BJ is right. IF they uphold the suspension and Dana lets him keep the belt the UFC becomes a sad joke, a league where cheaters can hold belts and not get stripped because they are buddies with the guy who runs the organization.

B.J is right.
When a fighter uses steriods I always look at them different.
And if it was up to me people wouldn’t get a 2nd chance.
You F-up, your out..

[quote post=”3782″]Here’s a snip from “The Prodigy:”
“If he did win the belt by cheating, that’s ridiculous. But he’s the one who has to live with it. Just like bodybuilding…. If guys are cheating, maybe there should be two divisions.”[/quote]
Ummmmm, Sherk didn’t win the belt from Hermes. But I guess I know what he’s saying. Also, Ruskie, nobody cares that you were 1st.

[quote comment=”204280″][quote post=”3782″]Here’s a snip from “The Prodigy:”
“If he did win the belt by cheating, that’s ridiculous. But he’s the one who has to live with it. Just like bodybuilding…. If guys are cheating, maybe there should be two divisions.”[/quote]
Ummmmm, Sherk didn’t win the belt from Hermes. But I guess I know what he’s saying. Also, Ruskie, nobody cares that you were 1st.[/quote]

I think he’s saying that Sherk has been on them even before the Hermes fight. In previous interviews Penn has stated that he always thought Sherk was juicing and just happened to get caught this time.

[quote comment=”204280″][quote post=”3782″]Here’s a snip from “The Prodigy:”
“If he did win the belt by cheating, that’s ridiculous. But he’s the one who has to live with it. Just like bodybuilding…. If guys are cheating, maybe there should be two divisions.”[/quote]
Ummmmm, Sherk didn’t win the belt from Hermes. But I guess I know what he’s saying. Also, Ruskie, nobody cares that you were 1st.[/quote]

bad morning?

I read the whole article, and didn’t see anything about BJ refusing a fight with a ‘found guilty’ Sherk.????

[quote comment=”204278″]B.J is right.
When a fighter uses steriods I always look at them different.
And if it was up to me people wouldn’t get a 2nd chance.
You F-up, your out..[/quote]

I also agree, If you get caught using roids, you should be banned from the UFC. That will clean this mess up fast. The UFC should implement a NO tolarence policy about steroid users. You get caught, fine, find another organization to fight in. If the UFC were to do that, the number of Steroid opolicy violaters would become significantly less than the NFL, Mlb and most olympic sports. It would help the UFC become more mainstream because it would be the sports organization that is taking the biggest stance against steroid abuse.

I agree with BJ. There is nothing worse in my oppinion than a steroid using cheater in sports. In combat sports, I believe it is so much worse because you are using an illegal supllement to fight and potential hurt another person. Even worse is a champion caught using roids. That is just ridiculous. There is no room for that in anty sport.

BJ is right, he shouldn’t fight Sherk, if he is caught using the banned substance. What kind of champion, cheats to defend his title? A pathetic one. Now I am not saying sherk is guilty, but if he is found to have used banned substances, while champion, then he disgraced himself, the UFC title, and the sport of mma, and he should be STRIPPED of the title, and should not deserve a title shot after serving his suspension, without working his way back up from the bottom of the division.

Dana, needs to step up, he is the president, with that title he will have to make tough decisions. If sherk is found guilty, he should be stripped and being the Champ, he deserves a harsher penalty than normal steroid users.

Dana is so sleezy, that he looks at this situation as a marketing opportunity, to down the line set up a big marketable fight between the interm champ and sherk. This fight will be marketed as a huge unification fight between sherk and Penn(assuming he beats stevenson) just like Hendo and Rampage’s unification fights was. But its not the same as that fight Hendo was a true PRIDE champion, Rampage was the true UFC champion, unifying those title’s ment something. The unification of the titles of a interim champ, and a steroid cheating champ would mean nothing in my oppinion, and I am happy bj HAS THE INTEGRITY TO STAND UP, speak out, and not accept this fight, if it where to occur. Dana, always looking for a big pay day out of a shitty situation.

On the other hand if Sherk is found innocent of the charges that he cheated in his title defense, then he deserves a shot at the interim champ. Personally, that interim champ title will be meaningless if sherk is found innocent in 2 weeks. It will be the 3rd week of November, BJ and stevenson arent scheduled to clash until January. What the hell will the point of that fight be if we all know that the champ sherk is innocent and wont even be suspended.

Dana needs to hold off on a decision, until the sherk situation is final because if sherk is found innocent in november, he should fight Penn at UFC 80 since it will be in January and he has more than enough time to train, especially since he is a fitness freak and is probably in great condition right now. If sherk is innocent, Penn shouldnt even waste his time fighting joe. Penn deserves a title shot, and if sherk is not suspended and found innocent, how can Penn vs. Jo be a title fight.

This hole situation stinks. Dana is making one bone head decision after an other. the steroid commision is unprofessional and idiotic.
Sherk is aq tool for defending the title once in 16 months.

I am so sick of this whole situation. I hope not to talk about it again until the csac comes out with a ruling.

Dude….. tons of respect to BJ. Im backing his decision 100%. If Sherk is found guilty and keeps his title, BJ is doing the right thing and UFC will mess up yet again. Dont give Sherk ::cough cheater cough:: the time of day. Power to the people BJ!!! Aooowww. Take the power back.

Well put john.
you and I agree 100%

There are some fighters I really liked. And then they got caught using steriods, and now I look at them completely different.

The UFC could take a big chunk out of the steroid abusers by randomly testing every fighter under contract a minimum of 5 times a year. It’s too easy for these guys to juice all through their training, then cycle off in time to test clean at post-fight tests.

[quote comment=”204311″]The UFC could take a big chunk out of the steroid abusers by randomly testing every fighter under contract a minimum of 5 times a year. It’s too easy for these guys to juice all through their training, then cycle off in time to test clean at post-fight tests.[/quote]

I agree completly..
They should be suprise tests aswell. There are alot of ways to flush-out your system. And with notice fighters can prepare for a test. If it is random then they will catch the sneaky users. Or at least help prevent steriod use in general.

I also agree with BJ. It just doesn’t seem possible that someone can maintain the physique that Sherk had without doing something “extra.” Add to that the test results and it really doesn’t look like Sherk is telling the truth. I know some people keep saying that he is innocent until proven guilty, but with a guy that is experienced in going on cycles and flushing out his system just in time, it is hard to prove him guilty. Clearly, he didnt do as good a job this time and got caught. I dont know how he intends to prove them wrong but I guess we will see.

[quote comment=”204318″][quote comment=”204311″]The UFC could take a big chunk out of the steroid abusers by randomly testing every fighter under contract a minimum of 5 times a year. It’s too easy for these guys to juice all through their training, then cycle off in time to test clean at post-fight tests.[/quote]

I agree completly..
They should be suprise tests aswell. There are alot of ways to flush-out your system. And with notice fighters can prepare for a test. If it is random then they will catch the sneaky users. Or at least help prevent steriod use in general.[/quote]
[quote comment=”204318″]

This is also right on. Its almost like they have it set up for guys to time it just right and skirt the system.

Well let me be the first person to disagree with everyone… I guess I just hate BJ Penn. So what is his plan for the lightweight division then. Cuase the way I see it. Sherk will be champ for awhile. Is BJ just going to wait in silence until the champ is dethroned and expect a tittle shot then? Or is he going to continue to fight all these nobodys. . . Well more power to BJ, he and his shit talking mouth can do what ever he wants. No skin off my back, I just think its silly is all. The whole thing is silly.

If they’re not going to strip sherk of the title then I hope he fights and loses.
If he retains the title even after being found guilty he better fight the next available card and defend the title 3 times a year, none of this 1 fight a year where he blankets his opponent in another successful lay and pray decision victory.
F*CK sherk

bj is scared of sherk,bj is trying to seem unbeatable at 155 and he knows that sherk would beat his ass sinceless,and trust me,sherk did not take roids

I agree with Penn. If Sherk is found guilty there is no reason for Penn to have to unify the title. He should be stripped like every other champ whose been busted.

