what a joke. keep stalling.

IT wasnt sherk that wanted it postponed, if you read the story the csac needed a little more time to look over the documents that sherk and his attorneys provided for them,”innocent until proven guilty

you sherk haters should relax…don’t mar his accomplishments until he’s actually been found guilty

the guy is owed his “day in court”…

he’s a dominant LW and I see no one taking his belt (except the UFC brass if he’s found guilty)…no one, including penn, stevenson or florian…

WWHHAAAT!!! its taking too long for this division to move ahead, if he is actually guilty after all, he should be out of the UFC not just stripped

innocent until proven guilty, good luck CSAC.

In most cases I side with the state regulating/sanctioning body when it comes to testing. However, the CSAC has made a number of questionnable suspensions recently and has even had some overturned later through appeals. Specifically with this Sherk appeal, the small amount that he was over is not typical of an individual cycling, even if the cycle wasn’t complete. In addition, he has never be indited or even suspected of steroids prior to this and from sheer appearance, has retained the same build over the years. It is well known that he is in top physical condition, and that his workout regiment is second to none. This alone will increase testosterone and AH levels. All information I see as evidence indicating that he may simply have higher levels than the average athlete

[quote post=”3742″]IT wasnt sherk that wanted it postponed, if you read the story the csac needed a little more time to look over the documents that sherk and his attorneys provided for them,”innocent until proven guilty[/quote]

They were reviewing paperwork submitted on Friday by Sherk’s lawyers. Perhaps they should have submitted that paperwork a touch earlier than last minute?

I’m curious about the process, will his suspension start from his last fight or from the date of the guilty verdict (assuming he’s found guilty)?

what a joke, with this new postponement, it is likely now that the bj penn fight will be in feb, stop stalling if you sis it come out and say it, if he is guilty i hope he loses all his fan base

Out of the sake of boredom who do you think, fighting in the UFC right now, would be found guilty of using steroids if tested?

[quote comment=”201909″]In most cases I side with the state regulating/sanctioning body when it comes to testing. However, the CSAC has made a number of questionnable suspensions recently and has even had some overturned later through appeals. Specifically with this Sherk appeal, the small amount that he was over is not typical of an individual cycling, even if the cycle wasn’t complete. In addition, he has never be indited or even suspected of steroids prior to this and from sheer appearance, has retained the same build over the years. It is well known that he is in top physical condition, and that his workout regiment is second to none. This alone will increase testosterone and AH levels. All information I see as evidence indicating that he may simply have higher levels than the average athlete[/quote]

i agree totally but wasn’t there a 2nd elevated substance “found” … was it nandrolone?

nandrolone was the only elevated substance…nothing else….and if you look athim hes fought title matches before never tested positive and if anything his testosterone levels are probly through the roof just based on the fact his training his mentality he waited eight years to get that title you think anyone after waiting that long for something would do something to screw it up….

Question:
Why does Sherk still have his belt after fighting once in the last 18 months or so?
Answer:
Because Dana likes Sean, point blank. If it was Tito with the LHW belt, his ass would have been stripped the day after his test came back. And why does Dana like Sean Sherk? Because the guy makes like 20 grand per fight (not including win bonus). Sherk is the typical company man. Dana lets his friendships and lack there of get in the way of business.

I hate Sherk. He deserves an appeal, but I still hate him for singlehandedly killing the LW divsion.

this is ridiculous news. so what just put the title on hold until …? no end in sight.

I can’t wait any longer. Two title defenses in two years just isn’t fair.

Why is evryone getting mad at this recent knews. The guy has held up the LW division for 18 months now, whats waiting till Nov. 13th gonna do? We have known for a while now that BJ isn’t fighting until January at the earliest because of this idiot sherk keeps holding up the division. Waiting till November 13th for an answer isn’t gonna cause Penn’s fight to be postponed any further.

The only thing that sucks is Penn still wont know who to train for Joe stevenson or sherk, even though gamplanning for sherk and stevenson would be very simular. They are tough wrestlers, sherk is good at Ju Jitsu, stevenson is very good. Neither of their ju jitsu is world class like the prodigy. Joe or Sherk, Penn will still be basically gameplanning for a fight against a mini, 155 lb matt hughes, a superior wrestler, an inferior striker and inferior Ju jitsu practitioner.

Dont get me wrong I basically hate sherk for holding up the division for almost 2 years and I don’t like having a champion who cant finish fights (thats exactly why Machida could never be a great champion), but the 2 week postponment of the decision, in reality isn’t gonna make the situation any worse. The only bad part is that everyone has to wonder and speculate about what will happen for another 2 weeks.

