joe “Daddy Needs a Band Aid” stevenson had his shot and he’s a great fighter but out of his league with that fight I for one would like to see Joe and Spencer fisher tangle next. Penn will destroy sherk no debating at all on that one.

Can Kendal Grove be any more like his buddy Tito… Talk at that shit boy look what happend I wish herman could get another crack at that goof ball but at this point what does that do for hermans career?

I’m With Mania DAVIS VS. FITCH mr. silva PLEASE!!!

Its not Mania that wrote the article. It was DurbySunshine people.

DrubySunshine. My Bad.

I agree with mostly everything. I do think the TS needs to slack off BJ’s nuts a little. BJ just beat steveson.. arguably an easier fight than hughes.. Yet GSP looked even better vs hughes.

Sure we all want to see Penn vs GSP but Penn needs to win more than 1 fight against a TUFer.

Sherk, Florian and Edgar will be good tells as to were his game was.

I would not look past Sherk.. BJ looked gassed at the end of the fight, breathing hard leaning on everyone.

like holy crap did stevenson tema not even try to patch his cut??

Yeah. Lets See how Sean Jerk (sorry, I couldn’t help myself) fights without steroids. If BJ is as good he was last night, Sean Jerk is going to get hurt.

Bj is too good. Joe never had a chance.

Gaberiel needs to get better at his conditioning. He has good jui jitsu and good striking.

Fitch vs Davis would be a sick fight and i think if Davis can keep it standing he could beat Fitch.

Kendall Grove has no chin and Jorge is not goins anywhere in the weightclass.

So happy my boy Wilson won. He has such good jui jitsu and visious leg kicks. He murdered Carmerro with his kicks. He was outmuscled by Lambert but he weathered the storm and got the KO. Now he will finaly get some recognition.

It OWNED live.

[quote comment="274190"][quote comment="274179"]I wouldnt be so quick to crown BJ as one of the best in the sport. Lets see him fight some more top names and win. Sherk, GSP, Hughes, and Anderson Silva are all viable options to prove his dominance.[/quote]
Nah, crown him now! Sherk isnt shit, Hughes has only won 45 seconds of the total 3and a half rounds he has faught against BJ ( and that was the old BJ, new BJ = NO CONTEST!!) When you get into GSP/Silva you’re talking some sense, GSP 2 and 3 will be epics with BJ coming out on top of both via bloody submission. Silva Would be the next level, and then redemption on Lyotto Machida, and then Fedor. And YES i said it haters, BJ WILL be the first and only fighter to get the W on Fedor! That win will cement BJ Penn in MMA history. Doubt all you want but you’ll see it in about 3 years live on PayPerView so whatever, just remember i said it and have been saying it for about a year now evr since Fedor was available to leave pride and fight elsewhere.[/quote]

HAHAHA You’re such a tool!!! He won’t even get past GSP, let alone Anderson Silva. I’m not even mentioning what Dan Henderson would do to him. But Fedor? HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA You’re funny. Don’t get me wrong, I love BJ,and he IS one of the best pound for pound fighters out there right now, BEHIND Fedor, Silva & GSP. He could easily beat most WW out there for sure, but GSP? Fedor? Come on dude what are you smoking?

adamg
Jan 20th, 2008 at 1:56 pm Quote this comment
I wouldnt be so quick to crown BJ as one of the best in the sport. Lets see him fight some more top names and win. Sherk, GSP, Hughes, and Anderson Silva are all viable options to prove his dominance.

Nah, crown him now! Sherk isnt shit, Hughes has only won 45 seconds of the total 3and a half rounds he has faught against BJ ( and that was the old BJ, new BJ = NO CONTEST!!) When you get into GSP/Silva you’re talking some sense, GSP 2 and 3 will be epics with BJ coming out on top of both via bloody submission. Silva Would be the next level, and then redemption on Lyotto Machida, and then Fedor. And YES i said it haters, BJ WILL be the first and only fighter to get the W on Fedor! That win will cement BJ Penn in MMA history. Doubt all you want but you’ll see it in about 3 years live on PayPerView so whatever, just remember i said it and have been saying it for about a year now evr since Fedor was available to leave pride and fight elsewhere.

Adamg,

Wow i was actually gonna come on here and post a congrats to your boy Penn for the nice win, but then i saw that you havent laid off that REEFER. Great win for BJ, If he beats Sherk i will give him some respect.

[quote comment="274201"]Fedor vs Penn?
I like it…thinking big, my friend…[quote comment="274190"][quote comment="274179"]I wouldnt be so quick to crown BJ as one of the best in the sport. Lets see him fight some more top names and win. Sherk, GSP, Hughes, and Anderson Silva are all viable options to prove his dominance.[/quote]
Nah, crown him now! Sherk isnt shit, Hughes has only won 45 seconds of the total 3and a half rounds he has faught against BJ ( and that was the old BJ, new BJ = NO CONTEST!!) When you get into GSP/Silva you’re talking some sense, GSP 2 and 3 will be epics with BJ coming out on top of both via bloody submission. Silva Would be the next level, and then redemption on Lyotto Machida, and then Fedor. And YES i said it haters, BJ WILL be the first and only fighter to get the W on Fedor! That win will cement BJ Penn in MMA history. Doubt all you want but you’ll see it in about 3 years live on PayPerView so whatever, just remember i said it and have been saying it for about a year now evr since Fedor was available to leave pride and fight elsewhere.[/quote][/quote]

Easy there. Yes, BJ has a dominant win here but let’s not get carried away here. I still think St. Pierre wins against BJ, and the Spider is just too much for Penn. As for Fedor and Machida, BJ does not stand a chance against them. Fedor would toss around BJ, as would a lot of heavyweights. Even Silvia, as much as I dislike him, would plow through BJ. Plus, I don’t think BJ would be quick to leave the UFC for some mythical match-up with Fedor. Come on now, why don’t we have them start fighting tigers too.

[quote comment="274228"]DrubySunshine. My Bad.[/quote]

Well DrubySunshine is a smart guy.

I wasnt inpressed with BJ PENN performance. So now everyone is telling me that because bj beat joe stevenson hes some kind of legend. Thats a load of crap. When he loses to sherk i wannna see him move up to WW and fight GSP and finish off BJs career. SHERK and GSP are far better fighters than BJ will ever be. Hawian fighters suck period look at kendall groove. KO of the night there.

PENN proved he is one of the best in UFC! He’s beaten Hughes, he deserved the decision against GSP, he dominated Stevenson last night without a question.
Penn vs Sherk will be bananas. Penn looking to solidify his name as a “great one” and Sherk looking to prove himself after all the steroid controversy. There will be fireworks!

Bring on Penn vs GSP II!!!!!

[quote comment="274239"]I wasnt inpressed with BJ PENN performance. So now everyone is telling me that because bj beat joe stevenson hes some kind of legend. Thats a load of crap. When he loses to sherk i wannna see him move up to WW and fight GSP and finish off BJs career. SHERK and GSP are far better fighters than BJ will ever be. Hawian fighters suck period look at kendall groove. KO of the night there.[/quote]
If you can’t watch last nights fight and see the dominance of that performance, you don’t know fighting. If you can watch the Pulver/Penn fight and not see BJ’s dominance, you don’t know fighting. This is a different Penn than 2 years ago.
And judging Hawaiian fighters off of Kendall f-cking Grove is ridiculous. We all know Grove is overrated. Grove is nowhere near BJ Penn.
Are you kidding me?

I wouldn’t be so quick to say Marcus Davis is top 5. He has a nice little streak going, but he hasn’t even fought a top 10 guy yet.

Couture Saga Continues And Dana’s A Gangster
By Adrian | January 20, 2008

Sounding more like a “Gangster” then the president of a large American cooperation. Dana white had this to say about the lawsuit Zuffa LLC filed against UFC heavyweight champion Randy Couture:

White said. “He’s got a half million of my money. He can fight. He can fight if he wants to. We’ll keep it (an interim title) forever. Believe me, we’ll hold on forever.”

Dana White, calling the Tim Sylvia vs. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira fight for an “Interim” Heavyweight title.

The UFC is suing its heavyweight champion, Randy Couture, in a Nevada court, but White refuses to strip him of the belt. He is calling the match between Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira and Tim Sylvia on Feb. 2 in Las Vegas for the interim belt.