And why is Dana complaining about the commission now? Sherk files for more time to put together his case, and the commission can’t use more time to review it? That’s a nice hypocritical double standard, and does nothing but try to shift blame for the delay on the CSAC.

And where was all this bitching when Barnett was popped? He was treated far worse, and with much less professionalism than Sherk is right now

[quote comment=”204348″]If they’re not going to strip sherk of the title then I hope he fights and loses.
If he retains the title even after being found guilty he better fight the next available card and defend the title 3 times a year, none of this 1 fight a year where he blankets his opponent in another successful lay and pray decision victory.
F*CK sherk[/quote]
[quote comment=”204348″]If they’re not going to strip sherk of the title then I hope he fights and loses.
If he retains the title even after being found guilty he better fight the next available card and defend the title 3 times a year, none of this 1 fight a year where he blankets his opponent in another successful lay and pray decision victory.
F*CK sherk[/quote]

can you tell who’s a fan of who’s??..LOL
im with you jesse”

BJ got schooled hard by Matt Hughes, who is a great wrestler and abnormally strong for his size. Sean Sherk is a smaller Matt Hughes, but possesses the same strengths and attributes that Hughes had which led to his victory over Penn, one of which being freakish endurance. Maybe I’m wrong, but I just get the feeling that Penn is ducking out of a fight he isn’t confident he would win by taking the “moral high road” on the steroids issue. LOL, even if Sherk was using do you actually think he would pop hot again? Right. Just play the hollier than thou card, dude.

my bad” i meant to post two different blogs.

What did BJ mean when he said “If guys are cheating, maybe there should be two divisions.”

In body building is there a division for juicers and a division for non-juicers?

BJ’s 100% right. If Sherk is found guilty he MUST be stripped of the belt - he CHEATED!!!!! If holding the fence gets you one point deducted, then taking steroids should get you at least 2 points deducted. Seeing that every single Sherk fight I can recall went to a decision, they should reverse everyone of those decisions deducting the 2 points from his score and finding out who the REAL winner of the fight was.

[quote comment=”204354″]BJ got schooled hard by Matt Hughes, who is a great wrestler and abnormally strong for his size. Sean Sherk is a smaller Matt Hughes, but possesses the same strengths and attributes that Hughes had which led to his victory over Penn, one of which being freakish endurance. Maybe I’m wrong, but I just get the feeling that Penn is ducking out of a fight he isn’t confident he would win by taking the “moral high road” on the steroids issue. LOL, even if Sherk was using do you actually think he would pop hot again? Right. Just play the hollier than thou card, dude.[/quote]
I thought BJ separated a rib and that was why he lost his 2nd fight with Hughes. BJ was clearly dominating that fight for 2 rounds and Hughes had no answer for BJ’s stand up. Plus, lets not forget that BJ destroyed Hughes at UFC 46. he subbed him in the 1st round. I don’t think BJ is ducking Sherk. I think BJ just wants a level playing field.

I think fighters who test positive should be subject to random testing throughout the year!
Franca admitted that he used and that he was hoping to clear his system before his fight, but failed to do so.

Penn is right - he shouldn’t have to put himself in the cage with someone who has been caught cheating. Props to Penn for making a statement!!

I agree with Penn and most of the ppl here , Im glad hes taking a stance and hope he stays with it …

I think Dana is a idiot for saying he wont take the belt regardless .. Why does he choose sides like he does? Hes taken belts before , why not now? Cause they are friends…

And you gotta love how Sherk says the trial is crippling his career cause he cant fight or do appearances etc .. Besides the FACT he brought all of this on hiself you KNOW Dana is taking care of him money wise…

That is just a fancy way of saying Penn gassed and got owned by Hughes.. Sure Penn won the first 2 rounds easy , but there were 3 rounds left and he couldnt take Hughes out , pretty simple.. Not sure why ppl wont let it die..

Its a fight ppl get hurt .. And that rib injury in the Hughes fight us a GREAT example of how ppl use exscuses for some fighters losses and not others .. I never see anyone take up for Crocop when he broke his rib against Kongo , Crocop easily domniated him the first round..

[quote comment=”204375″][quote comment=”204354″]BJ got schooled hard by Matt Hughes, who is a great wrestler and abnormally strong for his size. Sean Sherk is a smaller Matt Hughes, but possesses the same strengths and attributes that Hughes had which led to his victory over Penn, one of which being freakish endurance. Maybe I’m wrong, but I just get the feeling that Penn is ducking out of a fight he isn’t confident he would win by taking the “moral high road” on the steroids issue. LOL, even if Sherk was using do you actually think he would pop hot again? Right. Just play the hollier than thou card, dude.[/quote]
I thought BJ separated a rib and that was why he lost his 2nd fight with Hughes. BJ was clearly dominating that fight for 2 rounds and Hughes had no answer for BJ’s stand up. Plus, lets not forget that BJ destroyed Hughes at UFC 46. he subbed him in the 1st round. I don’t think BJ is ducking Sherk. I think BJ just wants a level playing field.[/quote]

DON’tYOU all see that DANa White is full off bull!!!
LOOK at Randy C.
and now this?
Maybe Dana is Bi-Polar
cuz he turns 360 degrees on you faster than Brock lessner can do to you on the ground!

DANA should be kicked out of the ufc for being so stupid i mean relly what more can he do yeah yeah he helped for awhile i guess but now DAna makes the UFC look worse and worse.
and all you hatters hating on Randy C. about not finishing his contract !! i seee none , 0 none of you saying the same thing about ken Shamrock, who is just trying to finish his contract!!!

YOU all turning into DAna or what?!?!?
UPSET, I am

[quote comment=”204354″]BJ got schooled hard by Matt Hughes, who is a great wrestler and abnormally strong for his size. Sean Sherk is a smaller Matt Hughes, but possesses the same strengths and attributes that Hughes had which led to his victory over Penn, one of which being freakish endurance. Maybe I’m wrong, but I just get the feeling that Penn is ducking out of a fight he isn’t confident he would win by taking the “moral high road” on the steroids issue. LOL, even if Sherk was using do you actually think he would pop hot again? Right. Just play the hollier than thou card, dude.[/quote]
Bj should ask for Sherk to be tested every month for the 3-4 month training prior to their fight…..

[quote comment=”204375″][quote comment=”204354″]BJ got schooled hard by Matt Hughes, who is a great wrestler and abnormally strong for his size. Sean Sherk is a smaller Matt Hughes, but possesses the same strengths and attributes that Hughes had which led to his victory over Penn, one of which being freakish endurance. Maybe I’m wrong, but I just get the feeling that Penn is ducking out of a fight he isn’t confident he would win by taking the “moral high road” on the steroids issue. LOL, even if Sherk was using do you actually think he would pop hot again? Right. Just play the hollier than thou card, dude.[/quote]
I thought BJ separated a rib and that was why he lost his 2nd fight with Hughes. BJ was clearly dominating that fight for 2 rounds and Hughes had no answer for BJ’s stand up. Plus, lets not forget that BJ destroyed Hughes at UFC 46. he subbed him in the 1st round. I don’t think BJ is ducking Sherk. I think BJ just wants a level playing field.[/quote]
rib ……or gassed, penn threw every but the kitchen sink at hughes and he survived, the dude is strong and I thought he was getting out of the choke at the end of the round. One could argue back and forth, hughes was getting a beating until the rib, but the truth is hughes is a cardio freak and I’m postive he would have beaten penn anyway in the later rounds if he didn’t get submitted. Sherk is similar to hughes, very strong, good wrestler, cardio freak and cardio is penn’s biggest weakness I’m pretty sure he’s nervous about sherks cardio and tempo he’s able to maintain the entire fight. Don’t get me wrong I actually think penn is one of, if not the most talented mma fighters out there , its just he isn’t the total package but I think if he got his cardio and strength to match his talent he would be as unbeatable as possible for a fighter.

