MMAmania.com (www.mmamania.com) has received the fighter payouts for “UFC 79: Nemesis” from the Nevada State Athletic Commission (NSAC) for the pay-per-view (PPV) event held on December 29 at the Mandalay Bay Events Center in Las Vegas.
Former light heavyweight champion Chuck Liddell was the top earner of the evening, taking home a reported $500,000 for his sensational unanimous decision win over Wanderlei Silva.
“The Iceman” also received a little bonus action for the memorable performance, as well as “The Axe Murderer.”
Here are all the UFC 79 payouts:
Georges St. Pierre — $160,000 ($80,000 to show, $80,000 to win)
Matt Hughes — $100,000
St. Pierre defeated Hughes via submission (armbar) in round two
Chuck Liddell — $500,000
Wanderlei Silva — $150,000
Liddell defeated Silva via unanimous decision
Eddie Sanchez — $46,000 ($23,000 to show, $23,000 to win)
Soa Palalei — $5,000
Sanchez defeated Palalei via technical knockout (strikes) in round three
Lyoto Machida — $60,000 ($30,000 to show, $30,000 to win)
Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou — $40,000
Machida defeated Sokoudjou via submission (arm triangle choke) in round two
Rich Clementi — $28,000 ($14,000 to show, $14,000 to win)
Melvin Guillard — $10,000
Clementi defeated Guillard via submission (rear naked choke) in round one
James Irvin — $16,000 ($8,000 to show, $8,000 to win)
Luis Cane — $5,000
Irvin defeated Cane via disqualification (illegal knee)
Manny Gamburyan — $20,000 ($10,000 to show, $10,000 to win)
Nate Mohr — $6,000
Gamburyan defeated Mohr via submission (heal hook) in round one
Dean Lister — $22,000 ($11,000 to show, $11,000 to win)
Jordan Radev — $5,000
Lister defeated Radev via unanimous decision
Roan Carneiro — $10,000 ($5,000 to show, $5,000 to win)
Tony DeSouza — $7,000
Carneiro defeated DeSouza via technical knockout (strikes) in round two
Mark Bocek — $6,000 ($3,000 to show, $3,000 to win)
Doug Evans — $3,000
Bocek defeated Evans via unanimous decision
Keep in mind the salaries listed above do not include fight bonuses, sponsorships, percentages and other unofficial payments.
For example, “Fight of the Night” honors went to Liddell and Silva, who each took home $50,000 extra in scratch. St. Pierre nabbed “Submission of the Night” with his second round armbar and Sanchez got the “Knockout of the Night” for his stoppage of Palelei.
St. Pierre and Sanchez received $50,000 each just like Liddell and Silva.
The total base fighter payroll for UFC 79 was $1,199,000. UFC 79 drew 11,075 fans for a $4.9 million gate, according to remarks attributed to UFC President Dana White during the post-event press conference.
If that’s the case then it would go down as the most successful live gate for any mixed martial arts (MMA) show in 2007 throughout the entire United States.
For complete results and coverage of the UFC 79 year-end special event click here and here.
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Pay me 100,000 I’ll get my ass kicked and make it look good !!!!
I’ll pay twice that much if I never have to see Eddie Sanchez fight again… How did he make the main card of Lister, DeSouza or Irvin?!?
half a mil.go chuck
man i’m in the wrong business
Eddie Sanchez — $46,000 ($23,000 to show, $23,000 to win)
Soa Palalei — $5,000
That’s not right at all.
I think Chuck got himself the best contract in the UFC. Makes 500K whether he wins or loses.
I think it’s about time GSP got himself a pay raise. The best fighter in the game should get the best salary.
Look at these numbers….and Mayweather wants to come to the MMA. If Mayweather got Liddell’s salary, he would take a $24,500,000.00 pay cut per fight. Tough call if it is about money.
I just refreshed my memory. Anderson Silva only got $120,000 for
defending his belt for the third time. GSp gets 160000. The best in the game.
Tim Sylvia gets $200,000 for his snooze fest over Brandon Vera.I still can’t believe they gave Tim a title shot after just one fight after loosing it. And they say Arlovski got blocked for the same reason. Boooooo!!!1
[quote post=”4360″]Eddie Sanchez — $46,000 ($23,000 to show, $23,000 to win)
Soa Palalei — $5,000
That’s not right at all. [/quote]
Eddie went home with $96,000 with his KO of the night bonus. He made almost as much as Hughes.WTF
Man, people really do hate Eddie, don’t they.
Fedor’s pay would make Chuck’s pay look like peanuts!
Chuck Liddell : $550,000 ($500,000 for showing, $50,000 for Fight of the night)
Georges St. Pierre : $210,000 ($80,000 for showing, $80,000 for winning, $50,000 for Submission of the night)
Wanderlei Silva : $200,000 ($150,000 for showing, $50,000 for Fight of the night)
Matt Hughes : $100,000
Eddie Sanchez : $96,000 ($23,000 for showing, $23,000 for winning, $50,000 for KO of the night)
Lyoto Machida : $60,000 ($30,000 for showing, $30,000 for winning)
Rameau Sokoudjou : $40,0O0
Rich Clementi : $28,000 (14k 14k)
Dean Lister : $22,000 (11k 11k)
Manny Gamburyan : $20,000 (10k 10k)
James Irvin : $16,000 (8k 8k)
Melvin Guillard : $10,000
Roan Carneiro : $10,000 (5k 5k)
Tony DeSouza : $7,000
Mark Bocek : $6,000 (3k 3k)
Nate Mohr : $6,000
Soa Palelei : $5,000
Luis Cane : $5,000
Jordan Radev : $5,000
Doug Evans : $3,000
Before there are a load of posts about how certain fighters earnings are ‘not right’, can you remember they signed the contract, so that indicates they are happy.
