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	<title>Comments on: Randy Couture and Dana White to have dinner on Tuesday Nov. 20 (Audio)</title>
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		<title>By: 12121212</title>
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		<dc:creator>12121212</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 00:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so... is randy back?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so&#8230; is randy back?</p>
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		<title>By: UFC 81: &#8216;Breaking Point&#8217; at UFC blog for UFC news, results, videos, rumors, fights, pics and tickets &#8212; MMAmania.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>UFC 81: &#8216;Breaking Point&#8217; at UFC blog for UFC news, results, videos, rumors, fights, pics and tickets &#8212; MMAmania.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] To update an earlier report, White and Couture are scheduled to meet this week (if they haven&#8217;t already) after there was some miscommunication on a meeting that was supposed to happen the Tuesday (November 20) after UFC 78: &#8220;Validation.&#8221; We&#8217;ll provide an update on that situation when it becomes available. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] To update an earlier report, White and Couture are scheduled to meet this week (if they haven&#8217;t already) after there was some miscommunication on a meeting that was supposed to happen the Tuesday (November 20) after UFC 78: &#8220;Validation.&#8221; We&#8217;ll provide an update on that situation when it becomes available. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Garret</title>
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		<dc:creator>Garret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 02:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mania...Any word on the outcome of this dinner?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mania&#8230;Any word on the outcome of this dinner?</p>
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		<title>By: markg</title>
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		<dc:creator>markg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 11:34:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joke: who throws more 'F' bombs...... Dana or Hells Kitchen chef Gordon Ramsay...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joke: who throws more &#8216;F&#8217; bombs&#8230;&#8230; Dana or Hells Kitchen chef Gordon Ramsay&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: THORAZINE</title>
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		<dc:creator>THORAZINE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 09:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"ANOTHER WAY IT MIGHT GO DOWN"