Good for BJ! Here is what Dana needs to do if Sherk is found guilty:
1. Strip him of his Title for crying out loud!
2. Suspend him for a year, however make the start date, start when the first CSAC hearing was supposed to happen. Don’t penalize Sherk for the stupid CSAC dragging their feet.
Thoughts???

I have to disagree with BJ and I guess everyone else here. If the CSAC finds Sherk guilty, is he then 100% without a doubt guilty? No. You guys are putting too much faith in the CSAC. If they overturn their ruling, right or wrong, they will open the floodgates for others to appeal. Do you think they would rather save themselves and hang Sherk out to dry or put themselves at fault?

I am glad Dana did not strip the title. It is obvious that the CSAC has problems in their procedures. One lab said Baroni’s sample was doped and another one said the same sample was not. Two of the board members agreed with Baroni.

This should cast doubt in the minds of most reasonable people.

[quote comment=”204311″]The UFC could take a big chunk out of the steroid abusers by randomly testing every fighter under contract a minimum of 5 times a year. It’s too easy for these guys to juice all through their training, then cycle off in time to test clean at post-fight tests.[/quote]

right on the money….great idea

[quote comment=”204349″]bj is scared of sherk,bj is trying to seem unbeatable at 155 and he knows that sherk would beat his ass sinceless,and trust me,sherk did not take roids[/quote]
???than how did he test positive?

[quote post=”3782″]I have to disagree with BJ and I guess everyone else here. If the CSAC finds Sherk guilty, is he then 100% without a doubt guilty?[/quote]
A positive A sample, a positive B sample and an appeal hearing is 100% without a doubt guilty.

Just look at Sherk. He doesn’t look that way from just creatine and natural supplements the dude is juicing and if Dana can’t see it it’s because he doesn’t want to. The guy is a cheater and if he gets off than Hermes Franca should get off and bonnar should have never been suspended because this guy is obvious. The only thing I could think when I was watching his last pay per view is god this guy has got to be juicing. Well the truth came out and now he is trying to lie his way out of a one year suspension and Dana is showing favoritism to a friend. So I guess my advise to UFC fighters is if you want special treatment that no one else in the organization get’s, develope a good frienship with Dana The Douche and you will get a get out of jail free card like Sherk may.

[quote comment=”204389″]Here is what Dana needs to do if Sherk is found guilty:
1. Strip him of his Title for crying out loud!
2. Suspend him for a year, however make the start date, start when the first CSAC hearing was supposed to happen. Don’t penalize Sherk for the stupid CSAC dragging their feet.
Thoughts???[/quote]

[sarcasm on] I think a fair punishment would be to make him fight St Pierre again [sarcasm off]

I forgot to mention that BJ Penn looks like a munguloid, lol.

[quote comment=”204386″]DON’tYOU all see that DANa White is full off bull!!!
LOOK at Randy C.
and now this?
Maybe Dana is Bi-Polar
cuz he turns 360 degrees on you faster than Brock lessner can do to you on the ground!

DANA should be kicked out of the ufc for being so stupid i mean relly what more can he do yeah yeah he helped for awhile i guess but now DAna makes the UFC look worse and worse.
and all you hatters hating on Randy C. about not finishing his contract !! i seee none , 0 none of you saying the same thing about ken Shamrock, who is just trying to finish his contract!!!

YOU all turning into DAna or what?!?!?
UPSET, I am[/quote]

I agree totally. Dana is not very professional in his comments. He speaks before he thinks. He definately picks and chooses who he wants promoted to the top of the sport. Not to say any of the fights are rigged but he influences Joe Silva’s match ups and then if one of his “boys” happen to get beat then he always has an excuse to convey to the public.

BJ is definitely being a coward here. If he beats Sherk, he’ll make just as much money and gain just as much respect as if Sherk hadn’t been juicing- more perhaps. Saying that he won’t fight Sherk if he has juiced in the past is admitting that he (BJ) is afraid of losing to Sherk, and does not feel the need to show him his respect as a UFC Champion. I also remember BJ nonsensically walking away from the UFC Welterweight belt, and that was essentially the same thing- BJ thinks he’s bigger and better than the world, and most of the people in here seem to agree, I think people can’t see BJ for who he really is. He’s got to be one of the least professional fighters I know of.

[quote comment=”204354″]BJ got schooled hard by Matt Hughes, who is a great wrestler and abnormally strong for his size. Sean Sherk is a smaller Matt Hughes, but possesses the same strengths and attributes that Hughes had which led to his victory over Penn, one of which being freakish endurance. Maybe I’m wrong, but I just get the feeling that Penn is ducking out of a fight he isn’t confident he would win by taking the “moral high road” on the steroids issue. LOL, even if Sherk was using do you actually think he would pop hot again? Right. Just play the hollier than thou card, dude.[/quote]

what fight where you watching bj destroyed matt untell the third round when he got winded he can beat him on the ground or standing.

I hope Sherk retains the belt and runs through BJ.He got where he did through years of dedication and this whole mess must be a slap in his face.Just because BJ has no ability to put on muscle doesnt mean that others cant.

Penn is Correct. Sherk is just gonna lay n pray around the courthouse until they find him?? And I cannot believe Dana is not stripping his belt. Can anybody say “Sean Sherk Sucked Dana’s bald White Dick”?? Now let’s put buddy-buddy rules aside, and deal with this like a professional Company. Dana White’s day-to-day decision making is getting old (and already is Stupid), and the whole UFC Corp, is losing credibility AND respect as fast as it was initially gained. I for one feel like I am paying to see a bunch of fights put on by a bunch of little-kid friends. You think Dana would give type of second chance to a guy like Nick Diaz, or someone like that who wouldn’t lower himself to Dana’s itty-bitty little mind-games. If more of Dana’s favourtism continues, his UFC will shrink just as fast as his balls did on Sean’s face.
The thing is Sherk is an OK fighter (boring as hell) but I wouldn’t walk into a fight when my opponent is ALLOWED to juice and have it over-ruled. GO ULTIMATE JUICING CHAMPIONSHIP!!!

[quote comment=”204311″]The UFC could take a big chunk out of the steroid abusers by randomly testing every fighter under contract a minimum of 5 times a year. It’s too easy for these guys to juice all through their training, then cycle off in time to test clean at post-fight tests.[/quote]

Yup that’s so true and in Sherk’s case his steriod Nandrolone level was only 12 mg, so fighters could cycle off in time and pass the steroid test. I can’t say for sure if I agree that Sherk is guilty, but there’s some highly obvious physical signs. If I was BJ Penn I would be pissed off as well.

[quote comment=”204416″][quote comment=”204354″]BJ got schooled hard by Matt Hughes, who is a great wrestler and abnormally strong for his size. Sean Sherk is a smaller Matt Hughes, but possesses the same strengths and attributes that Hughes had which led to his victory over Penn, one of which being freakish endurance. Maybe I’m wrong, but I just get the feeling that Penn is ducking out of a fight he isn’t confident he would win by taking the “moral high road” on the steroids issue. LOL, even if Sherk was using do you actually think he would pop hot again? Right. Just play the hollier than thou card, dude.[/quote]

what fight where you watching bj destroyed matt untell the third round when he got winded he can beat him on the ground or standing.[/quote]

WHAT’s WRONG WITH YOU GUYS?…lol.. It was later known that BJ Penn incurred a rib seperation during the 2nd round of the fight and that’s why he looked sluggish in the 3rd round, he literally became imobile… also don’t forget him and Hughes are 1 & 1.

