i think the houston alexander vs keith jardine knockout deserve to be atleast on top 5, in my book

6. Quinton Jackson defeats Chuck Liddell

6th Biggest Upset?
Not for me, although on UFC.COM they said it was a big shock for the UFC only fan who didn’t know about PRIDE and believed Chuck was invincible.

[quote comment="253106"]i think the houston alexander vs keith jardine knockout deserve to be atleast on top 5, in my book[/quote]

oh im wrong! i thought the #10 is houston vs keith, but when i read again it is against sakara, s jerdine vs. keith at top 3 is in the right place

Best ever knock-out……

Phil Baroni and Dave Menne

for the top ten fights maybe the clay guida vs roger huerta and liddell vs. silva,randy vs. silvia,shogun vs. griffin will be on it randomly.

6th Biggest Upset?
Not for me, although on UFC.COM they said it was a big shock for the UFC only fan who didn’t know about PRIDE and believed Chuck was invincible.[/quote]

totally correct..that wasn’t an upset, Rampage has chuck’s #.

I don’t think that Houston Alexander defeating keith Jardine is definitely not an upset. i don’t like down talking fighters but Keith jardine wasn’t shining in the spot light enough to create an upset. Houston was new, Keith had only one Major win, forrest. keyword major. Those are not ingredients for and end of the year nomination as an upset.

Randy beating Sylvia is no. 9!?!? The UFC is so obvious when they put their propaganda machine to work. Only six of those are actually upsets.

6. Houston Alexander defeats Keith Jardine
5. Keith Jardine defeats Chuck Liddell
4. Gabriel Gonzaga KO1 Mirko “Cro Cop’
3. Forrest Griffin defeats Mauricio Rua
2. Randy Couture defeats Tim Sylvia
1. Matt Serra defeats Georges St-Pierre

That’s more like it. I don’t think anything could top Serra beating GSP except Serra pulling off another miracle in GSP -Serra II.

1st Place Upset: Michael Bisping crap DC win over Matt Hamill.

1st Place Best Fight of 2007: Roger Huerta vs. Clay Guida.

[quote comment="253115"]6th Biggest Upset?
Not for me, although on UFC.COM they said it was a big shock for the UFC only fan who didn’t know about PRIDE and believed Chuck was invincible.[/quote]

totally correct..that wasn’t an upset, Rampage has chuck’s #.[/quote]

yes infact thats not an upset, but their base that rampage as underdog coming into that fight,because of chuck’s momentum,7 wins after his lost to rampage & all via KO/TKO & everybody thought that chuck will do that to rampage as what chuck’s did on his last previos opponent,& rampage has some struggles in pride after his win over chuck,& some people thought that rampage win over chuck was a fluke, so rampage coming to UFC 71 as underdog. no question..

but as a result he proved that he really has chuck #

biggest upsets
1.serra over pirre. Although i think that Serra can definitely do it again. that wasn’t a one punch knockout.., it was an all out ass whooping that took GSP on a tour of the Octagon

haha, Couture vs. Sylvia at #9. So obvious what the UFC was doing there. Goldberg and Rogan were practically creaming their pants during that fight.

Silva’s KO of Franklin should be higher. That was a beating! it should definitely be higher than Leben/Marin.

Arroyo over Kolosci? Meh, it’s Kolosci.. who cares.

thales leites should be in the top ten submissions as some of his fights this year have shown very technical jiu-jitsu and sick ground skills

[quote comment="253115"]6th Biggest Upset?
Not for me, although on UFC.COM they said it was a big shock for the UFC only fan who didn’t know about PRIDE and believed Chuck was invincible.[/quote]

totally correct..that wasn’t an upset, Rampage has chuck’s #.[/quote]

I agree, though I was pulling for Chuck in that fight, I was not surprised when he lost. I was a little surprised by the manner that he lost.

[quote comment="253129"]biggest upsets
1.serra over pirre. Although i think that Serra can definitely do it again. that wasn’t a one punch knockout.., it was an all out ass whooping that took GSP on a tour of the Octagon[/quote]

i totally agree – it was an upset, but it was on the cards.

