[quote comment=”221070″]If Anderson Silva fought Bruce Lee today..it would be wrap for Mr.Lee.[/quote]
Bruce invented MMA - he would have evolved along with everyone else in the sport and wouldn’t be like used to be (back when he was better than everyone else 20 years ago). He’d be more evolved and better than everyone else now - but of course he’d be in the 135lb weight class though - that dude was tiny.
[quote comment=”221092″][quote comment=”221070″]If Anderson Silva fought Bruce Lee today..it would be wrap for Mr.Lee.[/quote]
Bruce invented MMA - he would have evolved along with everyone else in the sport and wouldn’t be like used to be (back when he was better than everyone else 20 years ago). He’d be more evolved and better than everyone else now - but of course he’d be in the 135lb weight class though - that dude was tiny.
Silva cracked me up though.[/quote]
Bruce invented MMA?? Dude their have MMA fights as far back as the count of combat ” Maeda “in the late 1800’s/earlt 1900’s..in Brazil alone there were fights..from like the 1930’s..and 50’s..
BEST VIDEO IN A WHILE!!! That shit was hilarious! Anderson Silva is probably number 1 or 2 when it comes to my favorite fighters. He respects the sport, respects his opponents, takes nothing, for granted, stays healthy and injury free, and finishes fights. Cant get any better than that.
[quote post=”4050″]Bruce invented MMA?? Dude their have MMA fights as far back as the count of combat ” Maeda “in the late 1800’s/earlt 1900’s..in Brazil alone there were fights..from like the 1930’s..and 50’s..
an intresting match up Bruce Lee vs BJ Penn [/quote]
If you want to get technical, it started with the ancient greeks with Pankration between around 650 B.C. I think what Eden machine was referring to was the beginning of modern MMA, incorporating multiple styles into a fighters training, not just staying with one disipline. Bruce Lee really was the first to do this sucessfully and actually stirred up some controversy back in the day by doing so.
Anderson would probably beat Bruce Lee in his prime, in my opinion at least.
As for what weight he would have fought at, well that’s a tough one. His weight fluctuated. In 1970 he was 155 pounds. In 1972 he weighed 146 pounds. During the filming of Enter the Dragon he was underweight and not at the peak of his health; he was 135 lbs. At least 20 lbs lighter than his heavyiest healthy weight.
Shortly afterwards his weight rapidly fell to 126 pounds. He was very sickly looking and had reportedly only 1% bodyfat (Is that even possible?). He was gaunt and wiry. He died shortly after. Most likely it was that damn Nepalese Hashish.
Anyways back to the point at hand, what weight division. Probably 145lbs. At 135lbs he was unwell so I’d rule that out. He was 5′7″ btw.
With the obvious lack of competition in the middle weight division Silva has taken up impressions to liven up his otherwise mundane existence. Must be nice to be on top!!
[quote comment=”221162″][quote post=”4050″]Bruce invented MMA?? Dude their have MMA fights as far back as the count of combat ” Maeda “in the late 1800’s/earlt 1900’s..in Brazil alone there were fights..from like the 1930’s..and 50’s..
an intresting match up Bruce Lee vs BJ Penn [/quote]
If you want to get technical, it started with the ancient greeks with Pankration between around 650 B.C. I think what Eden machine was referring to was the beginning of modern MMA, incorporating multiple styles into a fighters training, not just staying with one disipline. Bruce Lee really was the first to do this sucessfully and actually stirred up some controversy back in the day by doing so.[/quote]
I was more referring to modern age era..thx bringing me back though..I look at the MMA sport..I see what ur saying..but I think him training in different styles and fighting systems to be a complete martial artist is not the point. He never competed in Valetudo/MMa events..(none that I know about).
Maeda and the Gracies even though did little to no cross training..They were and are just Jijitsu fighters..they competed in ValeTudo/MMa events. Just my opinion where everyone is open to disagree..I feel the Gracie Family had a much more significant affect on our modern day concept of MMa than did the legend of Bruce Lee. MMa is because grappling (BJJ)blew up in the 90’s here in the US..Japan..and Europe..but in Brazil they held valetudo events b4 Bruce Lee was born.
I must correct myself, well actually add to it. Apparently Bruce’s weight went up to 165 lbs!!!He did some serious lifting but wasn’t pleased with the effects on his speed and performance that the added mass caused.
[quote comment=”221104″]BEST VIDEO IN A WHILE!!! That shit was hilarious! Anderson Silva is probably number 1 or 2 when it comes to my favorite fighters. He respects the sport, respects his opponents, takes nothing, for granted, stays healthy and injury free, and finishes fights. Cant get any better than that.[/quote]
[quote comment=”221074″]Silva is the only ufc Champ with no confict in number of title defenses..status..health..God bless and long live the greatest Mw ufc champ ever.[/quote]
thats true to a certain extent cuz remember the travis lutter fight, silva had surgury on both knees and he still came back quick and fought and won loll he’s default!!!
