what!!! you guys are just killing franklin in this blog…. you think its a for sur lost or somthing… i see this is gonna be a good fight.. but franklin has a better chance then matt serra did against gsp…. so stop hating
This is going to be a good fight. Rich is a smart man and I think he will bring some new stuff to the table and I think he CAN beat Anderson. Silva can be beat, I thought Travis Luter had a good chance to beat him and did well against him. I am going for Rich Franklin round 3 TKO…
He better have an answer for the clinch this time and if he doesn’t it will be the same as last time. I would really like to see him win but I just don’t thik it’s gonna happen.
Rich is has mentally lost the fight in my book..look at Rich’s expression on his face when Silva beat Nate Marq. He is doomed on Saturday..that type of beating is not easily shrugged off.. his 2-0 after he met Silva..and after Silva part2..he’ll be 2-1..And the shit is..he asked for this fight to be in cincy..be careful for what you wish for.. Murda in Cincy..prime suspect the brazilian Anderson ” da Spida ” Silva
Rich is a smart guy, I’d be surprised if he made the same mistakes twice. Although, I think it will take the best performance of his career to beat Anderson Silva. I wish him the best of luck, otherwise the only one I can see really giving Anderson a strong test would be Hendo. Of course that’s IF they get him signed again and IF he drops down in weight, so I’m not holding my breath for either of those things to happen.
It’s possible that Silva is in his head but that’s where the fight always starts and Franklin is too much of a champion to let that affect him. I’d like to see him win, which will probably be by decision, if not Silva will end it then.
[quote comment=”181248″]He better have an answer for the clinch this time and if he doesn’t it will be the same as last time. I would really like to see him win but I just don’t thik it’s gonna happen.[/quote]
..My beef with Rich on the clinch subject is how on earth does a UFC Champ not know or get trained to deal with a Muay Thai Clinch. Silva put Rich in the clinch and Rich had no answer for it..Like he wasn’t the Champ..and didn’t train like a champ. I don’t know what training in the mountains of Wyoming is going to do for him. He should of went straight to Thailand.
I will never understand in a million years how you franklin nut huggers can see him beating Anderson Silva. he got completely destroyed the last fight. I can see if the fight was close and silva won by decision. then it would make more since to go for franklin besides just loving the way his pubes taste. Lets be realistic here. Anderson Silva by first or second round ko. some of you guys are saying that franklin is sooo smart. well Anderson Silva is too. he already has franklin completely mentally beaten and he continues to improve as a fighter. let franklins nuts go… please
I think you guys are forgetting that Rich Franklin is an elite fighter. Had he lost that first fight to Silva in a much closer bout I don’t think there would be so many people saying it is impossible for Franklin to win. That being said, most of the damage was done in Silva’s clinch, and I’m willing to bet that Franklin is now sufficiently prepared for the clinch. It will be a good fight and I have a feeling that Rich will find a way to win it.
I dont think in the first fight Rich knew how good Silva was in the grip. After he got locked up it was to late. He took a huge knee to the nose and it was all over from there. I think any of the ELITE fighters that take a shot from another ELITE fighter can loose. As you get as good as these guys are the fight can go any direction and be becomes more of a stratigic fight rather than im bigger than you are type of thing. Rich is a bigger stronger MW and I think if he hit from the outside (Chuck L. style) and then get some good take downs and GNP. I think he will have a goot shot at getting HIS title back…
[quote comment=”181276″]I will never understand in a million years how you franklin nut huggers can see him beating Anderson Silva. he got completely destroyed the last fight. I can see if the fight was close and silva won by decision. then it would make more since to go for franklin besides just loving the way his pubes taste. Lets be realistic here. Anderson Silva by first or second round ko. some of you guys are saying that franklin is sooo smart. well Anderson Silva is too. he already has franklin completely mentally beaten and he continues to improve as a fighter. let franklins nuts go… please[/quote]
I guess it always easy and safe to just root for the favorite. How boring. Do you have any nuts?
I expect more of what we have already seen… I imagine a stoppage that looks more like the Marquardt fight.
Just with Rich on the bottom… but it will likely see three rounds to get there.
I just can’t see Rich eating all those bombs from all those angles, up or down… Silva is just bringing pain from all parts of the game. Rich is good… maybe even great, but i don’t see anyone bringing Silva down. Rich is a very solid 2nd, in fact the drop to third @ 185lb is significant.
I don’t know who can beat Rich other then the Champ.
