Is it just me or does anybody else feel like the signing of Brock Lesner into the UFC has sort of tarnished the seriousness of the sport? I can’t help but to laugh everytime I hear or see anything about Lesner.

I David Heath was fighting Andre Gusmao from the pitbulls on this card.

[quote comment="224561"]Is it just me or does anybody else feel like the signing of Brock Lesner into the UFC has sort of tarnished the seriousness of the sport? I can’t help but to laugh everytime I hear or see anything about Lesner.[/quote]

I look at pro wrestlers as “clowns”. However, Brock has been training mma for years, and he was a very decorated collegiate wrestler. Wrestlers make the easiest transition into mma and I have a feeling that Brock will end up becoming a good mma fighter. I started taking Lesnar serious when the announcement came out that he would be fighting Frank Mir. For a first fight Brock could have easily chose to fight an eddie sanchez type fighter we like to call a “can”. However he chose to start his UFC career against a former heavyweight champion Frank Mir. That shows me that Brock has been training hard, and is confidentthat he is ready for the Octagon. Stylistically this is a very tiough fight for Brock. They could have matched him up with a pure striker, who he could take down and abuse on the ground, but instead he is fighting one of the best Ju Jitsu heavyweights out there. This tells me that Brock has been training enough and at the very least knows how to escape submissions. I am actually become more and more curious and excited about seeing Brock as it gets closer and closer to Febuary.

I’m excited to see the Tyson Griffin fight…Don’t know what everyone else thinks…

[quote comment="224561"]Is it just me or does anybody else feel like the signing of Brock Lesner into the UFC has sort of tarnished the seriousness of the sport? I can’t help but to laugh everytime I hear or see anything about Lesner.[/quote]

I think it might just be you.

I would not think this “tarnished the seriousness of the sport”
Brock Lesner has a damn good background in wrestling, and has been training MMa now for a while and he is taking it very seriously..

I am not saying he is going to ‘crush every opponant”, or, “this is amazing they signed Brock Lesner” or anything, because I am not really a fan of him.

Im just saying he DOES deserve a chance, and this does not “tarnish the seriousness” just because Brock was in the WWF.
………Maybe if they signed Hulk Hogan I would agree.

The seriousness of the sport cant be tarnished if the fighter(Brock) is taking it serious….and he is.

Sherdog and mma weekly reported overthe weekend, that the UFC couldnt reach an agreement with Randy, and thatthe fight between Noguerra vs. Sylvia has been signed. Hopefully this is false information, and we will get to see Randy vs. Noguerra, but it doesnt look good.

Annother rumor that I have been hearing is that the rematch between Forrest Griffin vs. Keith Jardine will take place at UFC 81, that would be a very good addition to what is supposed to be the best card of the year. If this fight happens, I suspect that the Almeida vs. Belcher fight will not be televised. Both Forrest and Jardine are comming off of big wins and I think both fighters have grown a lot since their first fight, and I am curious to see how this fight unfolds. I would have to give a slight edge to Forrest this time around.

Also UFC 83 will take place in Canada. I expect the Unification of the welterweight title to take place atthis event.

Mauricio “Shogun” Rua is said to return to the octagon in April. No opponent has been mentioned, although rumors are circulating that it will be against Tito Ortiz. Personally I think this is a fabrication, and I do not see Ortiz excepting a match against Shogun. They are still looking for an opponent for Shogun.

I agree with you to a certain extent, but a true assesment can only really be made after this fight. He is either going to be a complete disaster or a monster that completely destroys Mir. It will be interesting to watch.

Wait, why does Frank Mir have 3 stars and Brock Lesnar have 6 stars? it does mean something, can’t quite figure it out.

First Evans vs. Bisbing, now this…

LESNER, ummm…

I don’t get it.

I heard the rumors that Brock Lesner was coming to fight in the UFC (from this site), but fighting as a headliner after only 1 fight on his record?

Give me a break. And Frank Mir as a headliner? Come on. He’s been giving lackluster performances since his unfortunate accident.

Why do I feel Dana would try and sell us Steven Hawkings vs. Christoper Reeves’s corpse as a headliner, if top of the line guys weren’t available?

