forest grifen wins hands down!!!!

Said it in the other forum and i’ll say it again. I love both these guys, but ones gotta think Forrest ain’t ready for Rampage yet.

Hey Mania,

This is off the subject, but I just heard on the News in Hawaii that Robbie Lawler will not face Kala “Kolohe” Hose on December 15, 2007 at the ICON event in Honolulu. They reported that he sustained an injury during training. This id the second time that the fight will be postponed.

So they will coach the 185rs?? I wonder when we will see 2 divisions in 1 season.

I’m pullin for Forrest. Something about Rampage just annoys me.

[quote comment="230204"]Said it in the other forum and i’ll say it again. I love both these guys, but ones gotta think Forrest ain’t ready for Rampage yet.[/quote]

I didn’t think he was ready for Shogun either…we know how that turned out…

[quote comment="230222"][quote comment="230204"]Said it in the other forum and i’ll say it again. I love both these guys, but ones gotta think Forrest ain’t ready for Rampage yet.[/quote]

I didn’t think he was ready for Shogun either…we know how that turned out…[/quote]

The difference is Rampage is proven in the Octagon and Shogun was not.

[quote comment="230222"][quote comment="230204"]Said it in the other forum and i’ll say it again. I love both these guys, but ones gotta think Forrest ain’t ready for Rampage yet.[/quote]

I didn’t think he was ready for Shogun either…we know how that turned out…[/quote]
Niether did I, and if it was Rampage’s debut I might think otherwise, but Rampage has already proved he can transition to the UFC, where many Pride fighters are haveing trouble, for whatever the reason.

[quote comment="230225"][quote comment="230222"][quote comment="230204"]Said it in the other forum and i’ll say it again. I love both these guys, but ones gotta think Forrest ain’t ready for Rampage yet.[/quote]

I didn’t think he was ready for Shogun either…we know how that turned out…[/quote]

The difference is Rampage is proven in the Octagon and Shogun was not.[/quote]
dang, beat me to it, great minds think alike.
I still think if Shogun had transitioned successfully and fought like he did in pride, he would have beat Forrest, however, he couldnt pull off the transition. Rampage however, was not affected whatsoever, and fights the same as he does in Pride, UFC, or whereever, I don’t think Forrest can handle you’r typical Rampage.

Forrest is going to smack Rampage (just like when I said he would smack shogun).

This is going to be the funniest TUF ever!

[quote comment="230225"][quote comment="230222"][quote comment="230204"]Said it in the other forum and i’ll say it again. I love both these guys, but ones gotta think Forrest ain’t ready for Rampage yet.[/quote]

I didn’t think he was ready for Shogun either…we know how that turned out…[/quote]

The difference is Rampage is proven in the Octagon and Shogun was not.[/quote]

True dat…I guess my point is there are no more sure bets in this game…

if Rampage goes there with Juanito and his team i have to give the edge to Rampage’s team. But if anyone has proven me and a lot of other people wrong in their fights previously it was definitely Forrest. I like both these guys but i gotta give theedge to Rampage.

Holy crap has Forrest come a long way since TUF season 1. Good for you Forrest. Living proof that hard work, perseverence, hard work and the desire to be the best goes along way.

Forrest has coem a long way. I wouldnt be surprised if he has the belt around his waist after this bout.

[quote comment="230243"]Holy crap has Forrest come a long way since TUF season 1. Good for you Forrest. Living proof that hard work, perseverence, hard work and the desire to be the best goes along way.[/quote]
Yeah serious, I was just thinkin, first TUF contestant to then become the coach. The student has become the master. Most improved – Forrest Griffen.

i think if forrest stays in the outside and picks his shots he will pick frustrate rampage and cause him to come out wild and forrest will win, but, if forrest gets in close with him rampage is going to knock him out rampage has some damn power in the close range look what happened to liddell and eastman, like i said if griffin does what he did with ramirez in ireland and controls the pace and stays in the outside without overcomitting to the exchange we will have a new world champion well deserved and very likeable Forest Griffin, also if rampage takews himj down forrest has a great guard i really dont see this fight going to distance or submission somebody is geting tko

both guys are very likeable and appealing, this tuf should be the best yet although it is hard to beat the original, this show has the potential to be the 2nd best just by the coaches, imagine if there is some great talent in the midleweight class, DAMMMMNN

Rampage will beat Forrest, no doubt in my mind.

