Someone sounds a little upset…maybe it’s the roid rage.

Sherk would get his ass handed to him by BJ… sounds like a bad blood match pending.

He’s got a point about the 1 win in two years tho. But anyone who can bloody up GSP and beat Matt Hughes at a weight up deserves everyones respect.

Ramapage even said that BJ is best pound for pound fighter, nuff said.

Well in my eyes I’m the LW champion, even if I weigh about 205 and have never actually fought. And Sherk fights just as infrequently as BJ because he keeps getting injured because his tendons and ligaments can’t handle the additional strain being placed on them by Sherk’s juicing.

The roids r really going to his head. Who the hell is he, but a cheater in the public eye, and a boring champion, who cant finish anyone. Lets not forget he was a champion who defended his title like once in a year.

Im sorry but he has a lot more to prove in my eyes then BJ does.
I could care less if I ever see Sherk fight again…Company Man!
defend his title for like $40,000 …Being stripped of a title is a very big deal and will put a blemish on his career forever….I would say he has a lot to prove.

I cant wait to hear BJ’s response….we all know its comming.

[quote comment="231424"]Someone sounds a little upset…maybe it’s the roid rage.[/quote]

HAHAHA. Nice!

What a goon. If BJ wanted to lay and pray Im sure he could do a better job at it then Sherk. Go dry hump in another organization Sherk. The entire UFC fanbase thinks youre a joke.

[quote comment="231424"]Someone sounds a little upset…maybe it’s the roid rage.[/quote]
Lol…Roid Rage
Is Sherk kidding about BJ needing him more? Sean Sherk is a boring fighter and couldn’t headline a match without a big name.
I HATE SEAN SHERK!

WHO IS BJ! hellooooo hsi name speaks for its self “the prodigy” doesn’t have anything to prove. yeah he may have only fought once in the last 2 years but at least he finished that fight. BJ has more finished fights than Sherk does in the last 2 years. ans Sherk has fought 3 times as many. I would be happy if BJ refused to fight Sherk. NO ONE wants to see Sherk fight because hes BORING, CHEATS and sucks as a champion.
As for Sherk being the Champion is his eyes thats fine but who fives a F*CK what he thinks… its what the public audience thinks. I see myself as the No. 1 heavy weight Contender so i think i Should fight Antonio for the belt. but its not true. so sherk go F*CK yourself and go work construction.. I’m sure you’ll make more than 40,000 a year.

How can Sherk say that BJ needs him more than Sherk needs BJ. There are no scenarios where this would be true. If BJ wins…then Sherk definitely needs BJ to fight if he wants another chance at the title. BJ doesn’t need Sherk and BJ doesn’t care how much Sherk thinks he’s still the champ…he doesn’t have a belt to prove it. I hope if BJ wins he holds out on fighting Sherk. He lost his belt and anyone that loses the belt in any fashion shouldn’t get an immediate title shot for their next fight. There’s a decent sized line for people on the cust of getting a title shot and Sherk should get to the back of the line now.

[quote comment="231424"]Someone sounds a little upset…maybe it’s the roid rage.[/quote]
and i had a high respect for sherk…now he just sounds like a little bitch. get off the roids and win a belt like a real champ…clean

sean sherk is a dip shit man…

lest he forget he wasn’t cleared of the steroid charge
only his sentence was reduced.

sherk does has fighting ability and would give bj a good fight
mainly due to his strength/and ability to lay on top of people/ground and pound.

i agree with bj, if sherk doesn’t pass another steroids test
pre-fight why fight him??? that’s an unfair advantage
to sherk.

This fight is gonna be soooo awesome!!, just keep adding salt to the injury..if these guys keep the hatred like this, its gonna be another BJ/Pulver or BJ/Hughes..both awesome fights.

What a little bitch Sean Sherk is. I still remember him running over to Hughes when GSP got knocked out by Matt Serra and kissing his ass and laughing…..
Lets see how Sean looks when he gets back in to the Octagon when he is clean. Lets see if he still has that lean bodybuilder look and if his conditioning is as good…..I doubt it!

[quote comment="231427"]Sherk would get his ass handed to him by BJ… sounds like a bad blood match pending.

He’s got a point about the 1 win in two years tho. But anyone who can bloody up GSP and beat Matt Hughes at a weight up deserves everyones respect.

Ramapage even said that BJ is best pound for pound fighter, nuff said.[/quote]

definately….NUFF SAID[quote comment="231440"][quote comment="231424"]Someone sounds a little upset…maybe it’s the roid rage.[/quote]

HAHAHA. Nice!

What a goon. If BJ wanted to lay and pray Im sure he could do a better job at it then Sherk. Go dry hump in another organization Sherk. The entire UFC fanbase thinks youre a joke.[/quote]

hahahahaaa……hahahahahahaah!!

The Muscle Shark does steroids no way!

It’s tough to take this quote seriously. I mean Sherk says that BJ has beat one guy in the last 2 years. Well sure he beat Pulver and lost to Hughes and GSP over the past 2 years. Sherk of course lost to Hughes and GSP as well including being flat out dominated by GSP.

Then you have one of the biggest reasons for BJ not fighting since the Pulver fight being because of Sherk’s failed drug test and subsequent appeals putting the division essentially on hold!

Sherk has his own reasons to be unhappy these days but these comments don’t really add up. What am I missing here?!

i’m just really confused by his statements… i would so much rather watch BJ fight than Sherk. he has a more exciting style, has a larger fan base, and he’s not an arrogant d*ck. if anything, i think sherk is a punk. i have no more respect for that guy.

and i think that his first fight back should have to be against Florian— cause i think Kenflo can take him.

I heard that Sherk passed a lie detector test. Does anyone know if that is true or where I can read about it?

one of bjs fights in the last two years was against gsp in a close decision that could of went bjs way but when sherk fought gsp he got embarrassed

[quote comment="231456"] He lost his belt and anyone that loses the belt in any fashion shouldn’t get an immediate title shot for their next fight.[/quote]

Unfortunately that’s how it is in the UFC. Tim Sylvia’s first fight after his steroid suspension was a title shot.

I think some of you need to read about the type of roid they are saying he is guilty of… I’m not saying he inosent but a lot of other sport pros have had misdiagnosis when it comes to that drug. guilty was the verdict and once you do your time you have paid your debt. I hope some of you take that into account.

I don’t see how this guy gets off spouting insults at anyone. He’s a proven cheater…plain and simple. He needs to get back in line for his next title shot. Let him beat a few guys clean before he goes after the belt again. I think it’s wrong of the UFC to put him right back in the mix after something like this. This is a scar on the entire UFC. This is supposedly one of the top weightclasses in the UFC right?? Let some of the many other top (CLEAN) fighters get a shot. Who knows if this guy can even fight when he’s not juiced up. Yes, I’m speculating that he’s probably fought dirty before but just didn’t get caught those times. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it must be Sean “the Duck” Sherk.

I wonder if Sherk plans to change his vitamin cocktail regimen. If not he might be on track for another positive test.

I don’t care for Sherk, never did. Even before the whole steroid scandal I had the impression that he was juicing.

I am just curious to see how the UFC brass will handle the situation if BJ beats Joe and then refuses to fight Sherk.

Sean Sherk is a boring fighter who was found guilty of using an illegal substance. Who cares if he still sees himself as the champ or not. The athletic commission did not overturn the decision so he was stripped of the belt. I can only hope BJ Penn beats him eventually or we’ll all have to suffer through infrequent and boring lightweight title defenses. No other champion in the UFC fights like that.

[quote comment="231496"]I wonder if Sherk plans to change his vitamin cocktail regimen. If not he might be on track for another positive test.[/quote]

SO TRUE

This is what I have a problem with. If I remember correctly, Sherk has always been a big, muscular guy. Think about his fights with Huhges and GSP. The guy was shredded. He didn’t seem any bigger in the Franca fight than he has ever looked. Why has he not tested positive before now. Don’t get me wrong, nobody likes a cheater, but there is serious room for resonable doubt. He did pass a lie detector……..

Pretty rich coming from a cheater.

Ooooh who cares anyway???

Penn vs. Sherk = Penn win by anything in R1.

Damn all you Sherk Haters.
Let’s go Sean Sherk.
If he beats Stevenson, you will fight and have your way with the punk.
I’m kind of hoping now that Penn wins so he can get his ass handed to him by Sherk.

He has a good reason to say stuff like this. If he can stir up some bad blood between him and BJ Dana might set up a fight. I think 90% of what fighters say about each other is a tactic.

[quote comment="231491"]I think some of you need to read about the type of roid they are saying he is guilty of… I’m not saying he inosent but a lot of other sport pros have had misdiagnosis when it comes to that drug. guilty was the verdict and once you do your time you have paid your debt. I hope some of you take that into account.[/quote]
Im glad we have one smart person on these chats, sherk is still the champion in my eyes, I dont think that BJ will even slow sherk down. Sherk is a monster, we all know it. he lost twice, while bj losses every other fight.

[quote comment="231467"][quote comment="231424"]Someone sounds a little upset…maybe it’s the roid rage.[/quote]
and i had a high respect for sherk…now he just sounds like a little bitch. get off the roids and win a belt like a real champ…clean[/quote]

He did, he won the vacant title in his match against Kenny Florian and tested clean for that fight.