[quote comment=”204388″][quote comment=”204375″][quote comment=”204354″]BJ got schooled hard by Matt Hughes, who is a great wrestler and abnormally strong for his size. Sean Sherk is a smaller Matt Hughes, but possesses the same strengths and attributes that Hughes had which led to his victory over Penn, one of which being freakish endurance. Maybe I’m wrong, but I just get the feeling that Penn is ducking out of a fight he isn’t confident he would win by taking the “moral high road” on the steroids issue. LOL, even if Sherk was using do you actually think he would pop hot again? Right. Just play the hollier than thou card, dude.[/quote]
I thought BJ separated a rib and that was why he lost his 2nd fight with Hughes. BJ was clearly dominating that fight for 2 rounds and Hughes had no answer for BJ’s stand up. Plus, lets not forget that BJ destroyed Hughes at UFC 46. he subbed him in the 1st round. I don’t think BJ is ducking Sherk. I think BJ just wants a level playing field.[/quote]
rib ……or gassed, penn threw every but the kitchen sink at hughes and he survived, the dude is strong and I thought he was getting out of the choke at the end of the round. One could argue back and forth, hughes was getting a beating until the rib, but the truth is hughes is a cardio freak and I’m postive he would have beaten penn anyway in the later rounds if he didn’t get submitted. Sherk is similar to hughes, very strong, good wrestler, cardio freak and cardio is penn’s biggest weakness I’m pretty sure he’s nervous about sherks cardio and tempo he’s able to maintain the entire fight. Don’t get me wrong I actually think penn is one of, if not the most talented mma fighters out there , its just he isn’t the total package but I think if he got his cardio and strength to match his talent he would be as unbeatable as possible for a fighter.[/quote]

IF you watched his training before the Pulver fight you would know that BJ penn re-dedicated himself to his cardio training and got a new workout trainer… when he fought Pulver he made weight early on because of it… it’s most likely he has learned from his mistakes in the past.

[quote comment=”204421″]I hope Sherk retains the belt and runs through BJ.He got where he did through years of dedication and this whole mess must be a slap in his face.Just because BJ has no ability to put on muscle doesnt mean that others cant.[/quote]

Muscle has very little to do with this. It’s illegal muscle Penn has concerns about. Oh and Penn is still a far better fighter. Penn is just as dangerous from the bottom and that leaves, guess where, for Sherk to go. Into a Blanket mode. My big warm blanket has KO’d me faster than Sherk ever could.

[quote comment=”204388″][quote comment=”204375″][quote comment=”204354″]BJ got schooled hard by Matt Hughes, who is a great wrestler and abnormally strong for his size. Sean Sherk is a smaller Matt Hughes, but possesses the same strengths and attributes that Hughes had which led to his victory over Penn, one of which being freakish endurance. Maybe I’m wrong, but I just get the feeling that Penn is ducking out of a fight he isn’t confident he would win by taking the “moral high road” on the steroids issue. LOL, even if Sherk was using do you actually think he would pop hot again? Right. Just play the hollier than thou card, dude.[/quote]
I thought BJ separated a rib and that was why he lost his 2nd fight with Hughes. BJ was clearly dominating that fight for 2 rounds and Hughes had no answer for BJ’s stand up. Plus, lets not forget that BJ destroyed Hughes at UFC 46. he subbed him in the 1st round. I don’t think BJ is ducking Sherk. I think BJ just wants a level playing field.[/quote]
rib ……or gassed, penn threw every but the kitchen sink at hughes and he survived, the dude is strong and I thought he was getting out of the choke at the end of the round. One could argue back and forth, hughes was getting a beating until the rib, but the truth is hughes is a cardio freak and I’m postive he would have beaten penn anyway in the later rounds if he didn’t get submitted. Sherk is similar to hughes, very strong, good wrestler, cardio freak and cardio is penn’s biggest weakness I’m pretty sure he’s nervous about sherks cardio and tempo he’s able to maintain the entire fight. Don’t get me wrong I actually think penn is one of, if not the most talented mma fighters out there , its just he isn’t the total package but I think if he got his cardio and strength to match his talent he would be as unbeatable as possible for a fighter.[/quote]

If sherk is cleared Sherk vs BJ would be almost a mirror image to sherk vs Franca. Youre right BJ’s biggest weakness is his cardio. If they do fight BJ better knock him out or submit him in the first two rounds if not sherk by majority desicion. Francas BJJ is comparable to penns and look how sherk powered his way out of those. And that is a scary scary thought for a fighter knowing if you dont finish the guy quick he wont get tired and keeps coming

I don’t understand how Dana would even consider allowing Sherk to keep his title if his appeal is denied. He can’t wait another week to find out? If Sherk’s appeal is denied, he’s going to be out for another 8 months with suspension. Why would the UFC want to allow a co-champ to keep his belt without a title defense for a year? If Sherk is found innocent, then a fight that a lot of fans would want to see against Penn would be back on. Also, with Penn stating that he doesn’t want to fight Sherk is another obstacle. I’m guessing Dana will come to his senses and strip Sherk of the title after when/if the ruling is upheald.

[quote comment=”204406″]Just look at Sherk. He doesn’t look that way from just creatine and natural supplements the dude is juicing and if Dana can’t see it it’s because he doesn’t want to. The guy is a cheater and if he gets off than Hermes Franca should get off and bonnar should have never been suspended because this guy is obvious. The only thing I could think when I was watching his last pay per view is god this guy has got to be juicing. Well the truth came out and now he is trying to lie his way out of a one year suspension and Dana is showing favoritism to a friend. So I guess my advise to UFC fighters is if you want special treatment that no one else in the organization get’s, develope a good frienship with Dana The Douche and you will get a get out of jail free card like Sherk may.[/quote]

Dude, clearly you have no idea what training your ass off means… So I guess your saying every person whos ripped in the UFC needs to be tested every three to 6 months just cause they are ripped? DUDE FTW???

1. Sherk
2. Houston Alexander
3. Matt Hughes
4. Matt Serra
5. Ken Shamrock
The list goes on and on bro, so I think you shouldnt say “Just look at himand you ll know” casue that snot true in anyway.

Does anyone else here have aa feeling that Dana and Sherk are friends?? HAHAHA, didn’t think so.

“Dude, clearly you have no idea what training your ass off means… So I guess your saying every person whos ripped in the UFC needs to be tested every three to 6 months just cause they are ripped? DUDE FTW???”

Yes that is what he is saying.

[quote post=”3782″]Dude, clearly you have no idea what training your ass off means… So I guess your saying every person whos ripped in the UFC needs to be tested every three to 6 months just cause they are ripped? DUDE FTW???[/quote]
Does that mean Dude, f*** the what?

[quote comment=”204303″][quote comment=”204278″]B.J is right.
When a fighter uses steriods I always look at them different.
And if it was up to me people wouldn’t get a 2nd chance.
You F-up, your out..[/quote]

I also agree, If you get caught using roids, you should be banned from the UFC. That will clean this mess up fast. The UFC should implement a NO tolarence policy about steroid users. You get caught, fine, find another organization to fight in. If the UFC were to do that, the number of Steroid opolicy violaters would become significantly less than the NFL, Mlb and most olympic sports. It would help the UFC become more mainstream because it would be the sports organization that is taking the biggest stance against steroid abuse.

I agree with BJ. There is nothing worse in my oppinion than a steroid using cheater in sports. In combat sports, I believe it is so much worse because you are using an illegal supllement to fight and potential hurt another person. Even worse is a champion caught using roids. That is just ridiculous. There is no room for that in anty sport.

BJ is right, he shouldn’t fight Sherk, if he is caught using the banned substance. What kind of champion, cheats to defend his title? A pathetic one. Now I am not saying sherk is guilty, but if he is found to have used banned substances, while champion, then he disgraced himself, the UFC title, and the sport of mma, and he should be STRIPPED of the title, and should not deserve a title shot after serving his suspension, without working his way back up from the bottom of the division.

Dana, needs to step up, he is the president, with that title he will have to make tough decisions. If sherk is found guilty, he should be stripped and being the Champ, he deserves a harsher penalty than normal steroid users.