So we have to wait 1 year for Rampage to fight?

That is ridiculous…..just like Serra, another champ not fighting for 1 year from his title win, just plain stupid

this sucks another year…

Its ok. You will be seeing anderson silva soon. bj, sherk,cro cop, gonzaga, edgar, guillard, arlovski, vera,franklin, houston alexander, liddell, fitch, henderson, as well as a barage of other fighters that will entertain, so i dont know if we will miss rampage that much. There are some grrrreat fights coming up. Besides, it builds alot of anticipation for rampage, griffin. Besides, forrest has earned the right to see if he is ready to be champion.

[quote comment="230241"][quote comment="230225"][quote comment="230222"][quote comment="230204"]Said it in the other forum and i’ll say it again. I love both these guys, but ones gotta think Forrest ain’t ready for Rampage yet.[/quote]

I didn’t think he was ready for Shogun either…we know how that turned out…[/quote]

The difference is Rampage is proven in the Octagon and Shogun was not.[/quote]

True dat…I guess my point is there are no more sure bets in this game…[/quote]

Shogun wasnt even close to 50% for that fight, he had a messed up knee, which he had to get surgery for. If you shogun would have been close to 100% he would of beat Forrest. Your talking about Shogun here, this guy has beat very good fighters, he just wasnt himself that night, on top of that, look at his age,hes a young kid, he is the future of this MMA world, and he will another shot, Rampage wants him, so we’ll see.

so rampage doesn’t defend his title for another year??? i like rampage but this is bullshit. the ufc is pampering the hell out of him. i think he should had to defend, of at least fight someone before the new tuf. plus rampage has ALWAYS said he hates training so i don’t know how good of a COACH will be

[quote comment="230204"]Said it in the other forum and i’ll say it again. I love both these guys, but ones gotta think Forrest ain’t ready for Rampage yet.[/quote]

He also wasn’t ready for Shogun, but we all know what happened! He is as ready as hel ever be, but personally i still believe rampage wins by brutal ground and pound.

This is an absolute joke. Yet another belt put on hold for some meaningless PR exercise. Rampage will walk through Griffin, who doesn’t deserve a shot, but is getting one because he’s a fun go lucky guy, that the crowd love.

It’s decisions like this that are holding back the sport, I mean, name one, ONE other sport where a reality TV show affects it’s champions.

Forrest will lose. People are impressed with Forrest because he beat Shogun, who has so much name recognition and is considered one of the best LHWs in the world. All I can say at this point is that you are blind if you are impressed by that fight. But of course almost every MMA fan is- which makes me embarrassed to be one myself. Mark my words: Forrest Griffin will lose.

Forrest better hope he gets another staph infection.

[quote comment="230269"][quote comment="230241"][quote comment="230225"][quote comment="230222"][quote comment="230204"]Said it in the other forum and i’ll say it again. I love both these guys, but ones gotta think Forrest ain’t ready for Rampage yet.[/quote]

I didn’t think he was ready for Shogun either…we know how that turned out…[/quote]

The difference is Rampage is proven in the Octagon and Shogun was not.[/quote]

True dat…I guess my point is there are no more sure bets in this game…[/quote]

Shogun wasnt even close to 50% for that fight, he had a messed up knee, which he had to get surgery for. If you shogun would have been close to 100% he would of beat Forrest. Your talking about Shogun here, this guy has beat very good fighters, he just wasnt himself that night, on top of that, look at his age,hes a young kid, he is the future of this MMA world, and he will another shot, Rampage wants him, so we’ll see.[/quote]

I hate it when people make excuses for a loss. If Shogun’s injury was so bad he should have dropped out of the fight. He obviously didn’t see it as a factor, and he didn’t use that as an excuse anyway. Forrest completely dominated him in that fight.

I do agree with your second point though, Shogun will become a force in the UFC.

for my opinion rampage is right now very coachable,but not a good coach in my opinion,

but we’ll see

so are they going to fight in the LHW title soon>?