I agree that some fighters appear to be under/over paid, but those are the contracts they currently have. If they do well and give us exciting fights they should, and likely will be rewarded, if not, its likely they wont. The UFC know what they are doing.
This is a good example of the lengths UFC and Dana go for their fighters. Like Chuck. So with this is mind, it would not surprise me to see fights being fixed in the future if not now.
These fighters are an investment really. Chuck is a 500,000 dollar investment. You do what you have to, to see that investment pay off. And that includes doing some shiesty maneuvers, then I’m sure they will. I mean, whether you like Dana or not, he’ not Mother Theresa.
Soa Palelei should have his $$$ taken back.
He is the worst MMA fighter I have EVER seen enter the cage (yes, I’ve seen his Pride fights, which is EXACTLY why I was pissed at the way he fought, er…didn’t fight)
[quote comment=”251412″]Before there are a load of posts about how certain fighters earnings are ‘not right’, can you remember they signed the contract, so that indicates they are happy.
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Thats not necessarily true, just because you sign something a contract doesn’t mean your happy with the terms.
It’s kind of like saying that every band is happy with the deal the record label gave them, simply because they signed the contract. Contracts are non-negotiable, and many bands just like these fighters want to be in that label or fight organization so badly that they sign the deal in front of them. Willing to take the bad, just to be affiliated with the org. they feel is the best. Label owners and business know that people are willing to sign horrid contracts just to be a part of what they have, so they use this to their advantage and write up contracts that favor the label/promoter over the artist.
This is crazy contracts should have clauses built in them that state if a fighters popularity increases or they capture a belt then there salaries can be re-negotiated.
GSP should be on equal pay as Chuck if salary is based on popularity. But if it is based on accomplishment then Chuck has a rightful place where he is, but GSP should still not be making less that what Chuck makes.
Even if Chuck lost he would still be well ahead of GSP even without him getting “fight of the night” and thats with GSP still getting “sub of the night”.
Thats Crazy!!!
Well, if you’re knocking out the Who’s Who in the sport than I think you deserve a lil bit more than the other fighters. Tell me one fighter that has done what The Iceman has done over the past lets say 6 years?Umm..nobody! When ever the The Iceman is being put in a fight card that event makes millions. And the rest of the card doesn’t even have to be with big names. Basically all you need is Him and of course the guy that his gon’ knock out..
Did anyone else notice the Dig or emphasis at Randy in the Opening Music credits to UFC 79? They showed a clip of him hurt after getting KO by Chuck.
Agreeing to a contract doesn’t mean you’re happy with it; it means that that was the best you could do in negotiations. It means the fighter accepts it. Individual fighters who aren’t in the top rankings have little bargaining power, so it’s unsurprising that they have crappy contracts. I’ll skip the unionization conversation.
I will submit, however, that the pay of the lower tier fighters worries me from a league development standpoint. If I were developing a sports league, I wouldn’t have the base pay for my athletes be less than it costs them to live and train for the fight and get healthy again afterwards. How can you attract and adequately nurture talent if up-and-coming guys are still having side jobs and splitting their focus? Nobody, but nobody, who makes it onto the pay-per-view should in any universe be making less than $20k for that fight. I’m not even sure undercard guys should make less than $20k base pay per fight.
If we look at this particular card that would mean an increase in cost of $119k if you bumped everyone up to at least 20k base for the night and kept bonuses at the same dollar value. Let’s say you’re generous and you want to keep quasi-scale similar to that which we’re seeing now - You’re still not going to be investing more than $250k more per card (and again that’s paying the undercard guys $20k. I might go as low as $10k base for them) in order to develop the sport. PPV numbers are down. You need to increase the quality of the UC fights and you can’t do that without ponying up an extra half a liddell salary per fight. Dana knows and I know that $250k is chump change. Suck it up. And now I’m going to get nasty and compare UFC salaries to MLS salaries.
If you look at soccer, the new players in Major League Soccer, a crummy league I’m hoping will get better, make $12,900 base for the season. That at least allows them to train and live for the soccer season, and hopefully they can catch some bonuses for starts and wins. People who actually play get at least $30k. Have any of you been to a MLS game? If you have been, you know that except in a few select cities nobody cares about MLS. People into soccer still follow the overseas leagues. That’s why most teams lost money in 2007.
I wouldn’t wonder if the UFC actually IS profitable (snark intended) and so what I would like to know is why is any guy making less than an entry level major league soccer player?
[quote comment=”251443″]Soa Palelei should have his $$$ taken back.
He is the worst MMA fighter I have EVER seen enter the cage (yes, I’ve seen his Pride fights, which is EXACTLY why I was pissed at the way he fought, er…didn’t fight)[/quote]
Seriously, was I the only one who thought he looked high as a kite? Anyway- this is one of the best paydays I’ve seen for the most part. The lower tiered guys always get screwed however. I don’t know how the hell they can afford to stay in this fight game?
[quote post=”4360″]He backed off and allowed Chuck to get up. Why? Because he wanted to KNOCK CHUCK OUT, STANDING! If he simply wanted to win, he would have jumped all over Chuck when Chuck was down and hurt and went for the kill. But he didn’t. He wanted to entertain the fans with a war, and end it in a knockout. And how does Chuck repay him for his kindness? By lay “n’ praying on top of Wanderlei for the last 30 seconds of the fight dry humping him trying to eek out a decision[/quote]
I agree ViolentMike. I know many others and I gained a lot of respect for Wandi after this fight. He is a true warrior. I’m a bigger fan of him than ever. I to, hope he comes back harder than ever adn works his way up the latter.