Dana is so sleezy, that he looks at this situation as a marketing opportunity, to down the line set up a big marketable fight between the interm champ and sherk. This fight will be marketed as a huge unification fight between sherk and Penn(assuming he beats stevenson) just like Hendo and Rampage’s unification fights was. But its not the same as that fight Hendo was a true PRIDE champion, Rampage was the true UFC champion, unifying those title’s ment something. The unification of the titles of a interim champ, and a steroid cheating champ would mean nothing in my oppinion, and I am happy bj HAS THE INTEGRITY TO STAND UP, speak out, and not accept this fight, if it where to occur. Dana, always looking for a big pay day out of a shitty situation.

On the other hand if Sherk is found innocent of the charges that he cheated in his title defense, then he deserves a shot at the interim champ. Personally, that interim champ title will be meaningless if sherk is found innocent in 2 weeks. It will be the 3rd week of November, BJ and stevenson arent scheduled to clash until January. What the hell will the point of that fight be if we all know that the champ sherk is innocent and wont even be suspended.

Dana needs to hold off on a decision, until the sherk situation is final because if sherk is found innocent in november, he should fight Penn at UFC 80 since it will be in January and he has more than enough time to train, especially since he is a fitness freak and is probably in great condition right now. If sherk is innocent, Penn shouldnt even waste his time fighting joe. Penn deserves a title shot, and if sherk is not suspended and found innocent, how can Penn vs. Jo be a title fight.

This hole situation stinks. Dana is making one bone head decision after an other. the steroid commision is unprofessional and idiotic.
Sherk is aq tool for defending the title once in 16 months.

I am so sick of this whole situation. I hope not to talk about it again until the csac comes out with a ruling.[/quote]

I totally agree with everything you said John.

First of all, BJ PENN is one of the few fighters who actually don’t need to fight for a living to make money. His family is already wealthy. His website is becoming mainstream and money is pouring in from that. I agree with him not wanting to fight a guy whose been juicing up for fights.

Secondly, BJ did seperate a rib during the 2nd round against Matt Hughes the second time they fought. However, BJ PENN did not use that as an excuse to why he lost that night. In his TRAINING BOOK/AUTOBIOGRAPHY he clearly states that if he had implemented a strict diet on himself, the RIB incident will probably never had happend. He said the only person to blame for the RIB was himself.

Third, the Lightweight Belt should have been taken away a long time ago. Two TITLE fights in two years is unacceptable. I will say that the Lightweight division is not the strongest, BUT there is a lot of promise. With the launching of TUF 5, I find it obscene that there is such a stall from the UFC. They should have revoked the belt, and if Sean Sherk was found INNOCENT, than he should have been declared the #1 CONTENDER. The title fight between BJ PENN and JOE STEVENSON should have been at UFC 78.

Lastly for ALL YOU BJ PENN HATERS, ask yourself this: WHY DO I HATE BJ PENN? Is it because he spoke his mind on TUF 5. He you not like seeing people from a small little state in the middle of the PACIFIC OCEAN succseed. Is it because he beat your beloved champ Matt Hughes for his Belt at UFC 46. BJ PENN is not a cocky person. That’s the way the UFC wanted to portray things to get the RATINGS up on SPIKE. YOU ALL NEED TO CHILL.

JUST LIKE TITO ORTIZ’s famous quote: “BJ PENN doesn’t earn RESPECT, he just fkn TAKES IT”.

[quote comment=”204461″][quote post=”3782″]Dude, clearly you have no idea what training your ass off means… So I guess your saying every person whos ripped in the UFC needs to be tested every three to 6 months just cause they are ripped? DUDE FTW???[/quote]
Does that mean Dude, f*** the what?[/quote]

Yeah, apparently thats the cool thing to do these days. Im glad you picked up on it. . lol jk

But yes it WTF backwards..

Go BJ….. 100% support from this MMA fan.

The only problem with banning fighters that get caught with steroids in the UFC is that these fighters will go on to fight with other organizations and the UFC does not want that to happen. Imagine if Sherk, Franca, and Bonnar were free agents and they all signed with EliteXC or M-1…Dana wouldn’t like to bolster the lineups of his competition so I seriously can’t see the UFC taking this stance. Now if it were football and you were banned…where are you going to play? The AFL? CFL? NFL Europe? These aren’t real strong competitors to the NFL. Those types of leagues should be implementing those kinds of rules.

i hate fighters that use roids. not only is it cheating, it’s an especially vulgar disgrace in combat sports where your cheating usually results in unfairly hurting/damaging your opponent, aka someone that usually has a family and kids to care for.

Any fighter found guilty of juicing up should be suspended for at least a year and stripped of any titles they hold. they should also be tested regularly and suprise tested prior to a fight.

Any fighter found guilty of juicing twice should be kicked out of the UFC.

i also agree with violent mike that somehow, at least for the fight that they were caught using steroids for, they should be penalized, and maybe some vitories overturned.

if i was bj i wouldnt want to fight someone that knowingly uses roids. even the idea ia ridiculous. and if sherk didnt use roids and isnt found guilty, great, but the ufc should learn from this and instill some type of law or code for the fighters. the ufc needs to start man-ing up on the professionalism.

F*ck Sherk and all roid users. I agree, kick em out when they get caught. Who cares about Sherk Franca and Bonnar. I wouldn’t lose any sleep if I never saw them fight again.

UFC should test all fighters that have an upcoming fight at random times. That way they’ll have to be clean during their training periods instead of tapering off their cycles and flushing their system before the fight.

Also, this wasn’t the first time Penn has expressed his anger at roid users.

Penn ducking Sherk? Are you kidding me? Hughes is a bigger stronger Sherk. Do you see Penn ducking Hughes? No. Actually, he wants a rubber match with him in the future. And yes, please realize that Penn DID NOT gas in the last Hughes fight but sustained a rib injury while attempting a sweep, prior to which he was making Hughes his bitch.

Sherk is a juicehead that is buddy buddy with dana.

[quote post=”3782″]i also agree with violent mike that somehow, at least for the fight that they were caught using steroids for, they should be penalized, and maybe some vitories overturned[/quote]

Thanks for agreeing, but unfortunately I don’t see it happening. This sport just seems to play favoritism. Sherk gets busted (pending decision) for using steroids while fighting, and not only does he keep all his wins, but he keeps the belt too. Meanwhile, you have Nick Diaz who smokes a few joints here and there and has the biggest win of his career, submitting Gomi via gogoplata, overturned into a No Contest. If Sherk is found guilty, in my opinion, goint by the NSAC’s ruling of Diaz, Sherk’s wins while juicing should be ruled no contests. What would that mean, a fight between Kenny Florian and BJ for the title. Seeing that KenFlo lost a decision to Sherk while he could have been juicing. Of course they would need 100% proof which is next to impossible at this point in time.

I agree, guys who use roids should get a stiff punishment, but I’m a little more understanding of why these guys juice. There is lots of money to be had in professional sports. The difference between the guys who are making a good living and the guys barely getting by, isn’t that big. I’m not condoning steroid use, but I can understand the temptation.

[quote comment=”204531″]I agree, guys who use roids should get a stiff punishment, but I’m a little more understanding of why these guys juice. There is lots of money to be had in professional sports. The difference between the guys who are making a good living and the guys barely getting by, isn’t that big. I’m not condoning steroid use, but I can understand the temptation.[/quote]

And what happens when you get caught, you lose a lot of sponsors and not allowed to fight for a year. They lose more money by winning and JUICING than they do if they losed legitamately.

What’s wrong with using the steriods ? Just like anything else that helps, like creatine, pills, protien shakes….