Sucks we have to wait to see Rampage…. but this will clearly be prob the most entertaining TUF to watch out of all of them. Due to Forrest’s and Rampage’s humor.

OUGHT to be a great season. It will be interesting to see how Rampage coaches since he HATES to train. Hey MMAMANIA, a great contest for us. How tricked out will Rampage’s TUF vehicle be?

TUF sucks, they better change things up a lot to make it better. Having Rampage and Forrest as coaches will help, but the format needs to change.

Off topic question, guys. If a fighter makes $4,000 for a fight, how much is his take home after taxes, paying a cornerman, trainers etc. I need some education here. They must incurr huge debts and expenses.

GOOD JOB dana white you lined up the top opponent for rampape ater the next tuff show….i said it first one this blog,,,,,,,,FORREST GRIFFEN NEXT LIGHTWEIGHT CHAMPION OF THE UFC!

[quote comment="230200"]forest griffin wins hands down!!!![/quote]
HAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.. NO

[quote comment="230276"]so rampage doesn’t defend his title for another year??? i like rampage but this is bullshit. the ufc is pampering the hell out of him. i think he should had to defend, of at least fight someone before the new tuf. plus rampage has ALWAYS said he hates training so i don’t know how good of a COACH will be[/quote]
I dont know if you know or not but he has a severely shattered right hand that he beat the shit out of Hendo with.. and because he took the fight injured and won they are giving him time to heal.. they did the same thing with Franklin when he shattered his hand. so its not just because of TUF.

Season 7 will be the most entertaining and funny season by far, as far as the coaches are concerned. I can just imagine it now… I really like Rampage, but they keep making him fight fighters that I like even more. Last it was Henderson, and now Forrest. In the past, I have always rooted for Rampage. Now this will be the 2nd fight in a row that I’ll be rooting against him. Forrest is going to be a BIG TIME underdog for that fight. AND what is up with tying up the belt again??? I know that Rampage’s hand is injured and Forrest shoulder, but I’m think they’d be better way before the time they start training for thier fight. TUF 7 won’t air until April. So Forrest/Rampage won’t be until July most likely. The last time the LHW belt was defended was the beginning of September. That will be 10 months between fights. EXACTLY what we don’t want to happen from TUF – puttin the division on hold…

[quote comment="230529"]Season 7 will be the most entertaining and funny season by far, as far as the coaches are concerned. I can just imagine it now… I really like Rampage, but they keep making him fight fighters that I like even more. Last it was Henderson, and now Forrest. In the past, I have always rooted for Rampage. Now this will be the 2nd fight in a row that I’ll be rooting against him. Forrest is going to be a BIG TIME underdog for that fight. AND what is up with tying up the belt again??? I know that Rampage’s hand is injured and Forrest shoulder, but I’m think they’d be better way before the time they start training for thier fight. TUF 7 won’t air until April. So Forrest/Rampage won’t be until July most likely. The last time the LHW belt was defended was the beginning of September. That will be 10 months between fights. EXACTLY what we don’t want to happen from TUF – puttin the division on hold…[/quote]

I hear ya. Dana is catering to the casual fans, but is frustrating hardcore fans in doing so. But he knows we won’t stop watching the UFC so he’s making a good business decision lol.

This is a great decision… two charasmatic coaches. Plus, both are coming off injuries, so they need time to heal anyway. Hopefully, neither will re-aggravate their injury.

[quote comment="230529"]Season 7 will be the most entertaining and funny season by far, as far as the coaches are concerned. I can just imagine it now… I really like Rampage, but they keep making him fight fighters that I like even more. Last it was Henderson, and now Forrest. In the past, I have always rooted for Rampage. Now this will be the 2nd fight in a row that I’ll be rooting against him. Forrest is going to be a BIG TIME underdog for that fight. AND what is up with tying up the belt again??? I know that Rampage’s hand is injured and Forrest shoulder, but I’m think they’d be better way before the time they start training for thier fight. TUF 7 won’t air until April. So Forrest/Rampage won’t be until July most likely. The last time the LHW belt was defended was the beginning of September. That will be 10 months between fights. EXACTLY what we don’t want to happen from TUF – puttin the division on hold…[/quote]
Hey ViolentMike…. gotta hand it to your boy Mayweather. He fought an outstanding fight… I Won’t give you any dancing w/ the stars crap.