We are so quick to go to war, why cant we be quick to issue a judgement?

man,this is bullshit.ive been holding my breath waiting on this day to come and now we have to wait a couple more weeks.id like to see penn destroy this dude,but im over waiting.penn vs. stevenson.make it happen already…

Holy feather pluckin caca. I cant even believe this. I waited so long for a decision all day at work only to be let down. I hated Sherk before this whole thing started and now I hate him even more. Down with steroids and down with the lay and pray. Imagine if all the champs pulled this type of stuff. UFC would crumble. Down with dope, up with hope! lol. Sorry I had to rant. This sucks.

[quote comment=”201898″]you sherk haters should relax…don’t mar his accomplishments until he’s actually been found guilty

the guy is owed his “day in court”…

he’s a dominant LW and I see no one taking his belt (except the UFC brass if he’s found guilty)…no one, including penn, stevenson or florian…[/quote]
He’s owed his day in court, which is why they can’t really strip him of the belt. I completely disagree about no one taking his belt. He can’t stand with BJ and would probably get submitted when he went to the ground. I am not saying he wouldn’t have a chance against BJ, just that BJ would have to be a solid favorite in that fight.

at least he gets to hold that belt for 2 more weeks.

not like it would matter if he has to face penn he would most likely lose it then.

[quote post=”3742″]Out of the sake of boredom who do you think, fighting in the UFC right now, would be found guilty of using steroids if tested?[/quote]

I’m not gonna say any names but look for people with a disproportionally large amount of fat on their pecs, its a sign of steroids that many don’t know about.

[quote comment=”201898″]you sherk haters should relax…don’t mar his accomplishments until he’s actually been found guilty

the guy is owed his “day in court”…

he’s a dominant LW and I see no one taking his belt (except the UFC brass if he’s found guilty)…no one, including penn, stevenson or florian…[/quote]

BJ Penn WILL take his title. Sherk couldn’t beat Hughes. BJ beat hughes the first time and should of beat him the second time if he didn’t crack a rib and gas. He also gave GSP a good run his money, Sherk didn’t even get past the 2nd round with GSP.

[quote comment=”201941″]

BJ Penn WILL take his title. Sherk couldn’t beat Hughes. BJ beat hughes the first time and should of beat him the second time if he didn’t crack a rib and gas. He also gave GSP a good run his money, Sherk didn’t even get past the 2nd round with GSP.[/quote]

GSP isn’t a good comparison to use, as GSP is a disastrous matchup for any wrestler, especially one the size of Sherk. Hughes is a much better comparison, but even then I don’t think its quite accurate; Hughes beat Sherk on size and strength, which Penn won’t have. Sherk is surprisingly good technically, I think he’s better than Hughes.

this process is taking way too long, sherk should just suck it up and take responsibility for roiding, you don’t become a muscle shark with organic lettuce or whatever he eats. the lw division needs to move on.

Baroni gets his suspension reduced to 6 months even though he tested positive for 2 steroids. Surely Sherk’s sentence will be reduced. His belt better get stripped.

Sherk is about as exciting to watch as Tim Sylvia. Take him down and pin him there and just stay on top. BJ has all the tools to beat him standing up and on the ground whether he is on the top or bottom. And i have to agree that if it was Tito or any other fighter that Dana disliked, it would be another story altogether.

Penn vs. Sherk. Sherk is way to fast, and he only gets faster as the fight goes on. Face it, there won’t be one second that penn will be able to use to get a submission. And even if he lands a pretty good shot on sherk, sherks only gonna keep going towards him and speed up even more. Speed kills anything, its the most powerful weapon anyone can have in any sport.

The only thing more painfully boring to endure than a Sherk fight is having to watch a long drawn out steroid appeal. Odds are it’s gonna be just like Baroni. Reduce it to 6 months including time served. BAM! He’s eligible to defend the title against BJ at 80 or 81. I mean, 78 is already set and what are the chances the UFC would put the LW title bout, WW title bout, and Liddell vs Silva on the same card at 79? That would just be way too awesome.

[quote post=”3742″]innocent until proven guilty, good luck CSAC.[/quote]

It is an appeal, meaning he was already found guilty by testing positive. It is irrelevant if he knowingly took the substances or not, he is in control of what he puts into his body and thus must pay the price when he fails the test.

If they start to say it is acceptable for a fighter to accidentally ingest nandrolone, everyone will all of a sudden be taking “accident dosages.”

