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Quoteworthy:
“I’ve always said that our plan is to get vengeance, you know? Our plan is to get everyone that beat us and our plan is to get Wanderlei Silva or Shogun next. That’s just on my desire list, but I don’t know if those kids are ready or if they even want to fight Rampage so we’ll have to see. We’ll make a choice collectively with the matchmaker Joe and the promoter Dana and see what the choice is.”
Juanito Ibarra — the trainer for UFC Light Heavyweight Champion Quinton “Rampage” Jackson — wants to go after former Pride FC stars Wanderlei Silva and Mauricio “Shogun” Rua. Both Brazilian fighters have crushed Rampage when all three competed in Japan. In fact, Silva has done it twice. For that to happen anytime soon, however, Silva would have to get passed Chuck Liddell at UFC 79: “Nemesis” on December 29. Shogun, on the other hand, would have to put together a few more wins after his upset loss to Forrest Griffin at UFC 76: “Knockout” in September.
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WAR RAMPAGE!!
Rampage trainer always has something to say, you would think he makes all the decisions and rampage is his house boy
Page baby!!
He’ll get Wandi if he beats Chuck.
Sounds like a true champion! (with more than worthy opponents)
Both of those matchups are what the fans want to see. It’s too bad that Shogun lost so I think he’ll need a couple of wins before they set that up. What’s more likely is that if Wanderlei wins…they might make that matchup sooner rather than later. I hope they have Rampage vs. Wanderlei at UFC 83 in Montreal…along with Serra vs GSP hopefully…what a card that would be. Plus I think they should have Stout vs Fisher 3 that night as well. Joe Silva…are you listening to me? Cause if you need an assistant…I’m right here. I think they should also have McDonald vs Grove that night too.
yea wandi will get rampage if he beats chuck….
p.s. Mania do you know if the WEC show next wed(dec 12th) ill be aired on the fight network???
This should make 2008 an exciting year for the 205 lb division.
that would be great for rampage if he beats those two that may make him pound for pound the best out there but it won’t be easy.
Yeah is Silva wins we’ll get Rampage/Silva, but lets just say, if Chuck wins, Does that mean Forrest could get a shot? I guess we’ll find out at the end of december. They really gotta find out what to do with Jardine as well. we might see the rematch between him and forrest for the title shot.
so many options. can’t wait to see whats going on.
Careful what you wish for, you just may get it! Chuck got what he wanted and look what happened when he received Rampage.
Rampage is a different fighter now but I think Wanderlei has his number and knows how to win convincingly.
As for Shogun, Rampage looked scared when they fought.
If these fights do come to fruition they could turn out to be slugfests but with the same result. Either way I’m watching.
If Rampage means that, then he better stay out of the clinch with Wanderlei considering Wanderlei knocked him out the 2nd time with knees.
Wanderlei simply has Rampage’s number. Chute Boxe in general has his number.
(Yes I know about Chute Boxe…)
I would like to see Thiago Silva vs Keith Jardine…or Jason Lambert vs Forrest Griffin. Let’s get some serious contender matches going here….
Ever since TUF 1 I have wanted to see Forrest go up against Chuck…student vs teacher….anyone else interested in this match up???
that would be great for rampage if he won that would put him up there for the pound for pound best in the world but it won’t be easy to beat those two.
So, people are thinking Wanderlei vs. Rampage? I guess it makes sense, considering how many people have called Wanderlei the best fighter in the world, that he could get a title shot that quick (Shogun would have had one as quickly if he had beat Griffin, Rampage himself only had one non-title UFC fight). Still, this makes me wonder where everyone else in the 205 division is at. I wish the UFC would publish some sort of unofficial UFC rankings for each division- I don’t know how you determine the order of a list with:
Lyoto Machida
Rashad Evans
Forrest Griffin
Thiago Silva
Michael Bisping
Houston Alexander
Chuck Liddell
Keith Jardine
Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou
Wanderlei Silva
It sounds like you guys are saying that Liddell v. Silva is for a title shot only if Silva wins. With the exception of Houston Alexander, I’d like to see any of these guys fight Rampage soon, I just can’t tell who’s closest to getting that fight. My impression is that the order would look like:
1 Wanderlei Silva
2 Forrest Griffin
3 Rashad Evans
4 Lyoto Machida
5 Thiago Silva
6 Keith Jardine
7 Chuck Liddell
8 Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou
9 Michael Bisping
IMO, if Wandy wins and fights Rampage, Forrest should fight Jardine or Rashad, winner of that matchup should face winner of Machida-Sokoudjou for a title shot.
Forget shogun for now. Lets see what wandis got for chuck. I predict a easy win. let us not forget about forest and rashad they are next in line for title shots.
I guess Tito Ortiz should be on that list as well.
[quote comment="227678"]If Rampage means that, then he better stay out of the clinch with Wanderlei considering Wanderlei knocked him out the 2nd time with knees.
Wanderlei simply has Rampage’s number. Chute Boxe in general has his number.
(Yes I know about Chute Boxe…)[/quote]
I think we’ll see a different Page..a better Page with everytime he fights..Juanito was pefrect fit to bring the real Rampage out to fight in MMA. Even though Wandi is 2-0 on Page and Shogun 1-0. When they meet again in the ufc I believe Page will be a big problem for both of them. Usually when someone beats a fighter twice they have their number..but on the circumstances of the first 2 fights with Wandi and the 1 with Shogun..I don’t think Chute Boxe has his number..They don’t know who he is today..and why he Ko’d chuck and a minute or so.. and had a 5round battle with Henderson and beat him..the second to last guy to KO Wandi..either match up will be bought on ppv..and watch by alot of fans.
I want to see Forrest fight him…that would be huge ppv buys…people love that guy! I want to c it…He desrves it.
