First bj then him. Anyways dana’s cheap. Just thought I should mention that.

Serra kept saying on the show that his mind is pretty messed up so i would believe it.

WTF

I hope he is innocent. That fight was back and forth and both guys deserve to come back into the Octagon.

hey do you think that maybe dana isn’t letting arlovski fight untill he grows the mane of hair back….. cause that’s the only reason that i’d sideline arlovski (oh and don’t forget the chest hair)

wow he really is a war machine! just kidding!!!
hope the truth comes out, whatever it is.

September 2 hmmm… wen did the show finish? dont the fighters get 2 months to rest and train for the finale so that means that the show ended 2 months ago so about early october, and he missed the first show so that was right before he got onto the show?

BJ’s bar fight was 2 years ago and not much of one at that. There was a rumbling outside of the club, he went out for a look and saw one of his brother’s being pushed around. He started pushing people out of the way to get to his brother and pull him out. Unfortunately one of the people he pushed was an in-uniform officer. He was charged with aggravated battery (no weapon, but because it’s a police officer any battery no matter how light, even a push, is regarded as aggravated battery because the law carries more severe punishment for any violence against officers.) This was all reported in several newspaper articles a couple years ago.

I’m speculating that the reason BJ Penn isn’t denouncing his sentence as BS is that as part of the plea deal (he plead no contest) his lawyer worked with the DA he can’t talk about the plea deal to not serve any time is that he can’t publicly state innocence (it would contradict the no contest plea.) It’s a typical plea deal for first time offenders, or when the “crime” is petty, or there are extenuating circumstances, or a valid defense (in BJ’s case, pushed the officer in defense of his brother, or out of necessity to prevent harm to his brother.)
So take BJ’s “conviction” with a shaker full of salt.

Let’s not pretend like we didn’t see this one coming. The kid looked coocoo for coco puffs on the show. Serra said he was a knucklehead. Choking a guy out at your place of work- Jesus take the wheel.

Aren’t these guys registered as lethal weapons? If they get in fights on the street the penalty would be severe?

he probably took the dude’s back and got the hooks in like THAT and choked the fool out before administering some nice ground n’ pound. Nicely done Koppenhaver! I love it when they showcase their skills out in the community.

That Is correct.
ANd Raiders suck.
I love Koppenhaver !! I hope that It Isn’t true…

[quote comment=”233746″]Aren’t these guys registered as lethal weapons? If they get in fights on the street the penalty would be severe?[/quote]
Whatever his disagreement with that guy, I’m sure a single punch would have done the trick and gotten the point across. A bunch of punches and choking someone unconscious- that’s serious business. Felony charges are no joke and they’ll be able to say that he knew exactly what he was doing given his skills and what he does for a living. I wish him the best. He’s got great future as a fighter. I hope he is not too derailed by this (i see why he was in tears at the tuf finale). I hope he realizes he is not an average joe and there maybe people who target him on purpose (hell if he beats the charges or gets them reduced- whose to say this guy won’t sue the shit out him). BJ was defending his brother and that’s one thing but these guys have to be alot more careful.

I suppose it’s too late to rethink the grenade on the neck tattoo…

IT IS AS SIMPLE AS THIS QUOTE SAYS

“The victim in the case claims that he did not see who broke his face in the confrontation. Furthermore, an independent witness at the scene of the crime testified that Koppenhaver was involved in the incident but was not the one responsible for the damage.”

ANY LEVEL HEADED PERSON CAN SAFELY PERSUME THAT THIS CASE WILL NEVER SEE A TRIAL. AT BEST WAR MACHINE WILL GET PROBATION JUST FOR BEING AT THE WRONG PLACE / WRONG TIME.

[quote comment=”233733″]BJ’s bar fight was 2 years ago and not much of one at that. There was a rumbling outside of the club, he went out for a look and saw one of his brother’s being pushed around. He started pushing people out of the way to get to his brother and pull him out. Unfortunately one of the people he pushed was an in-uniform officer. He was charged with aggravated battery (no weapon, but because it’s a police officer any battery no matter how light, even a push, is regarded as aggravated battery because the law carries more severe punishment for any violence against officers.) This was all reported in several newspaper articles a couple years ago.