[quote comment=”204547″]What’s wrong with using the steriods ? Just like anything else that helps, like creatine, pills, protien shakes….[/quote]

I really hope your joking. Look at the mess the WWE has on their hands. The death of Chris Benoit and the things he did to his family were the side effects of steroids. Creatine and Protein shakes help build muscle and strength, it doesn’t mess with your mind and enable you from thinking clearly. You should go do some research.

Its because BJ knows Sherk will beat him, Sherk would win a unanimous decision. Franca and Florian are both bjj blackbelts, and granted, Penn is better than them both on the ground, neither of those two were even close to submitting Sherk. Penn would just lose a closer decision. Probably 4 rounds to 1 for sherk. Or 3-2

From this Mania article…
It’s important to note that Penn wants to eventually fight Sherk. However, “only if Sherk is cleared of the steroids charge.”

Mania,
Where do you get that quote from? You put it in quotes so it must be taken from somewhere…

[quote comment=”204354″]BJ got schooled hard by Matt Hughes, who is a great wrestler and abnormally strong for his size. Sean Sherk is a smaller Matt Hughes, but possesses the same strengths and attributes that Hughes had which led to his victory over Penn, one of which being freakish endurance. Maybe I’m wrong, but I just get the feeling that Penn is ducking out of a fight he isn’t confident he would win by taking the “moral high road” on the steroids issue. LOL, even if Sherk was using do you actually think he would pop hot again? Right. Just play the hollier than thou card, dude.[/quote]
I didn’t read all the comments, some were way TOO long…
this guy is thinking what I was thinking-
Many of the other comments here demonstrate NO understanding of performance enhancing substances-

Steroids won’t save you from a broken arm, nose, jaw or heart… (or sudden KO)

[quote comment=”204562″]From this Mania article…
It’s important to note that Penn wants to eventually fight Sherk. However, “only if Sherk is cleared of the steroids charge.”

Mania,
Where do you get that quote from? You put it in quotes so it must be taken from somewhere…[/quote]

Um … read the article cited in this post. Just a thought.

[quote comment=”204557″]Its because BJ knows Sherk will beat him, Sherk would win a unanimous decision. Franca and Florian are both bjj blackbelts, and granted, Penn is better than them both on the ground, neither of those two were even close to submitting Sherk. Penn would just lose a closer decision. Probably 4 rounds to 1 for sherk. Or 3-2[/quote]

Sean Sherk got whooped by GSP, and BJ PENN barely lossed to GSP(if it weren’t for the two takedowns in the 3rd round, GSP would have lossed).

[quote comment=”204565″][quote comment=”204562″]From this Mania article…
It’s important to note that Penn wants to eventually fight Sherk. However, “only if Sherk is cleared of the steroids charge.”

Mania,
Where do you get that quote from? You put it in quotes so it must be taken from somewhere…[/quote]

Um … read the article cited in this post. Just a thought.[/quote]

OK - you got me .
But still…I think the article itself took vast liberties in making that comment since not a single quote from BJ actually backs it up. I apologize to you for taking you to task, but I still feel like the article’s headline is pure sensationalistic hype. I back off on my comments implying that you created the hype but I still think that you are perpetuating it.

[quote comment=”204489″][quote comment=”204461″][quote post=”3782″]Dude, clearly you have no idea what training your ass off means… So I guess your saying every person whos ripped in the UFC needs to be tested every three to 6 months just cause they are ripped? DUDE FTW???[/quote]
Does that mean Dude, f*** the what?[/quote]

Yeah, apparently thats the cool thing to do these days. Im glad you picked up on it. . lol jk

But yes it WTF backwards..[/quote]

As much as a hate acronyms, “FTW” means “for the win,” not “fuck the what.”

As for this case, take Sherk’s belt away and let the LW division get back on track!

[quote comment=”204354″]BJ got schooled hard by Matt Hughes, who is a great wrestler and abnormally strong for his size. Sean Sherk is a smaller Matt Hughes, but possesses the same strengths and attributes that Hughes had which led to his victory over Penn, one of which being freakish endurance. Maybe I’m wrong, but I just get the feeling that Penn is ducking out of a fight he isn’t confident he would win by taking the “moral high road” on the steroids issue. LOL, even if Sherk was using do you actually think he would pop hot again? Right. Just play the hollier than thou card, dude.[/quote]
WHAT?!?!? hahaha is that why all the judges gave Penn round one AND two, until he split a rib? That last minute of the fight, was the only offencse Hughes had put up in the WHOLE fight, TWO minutes, and that’s being generous.

BJ could beat Sherk as is and he knows it, he is just making a point, BJ is one of those rare individuals that actually stands by what he believes. He walks the walk, a rare quality these days. BJ is the man, he is absolutely right here, and i’m behind ‘em all the way.

[quote comment=”204435″][quote comment=”204388″][quote comment=”204375″][quote comment=”204354″]BJ got schooled hard by Matt Hughes, who is a great wrestler and abnormally strong for his size. Sean Sherk is a smaller Matt Hughes, but possesses the same strengths and attributes that Hughes had which led to his victory over Penn, one of which being freakish endurance. Maybe I’m wrong, but I just get the feeling that Penn is ducking out of a fight he isn’t confident he would win by taking the “moral high road” on the steroids issue. LOL, even if Sherk was using do you actually think he would pop hot again? Right. Just play the hollier than thou card, dude.[/quote]
I thought BJ separated a rib and that was why he lost his 2nd fight with Hughes. BJ was clearly dominating that fight for 2 rounds and Hughes had no answer for BJ’s stand up. Plus, lets not forget that BJ destroyed Hughes at UFC 46. he subbed him in the 1st round. I don’t think BJ is ducking Sherk. I think BJ just wants a level playing field.[/quote]
rib ……or gassed, penn threw every but the kitchen sink at hughes and he survived, the dude is strong and I thought he was getting out of the choke at the end of the round. One could argue back and forth, hughes was getting a beating until the rib, but the truth is hughes is a cardio freak and I’m postive he would have beaten penn anyway in the later rounds if he didn’t get submitted. Sherk is similar to hughes, very strong, good wrestler, cardio freak and cardio is penn’s biggest weakness I’m pretty sure he’s nervous about sherks cardio and tempo he’s able to maintain the entire fight. Don’t get me wrong I actually think penn is one of, if not the most talented mma fighters out there , its just he isn’t the total package but I think if he got his cardio and strength to match his talent he would be as unbeatable as possible for a fighter.[/quote]

If sherk is cleared Sherk vs BJ would be almost a mirror image to sherk vs Franca. Youre right BJ’s biggest weakness is his cardio. If they do fight BJ better knock him out or submit him in the first two rounds if not sherk by majority desicion. Francas BJJ is comparable to penns and look how sherk powered his way out of those. And that is a scary scary thought for a fighter knowing if you dont finish the guy quick he wont get tired and keeps coming[/quote]
haha, Franca’s grappling is not even comparable to BJ’s, especially while applied during an MMA bout. Get real, Sherk will never pass his guard, if Hughes couldn’t, what makes you think SHerk can? Unless BJ’s rib breaks.

Steroids were found in the Xyience supplements Sean Sherk used. That means one should not trust the CSAC’s ruling due to insufficient investigation. Besides, who but the fool takes Garcia at his word.

By the way, the Fertittas (who own and control the ufc) are heavily involved with Xyience. Check this out at sherdog.com.

[quote comment=”204568″][quote comment=”204557″]Its because BJ knows Sherk will beat him, Sherk would win a unanimous decision. Franca and Florian are both bjj blackbelts, and granted, Penn is better than them both on the ground, neither of those two were even close to submitting Sherk. Penn would just lose a closer decision. Probably 4 rounds to 1 for sherk. Or 3-2[/quote]

Sean Sherk got whooped by GSP, and BJ PENN barely lossed to GSP(if it weren’t for the two takedowns in the 3rd round, GSP would have lossed).[/quote]

Good point. GSP wrecked Sherk at 170. What is a LW Sherk supposed to do to BJ, who has even held his own against a solid LHW in Machida.