The UFC is recognizing Couture as its champion and not stripping him. White said he did not see removing the interim tag anytime soon.

frankthetank please tell me that last comment was a joke. i would respond but i think cool hand chad summed it up

[quote comment="274185"]Manics : What a fight card. From the first televised fight that set the tone for the night, the UFC delivered on their first PPV of 2008. BJ Penn looked like he would of beat up on Fedor Emelianenko. For all non believer`s take notice, we are priviledged to be in a era of MMA that have some of the best fighters in the world. With the next few PPV and UFN we will be treated with some elite MMA. Guys, 2008 will blow 2007 out the water. UFC 80 set the tone for this fiscal MMA year.[/quote]
I agree what a great card. BJ is the bomb! However he was pretty out of breath at the end of the fight, which worries me becuase Sherk fights at a fast pace, and if BJ does not beat him early he might not be able to go a full 5 rounds with Sherk.

[quote comment="274247"][quote comment="274239"]I wasnt inpressed with BJ PENN performance. So now everyone is telling me that because bj beat joe stevenson hes some kind of legend. Thats a load of crap. When he loses to sherk i wannna see him move up to WW and fight GSP and finish off BJs career. SHERK and GSP are far better fighters than BJ will ever be. Hawian fighters suck period look at kendall groove. KO of the night there.[/quote]
If you can’t watch last nights fight and see the dominance of that performance, you don’t know fighting. If you can watch the Pulver/Penn fight and not see BJ’s dominance, you don’t know fighting. This is a different Penn than 2 years ago.
And judging Hawaiian fighters off of Kendall f-cking Grove is ridiculous. We all know Grove is overrated. Grove is nowhere near BJ Penn.
Are you kidding me?[/quote]

Well look at how small our state is. We don’t have near as much opportunity to find good instructors and fight camps that fighter from the continental US have. Falaniko Vitale is a successfull fighter from Hawaii. He beat Matt Linland, Yushin Okami, and Masanori Tsuda.

[quote comment="274188"]I don’t see how Davis should be even mentioned in the Top 10 he hasn’t fought anybody that holds a top ten ranking. He might have put together a string of decent victories but he hasn’t beaten anybody of a decent caliber. Davis is coming along great
and riding a lot of momentum, let him continue to inch his way up. I don’t want to see him get destroyed.[/quote]
This comment says it all,(regarding Marcus Davis) except for not seeing him get destroyed, i cant wait to see Davis get destroyed , he needs to be put in his place, the guy is way to cocky!

[quote comment="274190"][quote comment="274179"]I wouldnt be so quick to crown BJ as one of the best in the sport. Lets see him fight some more top names and win. Sherk, GSP, Hughes, and Anderson Silva are all viable options to prove his dominance.[/quote]
Nah, crown him now! Sherk isnt shit, Hughes has only won 45 seconds of the total 3and a half rounds he has faught against BJ ( and that was the old BJ, new BJ = NO CONTEST!!) When you get into GSP/Silva you’re talking some sense, GSP 2 and 3 will be epics with BJ coming out on top of both via bloody submission. Silva Would be the next level, and then redemption on Lyotto Machida, and then Fedor. And YES i said it haters, BJ WILL be the first and only fighter to get the W on Fedor! That win will cement BJ Penn in MMA history. Doubt all you want but you’ll see it in about 3 years live on PayPerView so whatever, just remember i said it and have been saying it for about a year now evr since Fedor was available to leave pride and fight elsewhere.[/quote]
You must be an idiot

[quote comment="274239"]I wasnt inpressed with BJ PENN performance. So now everyone is telling me that because bj beat joe stevenson hes some kind of legend. Thats a load of crap. When he loses to sherk i wannna see him move up to WW and fight GSP and finish off BJs career. SHERK and GSP are far better fighters than BJ will ever be. Hawian fighters suck period look at kendall groove. KO of the night there.[/quote]
hit the nail on the head

Everything I said about the BJ?Joe match up was true. I strongly stated that Bj would come into this fight in shape like we have never seen him before and he looked scary. I said that his ju jitsu was on a completely different level then Joe’s(who I am a big fan of). I talked about what an advantage BJ has that he can use his legs like armns, which he used to trap JOe’s arm as he did Jens to sink in the rear naked choke, that I predicted would end the fight on the second round.

Last week I also talked about how good BJ Penn is against fighters who skill set is:
Submission Wreslting
Ground n Pound
Conditioning
Strength
weak stand up

Just like BJ dominated Hughes, he dominated Stevenson, so why should anyone believe that sherk has a chance of beating BJ. Sherk, Stevenson, Hughes are basically the same fighter with the same exavct skill sets. BJ will come into his fight with Sherk, motivated and well conditioned and that fight will look the same as last nights fight did.

On to GSP. Personally I thought BJ won that fight. I am a huge GSP fan, but I felt that Penn should have been awarded the decison vs. GSP. BJ Penn and GSP both in there improved forms, still havent peaked in my oppinion, which is a scary thought. If they stay motivated which I believe they will, they will only improve and eventually become 2 of the greatest mixed martial artists ever seen! They will both be around for a while, so there is no reason to rush a rematch between the 2. Let them each clear out there divisions first and then they can fight in a Blockbuster Event!

[quote comment="274254"][quote comment="274185"]Manics : What a fight card. From the first televised fight that set the tone for the night, the UFC delivered on their first PPV of 2008. BJ Penn looked like he would of beat up on Fedor Emelianenko. For all non believer`s take notice, we are priviledged to be in a era of MMA that have some of the best fighters in the world. With the next few PPV and UFN we will be treated with some elite MMA. Guys, 2008 will blow 2007 out the water. UFC 80 set the tone for this fiscal MMA year.[/quote]
I agree what a great card. BJ is the bomb! However he was pretty out of breath at the end of the fight, which worries me becuase Sherk fights at a fast pace, and if BJ does not beat him early he might not be able to go a full 5 rounds with Sherk.[/quote]
BJ was the bomb? who says that “the bomb” anymore, dude your hurting

[quote comment="274264"][quote comment="274239"]I wasnt inpressed with BJ PENN performance. So now everyone is telling me that because bj beat joe stevenson hes some kind of legend. Thats a load of crap. When he loses to sherk i wannna see him move up to WW and fight GSP and finish off BJs career. SHERK and GSP are far better fighters than BJ will ever be. Hawian fighters suck period look at kendall groove. KO of the night there.[/quote]
hit the nail on the head[/quote]

Some peeps need to drink a few bottles of Haterade.

[quote comment="274190"][quote comment="274179"]I wouldnt be so quick to crown BJ as one of the best in the sport. Lets see him fight some more top names and win. Sherk, GSP, Hughes, and Anderson Silva are all viable options to prove his dominance.[/quote]
Nah, crown him now! Sherk isnt shit, Hughes has only won 45 seconds of the total 3and a half rounds he has faught against BJ ( and that was the old BJ, new BJ = NO CONTEST!!) When you get into GSP/Silva you’re talking some sense, GSP 2 and 3 will be epics with BJ coming out on top of both via bloody submission. Silva Would be the next level, and then redemption on Lyotto Machida, and then Fedor. And YES i said it haters, BJ WILL be the first and only fighter to get the W on Fedor! That win will cement BJ Penn in MMA history. Doubt all you want but you’ll see it in about 3 years live on PayPerView so whatever, just remember i said it and have been saying it for about a year now evr since Fedor was available to leave pride and fight elsewhere.[/quote]
wow bj beat a guy who shouldnt have been fighting fo the title i cant wait to see sean smack the shit out of bj it will b the greatest ever bj is a cocky punk bottom line

Hey Druby good job. I will more than likely will be working with you again for the UFC 82 event.

Off comments: Sam Stout vs. Rich Clementi UFC 84.

Werdum will fight the winner of Syliva/Minotaro.

I kid you not.

some of you guys are crazy.

[quote comment="274286"]some of you guys are crazy.[/quote]

Indeed.

Rather laughable ‘fans’.

I would seriously wonder how good BJ’s cardio is and I guess we will see that when he faces of against the juice Sherk. I say this because how winded he was after the fight that was stopped in the 2nd round. He was so tired he was leaning and hanging off the referee. Can he go more than 2 rounds? Will he gas? I think these are legitimate concerns of any BJ fan and he may be in the best shape of his life but he should not look so gassed after 2 rounds to have to lean on the referee as his arm is being raised.

I still think GSP would beat him and I think he should defend his belt a few times before he thinks or speaks of going up any weight classes.

I think some have already drunk a few pints too many.