[quote comment=”251443″]Soa Palelei should have his $$$ taken back.
He is the worst MMA fighter I have EVER seen enter the cage (yes, I’ve seen his Pride fights, which is EXACTLY why I was pissed at the way he fought, er…didn’t fight)[/quote]
I bet Chuck Liddles pay u wouldnt say that to his face
It makes me sad that undercard boxers make more than most of these guys
hey peole , for those who questions about their salaries,
you must have commonsense that they’re under on heir current contract that they signed before.
& for who those fighter who deserve to increase their salary or decrease their salary, will be rewarded for the next time they signed a contract, so sh*ut up! & stop making stupid comments about salary,use you head
Guys, these are friggin contracts - GSP will definitely get Chuck-money on his next contract. That’s how it works - get it through your thick skulls. jesus. It’s obvious that all the new contracts are are getting more money - look at Sokoudjou for his first UFC fight, Wandi’s new contract and Vera’s new contract as proof.
[quote comment=”251562″][quote post=”4360″]He backed off and allowed Chuck to get up. Why? Because he wanted to KNOCK CHUCK OUT, STANDING! If he simply wanted to win, he would have jumped all over Chuck when Chuck was down and hurt and went for the kill. But he didn’t. He wanted to entertain the fans with a war, and end it in a knockout. And how does Chuck repay him for his kindness? By lay “n’ praying on top of Wanderlei for the last 30 seconds of the fight dry humping him trying to eek out a decision[/quote]
I agree ViolentMike. I know many others and I gained a lot of respect for Wandi after this fight. He is a true warrior. I’m a bigger fan of him than ever. I to, hope he comes back harder than ever adn works his way up the latter.[/quote]
From my view, Wandy was hurt too in that exchange. Chuck landed a hard left that rocked Wandy right as Chuck went down. That is why Liddell was allowed to recover (Wandy was dazed). I don’t think Wandy intentionally let that happen.
alright im not gonna go crazy like usual, but the payouts still suck. i really feel for nate mohr. first he got his leg torn off, then he only got paid $6,000. ouch. hope he can stretch that dollar cause he wont be waling for a while. i agree with missouri, there should be a fight minimum like $15-20k.
Payouts are all based on a fighters lawyer/contract negotiator and his fan base. No use bitching about who got more unless you plan to overthrow capitalism.
Dana has shafted us yet again with having to wait 11 months to watch the LHW belt be defended again because he has to plug his tv show and build the drama. call me crazy or cynical or whatever you want but a champ should have to defend his belt more than once a year. The Ultimate Fighter should not be the vehicle to promote title fights or big fights. Screw you Dana.
[quote comment=”251435″]This is a good example of the lengths UFC and Dana go for their fighters. Like Chuck. So with this is mind, it would not surprise me to see fights being fixed in the future if not now.
These fighters are an investment really. Chuck is a 500,000 dollar investment. You do what you have to, to see that investment pay off. And that includes doing some shiesty maneuvers, then I’m sure they will. I mean, whether you like Dana or not, he’ not Mother Theresa.[/quote]
That’s quite a conspiracy theory, but your basis is so outlandish and diluted it’s pure water! This sport is in it’s infancy and do you actually believe that Dana White would jeopardize the reputation of the most successful MMA organization in the world for one or two of its fighters? He’d defenestrate everybody in the UFC and kill everything the Fertita’s built? That is one hell of a reach.
As far as paying your most marketable fighters a bigger lump sum, that’s the way it’s done in all sports. Why do you think Peyton Manning, Kobe Bryant, Alex Rodriguez and David Beckham are so well compensated by their respective teams? Why do you think Manning is in every commercial on television? These are not only the best on the team but they are also the most marketable players in the league. Chuck Liddell may not be the Champ anymore, but while he held the strap he was the most dominant and recognizable Light-Heavyweight in the world, he is in fact the most recognizable MMA fighter in the world, he’s the most marketable! That is why he is so well compensated, that’s the nature of the beast, welcome to the real world!
Fixing fights is something that happens…in boxing.
[quote comment=”251846″][quote comment=”251435″]This is a good example of the lengths UFC and Dana go for their fighters. Like Chuck. So with this is mind, it would not surprise me to see fights being fixed in the future if not now.
These fighters are an investment really. Chuck is a 500,000 dollar investment. You do what you have to, to see that investment pay off. And that includes doing some shiesty maneuvers, then I’m sure they will. I mean, whether you like Dana or not, he’ not Mother Theresa.[/quote]
That’s quite a conspiracy theory, but your basis is so outlandish and diluted it’s pure water! This sport is in it’s infancy and do you actually believe that Dana White would jeopardize the reputation of the most successful MMA organization in the world for one or two of its fighters? He’d defenestrate everybody in the UFC and kill everything the Fertita’s built? That is one hell of a reach.
As far as paying your most marketable fighters a bigger lump sum, that’s the way it’s done in all sports. Why do you think Peyton Manning, Kobe Bryant, Alex Rodriguez and David Beckham are so well compensated by their respective teams? Why do you think Manning is in every commercial on television? These are not only the best on the team but they are also the most marketable players in the league. Chuck Liddell may not be the Champ anymore, but while he held the strap he was the most dominant and recognizable Light-Heavyweight in the world, he is in fact the most recognizable MMA fighter in the world, he’s the most marketable! That is why he is so well compensated, that’s the nature of the beast, welcome to the real world!
Fixing fights is something that happens…in boxing.[/quote]
Am I wearing a tin foil helmet? No. Its an idea I talked about, and its not that outlandish. I imagine at one point people thought fixing boxing matches was a conspiracy theory.