I’m speculating that the reason BJ Penn isn’t denouncing his sentence as BS is that as part of the plea deal (he plead no contest) his lawyer worked with the DA he can’t talk about the plea deal to not serve any time is that he can’t publicly state innocence (it would contradict the no contest plea.) It’s a typical plea deal for first time offenders, or when the “crime” is petty, or there are extenuating circumstances, or a valid defense (in BJ’s case, pushed the officer in defense of his brother, or out of necessity to prevent harm to his brother.)
So take BJ’s “conviction” with a shaker full of salt.[/quote]
Yeah i’ve heard this story from a lot of different sources, a lot of different forums. I hope this is the case, BJ never came off in interviews and on camera, as the kind of person that would do something like that.

[quote comment=”233723″]hey do you think that maybe dana isn’t letting arlovski fight untill he grows the mane of hair back….. cause that’s the only reason that i’d sideline arlovski (oh and don’t forget the chest hair)[/quote]

LOL, my friends and i think the reason he was doing so well was his hair. He’s like Samson, if you cut off his hair the nhe loses his strength. Think about it, I haven’t.

[quote comment=”233746″]Aren’t these guys registered as lethal weapons? If they get in fights on the street the penalty would be severe?[/quote]

That’s just an urban legend. There’s no such thing as someone haveing to register themselves as being a “lethal waepon”. i’m sure if it is well known that someone is a mixed martial arts fighter and then they beat someone almost to death over an arguement, that could factor into the sentenceing.

[quote comment=”233770″]IT IS AS SIMPLE AS THIS QUOTE SAYS

“The victim in the case claims that he did not see who broke his face in the confrontation. Furthermore, an independent witness at the scene of the crime testified that Koppenhaver was involved in the incident but was not the one responsible for the damage.”

ANY LEVEL HEADED PERSON CAN SAFELY PERSUME THAT THIS CASE WILL NEVER SEE A TRIAL. AT BEST WAR MACHINE WILL GET PROBATION JUST FOR BEING AT THE WRONG PLACE / WRONG TIME.[/quote]

Wrong Place / Wrong Time? Yet INVOLVED in beating an unconscious victim (holding, punching, or watever he did, he was involved)…. I hope he and the others involved get a decent punishment.

[quote comment=”233723″]hey do you think that maybe dana isn’t letting arlovski fight untill he grows the mane of hair back….. cause that’s the only reason that i’d sideline arlovski (oh and don’t forget the chest hair)[/quote]

damn that is a funny post!!!!!!

[quote comment=”233786″][quote comment=”233746″]Aren’t these guys registered as lethal weapons? If they get in fights on the street the penalty would be severe?[/quote]

That’s just an urban legend. There’s no such thing as someone haveing to register themselves as being a “lethal waepon”. i’m sure if it is well known that someone is a mixed martial arts fighter and then they beat someone almost to death over an arguement, that could factor into the sentenceing.[/quote]

I hope the original poster is kidding, you are right?

I wouldnt put it passed him..it seems that he doesnt regulate to well..but I cant pass judgement until the facts are given.. Maybe in the ufc-mma world..these younger fighters..ufc 1sttimers can use a bigbrother to stir them clear of unwanted drama.

[quote comment=”233795″][quote comment=”233786″][quote comment=”233746″]Aren’t these guys registered as lethal weapons? If they get in fights on the street the penalty would be severe?[/quote]

That’s just an urban legend. There’s no such thing as someone haveing to register themselves as being a “lethal waepon”. i’m sure if it is well known that someone is a mixed martial arts fighter and then they beat someone almost to death over an arguement, that could factor into the sentenceing.[/quote]

I hope the original poster is kidding, you are right?[/quote]
If you are a black belt in any martial art form, you have to register as a lethal weapon, and situations like this regarding conflict, are much more serious for you.
However, in MMA, do teh belts work the same? I mean you practice boxing, JJ, Wrestling, Muy-Thai, do yuo still get teh belts teh same? All seperate arts? OR are you a Black belt in MMA?