It will be a good fight, I totally see Penn winning easily though (Sherk). GSP though, I’m totally tuning in. GSP is so focused and crisp right now. Two fighters that are super well’rounded, know how to train, entertaining, not full of themselves, and freakish in different ways. You just know that BJ has the ability to beat almost anybody with his unique skill-set. Whether he actually does is anyone’s guess, but he’s always fought such highly skilled fighters and many that were much larger than he. He’s got tons of courage. I couldn’t believe how well he hung in there with Machida.

I can’t wait to see:

BJ vs GSP
GSP vs Silva
Silva vs Hendo
Fedor vs Couture
The Axe Murderer vs Whoever
Fitch vs GSP
Serra vs GSP

Etc etc. It’s gonna be a good year.

[quote post="4604"]BJ vs GSP
GSP vs Silva
Silva vs Hendo
Fedor vs Couture
The Axe Murderer vs Whoever
Fitch vs GSP
Serra vs GSP[/quote]
Could I add winner of Karo-Alves vs GSP?
Karo has waited for a while!
In the words of Gorilla Monsoon, it would be a “miscarrage of justice” for Karo to make it so far and never getting a shot. Besides…. Chris Lytle already has the gatekeeper title.

DrubySunshine nice write, but first off St. Pierre won that fight, and everyone wants to talk about Penn being a differnt fighter, well look at Pierre now, he is way way better at every aspect of the game right now.
Marcus Davis is not top 5, how can you not beat somone in the top 10, and be considered top 5 ?
I don’t like Penn, but his performance yesterday was amazing.
The only thing was he looked EXAUSTED wen he was talking to Rogan after the fight. How long was that fight, not even 2 rounds ?
Talking about him beating Pierre, Silva, ect. is just ridicolous, take it one fight at a time. Sherk will be prepared for a 5 round war, let’s not get too ahead of ourself. As for Joe Daddy, it was rather sad because with the upcoming 155 pounders I dont see him ever fighting for the title again.

[quote post="4604"]The only thing was he looked EXAUSTED wen he was talking to Rogan after the fight. How long was that fight, not even 2 rounds ?[/quote]

He was exhausted, but part of it is because of the adrenaline rush he got after winning. Adrenaline is not always good for fighting, because you crash afterwards. That’s why fighters are told not to fight with anger.

i thought this card be horriable but it wasnt that bad card

I dont doubt BJ is one of the more talented fighters, however, what could be gleened from last night? BJ hit Joe early, but Joe was typical in his manner of defense. That is, Joe did not look to be in trouble until the blood started to flow from a skin tearing, but rather minor elbow. I am disapointed because much can happen over 5 rounds and Joe had to take chances once he was cut. Who could defend themselves with that much blood in their eyes? BJ is good – but, in short, that fight did very little to tell me about who was the better fighter and, more specifically, that BJ is one of the best of all time.

What that fight did tell me is that BJ has an attitude that is pretty weak. This – “sherk your dead” and then come back in to shake his hand like he never insulted aherk in front of the fighting world. Call me ignorant, but BJ is a talent but lacks the class of a Silva or GSP. BJ – at the very least, give an after fight interview and stop plugging your website.

good point Pat

[quote comment="274346"]DrubySunshine nice write, but first off St. Pierre won that fight, and everyone wants to talk about Penn being a differnt fighter, well look at Pierre now, he is way way better at every aspect of the game right now.
Marcus Davis is not top 5, how can you not beat somone in the top 10, and be considered top 5 ?
I don’t like Penn, but his performance yesterday was amazing.
The only thing was he looked EXAUSTED wen he was talking to Rogan after the fight. How long was that fight, not even 2 rounds ?
Talking about him beating Pierre, Silva, ect. is just ridicolous, take it one fight at a time. Sherk will be prepared for a 5 round war, let’s not get too ahead of ourself. As for Joe Daddy, it was rather sad because with the upcoming 155 pounders I dont see him ever fighting for the title again.[/quote]

Technically St. Pierre did win that fight. I also do not think Penn was robbed whatsoever. I just think Penn won the fight. He dominated the stand up game for 2 rounds then he gassed in the 3rd. The decision could have gone either way but I thought Penn won, but thats just one mans opinion. Marcus Davis may not have fought a top 10 fighter, but he has won 11 STRAIGHT fights. 9 of them hes finished and 8 of them only lasted 1 round. He may be fighting lesser competition, but hes doing what your suppose to against less talented guys hes dominating them. He deserves a chance against a big name to prove he belongs after 11 straight wins in the UFC youve earned it.

Penn VS Sherk article

http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=5500&zoneid=13

Call me an idiot or whatever you want, glad i was able to get you guys talking. Ill post somemore crazy shit as the days go on, just be sure to congratulate me when my predictions come true, all of you. I feel ya Chris, BJ thanks you!

The Sakara and Hardonk fights were the biggest turds I’ve ever seen.

I was rooting for bj to win but I fealt so bad for joe daddy when he was hysterically crying afterword. hes too much of a sweatheart for this sport. I also thought that was hilarious when bj said sherk was dead and sherk came up and was getting booed and he was like I dont care you can boo me all you want. what a loser. I think he was wearing that same stupid shirt to gsp/serra

Couple things,

Penn has stated in an interview that if it ever came down to it, he would probably take a fight against Joe Lauzon in order to defend the title, reasons being this is a business and a career, Joe needs to try to attain his dreams and take his career as far as he can take it. That’s kind of a difference in mentality between a fighter and a martial artist. Martial artists don’t have to dislike another a person to compete against him. That said, Joe will not be ready to take on BJ anytime soon anyway.

2ndly, Marcus Davis is not top 5. The way to get ranked is to fight ranked fighters and Marcus Davis has not done that yet.

Damnit! Here I am watching every ufc for yhe last year and I slack off and miss what sounds like some awsome fights. Stupid gonzaga and grove cost me almost all my mmaplayground money on the seasons first event.
I can’t wait to see Penn vs Sherk. I don’t see how sherk wins that one. BJ’s standup is way to good for him to tangle with. I can see sherk eventually taking BJ down but then he’d probably get subbed.
A fired up Penn vs a fired up GSP would be an even better fight than the first. I still say gsp barely won the first fight.

[quote comment="274400"]The Sakara and Hardonk fights were the biggest turds I’ve ever seen.[/quote]
Hey man, stuff happens…be glad that didn’t happen to anybody on the main fight card.

[quote comment="274348"][quote post="4604"]The only thing was he looked EXAUSTED wen he was talking to Rogan after the fight. How long was that fight, not even 2 rounds ?[/quote]

He was exhausted, but part of it is because of the adrenaline rush he got after winning. Adrenaline is not always good for fighting, because you crash afterwards. That’s why fighters are told not to fight with anger.[/quote]

I also got the impression that BJ was exaggerating the exhaustion, I think it was out of respect for Joe. BJ probably wanted to give the impression that it was a hard fight but the reality was it wasn’t for him.

Even if his cardio was not up to scratch, I still think he would have his breath back at least for the post fight interview which he didn’t.

anybody konw if there is a website i can see the fights again???

[quote post="4604"]I also got the impression that BJ was exaggerating the exhaustion, I think it was out of respect for Joe. BJ probably wanted to give the impression that it was a hard fight but the reality was it wasn’t for him.[/quote]
good call, they are still friends after all. Kinda sux that Joe and Kendall both lost. Kendall b-ing Godfather to Joe’s kids. Kendall like BJ also from Hawaii. Just wierd. Ya know?

Not to mention both Joe and BJ looked up Hermes Franca to help train with. Franca went w/ BJ b/c BJ called him first.

gonzaga is sponsered by condom deport hahahahaahahahahha

My first UFC event and twas 50 times better than what I expected. Got to see great fights aka Kelly V Taylor & Davis V Liaudin
I’m officially hooked for life
Got to kinda speak to Dana White after and he said he loved the Irish and hopefully will host a shpw in Dublin in the future.
I thought twas a loada crap the way every dissed Sherk. Still my favourite fighter for his work ethic and respect. Hope he beats BJ
Can’t wait to go again to it
Worth flying from Cork to England. The fans were brilliant

I respect Sean’s work ethic. I respect BJ’s newfound work ethic more.