[quote comment="231450"]WHO IS BJ! hellooooo hsi name speaks for its self “the prodigy” doesn’t have anything to prove. yeah he may have only fought once in the last 2 years but at least he finished that fight. BJ has more finished fights than Sherk does in the last 2 years.

ans Sherk has fought 3 times as many. I would be happy if BJ refused to fight Sherk. NO ONE wants to see Sherk fight because hes BORING, CHEATS and sucks as a champion.
As for Sherk being the Champion is his eyes thats fine but who fives a F*CK what he thinks… its what the public audience thinks. I see myself as the No. 1 heavy weight Contender so i think i Should fight Antonio for the belt. but its not true. so sherk go F*CK yourself and go work construction.. I’m sure you’ll make more than 40,000 a year (because thats all you fight) and maybe you’ll FINISH a job.[/quote]

So you’re a Sherk fan?

[quote comment="231470"]This fight is gonna be soooo awesome!!, just keep adding salt to the injury..if these guys keep the hatred like this, its gonna be another BJ/Pulver or BJ/Hughes..both awesome fights.[/quote]

That’s how I’m looking at it. I like that Sherk is saying this stuff. Bad blood always makes the fights better. We had to endure Ortiz/Shamrock II and III because they hated each other. The difference is that Sherk and Penn should be competative.

And another thing. I could care less if Sherk uses roids. Don’t get me wrong, I think the UFC did the right thing stripping him of the title because they have to maintain a precedent. The promotion can’t endorse drug usage and they need to be consistant. But otherwise, it’s about entertainment. That’s it. Athletes are paid performers. I don’t look to them for any other reason.

can we just throw sherk in WEC? he isnt exciting to watch at all. he is not UFC matetial.

I’d laugh my arse off if stevenson beats the mighty penn, doubtful but it would be funny. Most are talking as if stevenson doesn’t exist, and has no chance, I’m pretty sure stevenson would fight sherk for the title, penn’s weird. Penn is a talented guy for sure but man the guys strange, with a family like his all his bothers have the same name, odd.

It’s pretty obvious that he’s just trying to fast track things for a rematch. What better way to do that then create drama and animosity? The UFC is starting to feel a little bit silly.

Sherk should have stormed into the cage to dramatic rock music and grabbed the microphone and started calling BJ a punk, it would’ve been more dramatic. Then one of BJ’s friends could come running in from the stands and chase Sherk out. Sherk runs out and they sort of yell and stare at eachother from a safe distance.

Hes just pissed cuz they stripped his title, and he knows BJ Penn is a bigger name than him, and he hates that.

[quote comment="231488"]I heard that Sherk passed a lie detector test. Does anyone know if that is true or where I can read about it?[/quote]

He did pass one. That could be one of two things. Either he didn’t knowingly take something (yeah right) that gave him a positive test or he knows how to cheat it. Cheating a lie detector test can be done if you know how it works. It’s actually something you could learn to do.

Some people don’t know how to cheat it yet still do. It doesn’t mean $h!t really.

Can we put an asterisk on his belt if he gets it back?

So many Penn fans!

I’m suspicious of B(low)J(ob)’s motivation for Sherk needing to be cleared.

1) He’d HAVE to beat Sherk in round one, he gases by the end of that round anyway.
2) If Sherk needs to be cleared of roids, “Baby J” should have to be cleared of being a douchebag.

Fair is fair.

People here need to do there homework because mistakes have been made in the past, there have been plenty of documented cases where steriods showed up when none was taken, these are facts people not hearsay. Sherk walks around at 175 is 5′6 and has very low body fat, most roid uses are much bigger look at the pro bodybuilders his height they have a good 50 lbs on sherk, I’m pretty sure there using. Too many assuming people on this site that act as if there experts and have no idea what there talking about. People like that rarely get to the truth of the matter because they “know” before they do there research and find the facts. It’s a fact that the levels of steriods in his system have been caused by natural methods in the past so how can you say with certainty sherk took steriods? Its impossible to know one way or another if sherk knowingly took steriods on the information we have and in a court of law your innocent until proven guilty. What if sherk is totally innocent? He’s lost an enormous amount of money with his endorsements and lost his title, I feel for the guy because he might be innocent. But since he was found with steriods in his system the ufc really has no choice but to strip him of his title, I just hope if sherk is innocent he clears his name and puts this behind him.

[quote comment="231550"]can we just throw sherk in WEC? he isnt exciting to watch at all. he is not UFC matetial.[/quote]

You dont become a UFC CChampion by not being good moron… You get the LW Strap by beating the best in the division, which is exactly what he has done. Period. Dont make stupid comments like that here.

Why are the first 25 comments all desperately trying to defend BJ Penn? Oh yeah cause you guys are all in love with him- even though Matt Hughes crushed him down to 155,! BJ Penn IS a punk, why would we be so ARROGANT as to say that he can select who he fights, and why wouldn’t he fight someone because they used steroids in the PAST… cause he’s afraid of losing and having to make that excuse. If BJ Penn was half a man, he’d be determined to beat the hell out of Sherk, and he would let the athletic commission handle the steroid issues. BJ is arrogant as hell, and now I see why, with all these people kissing his ass while he acts like a jerk. Sherk should have said it like it is; BJ is an arrogant coward.

Waaaaaaa!!! Quit doing roids and people won’t take that stance with you. Pretty simple. Doesn’t matter, BJ would submit him from his back anyway.

[quote comment="231550"]can we just throw sherk in WEC? he isnt exciting to watch at all. he is not UFC matetial.[/quote]

Agree…Lay and pray. I’d rather watch an Andy Wang fight.

ITS FUNNY HOW MUCH OF A BITCH KARMA IS!!!! Just almost a year ago Matt Hughes and this piece of shit were laughing when St. Pieree lost his belt. Now Hughes is about to get his ass beat my GSP and never have a title shot again by the time he retires and ROID RAGE CHUMP now lost his title and will lose to Penn assuming Penn bets Joe.

[quote comment="231575"][quote comment="231550"]can we just throw sherk in WEC? he isnt exciting to watch at all. he is not UFC matetial.[/quote]

Agree…Lay and pray. I’d rather watch an Andy Wang fight.[/quote]
Take him down Andy!

BJ better hope he doesn’t win the belt or he’ll have to eat his words b/c Sherk is next in line. You can’t refuse to defend your title against the #1 contender….well, we are talking about BJ so who knows since the UFC sucks his balls.

So I can assume that everyone feels the same way about Royce Gracie? All of his previous wins are because he cheated, he took juice right? Two guys, Royce Gracie and Sean Sherk has fought numerous fight without testing positive, however both of their last recent fights they tested positive. People throw Sherk under the bus and Royce is still a hall of famer. Believe me, I’m no Sherk nuthugger, but the levels he tested at are very low for a positive steroid test. Sherk=12ng/dl, Grace=50ng/nl. Sherk’s positive test could easily come from OTC supplements, of which numerous fighters use.

[quote comment="231569"]So many Penn fans!

I’m suspicious of B(low)J(ob)’s motivation for Sherk needing to be cleared.[/quote]
Why the hell would you be suspicious of someone saying they don’t wanna fight a cheat? Sherk wasn’t cleared- i.e.- found guilty. If he only wants to fight respectable opponents that his right.

hmmm lets see: how did sherk do against GSP? TKO’d Biach. And how did Penn do against GSP? Pretty f’n good if you ask me.

Sherk is a tool. He’s got zero talent. All he does is shoot in and take people down. he’s a wrestler, as one-sidded as they come.

Sherk is almost as boring as Sylvia. He laid on top of Franca

for the entire fight, and almost got knocked out by two big

knees. Penn would finish Sherk no problem.

[quote comment="231583"][quote comment="231569"]So many Penn fans!

I’m suspicious of B(low)J(ob)’s motivation for Sherk needing to be cleared.[/quote]
Why the hell would you be suspicious of someone saying they don’t wanna fight a cheat? Sherk wasn’t cleared- i.e.- found guilty. If he only wants to fight respectable opponents that his right.[/quote]

He was caught yes, but after he serves his suspension and is cleared to fight then BJ will have NO reason to deny him a shot. After January, Sherk will be eligible to fight again.

In any case, now that Sherk has been officially caught, he will be tested before and after every fight for a long time, possibly for the rest of his career. Just because he was on Roids for the Franca fight doesn’t mean he always was, he has been tested before and he passed.

I’m not a big BJ Penn fan but here it him choking the Sean “The Steroid Shark” Sherk out.

[quote post="4183"]I HATE SEAN SHERK! [/quote]

Me too!

Let the beef begin alrerady.. i love bj .. i can see this being a main event at the end of 08.. grudge match!!

BJ Penn is a punk. And not to mention he’s a spoiled rich punk.

“The Prodigy” may be the most naturally talented guy in the UFC but come on…scoreboard.

When BJ has done something besides win a BJJ title or beat up a smaller fighter then maybe I’ll start caring what he has to say but until then he’s just a top 10 WW.

Penn:
“If you want to hear my comments go to BJ Penn.com”

Me:
“Screw you BJ, you’re an a-hole”

Sean Sherk calling BJ Penn a punk has more to do with him trying to stay in the 155 pound mix than bieng an asshole. He wants a title match as soon as his time is up and is trying to get under BJ’s skin. He’s playing it smart like Matt Hughes did a couple of months ago and is keeping his name up there because he knows in the stacked lightweight division there are lots of contenders and the belt can change hands before he gets his chance like Karo Parisyan missing his chance at Welterweight because of an injury.

come on enought of you people venting your anger against SS.
I thought he did a good job against Franca, and it was not boring, and BJ pennn may lose his next upcomming fight?????

I am beginnning to think that BJ will indeed fight Sean Sherk if/when he beats Joe Daddy for the LW belt. Think about it, BJ will be champ, Sherk will be #1 contender. If BJ is champ, he has to defend his belt against the #1 contender, unless he wants to play the “Tito Ortiz/I’m a pussy card” and refuse the fight.