Hendo.. but he’s not official yet.
[quote comment=”181256″]Rich is has mentally lost the fight in my book..look at Rich’s expression on his face when Silva beat Nate Marq. He is doomed on Saturday..that type of beating is not easily shrugged off.. his 2-0 after he met Silva..and after Silva part2..he’ll be 2-1..And the shit is..he asked for this fight to be in cincy..be careful for what you wish for.. Murda in Cincy..prime suspect the brazilian Anderson ” da Spida ” Silva[/quote]
yup, I noticed that as well, my concern is his mental status and game, he doesn’t come off as confident in his interviews, but on the other hand he’s being realistic, so that means he’s being analytical and looking at Silva’s weak points which is good…. no doubt Rich has the ability to take it to the ground wrestling style execute his GnP game… but will he have flashbacks during the fight and try to stand with Silva after he gets tag once or twice?… BETTER NOT!!
I’m sure Silva’s takedown defense has been improving, so that’s another big difference since their last fight.
I’m going on a limb here and prediciting a smarter Rich (better not gas out!) and win by decision.
The only thing that really concerns me is his camp…. I hear nothing about practicing his wrestling and nothing about new coaches… I like Jorge Gurgel but I’m not confident in his coaching abilities for this particular fight and this is Rich’s main coach in the fight
Rich is done. You can tell by seeing it in Rich’s face when silva killed nate, you can see it in this interview, and you can tell by Rich’s two fights since the lost. Anything that Rich tries to throw at Silva….. Silva will counter with ease. Ground, submissions, boxing, Muay Thai, and even confidence levels.
Rich is just very athletic. Thats how he has been able to hang in the UFC till now. Now that the UFC is signing all the crazy talent he wont be able to hang. Rich Franklin has been fighting for a few years. Silva has been training his entire LIFE.
Down with Franklin and down with all the Silva haters. Silva is the real deal. Better recognize!
Rich is goign to have a tough fight on his hands. I won’t see he’ll lose for sure because well, everyone thought Randy didnt’ have a chance against silvia and serra didn’t have a chance against GSP and look what happened? any fighter can be beat on any given day. its all a matter of who gets that first crucial blow in. the first time Silva did. Maybe this time Rich will. who knows? If i had the extra cash i’d put it on Rich, since i’d imagine the odds are against him by at least 3:1.
Personally i’d like to see Silva get his ass beat just so we won’t have to see that smug look on his face.
[quote comment=”181323″]I expect more of what we have already seen… I imagine a stoppage that looks more like the Marquardt fight.
Just with Rich on the bottom… but it will likely see three rounds to get there.
I just can’t see Rich eating all those bombs from all those angles, up or down… Silva is just bringing pain from all parts of the game. Rich is good… maybe even great, but i don’t see anyone bringing Silva down. Rich is a very solid 2nd, in fact the drop to third @ 185lb is significant.
I don’t know who can beat Rich other then the Champ.
Hendo.. but he’s not official yet.
Rank Em’ Up Fellas.
Rich-
Striking
- 8.5
Grappling - 8
Takedown D - 7.5
Ground Game- 7
Power
Anyone dis/or agree… i tried to keep close to realty.
BZ[/quote]
Silva should have better ground game being a BJJ expert. But to say that he has more power, heart, and intelligence is absurd. I’m not saying Rich is going to win, I’d like for him to, but don’t underestimate him.
[quote comment=”181307″]He should have a good answer for the clinch this time. Just bear hug and ankle pick. He will land in half guard.[/quote]
you mean bear hug, trip?… Rich better not get his head low unless he’s got a double leg on him… he’ll get knee’d in the head all over again if he goes for an ankle pick… Bear hugs,Trips, doubles is what he needs to do.
“Silva should have better ground game being a BJJ expert. But to say that he has more power, heart, and intelligence is absurd. I’m not saying Rich is going to win, I’d like for him to, but don’t underestimate him. ”
Ground game i agree.. just didnt clarify my orig. statement enough.
Silva does likely have the strength advantage.. look how he toy’d with Ace in the first bout. Plus who’s the next strongest @ 185. Marquardt (well thats no good) and Okami who Rich handled well.
Strentgh: Silva.
Rich looks nervous.. everyone can see it. He knows it, he’s a pro, he’s handling it, however when your scared, your not a killer… Anderson Silva will knock your block off first opportunity that presents itself Whos heart is in it more?Heart: Silva.