Saying that its impossible is a fallacious statement. You nor I have proof it is or isn’t happening. Money is involved in this sport yes? Money corrupts people, it’s life. Now I agree that fixing fights is most likely not happening right now, but I wouldn’t rule it out. Completely dismissing something no matter how “outlandish” it may sound is living life with blinders on. Unless you have some inside information, and you know Dana White and his peeps are altruistic, do-gooders with no greed or faults to them. Then hell lets get Dana running for President eh?
[quote comment=”251351″]I just refreshed my memory. Anderson Silva only got $120,000 for
defending his belt for the third time. GSp gets 160000. The best in the game.
Tim Sylvia gets $200,000 for his snooze fest over Brandon Vera.I still can’t believe they gave Tim a title shot after just one fight after loosing it. And they say Arlovski got blocked for the same reason. Boooooo!!!1[/quote]
I guess Anderson Silva would get motre if he learned how to speak more English!…haha!
Keith jardine beat forrest Griffin and chuck Liddell
he should be next in line for a fight with Rampage instead Rampage is going to fight Griffin?!?!?!!!!?!
If that’s true it does not make any sense and shows a deliberate plee on Dana’s behalf to get in the fighters he likes.
[quote comment=”251562″][quote post=”4360″]He backed off and allowed Chuck to get up. Why? Because he wanted to KNOCK CHUCK OUT, STANDING! If he simply wanted to win, he would have jumped all over Chuck when Chuck was down and hurt and went for the kill. But he didn’t. He wanted to entertain the fans with a war, and end it in a knockout. And how does Chuck repay him for his kindness? By lay “n’ praying on top of Wanderlei for the last 30 seconds of the fight dry humping him trying to eek out a decision[/quote]
I agree ViolentMike. I know many others and I gained a lot of respect for Wandi after this fight. He is a true warrior. I’m a bigger fan of him than ever. I to, hope he comes back harder than ever adn works his way up the latter.[/quote]
I’m with you guys on this one too. Wandy is the true warrior. The only thing that one this fight was ‘reach advantage’. Chuck just stayed outside and was scared to get caught in an inside scrap.
The take downs were a joke too, they looked like an old drunk man accidentally falling on someone on the street and was unable to get himself back on his feet.
I think Chuck needs opponents that will tackle his weakest side i.e. on the ground. I’m not saying he is not good on the ground but it is his weakest strength. I know he’s beat Randy, one of the best ground guys ever, but I’m talking up and coming guys. He needs tested on the side constantly. I think the UFC mostly give him fights that match his style i.e. toe to toe. Look at Bisping, his weakness is wrestling, he got to of the best wrestlers to contend with.
I’m just not a fan of Chuck anymore. Hope Wandy progresses and makes a really good living, on par with Chuck, in the UFC.
[quote comment=”251321″]Look at these numbers….and Mayweather wants to come to the MMA. If Mayweather got Liddell’s salary, he would take a $24,500,000.00 pay cut per fight. Tough call if it is about money.[/quote]
Tough call indeed.
Mayweather ain’t comming to MMA anytime soon.
baby face and nasty elbows dont match so well.
but for a 500 000 we could espect Moneyweather to take a leek in the octagon.
GSP $80000. to show up. what a shame.
but watch out if he beat serra. (riots in Montreal!)
he’s gonna make some insane dollars.
sorry quite a few typos: -
“The only thing that one this fight….” = The only thing that won this fight…
“He needs tested on the side constantly” = He needs tested on this side constantly
“….his weakness is wrestling, he got to of the best wrestlers to contend with” = his weakness is wrestling, he got two of the best wrestlers to contend with
I’d just like to add that Thiago Silva would be a good match for Chuck, one that would really test Chuck.
I would also agree that a minimum of around $15000.00 should be paid to any fighter for any fight. If someone gets their arm broken or back put out, they will still have to live and pay bills. Paying someone a paltry $3000.00 could chase away any potential future champions.
The IceMan vs. AxeMurderer was an incredible fight. I disagree with three of the bloggers, IceMan did try to knock out AxeMurderer. But AxeMurderer took everything the IceMan threw. To fault the IceMan for then taking him down is just sour grapes. To fault the IceMan for having a longer reach is ridiculous. This fight should just be enjoyed, and to criticize it just because it didn’t go the way you wanted is immature. I agree with the blogger that pointed out that Sanchez getting 96K to beat the crap out of Soa, who got 5K, is just baffling considering Hughes (since he lost) only got 4K more than Sanchez. I thought the Sanchez fight was the worst of the night, yet he got paid more than Machida, Soko, Clementi, etc… And Irvin got an extra 8K for Luis Can DQing.
gsp shouldnt be making the same (almost) for a win as wandy does for a loss!
DAMN, who the hell is eddie sanchez’s agent? He got PAID!!!
Also, I was surprised Soko made so much in a loosing effort. He was going to sign with organizations becaus ethey offered him more money….I am actually surprised that Dana paid him so much, If he would have won he would of had $80,000….not a bad contract for a guy with 4 MMA fights.
I thought wanderlei would have made more then he did. I expected him to get a Base salary of $250,000 for the fight….Dana did right, by giving both wandy/Chuck an extra $50,000.
Eddie sanches cleard almost a $100,000 to hit on a human punching bag`(Soa) who wouldnt even punch back
GSP needs an increase in pay
I still dont understand how anyone can justify paying a professional fighter $3,000 to Fight…..That is a travesty, and there needs to be some kind of minimum wage for fighters. For instance Doug Evans got paid a petty 3,000 for his fight vs. Bocek…..Say Evans fights 4 times a year and wins 2, looses 2…..That would mean he makes $3,000 a peice for each loss, and $6,000 each for the wins. That would leave him with a yearly salary of $18,000……r u kidding me? How in the world is a man supposed to live on that kinda pay? I understand fighters make money other ways with sponsors and what not, but lets be real how much can Evans possibly making from sponsors, when he is only making 3 grand to fight!