BJ’s only other option would be to move up to WW and become champ at 2 weight classes. HOWEVER, at the current time, there is a champ, and a fight coming up for the interim championship. The winner of Hughes/GSP will then fight Serra whenever Serra is healthy to unify the belts, in I don’t know, perhaps June. That would mean that the next open slot for the WW belt to be defended would be after the Serra unification bout, in like October ‘08. By then, there should be no doubts about Jon Fitch being #1 contender, provided he doesn’t lose a fight between now and then. So BJ would have to wait until 2009 to try and hold both LW and WW gold. The only way around it is if right around the time of the Serra unification bout, BJ fought Fitch to see who will be #1 contender. BJ vs Fitch would be an amazing fight.

But honestly, I don’t want someone to hold two belt. It just means that they will not be defended as often as they should. But then again, which belt is currently being defended as often as it should?

Sherk needs BJ more than BJ needs Sherk. Nobody cares if Sherk had the belt. He was boring and a cheater. BJ’s fan base is much larger. Sherk is the one who needs recognition.

Sherk should be suspended for life, as should every othrer juicer.

sherk is a toolbox, he’s gonna be like latimer after he quit the roids and get tossed around like a bitch

Penn is respectable, and doesnt really talk crap unless it’s situations like this, where his future opponent tests positive for roids, he didnt even talk crap to Hughes before, or GSP, or even Pulver, just said he doesnt like pulver cuz he was runnin his mouth. Sean is just pissed about his situation, to bad for him. BJ in round two by sub.

I hope this fight happens eventually. Penn is the best technical fighter and 155 and Sherk is the strongest (maybe because of the juice, but I think it holds true either way). I think the easy pick is BJ, but pure strength can sometimes overcome ability. I would never bet against BJ at 155, but I would like to see them go at it.

[quote post="4183"]This is what I have a problem with. If I remember correctly, Sherk has always been a big, muscular guy. Think about his fights with Huhges and GSP. The guy was shredded. He didn’t seem any bigger in the Franca fight than he has ever looked. Why has he not tested positive before now. Don’t get me wrong, nobody likes a cheater, but there is serious room for resonable doubt. He did pass a lie detector…….. [/quote]
Agreed. I kno Bj is good but ill still go for shrk just because i like the guy. I dont think hes a cheater. I just think somebody slipped him a little something before his fight. Or maybe it actually could have been his supplements. Whatever. I kno hes a good dad with an incredible work ethic and i hope he can get himself out of this situation.

[quote comment="231569"]So many Penn fans!

I’m suspicious of B(low)J(ob)’s motivation for Sherk needing to be cleared.

1) He’d HAVE to beat Sherk in round one, he gases by the end of that round anyway.
2) If Sherk needs to be cleared of roids, “Baby J” should have to be cleared of being a douchebag.

Fair is fair.[/quote]

Sounds like you are a douchebag.

Jason
It’s a crying shame that Royce Gracie got caught doing roids.
However he pulls a hell of a lot more water in MMA than any “Sherk” motherfucker.
Royce was the definition of skill over strength. He juiced because he could not stand to lose. He should have retired in glory.

Is anyone actually giving Stevenson a chance?

Those who don’t like sherk because hes boring, all I have to say is your not a true mma fan. If you were, you would know how amazing of a wrestler sherk is. the only reason he dosn’t finish is because fighters are good at the fetile position. Why don’t you nag other fighters for not being able to transition to a better postion? You should love every aspect of the game.

Sherk is just a whining bitch. BJ will own him. GSP will own hughes again. 2champ mega fight late in 08 :)

Bj would kick Seans @ZZ!

[quote comment="231642"]Is anyone actually giving Stevenson a chance?[/quote]

He certainly could pull it off, but I just don’t think he is on BJ’s level yet.

BJ has better boxing and standup, so Stevenson will eventually have to take him down, which is a task in of itself(BJ is nearly impossible to take down). Once it gets there, it will only get worse since BJ has one of the most dangerous guards in MMA. I do not see Stevenson submitting BJ, and I doubt he will be able to keep BJ on the ground for long.

Stevenson has a nasty guillotine in his arsenal, he is really good at sneaking it in, and his BJJ is excellent, more than enough to prevent getting submitted by BJ.

Who knows, there have been plenty of upsets lately. We will see.

that punk bitch bj is gonna get his ass fuckin pwned against sherk and all of you will finally see that he isnt that good and that sherk is the best 155 in the world. finally i wont have to hear about bj penn and people will realize that he really isnt that good and sherk is a bad mother fucker.this fight will end after the 2nd round once fat boy runs out of cardio and heart like always and sherk is still 100%.and if anyone thinks that his cardio comes from roids just watch his all acess,dudu is a machine. all this may not happen if fatboy cant beat stevenson,which i really wouldnt doubt it if he dosent it

[quote comment="231647"]Those who don’t like sherk because hes boring, all I have to say is your not a true mma fan. If you were, you would know how amazing of a wrestler sherk is. the only reason he dosn’t finish is because fighters are good at the fetile position. Why don’t you nag other fighters for not being able to transition to a better postion? You should love every aspect of the game.[/quote]

I agree, Sherk is an excellent wrestler. Almost like a mini Matt Hughes. He had Florian grabbing onto the cage for dear life and Franca completely desperate.

Both of those fights went to decision because Franca and Florian just would not be broken. Lay ‘n Pray my ass, Sherk is always active on the ground trying to pass guard and get a dominant position. He must have mounted Franca half a dozen times, every time Sherk took him down he immediately went for side control. Both of Sherk’s title defenses were awesome and everybody here is complaining because he doesn’t knock out his opponents.

If you want to see knock outs watch boxing, or K-1, you obviously are not ready for what MMA has to offer. Those who say that Sherk is just a LnP fighter is not a true MMA fan.

You want LnP, see Jake O’Brian, now there you have a case!

All that money spent for the lawyer still could not get him to prove that he did not use steroids, ef Sherk, ef lawyers.

I don t get it; why he claims he s innocent.No one asks him to prove it and no one is going to believe it anyway.The tests he made are beyond suspicion.I can t figure why it would be one day reliable and an other day not.Sherk brought nothing new in this case except moaning like a cheater.
He should rather change the way he fights(lay and pray)and give to the fans entertainments bouts.

There seems to be a HUGE assumption that BJ will beat Stevenson. Do not count your chickens before they hatch. Either way, BJ and Sherk will fight sometime down the road. All of these “big time” fighter have to start fighting more than once a year though. Dana, get on that.

Christ, there sure are a lot of Sherk haters on this website.

I think Sherk is right right. BJ WOULD be a punk if he chose not to fight Sherk as a champion. A little bitch, if you will. What kind of a champion picks who they don’t want to fight? Even IF Sherk DID cheat (and let’s face it, it’s still a bit a shady) then I’m sure he won’t do it again before his fight with Penn.

Whether he’s doing it on purpose or not I don’t know but Sherk is starting to follow in Tito Ortiz’ footsteps by getting fans to absolutely despise him. At least he’ll make some money off the hype and publicity I guess. I for one definitely want to see him get smashed now more than ever.

[quote comment="231663"]that punk bitch bj is gonna get his ass fuckin pwned against sherk and all of you will finally see that he isnt that good and that sherk is the best 155 in the world. finally i wont have to hear about bj penn and people will realize that he really isnt that good and sherk is a bad mother fucker.this fight will end after the 2nd round once fat boy runs out of cardio and heart like always and sherk is still 100%.and if anyone thinks that his cardio comes from roids just watch his all acess,dudu is a machine. all this may not happen if fatboy cant beat stevenson,which i really wouldnt doubt it if he dosent it[/quote]

box91 = sherk

Sherk is a cheater..PERIOD! Imagine BJ Penn fighting roided up…WOW, he might kill somebody.

All the roids in the world cant help Sherk FINISH an opponent.

[quote comment="231642"]Is anyone actually giving Stevenson a chance?[/quote]
i am. and a damn good one.exspecially if it goes past the 2nd or 3rd rnd

the simple fact is bj is one of the most talented fighters in the history of the sport. his jiu jitsu is 2nd to none and with his flexibility he could easily be in cirque de sole. and if i recall, in sherks last 5 fights, he got sat on by matt hughes for 5 rounds (talk about his own medicine), got his nose broken by gsp, and then sat on guys for a collective 75minutes. I used to think he was a classy guy but that just went out the window. looking forward to him and penn now.

Sherk is trash

[quote comment="231714"]Sherk is a cheater..PERIOD! Imagine BJ Penn fighting roided up…WOW, he might kill somebody.

All the roids in the world cant help Sherk FINISH an opponent.[/quote]

That’s true, Sean “The Jerk” Sherk… one of the most boring fighters in his weight class.

[quote comment="231605"]
But honestly, I don’t want someone to hold two belt. It just means that they will not be defended as often as they should. But then again, which belt is currently being defended as often as it should?[/quote]
This may be the most intelligent comment made on this entire blog. Rampage will be sitting for months doing TUF. Not sure when they’ll clear up the heavy weight picture. Now after all the hype it’s Hughes v. GSP for an interim title. Then how damn long is it going to take to get Serra back to fight. With 5 weight classes the UFC should have title matches on almost every pay per view instead we get Rashad v. Bisbing. Weak. On this topic sound like Sherk is just weasling his name in for a shot later. Which he’ll lose if it’s Penn

I gotta say that Sherk is an embarassmen to the sport. I think Dana needs to take a lesson from the Serra/Scarola thing that happened on TUF6 this year. Friendship needs to get put aside. When someone is wrong they gotta suffer the consequences. Basically Dana is saying that if you get caught, serve your time and i’ll get you back to the top ASAP!!