rampage as a coach thats gonna be absolutely brilliant

Lets be honest about Forrest Griffin. He is a great guy. Strong working, tough, and genuine fighter. He beat shogun, so I wont take anything away from him, but come on? Was that really Shogun we saw in the cage? Shogun is known for his conditioning, being able to keep a high pace. Shogun’s conditioning was horrible that night, the worst I have ever seen it by far, and Shogun was still winning the 1st two rounds. I dont want to take anything away from Forrest, but a more conditioned shogun would have won that fight!

Still Forrest is tough as nails and he has a hell of a heart. He deserves a title shot but I really dont see Rampage loosing to him. Rampage in the UFC is the best Rampage we have ever seen. He just went to War wit Henderson for 25 minutes. U aint gonna get a tougher opponent than Henderson. Hendo has better wrestling than Forrest and much more KO power than forrest, and Rampage didnt loose a single round. Thats impressive. Defending you title is a very tough thing to do, and Rampage passed with flying colors against Hendo. Forrest is always well conditioned, but he has never fought against a well conditioned top level opponent. Shogun is the cream of the crop but he was in terrible conditioning. I also believe that Forrest doesnt have much KO power. Forrest must have punched Stephan Bonner about a thousand times over the span of 2 fights and never came close to dropping Bonner. When Rampage hits you he KO’s you, with the exception of Hendo who’s chin is unexplainably strong. Wrestling advantage goes to Rampage by far. He has taken down the best in the world, Liddell, Henderson, Arona, Lindland and he will be able to takedown Forrest easily. Lets no forget Rampage is the King of SLAMS. He hasnt slammed anyone yet, but he was looking for one against Hendo. Not many people have fight ending slams in there arsenal, and Rampage has the most devestating ones in the game.

U have to respect Forrest, he is a great fighter with the heart of a champion, but lets be honest with ourselves, at this point Rampage is the best in the world. With Juanito in his corner I really dont see any possible ways for Rampage to loose to Forrest, at least not at this point in time.

[quote comment="230556"][quote comment="230529"]Season 7 will be the most entertaining and funny season by far, as far as the coaches are concerned. I can just imagine it now… I really like Rampage, but they keep making him fight fighters that I like even more. Last it was Henderson, and now Forrest. In the past, I have always rooted for Rampage. Now this will be the 2nd fight in a row that I’ll be rooting against him. Forrest is going to be a BIG TIME underdog for that fight. AND what is up with tying up the belt again??? I know that Rampage’s hand is injured and Forrest shoulder, but I’m think they’d be better way before the time they start training for thier fight. TUF 7 won’t air until April. So Forrest/Rampage won’t be until July most likely. The last time the LHW belt was defended was the beginning of September. That will be 10 months between fights. EXACTLY what we don’t want to happen from TUF – puttin the division on hold…[/quote]
Hey ViolentMike…. gotta hand it to your boy Mayweather. He fought an outstanding fight… I Won’t give you any dancing w/ the stars crap.[/quote]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!! I was trying to avoid finding out who won the fight, and was successful until now…. I WILL NEVER FORGIVE YOU!!!!! LOL. J/K. Actually you’re forgiven. I should have seen the fight by now, but I would never pay for a non-live PPV the next day. I was a Christmas Party, so I had to record the TUF finale and watch it yesterday morning. That was a first, AND LAST! You have no idea how bad I wanted to leave that Christmas party…

I was thinking that HBO will be replaying it for free next Saturday and I was going to try and make it until then without watching it. Although, I knew it would be next to impossible. I found a non-English version of the fight on YouTube, but it doesn’t play.

[quote comment="230248"][quote comment="230243"]Holy crap has Forrest come a long way since TUF season 1. Good for you Forrest. Living proof that hard work, perseverence, hard work and the desire to be the best goes along way.[/quote]
Yeah serious, I was just thinkin, first TUF contestant to then become the coach. The student has become the master. Most improved – Forrest Griffen.[/quote]

Actually, Matt Serra is the first contestant to become a coach on another season.