That was fricken highlarious. I can’t wait till this guy can speak some english, he seems like a really funny dude. Till then, I can’t wait until he kicks the crap of the next guy.
[quote comment=”221092″][quote comment=”221070″]If Anderson Silva fought Bruce Lee today..it would be wrap for Mr.Lee.[/quote]
Bruce invented MMA - he would have evolved along with everyone else in the sport and wouldn’t be like used to be (back when he was better than everyone else 20 years ago). He’d be more evolved and better than everyone else now - but of course he’d be in the 135lb weight class though - that dude was tiny.
Silva cracked me up though.[/quote]
People said the same thing about Royce Gracie before Matt Hughes proved that fighters have evolved
[quote post=”4050″]Maeda and the Gracies even though did little to no cross training..They were and are just Jijitsu fighters..they competed in ValeTudo/MMa events. Just my opinion where everyone is open to disagree..I feel the Gracie Family had a much more significant affect on our modern day concept of MMa than did the legend of Bruce Lee. MMa is because grappling (BJJ)blew up in the 90’s here in the US..Japan..and Europe..but in Brazil they held valetudo events b4 Bruce Lee was born. [/quote
A lot of good points, Phil. I don’t disagree at all the the Gracie Family had as much to do with the popularity of MMA. But I think without Lee first introducing martial arts to modern culture, the MMA sport would not have had its first toe hold to grow from. As you have said Valetudo has been around, but never gained mainstream attention. On a side note, bruce never competed professionally, but did compete undefeated in amateur boxing and several karate tournaments.
[quote comment=”221332″][quote comment=”221092″][quote comment=”221070″]If Anderson Silva fought Bruce Lee today..it would be wrap for Mr.Lee.[/quote]
Bruce invented MMA - he would have evolved along with everyone else in the sport and wouldn’t be like used to be (back when he was better than everyone else 20 years ago). He’d be more evolved and better than everyone else now - but of course he’d be in the 135lb weight class though - that dude was tiny.
Silva cracked me up though.[/quote]
People said the same thing about Royce Gracie before Matt Hughes proved that fighters have evolved[/quote]
im a royce fan..but even i new that it wasn’t going to be good for royce in there with hughes..but the i find it prety cool that what royce showed the world in the beginning of the ufc..is used today. ex: the guard.
[quote comment=”221618″]Bruce Lee has beaten Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, and last time I checked, Silva and Kareem have a similar style. So Case Closed.[/quote]
[quote comment=”221618″]Bruce Lee has beaten Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, and last time I checked, Silva and Kareem have a similar style. So Case Closed.[/quote]
Kareem was Bruce’s student. Kareem vs Bruce, only a movie. The original Mixed Martial Artist, Bruce was untouchable!
[quote comment=”221843″]Bruce was very good but was idolized and made out to be a god. He was like Royce, he only looked sooooo good cuz everyone else wasnt.[/quote]
ha….ha, yeh whateva - dood was the best - by far. Balance is one of the most important aspects of a fighter, even in this vid silva is all over the place, his limbs dont flex like lee’s (even if he is only messing around, he looks crap). Every mma guy has a bit of balance but there are only 1 maybe 2 people alive in MMA today that show solid balance - Fedor, he always ends up on top, his takedown defence is 99% - and like Lee, he clearly knows the balance of brute strength and speed, thats why he looks like he does, the other guy being GSP. n even these 2 guys couldnt give u a 1″ punch!
[quote comment=”222013″][quote comment=”221843″]Bruce was very good but was idolized and made out to be a god. He was like Royce, he only looked sooooo good cuz everyone else wasnt.[/quote]
ha….ha, yeh whateva - dood was the best - by far. Balance is one of the most important aspects of a fighter, even in this vid silva is all over the place, his limbs dont flex like lee’s (even if he is only messing around, he looks crap). Every mma guy has a bit of balance but there are only 1 maybe 2 people alive in MMA today that show solid balance - Fedor, he always ends up on top, his takedown defence is 99% - and like Lee, he clearly knows the balance of brute strength and speed, thats why he looks like he does, the other guy being GSP. n even these 2 guys couldnt give u a 1″ punch![/quote]
If Bruce Lee in his prime fought Rickson Gracie in his prime..I believe Bruce would sipping on that Nyquil Sryup.
Bruce Lee has to be given credit for breaking the discipline barrier. Instead of “which style is the best?”, Bruce wanted to combine the best elements of each style. Is that not the essence of mixed martial arts? JKD is far from perfect, but Bruce was the first ambassador of learning different disciplines. And in doing so, he made many enemies. That’s why there are so many theories about his death.
[quote comment=”221088″]I would LOVE to see Anderson Silva vs Bruce Lee… When bruce was alive in his prime obviously (not Silva beating up a corpse obviously)[/quote]
I was thinking the same thing seems unfair for him to fight Bruce now. Bruce wouldn’t even make the weight requirements. Bruce in his prime (Enter the Dragon) would probably win but it would be a good fight.