Something has to be done about that…. Doug Evans should be complaining, not Randy!!!!!!!
A really close, and reliable freind of mind, ran into Arlovski over the weekend. Arlovski said he is waiting on his contract extension, and that Dana wants him to fight Eddie Sanchez in March……Not exactly the marquee match up I was expecting…..
A Silva and St.Pierre are THE best in the game right now and should get huge pay raises in there next contract agreement. What big Tim gets paid blows my mind…….why???? Nothing personal but what fans does he have? Who wants to see him fight? Gsp is probably THE most popular fighter right now and I bet he brings in the most bacon. I imagine with his next contract agreement we’ll see a huge pay increase and if he has a smart contract negotiator like Hughes did he’ll get a percentage of pay per view profits, thats where the big money is.
[quote comment=”252089″][quote comment=”251562″][quote post=”4360″]He backed off and allowed Chuck to get up. Why? Because he wanted to KNOCK CHUCK OUT, STANDING! If he simply wanted to win, he would have jumped all over Chuck when Chuck was down and hurt and went for the kill. But he didn’t. He wanted to entertain the fans with a war, and end it in a knockout. And how does Chuck repay him for his kindness? By lay “n’ praying on top of Wanderlei for the last 30 seconds of the fight dry humping him trying to eek out a decision[/quote]
I agree ViolentMike. I know many others and I gained a lot of respect for Wandi after this fight. He is a true warrior. I’m a bigger fan of him than ever. I to, hope he comes back harder than ever adn works his way up the latter.[/quote]
I’m with you guys on this one too. Wandy is the true warrior. The only thing that one this fight was ‘reach advantage’. Chuck just stayed outside and was scared to get caught in an inside scrap.
The take downs were a joke too, they looked like an old drunk man accidentally falling on someone on the street and was unable to get himself back on his feet.
I think Chuck needs opponents that will tackle his weakest side i.e. on the ground. I’m not saying he is not good on the ground but it is his weakest strength. I know he’s beat Randy, one of the best ground guys ever, but I’m talking up and coming guys. He needs tested on the side constantly. I think the UFC mostly give him fights that match his style i.e. toe to toe. Look at Bisping, his weakness is wrestling, he got to of the best wrestlers to contend with.
I’m just not a fan of Chuck anymore. Hope Wandy progresses and makes a really good living, on par with Chuck, in the UFC.[/quote]
I disagree with you all. Silva was hurt when he dropped Chuck. Geez, if I was beaten that badly in the face, I would need to take a breath too instead of trying to pounce with little to no energy left leaving myself vulnerable for a counter attack. To think Chuck was a coward for taking Wandy down is ridiculous. Thats how Chuck lost his last fight to Jardine from only utilizing one aspect of the game. He was probably told over and over again by everyone to take Wandy down in the 2nd-3rd round to help secure the needed victory. By the way Chuck is a damn good wrestler. Hardly a weakness at all. The only way you’ll beat him is if you knock him out before he does you.
[quote comment=”252082″][quote comment=”251351″]I just refreshed my memory. Anderson Silva only got $120,000 for
defending his belt for the third time. GSp gets 160000. The best in the game.
Tim Sylvia gets $200,000 for his snooze fest over Brandon Vera.I still can’t believe they gave Tim a title shot after just one fight after loosing it. And they say Arlovski got blocked for the same reason. Boooooo!!!1[/quote]
I guess Anderson Silva would get motre if he learned how to speak more English!…haha!
Keith jardine beat forrest Griffin and chuck Liddell
he should be next in line for a fight with Rampage instead Rampage is going to fight Griffin?!?!?!!!!?!
If that’s true it does not make any sense and shows a deliberate plee on Dana’s behalf to get in the fighters he likes.[/quote]
Keith Jardine also got knocked the-F out by Houston Alexander right before he fought Chuck. That’s why He’s not next in line.
How the shit are they giving Dirt Sanchez KO of the night. Palalei DID NOT GET KNOCKED OUT!? A knock out is when someone gets hit on the jaw or temple and immediatly looses the ability to fight back. That was a technical knock out if I ever saw one. Papalei was still standing, even?! How can someone be knocked out if they are still standing!? Keith Jardine got knocked out by HOuston alexander. Cro Cop got knocked out by Gonzaga. terry Martin got knocked out by James Irvin. Those are knock outs. If there is not a knock out that whole event then , I’m sorry , but nobody gets the bonus.
I think they should give ALL main event fighters a percentage of the pay per view profits, its only fair. And I also think they should pay ALL fighters at least 10,000 to show and 10,000 to win, there risking a lot in the octagon.
[quote comment=”252205″][quote comment=”252089″][quote comment=”251562″][quote post=”4360″]He backed off and allowed Chuck to get up. Why? Because he wanted to KNOCK CHUCK OUT, STANDING! If he simply wanted to win, he would have jumped all over Chuck when Chuck was down and hurt and went for the kill. But he didn’t. He wanted to entertain the fans with a war, and end it in a knockout. And how does Chuck repay him for his kindness? By lay “n’ praying on top of Wanderlei for the last 30 seconds of the fight dry humping him trying to eek out a decision[/quote]
I agree ViolentMike. I know many others and I gained a lot of respect for Wandi after this fight. He is a true warrior. I’m a bigger fan of him than ever. I to, hope he comes back harder than ever adn works his way up the latter.[/quote]
I’m with you guys on this one too. Wandy is the true warrior. The only thing that one this fight was ‘reach advantage’. Chuck just stayed outside and was scared to get caught in an inside scrap.
