“I’ve taken a real big hit. I’ve had a lot of expenses that had to come out of pocket. I’ve spent over twenty thousand dollars defending myself. By the time I fight again I will have missed two fight pay days. I’ve lost sponsorship pay days, tons of exposure, people that backed out of main stream stuff. No one wants to touch that. Exposure translates into money. I’ve lost out on a ton of stuff. Plus, I lost a ton of momentum. I had a lot of momentum going before this. I’ve lost everything that I’ve worked for.”
– Former UFC lightweight champion Sean Sherk provides some compelling arguments for his positive steroids test during a recent Q&A with InsideFighting.com. The California State Athletic Commission (CSAC) appears to be making up the rules as it sees fit. But the snip above gets me. Again, I say hindsight is 20/20 — Sherk may have had no idea he was ingesting illegal substances. But some quick math [$500 (Per test) X 22 (Supplements) = $11,000] reveals that if Sherk spent/spends the money beforehand he’ll save a “ton” of cash in the long-run. And then some in terms of integrity, credibility and all of the other stuff he laments in the interview. Perhaps he even needs to link up with a lab that will do the tests for free in exchange for a marquee spot on his fight shorts. Just an idea. To say that “I can’t test all of my supplements” after this debacle makes no sense. Or is it cents?
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Do the crime do the time!
I wonder if his trainer is the same guy who roided up Clemens/Petite. Sean is crying us a river. He got caught with his hand in the syringe jar..and he is singing the Shaggy song..” It wasn’t me “.
I really find it hard to feel anything for his loss.
ITS YOUR OWN FAULT!!! Quit whining and fight fair next time you cheatin chump!!
wahhh boo hoo…stop taking roids then.
im somewhat of an athlete, i like to think im a better one than i actually am sometimes. But i know absolutely everything i put into my body, especially when im training hard. and sean sherks workout and diet made me dizzy to think about. To think that he, being the fitness freak that he is, had NO idea that there were no steroids in his system is ridiculous. especially since it was only 12 ng/ml. if it was 60 or 70 or something high, i would believe he had no knowledge and took them, but a lower amount leads me personally to believe he let his cycle go on for a little longer, or took a little bit higher dosage and didn’t accommodate. just my 2 cents
“I couldn’t care less what Kenny Florian or Hermes Franca say. They probably don’t like me because I beat the shit out of them and I’d beat the crap out of them again. They’ve got resentments against me. They can say what they want to say. I know I didn’t do it and I’m willing to defend myself.”
http://www.mmafightline.com/news/2007/1219/sean_sherk_311177.shtml
I understand that he’s been through hell with this steroid issue but I really think he needs to shut the hell up, fly under the radar and just continue to win fights to gain respect instead of talking shit.
I got your back sherk, get em bro.
Jerome Le Banner blasts Tim Sylvia
TN: If Tim Sylvia wins the heavyweight belt in February against Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira, any chance of us seeing you coming to the US to try and knock him out?
JB: (laughing) It’s been a long time since anybody talked to me about the “big sausage”…that guy is so unspectacular. He’s so ugly and annoying. Seriously, it would be a pity if the UFC had him as a champ again…he’s not Couture, Noguiera or Fedor! When I challenged him like 2 years ago, I was just tired of seeing that guy and reading and hearing fans and commentators saying he was a world striker, etc. Don’t get me wrong, the guy is good, he has some skills and a little bit of heart, but…is this enough? Just ask your US readers: Does Tim Sylvia have the skills, the style and charisma to be one of the greatest? I say no…
I would love to fight him! I would love to fight at least once in the UFC cage. It would be a very nice moment. If it happens, I’ll beat down this uncharismatic fighter. I’ll show the US fans what an exciting fighter is; not a conservative motherfucker who just wants to win without giving a good show…
Can you imagine, I come in to the UFC, I knock him out and I go back home (laughing). It would be such a mess! If he loses versus Nog, I’ll be happy to fight him! Hey, Dana White, make this happen! Or imagine a season of “The Ultimate Fighter” show with Sylvia and I as coaches and we fight at the finale! It’d be great. I’m sure I would train the guys well! “USA versus the world” or “the search for the next heavyweight champion” (laughing). I think the fans will love this show!
Here’s the complete interview: http://www.fighthype.com/pages/content1546.html
[quote comment=”238762″]Do the crime do the time![/quote]
right. people really need to start being more accountable for there actions. i wish he stop acting like he is so innocent and man up about the whole situation. im sick of hearing him complaining all the time. you took steroids and got caught. i hope sherk never becomes champ again. i have never seen a grown man that weighes 155 and 5′6” and has bulky massive muscle like that. most guys that size have lean muscle and smaller frames. he lucky they only gave him 6 months over a 1 year suspension. so he should stop crying
He should fight this, he did not get a fair trial. Bring it to court, sue their ass.
I hate Sean Sherk so much man
Once again, he never acknowledged the fact he was guilty.
what a whinny little B**ch
I wonder if any athletic commission’s or the UFC can have any approved supplements, like the NFL has.
This happened to Shawn Merriman last year, he used a supplement that wasn’t on the approved list, and tests came back positive. I am wondering if the UFC or any state athletic commission can adapt a systems that has tested and approved supplements for fighters.
This could add an element of sponsorship issues, though, if a larger company pays more that have an approval. But, I think a system like this could work without making the fighters pay ridiculous sums of $$$ to get their stuff tested.