The thing that upsets me the most right now however is the state of the titles in the UFC right now.

LW- Needs a champ because Sherk is a juice-pig

WW- Needs a champ because Serra is injured (although that is not his fault at all)

MW- Anderson Silva is gonna face Hendo. If he wins who does he fight after him? Not much depth in that division right now.

LHW- It looks asthough Dana is gonna make us wait until late spring/early summer to see Rampage fight again. I know he is injured but Dana needs to pump up his tv show of wannabe’s. Atleast there is a lot of depth in this weightclass to keep us entertained.

HW- Needs a champ because Randy is done

With 5 weightclasses you would think that every PPV should have some sort of title defense. Hopefully that will be the case in 2008

Just my 2 cents

It’s quite amusing how Sean Sherk can diss BJ PENN for only winning one fight in two years when he’s only fought two fights in two years. Sherk lossed to Hughes and GSP. BJ PENN beat Matt Hughes the first time, and probably would have the second time if it weren’t for the ribs. I believe he would have beat GSP if it wasn’t for his lack of conditioning(which BJ openly admits as being his fault in his book) and the takedowns in the third round. BJ PENN did far worst damage to both Matt Hughes and GSP than Sean Sherk did. I don’t get angry for Sherk not finishing his fights because I know how hard it is as a MMA fighter.

BUT PLAIN & SIMPLE: SEAN SHERK WOULD GET HIS A$$ KICKED BY BJ PENN

LOL! Sherk is an idiot. BJ lost to the same two guys that TOOLED him!! One was a split decision to possibly the #2 P4P fighter in the world, and the other was against Hughes, who he has a win over. Sherk would need a prayer to even have a chance at beating either of those guys. Then he criticizes BJ for losing to them?! Go brag about your 2 wins over a teenaged Karo. You’re as artificial a champ as your hormones.

Finally someone says it. BJ Penn is SO overrated. He has lost 3 of his last 4 and he won his big fights when the competition wasn’t as tough. Hes going to get his a$$ beat several times in his comeback because people have become more rounded. Just cause he can flux his weight bigtime doesn’t make him good.

Keep eating those cheetos BJ. Maybe if you fight heavyweight again these fans will put you in the hall of fame even if you lose every fight.

my bad 3 of his last 5.

Sherk has got to be the most boring title holder I have ever seen fight. He fights like Koscheck used to when he first started MMA… except this fool just doesn’t learn anything else…

Funny roid rage comment… that cracked me up.

F@*K all the haters.I hope Sherk steamrolls anyone who fights him.WAR Sherk!

sherk i wouldnt call bj a punk….by the way hes the only competition in your class…what maybe sherk knows this and is why he is calling him out…this is sherks only true competition period and he knows this….sherk wins this battle im sorry…this division is pathetic!!!!

Screw all you guys Sherk will crush BJ, period.

And once again everyone is saying BJ this BJ that, wtf he still has to beat Joe Stevenson. I hope joe kicks bj’s a$$

[quote comment="231778"]F@*K all the haters.I hope Sherk steamrolls anyone who fights him.WAR Sherk![/quote]

Don’t you mean “WAR STEROIDS”?

sHERK WILL HAND bj AND STEVENSON BOTH THIER ASSES

[quote comment="231792"]sherk i wouldnt call bj a punk….by the way hes the only competition in your class…what maybe sherk knows this and is why he is calling him out…this is sherks only true competition period and he knows this….sherk wins this battle im sorry…this division is pathetic!!!![/quote]
I don’t think you can count out Edgar if you are looking at it from Sherk’s view. Edgar’s wrestling is good enough that I don’t think Sherk could just blanket him for 3 rounds, or 5 in a championship fight.

i’m not going to argue that BJ Penn has not proven himsel (early in his carrer) but the only reason BJ wont fight sherk is because he’s afraid. first off, stevenson is going to whip Penn’s ass.

AAANND Second most of you guys have NO idea what your talking about…….you say sherk doesn’t finish fights…he’s 31-2-1 having only lost to hughes and st.Pierre….he has 13 submissions and 8 knockouts….oohhhh and karo parisan is 18-4 and 2 of his losses were handed to him by sherk

Now BJ does have some big wins too…i’m not going to fight that but his last fight was pulver who is 3-3 in his last 6 not to mention Pen is 2-3 out of his last 5… AND..OOHHHH
you have to Hear this one right before he fought st.Pierre he had the biggest win of his career winning BYE DECISION to Renzo Gracie….that was renzo’s (6th) loss out of 7 fights…lol

SHERK’S the man and he will be champion again

[quote comment="231778"]F@*K all the haters.I hope Sherk steamrolls anyone who fights him.WAR Sherk![/quote]

[quote comment="231796"]Screw all you guys Sherk will crush BJ, period.[/quote]

Do you guys have anything intelligent to add to the conversation? Hell, at least some Sherk fans state HOW he might beat BJ, but no, you two goons just say he will beat BJ easy and leave it at that.

[quote comment="231764"]Finally someone says it. BJ Penn is SO overrated. He has lost 3 of his last 4 and he won his big fights when the competition wasn’t as tough. Hes going to get his a$$ beat several times in his comeback because people have become more rounded. Just cause he can flux his weight bigtime doesn’t make him good.

Keep eating those cheetos BJ. Maybe if you fight heavyweight again these fans will put you in the hall of fame even if you lose every fight.[/quote]
LOL funny stuff but the truth is look at who bj lost to, lyoto 205 lbs, hughes 170,gsp 170. His fight with lyoto was close penn fought a guy who had something like 40 – 50 lbs on him,crazy. He was beating hughes until he broke his rib and gave gsp, probably the best 170 pounder a run for his money and it was close to a draw, gsp only won because of his take downs. He almost beat the best 170 pounders out there both fights could have gone either way, penn is more a victim of bad luck than anything. Penn isn’t over rated, he’s a phenomenal fighter and probably the most naturally talented fighter of all time who’s kind of lazy and lacks focus.

The funny thing about the comment Sherk made is that I am guessing everyone else is taking it more seriously than BJ.
BJ isnt a hothead and does his talking in the ring. Even after the fight with Pulver, while in the ring, BJ clearly showed some aloha and made the move to Jen to make peace.
My guess is that BJ is focused on Joe rather than feed into Sherks comments.

As someone with an degree in biochemistry, it seems plausible that Sherk tested positive because some of his supplements contained nandralone precursors (building blocks). At any rate, it is idiotic and obsessive to take so many supplements. If Sherk didn’t take steroids, then he needs to call a press conference and show all of the supplements that he took and have an accredited scientist explain us how the supplements in combination could result in a positive ‘roid test.

[quote post="4183"]I think some of you need to read about the type of roid they are saying he is guilty of… I’m not saying he inosent but a lot of other sport pros have had misdiagnosis when it comes to that drug. guilty was the verdict and once you do your time you have paid your debt. I hope some of you take that into account.
Im glad we have one smart person on these chats, sherk is still the champion in my eyes, I dont think that BJ will even slow sherk down. Sherk is a monster, we all know it. he lost twice, while bj losses every other fight. [/quote]

Actually, since 2002 both of their losses have each been to Hughes and GSP. Also, Sherk hasn’t beaten the best, while BJ has beaten Hughes and Serra in that time.

A loss isn’t everything, sometimes great fighters get caught or lose to a bogus decision. I’m not really a penn fan but I can tell he’s incredibly talented and can fight from his back better than anyone I’ve ever seen. Gsp took koscheck down with ease and had difficulty getting penn down, that really says something. Both gsp and hughes couldn’t get penn down in the first round, which is crazy because both those guys are excellent wrestlers and outweigh penn by at least 30lbs when they have similar body fat levels as penn. Sherk has great difficulty when he fights someone who’s just as strong as him and can wrestle as well as him(gsp and hughes). The only way I can see sherk beating penn is by wearing him down and beating him by a close decision. I think sherk has a much better chance of beating penn is a title fight than a three rounder. Penn always seems to fade in the later rounds which if sherk can survive would work to his advantage as he’s a cardio freak.

man getting stripped of the belt must suck! by the way sherk is talking he is letting his emotions of losing the belt get the better of him. he knows he will get to fight for it again. he needs to take care of business and get rid of any bad influences or people giving bad advice. bj needs to worry about the task at hand which is training for fighting Joe. then provided he wins he can worry about whether or not he wants to fight a “cheater”. i happen to like both bj and sherk and i hope the best for the both of them.

[quote comment="231846"]As someone with an degree in biochemistry, it seems plausible that Sherk tested positive because some of his supplements contained nandralone precursors (building blocks). At any rate, it is idiotic and obsessive to take so many supplements. If Sherk didn’t take steroids, then he needs to call a press conference and show all of the supplements that he took and have an accredited scientist explain us how the supplements in combination could result in a positive ‘roid test.[/quote]

But I don’t get what the difference is if you’re taking steroids or you’re taking 10 different supplements that achieve the same thing.

[quote comment="231744"]LOL! Sherk is an idiot. BJ lost to the same two guys that TOOLED him!! One was a split decision to possibly the #2 P4P fighter in the world, and the other was against Hughes, who he has a win over. Sherk would need a prayer to even have a chance at beating either of those guys. Then he criticizes BJ for losing to them?! Go brag about your 2 wins over a teenaged Karo. You’re as artificial a champ as your hormones.[/quote]

Yeah that’s exactly what I said.