The only problem I have is it will probably be June before we see this fight besides that it should be cool.

so is this gonna hold up the LHW class belt.. even longer

Jardine got robbed!!! He destroyed Griffen and beat Chuck….

All of you up and coming comedians get ready. There should be plenty of soundbites between these two guys to fill an entire comedy career.

” Russ
Dec 10th, 2007 at 2:39 pm Quote this comment
Jardine got robbed!!! He destroyed Griffen and beat Chuck…. ”

VERY VERY TRUE RUSS BUT YOU FORGOT ONE LITTLE THING. JARDINE HAS LESS PERSONALITY THAN LUKE CUMMO AND HE LOOKS LIKE SKELATOR. RATINGS WOULD ONLY GO FURTHER DOWN WITH JARDINE AS A COACH AND NO ONE WANTS TO SEE RAMPAGE RAVAGE JARDINE IT WONT GET AS MANY PPV BUYS.

[quote comment="230602"]Lets be honest about Forrest Griffin. He is a great guy. Strong working, tough, and genuine fighter. He beat shogun, so I wont take anything away from him, but come on? Was that really Shogun we saw in the cage? Shogun is known for his conditioning, being able to keep a high pace. Shogun’s conditioning was horrible that night, the worst I have ever seen it by far, and Shogun was still winning the 1st two rounds. I dont want to take anything away from Forrest, but a more conditioned shogun would have won that fight!

Still Forrest is tough as nails and he has a hell of a heart. He deserves a title shot but I really dont see Rampage loosing to him. Rampage in the UFC is the best Rampage we have ever seen. He just went to War wit Henderson for 25 minutes. U aint gonna get a tougher opponent than Henderson. Hendo has better wrestling than Forrest and much more KO power than forrest, and Rampage didnt loose a single round. Thats impressive. Defending you title is a very tough thing to do, and Rampage passed with flying colors against Hendo. Forrest is always well conditioned, but he has never fought against a well conditioned top level opponent. Shogun is the cream of the crop but he was in terrible conditioning. I also believe that Forrest doesnt have much KO power. Forrest must have punched Stephan Bonner about a thousand times over the span of 2 fights and never came close to dropping Bonner. When Rampage hits you he KO’s you, with the exception of Hendo who’s chin is unexplainably strong. Wrestling advantage goes to Rampage by far. He has taken down the best in the world, Liddell, Henderson, Arona, Lindland and he will be able to takedown Forrest easily. Lets no forget Rampage is the King of SLAMS. He hasnt slammed anyone yet, but he was looking for one against Hendo. Not many people have fight ending slams in there arsenal, and Rampage has the most devestating ones in the game.

U have to respect Forrest, he is a great fighter with the heart of a champion, but lets be honest with ourselves, at this point Rampage is the best in the world. With Juanito in his corner I really dont see any possible ways for Rampage to loose to Forrest, at least not at this point in time.[/quote]
rampage the best in the world……lol cmon man he had a total of three fights in the ufc,now hes injured and wont defend his title for 10 months or longer,dont get me wrong but you will find out that any given day you gotta go with the matchups man dont just go by the name,thats why i say forrest will beat rampage just like shogon beat rampage,ohh i like rampage as a fighter but i dont think he matches well against griffin,griffin rampage in july? then i believe the rest is wide open,shogon,jardine,ortiz.

What are the chances this fight…whenever it happens (or if it happens considering how things have been going lately in the UFC)…goes to the ground? Hmmm…zero to none! Bombs away!!

[quote post="4162"]Shogun’s conditioning was horrible that night, the worst I have ever seen it by far, and Shogun was still winning the 1st two rounds. I dont want to take anything away from Forrest, but a more conditioned shogun would have won that fight![/quote]

John, I gotta admit, that this is one of the few times I strongly disagree with you. There is NO WAY that Shogun won rounds 1 and 2 against Forrest – no way! Thinking back to the fight, I can’t remember Shogun winning any round. He got dominated, 100% by Forrest Griffin. It just goes to show that hard work pays off, and laziness doesn’t – especially in the fight game.