Intelligence: I think Rich makes good-sound gameplans on an opponent by opponent basis, however he is guilty of sticking to it no matter who crappy it’s working. See Versus
Lyoto, see Versus Silva one. Silva will switch it up in the cage.. he watches tape prefight, and has multiple plans of attack
Itelligence:Silva.
Im not hating Franklin, i like him, he is just outclassed.
But im watching Sat to be proven wrong.
But i doubt it.
even if Rich has figured out the clinch and how to escape from it, do you honestly think that Silva has no other game than that? I sincerely hope that Rich has worked on a lot more than that because Silva is no one trick pony. His last 3 fights… Round 1 KO of Franklin fight from Muay Thai clinch strikes, Round 2 of Lutter fight by triangle choke submission, Round 1 of Marquardt fight by Referee stoppage from G ‘n’ P. Don’t get me wrong Rich is a good fighter and anyone has a chance in this sport but Silva will own him again. Rich can flip as many tires as he likes and do his BJJ training with Gurgel but those aren’t gonna stop him. I’d take a BJJ blackbelt from Noguera anyday. Good luck Rich and one last question…
I kno a Half dead Lutter mounted Silva and i think Rcih has equally as good ground positioning as Lutter so i think that a healthy Rich mounted on Silva spells good night for the champ. Now saying that…
Let’s be realistic. Anderson Silva is as close at gets to being unbeatable. I’m sure the majority of us would love to see Franklin win, but the only chance he has is if Silva has some sort of freak injury early in the fight.
I think this will be a lot closer than people predict. Rich is an intelligent fighter and has undeniable will.
You guys know these math teachers they are clinical in everything they do, lol. I think he knows what he has to do and he has the tools to do it. However some fighters you can’t really plan for and I believe Silva is one of those guys.
It will be a close one, my money though is on Silva.
Did you see that Article on Adam Smith ( StrikeForce )..he tested positive for 2 types of Roids..Coke..weed..the guy made MMA history the wrong way.[/quote]
Did you mean Smith tested for 2 types of roids, AND coke, weed??
Or were you saying coke and weed were the 2 types of roids??
Incase you didn’t know. Coke and weed are NOT steroids.
..if WEED is a ROID?…….then im “JUICED-UP”
I’m still going with Silva but Franklin will come out with all that he has. We might be able to see the 2 best fights of the year on Saturday night and I just hope these fights live up to their expectations.
why you all killing rich frankln even the fight has not been started yet? you all discredting this guy just because he lost very bad in his fist fight against silva,but before that im sure you all know how good rich the way he fight,the way he finish his opponent,etc.. im prett 100% sure that it will never be desame compare the 1st time,
if nate marquardt & travis luther didnt caughtby the tahi clinch by silva,then why not franklin? im a fan of both guys, both can win. but if anderson wins,it will not be desame as last time
Franklin is a class act… a bit humbled maybe… I hope he does better this time around… much respect for Silva as well… except for that air guitar thing he does when he wins.
[quote comment=”181448″]Let’s be realistic. Anderson Silva is as close at gets to being unbeatable. I’m sure the majority of us would love to see Franklin win, but the only chance he has is if Silva has some sort of freak injury early in the fight.[/quote]
Wrong. Nobody is anywhere close to unbeatable. Look at Silva’s record. 4 losses i think. And Chonin made him look silly in their bout. Silva was gassed and got hit with a submission out of a bad kung fu movie. Any fighter on any given day!
Did you see that Article on Adam Smith ( StrikeForce )..he tested positive for 2 types of Roids..Coke..weed..the guy made MMA history the wrong way.[/quote]
Did you mean Smith tested for 2 types of roids, AND coke, weed??
Or were you saying coke and weed were the 2 types of roids??
Incase you didn’t know. Coke and weed are NOT steroids.
..if WEED is a ROID?…….then im “JUICED-UP”[/quote]
Dude..He tested positive for 2 types of Roids…”AND”
Coke and weed..I should of been more detailed in my wording.
