What thread on what forum?????

$4,800? Wow.. that is not worth it. That gash was awful when they showed it on the big screen. After they stopped the fight (rightfully so) Kalib threw his mouth piece at the doctor it seemed and had to be restrained.

Nevermind..I’m slow today.

[quote comment=”190385″]Nevermind..I’m slow today.[/quote]

Thought so. It’s early.

That looks nasty.

I thought the UFC paid for all medical?
I guess I was wrong.

Mania”..Do you know?

[quote comment=”190392″]I thought the UFC paid for all medical?
I guess I was wrong.

Mania”..Do you know?[/quote]

thats what i thought

From what I know the UFC does do a good job in taking care of all medical bills..in regards to a UFC fight. Surgery, meds, rehab..if you got hurt in the octagon they take good care of you.

that s shocking!how could ufc let the fighters pay for their injuries received in their fight.And after yu hear mister PRESIDENTE says:”we take care of our fighters and we treat them well”.

[quote comment=”190392″]I thought the UFC paid for all medical?
I guess I was wrong.

Mania”..Do you know?[/quote]

UFC pays for medical expenses incurred during a fight. Starnes is talking about what he put in for training, etc. before the fight.

He should at least be making enough to pay for health insurance. I think that cut would qualify and he would not have to pay a thing. Given his profession, Im surprised he doesn’t pay it.

$4800 is crap to come out with. figure you fight 4 times a year, you make under $20K a year. I make more than that and I don’t ever take knees to the face at work.

[quote comment=”190424″]He should at least be making enough to pay for health insurance. I think that cut would qualify and he would not have to pay a thing. Given his profession, Im surprised he doesn’t pay it.[/quote]

Read people. It’s the training that cost him $ — NOT THE MEDICAL BILLS.

[quote comment=”190427″]$4800 is crap to come out with. figure you fight 4 times a year, you make under $20K a year. I make more than that and I don’t ever take knees to the face at work.[/quote]
exactly what I was thinking. Granted, starnes is a B fighter, but still, he’s on televised bouts currently fighting for arguably the premier MMA fight league & potentially could make 7,000 X3 or 4 fights in a year.

Unless sponsorships is how these guys sustain themselves while training full time

it’s in the following thread I also posted in yesterday:

http://www.sherdog.net/forums/showthread.php?t=665412

The reason Starnes gets paid so crappy is b/c he signed his contract right off of TUF 3. If you sign a contract after that show you are screwed for the next 3 years. Koscheck is still on his “rookie” contract, and he got paid 10k for fighting GSP. I’m pretty sure Starnes is on a similar deal. TUF gives these guys a chance to fight in the UFC and they choose to sign the deal b/c it is a huge opportunity.

It’s just like a rookie contract in the NBA. Pay you dues on your crappy contract, then sign a big deal at the end of it if you do well enough. Plus, Starnes spent less than 10 minutes in the ring. I’d fight Alan Belcher for 10k. He’d knock my ass out and give me a concussion, but I would also have 10,000 bucks in my pocket.

That’s very unfortunate. I don’t quite see how it costs about $24,000 to train for one fight (five times $4800). I imagine sponsors send the shorts, gloves, mouth pieces, etc. Some gyms let pro fighters train for free.

He must be including his basic living expenses - housing, transportation, and food… or maybe he pays a team of guys (boxing coach, nutritionist, etc.).

I would have to agree with him that it’s not worth it unless he’s coming out ahead. Maybe it’s time to open a gym, compete in local jiu jitsu tournaments, and give lessons.

On the bright side, chicks dig scars.

Kalib could have made more from his fight with sponsorships but he didn’t. I know because I tried to sponsor him and his management team said my website (www.pickmmafights.com) was a gambling website. He would have gotten more, but his management team screwed him there as well.

I liked when he yelled FU to the doctor. That was great.