[quote comment="274190"][quote comment="274179"]I wouldnt be so quick to crown BJ as one of the best in the sport. Lets see him fight some more top names and win. Sherk, GSP, Hughes, and Anderson Silva are all viable options to prove his dominance.[/quote]
Nah, crown him now! Sherk isnt shit, Hughes has only won 45 seconds of the total 3and a half rounds he has faught against BJ ( and that was the old BJ, new BJ = NO CONTEST!!) When you get into GSP/Silva you’re talking some sense, GSP 2 and 3 will be epics with BJ coming out on top of both via bloody submission. Silva Would be the next level, and then redemption on Lyotto Machida, and then Fedor. And YES i said it haters, BJ WILL be the first and only fighter to get the W on Fedor! That win will cement BJ Penn in MMA history. Doubt all you want but you’ll see it in about 3 years live on PayPerView so whatever, just remember i said it and have been saying it for about a year now evr since Fedor was available to leave pride and fight elsewhere.[/quote]
Someone is getting a little carried away. Penn looked better than ever,but the fight was less than 2 rounds and BJ was so winded he could barely talk after the fight. GSP gassed Hughes in 1 1/2 rounds and Matt has one of the biggest gas tanks in the game. GSP fought full out for over 9 minutes and he looked to be as fresh as when he started. Looks like BJ isn’t the only one who increased his cardio. Has Bj increased his cardio a full 4 rounds, because he was gassed after the 1st at 58? No matter what your take was on the first fight, one thing for sure is, if that was a 5 round fight there would be no question who won. The rematch will be 5 rounds. Bj’s cardio will be better I’m sure, but so will GSP’s. Now as far as BJ beating Fedor, he’s good, but he AIN’T that good.

Well a couple of things IMO all around good card but can someone please tell me why FIGHTERS after they win(ALL FIGHTERS) don’t ever answer Joe rogans question he ask them?
Rogan: so can you tell me how you feel after that win?
any fighter: I would like to thank my training partners my family an everyone else.
Rogan: so after you had him hurt bad an you went in for the finish did you think the ref would stop the fight?
any fighter: I trained hard,like to give a shout out to all my fans.
Rogan: so whats next for you?
any fighter: after party at studio 54
An how in the same hell does Wierdum get a shot at the title before Eddie Sanchez he is coming off a tko victory.

The eddie sanchez line was a joke i don’t want no trouble with the higher bloggers who take everything to far. it’s just jokes lol lol

[quote comment="274188"]I don’t see how Davis should be even mentioned in the Top 10 he hasn’t fought anybody that holds a top ten ranking. He might have put together a string of decent victories but he hasn’t beaten anybody of a decent caliber. Davis is coming along great
and riding a lot of momentum, let him continue to inch his way up. I don’t want to see him get destroyed.[/quote]

I could not agree more.
i don’t think fitch would have any trouble with davis

Everyone has a bad day. Grove got caught (twice), Daddy was just outclassed and the cut didn’t help. Taylor needs ground game. The list goes on. Everyone’s flaws leads to another fighter’s victory. Those who win today may not win tomorrow.

[quote comment="274247"][quote comment="274239"]I wasnt inpressed with BJ PENN performance. So now everyone is telling me that because bj beat joe stevenson hes some kind of legend. Thats a load of crap. When he loses to sherk i wannna see him move up to WW and fight GSP and finish off BJs career. SHERK and GSP are far better fighters than BJ will ever be. Hawian fighters suck period look at kendall groove. KO of the night there.[/quote]
If you can’t watch last nights fight and see the dominance of that performance, you don’t know fighting. If you can watch the Pulver/Penn fight and not see BJ’s dominance, you don’t know fighting. This is a different Penn than 2 years ago.
And judging Hawaiian fighters off of Kendall f-cking Grove is ridiculous. We all know Grove is overrated. Grove is nowhere near BJ Penn.
Are you kidding me?[/quote]
Dominace…that a strong word. You mean by he dominated him by getting mount and not being able to keep it there. Yes he finally got the mount then back and got the choke. But if you really watched the fight stevenson lost the fight once he went down down in the second round. Due to that cut.

[quote comment="274281"][quote comment="274264"][quote comment="274239"]I wasnt inpressed with BJ PENN performance. So now everyone is telling me that because bj beat joe stevenson hes some kind of legend. Thats a load of crap. When he loses to sherk i wannna see him move up to WW and fight GSP and finish off BJs career. SHERK and GSP are far better fighters than BJ will ever be. Hawian fighters suck period look at kendall groove. KO of the night there.[/quote]
hit the nail on the head[/quote]

Some peeps need to drink a few bottles of Haterade.[/quote]
Hit the nailn on the head already had mine.

Yo yo yo, Big WHATUP 2 DA WhiteRhino, funny stuff and good point at the same time. Thats whatsup!
Rogan: Were u hurt at all during the fight?
fighter: Thanks for all the support from the fans.
Rogan: Who would you like to fight next?
fighter: Mom and Dad, I’m coming home.
Rogan: Any final words for the fans?
fighter: Tapout,Full Contact Fighter, sponsor,sponsor,etc

Sure glad I caught that interveiw. It answered all my questions.LOL

sure glad this card is over…i would rather have watched…monday night raw wrestling…what a shitty card this was….they say pretty good fights happened but with a card filled with a bunch of nobodys i guess there would be knockouts….did anyone really think stevenson had a shot?,,,,,what a joke!!!

Y has Dana granted Werdum an immediate title shot against the winner of Noguerra/Sylvia….Heavyweight division is turning into a joke. Dana is just gonna let Arlovski’s contract expire and sign with M-1 wich is a very dumb idea!…Division needs help!

Marcus Davis is a good fighter, but he isn’t a top 5. He’s definatly not a top 5 in the world and probibly not in the UFC either. I also don’t believe he can beat a true top five guy like Jon Fitch. Fitch is just a bad style match-up for Davis. Marcus wouldn’t be able to stop Fitch from taking him down.
Top 5 in the UFC are as follows:
1. Georges St. Pierre
2. Jon Fitch
3. Matt Hughes
4. Josh Koscheck
5. Diego Sanchez

In case you’re asking I have Karo 6th WW champion Matt Serra 7th and the aformentioned Marcus Davis 8th. He’s a great fighter who hasn’t fought anybody at all.

What about Thiago Alves, Josh Burkman and Swick? I guess you’ll wait until after Wednesday and see where they fit.

gonzaga and crocop II!

[quote comment="274199"][quote comment="274179"]I wouldnt be so quick to crown BJ as one of the best in the sport. Lets see him fight some more top names and win. Sherk, GSP, Hughes, and Anderson Silva are all viable options to prove his dominance.[/quote]

He beat Hughes, in many peoples eyes beat St.Peirre, need I go on?[/quote]
Yes,you must elaborate, because last I saw Hughes was trying to make a pancake out of his head and in MOST peoples eyes (not to mention the JUDGES eyes) GSP WON. In the past 3 years BJ is batting 500 and he lost to both guys you mentioned, so yes it is to quick to crown him the best in the sport. I always look forward to watching BJ’s fights (they are always exciting),but untill he beats GSP I will hold off from crowning him the best. It’s one thing to only beat the champ to get the belt(which BJ has done for BOTH belt) actually he hasn’t beat Sherk yet.It’s a completely different story to be able to get through the 4 or 5 top guys and then beat the champ. Due to different styles, just because you can defeat the champ, doesn’t mean you can beat the top 4 contenders if you took the hard way to the belt. Sera is the perfect example. How many people think Sera would even get a title shot if he took the same path as GSP? If BJ can beat Sherk (which I doubt,yet hope he does for GSP vs Penn 2)and a couple of the top LWs then he is no doubt the best LW in the world. Same for GSP he has to beat Sera and Fitch to be considered the undisputed best WW in the world. If all goes well for both of them , I just wonder how they will have a rematch if GSP moves to MW.

BJ Penn as the best ever…no
one of the best ever…not yet
will he be…depends on how serious he takes this run as champ

bj is an unbelievable talent, no questioning that, but he has been known to not take his career seriously and hes getting all this hype after beating a shitty version of what was once known as a great fighter in jens pulver and yes he beat joe stevenson and beat him badly but its one fight. lets see him win a few more against some good fighters before we start giving him a crown. i am a bj penn fan but i think he needs to beat sherk for sure. i would also like to see him and gomi fight again even though he already beat him then id like to see him beat florian and huerta to really solidify his name as the best ever in the division and then move back up to welterweight for his revenge against gsp. will he get revenge on gsp…depends on what bj and gsp show up. gsp at his best will beat bj at his best 9/10 times but gsp is injury prone and we all saw what happened against serra.
now as for quite possibly the dumbest comment i have ever seen…..you will never see bj vs fedor…EVER! so stop even saying it.
finally here is my choices at top 5 pound for pound when they are at their best.