RC: So what are you ordering Dana?
DW: Maybe the Quiche, what's up with the fucken' contract Randy?
RC: Truthfully Dana?
DW: Fucken Truthfully.. yeah what the fuck else?
RC: Wellll.. I had to redecorate the house, vactions, Kim wants me to sell the hummer, she wants to start her own clothing line.
DW: long pause.....Fucken' bitch...
RC: What?
DW: I said fuck me! So that's what that shit was about?
RC: Also you pissed on my agent's shoes.
DW: Fuck that guy! Goddamn hummer's on Ebay? You loved that Hummer!
RC: I need a raise.
DW: Listen Randy I'm going to do you the biggest favor of your fucken life, I'm not going to give you one more penny. 
RC: I thought we were negotiating?
DW: After we toss down a few, you get your muscle ass back home, and tell her you're fighting and fuck all that it's all about me female crap. How's that sound Randy?
RC: You mean go back to the way it was?
DW: Fuck yeah... GnP and bustin faces and me telling the entire world how fucken' great you are! Just like old times.
RC: GnP sounds great, think she'll let me keep the hummer?
DW: Fuck the hummer... I'm giving you back your career. 
RC: Are you sure we can't negotiate?
DW: Not after that news conference no fucken way.
RC: How about after my next fight?
DW: I never say no to you Randy you know that. Listen, first we'll start off with you smashing Nog, he gets a big bonus if he wins his next fight but I'll give it to you, it's 100k when you pound the fuck out of Nog's face! 
RC: Dana, I heard Nogs bonus was 300K?
DW: Don't believe every fucken thing you hear Randy.
RC: So that's the deal then?
DW: Yeah, it's fucken' amazing, hey Randy I left my wallet at home can you get this?
RC: Why not?.. anything else?
DW: Yeah... waiter! another bottle of that Dom' it's on Randy!... We still friends?
RC: Do I have a choice Dana?
DW: You're my fucken kinda' fighter Randy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;ANOTHER WAY IT MIGHT GO DOWN&#8221;</p>
<p>RC: So what are you ordering Dana?<br />
DW: Maybe the Quiche, what&#8217;s up with the fucken&#8217; contract Randy?<br />
RC: Truthfully Dana?<br />
DW: Fucken Truthfully.. yeah what the fuck else?<br />
RC: Wellll.. I had to redecorate the house, vactions, Kim wants me to sell the hummer, she wants to start her own clothing line.<br />
DW: long pause&#8230;..Fucken&#8217; bitch&#8230;<br />
RC: What?<br />
DW: I said fuck me! So that&#8217;s what that shit was about?<br />
RC: Also you pissed on my agent&#8217;s shoes.<br />
DW: Fuck that guy! Goddamn hummer&#8217;s on Ebay? You loved that Hummer!<br />
RC: I need a raise.<br />
DW: Listen Randy I&#8217;m going to do you the biggest favor of your fucken life, I&#8217;m not going to give you one more penny.<br />
RC: I thought we were negotiating?<br />
DW: After we toss down a few, you get your muscle ass back home, and tell her you&#8217;re fighting and fuck all that it&#8217;s all about me female crap. How&#8217;s that sound Randy?<br />
RC: You mean go back to the way it was?<br />
DW: Fuck yeah&#8230; GnP and bustin faces and me telling the entire world how fucken&#8217; great you are! Just like old times.<br />
RC: GnP sounds great, think she&#8217;ll let me keep the hummer?<br />
DW: Fuck the hummer&#8230; I&#8217;m giving you back your career.<br />
RC: Are you sure we can&#8217;t negotiate?<br />
DW: Not after that news conference no fucken way.<br />
RC: How about after my next fight?<br />
DW: I never say no to you Randy you know that. Listen, first we&#8217;ll start off with you smashing Nog, he gets a big bonus if he wins his next fight but I&#8217;ll give it to you, it&#8217;s 100k when you pound the fuck out of Nog&#8217;s face!<br />
RC: Dana, I heard Nogs bonus was 300K?<br />
DW: Don&#8217;t believe every fucken thing you hear Randy.<br />
RC: So that&#8217;s the deal then?<br />
DW: Yeah, it&#8217;s fucken&#8217; amazing, hey Randy I left my wallet at home can you get this?<br />
RC: Why not?.. anything else?<br />
DW: Yeah&#8230; waiter! another bottle of that Dom&#8217; it&#8217;s on Randy!&#8230; We still friends?<br />
RC: Do I have a choice Dana?<br />
DW: You&#8217;re my fucken kinda&#8217; fighter Randy!</p>
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		<title>By: Thorazine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thorazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 04:58:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment="211534"]Thorazine said: "I agree with you on this and also disagree with you... Randy's principles were in the right place... however he'd didn't question things all the way through, in this world you can't get by on principle alone... you have to have the facts to back him up he made several big errors which led to him losing some of his credibility, he should have talked to Dana when he came back from filiming and had his facts and figures correct before he made a public statement."

I agree with you about the principles concept.  I also mentioned that he didn't articulate his case very well which is what you are pointing out as well so I see us in agreement there also.

I also believe that there is an explanation for why he set up his defense the way he did, namingly, he is not as skilled as the Fertittas and Dana (but mostly the Fertittas).  It appears the he felt the need to speak out against Kevin Iole who made Couture out to be making more money than he was thus discrediting Couture's claim.  Notice that is how he started out the press conference.  He also addressed the tacky Dana comments about his agent which also made Couture look bad. Couture decided to rebut that because that was disrespectful and Couture was tired of all the disrespect and that was a perfect example of Dana's inherent shadyness so he used it as part of his platform to build his "swimming up stream" claim. I see an honest guy who fought the way he knew how, whether it was polished or not, and he hoped his statements would be measured up against his reputation which at this point wasn't that of a Whiner, that is Tito's gig.  To this day Tito deals directly with the Fertittas and not Dana.

Bottomline-- At the risk of looking bad Couture spoke out and he learned a valuable lesson from it but so did Dana I hope.[/quote]

I see your point and that may be the insight into it, I also can see how others feel the total opposite, that Couture actually lied. However, maybe where we differ is not that Couture wasn't trying to be honest and did not have a legitimate beef. I'm placing a greater responsibility on Couture for being who he is as an MMAFighter/business person, he's not some backwoods yahoo. He has dealt publicly with political issues of MMA in the past as a spokesperson that has articulated perfectly the reasons why MMA should be a legalized sport. He's college educated, owns several small businesses around MMA and has successfully negotiated his contracts with the UFC in the past. Couture made multiple and careless errors in that one press conference which did not benefit anyone least of all himself. I agree with the principle but in the end it's what you do, that leaves it's mark. I feel his press conference errors revoling around $$$ figures greatly overshadowed anything Dana may have started with Kevin Iole. 