[quote comment=”182099″][quote comment=”181448″]Let’s be realistic. Anderson Silva is as close at gets to being unbeatable. I’m sure the majority of us would love to see Franklin win, but the only chance he has is if Silva has some sort of freak injury early in the fight.[/quote]
Wrong. Nobody is anywhere close to unbeatable. Look at Silva’s record. 4 losses i think. And Chonin made him look silly in their bout. Silva was gassed and got hit with a submission out of a bad kung fu movie. Any fighter on any given day![/quote]
I agree. If you want to look at it in terms of close to being unbeatable (and nobody is unbeatable) then theoritically, based on record, Rich Franklin is closer to that than Silva (22 wins and 2 losses vs. 19 wins and 4 losses). Why would it only take a freak injury to Silva for Franklin to win? As I had said before, he is an extremely intelligent fighter who has had a year to review Silva’s game. I’m assuming that somewhere in the past, when Franklin was running the MW division, you said something along the lines of “he is a solid fighter”. You shouldn’t change your thoughts based on one fight.
The use of MMA math is a stupid idea, we all know that. Well so is the thought of using a previous match up’s results to completely predict a future match up’s results, regardless of how convincingly that win was earned. (Does a forrest vs. shogun rematch in the future guarantee a forrest win?) C’mon guys, we are true MMA fans and we are more open-minded than that.
[quote comment=”181256″]Rich is has mentally lost the fight in my book..look at Rich’s expression on his face when Silva beat Nate Marq. He is doomed on Saturday..that type of beating is not easily shrugged off.. his 2-0 after he met Silva..and after Silva part2..he’ll be 2-1..And the shit is..he asked for this fight to be in cincy..be careful for what you wish for.. Murda in Cincy..prime suspect the brazilian Anderson ” da Spida ” Silva[/quote]
PhilQNY: Great point… I was thinking the same thing last night while rewatching the Marquardt fight and listening to Rich’s interview. He is doing a terrible job in interviews trying to portray himself as being confident about the rematch. But Rich is DONE. You can see the fear and the questions in his face. While on the other hand Silva has the eye of the Tiger right now.
Its thought that Rich will try to stand and bang with Silva… Good luck with that Rich. Silva is the single most accurate fighter in mma (with Gomi being a close second). If Rich really decides to keep his distance and trade with the spider, he will with out a doubt in my mind get caught with a flurry of heat seaking missle type accurate strikes that will end the fight for Rich.
Rich is one of the classiest men in mma, and a great Champ… But he is in trouble this comming Saturday.
Did you see that Article on Adam Smith ( StrikeForce )..he tested positive for 2 types of Roids..Coke..weed..the guy made MMA history the wrong way.[/quote]
Did you mean Smith tested for 2 types of roids, AND coke, weed??
Or were you saying coke and weed were the 2 types of roids??
Incase you didn’t know. Coke and weed are NOT steroids.
..if WEED is a ROID?…….then im “JUICED-UP”[/quote]
Dude..He tested positive for 2 types of Roids…”AND”
Coke and weed..I should of been more detailed in my wording.[/quote]
was fined something like $4.000 and only made like $500 and can’t fight for 2 years.
The only difference I see in this compared to the Nate Marq. fight is Silva won’t try that flying knee..and get caught..and taken down.
Silva is going to tee off on him..like he was Tiger woods and Rich was the golf ball…end of the 1st..or beginning of the second..Anderson by KO..Hole and one.
[quote comment=”181244″]Rich if Sliva puts you in a thai clinch dont fight it shoot in for the double leg take down and keep the fight on the matt and pound him out.
Rich Franklin TKO or doctor stopage rd 2[/quote]
I second that, I’m sure he has something planned for the clinch this time. For everyone thinking it’s gonna go down same as last time, your sadly mistaken. I’m sure Rich has a game plan.
was fined something like $4.000 and only made like $500 and can’t fight for 2 years.
Adam Smith’s lucky they suspended him at the rate he’s losing money.
I think Rich better take this one to the ground, like he did to MacDonald. I think Rich’s BJJ defense and wrestling might be able to carry him through, like it did in that snoozefest with Okami.
I don’t believe Rich has a chance standing inside or outside. Obviously the clinch didn’t work last time, and Silva is even more dangerous on the outside with his brutal, accurate striking. Silva’s BJJ is good, but it’s not like BJ Penn good.
I would laugh my ass off if rich t(ko)’s silva in the first round and would love to see the looks on all the doubters faces on this site. With all the upsets lately have can you say with certainty rich will get destroyed? I assure you guys silva is human and beatable, it only takes one good hit. Of course I realize silva is a wicked striker and has the best hands in the sport but ya never know these days. I personally think serra had much much less of a chance than I think rich has and look what happened? No one gave serra a snow balls chance in hell, I think rich and silva are much closer than most on this site realize and will be surprised with this fight.