Wandy is a tougher opponent for Rampage than Shogun, and I’m not just looking at the record. Shogun’s style took advantage of Pride rules, and I think he still has to adapt. I think Wandy has a better style for the UFC, especially since he has fought in the Octagon before against high quality opponents (Vitor and Tito).
[quote comment="227691"][quote comment="227678"]If Rampage means that, then he better stay out of the clinch with Wanderlei considering Wanderlei knocked him out the 2nd time with knees.
Wanderlei simply has Rampage’s number. Chute Boxe in general has his number.
(Yes I know about Chute Boxe…)[/quote]
I think we’ll see a different Page..a better Page with everytime he fights..Juanito was pefrect fit to bring the real Rampage out to fight in MMA. Even though Wandi is 2-0 on Page and Shogun 1-0. When they meet again in the ufc I believe Page will be a big problem for both of them. Usually when someone beats a fighter twice they have their number..but on the circumstances of the first 2 fights with Wandi and the 1 with Shogun..I don’t think Chute Boxe has his number..They don’t know who he is today..and why he Ko’d chuck and a minute or so.. and had a 5round battle with Henderson and beat him..the second to last guy to KO Wandi..either match up will be bought on ppv..and watch by alot of fans.[/quote]
I agree with you 100%! Rampage is a complete fighter now. When he fought shogun and wandi in the past he did not have all the tools he does now
Page will get his revenge, As he says it “Whoop him in his ass, Spank him like a baby”
i totaly agree with Scott..
1st griffin..the dude deserves it!
Shogun cant because he lost to forrest .. and silva lost 2 in a row.. even if he wins from chuck i think he still needs anotehr win over another big name.. lets say tito?!?! another “payback” ppv ..
Silva beat him fair and sqaure, but he shouldnt have ever been in the fight against shogun.
[quote comment="227688"]So, people are thinking Wanderlei vs. Rampage? I guess it makes sense, considering how many people have called Wanderlei the best fighter in the world, that he could get a title shot that quick (Shogun would have had one as quickly if he had beat Griffin, Rampage himself only had one non-title UFC fight). Still, this makes me wonder where everyone else in the 205 division is at. I wish the UFC would publish some sort of unofficial UFC rankings for each division- I don’t know how you determine the order of a list with:
Lyoto Machida
Rashad Evans
Forrest Griffin
Thiago Silva
Michael Bisping
Houston Alexander
Chuck Liddell
Keith Jardine
Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou
Wanderlei Silva
It sounds like you guys are saying that Liddell v. Silva is for a title shot only if Silva wins. With the exception of Houston Alexander, I’d like to see any of these guys fight Rampage soon, I just can’t tell who’s closest to getting that fight. My impression is that the order would look like:
1 Wanderlei Silva
2 Forrest Griffin
3 Rashad Evans
4 Lyoto Machida
5 Thiago Silva
6 Keith Jardine
7 Chuck Liddell
8 Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou
9 Michael Bisping
IMO, if Wandy wins and fights Rampage, Forrest should fight Jardine or Rashad, winner of that matchup should face winner of Machida-Sokoudjou for a title shot.[/quot
You can narrow the list down by taking the people who dont deserve to be on it off. Bisping, liddell, sokoudjou, machida should not be there.
Shogun shouldn’t even be considered for the title at this point and as far as Wandy goes I disagree as well because he’s 1-2 in the ufc and has lost his last 2, so what if he beats Chuck if that’s the case I guess Jardine should be next.
I think Forrest who has been rumored more often then not should be next, deal with it.
Forrest vs. Rampage
Tito vs Shogun or loser of Chuck/Wandy
You know the winner of Chuck/Wandy will get a title shot after Forrest. Although Chuck Lost to Jardine, if he beats Wandy, then it’ll be a title rematch, then he’ll retire. Tito vs Chuck III for a title shot is possible too, only if Chuck wins. Jardine to a get a shot after Forrest vs Rampage.
What’s the rumor out there about Forrest vs Rampage for UFC 81 in Feb? There’s still a main event to be filled. Randy vs Nog is a no go. Isn’t Rampage’s hand still hurt, and Shogun just had surgery correct? Forrest and Jardine need to be put in the mix soon, they haven’t fought since Sept.
I think Rampage benefits from the rule changes in UFC. In the fight against Shogun he was destroyed by the clinch and finished off by the stomps and kicks while he was on the mat. Rampage showed he is able to utilize the cage in his fight against Hendo. Rampage can use the cage to limit Shogun and Silva’s effectiveness in the clinch. Rampage is strong enough to keep those guys pinned against the cage.
It’ll be interesting to see if Rampages time in the UFC has improved his game enough to go back and beat those that beat him.
He was a different fighter in Pride. I think he’s gonna be hard to beat by anybody.
UFC says they have big plans for Rampage, I wonder when they are going to announce that. Maybe they are being smart and waiting for the results of this fight to announce his next opponent. Honestly Id like to see Rampage and Griffin first, because Ive already seen Rampage and Silva twice (though I think the third time would be different).
[quote comment="227708"][quote comment="227688"]So, people are thinking Wanderlei vs. Rampage? I guess it makes sense, considering how many people have called Wanderlei the best fighter in the world, that he could get a title shot that quick (Shogun would have had one as quickly if he had beat Griffin, Rampage himself only had one non-title UFC fight). Still, this makes me wonder where everyone else in the 205 division is at. I wish the UFC would publish some sort of unofficial UFC rankings for each division- I don’t know how you determine the order of a list with:
Lyoto Machida
Rashad Evans
Forrest Griffin
Thiago Silva
Michael Bisping
Houston Alexander
Chuck Liddell
Keith Jardine
Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou
Wanderlei Silva
It sounds like you guys are saying that Liddell v. Silva is for a title shot only if Silva wins. With the exception of Houston Alexander, I’d like to see any of these guys fight Rampage soon, I just can’t tell who’s closest to getting that fight. My impression is that the order would look like:
1 Wanderlei Silva
2 Forrest Griffin
3 Rashad Evans
4 Lyoto Machida
5 Thiago Silva
6 Keith Jardine
7 Chuck Liddell
8 Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou
9 Michael Bisping
IMO, if Wandy wins and fights Rampage, Forrest should fight Jardine or Rashad, winner of that matchup should face winner of Machida-Sokoudjou for a title shot.[/quot
You can narrow the list down by taking the people who dont deserve to be on it off. Bisping, liddell, sokoudjou, machida should not be there.[/quote]
dude machida is undefeated, and why is Shogun not on the list?