BTW, congrats John, I just noticed that you are now up to the #2 spot! I’m gunna have to keep an eye on you…. lol

[quote comment="230768"]What are the chances this fight…whenever it happens (or if it happens considering how things have been going lately in the UFC)…goes to the ground? Hmmm…zero to none! Bombs away!![/quote]

Even if Forrest wanted to, he wouldn’t be able to take Rampage down. However, if at any point during the fight, Rampage feels the need to take the fight to the ground, he’ll pick Forrest up and drop him on his head. Well, not quite, but he will get the take down on Forrest if he wants to.

[quote post="4162"]then i believe the rest is wide open,shogon,jardine,ortiz.[/quote]

Shogun: Yeah. He’s young (younger than GSP), so he should be a force in the future.

Jardine: He’s in there. If it wasn’t for his loss to Houston (maybe he just had a bad night, everybody has them), he’d probably be consensus number 1.

Ortiz: LOL

[quote comment="230258"]So we have to wait 1 year for Rampage to fight?

That is ridiculous…..just like Serra, another champ not fighting for 1 year from his title win, just plain stupid[/quote]

i completely agree, maybe while we wait dana can get off his high horse and go get fedor, frank shamrock, matt lindland, well since hes “dana” constantly telling us hes getting the best fighters from all around, maybe he can actually do it now

[quote comment="230618"][quote comment="230248"][quote comment="230243"]Holy crap has Forrest come a long way since TUF season 1. Good for you Forrest. Living proof that hard work, perseverence, hard work and the desire to be the best goes along way.[/quote]
Yeah serious, I was just thinkin, first TUF contestant to then become the coach. The student has become the master. Most improved – Forrest Griffen.[/quote]

Actually, Matt Serra is the first contestant to become a coach on another season.[/quote]
Alright alright TECHNIQUALLY your right, but Serra has already been in the UFC for years, he did not originate on the show.

[quote comment="230606"][quote comment="230556"][quote comment="230529"]Season 7 will be the most entertaining and funny season by far, as far as the coaches are concerned. I can just imagine it now… I really like Rampage, but they keep making him fight fighters that I like even more. Last it was Henderson, and now Forrest. In the past, I have always rooted for Rampage. Now this will be the 2nd fight in a row that I’ll be rooting against him. Forrest is going to be a BIG TIME underdog for that fight. AND what is up with tying up the belt again??? I know that Rampage’s hand is injured and Forrest shoulder, but I’m think they’d be better way before the time they start training for thier fight. TUF 7 won’t air until April. So Forrest/Rampage won’t be until July most likely. The last time the LHW belt was defended was the beginning of September. That will be 10 months between fights. EXACTLY what we don’t want to happen from TUF – puttin the division on hold…[/quote]
Hey ViolentMike…. gotta hand it to your boy Mayweather. He fought an outstanding fight… I Won’t give you any dancing w/ the stars crap.[/quote]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!! I was trying to avoid finding out who won the fight, and was successful until now…. I WILL NEVER FORGIVE YOU!!!!! LOL. J/K. Actually you’re forgiven. I should have seen the fight by now, but I would never pay for a non-live PPV the next day. I was a Christmas Party, so I had to record the TUF finale and watch it yesterday morning. That was a first, AND LAST! You have no idea how bad I wanted to leave that Christmas party…

I was thinking that HBO will be replaying it for free next Saturday and I was going to try and make it until then without watching it. Although, I knew it would be next to impossible. I found a non-English version of the fight on YouTube, but it doesn’t play.[/quote]
God.. that’s happened to me so many times…now I’m the guy with the big mouth, my apologies… but damn, did he look good.