[quote comment=”238804″]I hate Sean Sherk so much man
Once again, he never acknowledged the fact he was guilty.
what a whinny little B**ch[/quote]
read the whole interview, the test was mishandled. The only reason why you say he did steriods is because the CSAC said he did, but they have no credible evidence of it. Fortunately for them it doesn’t matter since they get to make all the decisions.
This should go to a judge, where both sides are allowed to present their evidence and cross examine witnesses.
The way the CSAC handles this is more like the Salem witch trials.
[quote comment=”238778″]”I couldn’t care less what Kenny Florian or Hermes Franca say. They probably don’t like me because I beat the shit out of them and I’d beat the crap out of them again. They’ve got resentments against me. They can say what they want to say. I know I didn’t do it and I’m willing to defend myself.”
http://www.mmafightline.com/news/2007/1219/sean_sherk_311177.shtml
I understand that he’s been through hell with this steroid issue but I really think he needs to shut the hell up, fly under the radar and just continue to win fights to gain respect instead of talking shit.[/quote]
I don’t know about Franca, but Kill-Flo hates you, if he in fact does, because you won AT LEAST one fight by cheating, and possibly others where you weren’t caught. He fights honorably. You don’t. And I would hardly call what Sherk did to Kill-Flo “beating the shit out of” him. He spent the entire fight dry humping him and doing absolutely no damage while trying to keep his own blood out of his face.
After reading the Q&A, I’m still hard pressed to see what Sherk’s “compelling arguments” are. Sure he got jerked around a bit with the hearings- but so what. He had clean blood, but dirty piss. Hmm… Well there a reason they give both tests isn’t there? Does he really think that the commission and the fans are stupid? And if some sample tested positive before you and the machine wasn’t cleaned properly- then you would test positive for the same thing right? Franca tested positive for a different steroid and He and Sherk were the only ones with positive test results for that event. Sherk just needs to keep his mouth shut. His BS rhetoric is insulting. You messed up and got caught. Soooo- get over it, take it on the chin, stop doing drugs, and after a few clean fights you may get SOME respect back.
I’m befuddled. Why would someone test less than half of the supplements they are taking? If you are innocent- for the sake of credibility and saving your reputation, career and your lucrative sponsorships- why wouldn’t you go all out for your defense? He’s spent 20k but he won’t invest an additional $7500 (if you subtract the 7 supplement he did test from the 11k). And what does it say that “you read that 25% of all supplements are contaminated” and you can’t stop taking because you need them but you won’t all of what you take tested? What is going to be different for his next fight? How can he guarantee this won’t happen again?
[quote comment=”238820″]
Hmm… Well there a reason they give both tests isn’t there? Does he really think that the commission and the fans are stupid? And if some sample tested positive before you and the machine wasn’t cleaned properly- then you would test positive for the same thing right? Franca tested positive for a different steroid and He and Sherk were the only ones with positive test results for that event.[/quote]
The never said who was tested positive before him, you are assuming it was Franca. These samples are tested at independent labs and may contain samples from many different events, there is no way you could know that it was Franca. Perhaps it was a local high school that sent in a sample from their football team.
In any case, it is very important that the equipment was not cleaned between tests, regardless of whether people before or after you tested positive. Test must happen in a controlled environment and proper procedures must be followed to protect the integrity of the test. If the procedures were botched, then the integrity of the results should not be valid.
Again Im not saying Sherk is definitely innocent, I am only saying he did not get a fair trial, because evidence such as that above was not allowed to be presented.
Sometimes I feel like I should give these guys, that are accused of using steroids, the benefit of the doubt. What if somehow, they are innocent. They’re completely screwed.
Summary of Sherk’s statement:
I’ll test myself leading up to future fights to ensure that I cycle off in time in case I’m tested.
[quote comment=”238787″]Jerome Le Banner blasts Tim Sylvia
TN: If Tim Sylvia wins the heavyweight belt in February against Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira, any chance of us seeing you coming to the US to try and knock him out?
JB: (laughing) It’s been a long time since anybody talked to me about the “big sausage”…that guy is so unspectacular. He’s so ugly and annoying. Seriously, it would be a pity if the UFC had him as a champ again…he’s not Couture, Noguiera or Fedor! When I challenged him like 2 years ago, I was just tired of seeing that guy and reading and hearing fans and commentators saying he was a world striker, etc. Don’t get me wrong, the guy is good, he has some skills and a little bit of heart, but…is this enough? Just ask your US readers: Does Tim Sylvia have the skills, the style and charisma to be one of the greatest? I say no…
I would love to fight him! I would love to fight at least once in the UFC cage. It would be a very nice moment. If it happens, I’ll beat down this uncharismatic fighter. I’ll show the US fans what an exciting fighter is; not a conservative motherfucker who just wants to win without giving a good show…
Can you imagine, I come in to the UFC, I knock him out and I go back home (laughing). It would be such a mess! If he loses versus Nog, I’ll be happy to fight him! Hey, Dana White, make this happen! Or imagine a season of “The Ultimate Fighter” show with Sylvia and I as coaches and we fight at the finale! It’d be great. I’m sure I would train the guys well! “USA versus the world” or “the search for the next heavyweight champion” (laughing). I think the fans will love this show!
Here’s the complete interview: http://www.fighthype.com/pages/content1546.html/quote
Great Stuff..John!!
Gotta like that pic of a skinny, distorted-looking Sean Sherk holding his umpteen cans of supplements. The pic says it all—if you’re a Sherk hater.