We might have a different outcome this time around.
[quote post="4136"]So, people are thinking Wanderlei vs. Rampage? I guess it makes sense, considering how many people have called Wanderlei the best fighter in the world, that he could get a title shot that quick (Shogun would have had one as quickly if he had beat Griffin, Rampage himself only had one non-title UFC fight). Still, this makes me wonder where everyone else in the 205 division is at. I wish the UFC would publish some sort of unofficial UFC rankings for each division- I don’t know how you determine the order of a list with:
Lyoto Machida
Rashad Evans
Forrest Griffin
Thiago Silva
Michael Bisping
Houston Alexander
Chuck Liddell
Keith Jardine
Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou
Wanderlei Silva
It sounds like you guys are saying that Liddell v. Silva is for a title shot only if Silva wins. With the exception of Houston Alexander, I’d like to see any of these guys fight Rampage soon, I just can’t tell who’s closest to getting that fight. My impression is that the order would look like:
1 Wanderlei Silva
2 Forrest Griffin
3 Rashad Evans
4 Lyoto Machida
5 Thiago Silva
6 Keith Jardine
7 Chuck Liddell
8 Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou
9 Michael Bisping
IMO, if Wandy wins and fights Rampage, Forrest should fight Jardine or Rashad, winner of that matchup should face winner of Machida-Sokoudjou for a title shot.[/quot
You can narrow the list down by taking the people who dont deserve to be on it off. Bisping, liddell, sokoudjou, machida should not be there.
dude machida is undefeated, and why is Shogun not on the list?[/quote]
Yeah where’s shogun he deserves to be up there with the best@
This is off topic, but why is Mike Goldberg such a flaming cheeseball? he really gets under my skin. with his stupid little fist pump when he says “ill see you next time inside the octagon” on UFC unleashed. he annoys me!
[quote comment="227744"]This is off topic, but why is Mike Goldberg such a flaming cheeseball? he really gets under my skin. with his stupid little fist pump when he says “ill see you next time inside the octagon” on UFC unleashed. he annoys me![/quote]
have you ever noticed how close he stands to people when he talks or interviews them. Even when he’s just asking Rogan a question during the pre fight b.s., he is right in his face.
The only fighter I think might propose a problem for Rampage is Forest. Rampage is five times the fighter he was in pride.
The Knees…Watch out for the knees Rampage!!!
Juanita says:
“That’s just on my desire list, but I don’t know if those kids are ready or if they even want to fight Rampage so we’ll have to see.”
First off Wanderlei Silva is not a kid. If he is, then Rampage is a toddler because Silva is older than Page. Why would Wanderlei or Shogun NOT want to fight Rampage, ESPECIALLY while he’s champ. You don’t come to the UFC unless you want to one day be champ. For Wanderlei and Shogun, that opportunity is never far away. They have combined to give Rampage the 3 worst beatings of his life. They want the UFC belt. Rampage has the belt. WHY WOULDN’T THEY WANT TO FIGHT HIM????????????????
[quote comment="227744"]This is off topic, but why is Mike Goldberg such a flaming cheeseball? he really gets under my skin. with his stupid little fist pump when he says “ill see you next time inside the octagon” on UFC unleashed. he annoys me![/quote]
Flaming cheesball, that’s funny. I know what you mean, but apparently he doing something right.
[quote comment="227761"][quote comment="227744"]This is off topic, but why is Mike Goldberg such a flaming cheeseball? he really gets under my skin. with his stupid little fist pump when he says “ill see you next time inside the octagon” on UFC unleashed. he annoys me![/quote]
Flaming cheesball, that’s funny. I know what you mean, but apparently he doing something right.[/quote]
I know what ur talking about..when he pumps his pist..and gives us that same bitch ass line.
Even though Liddell would beat Silva 9 out of 10 times, Dana will tell Liddell to take a dive on this one, cause they don’t have a legitimate number # 1 contender to fight Rampage on May 3rd, plus they need a coach for TUF7, sux for Liddell but he will have to be a stepping stone in this one, we probably won’t see Liddell for a while if ever.
Yeah Shogun should have been on my list for sure lol. Inside MMA had the LHW rankings as:
1 Quinton Jackson
2 Dan Henderson
3 Wanderlei Silva
4 Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou
5 Forrest Griffin
6 Keith Jardine
7 Mauricio Rua
8 Chuck Liddell
9 Rashad Evans
10 Ryoto Machida
That is why UFC 79 is a must attend event for those who like Liddell, see all of u crazy Chuck’s fans in Vegas.
Not that I’m a Tito Ortiz fan, but he’d probably have a good shot at beating any one of those guys except maybe Chuck Liddell. I’d put him in the top 10.
[quote comment="227698"]i totaly agree with Scott..
1st griffin..the dude deserves it!
Shogun cant because he lost to forrest .. and silva lost 2 in a row.. even if he wins from chuck i think he still needs anotehr win over another big name.. lets say tito?!?! another “payback” ppv ..[/quote]
I agree with you guys as well. It would only make sense to throw Tito to Wandy after he beats Chuck. Then Have him fight Rampage
[quote comment="227759"]Juanita says:
“That’s just on my desire list, but I don’t know if those kids are ready or if they even want to fight Rampage so we’ll have to see.”