It sounds to me like Penn wants to duck Sherk. ” Penn has stated that he would only fight Sherk if he was “cleared of the steroid charge.”" So according to this statement, even when Sherk’s suspension is up and the charge is still on his public record despite the CSAC’s incompetence and arrogance, Penn will not him until he is ‘cleared’? Thats bullshit, and I see where Sherk is coming from by accusing him of trying to ‘change the rules’. I also agree with Sherk in the sense that Penn is somewhat overhyped by the UFC. His last victory was over a declining Jens Pulver, and before that he suffered losses to Hughes and St. Pierre; and none of these matches displayed the ‘old’ Penn who smashed Caol Uno’s face in. Sherk has proven that he has a new and dominant game plan which was clearly displayed against Nick Diaz, Florian and Hermes Franca. Penn’s apprehensiveness shows that Penn is not foolish enough to label Sherk a tomato can, but if he wants to be the champion he should stop acting like a pussy and acknowledge Sherk’s right to the title shot. Either way, Dana is going to make the fight happen and Sherk is speeding up the process by trash talking. I still believe he was made a political example by the CSAC; the evidence against Sherk was very questionable and the CSAC basically acknowledged the presence of reasonable doubt. So in order to save face they reduced his suspension to what Sherk already completed so it would appear as if justice was served; the commission did not even look at all of Sherk’s evidence because they knew it would further expose their incompetence. This is quite common, as a paralegal, I often get to view the arrogance of ruling bodies and the CSAC is a perfect representation of that disposition.

[quote comment="231493"]I don’t see how this guy gets off spouting insults at anyone. He’s a proven cheater…plain and simple. He needs to get back in line for his next title shot. Let him beat a few guys clean before he goes after the belt again. I think it’s wrong of the UFC to put him right back in the mix after something like this. This is a scar on the entire UFC. This is supposedly one of the top weightclasses in the UFC right?? Let some of the many other top (CLEAN) fighters get a shot. Who knows if this guy can even fight when he’s not juiced up. Yes, I’m speculating that he’s probably fought dirty before but just didn’t get caught those times. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it must be Sean “the Duck” Sherk.[/quote]

He was not a proven cheater…The metabolite he tested for is naturally occuring in all humans..he just had more than average..he tested at 12mg…the legal limit is 6mg…for comparison Royce Gracie tested positive for 50mg in his last fight because he was juicing. There are articles on the internet..some by doctors, notably one from UCLA that say testing for Nardalone if too easily falsefied. Also the labratory that tested him did not follow the proper rules when testimg sherk…read up on it, the lab screwed up procedure big time but still sent in the possibly tainted results…Sherk may be guilty…but there is a lot of evidence that says he may be innocent too..just because you dont like a fighter doesnt mean you have to crucify the guy and automatically assume he is guilty…hate him or not the guy has one of the best records in MMA over top competition..and BTW its a lot easier to finish opponents when they are not top ten fighters..I mean Sherk has beat Ken Flo, Franca, Diaz, Karo twice…the list goes on….oh and he would beat Penn…the dude gasses after the second round…ALWAYS…and Sherk presses the pace so much he makes his opponents tire..So people..take a look at the backround to this juicing story…because its not what it seems

[quote comment="231563"][quote comment="231488"]I heard that Sherk passed a lie detector test. Does anyone know if that is true or where I can read about it?[/quote]

He did pass one. That could be one of two things. Either he didn’t knowingly take something (yeah right) that gave him a positive test or he knows how to cheat it. Cheating a lie detector test can be done if you know how it works. It’s actually something you could learn to do.

Some people don’t know how to cheat it yet still do. It doesn’t mean $h!t really.[/quote]

this thread is ridiculous. i’m really sure sherk trained himself to beat a fucking lie detector buddy, yeeeeaaaaaaa. and a lie detector test doesn’t mean shit either…that’s a good one guy.

and listen to all you bj sack snugglers just drooling over his nuts. the dude is no joke for sure, but he’s in a deep division and he needs to notch up some high profile wins before the second coming of christ is spewed all over mma forums. he beat an over the hill, past his prime jens, wow. we’ll see how he does against daddy. i’d like to see him fight sherk and see how he measures up against the divisions cardio freaks, THEN if he wins some big fights we can all sit around jacking off about what a legendary fighter bj penn is. until then he’s a guy living off past glories and a bunch of fans that resemble the pubes on his pouch.

[quote comment="231855"]Gsp took koscheck down with ease and had difficulty getting penn down, that really says something..[/quote]

he had some minor difficulty from the clinch, but eventually secured it and slammed his ass…maybe you missed that. from striking range he shot and got him down with relatively little problem, so i’m not sure what fight you saw.

Another ego maniac that the UFC is trying to mske into something they’re NOT! That my friend is a CHAMPION because they cut ties with the “BABY FACED ASSASIN”. Why not tis guy?????? Hmmm….sounds like favorites to me. ROID RAGE!!!!!!!!

[quote comment="231591"]I’m not a big BJ Penn fan but here it him choking the Sean “The Steroid Shark” Sherk out.[/quote]

ha ha nice. I like the guy when he is fighting other fighters than my favorite fighters……..BJ is good and even better now with his conditioning.

Hey Mania or Jesse Holland

I found video detailing BJ PENN’s dieting and nutrition. This proves to everyone who thinks he’s out of shape that they are wrong. He only gassed in the GSP fight and still nearly won. Hope it’s useful

Here’s the link:

http://www.bjpenn.com/learn/tvstation.php?article_id=503

[quote post="4183"]Sherk would get his ass handed to him by BJ… sounds like a bad blood match pending.
He’s got a point about the 1 win in two years tho. But anyone who can bloody up GSP and beat Matt Hughes at a weight up deserves everyones respect.
Ramapage even said that BJ is best pound for pound fighter, nuff said. [/quote]
BJ lost his last 2 WW fights to STRONG WRESTLERS , he is avoiding Sherk because he is a STRONG WRESTLER. BJ doesn’t fair well against STRONG WRESTLERS and he knows it, nuff said.

I’d like to see what he has to say after Bj breaks Sherk’s left arm or something….

[quote post="4183"]As someone with an degree in biochemistry, it seems plausible that Sherk tested positive because some of his supplements contained nandralone precursors (building blocks). At any rate, it is idiotic and obsessive to take so many supplements. If Sherk didn’t take steroids, then he needs to call a press conference and show all of the supplements that he took and have an accredited scientist explain us how the supplements in combination could result in a positive “roid test.
But I don’t get what the difference is if you’re taking steroids or you’re taking 10 different supplements that achieve the same thing. [/quote]

Lol the difference is the supplements are legal so why not take them if you can in such a physically demanding sport? Plus I’m sure if everyone loaded themselves with legal supplements their would be a lot less injuries in training. Sherk would beat BJ. BJ is great, but Sherk is a beast, and has proven time and time again that he delivers the win. BJ saying at one point that he would not fight Sherk if he came up positive for roids, even if Sherk was clean when they fight is his way of ducking a fight with Sherk.

[quote comment="231975"]I’d like to see what he has to say after Bj breaks Sherk’s left arm or something….[/quote]

LOL.. Then BJ can silence all the haters.

[quote comment="231819"]sHERK WILL HAND bj AND STEVENSON BOTH THIER ASSES[/quote]
well spoken. And i think all would do the same to all these sherk hating punks. When the time comes and there is an artical how sherk beats penn hairy ass all you can stfu!

BJ saying at one point that he would not fight Sherk if he came up positive for roids, even if Sherk was clean when they fight its his way of ducking a fight with Sherk.[/quote]

[quote post="4183"]I am beginnning to think that BJ will indeed fight Sean Sherk if/when he beats Joe Daddy for the LW belt. Think about it, BJ will be champ, Sherk will be #1 contender. If BJ is champ, he has to defend his belt against the #1 contender, unless he wants to play the “Tito Ortiz/I’m a pussy card” and refuse the fight.
BJ’s only other option would be to move up to WW and become champ at 2 weight classes. HOWEVER, at the current time, there is a champ, and a fight coming up for the interim championship. The winner of Hughes/GSP will then fight Serra whenever Serra is healthy to unify the belts, in I don’t know, perhaps June. That would mean that the next open slot for the WW belt to be defended would be after the Serra unification bout, in like October “08. By then, there should be no doubts about Jon Fitch being #1 contender, provided he doesn’t lose a fight between now and then. So BJ would have to wait until 2009 to try and hold both LW and WW gold. The only way around it is if right around the time of the Serra unification bout, BJ fought Fitch to see who will be #1 contender. BJ vs Fitch would be an amazing fight.
But honestly, I don’t want someone to hold two belt. It just means that they will not be defended as often as they should. But then again, which belt is currently being defended as often as it should? [/quote]
That’s funny , BJ moving up to WW to hold 2 belts. He doesn’t even have one yet, and his competition at LW is anything but a given. He is 0-2 at WW lately and Gsp is better than ever, not to mention Fitch and Kos. BJ has to be in shape at LW, to make weight, but at WW I don’t think he has the discipline to have the cardio to hang with the wealth of talent in that division.

[quote comment="231974"][quote post="4183"]Sherk would get his ass handed to him by BJ… sounds like a bad blood match pending.
He’s got a point about the 1 win in two years tho. But anyone who can bloody up GSP and beat Matt Hughes at a weight up deserves everyones respect.
Ramapage even said that BJ is best pound for pound fighter, nuff said. [/quote]
BJ lost his last 2 WW fights to STRONG WRESTLERS , he is avoiding Sherk because he is a STRONG WRESTLER. BJ doesn’t fair well against STRONG WRESTLERS and he knows it, nuff said.[/quote]

Erm BJ lost his last 2 WW fights due to a broken rib and poor cadio not STRONG WRESTLERS.