[quote comment="253108"][quote comment="253106"]i think the houston alexander vs keith jardine knockout deserve to be atleast on top 5, in my book[/quote]

oh im wrong! i thought the #10 is houston vs keith, but when i read again it is against sakara, s jerdine vs. keith at top 3 is in the right place[/quote]

LOL, how much did you read before posting than?

[quote comment="253107"]6. Quinton Jackson defeats Chuck Liddell

6th Biggest Upset?
Not for me, although on UFC.COM they said it was a big shock for the UFC only fan who didn’t know about PRIDE and believed Chuck was invincible.[/quote]

I was thinking the same exact thing when I was reading it, and said to myself, “I gotta post that Rampage over Liddell should not even be classified as an upset, nevermind Top 10 upsets”. So they have Rampage over Liddell as a bigger uspet than Randy over Timmy. That is actually laughable.

OH WAIT! Actually, its not. This list came directly from the UFC website. I am actually shocked that Randy Couture over Tim Sylvia even made the list. Randy and his name has been blackballed by the UFC. They couldn’t leave this fight off of the list of upsets, so they put it at #9.

The sky is blue.

[quote comment="253139"]The sky is blue.[/quote]

Just wondering exactly what words I type trigger a moderation??? I did not curse… For the past month or so, it appears that every one of my comments are getting moderated.

MMAMania, just wondering why keith Jardine seems to be overlooked here, he ktf out of Forrest and beat chuck shouldn’t he get a shot for the title? what do you think the rankings in the ufc’s lhw division are????

doesn’t seem fare to have forrest geta title shot against rrampage when last time they fought jardine killed Griffin

Dana’s talks about the future…

http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=5380&zoneid=13

[quote comment="253140"][quote comment="253139"]The sky is blue.[/quote]

Just wondering exactly what words I type trigger a moderation??? I did not curse… For the past month or so, it appears that every one of my comments are getting moderated.[/quote]

It prob. means our filters are picking something up. I’ve said this a thousand times, sometimes even statements like “class act” will get flagged because the word “ass” is in there. Is ass a horrible word? Not really. But it all depends on how it’s used. We spend way too much time moderating comments. It’s the bane of my existence — and many times we don’t catch everything. But it’s a necessary evil. Bear with us. We moderate as fast as possible.

[quote comment="253143"]MMAMania, just wondering why keith Jardine seems to be overlooked here, he ktf out of Forrest and beat chuck shouldn’t he get a shot for the title? what do you think the rankings in the ufc’s lhw division are????

doesn’t seem fare to have forrest geta title shot against rrampage when last time they fought jardine killed Griffin[/quote]

Its very simple, Jardine will not sell PPV’s. He has the personality of a fish.

I agree he should be ahead of Forrest but Forrest is an interesting guy with an exiting fighting style.

I really like Forrest but one big win does not warrant a title shot.

UFC is a business and looks for money rather than rewarding those who have earnt shots (Karo springs to mind).

nick j ,
that is sad and makes little to no sense…lets say the patriots in the nfl are undefeated but their team has no personality due to coaching creating tight lips in the media or else money goes down…sports is not about popularity it should always be about the best or who has a better record.
The ufc is loosing credibility by screwing over this type of situation.

rampage over liddell was hardly an upset….jardine over liddell..now thats an upset.

[quote comment="253166"]nick j ,
that is sad and makes little to no sense…lets say the patriots in the nfl are undefeated but their team has no personality due to coaching creating tight lips in the media or else money goes down…sports is not about popularity it should always be about the best or who has a better record.
The ufc is loosing credibility by screwing over this type of situation.[/quote]

Thats why I like the idea of tournaments. They should bring them back not to see who is the Champ, but just to see who is the top contender(after which the tournament winner gets a title shot). This is not unlike what happened with the TUF 4 show, basically it was a tournament where the winner(s) got a title shot in their respective divisions. The only problem to this scheme is if the same fighter wins the tournament once, looses to the champ, then wins the tournament again. I guess that is one way of working back up the ladder and earning another shot, but I like variety.

I doubt it will happen because I’m sure there are many other problems with this, but Im sure it would help to make only the best in the division gets the title shot.