First off Wanderlei Silva is not a kid. If he is, then Rampage is a toddler because Silva is older than Page. Why would Wanderlei or Shogun NOT want to fight Rampage, ESPECIALLY while he’s champ. You don’t come to the UFC unless you want to one day be champ. For Wanderlei and Shogun, that opportunity is never far away. They have combined to give Rampage the 3 worst beatings of his life. They want the UFC belt. Rampage has the belt. WHY WOULDN’T THEY WANT TO FIGHT HIM????????????????[/quote]
I think that is just one of Juanito’s ways of pumping up Quinton and convincing him he’s the best.
rampage is good but not good enough to beat shogun and silva, he will lose one of those matches
avoid the knees!!!!!!!! thank god it’s not a ring he will fall out of
[quote comment="227771"]Yeah Shogun should have been on my list for sure lol. Inside MMA had the LHW rankings as:
1 Quinton Jackson
2 Dan Henderson
3 Wanderlei Silva
4 Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou
5 Forrest Griffin
6 Keith Jardine
7 Mauricio Rua
8 Chuck Liddell
9 Rashad Evans
10 Ryoto Machida[/quote]
i would put arona and lil nog up over rashad and i know jardine beat forrest and liddell but i don’t think he will stay in the top ten long, maybe even tito belongs in there.
[quote comment="227770"]Even though Liddell would beat Silva 9 out of 10 times, Dana will tell Liddell to take a dive on this one, cause they don’t have a legitimate number # 1 contender to fight Rampage on May 3rd, plus they need a coach for TUF7, sux for Liddell but he will have to be a stepping stone in this one, we probably won’t see Liddell for a while if ever.[/quote]
Did anyone who posted in this thread even see the first fight between rampage and the iceman? Rampage took everything liddell could throw at him and then kicked liddell’s ass all over the place, simply speeking liddell cannot beat rampage. To have the curage to make a statement like liddell would beat silva 9 out of 10 times is simply ludicrous, and rampage is 5 times the fighter he was when he was in pride, these are simply outrageous statements. Is Jackson better now than when he was in pride? probably, but remember how he kicked liddell’s ass in pride and then in the ufc, there was absolutely no change in the way that jackson approached liddell, head on and with no fear, jackson HAS ALWAYS BEEN a better fighter than liddell and always was able to take everything that liddell could throw at him. I believe that silva is the biggest threat to jackson right now, watch and see, silva is going to overwhelm liddell, think of how often silva was fighting in pride every 2 or 3 months, not an easy task, yet he destroyed jackson twice, he has had a rest now and is totally focused, I expect to see the axe murderer of old, high energy and extremely aggressive, liddell is going to get hurt and hurt badly. DanaBlk have you ever watched an mma event? the only reason that liddell would take a dive is because he can’t stand the pain of being hit, (I am saying that somewhat sarcasticly) Liddell won’t take a dive he is to much of a true competitor and to even make a statement that liddell will take a dive is like me making the statement that you are on crack cocaine, the chances are higher that you are on crack than liddell taking a dive, I believe that liddell will lose but not on purpose by doing something so low as taking a dive. (They will probably find that chuck was on crack by the pee test, THIS IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN)
Henderson is a definate top 4 fighter never mind top ten, why is he not really being mentioned? Id also have tito in the top ten aswell, he would cause problems for a few of those guys.
However on the point of rampage, i think he is a different fighter now, also silva may well be a different fighter now too! who knows what they defeats have done to his confidence?
Also i dont see silva walking through chuck, infact i think it could be along night at the office as i dont see silva getting the clinch on chuck!
Good times ahead fellow ufc men!!
[quote comment="227786"]rampage is good but not good enough to beat shogun and silva, he will lose one of those matches
avoid the knees!!!!!!!! thank god it’s not a ring he will fall out of[/quote]
I believe Forrest took the S off of Shoguns chest..So I think Page can beat him..he is beatable. Wandi is just Wandi..I like all 3 fighters.
Now thats A champion!!!!!!!! Take notes Jacob “tito” Ortiz, you might learn something about what a real champion is!
Big Nog had something interesting to say about Fedor:
Nog says he beat Fedor in the NC, says Fedor headbutted him intentionally
Claro que sim. Considero ter feito três lutas com o Fedor. O “no contest” foi contra ele. Se hoje tivesse acontecido aquilo na regra do UFC eu teria vencido, foi nÃÂÂtido que ele me deu uma cabeçada intencional. Ele que abriu a cabeça e eu tinha condições de continuar, mas a luta parou. Considero ter vencido aquele confronto. Ele é um lutador muito bom, um peso pesado a ser vencido, mas sei que tenho condições de fazer isso. Estrategicamente ele é muito bom, mas vou treinar para vencê-lo. Quero ter a oportunidade de lutar com ele novamente, quem sabe no UFC.
Question : Only person you lost without winning after is fedor. Would you like to fight him again?
“Of course. I consider to have fought him 3 times. The no contest was against him. If it had happened today in UFC I would have won, it was clear that he was the one that headbutted me intentionally. He was the one that opened his head though, and I had conditions to continue, but the fight was stopped. I consider to have won that confront. He is a very good fighter, a HW to be beaten, but I know I have conditions to do that. Strategically he is very good, but I will train to beat him. I want to have the opportunity to fight him again, who knows in the UFC
I believe he is talking about the No contest ruling between him and Fedor at shockwave. Honestly I thought he was the one who headbutted Fedor, but he is saying Fedor was the headbutter and he was the headbuttie…I dunno, i really didnt see it that way. Noguerra sounds like he is hating.