It will be the same as last time!
I wouldn’t be to sure about that, Ace.
It’ll be different as far as how it plays out but the ending will be the same in that Silva’s arm will be raised in victory.
I’m expecting a war.
He might just pee on him myself this time.
two words; Nose job
rich is good but anderson is just too good anderson wins round 2 still hope rich wins
It mite be different this time but only that Rich get his cheekbone broke instead of his nose!
what!!! you guys are just killing franklin in this blog…. you think its a for sur lost or somthing… i see this is gonna be a good fight.. but franklin has a better chance then matt serra did against gsp…. so stop hating
Rich if Sliva puts you in a thai clinch dont fight it shoot in for the double leg take down and keep the fight on the matt and pound him out.
Rich Franklin TKO or doctor stopage rd 2
This is going to be a good fight. Rich is a smart man and I think he will bring some new stuff to the table and I think he CAN beat Anderson. Silva can be beat, I thought Travis Luter had a good chance to beat him and did well against him. I am going for Rich Franklin round 3 TKO…
He better have an answer for the clinch this time and if he doesn’t it will be the same as last time. I would really like to see him win but I just don’t thik it’s gonna happen.
Rich is has mentally lost the fight in my book..look at Rich’s expression on his face when Silva beat Nate Marq. He is doomed on Saturday..that type of beating is not easily shrugged off.. his 2-0 after he met Silva..and after Silva part2..he’ll be 2-1..And the shit is..he asked for this fight to be in cincy..be careful for what you wish for.. Murda in Cincy..prime suspect the brazilian Anderson ” da Spida ” Silva
Rich is a smart guy, I’d be surprised if he made the same mistakes twice. Although, I think it will take the best performance of his career to beat Anderson Silva. I wish him the best of luck, otherwise the only one I can see really giving Anderson a strong test would be Hendo. Of course that’s IF they get him signed again and IF he drops down in weight, so I’m not holding my breath for either of those things to happen.
It’s possible that Silva is in his head but that’s where the fight always starts and Franklin is too much of a champion to let that affect him. I’d like to see him win, which will probably be by decision, if not Silva will end it then.
Instead of getting caught in clinches, Rich will use his size and strength advantage to pop Silva from the outside, then take him down for a GnP win.
[quote comment=”181248″]He better have an answer for the clinch this time and if he doesn’t it will be the same as last time. I would really like to see him win but I just don’t thik it’s gonna happen.[/quote]
..My beef with Rich on the clinch subject is how on earth does a UFC Champ not know or get trained to deal with a Muay Thai Clinch. Silva put Rich in the clinch and Rich had no answer for it..Like he wasn’t the Champ..and didn’t train like a champ. I don’t know what training in the mountains of Wyoming is going to do for him. He should of went straight to Thailand.
I will never understand in a million years how you franklin nut huggers can see him beating Anderson Silva. he got completely destroyed the last fight. I can see if the fight was close and silva won by decision. then it would make more since to go for franklin besides just loving the way his pubes taste. Lets be realistic here. Anderson Silva by first or second round ko. some of you guys are saying that franklin is sooo smart. well Anderson Silva is too. he already has franklin completely mentally beaten and he continues to improve as a fighter. let franklins nuts go… please
I think you guys are forgetting that Rich Franklin is an elite fighter. Had he lost that first fight to Silva in a much closer bout I don’t think there would be so many people saying it is impossible for Franklin to win. That being said, most of the damage was done in Silva’s clinch, and I’m willing to bet that Franklin is now sufficiently prepared for the clinch. It will be a good fight and I have a feeling that Rich will find a way to win it.
Mania:
Did you see that Article on Adam Smith ( StrikeForce )..he tested positive for 2 types of Roids..Coke..weed..the guy made MMA history the wrong way.
I dont think in the first fight Rich knew how good Silva was in the grip. After he got locked up it was to late. He took a huge knee to the nose and it was all over from there. I think any of the ELITE fighters that take a shot from another ELITE fighter can loose. As you get as good as these guys are the fight can go any direction and be becomes more of a stratigic fight rather than im bigger than you are type of thing. Rich is a bigger stronger MW and I think if he hit from the outside (Chuck L. style) and then get some good take downs and GNP. I think he will have a goot shot at getting HIS title back…
He should have a good answer for the clinch this time. Just bear hug and ankle pick. He will land in half guard.