[quote comment="224579"]Wait, why does Frank Mir have 3 stars and Brock Lesnar have 6 stars? it does mean something, can’t quite figure it out.[/quote]
the letters in their ;ast names

last names

dude Mir will finish lesnar in the first round, wether it is standing and of course as soon as it hits the ground the former undisputed heavyweight WWE champion of the wooooooorrrrlllllddddd!!!! is getting submitted (tap-tap), im curious to see what highlights of brock they will show when making the hype for the fight lol him getting rock bottomed or clinching with kurt angle, lol come on man this is a bad move for a fighter that is supossed to be the next big thing, unless Dana just wants to make a fool out of him and make sure no other entertainer wants to transition into mma i really dont see this fight going to lesnar he will get outclassed and then what he will have the excuse that the opponent was a former champ, they should start him off with Sanchez and have him kick his ass then Lesnar goes back to Wrestling like Bisping said it lol

[quote comment="224568"]I’m excited to see the Tyson Griffin fight…Don’t know what everyone else thinks…[/quote]
Yeh…and thats about it!!! not the greatest line up, and if the Brock Vs Mir fight is the headliner…. well lets just say I’m glad its free in the UK else I’d miss this event.

i meant that Eddie Sanchez would kick lesnars ass and he would have no more excuses and so on

[quote comment="224579"]Wait, why does Frank Mir have 3 stars and Brock Lesnar have 6 stars? it does mean something, can’t quite figure it out.[/quote]

That’s the life meter, much like a fighting game.

[quote comment="224582"]First Evans vs. Bisbing, now this…

LESNER, ummm…

I don’t get it.

I heard the rumors that Brock Lesner was coming to fight in the UFC (from this site), but fighting as a headliner after only 1 fight on his record?

Give me a break. And Frank Mir as a headliner? Come on. He’s been giving lackluster performances since his unfortunate accident.

Why do I feel Dana would try and sell us Steven Hawkings vs. Christoper Reeves’s corpse as a headliner, if top of the line guys weren’t available?[/quote]

If true..we’ll see Tim S vs BigNog for the hh title headliner for this card.

PLUS!!!

With such a stacked LHW division there is on excuse for lame cards…

I think the UFC are spending tooooo much time trying to figure out what the best matchups are and how they’ll get the most headliners out of it etc…. just stick em in the f***** ring!!! Octagon, cage, whatever! and let em brawl, then the pieces will fall into place naturally…

Kind of surprised no one is excited about Marquardt-Leites.

They still have to add 4 more fights to this card. Hopefully Big Nog and Randy, and a couple more quality fights.

[quote comment="224619"]Kind of surprised no one is excited about Marquardt-Leites.[/quote]

I am very excited about this fight. I am not a big fan of Maqrquardt. I have only seen a couple of his fights, but I am aware that he has been in a lot of fights. I never seen any of his fights in Pancrase so I cant give you an honest assesment on him,. Leites is a stough young fighter. I am really looking forward to seeing how he performs against a top guy like Marquardt. I say Leites via submission.

Worst tat in MMA on Brock. Looks like a five year old doodled on him when he was asleep.

[quote comment="224566"][quote comment="224561"]Is it just me or does anybody else feel like the signing of Brock Lesner into the UFC has sort of tarnished the seriousness of the sport? I can’t help but to laugh everytime I hear or see anything about Lesner.[/quote]

I look at pro wrestlers as “clowns”. However, Brock has been training mma for years, and he was a very decorated collegiate wrestler. Wrestlers make the easiest transition into mma and I have a feeling that Brock will end up becoming a good mma fighter. I started taking Lesnar serious when the announcement came out that he would be fighting Frank Mir. For a first fight Brock could have easily chose to fight an eddie sanchez type fighter we like to call a “can”. However he chose to start his UFC career against a former heavyweight champion Frank Mir. That shows me that Brock has been training hard, and is confidentthat he is ready for the Octagon. Stylistically this is a very tiough fight for Brock. They could have matched him up with a pure striker, who he could take down and abuse on the ground, but instead he is fighting one of the best Ju Jitsu heavyweights out there. This tells me that Brock has been training enough and at the very least knows how to escape submissions. I am actually become more and more curious and excited about seeing Brock as it gets closer and closer to Febuary.[/quote]

I agree with you John 100%. At first, I thought he was a joke, like how he thought he can play in the NFL with zero football experience. But the more I read up about his last couple years, I think the dude is for real. I STILL can’t believe that he is fighting Mir in his first fight! How is Lesnar going to try and win his fights? By getting the takedown and inflicting GnP until the ref pulls him off. HOWEVER, I think that Frank Mir is most dangerous off of his back, so Lesnar is goint to have to be VERY careful not to get his arm snapped. I can really see this fight going either way. But which ever way it goes, I see Mir being on his back for the vast majority of the fight.