[quote comment="253149"][quote comment="253140"][quote comment="253139"]The sky is blue.[/quote]

Just wondering exactly what words I type trigger a moderation??? I did not curse… For the past month or so, it appears that every one of my comments are getting moderated.[/quote]

It prob. means our filters are picking something up. I’ve said this a thousand times, sometimes even statements like “class act” will get flagged because the word “ass” is in there. Is ass a horrible word? Not really. But it all depends on how it’s used. We spend way too much time moderating comments. It’s the bane of my existence — and many times we don’t catch everything. But it’s a necessary evil. Bear with us. We moderate as fast as possible.[/quote]

Thanks for typing back Mania. I did’t want to seem like a pest, but often times my comments would just be scrolled over because they were actually posted long after I entered it. But you are correct, the comments have been getting moderated rather quickly. Everybody’s buisy around the holidays, even the moderators!

I think the rampage vs Lidell upset is more about the way it ended, it wasn’t a war, rampage just capitalize very well in Lidell’s mistake, not to take anything away from rampage he won and deserves it. We were expecting a long fight and a complete beat by one of them.

I think that the Anderson Silva Vs rich franklin KO deserves to be in the top 5 at least. He destroy Rich with a super combo, I watch that fight over and over again and really enjoy a such a class fighter like Silva.

Completely agree that Rampage over Chuck is no upset. I also don’t think Randy over Big Poopy is an upset, nor is Okami over an undersized Mike Swick. No complaints about the rest of the lists though.

Lets talk 2008…

Top 10 Potential Dream fights.
10 SOKO vs Liddel
9 Karo Parisyan vs GSP
8 Bisping vs Franklin
7 Clay Guida vs Joe Stevenson
6 Fitch vs GSP
5 BJ Penn vs Huerta
4 Serra vs Hughs
3 Wandy Silva vs Houston Alexander
2 Henderson vs Anderson Silva
1 Rampage vs Forrest

[quote comment="253167"]rampage over liddell was hardly an upset….jardine over liddell..now thats an upset.[/quote]
Only to a Liddell nuthugger. Was it a big fight? Yes. Was it an upset if either won? No.

Best KO of 2007 was Chris Leben KOing Terry Martin. That just seems unbelievable everytime I watch it. Dude was out on his feet throwing blind bombs.

Does Nick Diaz’s Gogoplata count over Gomi?

[quote comment="253209"]Does Nick Diaz’s Gogoplata count over Gomi?[/quote]
Nvm this is UFC only.

Oh ones that didnt make it. Because it could happen in 2009.
Brock Lesnar vs Cro-cop
Bj Penn vs Sherk
Forrest vs Jardine (After Forrest wins belt)
Wandy vs Rampage
Karo vs Fitch (After both lose to GSP)
Cotoure vs Fedor (M1)
Swick vs Josh Burkman
Diego Sanchez vs Joe Stevenson

[quote comment="253166"]nick j ,
that is sad and makes little to no sense…lets say the patriots in the nfl are undefeated but their team has no personality due to coaching creating tight lips in the media or else money goes down…sports is not about popularity it should always be about the best or who has a better record.
The ufc is loosing credibility by screwing over this type of situation.[/quote]

Look i think you mis-read, i wasn’t agreeing with the policy but thats just the way the UFC works. They want the hype that leads to huge PPV buys.

Why do you think Tito gets paid £250k a fight despite being outside the top 10 in the light heavies… he sells the fight, even against has-beens and boring wrestlers.

Another example of this is the TUF4 comp, giving the winner a title shot… WTF. What they wanted was the fans to watch the show and buy the PPV no matter if there were more worthy challengers.

Once more its not right but learn to live with it.

I wouldnt classify Koschecks win over diego an upset either

and Randy over tim #9 i dont think so
Everyone was hoping that couture would beat tim but not many people thought he could do it with the size difference and randys track record with big heavywieghts and the fact he was coming off a knock out loss, and a year in retirement which means randy over tim should have been top 5 upsets. But everyone is right they dont even want to mention his name if they dont have to

[quote comment="253107"]6. Quinton Jackson defeats Chuck Liddell

6th Biggest Upset?
Not for me, although on UFC.COM they said it was a big shock for the UFC only fan who didn’t know about PRIDE and believed Chuck was invincible.[/quote]

How can Rampage over Liddell even be on that list? How was that even an upset? 3 years prior to that fight Rampage literally DESTROYED chuck to the point where his corner had to throw in the towel. Maybe that was an upset but not last May’s fight. I thought Rampage came into that fight as the favorite and I wasnt even close to being shocked that Rampage KO’ed him.