[quote comment="230528"][quote comment="230276"]so rampage doesn’t defend his title for another year??? i like rampage but this is bullshit. the ufc is pampering the hell out of him. i think he should had to defend, of at least fight someone before the new tuf. plus rampage has ALWAYS said he hates training so i don’t know how good of a COACH will be[/quote]
I dont know if you know or not but he has a severely shattered right hand that he beat the shit out of Hendo with.. and because he took the fight injured and won they are giving him time to heal.. they did the same thing with Franklin when he shattered his hand. so its not just because of TUF.[/quote]

well it happened this year with matt serra,and he didn’t beat the shit out of henderson, he won a decision

[quote comment="230895"][quote comment="230618"][quote comment="230248"][quote comment="230243"]Holy crap has Forrest come a long way since TUF season 1. Good for you Forrest. Living proof that hard work, perseverence, hard work and the desire to be the best goes along way.[/quote]
Yeah serious, I was just thinkin, first TUF contestant to then become the coach. The student has become the master. Most improved – Forrest Griffen.[/quote]

Actually, Matt Serra is the first contestant to become a coach on another season.[/quote]
Alright alright TECHNIQUALLY your right, but Serra has already been in the UFC for years, he did not originate on the show.[/quote]

True that!!

The lord giveith and the lord takeith away…

Yep i think its gonna be an awsome show and a fight worth waiting for but to put the most marquee weight on hold for this long sucks, big time.

Suppose it gives the contenders some time to string a couple of wins together because the division has no clear challengers.

Hopefully Wandi, Ortiz, Jardine or whoever can grab the weight class by the balls.

The problem I have with this is mostly down to the state the division’s in right now. You’ve got loads of new imports and some rising stars in there with hardly anyone being more than two fights removed from a loss – in such a situation it’s hard to make a set-in-stone judgement that anyone’s the #1 contender and Griffin beating an injured Shogun doesn’t really raise him above the mire for me
I’d have preferred they put Rampage on and maybe another coach from a different weight class. This would’ve A) allowed us to focus on the fact that the show’s about finding new talent, not a half-arsed way to hype a title fight and B) allowed the UFC to sort out the division a bit and have a cast-iron #1 contender in place for when it’s over

I’ll admit to liking both fighters but have to say that Griffin is getting the sport handed to him on a silver platter and hasn’t yet shown he can take full advantage of it. I don’t doubt that he is a solid fighter with some charm outside the ring, but I wouldn’t place him in the category of greats just yet. The guy looses to Jardine, then Jardine beats Lidell, so why not give Jardine the title shot? I don’t doubt that Griffin did a nice job with the win over Rua, but can you name a Pride Fighter that has a decent chance in the UFC, aside from Jackson? It’s been a relative bust for them thus far.
I know it is a time for a changing of the guard, but the UFC seems to be looking to create its own talent through TUF and the like, rather than it actually being a product of the MMA system. Thus far no one from the show has shown they have what it takes to be champion material for any appreciable amount of time.

Is it because he’s black that you guys want to see him lose, or is it because he arrogant? What ever the reason is you have to give it to him he has a better defense, greater ground and pound, excellent wrestling skills, and he’s the first to unify the titles. i bet forrest wouldn’t last a year in pride non the less last one minute with lidell or silvia so how in the hell would he last against the champ? imposible, however he will get his six figured contract that he was promised, but it my cost him as rampage would like to say, a ass whoppin. So who does he have to beat to be called the best or should i say how long must he have his title reign because after a while some of you will be saying that your tried of seeing rampage holding the belt. Just remember idon’t care what stats on paper say middle weight, light weight, heavy weight champs in what other class other than light heavy weight has unifed titles? nun, so therefore #1 right now would have to be rampage. I really want to see him and wandalei one more time because he might be the only real comp. for the champ.

[quote post="4162"]I’m pullin for Forrest. Something about Rampage just annoys me. [/quote]I totally agree … Forrest just hasmore hart !!

[quote post="4162"]I[quote post="4162"] hate it when people make excuses for a loss. If Shogun’s injury was so bad he should have dropped out of the fight. He obviously didn’t see it as a factor, and he didn’t use that as an excuse anyway. Forrest completely dominated him in that fight.

I do agree with your second point though, Shogun will become a force in the UFC. [/quote][/quote]
I agree why make a big deal . Shogan Was a named fighter if he was injured he would have droped out no big deal .. The fact is that he said nothing of the injury untill he was beat .

i have to admit rampage is a damn good fighter with lots of strength. but forest has heart and the confidence to win a fight like this. forest pretty much shocked everybody with his last couple fights. it will definitly be a hell of a fight… but im gonna have to give my vote to forrest