[quote comment=”222060″]
If Bruce Lee in his prime fought Rickson Gracie in his prime..I believe Bruce would sipping on that Nyquil Sryup.[/quote]
I dunno. I don’t even know if Bruce was exposed to BJJ, but I don’t think he’d have a problem adding it to his arsenal. The dude was like clay, his fighting style constantly being molded. The thing is Bruce conditioned his body as if it was only made for one purpose: fighting.
You guys kill me, I was around in the 90’s when all this MMA shit started. It’s a sport that is all. Bruce Lee? Do you know anything about the man? He fought constantly because someone would always think they could kick his ass and challenge him. The man could win fights on speed alone. He also was extremely strong. Most of his training equipment was custom made and towards the end of his days he had it reinforced with leaf springs from cars. He was the embodiment of what a fighter wants to be, a human weapon. All the crazy shit you guys keep posting shows you haven’t even read a book on the man. You guys wanna be good fighters learn some history on the arts you are borrowing from and train. The goal is to be a better than the last man and learn from their mistakes. And did you know that the first UFC had opponents the Gracies picked to promote their so called BJJ (which is still just Ju-Jitsu without the standing throws, most americans just have no idea). And yes I am a MMA fighter I was among some of the first in the 90s. And yes I was good, I just grew up and decided to fight for my country instead. So guys just do yourselves a favor stop talking shit and show your elder fighters respet. You wouldn’t have MMA if not for them. Besides it is just unprofessional
[quote comment=”222298″][quote comment=”222060″]
If Bruce Lee in his prime fought Rickson Gracie in his prime..I believe Bruce would sipping on that Nyquil Sryup.[/quote]
I dunno. I don’t even know if Bruce was exposed to BJJ, but I don’t think he’d have a problem adding it to his arsenal. The dude was like clay, his fighting style constantly being molded. The thing is Bruce conditioned his body as if it was only made for one purpose: fighting.[/quote]
[quote comment=”222296″][quote comment=”221088″]I would LOVE to see Anderson Silva vs Bruce Lee… When bruce was alive in his prime obviously (not Silva beating up a corpse obviously)[/quote]
I was thinking the same thing seems unfair for him to fight Bruce now. Bruce wouldn’t even make the weight requirements. Bruce in his prime (Enter the Dragon) would probably win but it would be a good fight.[/quote]
Well this match up could of taking place in Japan. Or just a open weight division. but if Bruce is 155/160 I like to see him fight the prodigy.
[quote comment=”222302″]Don’t get too caught up in the legend of Bruce Lee. I reckon Anderson would have a good go
And in a fantasy fight, Helio Gracie and probably a few Gracie’s would kick Bruce Lee’s ass anytime of the week :)[/quote]
Seriously, seriously wrong! Bruce was well versed in submissions and grappling, ever hear of a living legend named “Judo” Gene LaBelle? Designed and inovated grappling and submission moves and was a training partner of Bruce Lee’s. What ever the Gracie’s know, Bruce was already 2 moves ahead!
He punched harder than most heavy-weight boxers and with his speed no Gracie on the planet could keep up and their glass jaws wouldn’t last!
WRONG ALL! Bruce would have played with the likes of Rickson Gracie, Anderson Silva, Matt Hughes, etc. Remember people like Dan Inosanto has seen them all as they say , top MMA guys, top guys in all arts, etc; who does he say is the best he has ever seen - Bruce Lee! Who does he say that overall as a martial artist there will never be anyone to surpass him in the future, he was that rare a talent. Richard Bstillo, etc have said the same thing too.
Remember also Erik Paulson, Paul Vunak, Ron Balicki (Ron / Erik competed in MMA), etc are all complete jokes compared to Bruce Lee as a fighter or martial artist & they will tell you that themselves, it puts Bruce’s skill level into perspective.
[quote comment=”221201″][quote comment=”221162″][quote post=”4050″]Bruce invented MMA?? Dude their have MMA fights as far back as the count of combat ” Maeda “in the late 1800’s/earlt 1900’s..in Brazil alone there were fights..from like the 1930’s..and 50’s..
an intresting match up Bruce Lee vs BJ Penn [/quote]
If you want to get technical, it started with the ancient greeks with Pankration between around 650 B.C. I think what Eden machine was referring to was the beginning of modern MMA, incorporating multiple styles into a fighters training, not just staying with one disipline. Bruce Lee really was the first to do this sucessfully and actually stirred up some controversy back in the day by doing so.[/quote]
I was more referring to modern age era..thx bringing me back though..I look at the MMA sport..I see what ur saying..but I think him training in different styles and fighting systems to be a complete martial artist is not the point. He never competed in Valetudo/MMa events..(none that I know about).