Oh well he is still #2 Heavyweight in the world
[quote comment="227776"]Not that I’m a Tito Ortiz fan, but he’d probably have a good shot at beating any one of those guys except maybe Chuck Liddell. I’d put him in the top 10.[/quote]
yeah I think so too. Rashad did not beat Tito and the only reason it was a draw was because Tito got penalized 1 point and Tito dominated him in the 1st round which shows that Tito can be strong and fight good when he is in shape, healthy and has the drive.
Chuck does have is # but not his girl….
Mania! Let my wife join our mmaplayground camp! Her name is Lacey.
[quote post="4136"]Ever since TUF 1 I have wanted to see Forrest go up against Chuck…student vs teacher….anyone else interested in this match up??? [/quote]
I’m interested in only 1 chuck fight and its scheduled to happen very soon
After that, chuck will probably retire.
Wandy will win again, He´ll be the Champ in the 2008.
1 Rampage
2 Forrest
3 Jardine
4 IceMan
5 AxeMurderer
6 Rashad
7 Tito
8 Shogun
9 Machida
10 Thiago
notables:
AfricanAssasin – needs a win in ufc
Houston – needs a win against a submission specialist 2b top10
Henderson – definitely top10, but needed in MW
Bisping – needs a distinctive win against a top opponent
Hammill – needs a little more time
I see Wandy pounding through Rampage if they fight again….he does not think very hihgly of Rampage, in fact he thinks it is amusing that he is the champ of the UFC LHW. I am a HUGE Liddell fan, but I am starting to want Wandi to win, just so I can see him fight Rampage again.
Come back Vitor Belfort.
[quote comment="227770"]Even though Liddell would beat Silva 9 out of 10 times, Dana will tell Liddell to take a dive on this one, cause they don’t have a legitimate number # 1 contender to fight Rampage on May 3rd, plus they need a coach for TUF7, sux for Liddell but he will have to be a stepping stone in this one, we probably won’t see Liddell for a while if ever.[/quote]
You douche.
xD
[quote post="4136"]Even though Liddell would beat Silva 9 out of 10 times, Dana will tell Liddell to take a dive on this one, cause they don’t have a legitimate number # 1 contender to fight Rampage on May 3rd, plus they need a coach for TUF7, sux for Liddell but he will have to be a stepping stone in this one, we probably won’t see Liddell for a while if ever.[/quote]
who in their right mind would take a dive to end their career? you got to be kidding me dude. and I see it as wandy winning 9 out of 10 (actually I see him winning 10 out of 10) lol.
Yeah this time it’s definently gonna be different. I’d put my money on Rampage over any one of those guys. Don’t see anybody in the division right now that could beat Rampage.
How can any of you seriuosly think rashad should be in the title hunt? He hasn’t fought anyone, and his last couple of fights have be so boring I don’t even want to weatch him fight again.
I heard somewhere that the winner of machida/soduoku could get title shot if chuck/wandy is boring.
[quote comment="227691"][quote comment="227678"]If Rampage means that, then he better stay out of the clinch with Wanderlei considering Wanderlei knocked him out the 2nd time with knees.
Wanderlei simply has Rampage’s number. Chute Boxe in general has his number.
(Yes I know about Chute Boxe…)[/quote]
I think we’ll see a different Page..a better Page with everytime he fights..Juanito was pefrect fit to bring the real Rampage out to fight in MMA. Even though Wandi is 2-0 on Page and Shogun 1-0. When they meet again in the ufc I believe Page will be a big problem for both of them. Usually when someone beats a fighter twice they have their number..but on the circumstances of the first 2 fights with Wandi and the 1 with Shogun..I don’t think Chute Boxe has his number..They don’t know who he is today..and why he Ko’d chuck and a minute or so.. and had a 5round battle with Henderson and beat him..the second to last guy to KO Wandi..either match up will be bought on ppv..and watch by alot of fans.[/quote]
PhilQNY, you are 100% right on this one,. Im not sure what NC-17 is talking about.
NC-17, You have to consider the “circumstances” that Phil pointed out, he is right.
Rampage is a different fighter now, he is a proven Champion.
And also Rampage beat “Ninja” Rua, who is a Chute/Boxe fighter, so you CAN say “Wanderlei beat Page 2 times, and Shogun whooped page 1 time… but you CANT say Chute/boxe has Rampage’s number…
[quote post="4136"]I believe he is talking about the No contest ruling between him and Fedor at shockwave. Honestly I thought he was the one who headbutted Fedor, but he is saying Fedor was the headbutter and he was the headbuttie…I dunno, i really didnt see it that way. Noguerra sounds like he is hating.
Oh well he is still #2 Heavyweight in the world [/quote]
John thanks for the post…
I have watched the Fedor/Nog fight so many times and I aswell have always thought Nog was the “headbutter”.(and still do).
But if Fedor was the one to initiate the head-but, I dont see how it was intentional…You dont try to connect with that part of the head, when your giving a head-but..
And I would think Fedor knows how to head-but..
Maybe Nog is just hating???
But you are right he is #2 HW..
[quote comment="227801"][quote comment="227771"]Yeah Shogun should have been on my list for sure lol. Inside MMA had the LHW rankings as:
1 Quinton Jackson
2 Dan Henderson
3 Wanderlei Silva
4 Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou
5 Forrest Griffin
6 Keith Jardine
7 Mauricio Rua
8 Chuck Liddell
9 Rashad Evans
10 Ryoto Machida[/quote]
i would put arona and lil nog up over rashad and i know jardine beat forrest and liddell but i don’t think he will stay in the top ten long, maybe even tito belongs in there.[/quote]
I was thinking the same thing..
Where the hell is Arona and lil Nog????