[quote comment=”204568″][quote comment=”204557″]Its because BJ knows Sherk will beat him, Sherk would win a unanimous decision. Franca and Florian are both bjj blackbelts, and granted, Penn is better than them both on the ground, neither of those two were even close to submitting Sherk. Penn would just lose a closer decision. Probably 4 rounds to 1 for sherk. Or 3-2[/quote]

Sean Sherk got whooped by GSP, and BJ PENN barely lossed to GSP(if it weren’t for the two takedowns in the 3rd round, GSP would have lossed).[/quote]
and gsp would have won round one too if it wasn’t for the poke to the eye, gsp clearly won rounds two and three, yes by take downs but penn wasn’t doing anything to him either, it was a pretty lame fight.

[quote comment=”204557″]Its because BJ knows Sherk will beat him, Sherk would win a unanimous decision. Franca and Florian are both bjj blackbelts, and granted, Penn is better than them both on the ground, neither of those two were even close to submitting Sherk. Penn would just lose a closer decision. Probably 4 rounds to 1 for sherk. Or 3-2[/quote]

Penn is not only better than those two on the ground, he is also a better stand-up striker, and has much better balance/takedown defense. He’s just better at MMA than them.

Now I don’t doubt that Sherk will be able to take BJ down sometimes, but it definitely won’t be easy (wasn’t easy at all for Hughes), and it will come at a cost. He would get banged up on the way in, and if he does get it to the ground, all he will be able to do effectively is hold him there, if that.

WELL THATS WHAT BJ PENN IS RIGHT A DRAMA QUEEN,WHO WANTS EVERYTHING HIS WAY.

[quote comment=”204581″][quote comment=”204354″]BJ got schooled hard by Matt Hughes, who is a great wrestler and abnormally strong for his size. Sean Sherk is a smaller Matt Hughes, but possesses the same strengths and attributes that Hughes had which led to his victory over Penn, one of which being freakish endurance. Maybe I’m wrong, but I just get the feeling that Penn is ducking out of a fight he isn’t confident he would win by taking the “moral high road” on the steroids issue. LOL, even if Sherk was using do you actually think he would pop hot again? Right. Just play the hollier than thou card, dude.[/quote]
WHAT?!?!? hahaha is that why all the judges gave Penn round one AND two, until he split a rib? That last minute of the fight, was the only offencse Hughes had put up in the WHOLE fight, TWO minutes, and that’s being generous.[/quote]

Yup.. Hughes was the one getting “schooled” that fight, until the injury.

I would think if Sherk is not cleared of his charges then he will probably be stripped of the title and the interim title holder will become the official champ.

[quote comment=”204442″][quote comment=”204406″]Just look at Sherk. He doesn’t look that way from just creatine and natural supplements the dude is juicing and if Dana can’t see it it’s because he doesn’t want to. The guy is a cheater and if he gets off than Hermes Franca should get off and bonnar should have never been suspended because this guy is obvious. The only thing I could think when I was watching his last pay per view is god this guy has got to be juicing. Well the truth came out and now he is trying to lie his way out of a one year suspension and Dana is showing favoritism to a friend. So I guess my advise to UFC fighters is if you want special treatment that no one else in the organization get’s, develope a good frienship with Dana The Douche and you will get a get out of jail free card like Sherk may.[/quote]

Dude, clearly you have no idea what training your ass off means… So I guess your saying every person whos ripped in the UFC needs to be tested every three to 6 months just cause they are ripped? DUDE FTW???

1. Sherk
2. Houston Alexander
3. Matt Hughes
4. Matt Serra
5. Ken Shamrock
The list goes on and on bro, so I think you shouldnt say “Just look at himand you ll know” casue that snot true in anyway.[/quote]
Yes but 2-5 have never tested positive and I’m sure Sherk has been training his ass off but just add the juice and it gives him an extra edge. Mark my word Sherk will get smaller because he has been caught red handed. Sorry DUDE but 2-5 on the list FTW with good genes and not juice.

Get off of sherk’s nuts he tested positive, the end!

Sean Sherk didn’t use steroids. Everyone who is “hating” on him should just zip it and when Sean is proven not guilty.. let them fight.

talk sh!t after the verdict.. and after the fight..

until then.. your words are complete assumptions and opinions.

thanks

[quote comment=”204277″]BJ is right. IF they uphold the suspension and Dana lets him keep the belt the UFC becomes a sad joke, a league where cheaters can hold belts and not get stripped because they are buddies with the guy who runs the organization.[/quote]
BJ will get wrecked by Sherk..thats why he wont fight him

[quote comment=”204717″][quote comment=”204277″]BJ is right. IF they uphold the suspension and Dana lets him keep the belt the UFC becomes a sad joke, a league where cheaters can hold belts and not get stripped because they are buddies with the guy who runs the organization.[/quote]
BJ will get wrecked by Sherk..thats why he wont fight him[/quote]

Tell me why you think that.

[quote post=”3782″]Just look at Sherk. He doesn’t look that way from just creatine and natural supplements the dude is juicing and if Dana can’t see it it’s because he doesn’t want to. The guy is a cheater and if he gets off than Hermes Franca should get off and bonnar should have never been suspended because this guy is obvious. The only thing I could think when I was watching his last pay per view is god this guy has got to be juicing. Well the truth came out and now he is trying to lie his way out of a one year suspension and Dana is showing favoritism to a friend. So I guess my advise to UFC fighters is if you want special treatment that no one else in the organization get’s, develope a good frienship with Dana The Douche and you will get a get out of jail free card like Sherk may.
Dude, clearly you have no idea what training your ass off means… So I guess your saying every person whos ripped in the UFC needs to be tested every three to 6 months just cause they are ripped? DUDE FTW???
1. Sherk
2. Houston Alexander
3. Matt Hughes
4. Matt Serra
5. Ken Shamrock
The list goes on and on bro, so I think you shouldnt say “Just look at himand you ll know” casue that snot true in anyway. [/quote]
Good point, we all knew Sylvia and Bonner were juicing just by looking at their body type. I think the only guys who would believe that Sherk could get that big naturally, are the mesomorphs. Many ectomorphs just don’t get it ,that some guys(natural mesomorphs) don’t have the trouble putting on muscle like they do. I’ve seen many(and I know for a fact I wasn’t juiced) get as big and ripped as Sherk, NATURALY.

[quote post=”3782″]Good point. GSP wrecked Sherk at 170. What is a LW Sherk supposed to do to BJ, who has even held his own against a solid LHW in Machida. [/quote]
Who at the time was a solid HW. Probably around 240-245.
Look at machida’s figure then compared to now, he was way heavier in that fight.

[quote comment=”204724″][quote comment=”204717″][quote comment=”204277″]BJ is right. IF they uphold the suspension and Dana lets him keep the belt the UFC becomes a sad joke, a league where cheaters can hold belts and not get stripped because they are buddies with the guy who runs the organization.[/quote]
BJ will get wrecked by Sherk..thats why he wont fight him[/quote]

Tell me why you think that.[/quote]
It’s just sensless bable punishment, they wont answer cuz there is no logic behind that.

[quote comment=”204411″]I forgot to mention that BJ Penn looks like a munguloid, lol.[/quote]

wtf mongoloid foolio

[quote comment=”204672″][quote comment=”204442″][quote comment=”204406″]Just look at Sherk. He doesn’t look that way from just creatine and natural supplements the dude is juicing and if Dana can’t see it it’s because he doesn’t want to. The guy is a cheater and if he gets off than Hermes Franca should get off and bonnar should have never been suspended because this guy is obvious. The only thing I could think when I was watching his last pay per view is god this guy has got to be juicing. Well the truth came out and now he is trying to lie his way out of a one year suspension and Dana is showing favoritism to a friend. So I guess my advise to UFC fighters is if you want special treatment that no one else in the organization get’s, develope a good frienship with Dana The Douche and you will get a get out of jail free card like Sherk may.[/quote]

Dude, clearly you have no idea what training your ass off means… So I guess your saying every person whos ripped in the UFC needs to be tested every three to 6 months just cause they are ripped? DUDE FTW???