Ya Mess With The Machine , Ya Get WAR!

I doubt he started the fight. People run there mouths when they are drunk. Dude probably Was talkin shit to John… So John Delt With Him. Just Like Anyone Would.
Streetfighting will get you 7 years in jail?? Thats Crazy.

That is shit! I doubt Jon did it. Why would he put his career in the UFC at risk? We all know it’s his life! I think the dude is trying to get some press.

Good luck War Machine. I can’t wait to see more of you!

[quote comment=”233786″][quote comment=”233746″]Aren’t these guys registered as lethal weapons? If they get in fights on the street the penalty would be severe?[/quote]

That’s just an urban legend. There’s no such thing as someone haveing to register themselves as being a “lethal waepon”. i’m sure if it is well known that someone is a mixed martial arts fighter and then they beat someone almost to death over an arguement, that could factor into the sentenceing.[/quote]
Incorrect, you have to have a boxing license to fight. Once you have a license to box your hands are considerd weapons. Maybe feet to, I dont know.

WAR War Machine

MAN HE PULLED AN UPPER DECKER!

[quote comment=”233804″][quote comment=”233795″][quote comment=”233786″][quote comment=”233746″]Aren’t these guys registered as lethal weapons? If they get in fights on the street the penalty would be severe?[/quote]

That’s just an urban legend. There’s no such thing as someone haveing to register themselves as being a “lethal waepon”. i’m sure if it is well known that someone is a mixed martial arts fighter and then they beat someone almost to death over an arguement, that could factor into the sentenceing.[/quote]

I hope the original poster is kidding, you are right?[/quote]
If you are a black belt in any martial art form, you have to register as a lethal weapon, and situations like this regarding conflict, are much more serious for you.
However, in MMA, do teh belts work the same? I mean you practice boxing, JJ, Wrestling, Muy-Thai, do yuo still get teh belts teh same? All seperate arts? OR are you a Black belt in MMA?[/quote]

The law is probably different in the US, but in Brazil if you are an expert in ANY type of martial art you cannot fight anyone, because the punishment is much more severe than two regular joes going at each other.

It says that War Machine was involved, but the witness clearly says that he was not the one that did the real damage. It sounds to me like he was moreof an accessory to the crime. If he cops a plea he will get at best some community service if his record is not that bad or non existent.

Wow all that for a street fight? That’s nuts. I guess people should think twice if they want to fight outside of a club. WTF man, if someone gets in your face and the only option is to fight and you win, he shouldn’t be a pussy about it.

UNLESS they beat him up for no reason at all. Now that’s jacked up.

This really happened, it happed here in san diego right outside his gym Undisputed……….. sucks but oh well…….. its his own fault

I wonder if he cryed after beating the crap out of this guy.

From the FightNetwork.com:

“”TUF 6′ VET KOPPENHAVER COPS PLEA

He wowed audiences last Saturday with a riveting back-and-forth blood fest against housemate Jared “J Rock” Rollin at “The Ultimate Fighter 6″ Finale in Las Vegas, but Jon “War Machine” Koppenhaver didn’t win over any fans in a San Diego Superior Court today. The troubled welterweight pleaded guilty to a felony assault charge, according to a UNION-TRIBUNE report.

Darren Zatkow testified that he’d been dragged away from his girlfriend by an unidentified person and choked unconscious outside the Undisputed Fitness gym on Sept. 2 . Zatkow awoke with facial bone damage; a friend told him he’d been punched by Koppenhaver while he was unconscious.”