The man has definately got a long road ahead of him.
[quote comment=”238804″]I hate Sean Sherk so much man
Once again, he never acknowledged the fact he was guilty.
what a whinny little B**ch[/quote]
Thats b/c he feels he is innocent!!
If you were wrongly accues of murder, given a prison sentence that was half what is normally administered are you just going to accept the fact that you spent your time and what ever, “it is what it is”?
Why would sherk be the only person out of EVERYONE else dispute this? Cause he isnt a man? or wait let me guess b/c hes a bitch? NO! Its b/c he is innocent and has evidence that proves his innocence… If a judge does not rule in his favor than Ill be more understanding of all you haters, but until than… Im for sherk.
[quote comment=”238837″][quote comment=”238820″]
Hmm… Well there a reason they give both tests isn’t there? Does he really think that the commission and the fans are stupid? And if some sample tested positive before you and the machine wasn’t cleaned properly- then you would test positive for the same thing right? Franca tested positive for a different steroid and He and Sherk were the only ones with positive test results for that event.[/quote]
The never said who was tested positive before him, you are assuming it was Franca. These samples are tested at independent labs and may contain samples from many different events, there is no way you could know that it was Franca. Perhaps it was a local high school that sent in a sample from their football team.
In any case, it is very important that the equipment was not cleaned between tests, regardless of whether people before or after you tested positive. Test must happen in a controlled environment and proper procedures must be followed to protect the integrity of the test. If the procedures were botched, then the integrity of the results should not be valid.
Again Im not saying Sherk is definitely innocent, I am only saying he did not get a fair trial, because evidence such as that above was not allowed to be presented.[/quote]
It’s hard to believe that something that important would be overlooked by the commission and if it was that Sherk and his representation didn’t make a bigger stink about it at the time of the hearing. Well he can always take legal action if the hearings were that prejudiced.
This isn’t over by a long shot. I have laid this all out before. Quest has major problems in testing. The CSAC is a bunch of bumbling suits with 0 oversight. Look at the Phil Baroni hearing if you have any doubt. Same for Sherk … rule changes, sample handling, chain of custody, not enough sample to do further testing, cross-sample contamination, etc. The lab even admitted in the hearing to having testing problems (machine contamination from previous samples) with Sherk’s samples.
Sherk has a real case here and could take it to court. He could prove some huge punitive damages, especially if he could get some UFC brass support. That might be easier said than done, given the commissions really license the UFC’s product. But, throw out the polygraph and there is still enough real evidence and lab/commission errors/incompetence/cover-up to show that Sherk’s nandrolone levels tested high due to something other than iv or oral anabolic steroid use. A judge might like to here that. He may eventually clear his name and get some serious money for his troubles.
If you don’t want to butt heads with the CSAC, don’t forget Xyience’s own admission that their tainted product contained steroid boosters. Shouldn’t a supplement manufacturer disclose if a product is processed/packaged on a machine that also processes/packages products that contain ingredients not indicated on the label? Anyone with food alergies understand what I am saying? Here comes the FDA. Sherk might have a case against some of the supplement manufacturers. If I were his legal counsel, I would have every supplement tested and start the wheels turning. He might hit a UFC roadblock if he goes after the already money-hemmorhaging UFC sponsor Xyience in court, but just having the evidence might make him some instant cash. This won’t clear his record of the suspension/guilty verdict by the commission, but it would be fodder for his defense.
I’m not a fan of Sherk or his style… Baroni either, but both of these guys got shafted by the CSAC and it is time to call them on their suspensions. IMO, Sherk should stop taking all the supplements, eat a good regular diet, continue his extreme training regimen and stop being so weird.
If you are still posting things like cheater, juicer, missed his cycle, sherk sucks!, etc. you either haven’t been paying attention, don’t know much about the case/current testing practices (ever heard of google?) or you just dislike Sherk as a fighter or dislike his lay-n-pray style. Forget how you feel about Sherk, there is a bigger picture here. IMO, all MMA fans should be very concerned about the commissions’ testing practices and even more by their subsequent deliberations and actions.
[quote comment=”238881″][quote comment=”238837″][quote comment=”238820″]
Hmm… Well there a reason they give both tests isn’t there? Does he really think that the commission and the fans are stupid? And if some sample tested positive before you and the machine wasn’t cleaned properly- then you would test positive for the same thing right? Franca tested positive for a different steroid and He and Sherk were the only ones with positive test results for that event.[/quote]
The never said who was tested positive before him, you are assuming it was Franca. These samples are tested at independent labs and may contain samples from many different events, there is no way you could know that it was Franca. Perhaps it was a local high school that sent in a sample from their football team.
In any case, it is very important that the equipment was not cleaned between tests, regardless of whether people before or after you tested positive. Test must happen in a controlled environment and proper procedures must be followed to protect the integrity of the test. If the procedures were botched, then the integrity of the results should not be valid.
Again Im not saying Sherk is definitely innocent, I am only saying he did not get a fair trial, because evidence such as that above was not allowed to be presented.[/quote]
It’s hard to believe that something that important would be overlooked by the commission and if it was that Sherk and his representation didn’t make a bigger stink about it at the time of the hearing. Well he can always take legal action if the hearings were that prejudiced.[/quote]
Thats what he is talking about doing, taking it to court (I believe he should). I don’t think the CSAC is prejudice, but their interests are conflicted in this matter. They are the accusers, the prosecution, therefore they should not be able to also be the judge the matter. That needs to be done by somebody who is impartial. I doubt the CSAC would ever admit that their tests are flawed, no matter how much evidence is presneted. Do you think its fair that the CSAC was allowed to present their case (to themselves) but then got to pick and choose what Sherk’s lawyer was allowed to present for his defense?