Maeda and the Gracies even though did little to no cross training..They were and are just Jijitsu fighters..they competed in ValeTudo/MMa events. Just my opinion where everyone is open to disagree..I feel the Gracie Family had a much more significant affect on our modern day concept of MMa than did the legend of Bruce Lee. MMa is because grappling (BJJ)blew up in the 90’s here in the US..Japan..and Europe..but in Brazil they held valetudo events b4 Bruce Lee was born.[/quote]
There’s a reason why Valetudo goes back before Bruce’s birth. The Japanese population in South America is the largest outside of Japan. That said, it’s not surprising to see the influence of Japanese martial arts. Remember, Capoeria was in Brazil centuries before Bruce. Bruce isn’t the first nor the last martial artist. But Bruce did studied vale tudo under Gene Labelle and Wally Jay. Both were Ju Jitsu experts.
Bottom line is this. Martial Arts “existed” hundreds of years before Lee, but it was Lee who made it known in every corner of the planet. Noboby gave a damn about even Karate which was far more mainstream than anything happening in Brazil. Lee took it global and did it, not only with a few low budget movies from Golden Harvest and ETD, but through tireless promotion of the arts in other forums like books, personal appearances, interviews and training other legends.
Outside of Brazil who even cared about BJJ? The Gracies made BBJ popular in the 90s but Lee’s foundation had already opened the door globally. Imagine the gracie’s bring BBJ to American without Lee’s influence. It would have fizzled. Karate had been in America for decades, nobody cared until Bruce Lee.
Lee trained with Labell and have a young Labell cleaning any Gracies clock you can name, including Hickson. Funny that with all their challenges, and the fact Labell never turned one down, they never fought.
[quote comment=”394253″][quote comment=”221201″][quote comment=”221162″][quote post=”4050″]Bruce invented MMA?? Dude their have MMA fights as far back as the count of combat ” Maeda “in the late 1800’s/earlt 1900’s..in Brazil alone there were fights..from like the 1930’s..and 50’s..
an intresting match up Bruce Lee vs BJ Penn [/quote]
If you want to get technical, it started with the ancient greeks with Pankration between around 650 B.C. I think what Eden machine was referring to was the beginning of modern MMA, incorporating multiple styles into a fighters training, not just staying with one disipline. Bruce Lee really was the first to do this sucessfully and actually stirred up some controversy back in the day by doing so.[/quote]
I was more referring to modern age era..thx bringing me back though..I look at the MMA sport..I see what ur saying..but I think him training in different styles and fighting systems to be a complete martial artist is not the point. He never competed in Valetudo/MMa events..(none that I know about).
Maeda and the Gracies even though did little to no cross training..They were and are just Jijitsu fighters..they competed in ValeTudo/MMa events. Just my opinion where everyone is open to disagree..I feel the Gracie Family had a much more significant affect on our modern day concept of MMa than did the legend of Bruce Lee. MMa is because grappling (BJJ)blew up in the 90’s here in the US..Japan..and Europe..but in Brazil they held valetudo events b4 Bruce Lee was born.[/quote]
There’s a reason why Valetudo goes back before Bruce’s birth. The Japanese population in South America is the largest outside of Japan. That said, it’s not surprising to see the influence of Japanese martial arts. Remember, Capoeria was in Brazil centuries before Bruce. Bruce isn’t the first nor the last martial artist. But Bruce did studied vale tudo under Gene Labelle and Wally Jay. Both were Ju Jitsu experts.[/quote]
Nah, mixed martial arts didn’t start in Greece. While there was barbaric combat there, mixed martial arts started centuries before the Greeks even became a society. If anything, the Indians of India taught the Greeks martial arts. Asian citizens have always traveled to different countries studying other martial arts and combats in tournaments have been going in this places way before the Greeks. What is a joke to me i how some try to claim martial arts came from out of Greece. Get real.
If Anderson Silva fought Bruce Lee today..it would be wrap for Mr.Lee.
Silva is the only ufc Champ with no confict in number of title defenses..status..health..God bless and long live the greatest Mw ufc champ ever.
LOL
whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
Funny Stuff!!! Anderson is the man!!!
Great impression. Had me cracking up at work.
I would LOVE to see Anderson Silva vs Bruce Lee… When bruce was alive in his prime obviously (not Silva beating up a corpse obviously)
I saw this last week on the Bonus Section of UFC 73. I was laughing hysterical.
[quote comment=”221070″]If Anderson Silva fought Bruce Lee today..it would be wrap for Mr.Lee.[/quote]
Bruce invented MMA - he would have evolved along with everyone else in the sport and wouldn’t be like used to be (back when he was better than everyone else 20 years ago). He’d be more evolved and better than everyone else now - but of course he’d be in the 135lb weight class though - that dude was tiny.
Silva cracked me up though.
[quote comment=”221092″][quote comment=”221070″]If Anderson Silva fought Bruce Lee today..it would be wrap for Mr.Lee.[/quote]
Bruce invented MMA - he would have evolved along with everyone else in the sport and wouldn’t be like used to be (back when he was better than everyone else 20 years ago). He’d be more evolved and better than everyone else now - but of course he’d be in the 135lb weight class though - that dude was tiny.