At 155 BJ has got to be in shape and can easily deal with Sherk. Name one impressive victory of Sherks? A decision over Diaz, thats all i can think of.

Penn has big wins over GOMI, SERRA, HUGHES, PULVER, GRACIE and schooled GSP in the first round.

[quote comment="231647"]Those who don’t like sherk because hes boring, all I have to say is your not a true mma fan. If you were, you would know how amazing of a wrestler sherk is. the only reason he dosn’t finish is because fighters are good at the fetile position. Why don’t you nag other fighters for not being able to transition to a better postion? You should love every aspect of the game.[/quote]

Your argumunt is exactly why we hate him. If I wanted to see a collegiate wrestler sit on top of some one for 25 minutes I would go to the local High School and watch wreslters. When I want to watch a good boxer or kick boxer I watch kick boxing or boxing. When we watch MMa we watch it because of guys like Penn, Ken Florian, MAtt Hughes, Anderson Silva. You want to argue great wrestlers in MMA, how about Dan Henderson, Randy Couture, John Fitch, Urijah Faber, MAtt Linland, who all in half the fight that Sherk have have master MMA (Mixed Martial ARts) not wrestling. The lay and pray means nothing if you can not advance your position. One day when there is a real scoring system you will realize top control should not always win the fight….

[quote comment="231581"]So I can assume that everyone feels the same way about Royce Gracie? All of his previous wins are because he cheated, he took juice right? Two guys, Royce Gracie and Sean Sherk has fought numerous fight without testing positive, however both of their last recent fights they tested positive. People throw Sherk under the bus and Royce is still a hall of famer. Believe me, I’m no Sherk nuthugger, but the levels he tested at are very low for a positive steroid test. Sherk=12ng/dl, Grace=50ng/nl. Sherk’s positive test could easily come from OTC supplements, of which numerous fighters use.[/quote]

You are not really comparing Royce Gracie to Sean Sherk in all seriousness are you? In case you were what Royce Gracie has done for the sport compared to what Sean Sherk have done for MMA do not compare. We have MMA because of Royce Gracie and him getting into the ring with no rules, getting his nuts pounded in, figthing with dislocated shoulders, and with no rules except for no eye gouging or fish hooking. Sean Sherk has come into the sport with rules. Where the Dr. will call the fight for a deep cut or not so deep cut, for a dislocated arm or obvious injury. You are not comparing apple to apples you are comparing apples, Royce Gracie, to raisins, Sean Sherk. I personally feel Royce Gracie needed to be punished as well for his positive test in the current MMA, but if he testes positive back in 1993 after getting his teststicals smashed repeatedly to the point where I could actually taste the vomit coming up the back of my throat, so be it. Current MMA rules and guidelines make it a civil sport. So Gracies last positive he should be punished and is full of shit. But anything before the sport being made American, whatever it was all out…That the way I feel. Sherk has done nothing for the face of MMMA compared to ROyce Gracie, except lay on it…

I hope BJ woops Sherk.. the guy is roidimania to the fullest..and he is on that good shit..with a side organic
carrots..and to sherk’s lawyers..I’m not intrested in count ratios..whatever..the proof is in the pudding.

[quote comment="231833"]i’m not going to argue that BJ Penn has not proven himsel (early in his carrer) but the only reason BJ wont fight sherk is because he’s afraid. first off, stevenson is going to whip Penn’s ass.

AAANND Second most of you guys have NO idea what your talking about…….you say sherk doesn’t finish fights…he’s 31-2-1 having only lost to hughes and st.Pierre….he has 13 submissions and 8 knockouts….oohhhh and karo parisan is 18-4 and 2 of his losses were handed to him by sherk

Now BJ does have some big wins too…i’m not going to fight that but his last fight was pulver who is 3-3 in his last 6 not to mention Pen is 2-3 out of his last 5… AND..OOHHHH
you have to Hear this one right before he fought st.Pierre he had the biggest win of his career winning BYE DECISION to Renzo Gracie….that was renzo’s (6th) loss out of 7 fights…lol

SHERK’S the man and he will be champion again[/quote]

Can u honestly sit there and tell me that you arent impressed by Bj Penn’s complete domination of one of the absolute greatest LW fighters in the world, Takanori Gomi?

I am not saying sherk shouldnt get a title shot, I am saying he shouldnt get one immediately. He should have to win 1 or 2 fights first before getting a shot at the title, if not being stripped of the title and having a 6 month suspension just turns into a vacation. If you get caught using roids, stripped of the title, serve your suspension, and tyhen get an immediate title shot, if you win its like you didnt even skip a beat. He has to be punished, make him win 2 fights first. Sherk is clearly one of the toughest 155 lb fighters in the world, winning a fight against a top 10 opponent to get a shot at the title shouldnt be a problem. But if he gets an immediate title shot its just a shame and the suspesnsion means nothing.

[quote comment="232082"][quote comment="231647"]Those who don’t like sherk because hes boring, all I have to say is your not a true mma fan. If you were, you would know how amazing of a wrestler sherk is. the only reason he dosn’t finish is because fighters are good at the fetile position. Why don’t you nag other fighters for not being able to transition to a better postion? You should love every aspect of the game.[/quote]

Your argumunt is exactly why we hate him. If I wanted to see a collegiate wrestler sit on top of some one for 25 minutes I would go to the local High School and watch wreslters. When I want to watch a good boxer or kick boxer I watch kick boxing or boxing. When we watch MMa we watch it because of guys like Penn, Ken Florian, MAtt Hughes, Anderson Silva. You want to argue great wrestlers in MMA, how about Dan Henderson, Randy Couture, John Fitch, Urijah Faber, MAtt Linland, who all in half the fight that Sherk have have master MMA (Mixed Martial ARts) not wrestling. The lay and pray means nothing if you can not advance your position. One day when there is a real scoring system you will realize top control should not always win the fight….[/quote]

Da Monkey: u made some of the most intelligent and well thought comments that I have heard in a while on this site. 1st of all something needs to be done about the scoring system. For instance say Arlovski takes wabricio werdum down to the ground and has top position, but does nothing with it, he should not be awarded points. Fabricio Werdum has no stand up and is a ground wizard off of his back. So y should someone be awarded points for taking the fight to the ground and not doing anything with the top control? To many times fighters win rounds by securing a couple of takedowns but do nothing with it. I would like to see the whole fight scored on just Damage points and legitimate submission defenses.

Takedowns shouldnt be worth anythng (unless its a SLAM that damages an opponent) you shouldnt get any points for passing the guard (no octagon control points) I say this because those aspects of a fight give you an opportunity to have an advantage when it comes to damage points.

Let me Break it Down:

Takedowns gives you an advantage to do more damage to your opponent than he can do to you, so why award the fighter for it, award him if he actually does the damage. (unless its a slam)

Passing guard: everytime you go from guard, to half guard, to side guard, and eventually the mount, you are increasing your advantages. Everytime you pass positions you have more chances of doing damage or securing a submission, while reducing your opponents chances to damage his opponent or defend himself.

Fighters shouldnt be awarded points for these aspects of the fight. They need to do damage or threaten an opponent with solid submission. These aspects are what give you the opportunity to do damage and even finish the fight, so you should not be awarded any points for any of those things.

POINTS should only be awarded for DAMAGE and legitimate SUBMISSION attempts.

To all of you out there that are saying that Sherk could have naturally tested positive for 12 ng/ml of Nandrolone, consider this:

The Olympics have set a limit of 2 nanograms per ml of urine as the limit after which a test for nandro will be positive. This limit was based on testing done at the Nagano olympics where the HIGHEST level of nandro recorded was 0.2 ng/ml. The Olympics set the high level of 2 ng/ml to ensure that if there was a “freak of nature” then there was plenty of room for error.

So, among elite athletes from around the world competing at the highest possible level, the HIGHEST reading recorded was 0.2 ng/ml. This means that Sherk had 60 times the levels of the athlete who had the HIGHEST recorded reading among Olympic calibre athletes.

The limit of 6 ng/ml was set after further studies were conducted that suggested that the naturally occuring levels of nandro could possibly exceed the 2ng/ml level in elite athletes taking supplements and undergoing intense training 1 in every 10,000 times. These studies indicated that the absolute maximum levels that nandro could possibly reach naturally would be 6 ng/ml and the level was raised to this to ensure that there would be NO false positives.

Now that the science behind the numbers is in front of you, does anyone still want to argue that Sherk was clean?

[quote comment="232082"][quote comment="231647"]Those who don’t like sherk because hes boring, all I have to say is your not a true mma fan. If you were, you would know how amazing of a wrestler sherk is. the only reason he dosn’t finish is because fighters are good at the fetile position. Why don’t you nag other fighters for not being able to transition to a better postion? You should love every aspect of the game.[/quote]

Your argumunt is exactly why we hate him. If I wanted to see a collegiate wrestler sit on top of some one for 25 minutes I would go to the local High School and watch wreslters. When I want to watch a good boxer or kick boxer I watch kick boxing or boxing. When we watch MMa we watch it because of guys like Penn, Ken Florian, MAtt Hughes, Anderson Silva. You want to argue great wrestlers in MMA, how about Dan Henderson, Randy Couture, John Fitch, Urijah Faber, MAtt Linland, who all in half the fight that Sherk have have master MMA (Mixed Martial ARts) not wrestling. The lay and pray means nothing if you can not advance your position. One day when there is a real scoring system you will realize top control should not always win the fight….[/quote]

See my previous comment below:
[quote comment="231668"]
I agree, Sherk is an excellent wrestler. Almost like a mini Matt Hughes. He had Florian grabbing onto the cage for dear life and Franca completely desperate.