I feel bad for these underpaid guys, but yeah you’re right….RE-signing is the key, depends on Qualif, and just straight-up how good you are, I make more than him too, but yeah Shitty for some of those guys! I know some guys just love to scrap, but you gotta put dinner on the table.

He got paid fairly in my opinion - hes not world class, not even good to watch and on top of that his fight pace was crap, he looked like he was scared in the cage - and then made out like he was well hard by throwing a bitch tantrum after the fight. This dude does not belong in the UFC.

I’ve been reading into the drama around Randy Couture’s choice to leave the UFC and his reasons why as well why Fedor decided to sign with M-1 Global instead of the UFC, and they really painted a negative picture of the organization for me from the fighter’s point of view. This just seems like another example of how the UFC really exploits it’s fighters… The UFC makes MILLIONS off of each pay-per-view event and they only show case a hand full of fighters, you would think that fighter who is actually shown on the event would get a bigger piece of the pie than just 4,800$; that’s chump change and that’s freaking crazy. Hell no that ain’t worth it. By the way, have they released what the fighters’ incomes were for this event yet?

WTF? With M-1 Global’s less restraining open contract policy which will allow their fighters to fight in other organizations it will be interesting how they compete with the UFC while they are coming into the game with a more fighter friendly mentality. Really, I can’t see why these guys do it. Maybe there just needs to be another promotion that has as much air time and notoriety as the UFC to attract quality fighters, because that seems to be all the UFC is running on.

That is the worst head gash I have ever seen in the UFC. I bet he didn’t even feel it.

[quote comment=”190619″]That is the worst head gash I have ever seen in the UFC. I bet he didn’t even feel it.[/quote]

You should watch the Vitor Belfort vs Marvin Eastman UFC fight.. What a viscious cut that was.

[quote comment=”190463″][quote comment=”190427″]$4800 is crap to come out with. figure you fight 4 times a year, you make under $20K a year. I make more than that and I don’t ever take knees to the face at work.[/quote]
exactly what I was thinking. Granted, starnes is a B fighter, but still, he’s on televised bouts currently fighting for arguably the premier MMA fight league & potentially could make 7,000 X3 or 4 fights in a year.

Unless sponsorships is how these guys sustain themselves while training full time[/quote]

There is no real way for these guys to demand more money other than to sign with a different organization. That is why there needs to be a fighters union. Allow these guys to fight and make it a living. Not have to worry about how much money they are going to make every year.

There contracts should be structured the same way a professional basketball players contract is. They make X amount of dollars per year. Also in the contract the UFC provides some sort of health insurance policy that covers the fighter and his or her family.

Don’t worry mania I know this is not why Starnes is upset. This is a different issue stemming from his comments.

[quote comment=”190433″][quote comment=”190424″]He should at least be making enough to pay for health insurance. I think that cut would qualify and he would not have to pay a thing. Given his profession, Im surprised he doesn’t pay it.[/quote]

Read people. It’s the training that cost him $ — NOT THE MEDICAL BILLS.[/quote]

Sorry, the way the quote says
“Two layers about 15-20 [stitches] in the meat, and 15-20 in the skin…. It cost me about five times as much as I made just to train for that fight,”

I thought that was a comma after skin, not a period, so I thought “it” was referring to the injury. The quote is a bit confusing.

[quote comment=”190516″]Kalib could have made more from his fight with sponsorships but he didn’t. I know because I tried to sponsor him and his management team said my website (www.pickmmafights.com) was a gambling website. He would have gotten more, but his management team screwed him there as well.[/quote]

I have new found respect for Kalib Starnes value system. Gambling sites are bloodsuckers.

Wow he really got his wig split!

[quote comment=”190427″]$4800 is crap to come out with. figure you fight 4 times a year, you make under $20K a year. I make more than that and I don’t ever take knees to the face at work.[/quote]

deduct training expenses and he makes close to minimum wage. i can see fighters doing that if the UFC is the only game in town because you fight for a bigger payday down the line but with competing orgs there is really no good reason to fight for that chump change. I don’t care about his TUF contract or bonuses most fighters do not get. Dana should rip the contract up and give these guys a livable wage. fighters are the lifeblood of the UFC future.