1. anderson silva
2. georges st pierre
3. bj penn
4. takanori gomi
5. randy couture

[quote comment="274267"][quote comment="274254"][quote comment="274185"]Manics : What a fight card. From the first televised fight that set the tone for the night, the UFC delivered on their first PPV of 2008. BJ Penn looked like he would of beat up on Fedor Emelianenko. For all non believer`s take notice, we are priviledged to be in a era of MMA that have some of the best fighters in the world. With the next few PPV and UFN we will be treated with some elite MMA. Guys, 2008 will blow 2007 out the water. UFC 80 set the tone for this fiscal MMA year.[/quote]
I agree what a great card. BJ is the bomb! However he was pretty out of breath at the end of the fight, which worries me becuase Sherk fights at a fast pace, and if BJ does not beat him early he might not be able to go a full 5 rounds with Sherk.[/quote]
BJ was the bomb? who says that “the bomb” anymore, dude your hurting[/quote]
Just so I can be as cool as you, what terms should I use next time?

[quote comment="274254"][quote comment="274185"]Manics : What a fight card. From the first televised fight that set the tone for the night, the UFC delivered on their first PPV of 2008. BJ Penn looked like he would of beat up on Fedor Emelianenko. For all non believer`s take notice, we are priviledged to be in a era of MMA that have some of the best fighters in the world. With the next few PPV and UFN we will be treated with some elite MMA. Guys, 2008 will blow 2007 out the water. UFC 80 set the tone for this fiscal MMA year.[/quote]
I agree what a great card. BJ is the bomb! However he was pretty out of breath at the end of the fight, which worries me becuase Sherk fights at a fast pace, and if BJ does not beat him early he might not be able to go a full 5 rounds with Sherk.[/quote]
Nice to see someone besides me noticed that BJ was breathing a little to hard for 2 rounds.

I’ve asked this before but have never got an intelligent answer so I’ll ask it again, what did penn do to win rounds two and three against gsp in there fight back in 2006? I want to see the other side of the argument but can’t, yes penn won round one, gsp was bloodied up, I know that but WHAT did penn do to win rounds 2 and 3? Gsp did very little himself, but he did take him down a few times which counts for something, “octagon control”, the fight was close and I’ve seen it at least 10 or more times and each time I see gsp as the winner, by the skin of his balls. Gsp was seeing double after the eye poke or gouge whatever you want to call it, gets his nose broken within the first minute or so of the fight and still brings it to him. To me this is very impressive, fighting with blurred vision and a broken nose, it leads me to think had that not happened gsp would have easily won a clear decision, to win after all that, a major handicap and still pull through. I seriously wonder how people watch that fight and conclude penn would smash gsp if they fought again, makes absolutely no sense to me. I’m trying to see things objectively but if octagon control means anything how the hell could you give rounds 2 and 3 to penn I don’t see it. In a 5 round fight gsp would cream penn, unless penn ko’s or submits him early on. Penn should stay at lightweight and try to dominate that division first before he even thinks about moving up, he’s going to be lethal at lightweight. He’d be good at welter weight but there’s a few guys who have a good chance of beating him there so I think he should stay a lightweight.

I know I’m not alone in my thoughts about the gsp/penn fight they’ve done a poll, can’t remember where and about 2/3 thought gsp won. In the hammil/bisping fight something like 90% thought hammil won, interesting.

And for the record I didn’t like gsp in 2006, I was very pissed when he beat hughes who was my favorite fighter at the time. Early in 2007 before the serra fight I started to like him as a fighter, and know he’s one of my favorites, quite a turn around.

SHERK IS GONNA BEAT DOWN BJ IM SORRY FO ALL U PEOPLE OF BJS JOCK…HE WILL B DIEING OUT OF BREATH AFTER ROUND 1 THEN GROUND AND POUND VICTORY IN ROUND 2 ITS OBVIOUS

AND MARCUS DAVIS IS WORTHY OF AT LEAST FIGHTING A TOP 5 GUY HE COULD B TOP 5 QUIT HATEING

Uhm what in the hell is with Werdum getting a title shot??? who did he beat? Gabriel “One Kick Wonder” Gonzaga and he lost to Andre “Mike Vick Wouldn’t Even Bet On This Pitbull” Arlovski. Yeah I know he’s a veteren with world class BJJ but come now lets be honest if Heath “I Thought He Was Out” Herring had beat minotauro he wouldn’t have got the title shot with TIMMAYYY. Joe Silva really needs to get off these pride guys nuts. Cro Cop 2 losses Shogun Asleep Wanderlei decision i mean keep passing these guys off as the best and your fucking your own roster! It’s sad that they waste all that money on these “names” and they get here and prove what we all already knew Pride was all hype with the exception of a few that were legimit top guys I mean honestly lets go get some people that we all want to see.

Hasn’t Dana Learned from Cro Cop on how to get fedor??? Sign Alexsander let Couture destroy him Fedor will stand in the locker room watching the moniter get pissed off sign a contract and we can finally see that fight damn it people!

Nathan I agree with you completely. I have no idea how anyone can say that he won round number 2 or 3. Penn fans are the only ones saying that.

[quote comment="274348"][quote post="4604"]The only thing was he looked EXAUSTED wen he was talking to Rogan after the fight. How long was that fight, not even 2 rounds ?[/quote]

He was exhausted, but part of it is because of the adrenaline rush he got after winning. Adrenaline is not always good for fighting, because you crash afterwards. That’s why fighters are told not to fight with anger.[/quote]
Wouldn’t the adrenaline rush after winning cause him to be less out of breath. Adrenaline takes longer than 2 minutes to leave your blood stream.

[quote comment="274190"][quote comment="274179"]I wouldnt be so quick to crown BJ as one of the best in the sport. Lets see him fight some more top names and win. Sherk, GSP, Hughes, and Anderson Silva are all viable options to prove his dominance.[/quote]
Nah, crown him now! Sherk isnt shit, Hughes has only won 45 seconds of the total 3and a half rounds he has faught against BJ ( and that was the old BJ, new BJ = NO CONTEST!!) When you get into GSP/Silva you’re talking some sense, GSP 2 and 3 will be epics with BJ coming out on top of both via bloody submission. Silva Would be the next level, and then redemption on Lyotto Machida, and then Fedor. And YES i said it haters, BJ WILL be the first and only fighter to get the W on Fedor! That win will cement BJ Penn in MMA history. Doubt all you want but you’ll see it in about 3 years live on PayPerView so whatever, just remember i said it and have been saying it for about a year now evr since Fedor was available to leave pride and fight elsewhere.[/quote]
You want to crown his, then crown his ass! He is who we thought he was!

[quote comment="274682"][quote comment="274267"][quote comment="274254"][quote comment="274185"]Manics : What a fight card. From the first televised fight that set the tone for the night, the UFC delivered on their first PPV of 2008. BJ Penn looked like he would of beat up on Fedor Emelianenko. For all non believer`s take notice, we are priviledged to be in a era of MMA that have some of the best fighters in the world. With the next few PPV and UFN we will be treated with some elite MMA. Guys, 2008 will blow 2007 out the water. UFC 80 set the tone for this fiscal MMA year.[/quote]
I agree what a great card. BJ is the bomb! However he was pretty out of breath at the end of the fight, which worries me becuase Sherk fights at a fast pace, and if BJ does not beat him early he might not be able to go a full 5 rounds with Sherk.[/quote]
BJ was the bomb? who says that “the bomb” anymore, dude your hurting[/quote]
Just so I can be as cool as you, what terms should I use next time?[/quote]
I believe all the cool kids are saying “fresh” and “ill” now.

[quote comment="274742"][quote comment="274348"][quote post="4604"]The only thing was he looked EXAUSTED wen he was talking to Rogan after the fight. How long was that fight, not even 2 rounds ?[/quote]

He was exhausted, but part of it is because of the adrenaline rush he got after winning. Adrenaline is not always good for fighting, because you crash afterwards. That’s why fighters are told not to fight with anger.[/quote]
Wouldn’t the adrenaline rush after winning cause him to be less out of breath. Adrenaline takes longer than 2 minutes to leave your blood stream.[/quote]
Out of breath out of shreath, BJ’s CHAMP! HAHAHAH! HAA to all you haters HA HA HA!!!! “oh bj looked tired and breathing hard WEEEEEY WEYYYYY All of you guys should hit up Joe Stevenson, you guys can cry together. That was some of the sweetest mounting and standup in days. Keep saying wait ’til this fighter, wait ’til that fighter . . Whatever, i cant wait!!! Now that BJ is in shape, believe me i cant wait!!!! He was like a freaking warrior god out there, precision striking, the BEST BJJ in the world, and a gentleman.