Both of those fights went to decision because Franca and Florian just would not be broken. Lay ‘n Pray my ass, Sherk is always active on the ground trying to pass guard and get a dominant position. He must have mounted Franca half a dozen times, every time Sherk took him down he immediately went for side control. Both of Sherk’s title defenses were awesome and everybody here is complaining because he doesn’t knock out his opponents.

If you want to see knock outs watch boxing, or K-1, you obviously are not ready for what MMA has to offer. Those who say that Sherk is just a LnP fighter is not a true MMA fan.

You want LnP, see Jake O’Brian, now there you have a case![/quote]

To say that Sean Sherk is just a wrestler is stupid, he would not be in MMA otherwise. Look at his Sherdog records, he is 32-2-1, 11 of his wins come by descision, 13 by submission, and 8 by TKO. You call that L’nP? His only 2 losses are coming from GSP and Hughes, both of whom are much bigger than him.

Someone noted above, that 2 of the 4 losses that Karo Parisyan came from Sean Sherk. One of them was a TKO because Karo’s corner threw in the towel.

This is a dominant MMA fighter that uses his excellent wrestling background to dominate his opponents, which is why so far nobody has been able to even put him in danger (except GSP and Hughes). I have no doubt that he will be back on top very soon.

[quote comment="231833"]i’m not going to argue that BJ Penn has not proven himsel (early in his carrer) but the only reason BJ wont fight sherk is because he’s afraid. first off, stevenson is going to whip Penn’s ass.

AAANND Second most of you guys have NO idea what your talking about…….you say sherk doesn’t finish fights…he’s 31-2-1 having only lost to hughes and st.Pierre….he has 13 submissions and 8 knockouts….oohhhh and karo parisan is 18-4 and 2 of his losses were handed to him by sherk

Now BJ does have some big wins too…i’m not going to fight that but his last fight was pulver who is 3-3 in his last 6 not to mention Pen is 2-3 out of his last 5… AND..OOHHHH
you have to Hear this one right before he fought st.Pierre he had the biggest win of his career winning BYE DECISION to Renzo Gracie….that was renzo’s (6th) loss out of 7 fights…lol

SHERK’S the man and he will be champion again[/quote]

Dude. His only finishes at the UFC level are due to injury, a cut and a shoulder dislocation. Other than that its all decisions. Heck his only Pride apperance was a decision too.

[quote comment="231990"][quote post="4183"]I am beginnning to think that BJ will indeed fight Sean Sherk if/when he beats Joe Daddy for the LW belt. Think about it, BJ will be champ, Sherk will be #1 contender. If BJ is champ, he has to defend his belt against the #1 contender, unless he wants to play the “Tito Ortiz/I’m a pussy card” and refuse the fight.
BJ’s only other option would be to move up to WW and become champ at 2 weight classes. HOWEVER, at the current time, there is a champ, and a fight coming up for the interim championship. The winner of Hughes/GSP will then fight Serra whenever Serra is healthy to unify the belts, in I don’t know, perhaps June. That would mean that the next open slot for the WW belt to be defended would be after the Serra unification bout, in like October “08. By then, there should be no doubts about Jon Fitch being #1 contender, provided he doesn’t lose a fight between now and then. So BJ would have to wait until 2009 to try and hold both LW and WW gold. The only way around it is if right around the time of the Serra unification bout, BJ fought Fitch to see who will be #1 contender. BJ vs Fitch would be an amazing fight.
But honestly, I don’t want someone to hold two belt. It just means that they will not be defended as often as they should. But then again, which belt is currently being defended as often as it should? [/quote]
That’s funny , BJ moving up to WW to hold 2 belts. He doesn’t even have one yet, and his competition at LW is anything but a given. He is 0-2 at WW lately and Gsp is better than ever, not to mention Fitch and Kos. BJ has to be in shape at LW, to make weight, but at WW I don’t think he has the discipline to have the cardio to hang with the wealth of talent in that division.[/quote]

It’s also funny that you didn’t even read the VERY FIRST sentence of my original post. “I am beginnning to think that BJ will indeed fight Sean Sherk if/when he beats Joe Daddy for the LW belt.” There is an IF in there. I am not saying that it is a given that he will win. Will BJ be an overwhelming favorite to win, yes.

Competition in the LW division. Winner of Penn/Stevenson fights Sherk. After that, I don’t think anyone can claim themselves number one contender without going through Kenny Florian. I think Kenny’s next fight will be a #1 contender fight.

You say “He is 0-2 at WW lately and Gsp is better than ever”. GSP better than ever? The last two times I saw him fight, he go KO’d be Matt Serra and went to a decision with KOS. An elite fighter at the TOP of his game would finish KOS in the first round. You also say “not to mention Fitch and Kos.” Actually, read my post. I do mention Fitch. After Serra fights winner of GSP/Hughes, Fitch HAS to be in a #1 contender fight. I mention that in my original post. Fitch is my favorite WW, I would not forget about him.

As far as BJ winning the WW belt, I never said he would. I said that he would like to give it a try. And I’m not making that up. BJ himself has said it on several occasions.

There’s a lot of talk going around about different ways athelete have beaten testing for controlled substances. My problem with Sean Sherk has less to do with if he was juiced up or not. My problem with this little stugotz is that he’s taking his problems with the CSAC out on a fighter who sure as shit doesn’t deserve his ire.

Sherk’s case may have been mishandled by the CSAC, and certainly there is room for improvement in drug testing, but if this is their decision, and if the UFC is gonna strip him of his belt, then he should take his problems up with them and NOT the guys next in line who certainly deserve a shot at the title.

His behavior is unbecoming of a champion UFC fighter. If he is vindicated, THEN I’d like to see how many people are gonna say, “Oops, my bad, dude.” As a UFC fan, I never really had an opinion of him one way or the other, but he’s acting like a little bitch. Maybe he could be an assistant instructor at Joey Scrote-ola’s Academy for Bullshit Jagoffs.

I agree with Aaron on this one. Sherk may have finished some fights in the past, but now he seems like he’s afraid to anything other than lay on his opponent. Frankly, I don’t care if a fight goes to a decision as long as the fighters TRY to end the fight. Take guys like Clay Guida, Spencer Fisher, Frankie Edgar, Roger Huerta, Sam Stout, etc. These guys may have won (and lost) some fights by decision but no one can say that they weren’t looking to end their fights.

Why in the world would BJ be afraid to fight Sherk? He’s fought Hughes twice, GSP and Gomi all of whom can inflict a hell of a lot more damage than Sherk can.

I for one hope that if BJ beats Stevenson he does refuse to fight Sherk. A cheat like Sherk does not deserve a title shot immediately following suspension. He deserves to start at the bottom of the food chain. Maybe a fight against Andy Wang is in order.

who is sean sherk is my question?? he beat ken flo, and i think krn flo would beat him in a rematch. matt beat him and gsp handed him his ass in that fight. i was just watching the dvd when he fought ken flo and he is talking about how strong he was. no shit roid head. sean sherk never was a good champ in my eyes and doesn’t deserve to fight bj even if he loses to joe. whoever wins the belt, fuck fighting sherk, there are PLENTY of 155 lb contenders to fight. sean…. suck on your roid bottle

[quote post="4183"]Someone noted above, that 2 of the 4 losses that Karo Parisyan came from Sean Sherk. One of them was a TKO because Karo’s corner threw in the towel.[/quote]

Dude, are you serious??!!! KARO WAS A FUCKING TEENAGER BACK THEN!!

[quote comment="232221"][quote comment="231990"][quote post="4183"]

Competition in the LW division. Winner of Penn/Stevenson fights Sherk. After that, I don’t think anyone can claim themselves number one contender without going through Kenny Florian. I think Kenny’s next fight will be a #1 contender fight.

Fitch HAS to be in a #1 contender fight. I mention that in my original post. Fitch is my favorite WW, I would not forget about him.

[/quote]
I agree with you 100% on the Florian #1 contender match. I think that Florian should fight Edgar on the same card as the Penn/Stevenson vs. Sherk card. Maybe in April or May. Then in August or September, the winner of those 2 fights could meet.

I hope Fitch doesn’t get pushed aside for 3 or 4 months so Karo can get his rumored shot in mid to late summer. My guess is that Fitch will fight in the spring and clearly show that he is the #1 contender after the Hughes/GSP/Serra mess gets straightened out.

i think its funny that sherk says who is bj, and that he needs him more than he needs bj. ok well sherk the thing is bj is about to fight for a belt that you really never deserved. what an ass, guess roids will do that to you though.
back to the comment about who is bj? even if bj didnt have the belt he is still a way bigger draw than sherk, the guy couldnt even headline a ppv -thats gotta tell you something.
let sherk get his ass handed to him, then fire his ass.

UFC Quick Quote: Everyone calls Sean Sherk a ‘punk’

The only fuckin reason that Sherk is running his mouth is because he knows he’s got a media advantage, and by saying shit, it will fire up Penn (and the fans), and then a title shot will likely ensue. It’s the oldest trick in the book, and Sherk seems to think that poeple are stupid. You know, we caught on, but Joe Silva and the UFC staff won’t. Dana will say “OH, wow, Sean is really talking smack, give him a title shot!” And the funny thing is, it’ll probably work.

i see alot of posts saying that b.j hasnt won a belt yet. i may be mistaken, but didnt he win the ww belt when he beat matt hughes the 1rst time they fought. if so and he goes on to beat stevenson, he would have won titles in two different weight classes in the ufc. i think randy is the only other to do so. i know hendo did it as well, but that was in pride. maybee vitor? my memory is a little bad.