[quote comment=”190684″][quote comment=”190516″]Kalib could have made more from his fight with sponsorships but he didn’t. I know because I tried to sponsor him and his management team said my website (www.pickmmafights.com) was a gambling website. He would have gotten more, but his management team screwed him there as well.[/quote]

I have new found respect for Kalib Starnes value system. Gambling sites are bloodsuckers.[/quote]
They didn’t want my sponsorship because his management team is funded by a gambling company and they thought it was a conflict of interest. My site isn’t a gambling site which made me even more pissed about it.

If I remember correctly, I heard hime yell out,

“he can see my f—ing skull”

why would he yell that to the guy (Dr.) who just examined him. This doesn’t make any sense.

where can one see that fight?

Dana White, the White boy PIMP!

[quote comment=”190777″]If I remember correctly, I heard hime yell out,

“he can see my f—ing skull”

why would he yell that to the guy (Dr.) who just examined him. This doesn’t make any sense.[/quote]

I think he said it to someone outside of the octagon. He was looking out of the cage when he said it… or so I thought. I thought Rogan said, while commentating, that it was someone in his corner.

Kalib did say something like: I told him that I wanted to continue - just before the skull comment.

Seeing the skull is creepy… The Eastman cut via Belfort’s knee is the only one that I can think of that looked worse.

[quote comment=”190560″]I’ve been reading into the drama around Randy Couture’s choice to leave the UFC and his reasons why as well why Fedor decided to sign with M-1 Global instead of the UFC, and they really painted a negative picture of the organization for me from the fighter’s point of view. This just seems like another example of how the UFC really exploits it’s fighters… The UFC makes MILLIONS off of each pay-per-view event and they only show case a hand full of fighters, you would think that fighter who is actually shown on the event would get a bigger piece of the pie than just 4,800$; that’s chump change and that’s freaking crazy. Hell no that ain’t worth it. By the way, have they released what the fighters’ incomes were for this event yet?

WTF? With M-1 Global’s less restraining open contract policy which will allow their fighters to fight in other organizations it will be interesting how they compete with the UFC while they are coming into the game with a more fighter friendly mentality. Really, I can’t see why these guys do it. Maybe there just needs to be another promotion that has as much air time and notoriety as the UFC to attract quality fighters, because that seems to be all the UFC is running on.[/quote]

I’ve been saying the same thing Gene, I think most everyone on here knows these guys on main cards are grossly underpaid and they fight on the hopes of making it. When fighters like this are exploited it really diminishes the sport, and keeps it at the “human cockfighting” level.

His corner said something about him quitting like a pussy… he was yelling at his corner, not the doktor.

[quote comment=”190859″][quote comment=”190777″]If I remember correctly, I heard hime yell out,

“he can see my f—ing skull”

why would he yell that to the guy (Dr.) who just examined him. This doesn’t make any sense.[/quote]

I think he said it to someone outside of the octagon. He was looking out of the cage when he said it… or so I thought. I thought Rogan said, while commentating, that it was someone in his corner.

Kalib did say something like: I told him that I wanted to continue - just before the skull comment.

Seeing the skull is creepy… The Eastman cut via Belfort’s knee is the only one that I can think of that looked worse.[/quote]

Kaliib’s word were directed at his corner and his exact words after the doctor called the stoppage was:

“I told him I wanted to fight. Don’t you fucking do that to me. I told him I wanted to fight. He told me he saw my skull. Fuck you! Don’t do that to me.”

That is the quote exactly. Apparently his corner was yelling at the doctor that the stoppage was bullshit, but the corner man was looking at Kalib. Kalib thought his corner was yelling at him for quitting so he went off. They have since kissed and made up. The last part is according to his post on Sherdog.