He was not even allowed to cross examine the witness, that is very questionable. I made the analogy to the Salem witch trials in a previous post, only difference here is they are only figuratively burning him at the stake. That proceeding had no integrity.
When he says he has taken a real big hit, is he talking about the massive needle he stuck in his ass to juice up.
What a wanker. He sounds like a murder who gets locked up and then finds God. Too late my friend.
Instead of the Muscle Shark, he should be the MUSCLE SHREK. Ok, I know it’s lame but that’s all I could think of.
[quote comment=”238815″][quote comment=”238804″]I hate Sean Sherk so much man
Once again, he never acknowledged the fact he was guilty.
what a whinny little B**ch[/quote]
read the whole interview, the test was mishandled. The only reason why you say he did steriods is because the CSAC said he did, but they have no credible evidence of it. Fortunately for them it doesn’t matter since they get to make all the decisions.
This should go to a judge, where both sides are allowed to present their evidence and cross examine witnesses.
The way the CSAC handles this is more like the Salem witch trials.[/quote]
I really don’t know what to think of Sherk’s case… however, if he was taking steroids why would he mess with all those supplements?… It’s a shame we’ll never really know those answers, and if it is from all those supplements, it’s a REAL shame he’s lost so much because of it.
[quote comment=”238891″]This isn’t over by a long shot. I have laid this all out before. Quest has major problems in testing. The CSAC is a bunch of bumbling suits with 0 oversight. Look at the Phil Baroni hearing if you have any doubt. Same for Sherk … rule changes, sample handling, chain of custody, not enough sample to do further testing, cross-sample contamination, etc. The lab even admitted in the hearing to having testing problems (machine contamination from previous samples) with Sherk’s samples.
Sherk has a real case here and could take it to court. He could prove some huge punitive damages, especially if he could get some UFC brass support. That might be easier said than done, given the commissions really license the UFC’s product. But, throw out the polygraph and there is still enough real evidence and lab/commission errors/incompetence/cover-up to show that Sherk’s nandrolone levels tested high due to something other than iv or oral anabolic steroid use. A judge might like to here that. He may eventually clear his name and get some serious money for his troubles.
If you don’t want to butt heads with the CSAC, don’t forget Xyience’s own admission that their tainted product contained steroid boosters. Shouldn’t a supplement manufacturer disclose if a product is processed/packaged on a machine that also processes/packages products that contain ingredients not indicated on the label? Anyone with food alergies understand what I am saying? Here comes the FDA. Sherk might have a case against some of the supplement manufacturers. If I were his legal counsel, I would have every supplement tested and start the wheels turning. He might hit a UFC roadblock if he goes after the already money-hemmorhaging UFC sponsor Xyience in court, but just having the evidence might make him some instant cash. This won’t clear his record of the suspension/guilty verdict by the commission, but it would be fodder for his defense.
I’m not a fan of Sherk or his style… Baroni either, but both of these guys got shafted by the CSAC and it is time to call them on their suspensions. IMO, Sherk should stop taking all the supplements, eat a good regular diet, continue his extreme training regimen and stop being so weird.
If you are still posting things like cheater, juicer, missed his cycle, sherk sucks!, etc. you either haven’t been paying attention, don’t know much about the case/current testing practices (ever heard of google?) or you just dislike Sherk as a fighter or dislike his lay-n-pray style. Forget how you feel about Sherk, there is a bigger picture here. IMO, all MMA fans should be very concerned about the commissions’ testing practices and even more by their subsequent deliberations and actions.[/quote]
These past couple of weeks I felt like the only one saying this, though never in as much detail as you have presented here. I 100 percent agree with you, are you a defense attorney or law student by any chance?
Take the needle out of your bum and earn your respect back pal!
To be honest, it sounds to me like Sherk DID knowingly juice, but still decided to plead not guilty and build a case with roid lawyers because he had a lot to lose. As Champion, he could not have admitted to it because that would mean an automatic stripping of his belt and universal disgrace in the sport.
So he went out, did some homework with his lawyer and tried to build a case strong enough to give him the benefit of the doubt. Now the guy’s bitter because he did all this legal legwork and nobody cares.
[quote comment=”238787″]Jerome Le Banner blasts Tim Sylvia
TN: If Tim Sylvia wins the heavyweight belt in February against Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira, any chance of us seeing you coming to the US to try and knock him out?
JB: (laughing) It’s been a long time since anybody talked to me about the “big sausage”…that guy is so unspectacular. He’s so ugly and annoying. Seriously, it would be a pity if the UFC had him as a champ again…he’s not Couture, Noguiera or Fedor! When I challenged him like 2 years ago, I was just tired of seeing that guy and reading and hearing fans and commentators saying he was a world striker, etc. Don’t get me wrong, the guy is good, he has some skills and a little bit of heart, but…is this enough? Just ask your US readers: Does Tim Sylvia have the skills, the style and charisma to be one of the greatest? I say no…
I would love to fight him! I would love to fight at least once in the UFC cage. It would be a very nice moment. If it happens, I’ll beat down this uncharismatic fighter. I’ll show the US fans what an exciting fighter is; not a conservative motherfucker who just wants to win without giving a good show…
Can you imagine, I come in to the UFC, I knock him out and I go back home (laughing). It would be such a mess! If he loses versus Nog, I’ll be happy to fight him! Hey, Dana White, make this happen! Or imagine a season of “The Ultimate Fighter” show with Sylvia and I as coaches and we fight at the finale! It’d be great. I’m sure I would train the guys well! “USA versus the world” or “the search for the next heavyweight champion” (laughing). I think the fans will love this show!