[quote comment=”181276″]I will never understand in a million years how you franklin nut huggers can see him beating Anderson Silva. he got completely destroyed the last fight. I can see if the fight was close and silva won by decision. then it would make more since to go for franklin besides just loving the way his pubes taste. Lets be realistic here. Anderson Silva by first or second round ko. some of you guys are saying that franklin is sooo smart. well Anderson Silva is too. he already has franklin completely mentally beaten and he continues to improve as a fighter. let franklins nuts go… please[/quote]
I guess it always easy and safe to just root for the favorite. How boring. Do you have any nuts?
franklin won’t make the same mistake twice……. oh wait, he’s fighting Anderson Silva again? He is making the same mistake twice.
I expect more of what we have already seen… I imagine a stoppage that looks more like the Marquardt fight.
Just with Rich on the bottom… but it will likely see three rounds to get there.
I just can’t see Rich eating all those bombs from all those angles, up or down… Silva is just bringing pain from all parts of the game. Rich is good… maybe even great, but i don’t see anyone bringing Silva down. Rich is a very solid 2nd, in fact the drop to third @ 185lb is significant.
I don’t know who can beat Rich other then the Champ.
Hendo.. but he’s not official yet.
Rank Em’ Up Fellas.
Rich-
Striking - 8.5
Grappling - 8
Takedown D - 7.5
Ground Game- 7
Power - 8.5
Speed - 7.5
Intelligence-8.5
Heart - 8
Overall: 63.5 / 80
Anderson-
Striking - 10 (who’s better? lb 4 lb)
Grappling - 7
Takedown D - 9
Ground Game- 8
power - 9 (believe it)
Speed - 8.5
Intelligence - 9
Heart - 8.5
Rich Ace Franklin Scores 63.50 79%
Anderson “Spider” Silva Scores 69.00 86%
Anyone dis/or agree… i tried to keep close to realty.
BZ
[quote comment=”181256″]Rich is has mentally lost the fight in my book..look at Rich’s expression on his face when Silva beat Nate Marq. He is doomed on Saturday..that type of beating is not easily shrugged off.. his 2-0 after he met Silva..and after Silva part2..he’ll be 2-1..And the shit is..he asked for this fight to be in cincy..be careful for what you wish for.. Murda in Cincy..prime suspect the brazilian Anderson ” da Spida ” Silva[/quote]
yup, I noticed that as well, my concern is his mental status and game, he doesn’t come off as confident in his interviews, but on the other hand he’s being realistic, so that means he’s being analytical and looking at Silva’s weak points which is good…. no doubt Rich has the ability to take it to the ground wrestling style execute his GnP game… but will he have flashbacks during the fight and try to stand with Silva after he gets tag once or twice?… BETTER NOT!!
I’m sure Silva’s takedown defense has been improving, so that’s another big difference since their last fight.
I’m going on a limb here and prediciting a smarter Rich (better not gas out!) and win by decision.
The only thing that really concerns me is his camp…. I hear nothing about practicing his wrestling and nothing about new coaches… I like Jorge Gurgel but I’m not confident in his coaching abilities for this particular fight and this is Rich’s main coach in the fight
Rich is done. You can tell by seeing it in Rich’s face when silva killed nate, you can see it in this interview, and you can tell by Rich’s two fights since the lost. Anything that Rich tries to throw at Silva….. Silva will counter with ease. Ground, submissions, boxing, Muay Thai, and even confidence levels.
Rich is just very athletic. Thats how he has been able to hang in the UFC till now. Now that the UFC is signing all the crazy talent he wont be able to hang. Rich Franklin has been fighting for a few years. Silva has been training his entire LIFE.
Down with Franklin and down with all the Silva haters. Silva is the real deal. Better recognize!
Rich is goign to have a tough fight on his hands. I won’t see he’ll lose for sure because well, everyone thought Randy didnt’ have a chance against silvia and serra didn’t have a chance against GSP and look what happened? any fighter can be beat on any given day. its all a matter of who gets that first crucial blow in. the first time Silva did. Maybe this time Rich will. who knows? If i had the extra cash i’d put it on Rich, since i’d imagine the odds are against him by at least 3:1.
Personally i’d like to see Silva get his ass beat just so we won’t have to see that smug look on his face.
Big Zino
You must not know much about silva putting Rich above him on grappling. Silva is a BJJ backbelt
Franklin has been taking some tips from Randy Couture and I think he’s going in to fight a very smart fight. I’m going with Franklin for this reason.