[quote comment=”190528″]I liked when he yelled FU to the doctor. That was great.[/quote]
HE DIDNT YELL FU TO THE DOCTOR, HE YELLED FU TO HIS CORNERMEN

[quote comment=”190793″]where can one see that fight?[/quote]
LET ME GET MY TIME MACHINE OUT “BOB” SO I CAN TAKE YOU BACK IN TIME AND YOU CAN PAY FOR IT LIKE ALL OF US DID. J.K.,,, YOU CAN PROBABLY YOUTUBE IT, OR GO TO UFC ON DEMAND

[quote comment=”190859″][quote comment=”190777″]If I remember correctly, I heard hime yell out,

“he can see my f—ing skull”

why would he yell that to the guy (Dr.) who just examined him. This doesn’t make any sense.[/quote]

I think he said it to someone outside of the octagon. He was looking out of the cage when he said it… or so I thought. I thought Rogan said, while commentating, that it was someone in his corner.

Kalib did say something like: I told him that I wanted to continue - just before the skull comment.

Seeing the skull is creepy… The Eastman cut via Belfort’s knee is the only one that I can think of that looked worse.[/quote]
Forrests cut was nasty dude the only reason that it wasnt stopped is because Shogun didnt punch him anymore after that elbow in the ground the rest of the fight he was just huffin and puffin and then making some weird noise because he was being chocked so Forrest got lucky

I dont mean that Forrest got lucky in general, He is a Bad ass fighter and completly kicked shoguns ass. I was simply using lucky as a word. Let me rephrase it Forrest did an excellent job in avoiding any further damage the rest of the fight which helped him by his cut not bleeding like crazy or the gash increasing in size, therefore he won in high fashion.

I think the doctor asked him if he wanted to continue and he Starnes said yes, the corner men asked the doctor how bad it was and he said I can see his skull and they called it quits for him, Starnes had told his corner and the DR. he wanted to continue and was yelling at the Dr. in anger because he listened to his corner and stopped the fight, which is for his protection but as we all have seen in previous fights : perfect example the Josh Neer vs Guillard fight, any other ref would have stopped that fight specially since Neers face was covered in blood and he was getting pounded from the top, would any of you guess or bet money that Neer was going ton win that fight, I sure as hell didnt think so but out of knowhere triangle choke so damn all those fights that are stopped due to a cut are questionable who knows myb Starnes would have knocked him out or submitted him, that really sucks for the fighter

[quote comment=”190560″]I’ve been reading into the drama around Randy Couture’s choice to leave the UFC and his reasons why as well why Fedor decided to sign with M-1 Global instead of the UFC, and they really painted a negative picture of the organization for me from the fighter’s point of view. This just seems like another example of how the UFC really exploits it’s fighters… The UFC makes MILLIONS off of each pay-per-view event and they only show case a hand full of fighters, you would think that fighter who is actually shown on the event would get a bigger piece of the pie than just 4,800$; that’s chump change and that’s freaking crazy. Hell no that ain’t worth it. By the way, have they released what the fighters’ incomes were for this event yet?

WTF? With M-1 Global’s less restraining open contract policy which will allow their fighters to fight in other organizations it will be interesting how they compete with the UFC while they are coming into the game with a more fighter friendly mentality. Really, I can’t see why these guys do it. Maybe there just needs to be another promotion that has as much air time and notoriety as the UFC to attract quality fighters, because that seems to be all the UFC is running on.[/quote]

I agree 1000% (not a typo)… Dana has way tooo much control over the fighters in this respect. If he’s not careful, you will see some fighter’s association form the way player’s associations exist in other pro sports. The respect factor for MMA has come a long way - time to pony up for the ones who make their livelihood doing this and risking their health and well-being for our enjoyment.

I think they are underpaid but this is just like the record industry or the movie industry. People will do anything to “make” it. But once they get there they realize it isn’t what it’s all cracked up to be.