I disagree with Tito.. he doesn’t even get a “maybe” from me.unless it’s “Maybe 2 years ago”
man at first im rooting for chuck to win against silva, but about what rumors i hear right now about a possible silva vs rampage 3, im fired up & i feel like i want silva to win against chuck lol! but whoever, no matter who wins, there’s somethin that i will looking forward about these two fighters
[quote comment="227753"][quote comment="227744"]This is off topic, but why is Mike Goldberg such a flaming cheeseball? he really gets under my skin. with his stupid little fist pump when he says “ill see you next time inside the octagon” on UFC unleashed. he annoys me![/quote]
have you ever noticed how close he stands to people when he talks or interviews them. Even when he’s just asking Rogan a question during the pre fight b.s., he is right in his face.[/quote]
Aww, Dude, I was thinking the same thing as soon as I started reading your comment! He’s a close talker of the worst kind!
[quote post="4136"]Yeah Shogun should have been on my list for sure lol. Inside MMA had the LHW rankings as:
1 Quinton Jackson
2 Dan Henderson
3 Wanderlei Silva
4 Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou
5 Forrest Griffin
6 Keith Jardine
7 Mauricio Rua
8 Chuck Liddell
9 Rashad Evans
10 Ryoto Machida
i would put arona and lil nog up over rashad and i know jardine beat forrest and liddell but i don’t think he will stay in the top ten long, maybe even tito belongs in there.
I was thinking the same thing..
Where the hell is Arona and lil Nog????
I disagree with Tito.. he doesn’t even get a “maybe” from me.unless it’s “Maybe 2 years ago” [/quote]
i dont know dude tito has to be in there i think maybe at like 6 even thought ppl hate on him all the time he beat forrest even though it was close and he definitely outworked rashad…regardless if tito gets a win over rashad and another win over another top ten guy which is definitely possible he has to be in title contention
[quote comment="227671"]Yeah is Silva wins we’ll get Rampage/Silva, but lets just say, if Chuck wins, Does that mean Forrest could get a shot? I guess we’ll find out at the end of december. They really gotta find out what to do with Jardine as well. we might see the rematch between him and forrest for the title shot.
so many options. can’t wait to see whats going on.[/quote]
That makes the most sense to me.. I can see Jardine getting a shot as well though.. but Forest will probably make the better fight.
Ibarra is a complete nutcase.
[quote post="4136"]I guess Tito Ortiz should be on that list as well. [/quote]
Ya, he has Chuck 7th with 3 losses in a row and Tito isn’t even on the list, WTF.
there is no doubt that win or lose against liddell, silva will fight rampage at some point!! Theres no getting away from this fight, for one rampage wants it!!
It might not be after he gets ko’d by liddell but it will happen.
My top ten is.
1.rampage
2.henderson
3.griffin
4.jardine
5.liddell
6.wandi
7.shogun
8.thiago silva
9.tito
10.rashad
11.bisping
12.alexander
13.machida
from 10-13 its close tho not much between these guys!!
What do you guys think of this? be opened minded to it ok!!
Liddell beats wandi, he then fights shogun for a title shot.
wandi beats liddell (yeah right! lol) he then gets a shot at rampage.
thiago silva fights tito.
rashad fights shogun.
machida fights jardine.
If I was doing the ranks it would look like:
1 Quinton Jackson
2 Wanderlei Silva
3 Chuck Liddell
4 Tito Ortiz
5 Mauricio Rua
6 Antonio Rogerio Noguiera
7 Ricardo Arona
8 Lyoto Machida
9 Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou
10 Keith Jardine
11 Forrest Griffin
12 Thiago Silva
13 Michael Bisping
14 Rashad Evans
15 Houston Alexander
16 Matt Hamill
these ranks are based on how much I think each fighter has proven in his career (basically how much respect he’s earned from me as a fighter). The ranks don’t really reflect how far I think each one of them will go in the future.
(I’m counting Dan Henderson as a middleweight for now, and I mispelled Nogueira)
LOL misspell*
yah if liddell wins,he needs to fight one more top guy, to get a title shot, maybe rua.. if liddell can pass silva and shogun then what the Hell!! he’s back on the mix again!!!
then if he would be lucky,he’ll knockout rampage in their 3rd fight!! wow crazy!
but thats if it will happen =>
I don’t think Shogun or liddell or anyone should get a title shot before Forrest or Jardine.
Silva-vs-Tito would be a good fight, go Silva.
Although both Silva and Machida are 3-0 in the ufc, both are unbeaten anywhere that may be a better fight.[quote comment="227988"]What do you guys think of this? be opened minded to it ok!!
Liddell beats wandi, he then fights shogun for a title shot.
wandi beats liddell (yeah right! lol) he then gets a shot at rampage.
thiago silva fights tito.
rashad fights shogun.
machida fights jardine.[/quote]
[quote comment="227985"]there is no doubt that win or lose against liddell, silva will fight rampage at some point!! Theres no getting away from this fight, for one rampage wants it!!
It might not be after he gets ko’d by liddell but it will happen.
My top ten is.
1.rampage
2.henderson
3.griffin
4.jardine
5.liddell
6.wandi
7.shogun
8.thiago silva
9.tito
10.rashad
11.bisping
12.alexander
13.machida
from 10-13 its close tho not much between these guys!![/quote]
My Top 10…
1.QRJ
2.Wandi
3.Hendo
4.Shogun
5.Liddell
6.Forrest
7.Thiago Silva
8.Jardine
9.Houston
10.Bisbing
Apart from top 3… I don’t necessarily think they rank in that order but they are my favs for various reasons. But top 3 in my list are the best guys ATM
Its pretty straight forward, if Wandy beats chuck he gets a shot its only if Chuck wins then it gets complicated…
I for one do not think Forrest is ready. Yes he beat Shogun but i watched that fight again last night and its unbelieveble how much Shogun gassed, at the end of the first he was gone.
If Forrest can beat Jardine then throw him in there with Page but he’d get KTFO, he fights far too open to stand and trade with someone like Rampage.
I’ll get shouted at for this but what about Tito?? He’s got to be in the frame. I know he is friends with Rampage but that would sell a lot of PPV’s.