Silva cracked me up though.[/quote]
Bruce invented MMA?? Dude their have MMA fights as far back as the count of combat ” Maeda “in the late 1800’s/earlt 1900’s..in Brazil alone there were fights..from like the 1930’s..and 50’s..
an intresting match up Bruce Lee vs BJ Penn
BEST VIDEO IN A WHILE!!! That shit was hilarious! Anderson Silva is probably number 1 or 2 when it comes to my favorite fighters. He respects the sport, respects his opponents, takes nothing, for granted, stays healthy and injury free, and finishes fights. Cant get any better than that.
Anderson is one of the best, but come on…its bruce lee lol
Funny as hell I am still laughing trying to type.
hahah that was awesome
There is no way you cant like anderson silva. I dont know who to pick for him and henderson. Dan is one of my favorite fighters.
That was funny as hell.
[quote post=”4050″]Bruce invented MMA?? Dude their have MMA fights as far back as the count of combat ” Maeda “in the late 1800’s/earlt 1900’s..in Brazil alone there were fights..from like the 1930’s..and 50’s..
an intresting match up Bruce Lee vs BJ Penn [/quote]
If you want to get technical, it started with the ancient greeks with Pankration between around 650 B.C. I think what Eden machine was referring to was the beginning of modern MMA, incorporating multiple styles into a fighters training, not just staying with one disipline. Bruce Lee really was the first to do this sucessfully and actually stirred up some controversy back in the day by doing so.
so funny. LOL……….
I loved that it even cracked up the cameraman
Anderson would probably beat Bruce Lee in his prime, in my opinion at least.
As for what weight he would have fought at, well that’s a tough one. His weight fluctuated. In 1970 he was 155 pounds. In 1972 he weighed 146 pounds. During the filming of Enter the Dragon he was underweight and not at the peak of his health; he was 135 lbs. At least 20 lbs lighter than his heavyiest healthy weight.
Shortly afterwards his weight rapidly fell to 126 pounds. He was very sickly looking and had reportedly only 1% bodyfat (Is that even possible?). He was gaunt and wiry. He died shortly after. Most likely it was that damn Nepalese Hashish.
Anyways back to the point at hand, what weight division. Probably 145lbs. At 135lbs he was unwell so I’d rule that out. He was 5′7″ btw.
With the obvious lack of competition in the middle weight division Silva has taken up impressions to liven up his otherwise mundane existence. Must be nice to be on top!!
[quote comment=”221162″][quote post=”4050″]Bruce invented MMA?? Dude their have MMA fights as far back as the count of combat ” Maeda “in the late 1800’s/earlt 1900’s..in Brazil alone there were fights..from like the 1930’s..and 50’s..
an intresting match up Bruce Lee vs BJ Penn [/quote]
If you want to get technical, it started with the ancient greeks with Pankration between around 650 B.C. I think what Eden machine was referring to was the beginning of modern MMA, incorporating multiple styles into a fighters training, not just staying with one disipline. Bruce Lee really was the first to do this sucessfully and actually stirred up some controversy back in the day by doing so.[/quote]
I was more referring to modern age era..thx bringing me back though..I look at the MMA sport..I see what ur saying..but I think him training in different styles and fighting systems to be a complete martial artist is not the point. He never competed in Valetudo/MMa events..(none that I know about).
Maeda and the Gracies even though did little to no cross training..They were and are just Jijitsu fighters..they competed in ValeTudo/MMa events. Just my opinion where everyone is open to disagree..I feel the Gracie Family had a much more significant affect on our modern day concept of MMa than did the legend of Bruce Lee. MMa is because grappling (BJJ)blew up in the 90’s here in the US..Japan..and Europe..but in Brazil they held valetudo events b4 Bruce Lee was born.
I must correct myself, well actually add to it. Apparently Bruce’s weight went up to 165 lbs!!!He did some serious lifting but wasn’t pleased with the effects on his speed and performance that the added mass caused.
Best video ever! love his voice ahaha
[quote comment=”221104″]BEST VIDEO IN A WHILE!!! That shit was hilarious! Anderson Silva is probably number 1 or 2 when it comes to my favorite fighters. He respects the sport, respects his opponents, takes nothing, for granted, stays healthy and injury free, and finishes fights. Cant get any better than that.[/quote]
Couldn’t agree more.
Ha ha ha that was awesome. I love Anderson.
this guy has a good sense of humor
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hahaha. that was good. Funny stuff.
[quote comment=”221074″]Silva is the only ufc Champ with no confict in number of title defenses..status..health..God bless and long live the greatest Mw ufc champ ever.[/quote]
thats true to a certain extent cuz remember the travis lutter fight, silva had surgury on both knees and he still came back quick and fought and won loll he’s default!!!
p.s. bruce lee thing was hillariousssss
That was fricken highlarious. I can’t wait till this guy can speak some english, he seems like a really funny dude. Till then, I can’t wait until he kicks the crap of the next guy.