Here’s the complete interview: http://www.fighthype.com/pages/content1546.html/quote
John, who the heck is this Frecn K-1 guy? I heard of Bruce Banner, who’s this, his French Cousin?
I see he has a few MMA fights, including a draw against Bob Sapp….. Is he any good? It doesn’t look like he fought outside of K-1 for MMA.
He needs to realize that he needs to do A LOT more than call Timmy names and shout out to fighthype that he wants to be coach of TUF. LOL. NO BODY knows who you are buddy. Get a win in the IFL or EliteXC, then come open your mouth about getting signed to WEC, actually, WEC does not have a HW division. I’d like to see this guy fight in EliteXC. Kimbo is in need of an opponent, and this Incredible Hulk guy seems like he can’t shut up. Then if he beats Kimbo, he can work on his ground game for a couple years. Then he can maybe sign with the UFC to fight in the prelims of an Ultimate Fight Night……. Point being, the UFC is not going to pick some bum off of a street corner and make him a coach on TUF. Can you imaging the commercials for that season. “The most un-appealing and boring fighter in the UFC coaches against some guy you never heard of. Please tune in.”
[quote post=”4265″]These past couple of weeks I felt like the only one saying this, though never in as much detail as you have presented here. I 100 percent agree with you, are you a defense attorney or law student by any chance? [/quote]
No, no law background whatsoever. I knew some juicers at one time…lifting scene. I was one of those people that 1st said “OOPS, Sherk ran over on his cycle.”, but after the Phil Baroni case came down, I starting getting all the info I could on the Sherk case. It stinks through and through. The CSAC is covering their ass on both cases…bigtime.
[quote comment=”238983″][quote post=”4265″]These past couple of weeks I felt like the only one saying this, though never in as much detail as you have presented here. I 100 percent agree with you, are you a defense attorney or law student by any chance? [/quote]
No, no law background whatsoever. I knew some juicers at one time…lifting scene. I was one of those people that 1st said “OOPS, Sherk ran over on his cycle.”, but after the Phil Baroni case came down, I starting getting all the info I could on the Sherk case. It stinks through and through. The CSAC is covering their ass on both cases…bigtime.[/quote]
I know, glad someone else see that. I am not claiming Sherks innocence, just questioning the procedure used to find him guilty.
THis is BULL mmamania….you expect every mma’er to test themselves with stinky oaydays of 16,00-45,thousand…that is absurd….
SHERK may be innocent look at so many people wrongly convivte3d on death row it boggles my mind how everyone hates this guy its not about weather you like or dislike SS. it’s about consistancy in the sport of MMA test everyone. ANd xyience seems pretty guilty here that would lead to a pos steroid test, which IS NOT SS’;s FAULt.
IF the ufc teseted everyone like they should the right way wow! we’d see all you haters on St piere and so on so move on
[quote comment=”239007″]THis is BULL mmamania….you expect every mma’er to test themselves with stinky oaydays of 16,00-45,thousand…that is absurd….
SHERK may be innocent look at so many people wrongly convivte3d on death row it boggles my mind how everyone hates this guy its not about weather you like or dislike SS. it’s about consistancy in the sport of MMA test everyone. ANd xyience seems pretty guilty here that would lead to a pos steroid test, which IS NOT SS’;s FAULt.
IF the ufc teseted everyone like they should the right way wow! we’d see all you haters on St piere and so on so move on[/quote]
Actually, I suggested:
Perhaps he even needs to link up with a lab that will do the tests for free in exchange for a marquee spot on his fight shorts.
Why does he have to take so many supplements anyways? It is not inconceivible that with so many supplements floating around in his blood that some of the chemicals could react with each other and form nandralone precursors. Why is someone that is so paranoid about his health taking unregulated supplements? Perhaps Sherk has OCD.
[quote post=”4265″]John, who the heck is this Frecn K-1 guy? I heard of Bruce Banner, who’s this, his French Cousin?
I see he has a few MMA fights, including a draw against Bob Sapp….. Is he any good? It doesn’t look like he fought outside of K-1 for MMA.
He needs to realize that he needs to do A LOT more than call Timmy names and shout out to fighthype that he wants to be coach of TUF. LOL. NO BODY knows who you are buddy. Get a win in the IFL or EliteXC, then come open your mouth about getting signed to WEC, actually, WEC does not have a HW division. I’d like to see this guy fight in EliteXC. Kimbo is in need of an opponent, and this Incredible Hulk guy seems like he can’t shut up. Then if he beats Kimbo, he can work on his ground game for a couple years. Then he can maybe sign with the UFC to fight in the prelims of an Ultimate Fight Night……. Point being, the UFC is not going to pick some bum off of a street corner and make him a coach on TUF. Can you imaging the commercials for that season. “The most un-appealing and boring fighter in the UFC coaches against some guy you never heard of. Please tune in.” [/quote]
Take it with a pinch of salt. He’s only half serious. I would like to see it though, or Crocop actually doing something decent in the octagon and breaking one of Tim’s chicken legs with a low kick.