Here’s my summary if Chuck wins,
Evans vs Tito II – If Tito wins he gets the shot.
Jardine vs Griffin II – If Tito looses either gets the shot.
Then…
Chuck vs Shogun with the winner next in line after the above.
Forrest deserves the title shot first. He will out work Page and beat him like he did Shogun. Page hasnt got the stamina to keep up with Forrest.
And Page will not beat either Silva or Shogun. Both are more complete fighters than Rampage. The only chance he has of winning is a knockout which both Silva and Shogun are more than aware of. Page has more of a chance against Silva because Silva just goes out there and leaves himself too open, but Shogun is better on the ground and in my opinion has a better defence both standing and on the ground.
OFF TOPIC
Mania we need a new blog…this is all yesterdays news… somthing new please for the work day to go by faster…..
mmamania rules…
[quote comment="228065"]OFF TOPIC
Mania we need a new blog…this is all yesterdays news… somthing new please for the work day to go by faster…..
mmamania rules…[/quote]
I 2nd that notion’
dood i never thought about that fight thiago sliva vs tito sound freaking good, and forrest should fight jardine again and knock him out, also after chuck wins he should fight shogun, beat silva and shogun and he would rebound from the losses and be in line or in front of line for title woowhoo chuck 08
[quote comment="228039"]Forrest deserves the title shot first. He will out work Page and beat him like he did Shogun. Page hasnt got the stamina to keep up with Forrest.[/quote]
How can you say Rampage hasn’t got the stamina to hang with Forrest, after he went five full rounds with Hendo and ended the fight standing over Hendo’s crumpled body? Rampage went full speed that entire fight, he could definitely hang with Forrest in stamina.
RAMPAGE WILL REMAIN CHAMPION UNTILL HE RETIRES.
[quote post="4136"]Page hasnt got the stamina to keep up with Forrest.[/quote]
“Page hasn’t got stamina”???LOL, your crazy!
How did he go FIVE, 5 minute rounds with Hendo??
[quote comment="227759"]Juanita says:
“That’s just on my desire list, but I don’t know if those kids are ready or if they even want to fight Rampage so we’ll have to see.”
First off Wanderlei Silva is not a kid. If he is, then Rampage is a toddler because Silva is older than Page. Why would Wanderlei or Shogun NOT want to fight Rampage, ESPECIALLY while he’s champ. You don’t come to the UFC unless you want to one day be champ. For Wanderlei and Shogun, that opportunity is never far away. They have combined to give Rampage the 3 worst beatings of his life. They want the UFC belt. Rampage has the belt. WHY WOULDN’T THEY WANT TO FIGHT HIM????????????????[/quote]
Yeh that needed saying… I just couldn’t be bothered
Wandi a kid….HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Forrest griffen will beat rampage when they meet up,its the way the ufc wants it to be,that way shogon,wandi will meet rampage and forrest will meet jardineor ortiz,rashad for the title,just like they are screwing around with the heavyweight division gabriel should be getting his title shot but hes not.
If Machida wins, give him a shot, I think he is more prepared than Forrest, Jardine, Evans. He deserves a shot before them.
Honestly, I think the guy that deserves the next shot is Forrest. Although that will be a painful fight for me to watch because I like both guys so much. I’d guess I’d actually pull for Forrest to lose though. Perhaps then he would think about going up to heavyweight to spice that division up. I saw an interview with Randy where he said Forrest walks around at 240! That makes him larger then Cro-Cop, Vera, Randy, Fedor, and right on par with Congo.
[quote comment="227890"][quote comment="227691"][quote comment="227678"]If Rampage means that, then he better stay out of the clinch with Wanderlei considering Wanderlei knocked him out the 2nd time with knees.
Wanderlei simply has Rampage’s number. Chute Boxe in general has his number.
(Yes I know about Chute Boxe…)[/quote]
I think we’ll see a different Page..a better Page with everytime he fights..Juanito was pefrect fit to bring the real Rampage out to fight in MMA. Even though Wandi is 2-0 on Page and Shogun 1-0. When they meet again in the ufc I believe Page will be a big problem for both of them. Usually when someone beats a fighter twice they have their number..but on the circumstances of the first 2 fights with Wandi and the 1 with Shogun..I don’t think Chute Boxe has his number..They don’t know who he is today..and why he Ko’d chuck and a minute or so.. and had a 5round battle with Henderson and beat him..the second to last guy to KO Wandi..either match up will be bought on ppv..and watch by alot of fans.[/quote]
PhilQNY, you are 100% right on this one,. Im not sure what NC-17 is talking about.
NC-17, You have to consider the “circumstances” that Phil pointed out, he is right.
Rampage is a different fighter now, he is a proven Champion.
And also Rampage beat “Ninja” Rua, who is a Chute/Boxe fighter, so you CAN say “Wanderlei beat Page 2 times, and Shogun whooped page 1 time… but you CANT say Chute/boxe has Rampage’s number…[/quote]
I love Rampage but he did not beat Ninja! That was the single worst decisio n that I have ever seen. Rampage was a stand up dude about it admitting that he didnt deserve to win that figjht and that Ninja really beat him. Not that it matters cuz Rampage is a completely different fighter. He will be tough to beat by anyone!!!!!!!
I’m not the biggest fan of rematches, unless its a champion vs. #1 challenger. Therefore, unless Forrest and Dean of Mean are champ and #1 challenger, I don’t really care to see that fight again. There are too many other great matchups that I’d rather see each fighter face. Forrest vs. Rashad and Dean of Mean vs. Tito would be much more interesting to me than watching the reruns.
Shogun will be Champ, maybe not tomorrow but probably the end of 08.
[quote comment="228039"]Forrest deserves the title shot first. He will out work Page and beat him like he did Shogun. Page hasnt got the stamina to keep up with Forrest.