They have to set the tone here.

GOOD LUCK SEAN, I HOPE YOU DIDNT DO IT, YOURE THE MAN! GEAR FIGHTER! CANT WAIT TO SEE U BACK DEENDING YOUR TITLE

[quote comment=”201904″]WWHHAAAT!!! its taking too long for this division to move ahead, if he is actually guilty after all, he should be out of the UFC not just stripped[/quote]

After this comment I have to say that your name fits you.

[quote comment=”201919″]nandrolone was the only elevated substance…nothing else….and if you look athim hes fought title matches before never tested positive and if anything his testosterone levels are probly through the roof just based on the fact his training his mentality he waited eight years to get that title you think anyone after waiting that long for something would do something to screw it up….[/quote]
Maybe. But you also have to consider the following: A) he is getting older, and his body is probably not able to withstand the type of training he does anymore without help; and B) he has a long history of injuries, and certain steroids are used to speed up recovery. That’s what Franca and Bonner were doing when they tested poitive. I don’t know if that’s what Nand. does, but it’s always possible.

[quote comment=”201919″]nandrolone was the only elevated substance…nothing else….and if you look athim hes fought title matches before never tested positive and if anything his testosterone levels are probly through the roof just based on the fact his training his mentality he waited eight years to get that title you think anyone after waiting that long for something would do something to screw it up….[/quote]

Yeah it was nandrolone was elevated, but even I swear his terstosterone levels were like quadruple the normal athlete. Like ragging Canadian Bull Moose in Breeding season high. At least that is what I thought I remembered hearing. It is amazing how much time he is getting to get this all squared away. I do not ever recall anyone getting this length of time before a suspension was set forth. Oh well..

should have stripped him and if he wins the appeal then have him face the new champ

[quote comment=”201894″]IT wasnt sherk that wanted it postponed, if you read the story the csac needed a little more time to look over the documents that sherk and his attorneys provided for them,”innocent until proven guilty[/quote]

If you read between the lines, you can see that Sherk’s attorney gave them a bunch of documents at the last second so that there could be another delay to any decision. And nobody is innocent until proven guilty in the court of public opinion.

i’m a pro bodybuilder so i know a little bit about steroids. Drug tests are a joke! If the athlete knows when he has to take the test they are very easly passed. Most steroids will pass the piss test after 2 weeks of being clean! Nandrolone (Deca Durabolia) is not one of them. Gh can be takein right up till the test! I have personly got steroids for a bigger named ufc fighter that had no problems passing the drug test. So just because most fighters pass the drug test that does not mean that he did’t have some help.

i think he’s innocent and i want to see him fight bj…the dude is just a workout freak, anyone who saw him on that inside the ufc thing before his fight with franca would easily be able to believe he works out so hard that his levels of nandrolene are higher than the average fighter…i hope they give us some conclusion to this thing on nov. 13 and not give us anymore delays, we already waited like 10 months for a lw title fight when sherk was hurt, we need to get this division going, there’s all kinds of fighters at 155 that want to fight for that belt…

The stories comming out of the ufc right now seems so f@#*ing weird and stupid its like a Jerry Springer show on steroids.

HEADLINES

UFC vs Captain America!
Killer STAPH attacks UFC fighters!
Din Thomas BUSTED! for human cage fighting!
Sean Sherk Holds the LW hostage!

What a f*#@ing JOKE!

Why did we have to wait ten months for Sherk to heal? When Phil Baroni got hurt they stripped the belt. I do not understand how there can be a 21 month period between Sean Sherk’s two title defenses. That’ almost two years. Look at Anderson Silva, he’s had THREE fights and he’s only been champion for a year and 15 days. What is wrong with the UFC. They should strip the belt nad let Joe Stevenson and BJ Penn fight already, and let Sean Sherk have a shot when he’s ready.