[quote comment=”238949″]Take the needle out of your bum and earn your respect back pal![/quote]
LOL…he is a poster boy for roids. Shut up, take the suspension and come back clean…you jerk!
[quote comment=”238778″]I understand that he’s been through hell with this steroid issue but I really think he needs to shut the hell up, fly under the radar and just continue to win fights to gain respect instead of talking shit.[/quote]
I agree. Best case scenario for him, guilty or iniscent.
What ever happened to good old fashioned workouts? Everyone’s a pill popper these days. Common sense tells me that if you are not sure what fluid you are injecting into your ass, you probably shouldn’t be doing it. I just think it’s a bunch of bull shit that he claims he had no idea what he was ingesting. He couldn’t tell his dong was shrinking everytime he took a leak or beat off onto his UFC belt?
[quote post=”4265″]If you are still posting things like cheater, juicer, missed his cycle, sherk sucks!, etc. you either haven’t been paying attention, don’t know much about the case/current testing practices (ever heard of google?) or you just dislike Sherk as a fighter or dislike his lay-n-pray style. Forget how you feel about Sherk, there is a bigger picture here. IMO, all MMA fans should be very concerned about the commissions’ testing practices and even more by their subsequent deliberations and actions.[/quote]
VERY well said, SaVaGe. Phil Baroni and Sean Sherk may be assclowns, but the manner with which their cases were handled reminds me of the Witch Trial scene from “Monty Python and the Holy Grail.” The fact that there are so many polarizing moments in drug tessting across the board with sports ranging from clearly guilty bitches like Marion Jones to a jackass like Floyd Landis (yeah - drinking a shitload of whiskey will explain boosted levels of testosterone. Riiiiiight), to the persisting rumors about Lance Armstrong, to the recent Mitchell Report shitstorm.
I agree with you, SaVaGe. The use of empty rhetoric for or against Sean Sherk means that the real problem of a lack of unified testing standards, punishments,and oh yeah - COMPETENCY on the part of the testers themselves. To assume that a bunch of jagoffs like the CSAC is fair and ethical is like trusting Johnny Knoxville & Steve-O around farm animals.
[quote comment=”239227″][quote post=”4265″]If you are still posting things like cheater, juicer, missed his cycle, sherk sucks!, etc. you either haven’t been paying attention, don’t know much about the case/current testing practices (ever heard of google?) or you just dislike Sherk as a fighter or dislike his lay-n-pray style. Forget how you feel about Sherk, there is a bigger picture here. IMO, all MMA fans should be very concerned about the commissions’ testing practices and even more by their subsequent deliberations and actions.[/quote]
VERY well said, SaVaGe. Phil Baroni and Sean Sherk may be assclowns, but the manner with which their cases were handled reminds me of the Witch Trial scene from “Monty Python and the Holy Grail.” The fact that there are so many polarizing moments in drug tessting across the board with sports ranging from clearly guilty bitches like Marion Jones to a jackass like Floyd Landis (yeah - drinking a shitload of whiskey will explain boosted levels of testosterone. Riiiiiight), to the persisting rumors about Lance Armstrong, to the recent Mitchell Report shitstorm.
I agree with you, SaVaGe. The use of empty rhetoric for or against Sean Sherk means that the real problem of a lack of unified testing standards, punishments,and oh yeah - COMPETENCY on the part of the testers themselves. To assume that a bunch of jagoffs like the CSAC is fair and ethical is like trusting Johnny Knoxville & Steve-O around farm animals.[/quote]
Did you guys see the HANDFUL of pills he was taking on all access? That’s absurd!! Odd’s are not taht crazy tha one of those things set off the possitive test, weather it was steriods or not, doesnt matter, anything that sets off those tests is not allowed, he knows this, he shouldnt have been takin all those crazy pills.
this dude complains about what BJ Penn said about him, sherk bj is a p*nk & who the h*ll is he for satying those things about bj will not fight him if the steroid case is proven.
you deserved that sherk, if you dont want to lost some of you respect then dont cheat!!
cheater! cheater! cheater!
[quote post=”4265″]Did you guys see the HANDFUL of pills he was taking on all access? That’s absurd!! Odd’s are not taht crazy tha one of those things set off the possitive test, weather it was steriods or not, doesnt matter, anything that sets off those tests is not allowed, he knows this, he shouldnt have been takin all those crazy pills.[/quote]
1) Those “All Access” shows are basically Jedi Mind Tricks to fool weak minded mamalukes into buying mediocre crap (cough- XYIENCE -cough).
2) We’ve been conditioned for generations to think that a one-a-day multivitamin is perfectly ok, when it’s a Hell of a lot healthier to take a multivitamin spaced over several pills/tablets over the day. The same logic would follow with lots of different supplements like Chrondoitin Sulfate/Glucosamine/MSM combinations, fat burners, and recovery supplements. Your body does not subscribe to “one stop shopping” insofar as what it needs.
3)I’ve noticed on one of the best electrolyte drink mixes, the manufacturer states NOT to take it prior to participating in a drug-tested event for the possibility that ingredients in the supplement might show up as false positives.
It’s effective marketing, but not the most ethical. “Gee, I want to be like Chuck Liddell, so I’ll hemorrage massive wads of dough to get the crap supplements from his commercial.”