And Page will not beat either Silva or Shogun. Both are more complete fighters than Rampage. The only chance he has of winning is a knockout which both Silva and Shogun are more than aware of. Page has more of a chance against Silva because Silva just goes out there and leaves himself too open, but Shogun is better on the ground and in my opinion has a better defence both standing and on the ground.[/quote]
Can you stop refering to Rampage as “Page” it is really annoying and unecessary. If you don’t have an extra .5 seconds to type RAM then you need to stop working so much.
[quote comment="227888"]How can any of you seriuosly think rashad should be in the title hunt? He hasn’t fought anyone, and his last couple of fights have be so boring I don’t even want to weatch him fight again.
I heard somewhere that the winner of machida/soduoku could get title shot if chuck/wandy is boring.[/quote]
I totally agree. When he fights he never seems to inflict much damage and never gets even close to knocking a guy out or ending the fight. He seems to get wins but he seems to get them by avoiding losses. I haven’t seen a ton of his fights, but the fights I have seen make me think that if I don’t ever watch him fight again it will be way too soon.
How can you say Rampage hasn’t got the stamina to hang with Forrest, after he went five full rounds with Hendo and ended the fight standing over Hendo’s crumpled body? Rampage went full speed that entire fight, he could definitely hang with Forrest in stamina.
Hendo does not compare to the work ethic of Forrest. Hes much quicker.
[quote post="4136"]Forrest deserves the title shot first. He will out work Page and beat him like he did Shogun. Page hasnt got the stamina to keep up with Forrest.[/quote]
Hendo does not compare to the work ethic of Forrest. Hes much quicker and would outwork Rampage in all aspects.
“I for one do not think Forrest is ready. Yes he beat Shogun but i watched that fight again last night and its unbelieveble how much Shogun gassed, at the end of the first he was gone.”
Exactly what I’ve been saying. Anyone would have beat Shogun on that night, I said in the second that there was almost no way he wasn’t going to lose. Anyone who puts Forrest Griffin in the top five needs to do some serious rethinking. I am positive that Forrest would have lost to Machida if he hadn’t been ironically saved by a vicious staph infection, and I’m positive he will lose to Machida if they fight. Forrest is easily the most overrated LHW.
[quote comment="228374"][quote post="4136"]Forrest deserves the title shot first. He will out work Page and beat him like he did Shogun. Page hasnt got the stamina to keep up with Forrest.[/quote]
Hendo does not compare to the work ethic of Forrest. Hes much quicker and would outwork Rampage in all aspects.[/quote]
theres realy no reason to even reply to such a crazy statement
[quote comment="227802"][quote comment="227770"]Even though Liddell would beat Silva 9 out of 10 times, Dana will tell Liddell to take a dive on this one, cause they don’t have a legitimate number # 1 contender to fight Rampage on May 3rd, plus they need a coach for TUF7, sux for Liddell but he will have to be a stepping stone in this one, we probably won’t see Liddell for a while if ever.[/quote]
Did anyone who posted in this thread even see the first fight between rampage and the iceman? Rampage took everything liddell could throw at him and then kicked liddell’s ass all over the place, simply speeking liddell cannot beat rampage. To have the curage to make a statement like liddell would beat silva 9 out of 10 times is simply ludicrous, and rampage is 5 times the fighter he was when he was in pride, these are simply outrageous statements. Is Jackson better now than when he was in pride? probably, but remember how he kicked liddell’s ass in pride and then in the ufc, there was absolutely no change in the way that jackson approached liddell, head on and with no fear, jackson HAS ALWAYS BEEN a better fighter than liddell and always was able to take everything that liddell could throw at him. I believe that silva is the biggest threat to jackson right now, watch and see, silva is going to overwhelm liddell, think of how often silva was fighting in pride every 2 or 3 months, not an easy task, yet he destroyed jackson twice, he has had a rest now and is totally focused, I expect to see the axe murderer of old, high energy and extremely aggressive, liddell is going to get hurt and hurt badly. DanaBlk have you ever watched an mma event? the only reason that liddell would take a dive is because he can’t stand the pain of being hit, (I am saying that somewhat sarcasticly) Liddell won’t take a dive he is to much of a true competitor and to even make a statement that liddell will take a dive is like me making the statement that you are on crack cocaine, the chances are higher that you are on crack than liddell taking a dive, I believe that liddell will lose but not on purpose by doing something so low as taking a dive. (They will probably find that chuck was on crack by the pee test, THIS IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN)[/quote]
Dude.. thank you for that… I was about to go off until I heard this from Ultimate fighter..You snatched the thoughts right out of my head…Well said.
Hey has anyone seen a TV show called Sports Science on FOX sports? Rampage’s punch went against the force of two Sumo Wrestlers. Sumo was 1000lbs of force and Rampage was 1800lbs of force in his right hand punch. Best part, “I put my ass in it”!!
rampage,forrest is the next best,deserving opponent period. then it should be the winner of wandi,liddell match.jardine should beup there in the mix also but to be honest im not sold on his fights.i would like to see him fight my man tito.
[quote comment="227647"]WAR RAMPAGE!![/quote]
[quote post="4136"]Hendo does not compare to the work ethic of Forrest. Hes much quicker and would outwork Rampage in all aspects.
theres realy no reason to even reply to such a crazy statement [/quote]
Exactly because you know its true. Forrest is quicker, puts alot more pressure on his opponents than Hendo and has a fiercer striking game.
Be careful what you wish for Rampage.
In all fairness, he probably would have won the first fight with Silva if the ref did not save silva from page’s GNP.
But then you also can say page should have lost his match against arona.
Speaking of which, WHERE DANA IS ARONA?
THIS GUY OUTSTOOD WANDERLEI IN THEIR FIGHT AND COULD CLEAN OUT THE UFC LIGHTWEIGHT DIVISION. THATS RIGHT-CLEAN OUT!