[quote post="4080"]I heard the rumors that Brock Lesner was coming to fight in the UFC (from this site), but fighting as a headliner after only 1 fight on his record?
Give me a break. And Frank Mir as a headliner? Come on. He’s been giving lackluster performances since his unfortunate accident.
Why do I feel Dana would try and sell us Steven Hawkings vs. Christoper Reeves’s corpse as a headliner, if top of the line guys weren’t available? [/quote]

I REALLY hope that this isn’t the headliner. The HW belt is supposed to be up for grabs at this PPV. Hopefully they get everything sorted out in time with the current HW situation.

WWE stint aside, Lesnar is a dangerous man. He is a national champion wrestler and an incredible athlete with freakish power. I guarantee he can take a lot of shots and keep coming forward. Mir and his submission skills will be a compelling match-up. Even if Mir isolates a limb, Lesnar is so powerful Mir may not be able to finish the fight. This has a chance to be a surprisingly good and entertaining fight.

is the Mir/Lesnar fight the main event?

Lesnar is a monster and he looks less and less like he is on roids every time I see him.

He doesnt look roided in that pic.

[quote comment="224638"][quote comment="224619"]Kind of surprised no one is excited about Marquardt-Leites.[/quote]

I am very excited about this fight. I am not a big fan of Maqrquardt. I have only seen a couple of his fights, but I am aware that he has been in a lot of fights. I never seen any of his fights in Pancrase so I cant give you an honest assesment on him,. Leites is a stough young fighter. I am really looking forward to seeing how he performs against a top guy like Marquardt. I say Leites via submission.[/quote]

what about Marquardt vs Almeida part 2..remember the first when Renzo kicks Marquardt in the face after the fight.

[quote comment="224727"]Lesnar is a monster and he looks less and less like he is on roids every time I see him.[/quote]

I think the reason why he took so long to compete is to get the roids out of his system.

[quote post="4080"]I look at pro wrestlers as “clowns”.[/quote]

I’d compare wrestlers to traveling circus performers (maybe that’s what you mean). They’re not athletes, but it’s not an easy lifestyle. You have to be mentally and emotionally tough more than physically tough (just listen to Tank Abbott talk about it). You’re on the road pretty much year-round, year after year. It’s a grind. And a lot of people don’t make it out alive. And in wrestling, drugs are easily available, and provide an easy “out”, to relieve pain or stress or whatever.

[quote comment="224767"][quote post="4080"]I look at pro wrestlers as “clowns”.[/quote]

I’d compare wrestlers to traveling circus performers (maybe that’s what you mean). They’re not athletes, but it’s not an easy lifestyle. You have to be mentally and emotionally tough more than physically tough (just listen to Tank Abbott talk about it). You’re on the road pretty much year-round, year after year. It’s a grind. And a lot of people don’t make it out alive. And in wrestling, drugs are easily available, and provide an easy “out”, to relieve pain or stress or whatever.[/quote]
If you think professional wrestlers aren’t athletes you’re out of your mind. Most of them have enough athletic ability that they just as easily could have been professional football players or basketball players. The outcomes of the matches are scripted, but they endure a fair amount of pain every time out in normal matches and ridiculous, incomprehensible amounts of pain in specialty matches (ladder matches, cage matches, etc.) They really fall, they really get punched, they really get hit with chairs. The wrestling schools teach them how to fall properly and take punches the right way to minimize the pain, but that only does so much.