If Sean Sherk didn’t know that with his physique and “The Muscle Shark” as his meshuggener ring name that people would suspect that his huevos are shriveled up from artificial nut juice, AND if he’s taking Hunter S. Thompson quantities of pills on camera, then he’s an assclown. Is this fair? Hell no. If being an assclown was a punishable offense, then I have a feeling a lot of people would have criminal records.
I’m not entirely sure why sports nutriceutical companies would use negative publicity like “Our shit is effective - like ‘roids, and it might get your pee flagged,” but I have a feeling with all the shit hitting the fan, companies are going to pay a lot more attention to what’s not kosher. And what ever happened to the principle of “Caveat Emptor” or “Buyer Beware?” Is Sherk really trying to say that it wasn’t his responsibility to know what he was taking? DON’T FRIGGIN’ TAKE THE CRAP!
Train Clean
Fight Clean
Test Clean
How simple is that?
This guy makes $2500 a fight and hes supposed to drop $11k to test his supplements?! MMamania you really suck, act like reporters and stop these editorials. How about getting on the UFC for not having tested the supplements to protect their fighters.
[quote post=”4265″]This guy makes $2500 a fight and hes supposed to drop $11k to test his supplements?! MMamania you really suck, act like reporters and stop these editorials. How about getting on the UFC for not having tested the supplements to protect their fighters.[/quote]
If there is ANY responsibility to test and periodically test (anybody remember what an impact BALCO’s “The Clear” has on sports?) supplements, it’s the manufacturer’s responsibility, and not the promoter’s nor anybody else’s.
If Sean Sherk’s contention was that OTC supplements were showing up in testing, and if there is no evidence to the contrary (that the ingredients are beyond reproach), then it is his responsibility to pay for the testing. After all, it’s his saving grace from the CSAC’S ruling, right? it’s his championship belt, his sponsorships, his paydays, and his publicity, right? If he doesn’t have the funds for testing, that’s his friggin’ problem.
Why is it so unbelievable that the testing system is flawed or the unscrupulous supplement manufacturers are selling garbage?
This poor bastard was accused of taking METHAMPHETAMINES!!!! The TEST was later proven wrong!
Joey Gilbert Takes Lie Detector Test to Clear His Name
RENO, NEVADA., December 19, 2007. Following a positive test result for anabolic steroids and methamphetamine after his September 12, 2007, fight in Reno, Nevada, Joey Gilbert was shocked by the allegations of steroids and methamphetamine use leveled against him by the Nevada State Athletic Commission. “I immediately thought that the tests had to be wrong, or that banned substances must have been in one of my supplements.” Said Gilbert. “Because, I certainly didn’t knowingly take any banned substances..”
Gilbert immediately began looking for answers. Of his own accord, Gilbert chose to submit to further drug testing to clear his name. A hair sample test and subsequent retesting of his urine sample (taken the night of the fight) by an International Olympic Committee sanctioned drug testing laboratory at the University of Utah, ultimately confirmed that Gilbert did not have any methamphetamine in his system. As a result, the Nevada Athletic Commission dropped the alleged violation of methamphetamine.
“A failed drug test is devastating to a professional athletes’ career and reputation, and so I’ve worked tirelessly to find out what happened. We’ve been able to show that some of the test results were incorrect and the labs are doing more retesting. But, I also take dozens of different supplements and vitamins, and I just kept coming back to the question of whether some of them may have contained steroids.” Said Gilbert. “We did some research, and it turns out this is a big problem.”
A study released this month (Dec. 2007), and reported on by USA TODAY, reported that 13 of the 52 supplements (25%) purchased at various U.S. retailers contained different amounts of steroids. Additionally, six (11.5% ) of the supplements contained banned stimulants. Likewise, the New York Times reported in 2002 that a study commissioned by the International Olympic Committee revealed that a quarter of the 600 over-the-counter nutritional supplements that were analyzed contained banned substances that could lead to a positive drug test.
“Nearly every athlete who tests positive for banned substances makes a claim of contaminated or laced supplements—so there’s understandably a huge amount of skepticism among the general public and the various athletic commissions. Nonetheless, the studies show that the possibility of an athlete, or anyone for that matter, unknowingly ingesting steroids or banned stimulants through adulterated products purchased at a local vitamin store is real.” Said Gilbert’s attorney Mark Schopper. “So we are definitely looking into the possibility of an adulterated supplement in case the steroid retest should come back positive.”
Following the positive test for banned substances, Gilbert wasn’t certain what to do. Many boxing insiders told him that he had no choice but to admit guilt and take his punishment. Gilbert refused to admit something he didn’t do, and he still wanted to find a way to clear his name with the public. The problem, however, was finding a way to show that he never knowingly took any banned substances. That opportunity presented itself through a challenge by a Nevada Athletic Commission Inspector.
“A Commission Inspector told Joe shortly after the positive test that if he didn’t take the steroids and methamphetamine he should take a polygraph test to prove it—so he did.” Said Schopper. The test was administered on October 18th and 19th, 2007.
The polygraph test was administered by Mr. Richard Putnam, a licensed polygraphic examiner in the State of Nevada. Putnam, a highly respected polygraphists in the State, was a full-time law enforcement polygraphic examiner in Washoe County for 16 years, and has practiced privately for the past 17 years. Putnam has conducted in excess of 4,400 polygraphic examinations.