The take downs were a joke too, they looked like an old drunk man accidentally falling on someone on the street and was unable to get himself back on his feet.
I think Chuck needs opponents that will tackle his weakest side i.e. on the ground. I’m not saying he is not good on the ground but it is his weakest strength. I know he’s beat Randy, one of the best ground guys ever, but I’m talking up and coming guys. He needs tested on the side constantly. I think the UFC mostly give him fights that match his style i.e. toe to toe. Look at Bisping, his weakness is wrestling, he got to of the best wrestlers to contend with.
I’m just not a fan of Chuck anymore. Hope Wandy progresses and makes a really good living, on par with Chuck, in the UFC.[/quote]
I disagree with you all. Silva was hurt when he dropped Chuck. Geez, if I was beaten that badly in the face, I would need to take a breath too instead of trying to pounce with little to no energy left leaving myself vulnerable for a counter attack. To think Chuck was a coward for taking Wandy down is ridiculous. Thats how Chuck lost his last fight to Jardine from only utilizing one aspect of the game. He was probably told over and over again by everyone to take Wandy down in the 2nd-3rd round to help secure the needed victory. By the way Chuck is a damn good wrestler. Hardly a weakness at all. The only way you’ll beat him is if you knock him out before he does you.[/quote]
As I said before, I don’t think Chuck is a bad wrestler, on the contrary. I was simply saying it is his weakest tool in his tool box.
With regards to Chuck’s wrestling, I’ve only seen his outstanding takedown defence. I haven’t seen him submit anybody from his back. The only time I seen Chuck on his back was Chuck vs Rampage 1. GSP on the other hand has a vast tool box with each tool being equal in ability. I personally think Chuck is one dimensional.
Man you guys need to shut the F*&k up..Wand was already beaten. It didn’t need to be taken to the 3rd round to see who’s gonna win the fight.I mean sure there both great knockout artists they’ve demonstrated time and time again against the biggest names in the sport. I guess thats what you get when you put 2 excellent strikers in the ring. You fucken get a decision! And don’t use the “reach advantage” excuse because Wand did whoop Rampage’s ass twice. And Wand knows this obviously I mean his been in the light heavyweight category for all of his career. So, basically you gotta fight whoever they put in front of you. Regardless the height or the reach advantage.
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I was only actually agreeing with the following part of the comment I quoted……
“I agree ViolentMike. I know many others and I gained a lot of respect for Wandi after this fight. He is a true warrior. I’m a bigger fan of him than ever. I to, hope he comes back harder than ever adn works his way up the latter.”
[quote comment=”252205″][quote comment=”252089″][quote comment=”251562″][quote post=”4360″]He backed off and allowed Chuck to get up. Why? Because he wanted to KNOCK CHUCK OUT, STANDING! If he simply wanted to win, he would have jumped all over Chuck when Chuck was down and hurt and went for the kill. But he didn’t. He wanted to entertain the fans with a war, and end it in a knockout. And how does Chuck repay him for his kindness? By lay “n’ praying on top of Wanderlei for the last 30 seconds of the fight dry humping him trying to eek out a decision[/quote]
I agree ViolentMike. I know many others and I gained a lot of respect for Wandi after this fight. He is a true warrior. I’m a bigger fan of him than ever. I to, hope he comes back harder than ever adn works his way up the latter.[/quote]
I’m with you guys on this one too. Wandy is the true warrior. The only thing that one this fight was ‘reach advantage’. Chuck just stayed outside and was scared to get caught in an inside scrap.
The take downs were a joke too, they looked like an old drunk man accidentally falling on someone on the street and was unable to get himself back on his feet.
I think Chuck needs opponents that will tackle his weakest side i.e. on the ground. I’m not saying he is not good on the ground but it is his weakest strength. I know he’s beat Randy, one of the best ground guys ever, but I’m talking up and coming guys. He needs tested on the side constantly. I think the UFC mostly give him fights that match his style i.e. toe to toe. Look at Bisping, his weakness is wrestling, he got to of the best wrestlers to contend with.
I’m just not a fan of Chuck anymore. Hope Wandy progresses and makes a really good living, on par with Chuck, in the UFC.[/quote]
I disagree with you all. Silva was hurt when he dropped Chuck. Geez, if I was beaten that badly in the face, I would need to take a breath too instead of trying to pounce with little to no energy left leaving myself vulnerable for a counter attack. To think Chuck was a coward for taking Wandy down is ridiculous. Thats how Chuck lost his last fight to Jardine from only utilizing one aspect of the game. He was probably told over and over again by everyone to take Wandy down in the 2nd-3rd round to help secure the needed victory. By the way Chuck is a damn good wrestler. Hardly a weakness at all. The only way you’ll beat him is if you knock him out before he does you.[/quote]
Very well said C-War. Wandy was also hurt in the exchange and was already busted for taking so many shots. All of this talk that he is a warrior because he wanted to knock him out on his feet is B.S.! He is a warrior because he took Chucks biggest shots and didn’t get KO’d. And for everyone who rags on Chuck for taking Wandy down, you need to listen to his post fight conference…he was doing that to keep him hesitant and for something else to think about. Everyone should just enjoy that awesome fight between two of the best fighters in the business, and two warriors that BOTH can take and give bombs!!!!!!!
[quote comment=”252178″]A Silva and St.Pierre are THE best in the game right now and should get huge pay raises in there next contract agreement. What big Tim gets paid blows my mind…….why???? Nothing personal but what fans does he have? Who wants to see him fight? Gsp is probably THE most popular fighter right now and I bet he brings in the most bacon. I imagine with his next contract agreement we’ll see a huge pay increase and if he has a smart contract negotiator like Hughes did he’ll get a percentage of pay per view profits, thats where the big money is.[/quote]
GSP is not the most popular by any means. Only with the more than casual fan. CHuck is way more popular. I tivo’d the event(79), and was re watching it when a bunch of my parents friends came over for new years, they wacthed it to, they all knew who chuck was, nobody had heard of GSP, although after the figth they were all calling him a stud.