[quote comment=”202029″]Why did we have to wait ten months for Sherk to heal? When Phil Baroni got hurt they stripped the belt. I do not understand how there can be a 21 month period between Sean Sherk’s two title defenses. That’ almost two years. Look at Anderson Silva, he’s had THREE fights and he’s only been champion for a year and 15 days. What is wrong with the UFC. They should strip the belt nad let Joe Stevenson and BJ Penn fight already, and let Sean Sherk have a shot when he’s ready.[/quote]
ive been saying that same thing for weeks on these blogs. im going to UFC 78 and i wish they stripped him and had the
BJ v Joe match there

[quote comment=”202026″]i think he’s innocent and i want to see him fight bj…the dude is just a workout freak, anyone who saw him on that inside the ufc thing before his fight with franca would easily be able to believe he works out so hard that his levels of nandrolene are higher than the average fighter…i hope they give us some conclusion to this thing on nov. 13 and not give us anymore delays, we already waited like 10 months for a lw title fight when sherk was hurt, we need to get this division going, there’s all kinds of fighters at 155 that want to fight for that belt…[/quote]

i read Franca also tested Positive for roids

[quote comment=”202029″]Why did we have to wait ten months for Sherk to heal? When Phil Baroni got hurt they stripped the belt. I do not understand how there can be a 21 month period between Sean Sherk’s two title defenses. That’ almost two years. Look at Anderson Silva, he’s had THREE fights and he’s only been champion for a year and 15 days. What is wrong with the UFC. They should strip the belt nad let Joe Stevenson and BJ Penn fight already, and let Sean Sherk have a shot when he’s ready.[/quote]

u can say the same about Rampage he is injured and i think out for almost a year or so i heard from other people.

This is off the subject but I found a video made right before Elite XC Uprising. It’s an interview with Joe Lauzon and come to find out the guy he’s fighting at UFC 78 comes from Miletich Fighting System and is an impressive 18-0. The interview was done at BJ PENN’s GYM/Training Center in Hilo, Hawaii. Here’s the link: http://www.bjpenn.com/learn/index.php?article_id=705&parent_id=503

PS: I really hope Joe Lauzon wins. Not only do I like him as a fighter, but I want people up in the States to see that there are fighters that BJ PENN is working with that are really impressive( ie: Mike Aina who fought a hard battle with UFC and Pride veteran Nick Diaz.)

“no one, including penn, stevenson or florian…”

Bj penn, even the fat one would own sherk.

bj is younger, his jiujitsu is light years ahead, his wrestling is a little worse, and his striking is far better.

look at Franca vs Sherk, franca had him hurt with knees really badly and nearly finished him, in my opinion bj penn could have finished him. Hermes had him in very tight guillotines and francas jiujitsu is not even close to bjs, so you have to say that bj could have finished the subs, i see it going sort of like a mix between Bj - Gsp rounds 1 and 2 and Bj - hughes first fight

take away his belt already u know he was doing them

[quote comment=”201981″][quote comment=”201904″]WWHHAAAT!!! its taking too long for this division to move ahead, if he is actually guilty after all, he should be out of the UFC not just stripped[/quote]

After this comment I have to say that your name fits you.[/quote]

shut up you arse - are u saying he should keep the belt and let this division wait for him?! get a life u mug, the world revolves a lot faster than you think

What is another few more weeks going to do..he has held the lw up this far.

at least its not another 2 months from now!!!

Here is an interesting article from Sportsnet.ca

http://www2.sportsnet.ca/blogs/rj_broadhead/2007/10/31/beefed_up_defence/

October 31, 2007
Beefed up defence
Sean Sherk remains UFC lightweight champion after the California State Athletic Commission issued another continuance in Sherk’s appeal of his positive test for an illegal substance at UFC 73.

The case is expected to be addressed again in a couple of weeks on November 13th. The Commission granted the continuance to go over the information submitted by Sherk’s lawyer. Over four months will have passed by the time the decision on whether Sherk’s positive test was legit or not and ultimately four months that the top of the lightweight division has been in flux.

My initial belief was either you used a drug or not but after doing some research that’s not necessarily the case. Sherk’s test might not be accurate. He tested positive for Nandrolone which is an anabolic steroid that occurs in small quantities naturally in the human body. There are some things that increase the presence of nandrolone in the body that don’t involve a syringe in the glutes. It is possible for the test that is used to show an increased amount of nandrolone if the person eats a high protein diet combined with creatine and extreme cardiovascular exercise. Which sounds a lot like something a professional athlete would do and it’s perfectly legal.

There have been positive tests that have been linked to eating beef from cows that were injected by steroids. That’s something that some cattle farmers do, pardon the pun, to beef up their livestock because it’s sold by the pound. The heavier the better. There have been other cases being overturned because tests can be skewed by other substances.

Initially it seemed that Sherk didn’t have a leg to stand on but because of the second continuance it appears his attorney might have discovered something that can prove the Lightweight Champ’s innocence. I think I speak for all MMA fans when I say let’s get this decided so that we can get back to calling someone the Champion in the most competitive division in the UFC.