Based on Putnam’s analysis of the charts obtained during Gilbert’s testing, Putnam wrote in his report that it is his professional opinion that Joey Gilbert was “truthful” in answering the relevant questions in the negative, which included questions as to whether Gilbert had knowingly ingested steroids or methamphetamine. The charts were also evaluated using POLYSCORE, a computer polygraphic chart evaluation program developed by the Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory, and also the Quantitative Evaluation System (QuESt) of the Layfayette Instrument Company—both of which produced consistent results with Putnam’s opinion. Finally, Gilbert’s charts were subjected to peer review by a polygraphic examiner for the Washoe County Public Defender’s Office. The results of the review were also consistent with the opinion of Mr. Putnam.
“Hundreds of athletes have tested positive for banned substances and have blamed nutritional supplements or flawed tests. The difference is that Joe took a polygraph test to back up his statements.” Said Schopper. “You don’t see Barry Bonds, Floyd Landis, Marion Jones, or any of the multitude of other athletes who have been accused of taking banned substances taking polygraph tests. Joey’s test speaks volumes about the sincerity of his denial of ever knowingly taking these substances.”
“I took the polygraph test because I wanted to do everything I could to show the Athletic Commission I am telling the truth regarding the banned substances, and I also took it for my family, friends, and everyone in this community who has ever supported me. I don’t know exactly what happened yet with the steroid test, but I do know that I have never knowingly taken steroids or methamphetamine. Fortunately, the methamphetamine allegation has been proven false. We are still waiting on the results of the steroid retest by the IOC lab. Whatever the outcome of that test, I’ll take accountability for whatever was in my system. I just want everyone to know I’m being truthful.” Said Gilbert.
Sherk took a polygraph - yes
Sherk retested to proved that it was a mistake? - NO
Sherk hid behind an attorny like OJ - Yes
Sherk whines about getting caught - YES, he should have bought OJ’s attorney!!!
I hate when athletes get caught doing something illegal or that they shouldn;t then want us to feek bad for them. Are they for real? They got the world on a string and they risk it for a quick fix….It pains me..Thenoh pitty my family and lifestyle, Baaa Hummbug!
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Sherk hid behind an attorny like OJ - Yes
Sherk whines about getting caught - YES, he should have bought OJ’s attorney!!![/quote]
Too bad Johnny Cochrane is dead.
As others have mentioned:
How is it that hundreds of men have been WRONGFULLY convicted and put on DEATH ROW (and with many appeals) in this country yet the NSAC provides a flawless indictment, trial and punishment system?
Boo-hoo, cry me a river, midget. I guess you shouldn’t have taken steroids, dumbass.
[quote comment=”238776″]im somewhat of an athlete, i like to think im a better one than i actually am sometimes. But i know absolutely everything i put into my body, especially when im training hard. and sean sherks workout and diet made me dizzy to think about. To think that he, being the fitness freak that he is, had NO idea that there were no steroids in his system is ridiculous. especially since it was only 12 ng/ml. if it was 60 or 70 or something high, i would believe he had no knowledge and took them, but a lower amount leads me personally to believe he let his cycle go on for a little longer, or took a little bit higher dosage and didn’t accommodate. just my 2 cents[/q
You make no sense. Why would you believe if the ng/ml in his blood was higher that he had no knowledge. The more you ingest the higher it will be. If a supplement is tainted your blood count will be a lot lower than if you are taking steroids.
[quote comment=”238813″]I wonder if any athletic commission’s or the UFC can have any approved supplements, like the NFL has.
This happened to Shawn Merriman last year, he used a supplement that wasn’t on the approved list, and tests came back positive. I am wondering if the UFC or any state athletic commission can adapt a systems that has tested and approved supplements for fighters.
This could add an element of sponsorship issues, though, if a larger company pays more that have an approval. But, I think a system like this could work without making the fighters pay ridiculous sums of $$$ to get their stuff tested.[/quote]
Wrong! Shawn Merriman blamed it on the supplements but said he could remember which one it was and had thrown it out. There was never a test run.
[quote comment=”238949″]Take the needle out of your bum and earn your respect back pal![/quote]
Hope you never get accused of something and proclaim your innocence!
[quote comment=”239274″][quote post=”4265″]Did you guys see the HANDFUL of pills he was taking on all access? That’s absurd!! Odd’s are not taht crazy tha one of those things set off the possitive test, weather it was steriods or not, doesnt matter, anything that sets off those tests is not allowed, he knows this, he shouldnt have been takin all those crazy pills.[/quote]
1) Those “All Access” shows are basically Jedi Mind Tricks to fool weak minded mamalukes into buying mediocre crap (cough- XYIENCE -cough).
2) We’ve been conditioned for generations to think that a one-a-day multivitamin is perfectly ok, when it’s a Hell of a lot healthier to take a multivitamin spaced over several pills/tablets over the day. The same logic would follow with lots of different supplements like Chrondoitin Sulfate/Glucosamine/MSM combinations, fat burners, and recovery supplements. Your body does not subscribe to “one stop shopping” insofar as what it needs.
3)I’ve noticed on one of the best electrolyte drink mixes, the manufacturer states NOT to take it prior to participating in a drug-tested event for the possibility that ingredients in the supplement might show up as false positives.
It’s effective marketing, but not the most ethical. “Gee, I want to be like Chuck Liddell, so I’ll hemorrage massive wads of dough to get the crap supplements from his commercial.”
If Sean Sherk didn’t know that with his physique and “The Muscle Shark” as his meshuggener ring name that people would suspect that his huevos are shriveled up from artificial nut juice, AND if he’s taking Hunter S. Thompson quantities of pills on camera, then he’s