Hwwwwaaaaaaaaaaah!
what a champion
[quote comment=”221092″][quote comment=”221070″]If Anderson Silva fought Bruce Lee today..it would be wrap for Mr.Lee.[/quote]
Bruce invented MMA - he would have evolved along with everyone else in the sport and wouldn’t be like used to be (back when he was better than everyone else 20 years ago). He’d be more evolved and better than everyone else now - but of course he’d be in the 135lb weight class though - that dude was tiny.
Silva cracked me up though.[/quote]
People said the same thing about Royce Gracie before Matt Hughes proved that fighters have evolved
Using shirt as a numchucks this guys is amazing hahaha!
Nice to see the lighter side of such a fighting machine.
ummmhhhhhhhh….
[quote post=”4050″]Maeda and the Gracies even though did little to no cross training..They were and are just Jijitsu fighters..they competed in ValeTudo/MMa events. Just my opinion where everyone is open to disagree..I feel the Gracie Family had a much more significant affect on our modern day concept of MMa than did the legend of Bruce Lee. MMa is because grappling (BJJ)blew up in the 90’s here in the US..Japan..and Europe..but in Brazil they held valetudo events b4 Bruce Lee was born. [/quote
A lot of good points, Phil. I don’t disagree at all the the Gracie Family had as much to do with the popularity of MMA. But I think without Lee first introducing martial arts to modern culture, the MMA sport would not have had its first toe hold to grow from. As you have said Valetudo has been around, but never gained mainstream attention. On a side note, bruce never competed professionally, but did compete undefeated in amateur boxing and several karate tournaments.
[quote comment=”221332″][quote comment=”221092″][quote comment=”221070″]If Anderson Silva fought Bruce Lee today..it would be wrap for Mr.Lee.[/quote]
Bruce invented MMA - he would have evolved along with everyone else in the sport and wouldn’t be like used to be (back when he was better than everyone else 20 years ago). He’d be more evolved and better than everyone else now - but of course he’d be in the 135lb weight class though - that dude was tiny.
Silva cracked me up though.[/quote]
People said the same thing about Royce Gracie before Matt Hughes proved that fighters have evolved[/quote]
im a royce fan..but even i new that it wasn’t going to be good for royce in there with hughes..but the i find it prety cool that what royce showed the world in the beginning of the ufc..is used today. ex: the guard.
This Is The Best Video Ive Ever Seen.
Dan will feed him his teeth…
Bruce Lee has beaten Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, and last time I checked, Silva and Kareem have a similar style. So Case Closed.
all anderson need is simply dodge all bruce lee’s inch punch so he couldn’t get knocked out.then he’ll beat bruce => lol!
[quote comment=”221618″]Bruce Lee has beaten Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, and last time I checked, Silva and Kareem have a similar style. So Case Closed.[/quote]
wtf
F ing hilarious,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I didnt know Silva spoke Chinese ~~
Bruce was light years ahead of everybody, the ONLY man that beats Silva. JKD and Bruce Lee
[quote comment=”221618″]Bruce Lee has beaten Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, and last time I checked, Silva and Kareem have a similar style. So Case Closed.[/quote]
Kareem was Bruce’s student. Kareem vs Bruce, only a movie. The original Mixed Martial Artist, Bruce was untouchable!
Bruce was very good but was idolized and made out to be a god. He was like Royce, he only looked sooooo good cuz everyone else wasnt.
Hendo is going to eat Silva alive
[quote comment=”221843″]Bruce was very good but was idolized and made out to be a god. He was like Royce, he only looked sooooo good cuz everyone else wasnt.[/quote]
ha….ha, yeh whateva - dood was the best - by far. Balance is one of the most important aspects of a fighter, even in this vid silva is all over the place, his limbs dont flex like lee’s (even if he is only messing around, he looks crap). Every mma guy has a bit of balance but there are only 1 maybe 2 people alive in MMA today that show solid balance - Fedor, he always ends up on top, his takedown defence is 99% - and like Lee, he clearly knows the balance of brute strength and speed, thats why he looks like he does, the other guy being GSP. n even these 2 guys couldnt give u a 1″ punch!
[quote comment=”222013″][quote comment=”221843″]Bruce was very good but was idolized and made out to be a god. He was like Royce, he only looked sooooo good cuz everyone else wasnt.[/quote]
ha….ha, yeh whateva - dood was the best - by far. Balance is one of the most important aspects of a fighter, even in this vid silva is all over the place, his limbs dont flex like lee’s (even if he is only messing around, he looks crap). Every mma guy has a bit of balance but there are only 1 maybe 2 people alive in MMA today that show solid balance - Fedor, he always ends up on top, his takedown defence is 99% - and like Lee, he clearly knows the balance of brute strength and speed, thats why he looks like he does, the other guy being GSP. n even these 2 guys couldnt give u a 1″ punch![/quote]
If Bruce Lee in his prime fought Rickson Gracie in his prime..I believe Bruce would sipping on that Nyquil Sryup.