[quote post=”4360″][quote post=”4360″]I disagree with you all. Silva was hurt when he dropped Chuck. Geez, if I was beaten that badly in the face, I would need to take a breath too instead of trying to pounce with little to no energy left leaving myself vulnerable for a counter attack. To think Chuck was a coward for taking Wandy down is ridiculous. Thats how Chuck lost his last fight to Jardine from only utilizing one aspect of the game. He was probably told over and over again by everyone to take Wandy down in the 2nd-3rd round to help secure the needed victory. By the way Chuck is a damn good wrestler. Hardly a weakness at all. The only way you’ll beat him is if you knock him out before he does you.[/quote]
Very well said C-War. Wandy was also hurt in the exchange and was already busted for taking so many shots. All of this talk that he is a warrior because he wanted to knock him out on his feet is B.S.! He is a warrior because he took Chucks biggest shots and didn’t get KO’d. And for everyone who rags on Chuck for taking Wandy down, you need to listen to his post fight conference…he was doing that to keep him hesitant and for something else to think about. [/quote]
Wandi was getting nailed all the time, but he never got hurt, the guy almost never even covered up, just swang off teh fences, and that second fall was because of the right hand Wandi landed. Watch it, watch it again and tell me Wandi didn’t just happen to land a good right as Chuck fell.
It wasnt as simple as Wandi didnt jump on him, Wandi actually backed up, if he was really dazed, then his decision making would have been all instincts, which I garantee you would have been to jump on his fallin opponent.
To tired? Pleeeeeeeeeese, wandi went 110% that whole fight, saying he was resting waiting for Chuck to get up is rediculous, and you know it.
I’m not saying Chuck didn’t win, i’m saying Wandi is the one responsible for making that the blockbuster it was, Seeing as it was his debut UFC(in a long time) his other fights will only get better, as he gets used to UFC again(rematch?). ANd I still think Wandi has a better shot at runnin up the latter than Chuck does.
[quote comment=”252089″][quote comment=”251562″][quote post=”4360″]He backed off and allowed Chuck to get up. Why? Because he wanted to KNOCK CHUCK OUT, STANDING! If he simply wanted to win, he would have jumped all over Chuck when Chuck was down and hurt and went for the kill. But he didn’t. He wanted to entertain the fans with a war, and end it in a knockout. And how does Chuck repay him for his kindness? By lay “n’ praying on top of Wanderlei for the last 30 seconds of the fight dry humping him trying to eek out a decision[/quote]
I agree ViolentMike. I know many others and I gained a lot of respect for Wandi after this fight. He is a true warrior. I’m a bigger fan of him than ever. I to, hope he comes back harder than ever adn works his way up the latter.[/quote]
I’m with you guys on this one too. Wandy is the true warrior. The only thing that one this fight was ‘reach advantage’. Chuck just stayed outside and was scared to get caught in an inside scrap.
The take downs were a joke too, they looked like an old drunk man accidentally falling on someone on the street and was unable to get himself back on his feet.
I think Chuck needs opponents that will tackle his weakest side i.e. on the ground. I’m not saying he is not good on the ground but it is his weakest strength. I know he’s beat Randy, one of the best ground guys ever, but I’m talking up and coming guys. He needs tested on the side constantly. I think the UFC mostly give him fights that match his style i.e. toe to toe. Look at Bisping, his weakness is wrestling, he got to of the best wrestlers to contend with.
I’m just not a fan of Chuck anymore. Hope Wandy progresses and makes a really good living, on par with Chuck, in the UFC.[/quote]
God I’m sick of heargin about this BS…what is Chcuk supposed to do? Go where is at the least advantage i.e. to an inside scrap with Wandy and allow Wandi to clinch him and then try to get out just to satisfy you? Wandi knew about his reach advantage when he signed the fight dude. Also I believe Rampage knocked Chuck’s ass out and his reach is a few inches shorter than Chucks also. Your just mad that Chuck didnt KO Wandi, well guess what, Wandy didnt KO Chuck! You should be mad at Wanderlei for losing and not Chcuk for winning bro! Dont make lame excuses!
I just thought about this, how many of you people where dogging Chuck talking shit saying he is one dimensional and only relys on his KO power and punching after he lost to Jardine? You all were saying “he been exposed”…..well well now that he and takes Wandy down what…2 damn times for a total of about 30 seconds out of a 15 minute fight and now all I freakin hear is “Chuck is a pussy he laid and prayed on Wandi”…..yea, for what 30 seconds out of 15 minutes!?!?! WTF?? His takedowns did not accomlish anything except that. He took Wanderlei down who is suppsoed to be a black belt BJJ submission specialist and even said in the pre-fight interview that Chcuk is not good on the ground, so even though Chuck took him down, shouldnt have Wanderlei been able to Submit or out maneuver Chuck on the ground? LOL! Wanderlei WAS HURT and TIRED, just like Chuck was a few times during the fight. Just accept that Wanderlei lost. If they were to fight again, I’m sure Wanderlei has a GREAT chance of beating Chuck, but it didnt happen this time…too bad.
..Forget it I’m done trying to talk sense into people who can’t except the fact that their fighter didnt win the fight
[quote comment=”251478″]Did anyone else notice the Dig or emphasis at Randy in the Opening Music credits to UFC 79? They showed a clip of him hurt after getting KO by Chuck.[/quote]
I’m sure it wasn’t a cheap shot at Randy. They’re just showing highlight reel clips of Liddell because, of course, he’s one of the featured fighters of the night. It wouldn’t make much sense to have highlight reel footage of Chuck Liddell getting KO’d by Rampage when you’re trying to hype up the Chuck vs. Wandy match.