Also, I have a problem with the submissions of the year. How can Forrest get submission of the year by sinking in a pretty basic rear naked choke on a severely gassed shogun.

The submission of the year was GSP over Hughes. GSP fought the greatest WW of all time who also happens to be a master wrestler, a Brazilian Ju jitsu black belt, and an overall Ground whizard. I dont even think that GSP has reached black belt level in Brazilian Ju jitsu yet but he caught Hughes with one of the greatest submission transitions of ALL Time: an upside down Triangle choke, into an Kimura transitioned into an Armbar….that was beautiful grappling…Talk about painting a master piece.

[quote comment="253117"]Randy beating Sylvia is no. 9!?!? The UFC is so obvious when they put their propaganda machine to work. Only six of those are actually upsets.

6. Houston Alexander defeats Keith Jardine
5. Keith Jardine defeats Chuck Liddell
4. Gabriel Gonzaga KO1 Mirko “Cro Cop’
3. Forrest Griffin defeats Mauricio Rua
2. Randy Couture defeats Tim Sylvia
1. Matt Serra defeats Georges St-Pierre

That’s more like it. I don’t think anything could top Serra beating GSP except Serra pulling off another miracle in GSP -Serra II.[/quote]

Hahaha… I think the miracle comment is funny, because that’s exactly what it would be. Serra’s only got 2 chances…1. St. Pierre doesn’t make weight. 2. One of St. Pierre’s arms or legs mysteriously falls off.

It’s kind of funny and sad that Serra’s biggest accomplishment in life is known as the biggest fluke/upset of all time in his sport. I can’t wait for April to come. I hope that Serra is in perfect shape and is able to fight.

Why is Okami’s win over Swick on the upset list? It wasn’t an upset at all. Okami is a top middleweight, although he isn’t the most exciting fighter out there. He also isn’t the smartest middleweight out there either when you consider the win he basically handed to Rich Franklin.

Swick was outclassed in that fight plain and simple.

They should come up with the “Top Ten Dumbest Moves” list and put Swick’s decision to drop to welterweight at #1. Maybe #2 if you factor in Melvin Guillard’s running of the mouth and never ending self embarassment. Regardless of the loss to Okami, I’ve always liked Swick, but his decision to tuck tail and run to a lower weight class that is stacked compared the one he left is a stupid one. It didn’t work for Ryo Chonan or Jason Miller and it won’t work for him.

I can’t imagine the cut he will have to make to hit 170. He should have stayed at middleweight. The division needs more guys like him!

i don’t really think that forrest submitting shogun should be #1. yea it was a huge win, but i dont really see anything impressive about the submission. i think GSP’s armbar over hughes was much more impressive

I agree with jack the forrest submission was important but he alredy have won that fight…

The best submission for me of the year is the anaconda choke from Babalu…

Warmachine vs. Jared Rollins is the best fight of 2007, yes a little sloppy but still the absolute best fight of 2007…

I know that there was not much MMA displayed in these fights, but the Leban / Martin and the Quarry / Sell fights were unreal. Both Leban and Quarry were true warriors who never gave up. I also did enjoy Jardines well thought out tactics displayed in beating Chuck, those leg kicks were awesome. He may not have much personality but the guy definately has skills.

tyson griffin and guida will definatley be on top ten best fights

[quote comment="253302"]Warmachine vs. Jared Rollins is the best fight of 2007, yes a little sloppy but still the absolute best fight of 2007…[/quote]

I agree.

[quote comment="253273"]Why is Okami’s win over Swick on the upset list? It wasn’t an upset at all. Okami is a top middleweight, although he isn’t the most exciting fighter out there. He also isn’t the smartest middleweight out there either when you consider the win he basically handed to Rich Franklin.