[quote comment=”181323″]I expect more of what we have already seen… I imagine a stoppage that looks more like the Marquardt fight.
Just with Rich on the bottom… but it will likely see three rounds to get there.
I just can’t see Rich eating all those bombs from all those angles, up or down… Silva is just bringing pain from all parts of the game. Rich is good… maybe even great, but i don’t see anyone bringing Silva down. Rich is a very solid 2nd, in fact the drop to third @ 185lb is significant.
I don’t know who can beat Rich other then the Champ.
Hendo.. but he’s not official yet.
Rank Em’ Up Fellas.
Rich-
Striking
- 8.5
Grappling - 8
Takedown D - 7.5
Ground Game- 7
Power
- 8.5
Speed
- 7.5
Intelligence-8.5
Heart
- 8
Overall: 63.5 / 80
Anderson-
Striking - 10 (who’s better? lb 4 lb)
Grappling - 7
Takedown D - 9
Ground Game- 8
power - 9 (believe it)
Speed - 8.5
Intelligence - 9
Heart - 8.5
Rich Ace Franklin
Scores 63.50 79%
Anderson “Spider” Silva
Scores 69.00 86%
Anyone dis/or agree… i tried to keep close to realty.
BZ[/quote]
Silva should have better ground game being a BJJ expert. But to say that he has more power, heart, and intelligence is absurd. I’m not saying Rich is going to win, I’d like for him to, but don’t underestimate him.
BIG ZINO,
Maybe break it up more in the grappling ground game category.
JUJITSU- submission, avoid submissions.
WRESTLING- takedowns,sprawls, avoid submissions, escapes.
G n P- pounding out from top position.
Something like that.
[quote comment=”181402″]BIG ZINO,
Maybe break it up more in the grappling ground game category.
JUJITSU- submission, avoid submissions.
WRESTLING- takedowns,sprawls, avoid submissions, escapes.
G n P- pounding out from top position.
Something like that.[/quote]
I see your point. I was thiking of grappling more on the feet in a clinch or just against the cage.. ground game basically summerized BJJJ and G’N'P.
I agree with the criticism, probably should have taken the time to explain myself better, because i don’t disagree.
Thanks for the tip Thorazine.
FYI, i meant intelligence in the Octagon during the bout… nothing to do with IQ in life/academics.
[quote comment=”181307″]He should have a good answer for the clinch this time. Just bear hug and ankle pick. He will land in half guard.[/quote]
you mean bear hug, trip?… Rich better not get his head low unless he’s got a double leg on him… he’ll get knee’d in the head all over again if he goes for an ankle pick… Bear hugs,Trips, doubles is what he needs to do.
I think Franklin wins this fight on the ground…call me crazy
“Silva should have better ground game being a BJJ expert. But to say that he has more power, heart, and intelligence is absurd. I’m not saying Rich is going to win, I’d like for him to, but don’t underestimate him. ”
Ground game i agree.. just didnt clarify my orig. statement enough.
Silva does likely have the strength advantage.. look how he toy’d with Ace in the first bout. Plus who’s the next strongest @ 185. Marquardt (well thats no good) and Okami who Rich handled well.
Strentgh: Silva.
Rich looks nervous.. everyone can see it. He knows it, he’s a pro, he’s handling it, however when your scared, your not a killer… Anderson Silva will knock your block off first opportunity that presents itself Whos heart is in it more?Heart: Silva.
Intelligence: I think Rich makes good-sound gameplans on an opponent by opponent basis, however he is guilty of sticking to it no matter who crappy it’s working. See Versus
Lyoto, see Versus Silva one. Silva will switch it up in the cage.. he watches tape prefight, and has multiple plans of attack
Itelligence:Silva.
Im not hating Franklin, i like him, he is just outclassed.
But im watching Sat to be proven wrong.
But i doubt it.
even if Rich has figured out the clinch and how to escape from it, do you honestly think that Silva has no other game than that? I sincerely hope that Rich has worked on a lot more than that because Silva is no one trick pony. His last 3 fights… Round 1 KO of Franklin fight from Muay Thai clinch strikes, Round 2 of Lutter fight by triangle choke submission, Round 1 of Marquardt fight by Referee stoppage from G ‘n’ P. Don’t get me wrong Rich is a good fighter and anyone has a chance in this sport but Silva will own him again. Rich can flip as many tires as he likes and do his BJJ training with Gurgel but those aren’t gonna stop him. I’d take a BJJ blackbelt from Noguera anyday. Good luck Rich and one last question…
What do you want it to say on your tombstone?