[quote comment=”190657″][quote comment=”190463″][quote comment=”190427″]$4800 is crap to come out with. figure you fight 4 times a year, you make under $20K a year. I make more than that and I don’t ever take knees to the face at work.[/quote]
exactly what I was thinking. Granted, starnes is a B fighter, but still, he’s on televised bouts currently fighting for arguably the premier MMA fight league & potentially could make 7,000 X3 or 4 fights in a year.

Unless sponsorships is how these guys sustain themselves while training full time[/quote]

There is no real way for these guys to demand more money other than to sign with a different organization. That is why there needs to be a fighters union. Allow these guys to fight and make it a living. Not have to worry about how much money they are going to make every year.

There contracts should be structured the same way a professional basketball players contract is. They make X amount of dollars per year. Also in the contract the UFC provides some sort of health insurance policy that covers the fighter and his or her family.

Don’t worry mania I know this is not why Starnes is upset. This is a different issue stemming from his comments.[/quote]

I agree 100%

[quote comment=”191159″]I think they are underpaid but this is just like the record industry or the movie industry. People will do anything to “make” it. But once they get there they realize it isn’t what it’s all cracked up to be.[/quote]

I disagree with that comment. If you are part of the record industry and are performing in front of a huge audience, you are paid well for your performance. If you star in a mainstream film, you are also compensated very well.

It’s a slap in the face for these guys to train their asses off for a main card fight and lose money at the end of the day.

These guys should be getting a minimum of $25k per fight, period.

[quote comment=”191051″][quote comment=”190560″]I’ve been reading into the drama around Randy Couture’s choice to leave the UFC and his reasons why as well why Fedor decided to sign with M-1 Global instead of the UFC, and they really painted a negative picture of the organization for me from the fighter’s point of view. This just seems like another example of how the UFC really exploits it’s fighters… The UFC makes MILLIONS off of each pay-per-view event and they only show case a hand full of fighters, you would think that fighter who is actually shown on the event would get a bigger piece of the pie than just 4,800$; that’s chump change and that’s freaking crazy. Hell no that ain’t worth it. By the way, have they released what the fighters’ incomes were for this event yet?

WTF? With M-1 Global’s less restraining open contract policy which will allow their fighters to fight in other organizations it will be interesting how they compete with the UFC while they are coming into the game with a more fighter friendly mentality. Really, I can’t see why these guys do it. Maybe there just needs to be another promotion that has as much air time and notoriety as the UFC to attract quality fighters, because that seems to be all the UFC is running on.[/quote]

I agree 1000% (not a typo)… Dana has way tooo much control over the fighters in this respect. If he’s not careful, you will see some fighter’s association form the way player’s associations exist in other pro sports. The respect factor for MMA has come a long way - time to pony up for the ones who make their livelihood doing this and risking their health and well-being for our enjoyment.[/quote]

Screw that whole fighter union crap. People are paid what they are worth in life. Unions make it so that people are overpaid for doing their job. If you aren’t happy with what you’re paid, find a job that pays better. The reason Starnes is a fighter is because he can’t find a job that where he can put in the effort he does and make the money he does. If Starnes doesn’t take that fight, there are hundreds of guys who would get in there and take the fight without bitching.

How hard is it to find two guys who will fight each other for 10,000 dollars. Starnes was in the cage for about 6 minutes. If you do the math on it, homeboy made almost 50k an hour for that fight. You find me a job where I can make 50k an hour and I don’t give a damn what I have to do, I won’t be bitching about it.

c’mn fighters form a union!! dont wait for dana’s table scraps.

i think the fans would rather see that than have all the fighters split up into different organizations that have their own agendas.

if the ufc is serious that their goal is to have the best fighters fight the best fighters then they need to pay the best.

im curious as to what randy will comment about his compensation at his press conference.

also for all you people that think kalib starnes and other tuf are paid adequatly compensated, c’mon. he isnt my favorite fighter, infact i dont like him. but $4500 bucks is insulting considering that it was televised on ppv.