And back to fighter’s salaries. Their pay scales are going to go up. Its inevitable. The bigger the UFC gets and more mainstream MMA becomes, the more ad revenue, promotions, and opportunity for big dollars will arrive.
Will the UFC salaries ever touch pro boxing? I doubt it.
Chuck dry humping Silva? Hahaha…moroons.
Chuck was winning the fight from the beginning to the end.
Listen to Chuck’s post fight interview. The take downs did 2 things.
(1) Everyone knows Chucks a counter puncher. The past few years you’ve NEVER seen Liddell with top position trying to submit a guy or GnP. So guys mentally weren’t worried about his takedowns. They focused less on takedown defense and more on their striking. Even Liddell stated that him going for shoots and takedowns forces the other guy to drop his hands and worry. Which conversely helps his striking.
(2) In the post fight interview, Chuck’s split decision loss to Jardine weighed in the back of his mind. Chuck is quoted as saying “People have been saying I lost the fight to Jardine because of a few takedowns”. So why not take Silva down and score some points and gain some octagon control?
Honestly, fighters are there to win. If you were going into a fight with 2 losses in a row and you were handly beating a guy, you’d ease of the gas a, play it safe a little bit, and secure the “W”.
Besides, looks at Silva’s face after the fight. He’s tough as nails, but, Wandy’s face is proof positive that he was more than ‘dry humped’ during that fight.
[quote comment=”252786″]I just thought about this, how many of you people where dogging Chuck talking shit saying he is one dimensional and only relys on his KO power and punching after he lost to Jardine? You all were saying “he been exposed”…..well well now that he and takes Wandy down what…2 damn times for a total of about 30 seconds out of a 15 minute fight and now all I freakin hear is “Chuck is a pussy he laid and prayed on Wandi”…..yea, for what 30 seconds out of 15 minutes!?!?! WTF?? His takedowns did not accomlish anything except that. He took Wanderlei down who is suppsoed to be a black belt BJJ submission specialist and even said in the pre-fight interview that Chcuk is not good on the ground, so even though Chuck took him down, shouldnt have Wanderlei been able to Submit or out maneuver Chuck on the ground? LOL! Wanderlei WAS HURT and TIRED, just like Chuck was a few times during the fight. Just accept that Wanderlei lost. If they were to fight again, I’m sure Wanderlei has a GREAT chance of beating Chuck, but it didnt happen this time…too bad.
..Forget it I’m done trying to talk sense into people who can’t except the fact that their fighter didnt win the fight[/quote]
Were not saying that Chuck didn’t out-do Wandi and rightfully earn a win, were saying that that could be in part to the fact that Wandi wasnt 100% JUST focused on winning, rather putting on a good ass performance for this new audiance.
I see what you mean….I guess alot of people thought with these two guys going at it surely someone would have gotten KO’s pretty easily/quickly, but I guess this wasnt the case. That, or Wandy just couldnt get that 1 punch knockout, nor Chuck. It would have been interesting to see the exchanges go a little longer. Especially the ones against the fence…I believe had they kept going at it against the fence they would have both worn themselves out. Didnt look like Wanderlei was ever gonna go down, and right when it did look like he MIGHT go down, Chuck would back off either to recharge or maybe that was his plan? Also, if you noticed Chuck’s trainer was telling him to hit him with combos and then let him go, so maybe this is more Chuck’s trainer wanting Chuck to play it safe and get the win. Either way I enjoyed the fight, and would pay $40 to see them fight again.
I concede I may be a little too anti-chuck but only after years of supporting him.
Chuck did deserve to win, no doubt, I also agree that Wandy was out to put on a show, his mistake, he should have used his BJJ.
Chuck is a great champion and I liked his reign. It just gets monotonous when the outcome is almost guaranteed i.e. Chuck winning all the time.
Thats when I started to want him to lose.
It was like the Schumacher of the F1 world. Outstanding champion but glad he is gone so the competition are closer instead of him running away with the title year after year.
That is how high I rank Chuck.
Why is it that some posts await moderation and others are posted instantly???
[quote post=”4360″]And for everyone who rags on Chuck for taking Wandy down, you need to listen to his post fight conference…he was doing that to keep him hesitant and for something else to think about. [/quote]
If this was 100% true, Chuck would have went for the takedown in round 1 and round 2. He wouldn’t have waited until he was ahead on the scorecards before falling on top of Wandrlei at the beginning of the third and final round, and during the final 30 seconds when the true bangers stand toe to toe and swing for the fences.
[quote comment=”253086″]I concede I may be a little too anti-chuck but only after years of supporting him.
Chuck did deserve to win, no doubt, I also agree that Wandy was out to put on a show, his mistake, he should have used his BJJ.
Chuck is a great champion and I liked his reign. It just gets monotonous when the outcome is almost guaranteed i.e. Chuck winning all the time.
Thats when I started to want him to lose.
It was like the Schumacher of the F1 world. Outstanding champion but glad he is gone so the competition are closer instead of him running away with the title year after year.
That is how high I rank Chuck.[/quote]
Well said.
I used to root for Chuck as well. Although, I was rooting for Randy everytime he fought Chuck, and I was rooting for Rampage, Jardine, and Wanderlei. Chuck was a great UFC champ, the greatest UFC LHW champion of all time in my book.
AND I actually have a question as well. Why did Liddell not have a Show/Win type contract for this fight? The last time he won, geez - when was that, I believe he got doubled up for winning.