[quote comment="274261"][quote comment="274188"]I don’t see how Davis should be even mentioned in the Top 10 he hasn’t fought anybody that holds a top ten ranking. He might have put together a string of decent victories but he hasn’t beaten anybody of a decent caliber. Davis is coming along great
and riding a lot of momentum, let him continue to inch his way up. I don’t want to see him get destroyed.[/quote]
This comment says it all,(regarding Marcus Davis) except for not seeing him get destroyed, i cant wait to see Davis get destroyed , he needs to be put in his place, the guy is way to cocky![/quote]

Marcus Davis is a class act. He always respects his opponents, works his ass off and does nothing but finish people. I agree that he needs to fight some better competition, but he doesn’t pick who he fights, he just finishes them.

I feel bad for stevenson, really wanted him to win

I think Joe Rogan that said during Penns fight that no one wants to lose by a cut and no one wants to win by a cut.
I don’t really think thats true but if the fighters could agree on it what would be stopping the ufc from allowing more sophisticated blood clotting agents in the ring?

[quote comment="274702"]I’ve asked this before but have never got an intelligent answer so I’ll ask it again, what did penn do to win rounds two and three against gsp in there fight back in 2006? I want to see the other side of the argument but can’t, yes penn won round one, gsp was bloodied up, I know that but WHAT did penn do to win rounds 2 and 3? Gsp did very little himself, but he did take him down a few times which counts for something, “octagon control”, the fight was close and I’ve seen it at least 10 or more times and each time I see gsp as the winner, by the skin of his balls. Gsp was seeing double after the eye poke or gouge whatever you want to call it, gets his nose broken within the first minute or so of the fight and still brings it to him. To me this is very impressive, fighting with blurred vision and a broken nose, it leads me to think had that not happened gsp would have easily won a clear decision, to win after all that, a major handicap and still pull through. I seriously wonder how people watch that fight and conclude penn would smash gsp if they fought again, makes absolutely no sense to me. I’m trying to see things objectively but if octagon control means anything how the hell could you give rounds 2 and 3 to penn I don’t see it. In a 5 round fight gsp would cream penn, unless penn ko’s or submits him early on. Penn should stay at lightweight and try to dominate that division first before he even thinks about moving up, he’s going to be lethal at lightweight. He’d be good at welter weight but there’s a few guys who have a good chance of beating him there so I think he should stay a lightweight.[/quote]
Nathan, you took the words right out of my mouth. I have challenged anyone to record the time(s)that BJ was landing all the strikes that won him the fight and post them so I can see what I’m missing. I’v seen that fight 100 times, and BJ swung lots ,but punching air or GSP’s arm doesn’t score alot of points. BJ landed 1 not bad body shot and 1 leg kick besides the eye and the nose shots. GSP kicked BJ in the head, buckled his knees with 2 or 3 hard leg kicks and landed at least 10 more. Also GSP landed 2 spinning back kicks (not like the one on Hughes, but still landed). GSP landed a few stiff jabs and he took Penn down FOUR times and landed a few elbows. The rest of the time GSP had BJ pinned agaist the fence. BJ’s face looked no worse for the ware, but when does it. The guys skin is just as flexable as his joints, I can’t remember seeing him cut. At the end BJ won the beauty contest, but GSP won the fight. Eddie Bravo knows how to score a fight and he had Georges winning. With Rogan sounding like a broken record,” his face is BUSTED UUUP” ” his face is BUSTED UUUP” , or Mike saying near the end of the second round, ” Now St.Pierre is scoring his first points”,led some to beleive BJ won. That’s the long answer to your question Nathan. The short answer to “What did BJ do in rounds 2 and 3 to win the fight”. He did DIDDLY SQUAT. I realize one can miss things by only seeing the fight from one angle, but GSP had the best seat in the house and in an interveiw he said, Bj only punched him in the eye and nose,thats it. If this fight was in the 5th grade on the playground, BJ wins, hands down (who ever bleeds the most loses),but in the octagon, with octagon rules, GSP wins ,plain and simple. Not by a landslide by any means, but a wins none the less.

I have 8 fight videos from UFC 80 up on my blog

Check out some CRAZY finishes

[quote comment="274742"][quote comment="274348"][quote post="4604"]The only thing was he looked EXAUSTED wen he was talking to Rogan after the fight. How long was that fight, not even 2 rounds ?[/quote]

He was exhausted, but part of it is because of the adrenaline rush he got after winning. Adrenaline is not always good for fighting, because you crash afterwards. That’s why fighters are told not to fight with anger.[/quote]
Wouldn’t the adrenaline rush after winning cause him to be less out of breath. Adrenaline takes longer than 2 minutes to leave your blood stream.[/quote]

it’s not adrenaline or whatever… just plain acting. ive seen him fought with ugly love handles and not look as tired. look at how improved his body is now. how could anyone think he was really exhausted???? penn’s just want sherk to believe what evryone is saying about his stamina…

[quote comment="274733"]Uhm what in the hell is with Werdum getting a title shot??? who did he beat? Gabriel “One Kick Wonder” Gonzaga and he lost to Andre “Mike Vick Wouldn’t Even Bet On This Pitbull” Arlovski. Yeah I know he’s a veteren with world class BJJ but come now lets be honest if Heath “I Thought He Was Out” Herring had beat minotauro he wouldn’t have got the title shot with TIMMAYYY. Joe Silva really needs to get off these pride guys nuts. Cro Cop 2 losses Shogun Asleep Wanderlei decision i mean keep passing these guys off as the best and your fucking your own roster! It’s sad that they waste all that money on these “names” and they get here and prove what we all already knew Pride was all hype with the exception of a few that were legimit top guys I mean honestly lets go get some people that we all want to see.

Hasn’t Dana Learned from Cro Cop on how to get fedor??? Sign Alexsander let Couture destroy him Fedor will stand in the locker room watching the moniter get pissed off sign a contract and we can finally see that fight damn it people![/quote]

That Idea also came to mind. If Dana were to sign Aleksander and Randy beat up on Aleksander…no doubt in my mid Fedor would have been in the UFC looking to Avenge his little brothers loss by whooping on Randy. Thats exactly how Fedor decided to fight cro cop, after watching cro cop kick his lil brothers head off!

Good Point!

Check out this UFC news:

* The UFC will hold an event at London’s 02 Arena in June.

* Germany will also host an event this year, as could Croatia, Ireland and Scotland.

* White confirmed that the UFC will never strip Randy Couture of the heavyweight title: “He’s got a half million of my money. He can fight. He can fight if he wants to. We’ll keep it (an interim title) forever. Believe me, we’ll hold on forever.”……..Dana is being a real A-hole…All this so Randy doesn’t fight Fedor….It will still happen, Dana cant stop it forever!

* Marcus Davis, who defeated Jess Liaudin for his 11th straight win (including his sixth straight in the UFC), again said he wants to fight former PRIDE lightweight champ Takanori Gomi in his next fight.

So Marcus Davis vs. Takanori Gomi…..WOW!!! I would love to see that. All UFC fighters are talking about Gomi like he already is in the UFC. I hope my source was right.

Also Kim Couture, Randy’s new mony hungry wife is looking to make her MMA debut in Febuary!

Y doesnt Marcus Davis drop to 155 lb? instead of competing against giant 170 lb fighters like Burkman, swick, Fitch, Gsp…who will all be much bigger then Marcus. Marcus keeps calling out Takanori but Gomi would fight at 155 lb. So if the UFC signs Gomi, Davis will need to cut to 155. I think that would be an amazing Octagon Debut

Gomi vs. Davis at 155 lb………FIREWORKS!!!!

Also UFC 84:

sam stout vs. Rich Clementi

BJ penn has a secret weapon to beat sherk…
and it’s not what you think…

sherk will probably test negative for superhuman “normal” levels of nandrolone–which will mean A) he’s no longer roiding and therefore he WAS GUILTY or B) he DOES normally walk around with superhuman “normal” levels of nandrolone and the lab made a mistake AGAIN!!!! stop for a moment and reflect on that. you see the problem here don’t you? can’t wait to see what happens with his next drug test. because if he walks around with high levels of nandrolone because he’s some superathlete like SO MANY of his nuthuggers suppose, then he should test positive again and bj will win and keep the belt regardless of what happens.

if sherk truly was roiding and stops–bj is going to have THAT advantage. oh look what happend to jason giambi and jose canseco after they stopped…..they SUCKED.