[quote comment=”190510″]That’s very unfortunate. I don’t quite see how it costs about $24,000 to train for one fight (five times $4800). I imagine sponsors send the shorts, gloves, mouth pieces, etc. Some gyms let pro fighters train for free.

He must be including his basic living expenses - housing, transportation, and food… or maybe he pays a team of guys (boxing coach, nutritionist, etc.).

I would have to agree with him that it’s not worth it unless he’s coming out ahead. Maybe it’s time to open a gym, compete in local jiu jitsu tournaments, and give lessons.

On the bright side, chicks dig scars.[/quote]

That’s true. I’m a chick, and I can verify this is true. Scars are hot.

This is why MMA rulles in the U.S. suck. There should be no elbows period most elbos cause cuts and no body wants to see a win due to a doctor stopage.

The UFC needs to do away with elbows and allow knees from all positions and kicks to downed opponet Japan rules were the best for the fans and the fighter.

its embarrasing when kenny florian celebrates the fact that he can cut his opponet with his bony elbows to win via doctor stoppage

[quote comment=”191536″][quote comment=”190510″]That’s very unfortunate. I don’t quite see how it costs about $24,000 to train for one fight (five times $4800). I imagine sponsors send the shorts, gloves, mouth pieces, etc. Some gyms let pro fighters train for free.

He must be including his basic living expenses - housing, transportation, and food… or maybe he pays a team of guys (boxing coach, nutritionist, etc.).

I would have to agree with him that it’s not worth it unless he’s coming out ahead. Maybe it’s time to open a gym, compete in local jiu jitsu tournaments, and give lessons.

On the bright side, chicks dig scars.[/quote]

That’s true. I’m a chick, and I can verify this is true. Scars are hot.[/quote]

lol…knuckleheads.

[quote comment=”190777″]If I remember correctly, I heard hime yell out,

“he can see my f—ing skull”

why would he yell that to the guy (Dr.) who just examined him. This doesn’t make any sense.[/quote]

Yeah. I haven’t read the thread yet. But he definitely yelled that. He said:

“I wanted to fight…He said he could see my skull”. Or something to that effect. Surely he was arguing with his corner.

[quote comment=”191865″]This is why MMA rulles in the U.S. suck. There should be no elbows period most elbos cause cuts and no body wants to see a win due to a doctor stopage.

The UFC needs to do away with elbows and allow knees from all positions and kicks to downed opponet Japan rules were the best for the fans and the fighter.[/quote]
dude soccer kicks and stops to the head are not very safe, a cut heals up but brain damage umm i dont think so

[quote comment=”190528″]I liked when he yelled FU to the doctor. That was great.[/quote]

[quote comment=”190859″][quote comment=”190777″]If I remember correctly, I heard hime yell out,

“he can see my f—ing skull”

why would he yell that to the guy (Dr.) who just examined him. This doesn’t make any sense.[/quote]

I think he said it to someone outside of the octagon. He was looking out of the cage when he said it… or so I thought. I thought Rogan said, while commentating, that it was someone in his corner.

Kalib did say something like: I told him that I wanted to continue - just before the skull comment.

Seeing the skull is creepy… The Eastman cut via Belfort’s knee is the only one that I can think of that looked worse.[/quote]

Does anyone click on the link to the article? He clearly explains what happens. He yelled FU to his corner, because of a misunderstanding, he thought the corner was asking HIM why he stopped the fight, but his corner’s remarks were directed toward the dr or ref. I read it yesterday. Click the link if you want the FACTS instead of creating false rumors.

[quote post=”3673″]I liked when he yelled FU to the doctor. That was great. [/quote]
I don’t think he was yelling at the doctor, I believe he was pissed at his corner guys, for getting after him for quiting. That’s why he was yelling at them,”the doctor said, he could see my skull”.

what is the stuff they put on b4 the fight???????????????????

on their face