Bruce Lee has to be given credit for breaking the discipline barrier. Instead of “which style is the best?”, Bruce wanted to combine the best elements of each style. Is that not the essence of mixed martial arts? JKD is far from perfect, but Bruce was the first ambassador of learning different disciplines. And in doing so, he made many enemies. That’s why there are so many theories about his death.
[quote comment=”221088″]I would LOVE to see Anderson Silva vs Bruce Lee… When bruce was alive in his prime obviously (not Silva beating up a corpse obviously)[/quote]
I was thinking the same thing seems unfair for him to fight Bruce now. Bruce wouldn’t even make the weight requirements. Bruce in his prime (Enter the Dragon) would probably win but it would be a good fight.
[quote comment=”221758″]F ing hilarious,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I didnt know Silva spoke Chinese ~~[/quote]
Hahahaha
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If Bruce Lee in his prime fought Rickson Gracie in his prime..I believe Bruce would sipping on that Nyquil Sryup.[/quote]
I dunno. I don’t even know if Bruce was exposed to BJJ, but I don’t think he’d have a problem adding it to his arsenal. The dude was like clay, his fighting style constantly being molded. The thing is Bruce conditioned his body as if it was only made for one purpose: fighting.
Don’t get too caught up in the legend of Bruce Lee. I reckon Anderson would have a good go
And in a fantasy fight, Helio Gracie and probably a few Gracie’s would kick Bruce Lee’s ass anytime of the week
You guys kill me, I was around in the 90’s when all this MMA shit started. It’s a sport that is all. Bruce Lee? Do you know anything about the man? He fought constantly because someone would always think they could kick his ass and challenge him. The man could win fights on speed alone. He also was extremely strong. Most of his training equipment was custom made and towards the end of his days he had it reinforced with leaf springs from cars. He was the embodiment of what a fighter wants to be, a human weapon. All the crazy shit you guys keep posting shows you haven’t even read a book on the man. You guys wanna be good fighters learn some history on the arts you are borrowing from and train. The goal is to be a better than the last man and learn from their mistakes. And did you know that the first UFC had opponents the Gracies picked to promote their so called BJJ (which is still just Ju-Jitsu without the standing throws, most americans just have no idea). And yes I am a MMA fighter I was among some of the first in the 90s. And yes I was good, I just grew up and decided to fight for my country instead. So guys just do yourselves a favor stop talking shit and show your elder fighters respet. You wouldn’t have MMA if not for them. Besides it is just unprofessional
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If Bruce Lee in his prime fought Rickson Gracie in his prime..I believe Bruce would sipping on that Nyquil Sryup.[/quote]
I dunno. I don’t even know if Bruce was exposed to BJJ, but I don’t think he’d have a problem adding it to his arsenal. The dude was like clay, his fighting style constantly being molded. The thing is Bruce conditioned his body as if it was only made for one purpose: fighting.[/quote]
Rickson Gracie.
[quote comment=”222296″][quote comment=”221088″]I would LOVE to see Anderson Silva vs Bruce Lee… When bruce was alive in his prime obviously (not Silva beating up a corpse obviously)[/quote]
I was thinking the same thing seems unfair for him to fight Bruce now. Bruce wouldn’t even make the weight requirements. Bruce in his prime (Enter the Dragon) would probably win but it would be a good fight.[/quote]
Well this match up could of taking place in Japan. Or just a open weight division. but if Bruce is 155/160 I like to see him fight the prodigy.
[quote comment=”222302″]Don’t get too caught up in the legend of Bruce Lee. I reckon Anderson would have a good go
And in a fantasy fight, Helio Gracie and probably a few Gracie’s would kick Bruce Lee’s ass anytime of the week :)[/quote]
Seriously, seriously wrong! Bruce was well versed in submissions and grappling, ever hear of a living legend named “Judo” Gene LaBelle? Designed and inovated grappling and submission moves and was a training partner of Bruce Lee’s. What ever the Gracie’s know, Bruce was already 2 moves ahead!
He punched harder than most heavy-weight boxers and with his speed no Gracie on the planet could keep up and their glass jaws wouldn’t last!
WRONG ALL! Bruce would have played with the likes of Rickson Gracie, Anderson Silva, Matt Hughes, etc. Remember people like Dan Inosanto has seen them all as they say , top MMA guys, top guys in all arts, etc; who does he say is the best he has ever seen - Bruce Lee! Who does he say that overall as a martial artist there will never be anyone to surpass him in the future, he was that rare a talent. Richard Bstillo, etc have said the same thing too.
Remember also Erik Paulson, Paul Vunak, Ron Balicki (Ron / Erik competed in MMA), etc are all complete jokes compared to Bruce Lee as a fighter or martial artist & they will tell you that themselves, it puts Bruce’s skill level into perspective.