Hey everyone is entitled to 'screw up' no ones perfect... I hope Couture make amends one way or another and lets get back to what he does best... fighting'.

Now that I've said all that I'm the type of guy that can only go with information that is provided... if Couture or White comes out with new information about what happened I'm liable to sway my opinion. lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote comment=&#8221;211534&#8243;]Thorazine said: &#8220;I agree with you on this and also disagree with you&#8230; Randy&#8217;s principles were in the right place&#8230; however he&#8217;d didn&#8217;t question things all the way through, in this world you can&#8217;t get by on principle alone&#8230; you have to have the facts to back him up he made several big errors which led to him losing some of his credibility, he should have talked to Dana when he came back from filiming and had his facts and figures correct before he made a public statement.&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree with you about the principles concept.  I also mentioned that he didn&#8217;t articulate his case very well which is what you are pointing out as well so I see us in agreement there also.</p>
<p>I also believe that there is an explanation for why he set up his defense the way he did, namingly, he is not as skilled as the Fertittas and Dana (but mostly the Fertittas).  It appears the he felt the need to speak out against Kevin Iole who made Couture out to be making more money than he was thus discrediting Couture&#8217;s claim.  Notice that is how he started out the press conference.  He also addressed the tacky Dana comments about his agent which also made Couture look bad. Couture decided to rebut that because that was disrespectful and Couture was tired of all the disrespect and that was a perfect example of Dana&#8217;s inherent shadyness so he used it as part of his platform to build his &#8220;swimming up stream&#8221; claim. I see an honest guy who fought the way he knew how, whether it was polished or not, and he hoped his statements would be measured up against his reputation which at this point wasn&#8217;t that of a Whiner, that is Tito&#8217;s gig.  To this day Tito deals directly with the Fertittas and not Dana.</p>
<p>Bottomline&#8211; At the risk of looking bad Couture spoke out and he learned a valuable lesson from it but so did Dana I hope.[/quote]</p>
<p>I see your point and that may be the insight into it, I also can see how others feel the total opposite, that Couture actually lied. However, maybe where we differ is not that Couture wasn&#8217;t trying to be honest and did not have a legitimate beef. I&#8217;m placing a greater responsibility on Couture for being who he is as an MMAFighter/business person, he&#8217;s not some backwoods yahoo. He has dealt publicly with political issues of MMA in the past as a spokesperson that has articulated perfectly the reasons why MMA should be a legalized sport. He&#8217;s college educated, owns several small businesses around MMA and has successfully negotiated his contracts with the UFC in the past. Couture made multiple and careless errors in that one press conference which did not benefit anyone least of all himself. I agree with the principle but in the end it&#8217;s what you do, that leaves it&#8217;s mark. I feel his press conference errors revoling around $$$ figures greatly overshadowed anything Dana may have started with Kevin Iole. </p>
<p>Hey everyone is entitled to &#8217;screw up&#8217; no ones perfect&#8230; I hope Couture make amends one way or another and lets get back to what he does best&#8230; fighting&#8217;.</p>
<p>Now that I&#8217;ve said all that I&#8217;m the type of guy that can only go with information that is provided&#8230; if Couture or White comes out with new information about what happened I&#8217;m liable to sway my opinion. lol</p>
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		<title>By: roy</title>
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		<dc:creator>roy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 00:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment="211873"]Honestly, we can think of Barnett as a cheater, but he would prolly beat 90% of the Heavyweights, currently in the UFC. I say sign him with a stipulation that if he tests positiive again, his contract is to be terminated because there is nothing worse than the champion testing positive for roids.[/quote]