Swick was outclassed in that fight plain and simple.

They should come up with the “Top Ten Dumbest Moves” list and put Swick’s decision to drop to welterweight at #1. Maybe #2 if you factor in Melvin Guillard’s running of the mouth and never ending self embarassment. Regardless of the loss to Okami, I’ve always liked Swick, but his decision to tuck tail and run to a lower weight class that is stacked compared the one he left is a stupid one. It didn’t work for Ryo Chonan or Jason Miller and it won’t work for him.

I can’t imagine the cut he will have to make to hit 170. He should have stayed at middleweight. The division needs more guys like him![/quote]

I couldnt agree with you more, I cant stand when a fighter drops wieght after losing unless its an extreme case like Kenny florian fighting at 185 on tuf 1 which is no were near his original wieght.

Thats why you cant help but love and respect a fighter like Dan Henderson a true warrior who has consistantly faught guys natuarlly bigger than him and wants to keep doing it. The UFC practically had to force him to drop to MW and he wont stay there for long after he captures the MW belt he will want to challege for the LHW belt to be the first ever to hold both in the ufc but it wont be the first time hes done it we all know he held two belts at the same time in Pride.

My Man Forrest with Submission of the year.
I also think Forrest-vs-Mauricio was my favorite fight of the year.
Forrest is winning that title kids.

i don’t think koscheck over sanchez was an upset at all. cool list though, can’t wait to see top 10 fights.

just curious…was that Scott Smith k.o. of Pete Sell in ‘07?
may have been ‘06… My fav. of all time.

These are the best fights of 2007 that I can think of…. who knows what gerbasi comes up with…

Top fights of 2007:

1: Liddel vs. Silva
2: Rollins vs. Kopenhaver
3: Guida vs. Huerta
4: Alexander vs. Jardine
5: Forest vs Rua
6: Couture vs. Sylvia
7: Leban vs. Martin
8: Huerta vs. the guy that wouldn’t stop smiling even when getting punched in the face….
9: Guida vs. Griffin
10: Stout vs. Fischer

Anyone know that guy’s name?

[quote comment="253457"]My Man Forrest with Submission of the year.
I also think Forrest-vs-Mauricio was my favorite fight of the year.
Forrest is winning that title kids.[/quote]

I think that that fight may have been a little too one sided to be fight of the year. I actually like Guida/Huerta as fight of the year. That fight showed off every aspect of MMA and the fighter that lost the first two round, finished the fight in the third. That was a classic.

Rampage over chuck was a bigger upset than Jardine over Chuck? Or Randy coming out of retirement to capture the title again? Rampage vs Chuck doesn’t belong anywhere near the list, as it wasn’t even an upset for educated fans

[quote comment="253129"]biggest upsets
1.serra over pirre. Although i think that Serra can definitely do it again. that wasn’t a one punch knockout.., it was an all out ass whooping that took GSP on a tour of the Octagon[/quote]
lmfao.i think and hope it happens again.it was’nt an upset to me the first time it was exspected and will be again.

So many great fights!

[quote comment="253107"]6. Quinton Jackson defeats Chuck Liddell

6th Biggest Upset?
Not for me, although on UFC.COM they said it was a big shock for the UFC only fan who didn’t know about PRIDE and believed Chuck was invincible.[/quote]

Agreed! And Chuck losing to Jardine is at least top 3…..#2 in my opinion.

[quote comment="253300"]I agree with jack the forrest submission was important but he alredy have won that fight…

The best submission for me of the year is the anaconda choke from Babalu…[/quote]

I think Babalu’s one was one of the better ones too.
But it wasn’t there for obvious (yet unfair) reasons.

[quote comment="253691"][quote comment="253129"]biggest upsets
1.serra over pirre. Although i think that Serra can definitely do it again. that wasn’t a one punch knockout.., it was an all out ass whooping that took GSP on a tour of the Octagon[/quote]
lmfao.i think and hope it happens again.it was’nt an upset to me the first time it was exspected and will be again.[/quote]
Who has serra beat for you to think tko’ing gsp was the expected result, his split win over chris lytle? jesus.