I Bet he did cry saying that the other guy deserved to be there like he did J-Roc

[quote comment=”233767″]I suppose it’s too late to rethink the grenade on the neck tattoo…[/quote]
[quote comment=”233738″]Let’s not pretend like we didn’t see this one coming. The kid looked coocoo for coco puffs on the show. Serra said he was a knucklehead. Choking a guy out at your place of work- Jesus take the wheel.[/quote]

It was very apparent from the show, the kid needs some friggin mental help. I seriously am surprised that Dana or whomever didnt get that fool some help after he lost his marble on national TV. Sad

Poor kid can’t catch a break, can he. Eh well, some people insist on learning everything the hardway. He’ll be a better person after paying the price for this in that if he hadn’t had punched some random guy in the face he’d be on top of the world right now with his “fight of the year” performance. I love that kid but you reap what you sew.

[quote comment=”233770″]IT IS AS SIMPLE AS THIS QUOTE SAYS

“The victim in the case claims that he did not see who broke his face in the confrontation. Furthermore, an independent witness at the scene of the crime testified that Koppenhaver was involved in the incident but was not the one responsible for the damage.”

ANY LEVEL HEADED PERSON CAN SAFELY PERSUME THAT THIS CASE WILL NEVER SEE A TRIAL. AT BEST WAR MACHINE WILL GET PROBATION JUST FOR BEING AT THE WRONG PLACE / WRONG TIME.[/quote]

Good Quote Kevin Kelly…..This is just someone blowing smoke, it will never even go to trail. He was just there!

I dont know about you guys but I am definetly going to watch the replay of the TUF finale on spike t.v
tonight. I really want to get a second look at the War/J-roc and Huerta/guida fights!

[quote comment=”234118″]I dont know about you guys but I am definetly going to watch the replay of the TUF finale on spike t.v
tonight. I really want to get a second look at the War/J-roc and Huerta/guida fights![/quote]
I still have it saved on my dvr and replayed it a million times for all my friends who didn’t get a chance to see it. Everything from Rude Boy’s hula dance to Huerta’s choke- such a great night of fights.

God I can’t believe how many of you guys are saying “aww, poor guy.” If he got into a one-on-one fight with someone who was instigating it, he probably would not be facing felony charges. There’s a difference between a routine bar/street fight, and a group of trained fighters choking and beating the shit out of a lone guy.

I feel little sympathy for this douche. Wasn’t there a time when discipline and respect were a part of martial arts training? There was a reason for that. Namely, to minimize the number of deadly-but-dumbass people like Koppenhaver.

If he plead guilty to a felony assault charge, that is very revealing. That means he was facing something potentially much worse than a FELONY charge, probably multiple felonies with guaranteed jail time. That leaves little doubt that Koppenhaver was not just a bystander, but was directly involved in choking or hitting the guy.

I just read the updated article, and it looks good for War Machine. Boy oh boy, did he get lucky. The person he hit says that he does not want to ruin War’s career over this incident. I don’t see Koppenhaver serving any jail time for this, he’ll just get some community service and a couple years probation.

[quote comment=”233767″]I suppose it’s too late to rethink the grenade on the neck tattoo…[/quote]

LOL

[quote comment=”234085″]I wonder if he cryed after beating the crap out of this guy.[/quote]

LOL

I don’t see whey a MMA would ever need to throw a punch in a street fight. If you have an BBJ training you should be able to subdue most people with no blood at all.
If I was him I would still be worried. Some old judge is going to see that grenade tattoo and see that his profession is a cage fighter and put him under the jail.

[quote comment=”233758″]he probably took the dude’s back and got the hooks in like THAT and choked the fool out before administering some nice ground n’ pound. Nicely done Koppenhaver! I love it when they showcase their skills out in the community.[/quote]

you are a fucking idiot!!

[quote comment=”233816″]Ya Mess With The Machine , Ya Get WAR!

I doubt he started the fight. People run there mouths when they are drunk. Dude probably Was talkin shit to John… So John Delt With Him. Just Like Anyone Would.
Streetfighting will get you 7 years in jail?? Thats Crazy.[/quo

So John “Delt With Him. Just Like Anyone Would.” SO now you think hes a tough, cool guy? Hey, Dumbass! wake up! he looks tough to his buddies now because he choked a guy out, good for him, now he is looking at spending thousands of dollars on legal fees, sleepless nights worrying about a 7 year prison sentence. Yeah, I want to be a tough guy to!