1. Sherk
2. Houston Alexander
3. Matt Hughes
4. Matt Serra
5. Ken Shamrock
The list goes on and on bro, so I think you shouldnt say “Just look at himand you ll know” casue that snot true in anyway.[/quote]
Yes but 2-5 have never tested positive and I’m sure Sherk has been training his ass off but just add the juice and it gives him an extra edge. Mark my word Sherk will get smaller because he has been caught red handed. Sorry DUDE but 2-5 on the list FTW with good genes and not juice.[/quote]

Matt Serra?? that guy isnt remotely ripped. Unless you count his weird-looking bicep

[quote comment=”204349″]bj is scared of sherk,bj is trying to seem unbeatable at 155 and he knows that sherk would beat his ass sinceless,and trust me,sherk did not take roids[/quote]

You are crazy to think that his lay and pray style of MMA would Beat Penns BJJ. Penn more then held his own against GSP and Hughes. Sherk is not on either of those fighters levels. There is not a fighter from 170 down that could “Beat his Ass”. He has some of the best take down defense,, great standup and one of the best BJJ is in the UFC. So Sherk Beating Penns ass is not ever going to happen. He may win on the cards, but never will physically beat Penns ASs. People should look into a fighters past before making such outrageous comments, so they could make and educated statement….

[quote comment=”204557″]Its because BJ knows Sherk will beat him, Sherk would win a unanimous decision. Franca and Florian are both bjj blackbelts, and granted, Penn is better than them both on the ground, neither of those two were even close to submitting Sherk. Penn would just lose a closer decision. Probably 4 rounds to 1 for sherk. Or 3-2[/quote]

Win a unanimous decision…that is the only way a Lay and Pray master like Sherk could win. Hold position and throw some ineffective elbows and pray for the bell to ring fast.

[quote comment=”204280″][quote post=”3782″]Here’s a snip from “The Prodigy:”
“If he did win the belt by cheating, that’s ridiculous. But he’s the one who has to live with it. Just like bodybuilding…. If guys are cheating, maybe there should be two divisions.”[/quote]
Ummmmm, Sherk didn’t win the belt from Hermes. But I guess I know what he’s saying. Also, Ruskie, nobody cares that you were 1st.[/quote]

I think is insinuating that Sherk has been on roids for a while by making that statement.

[quote comment=”204338″]Well let me be the first person to disagree with everyone… I guess I just hate BJ Penn. So what is his plan for the lightweight division then. Cuase the way I see it. Sherk will be champ for awhile. Is BJ just going to wait in silence until the champ is dethroned and expect a tittle shot then? Or is he going to continue to fight all these nobodys. . . Well more power to BJ, he and his shit talking mouth can do what ever he wants. No skin off my back, I just think its silly is all. The whole thing is silly.[/quote]

Integrity is silly? Whether you like him or not he is taking a stance for all of the UFC. How many of these guys train year round, hard, some working a job, then driving to gyms far away, to teach and train mma, to drive home in the middle of the night and start all over again, so they can have their honest and legitimate effort thwarted by a Scientificly Enhanced Freak of Nature. That is insane? There is no balance in that. Rampage has made the same accusation about the Pride fighters, where he was getting owned. Now Rampage comes to UFC owns everyone, while the rest of the big Pride guys tumble like a stack of cards. There is just to much coincidence in that. I am Glad BJ has made and taken a stance while Dana and others just turn a blind eye. Hate all you want but to hate someone because they have integrity in what they do is ridiculous.

I also love all these people saying how Sherk did not do steroids, trust me, I know or I would know. Like they are hanging out with him working out. How do you people know this? The whole point in doing cycles and properly doing them at that is to not get caught. He has gotten away with it for some time know but he effed up and got caught.

[quote comment=”204277″]BJ is right. IF they uphold the suspension and Dana lets him keep the belt the UFC becomes a sad joke, a league where cheaters can hold belts and not get stripped because they are buddies with the guy who runs the organization.[/quote]

Sherk looks like he’s been saucin’ since highschool. He is a lifer.
Bj is right not to fight him if he’s caught.

Maybe Dana can make a new division for SHERK & LESNER. HAHA

[quote comment=”204585″][quote comment=”204435″][quote comment=”204388″][quote comment=”204375″][quote comment=”204354″]BJ got schooled hard by Matt Hughes, who is a great wrestler and abnormally strong for his size. Sean Sherk is a smaller Matt Hughes, but possesses the same strengths and attributes that Hughes had which led to his victory over Penn, one of which being freakish endurance. Maybe I’m wrong, but I just get the feeling that Penn is ducking out of a fight he isn’t confident he would win by taking the “moral high road” on the steroids issue. LOL, even if Sherk was using do you actually think he would pop hot again? Right. Just play the hollier than thou card, dude.[/quote]
I thought BJ separated a rib and that was why he lost his 2nd fight with Hughes. BJ was clearly dominating that fight for 2 rounds and Hughes had no answer for BJ’s stand up. Plus, lets not forget that BJ destroyed Hughes at UFC 46. he subbed him in the 1st round. I don’t think BJ is ducking Sherk. I think BJ just wants a level playing field.[/quote]
rib ……or gassed, penn threw every but the kitchen sink at hughes and he survived, the dude is strong and I thought he was getting out of the choke at the end of the round. One could argue back and forth, hughes was getting a beating until the rib, but the truth is hughes is a cardio freak and I’m postive he would have beaten penn anyway in the later rounds if he didn’t get submitted. Sherk is similar to hughes, very strong, good wrestler, cardio freak and cardio is penn’s biggest weakness I’m pretty sure he’s nervous about sherks cardio and tempo he’s able to maintain the entire fight. Don’t get me wrong I actually think penn is one of, if not the most talented mma fighters out there , its just he isn’t the total package but I think if he got his cardio and strength to match his talent he would be as unbeatable as possible for a fighter.[/quote]

If sherk is cleared Sherk vs BJ would be almost a mirror image to sherk vs Franca. Youre right BJ’s biggest weakness is his cardio. If they do fight BJ better knock him out or submit him in the first two rounds if not sherk by majority desicion. Francas BJJ is comparable to penns and look how sherk powered his way out of those. And that is a scary scary thought for a fighter knowing if you dont finish the guy quick he wont get tired and keeps coming[/quote]
haha, Franca’s grappling is not even comparable to BJ’s, especially while applied during an MMA bout. Get real, Sherk will never pass his guard, if Hughes couldn’t, what makes you think SHerk can? Unless BJ’s rib breaks.[/quote]

LOL, what did I start? All right, let’s end this massive quote on quote fight with this: For all you guys who said Penn was winning the fight untill he lost, guess what? HE FREAKIN LOST AND IN MISERABLE FASHION. I would much rather see this fight than Penn vs. Stevenson. Snoozefest.

[quote comment=”204349″]bj is scared of sherk,bj is trying to seem unbeatable at 155 and he knows that sherk would beat his ass sinceless,and trust me,sherk did not take roids[/quote]

he tested positive in the before and after tests, trust you, who the hell are you to say trust me. olympic atheletes aren’t allowed even close to the levels that sherk had, yet you think sherk is some sort of f*ckin hero that he can get levels that high naturally. BJ is right in his decision.

I agree with B.J. and honestly BJ would beat the hell out of Sherk like GSP did. I think Sherk is on roids and has been like dude said he just got caught. I dont think he is that great of a fighter so BJ would take it from him anyway so if BJ beats Stevenson which i think he can he would be a better champ for the lightweight division.

If it hasn’t been stated already, there’s a usatoday article on how over the counter LEGAL supplements will give you positive results on tests….I believe Sherk (and many others) are innocent.