[quote comment="224604"][quote comment="224579"]Wait, why does Frank Mir have 3 stars and Brock Lesnar have 6 stars? it does mean something, can’t quite figure it out.[/quote]

That’s the life meter, much like a fighting game.[/quote]
LMAO o my god .. cant stop laughing

this card looks pretty crappy right now

[quote comment="224775"][quote comment="224767"][quote post="4080"]I look at pro wrestlers as “clowns”.[/quote]

I’d compare wrestlers to traveling circus performers (maybe that’s what you mean). They’re not athletes, but it’s not an easy lifestyle. You have to be mentally and emotionally tough more than physically tough (just listen to Tank Abbott talk about it). You’re on the road pretty much year-round, year after year. It’s a grind. And a lot of people don’t make it out alive. And in wrestling, drugs are easily available, and provide an easy “out”, to relieve pain or stress or whatever.[/quote]
If you think professional wrestlers aren’t athletes you’re out of your mind. Most of them have enough athletic ability that they just as easily could have been professional football players or basketball players. The outcomes of the matches are scripted, but they endure a fair amount of pain every time out in normal matches and ridiculous, incomprehensible amounts of pain in specialty matches (ladder matches, cage matches, etc.) They really fall, they really get punched, they really get hit with chairs. The wrestling schools teach them how to fall properly and take punches the right way to minimize the pain, but that only does so much.[/quote]

I agree with PW, I used to watch wrestling back in the day when I was a kid. The top rope and top of the cage acrobatics alone make them athelets if you consider gymnists athletes. And a lot of pro wrestlers are College Athletes that competed in football and/or wrestling. The outcomes are totally scripted and as of the last 10 years, its become more of a soap opera – I don’t know how anyone over the age of 16 can still watch it????

BUT, back in the day, Mick Foley was my favorite. He took INSANE amounts of punishment. Flaming, barbed wire bats to the face, hand cuffed and getting beaten senseless with a chair and kept getting up and running in cirles only to get smacked in the face with the chair again, getting throw off the Hell in the Cell vs Undertaker, thru the table, and STILL fights after being carried out on a stretcher (for real), getting choke slammed on the top of the Hell in a Cell all the way thru to the ring, landing on one chair, and the chair from the top of the cage landed on his face as well. Oh yeah, I think there were thumbtacks all over the ring by then. Back in the WCW Cactus Jack days he was fighting Vader, and Mick wanted to be Powerbombed outside of the ring, and have Vader move the matt away first, and slam him directly on the concrete. All the WCW executive didn’t want it, and especially Vader didn’t want to do it. But Mick insisted, and got F’d up! Back of the head and his back SLAMMED directly onto concrete by a 400 lb man.

OMG, did I REALLY just talk about wrestling that much?? SORRY about that. But out of all of the wrestlers – Mick Foley was the greatest as far as taking true punishment. Anyone can hit someone over the head with a chair. Its the wrestlers taking that chair shot, and not holding thier hand/s over their head, that I always respected.

it would be nice if these events all ready had the main events for them before the fans spend their hard earned cash on a half empty cards

I think wrestlers are more stuntmen than athletes. What they do is “athletic”, but something like ballet requires athleticism as well, that doesn’t make them athletes. I think of athletes in the competitive sense. For me to consider someone an athlete, they have to compete in a real sport. Okay, a lot of pro wrestlers qualify as athletes, but just being a pro wrestler does not make someone an athlete.

“Mick Foley was the greatest as far as taking true punishment”
I agree, mick foley is the king of hardcore fighting/wrestling. But I can’t wait for this mir vs Lesnar fight. I knew they wouldn’t put lesnar in warm up matches because he wouldn’t of come cheap. Both men are stepping up here… Brock is taking on the former champ and Mir is taking on a beast of a man with some of the best wrestling credentials around. I know for sure I wouldn’t want to be locked in a cage with lesnar… I am picking brock wins this one in the first round, If Mir was pre-accident state I might pick differently tho.

When I first heard about Lesnar coming to the UFC I thought it was a joke. But the more I heard about him and his wrestling (real wrestling) background I figured why not give him a fight in the UFC. Then they went and gave him a fight against a former champ as the main event. I dont care if he does go in there and tear Mir apart, he dosnt deserve this much hype he should have to earn it like the rest. If I were someone like Griffin, Marcus Davis, or evan Leban I would be offended. Why does he get to come in with only one fight and get all this special attention. Lesnar needs to pay his dues. Just to make it clear I got nothing against Lesnar I hope he is as amazing as he is supposed to be I just think its disrespectful to all of the fighters who have comitted their lives to the sport and dont evan have their fights telivised. I dont think the fact he was in the wwe makes him a joke, what im bothered with is that the only reason he is in the ufc is because he was in the wwe.

I hope Mir knocks Brock out for talking crap.