[quote post=”3742″]They were reviewing paperwork submitted on Friday by Sherk’s lawyers. Perhaps they should have submitted that paperwork a touch earlier than last minute?[/quote]

That seems reasonable to me, but I don’t know how the legal system works.

I don’t think its all that bad that we have to wait 2 more weeks. Yeah, it sucks, but its not going to push back any sort of title fight - its ONLY 2 weeks.

To be honest though, at this point, I can really care less if he is found innocent or guilty. I just want to see a LW championship fight!

Definetly ridiculous retaining the title by never defending it is really annoying( 2 fights in 21 months).
If he didn’t take steroids then I could see him appealing it all the way to the end,
but if he knows he did and is dragging out his title contention I hope he gets canned by the ufc again.
I never liked his fighting style and I don’t care for him.
bottom line too long-too many deserving fighters in that division to be waiting especially bj since his next fight date keeps getting bounced around.
I read somewhere the idea of having penn fight stevenson for a title now and then when they know what their doing with sherk, if innocent sherk will fight the winner of penn or stevenson and if guilty then we already have a champion.
When Bj or whomever fights sherk I hope sherk gets crushed.

[quote comment=”202154″][quote post=”3742″]They were reviewing paperwork submitted on Friday by Sherk’s lawyers. Perhaps they should have submitted that paperwork a touch earlier than last minute?[/quote]

That seems reasonable to me, but I don’t know how the legal system works.

I don’t think its all that bad that we have to wait 2 more weeks. Yeah, it sucks, but its not going to push back any sort of title fight - its ONLY 2 weeks.

[/quote]

That’s true, besides the number of contenders for the belt are not that many, we have only Stevenson and Penn, the other fighters are still in mid to upper level fight class(including Huerta)I’m sure we can all wait.

I HATE THE MUSCLE MAN!!!!!! DUDE JUST NEEDS TO BE STRIPPED OF HIS BELT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!

[quote comment=”201915″]Out of the sake of boredom who do you think, fighting in the UFC right now, would be found guilty of using steroids if tested?[/quote]
brock lesar

[quote comment=”202158″]Definetly ridiculous retaining the title by never defending it is really annoying( 2 fights in 21 months).
If he didn’t take steroids then I could see him appealing it all the way to the end,
but if he knows he did and is dragging out his title contention I hope he gets canned by the ufc again.
I never liked his fighting style and I don’t care for him.
bottom line too long-too many deserving fighters in that division to be waiting especially bj since his next fight date keeps getting bounced around.
I read somewhere the idea of having penn fight stevenson for a title now and then when they know what their doing with sherk, if innocent sherk will fight the winner of penn or stevenson and if guilty then we already have a champion.
When Bj or whomever fights sherk I hope sherk gets crushed.[/quote]

You are right Jesse.
The LW division shouldn’t have to wait for Sherk. This is his problem and he should let the UFC hold a title fight, so the LW division can have a champ. And when Sherk is done with his court, and everything is cleared up, he should get a instant title shot to whoever is the champ(only if he is cleared of the positive test)

The LW division fighters have waited on title fights before over other problems. Can we just have constant LW title fights in the UFC ever?

This is crap. The LW belt has been fought for twice in two years. The WW belt is on hold while we wait for the end of TUF 6. By the time Serra fights Hughes it will be 8 months between title fights. The HW belt is in limbo now because of Randy “Cry Me A River” Couture. I want some title fights, dargbloomit!

I don’t get all the people yelling for him to be stripped. He has his right to defend himself, and the commission needs to take all the time they need to make sure the correct decision is made.

There have been plenty of suspensions overturned throughout the years. Nate Marquardt is a perfect example of why you shouldn’t jump to conclusions.

And stop trying to act like armchair doctors. I’m sure everyone here is well versed in how his workout could change his testosterone from wikipedia…

[quote comment=”202171″]That’s true, besides the number of contenders for the belt are not that many, we have only Stevenson and Penn, the other fighters are still in mid to upper level fight class(including Huerta)I’m sure we can all wait.[/quote]

Well there are 3 who are considered to have earned their shot (penn, stevenson, florian). Tyson Griffin is pretty close as well after beating Guida and Tavares. If Huerta beast Guida I’d consider him up there. Same goes for Edgar if he beats Fisher.

As it is these guys are going to be pit up against each other, and someone who might have had a more prestigious fight (title shot) might not get one. I’m not saying it’s anyone’s fault, as my earlier post stated they should take all the time they need. However, it sucks to think a guy like Florian might be 3-4 fights away from another shot with the belt tied up.