i am not for roids but 80% of the fighters are on them or have been, i sure he is as clean as the next guy.look at sherk gracia and plenty of others that have already tested positive and are not thrown out</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote comment=&#8221;211873&#8243;]Honestly, we can think of Barnett as a cheater, but he would prolly beat 90% of the Heavyweights, currently in the UFC. I say sign him with a stipulation that if he tests positiive again, his contract is to be terminated because there is nothing worse than the champion testing positive for roids.[/quote]</p>
<p>i am not for roids but 80% of the fighters are on them or have been, i sure he is as clean as the next guy.look at sherk gracia and plenty of others that have already tested positive and are not thrown out</p>
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		<title>By: nathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 00:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dinner and a movie???  hope dana's paying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dinner and a movie???  hope dana&#8217;s paying.</p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
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		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 23:25:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly, we can think of Barnett as a cheater, but he would prolly beat 90% of the Heavyweights, currently in the UFC. I say sign him with a stipulation that if he tests positiive again, his contract is to be terminated because there is nothing worse than the champion testing positive for roids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly, we can think of Barnett as a cheater, but he would prolly beat 90% of the Heavyweights, currently in the UFC. I say sign him with a stipulation that if he tests positiive again, his contract is to be terminated because there is nothing worse than the champion testing positive for roids.</p>
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		<title>By: roy</title>
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		<dc:creator>roy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 22:03:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment="211756"][quote comment="211168"]i found this on josh barnett, this is what he said:

Let's get straight to it and say that Randy did a phenomenal job at UFC 74 in defending his title. As a fan and a fellow Washingtonian I was happy to see him win. But as for the title itself -- it still sits in my house. No one in UFC ever beat me for it, and as far as I am concerned, no one in the UFC can be the heavyweight champion until they take that belt off of me in the cage.

At the post fight press conference, Dana White said "there isn't anyone in the world that can beat this guy" in reference to Randy. All this because Randy beat a guy that had less than ten fights and only one noteworthy win? That's not even a world championship level fight, let alone reason to proclaim the winner as "unbeatable". This comment was made even more ridiculous by the fact that I was standing right there, living proof that Randy Couture is definitely beatable.

"Unbeatable", Dana says. If he actually believes that, I'm more than willing to step into the cage and prove him wrong. It wouldn't even have to be for the belt. I already got the real belt. They can keep their pile of brass they purport as the UFC Heavyweight Title and put it on their next paper champ.[/quote]

This coming from a guy who lost to Pedro Rizzo in the UFC,  Randy Cotoure rearranged Rizzos face twice.  Of course he would like to fight randy for the title, but it wont happen barnett also was beaten three times by cro cop who was knocked out by gonzaga and ganzaga was litterally smashed by randy. do the math and he was stripped of his title for steroids which means he will always be viewed as a cheater.[/quote]

i would love to see barnett back in the ufc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote comment=&#8221;211756&#8243;][quote comment=&#8221;211168&#8243;]i found this on josh barnett, this is what he said:</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s get straight to it and say that Randy did a phenomenal job at UFC 74 in defending his title. As a fan and a fellow Washingtonian I was happy to see him win. But as for the title itself &#8212; it still sits in my house. No one in UFC ever beat me for it, and as far as I am concerned, no one in the UFC can be the heavyweight champion until they take that belt off of me in the cage.</p>
<p>At the post fight press conference, Dana White said &#8220;there isn&#8217;t anyone in the world that can beat this guy&#8221; in reference to Randy. All this because Randy beat a guy that had less than ten fights and only one noteworthy win? That&#8217;s not even a world championship level fight, let alone reason to proclaim the winner as &#8220;unbeatable&#8221;. This comment was made even more ridiculous by the fact that I was standing right there, living proof that Randy Couture is definitely beatable.</p>
<p>&#8220;Unbeatable&#8221;, Dana says. If he actually believes that, I&#8217;m more than willing to step into the cage and prove him wrong. It wouldn&#8217;t even have to be for the belt. I already got the real belt. They can keep their pile of brass they purport as the UFC Heavyweight Title and put it on their next paper champ.[/quote]</p>
<p>This coming from a guy who lost to Pedro Rizzo in the UFC,  Randy Cotoure rearranged Rizzos face twice.  Of course he would like to fight randy for the title, but it wont happen barnett also was beaten three times by cro cop who was knocked out by gonzaga and ganzaga was litterally smashed by randy. do the math and he was stripped of his title for steroids which means he will always be viewed as a cheater.[/quote]</p>
<p>i would love to see barnett back in the ufc</p>
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