ViolentMike and PhilQNY: Before you guys sign on this site and break my ballz I want to offer congradualtions to your New York Giants. thats wasnt an easy thing for me to say, being such a huge EAGLES fan. Green Bay had all the chances in the world to win the game but they didnt take advantage.
Its sad to see such a percocet popping Warrior like Favre come so close but loose. No Offense to the Giants, but how did they get to this point? THey sucked! The best thing that ever happened to the Giants was decising to take PRIDE and play all the players against the patriots in the last game of the season, that game gave the giants a new fond confidence that they road all the way to the super bowl!

YUK!!!!

[quote post="4604"]I’ve asked this before but have never got an intelligent answer so I’ll ask it again, what did penn do to win rounds two and three against gsp in there fight back in 2006? I want to see the other side of the argument but can’t, yes penn won round one, gsp was bloodied up, I know that but WHAT did penn do to win rounds 2 and 3? Gsp did very little himself, but he did take him down a few times which counts for something, “octagon control”, the fight was close and I’ve seen it at least 10 or more times and each time I see gsp as the winner, by the skin of his balls. Gsp was seeing double after the eye poke or gouge whatever you want to call it, gets his nose broken within the first minute or so of the fight and still brings it to him. To me this is very impressive, fighting with blurred vision and a broken nose, it leads me to think had that not happened gsp would have easily won a clear decision, to win after all that, a major handicap and still pull through. I seriously wonder how people watch that fight and conclude penn would smash gsp if they fought again, makes absolutely no sense to me. I’m trying to see things objectively but if octagon control means anything how the hell could you give rounds 2 and 3 to penn I don’t see it. In a 5 round fight gsp would cream penn, unless penn ko’s or submits him early on. Penn should stay at lightweight and try to dominate that division first before he even thinks about moving up, he’s going to be lethal at lightweight. He’d be good at welter weight but there’s a few guys who have a good chance of beating him there so I think he should stay a lightweight. [/quote]
Could not agree with you more. I think Penn could dominate 155, but he needs to be careful that Sherk doesn’t win rounds 3, 4 and 5 for a decision. Finishing Sherk could be a challenge, but Penn may be talking himself up to it.

[quote comment="275227"]ViolentMike and PhilQNY: Before you guys sign on this site and break my ballz I want to offer congradualtions to your New York Giants. thats wasnt an easy thing for me to say, being such a huge EAGLES fan. Green Bay had all the chances in the world to win the game but they didnt take advantage.
Its sad to see such a percocet popping Warrior like Favre come so close but loose. No Offense to the Giants, but how did they get to this point? THey sucked! The best thing that ever happened to the Giants was decising to take PRIDE and play all the players against the patriots in the last game of the season, that game gave the giants a new fond confidence that they road all the way to the super bowl!

YUK!!!![/quote]
You’re a bigger man than I am John. I’m a Cowboys fan, and I say the G-Persons can kiss my silver and blue ass.

[quote comment="275237"][quote comment="275227"]ViolentMike and PhilQNY: Before you guys sign on this site and break my ballz I want to offer congradualtions to your New York Giants. thats wasnt an easy thing for me to say, being such a huge EAGLES fan. Green Bay had all the chances in the world to win the game but they didnt take advantage.
Its sad to see such a percocet popping Warrior like Favre come so close but loose. No Offense to the Giants, but how did they get to this point? THey sucked! The best thing that ever happened to the Giants was decising to take PRIDE and play all the players against the patriots in the last game of the season, that game gave the giants a new fond confidence that they road all the way to the super bowl!

YUK!!!![/quote]
You’re a bigger man than I am John. I’m a Cowboys fan, and I say the G-Persons can kiss my silver and blue ass.[/quote]

This years superbowl just doesn’t interest me the least bit. 2 bad the UFC 81 event that will go down the night before interests me even less…….. Let the Countdown to March 1st begin!

[quote comment="274702"]I’ve asked this before but have never got an intelligent answer so I’ll ask it again, what did penn do to win rounds two and three against gsp in there fight back in 2006? I want to see the other side of the argument but can’t, yes penn won round one, gsp was bloodied up, I know that but WHAT did penn do to win rounds 2 and 3? Gsp did very little himself, but he did take him down a few times which counts for something, “octagon control”, the fight was close and I’ve seen it at least 10 or more times and each time I see gsp as the winner, by the skin of his balls. Gsp was seeing double after the eye poke or gouge whatever you want to call it, gets his nose broken within the first minute or so of the fight and still brings it to him. To me this is very impressive, fighting with blurred vision and a broken nose, it leads me to think had that not happened gsp would have easily won a clear decision, to win after all that, a major handicap and still pull through. I seriously wonder how people watch that fight and conclude penn would smash gsp if they fought again, makes absolutely no sense to me. I’m trying to see things objectively but if octagon control means anything how the hell could you give rounds 2 and 3 to penn I don’t see it. In a 5 round fight gsp would cream penn, unless penn ko’s or submits him early on. Penn should stay at lightweight and try to dominate that division first before he even thinks about moving up, he’s going to be lethal at lightweight. He’d be good at welter weight but there’s a few guys who have a good chance of beating him there so I think he should stay a lightweight.[/quote]
I would have to go back and watch the fight again to give you a solid reason why, however from memory I felt Penn won round 1 and then round 2 by a slight margin. GSP is my favorite fighter so I am not speaking with a bias toward BJ, it is my objective take on the fight.

This is what I think of the BJ-Sherk fight: BJ will score points on Sherk standing up. Both guys have granite chins, so I don’t see either of them getting KO’d, but BJ’s more technical and will get the better of Sherk on the feet. Sherk will relentlessly try to take the fight to the ground. He might not succeed most times, but I see him getting BJ on the ground. Sherk will land some short shots, but I don’t think he can pass BJ’s guard or submit him. Hell, I don’t even know if he’ll try. I see Sherk trying to lay on BJ for a decision. The question is, can he be on top of BJ for most of the 5 rounds? I don’t see it. Another thing is, if Sherk is in BJ’s guard, Sherk might be scoring points, but it’s not a bad spot for BJ because a) he can rest, and b) he can submit Sherk from his back. All this Sherk “powering out of any subs” talk is bullshit. It’s not gonna be power vs. power. It’s gonna be superior BJJ technique vs. power. I don’t even have to say which one wins out.

[quote comment="275285"]This is what I think of the BJ-Sherk fight: BJ will score points on Sherk standing up. Both guys have granite chins, so I don’t see either of them getting KO’d, but BJ’s more technical and will get the better of Sherk on the feet. Sherk will relentlessly try to take the fight to the ground. He might not succeed most times, but I see him getting BJ on the ground. Sherk will land some short shots, but I don’t think he can pass BJ’s guard or submit him. Hell, I don’t even know if he’ll try. I see Sherk trying to lay on BJ for a decision. The question is, can he be on top of BJ for most of the 5 rounds? I don’t see it. Another thing is, if Sherk is in BJ’s guard, Sherk might be scoring points, but it’s not a bad spot for BJ because a) he can rest, and b) he can submit Sherk from his back. All this Sherk “powering out of any subs” talk is bullshit. It’s not gonna be power vs. power. It’s gonna be superior BJJ technique vs. power. I don’t even have to say which one wins out.[/quote]
I think this is a pretty good assessment (prediction?). Sure would have liked to see the fight go further with Stevenson, though. The cut was definitely the difference. BJ came out strong, but once he weathered BJ’s initial rush, Joe was starting to hold his own. Then the cut and it was basically over. Sherk will come out firing, but BJ is the more well-rounded fighter. But Sherk doesn’t gas, so BJ had better not.

[quote comment="275255"][quote comment="275237"][quote comment="275227"]ViolentMike and PhilQNY: Before you guys sign on this site and break my ballz I want to offer congradualtions to your New York Giants. thats wasnt an easy thing for me to say, being such a huge EAGLES fan. Green Bay had all the chances in the world to win the game but they didnt take advantage.
Its sad to see such a percocet popping Warrior like Favre come so close but loose. No Offense to the Giants, but how did they get to this point? THey sucked! The best thing that ever happened to the Giants was decising to take PRIDE and play all the players against the patriots in the last game of the season, that game gave the giants a new fond confidence that they road all the way to the super bowl!

YUK!!!![/quote]
You’re a bigger man than I am John. I’m a Cowboys fan, and I say the G-Persons can kiss my silver and blue ass.[/quote]

This years superbowl just doesn’t interest me the least bit. 2 bad the UFC 81 event that will go down the night before interests me even less…….. Let the Countdown to March 1st begin![/quote]

I agree. What a sad state of affairs. After this week’s UFN, there’s quite a lull in the action.