Fitch should fight Karo on the same night that Serra fights the winner of Gsp/Hughes. So we will know who is in the next title match.

sherk is a roiding burch

when he won the belt against ken-flo he said he couldn’t think of a better way 2 win the belt. then buy going 2 the jugdes. u think people wanted 2 see u lay on top of another guy for 25 minutes. 1 better way 2 win the belt is by ending the fight b4 time runs out. has he end a fight since he fought benji like 5 years ago? and what is benji doing now? who knows he is a nobody! so i hope B.J. wins so sherk ever gets a title shout again! BOYCOTT SHERK!!!!!!!

[quote comment="231663"]that punk bitch bj is gonna get his ass fuckin pwned against sherk and all of you will finally see that he isnt that good and that sherk is the best 155 in the world. finally i wont have to hear about bj penn and people will realize that he really isnt that good and sherk is a bad mother fucker.this fight will end after the 2nd round once fat boy runs out of cardio and heart like always and sherk is still 100%.and if anyone thinks that his cardio comes from roids just watch his all acess,dudu is a machine. all this may not happen if fatboy cant beat stevenson,which i really wouldnt doubt it if he dosent it[/quote]
Do yourself a favour and learn about the sport mugshot

Sean Sherk off roids= The new 95lb straw-weight champion of the world ha ha

[quote comment="232604"]Sean Sherk off roids= The new 95lb straw-weight champion of the world ha ha[/quote]

Naw, he’d go back up to 170 and get crushed again. His roids (or supplements) helped him get to 155 w/o losing his strength. He was already pretty cut for a 170-lb. fighter.

[quote comment="232179"][quote comment="232082"][quote comment="231647"]

To say that Sean Sherk is just a wrestler is stupid, he would not be in MMA otherwise. Look at his Sherdog records, he is 32-2-1, 11 of his wins come by descision, 13 by submission, and 8 by TKO. You call that L’nP? His only 2 losses are coming from GSP and Hughes, both of whom are much bigger than him.

Someone noted above, that 2 of the 4 losses that Karo Parisyan came from Sean Sherk. One of them was a TKO because Karo’s corner threw in the towel.

This is a dominant MMA fighter that uses his excellent wrestling background to dominate his opponents, which is why so far nobody has been able to even put him in danger (except GSP and Hughes). I have no doubt that he will be back on top very soon.[/quote]

Go back and look at his sherdog record. When where his last submission and ko against legitimate competition. KAro in 2001. He is a wrestler. He submits and knocks out b level fighters and nothing else. Hell he does not even submitt UFC B level fighters, he is at best knocking out and submiting C level talent. He has done nothing but unanimous in the UFC or against experinced A level fighters if you want to believe that tko’ing John Alexander, Claudio Fontinorre, or Mart Armanadrez are legitmate fighters and a level competition and that makes Sherk a submission and KP specialst, keep living in the dark. HE does nothing against UFC level talent and the last time he did anything against UFC level talent was in 2001. So like I said earlier he is nothing but a lay and pray wreslter. Hell if I start fighting the 14 year olds on my block I could be a knock out specialst to. When he submits or KO’s some real talent then I will agree with you. I wish people would look at the big picture instead of what is directly in front of them. When will people realize submitting Roscoe Cousin Fucker(pardon my french) in some 2 bit mma organization is not the same ting as submitting anyone on the UFC or Pride Level.

[quote comment="232602"][quote comment="231663"]that punk bitch bj is gonna get his ass fuckin pwned against sherk and all of you will finally see that he isnt that good and that sherk is the best 155 in the world. finally i wont have to hear about bj penn and people will realize that he really isnt that good and sherk is a bad mother fucker.this fight will end after the 2nd round once fat boy runs out of cardio and heart like always and sherk is still 100%.and if anyone thinks that his cardio comes from roids just watch his all acess,dudu is a machine. all this may not happen if fatboy cant beat stevenson,which i really wouldnt doubt it if he dosent it[/quote]
Do yourself a favour and learn about the sport mugshot [/quote]

Do yo mean the BJ Penn that cut through Matt Hughes once, or went 3 rounds with Hughes wiht a broken rib, or the BJ Penn that beat the Piss out of GSP face for 3 rounds? The same 2 fighters who owned and pawned Sean Shrek.

John Thanks for the comments…I agree as well, they have to some how combine the boxing, wrestling, and BJJ scoring systems. I wold not even care if a guy got a few points for a clean drag down, but if this guy gets the takedown and sits on top of fighter while the bottom fighter throws 8 or 9 submissions, that has to count for more offense then the top fighter just defending the submission. It really is said that people call guys like Sherk and Koscheck MMA fighters. They are wrestlers. They are great wrestlers at that but not great mma fighters. They are great at top control, hey I give Koscheck more credit for trying to improve his stand up, hell he stood up with GSP when things got tuff he tried to wrestle and still came up short. Why cuz he is a wrestler, not a complete mix ,artial artist like GSP. Yeah Sherk has a bunch of subs and kos but against nobodies. He could not a thing but sit on top of Nick Diaz(who I absolutely love) but is probably not the most complete fighter, KEnny Florian,or HErmes FRanka. Why because he could do nothing to them once it hit the ground but throw a hammer fist or 2 and keep his hands on their chest so he would not get submitted. WOW that is amazing, wrestling, not MMA. I hope a scoring system is develped and accepted soon by the UFC. The days of boxing judges scoring MMA has to end. Yeah the lay and pray may get u the win but it also show how incomplete a fighter is intaking that road.

[quote comment="231550"]can we just throw sherk in WEC? he isnt exciting to watch at all. he is not UFC matetial.[/quote]
You’re right, put him in some wrestling league where steriod use is encouraged. And the acting/talking shit part he is already good at.

[quote post="4183"]You’re right, put him in some wrestling league where steriod use is encouraged. And the acting/talking shit part he is already good at.[/quote]

Yeah, but there’s a place for crap like that, and it’s called “World Wrestling Entertainment.”

Tonight on TNA IMPACT

Sean “The Muscle Shark” SHREK

vs.

Kurt Angel

vs.

Sting

Triple Threat Heavy WEight Champion of the World MAtch

Only one problem TNA’s Shark Boy is upset with Sherk’s nickname. So before Sherk can fight for the HW Championship he has to have this match….

Sean “The Muscle Shark” Sherk

vs.

Shark Boy

In the winner keeps the SHARK Contest…

Live tonight 12/12/07

[quote comment="231424"]Someone sounds a little upset…maybe it’s the roid rage.[/quote]
bj should be fighting kenny!

bj vs ken flo

[quote comment="231663"]that punk bitch bj is gonna get his ass fuckin pwned against sherk and all of you will finally see that he isnt that good and that sherk is the best 155 in the world. finally i wont have to hear about bj penn and people will realize that he really isnt that good and sherk is a bad mother fucker.this fight will end after the 2nd round once fat boy runs out of cardio and heart like always and sherk is still 100%.and if anyone thinks that his cardio comes from roids just watch his all acess,dudu is a machine. all this may not happen if fatboy cant beat stevenson,which i really wouldnt doubt it if he dosent it[/quote]

LOL. Steroids is not something you take, then sit on your ass while it takes effect. Steroids is exactly what someone takes to make them train like a maniac.

one fight in a couple years? oh yeah becuase sherk fights SOOOOOO MUCH i can’t even keep up with all his fights and title defenses he’s put on for us since october 2006.

[quote comment="232166"]To all of you out there that are saying that Sherk could have naturally tested positive for 12 ng/ml of Nandrolone, consider this:

The Olympics have set a limit of 2 nanograms per ml of urine as the limit after which a test for nandro will be positive. This limit was based on testing done at the Nagano olympics where the HIGHEST level of nandro recorded was 0.2 ng/ml. The Olympics set the high level of 2 ng/ml to ensure that if there was a “freak of nature” then there was plenty of room for error.

So, among elite athletes from around the world competing at the highest possible level, the HIGHEST reading recorded was 0.2 ng/ml. This means that Sherk had 60 times the levels of the athlete who had the HIGHEST recorded reading among Olympic calibre athletes.

The limit of 6 ng/ml was set after further studies were conducted that suggested that the naturally occuring levels of nandro could possibly exceed the 2ng/ml level in elite athletes taking supplements and undergoing intense training 1 in every 10,000 times. These studies indicated that the absolute maximum levels that nandro could possibly reach naturally would be 6 ng/ml and the level was raised to this to ensure that there would be NO false positives.

Now that the science behind the numbers is in front of you, does anyone still want to argue that Sherk was clean?[/quote]
I never thought he was, but thanks for the info and education.

bj by incredible takedown defense

[quote comment="233908"]bj by incredible takedown defense[/quote]
You know what you bring up a good point about take down defense.
Look at Hughes and Pierre, it was harder for Hughes to get Penn down then it was in GSP/Hughes I.
And then look at GSP’s take downs, he’s been able to take down anybody he wants, but who’s given him the most trouble? Penn. GSP took Sherk down in a violent football style tackle, no problem, took Hughes down the one time he tried(Hughes/GSP I), even though Hughes was able to get right back up. He even took Kos down with little to no resistance, but remember when he fought Penn, he had to press him up agaisnt the cage & work at it for like a solid minute, min and a half to get it, and in the 1st round he couldn’t even get it.
Sherk and stevenson alike, had better be working on there stand up, cuz if Penn wants, that’s where the fight is gona be.