[quote comment=”221201″][quote comment=”221162″][quote post=”4050″]Bruce invented MMA?? Dude their have MMA fights as far back as the count of combat ” Maeda “in the late 1800’s/earlt 1900’s..in Brazil alone there were fights..from like the 1930’s..and 50’s..
an intresting match up Bruce Lee vs BJ Penn [/quote]
If you want to get technical, it started with the ancient greeks with Pankration between around 650 B.C. I think what Eden machine was referring to was the beginning of modern MMA, incorporating multiple styles into a fighters training, not just staying with one disipline. Bruce Lee really was the first to do this sucessfully and actually stirred up some controversy back in the day by doing so.[/quote]
I was more referring to modern age era..thx bringing me back though..I look at the MMA sport..I see what ur saying..but I think him training in different styles and fighting systems to be a complete martial artist is not the point. He never competed in Valetudo/MMa events..(none that I know about).
Maeda and the Gracies even though did little to no cross training..They were and are just Jijitsu fighters..they competed in ValeTudo/MMa events. Just my opinion where everyone is open to disagree..I feel the Gracie Family had a much more significant affect on our modern day concept of MMa than did the legend of Bruce Lee. MMa is because grappling (BJJ)blew up in the 90’s here in the US..Japan..and Europe..but in Brazil they held valetudo events b4 Bruce Lee was born.[/quote]
There’s a reason why Valetudo goes back before Bruce’s birth. The Japanese population in South America is the largest outside of Japan. That said, it’s not surprising to see the influence of Japanese martial arts. Remember, Capoeria was in Brazil centuries before Bruce. Bruce isn’t the first nor the last martial artist. But Bruce did studied vale tudo under Gene Labelle and Wally Jay. Both were Ju Jitsu experts.
You don’t seem to be understanding.
Bottom line is this. Martial Arts “existed” hundreds of years before Lee, but it was Lee who made it known in every corner of the planet. Noboby gave a damn about even Karate which was far more mainstream than anything happening in Brazil. Lee took it global and did it, not only with a few low budget movies from Golden Harvest and ETD, but through tireless promotion of the arts in other forums like books, personal appearances, interviews and training other legends.
Outside of Brazil who even cared about BJJ? The Gracies made BBJ popular in the 90s but Lee’s foundation had already opened the door globally. Imagine the gracie’s bring BBJ to American without Lee’s influence. It would have fizzled. Karate had been in America for decades, nobody cared until Bruce Lee.
Lee trained with Labell and have a young Labell cleaning any Gracies clock you can name, including Hickson. Funny that with all their challenges, and the fact Labell never turned one down, they never fought.
[quote comment=”394253″][quote comment=”221201″][quote comment=”221162″][quote post=”4050″]Bruce invented MMA?? Dude their have MMA fights as far back as the count of combat ” Maeda “in the late 1800’s/earlt 1900’s..in Brazil alone there were fights..from like the 1930’s..and 50’s..
an intresting match up Bruce Lee vs BJ Penn [/quote]
If you want to get technical, it started with the ancient greeks with Pankration between around 650 B.C. I think what Eden machine was referring to was the beginning of modern MMA, incorporating multiple styles into a fighters training, not just staying with one disipline. Bruce Lee really was the first to do this sucessfully and actually stirred up some controversy back in the day by doing so.[/quote]
I was more referring to modern age era..thx bringing me back though..I look at the MMA sport..I see what ur saying..but I think him training in different styles and fighting systems to be a complete martial artist is not the point. He never competed in Valetudo/MMa events..(none that I know about).
Maeda and the Gracies even though did little to no cross training..They were and are just Jijitsu fighters..they competed in ValeTudo/MMa events. Just my opinion where everyone is open to disagree..I feel the Gracie Family had a much more significant affect on our modern day concept of MMa than did the legend of Bruce Lee. MMa is because grappling (BJJ)blew up in the 90’s here in the US..Japan..and Europe..but in Brazil they held valetudo events b4 Bruce Lee was born.[/quote]
There’s a reason why Valetudo goes back before Bruce’s birth. The Japanese population in South America is the largest outside of Japan. That said, it’s not surprising to see the influence of Japanese martial arts. Remember, Capoeria was in Brazil centuries before Bruce. Bruce isn’t the first nor the last martial artist. But Bruce did studied vale tudo under Gene Labelle and Wally Jay. Both were Ju Jitsu experts.[/quote]
Nah, mixed martial arts didn’t start in Greece. While there was barbaric combat there, mixed martial arts started centuries before the Greeks even became a society. If anything, the Indians of India taught the Greeks martial arts. Asian citizens have always traveled to different countries studying other martial arts and combats in tournaments have been going in this places way before the Greeks. What is a joke to me i how some try to claim martial arts came from out of Greece. Get real.
Anyone find it odd that the best fighter in the world …
Can’t do a proper side kick?