Back on the BJ vs Joe Stevenson… Sherk will be a completely different test for him, as much as i hate to say it as i really am not a fan of Sherk. And the fact that i saw Joe Stevenson in a casino in Newcastle at gone 3am the NIGHT BEFORE the fight leads me to believe maybe Joe’s preparation and head weren’t where they should have been, i know the fighters often change their body clocks due to the late time of the main fight on a card but what the fuck was he doing in a casino with a load of pissed up dudes the night before the biggest fight of his career!?

[quote comment="274348"][quote post="4604"]The only thing was he looked EXAUSTED wen he was talking to Rogan after the fight. How long was that fight, not even 2 rounds ?[/quote]

He was exhausted, but part of it is because of the adrenaline rush he got after winning. Adrenaline is not always good for fighting, because you crash afterwards. That’s why fighters are told not to fight with anger.[/quote]
I agree i didnt think he was gassed i think he was just taking it in, kinda just zoned out like “fuck, finally”.. but still compared to sherks cardio i think bj will be stuck in a movie called jaws, i really like bj but sherk will make him extremly tired and therefore then kick his ass

I have a question for all of you, who do you think is the best submissions specialist in all MMA? Do you think will win between Couture and fedor, will it ever happen? What is the best style of grappling?

[quote comment="275489"]Back on the BJ vs Joe Stevenson… Sherk will be a completely different test for him, as much as i hate to say it as i really am not a fan of Sherk. And the fact that i saw Joe Stevenson in a casino in Newcastle at gone 3am the NIGHT BEFORE the fight leads me to believe maybe Joe’s preparation and head weren’t where they should have been, i know the fighters often change their body clocks due to the late time of the main fight on a card but what the fuck was he doing in a casino with a load of pissed up dudes the night before the biggest fight of his career!?[/quote]

dude fighters, live the night life because there bodies have to be ready to fight in the main event no earlier then 11:00 pm, so for joe to be up and in a casino at 3 am is meaningless. Dude joe is a pro, that belt meant the world to him. He didnt make any excuses so we shouldn’t…Bj was on another level….Thats all there is to it!

[quote comment="274213"]Well Well Well Penn Did it I for one didn’t know how hungry he would be did anyone get the feeling of HOLY SHIT when that elbow turned stevenson into a bloody mess.. Oh well Joe “Daddy Needs a Band Aid” stevenson had his shot and he’s a great fighter but out of his league with that fight I for one would like to see Joe and Spencer fisher tangle next. Penn will destroy sherk no debating at all on that one.

Can Kendal Grove be any more like his buddy Tito… Talk at that shit boy look what happend I wish herman could get another crack at that goof ball but at this point what does that do for hermans career?

I’m With Mania DAVIS VS. FITCH mr. silva PLEASE!!![/quote]
BJ WILL GET KILLED BY SEAN SHERK PLUS IF THAT CUT HAD NOT HAPPEND AND THE FIGHT HAD MADE IT TO ROUND 3 OR 4 JOE DADDY WOULD HAVE MADE PUNK ASS BJ TAP

[quote comment="274239"]I wasnt inpressed with BJ PENN performance. So now everyone is telling me that because bj beat joe stevenson hes some kind of legend. Thats a load of crap. When he loses to sherk i wannna see him move up to WW and fight GSP and finish off BJs career. SHERK and GSP are far better fighters than BJ will ever be. Hawian fighters suck period look at kendall groove. KO of the night there.[/quote]
U ARE A VERY SMART GUY I COULDNT SAY IT BETTER THANK U
BJ IS A OVERRATED COCKY PUNK

[quote post="4604"]All this Sherk “powering out of any subs” talk is bullshit. It’s not gonna be power vs. power. It’s gonna be superior BJJ technique vs. power. I don’t even have to say which one wins out.[/quote]
Perfectly said, agree 100%
[quote post="4604"]I agree i didnt think he was gassed i think he was just taking it in, kinda just zoned out like “fuck, finally[/quote]
Yeah I don’t think Penn was gassed whatsoever. He alwasy is kinda like that when the fights over. It’s the relief and adrenaline and everything all rolled into one.

[quote comment="275451"][quote comment="275285"]This is what I think of the BJ-Sherk fight: BJ will score points on Sherk standing up. Both guys have granite chins, so I don’t see either of them getting KO’d, but BJ’s more technical and will get the better of Sherk on the feet. Sherk will relentlessly try to take the fight to the ground. He might not succeed most times, but I see him getting BJ on the ground. Sherk will land some short shots, but I don’t think he can pass BJ’s guard or submit him. Hell, I don’t even know if he’ll try. I see Sherk trying to lay on BJ for a decision. The question is, can he be on top of BJ for most of the 5 rounds? I don’t see it. Another thing is, if Sherk is in BJ’s guard, Sherk might be scoring points, but it’s not a bad spot for BJ because a) he can rest, and b) he can submit Sherk from his back. All this Sherk “powering out of any subs” talk is bullshit. It’s not gonna be power vs. power. It’s gonna be superior BJJ technique vs. power. I don’t even have to say which one wins out.[/quote]
I think this is a pretty good assessment (prediction?). Sure would have liked to see the fight go further with Stevenson, though. The cut was definitely the difference. BJ came out strong, but once he weathered BJ’s initial rush, Joe was starting to hold his own. Then the cut and it was basically over. Sherk will come out firing, but BJ is the more well-rounded fighter. But Sherk doesn’t gas, so BJ had better not.[/quote]

Well I would hope that Sherk doesn’t gas in a fight because he only defended it twice in a two year span. He doesn’t even finish fights. I don’t want to come off sounding like a hater, because I know that finishing a fight is not the easiest thing to do. But us fans who stand by the UFC and fork out all the PPV money (10 bucks extra if you wanna watch it in HD) deserve to watch that title being put on the line more often. Look at Rampage, after he won the belt, he made a title defense in a few months. I don’t even have to bring up Anderson Silva because he exemplifies what a true champion is. When Penn won the title on Saturday, a new era started, and Sherk can gain the spotlight back when Penn cleans out the Lightweight division and decides to move back up to welterweight.

[quote comment="275645"][quote comment="274213"]Well Well Well Penn Did it I for one didn’t know how hungry he would be did anyone get the feeling of HOLY SHIT when that elbow turned stevenson into a bloody mess.. Oh well Joe “Daddy Needs a Band Aid” stevenson had his shot and he’s a great fighter but out of his league with that fight I for one would like to see Joe and Spencer fisher tangle next. Penn will destroy sherk no debating at all on that one.

Can Kendal Grove be any more like his buddy Tito… Talk at that shit boy look what happend I wish herman could get another crack at that goof ball but at this point what does that do for hermans career?

I’m With Mania DAVIS VS. FITCH mr. silva PLEASE!!![/quote]
BJ WILL GET KILLED BY SEAN SHERK PLUS IF THAT CUT HAD NOT HAPPEND AND THE FIGHT HAD MADE IT TO ROUND 3 OR 4 JOE DADDY WOULD HAVE MADE PUNK ASS BJ TAP[/quote]

If ifs were a fifth, we would all be drunk! IF this, If that….If he could have made it to round 4…. The reality is he got OUTCLASSSED PERIOD!!!!!

[quote comment="275219"]BJ penn has a secret weapon to beat sherk…
and it’s not what you think…

sherk will probably test negative for superhuman “normal” levels of nandrolone–which will mean A) he’s no longer roiding and therefore he WAS GUILTY or B) he DOES normally walk around with superhuman “normal” levels of nandrolone and the lab made a mistake AGAIN!!!! stop for a moment and reflect on that. you see the problem here don’t you? can’t wait to see what happens with his next drug test. because if he walks around with high levels of nandrolone because he’s some superathlete like SO MANY of his nuthuggers suppose, then he should test positive again and bj will win and keep the belt regardless of what happens.

if sherk truly was roiding and stops–bj is going to have THAT advantage. oh look what happend to jason giambi and jose canseco after they stopped…..they SUCKED.[/quote]
Yep, if he was Juicing he won’t be the same off the juice.

I can’t wait until the fight.

I found out that Jorge is endorsing a new line of Alpha Male Fragrances, check out this youtube link… pretty cool, lots of hot chicks and Jorge pops up at the end. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkLRB3H-5Ko

Jorge is a class act, doesn’t showboat, just fights, and makes no excuses.