[quote comment=”233770″]IT IS AS SIMPLE AS THIS QUOTE SAYS

“The victim in the case claims that he did not see who broke his face in the confrontation. Furthermore, an independent witness at the scene of the crime testified that Koppenhaver was involved in the incident but was not the one responsible for the damage.”

ANY LEVEL HEADED PERSON CAN SAFELY PERSUME THAT THIS CASE WILL NEVER SEE A TRIAL. AT BEST WAR MACHINE WILL GET PROBATION JUST FOR BEING AT THE WRONG PLACE / WRONG TIME.[/quote]
well said. inoccent until proven guilty.

dont write long paragraphs

[quote comment=”234140″][quote comment=”234118″]I dont know about you guys but I am definetly going to watch the replay of the TUF finale on spike t.v
tonight. I really want to get a second look at the War/J-roc and Huerta/guida fights![/quote]
I still have it saved on my dvr and replayed it a million times for all my friends who didn’t get a chance to see it. Everything from Rude Boy’s hula dance to Huerta’s choke- such a great night of fights.[/quote]

I 4got all about Rude boy’s hula dance, that was an instant classic UFC moment

Ah “War Machime”…………I bet his mother is proud!

[quote comment=”234670″]Ah “War Machime”…………I bet his mother is proud![/quote]
My mother would be proud of me, too, if I could spell “Machine” right.

All jokes aside, WAR MACHINE, forgot he was a professional. And pro’s get the full punishment, because it’s thier job-and i repeat JOB, to be a pro and act like a pro–that’s why they get paid the big bucks. If you want that money to keep rollin in you got to perform like a pro and carry yourself accordinly. Maybe someone else did it. Then I’m wrong. I hope I am, I’m a war-machine fan. But the sad thing is,is I see it happen all to often. That’s why you keep it in the ring like a pro, & just ignore the bullshit street talk. Stay smart.

Jon is a good person w/ a good heart. I know him personally and was there the night of the incident. Crap happens. Not to excuse what happened but, the guy pressing charges was drunk and acting like an ass. I have nothing but good things to say about Jon and if you knew him you would feel the same. Yes, he can be a knuckle-head but when your young you tend to do knuckle-head things. I think we have all been there. Back in the day if you got your ass kicked…that was just it. You got your ass kicked. No sueing, no going to court. Man up. You took responsibility for your actions as Jon will. Love…

[quote comment=”233738″]Let’s not pretend like we didn’t see this one coming. The kid looked coocoo for coco puffs on the show. Serra said he was a knucklehead. Choking a guy out at your place of work- Jesus take the wheel.[/quote]

some people in the world were jus made for war and combat , and would like nothing more. plus this mother fucker war machine choked out assked for it. its pussys like that who make me sick , everybodys a tuff guy these days , but when they get smacked the fuck up they cry.

This punk beat up my good friend while he was home from the Citidel. He almost always says he had problems while on breck now I read his Father and mother spent his tution on drugs. Truth is he went to Jail for assult with a deadly weapon and thats what it is called for a fighter. My friend was young now he can’t walk and is bed ridden. He only got a few months for that.My friend did not testify.
Oh and the 5 cop wrestling to take him away on a weapon charge it took 5 cops 13 mins to get jon he locked fists and would not move they finilly hog tied him and while putting him in the cop car he spit in the cops face! So he is coo coo!!! His fame is gone and I got my money on the oppenent. Jon’s Head will do him in. He will end up in Jail or a cap in the head.

“Zatkow said he made a joke as he walked out with friends, calling a group of men standing outside the club without shirts “tough guys” while holding his hands up to his shoulders with palms open before he was surrounded by the men.”

Looks like people should watch what they say. If you don’t respect others, why should others respect you? IMO he had it coming and should take this as a lesson learnt.