I kno a Half dead Lutter mounted Silva and i think Rcih has equally as good ground positioning as Lutter so i think that a healthy Rich mounted on Silva spells good night for the champ. Now saying that…
WAR SILVA!!!
Let’s be realistic. Anderson Silva is as close at gets to being unbeatable. I’m sure the majority of us would love to see Franklin win, but the only chance he has is if Silva has some sort of freak injury early in the fight.
I think this will be a lot closer than people predict. Rich is an intelligent fighter and has undeniable will.
You guys know these math teachers they are clinical in everything they do, lol. I think he knows what he has to do and he has the tools to do it. However some fighters you can’t really plan for and I believe Silva is one of those guys.
It will be a close one, my money though is on Silva.
[quote comment=”181283″]Mania:
Did you see that Article on Adam Smith ( StrikeForce )..he tested positive for 2 types of Roids..Coke..weed..the guy made MMA history the wrong way.[/quote]
Did you mean Smith tested for 2 types of roids, AND coke, weed??
Or were you saying coke and weed were the 2 types of roids??
Incase you didn’t know. Coke and weed are NOT steroids.
..if WEED is a ROID?…….then im “JUICED-UP”
money on Silva (gotta earn some cash people) but I’ll be rooting for Rich! Only problem is if he wins I wont be…RICH
I’m still going with Silva but Franklin will come out with all that he has. We might be able to see the 2 best fights of the year on Saturday night and I just hope these fights live up to their expectations.
Franklin is a very smart guy. I get the feeling he is playing this out as to surprise Silva. Would not be surprised if Franklin wins late in the 3rd.
why you all killing rich frankln even the fight has not been started yet? you all discredting this guy just because he lost very bad in his fist fight against silva,but before that im sure you all know how good rich the way he fight,the way he finish his opponent,etc.. im prett 100% sure that it will never be desame compare the 1st time,
if nate marquardt & travis luther didnt caughtby the tahi clinch by silva,then why not franklin? im a fan of both guys, both can win. but if anderson wins,it will not be desame as last time
Franklin is going to shock alot of people, when he beats Silva.
Franklin is a class act… a bit humbled maybe… I hope he does better this time around… much respect for Silva as well… except for that air guitar thing he does when he wins.
I wish Rich luck! I am an Anderson Silva Fan,But I think rich is a stand up guy. it will problably be a war or someone is going to sleep!
[quote comment=”181448″]Let’s be realistic. Anderson Silva is as close at gets to being unbeatable. I’m sure the majority of us would love to see Franklin win, but the only chance he has is if Silva has some sort of freak injury early in the fight.[/quote]
Wrong. Nobody is anywhere close to unbeatable. Look at Silva’s record. 4 losses i think. And Chonin made him look silly in their bout. Silva was gassed and got hit with a submission out of a bad kung fu movie. Any fighter on any given day!
[quote comment=”181468″][quote comment=”181283″]Mania:
Did you see that Article on Adam Smith ( StrikeForce )..he tested positive for 2 types of Roids..Coke..weed..the guy made MMA history the wrong way.[/quote]
Did you mean Smith tested for 2 types of roids, AND coke, weed??
Or were you saying coke and weed were the 2 types of roids??
Incase you didn’t know. Coke and weed are NOT steroids.
..if WEED is a ROID?…….then im “JUICED-UP”[/quote]
Dude..He tested positive for 2 types of Roids…”AND”
Coke and weed..I should of been more detailed in my wording.
[quote comment=”182099″][quote comment=”181448″]Let’s be realistic. Anderson Silva is as close at gets to being unbeatable. I’m sure the majority of us would love to see Franklin win, but the only chance he has is if Silva has some sort of freak injury early in the fight.[/quote]
Wrong. Nobody is anywhere close to unbeatable. Look at Silva’s record. 4 losses i think. And Chonin made him look silly in their bout. Silva was gassed and got hit with a submission out of a bad kung fu movie. Any fighter on any given day![/quote]
I agree. If you want to look at it in terms of close to being unbeatable (and nobody is unbeatable) then theoritically, based on record, Rich Franklin is closer to that than Silva (22 wins and 2 losses vs. 19 wins and 4 losses). Why would it only take a freak injury to Silva for Franklin to win? As I had said before, he is an extremely intelligent fighter who has had a year to review Silva’s game. I’m assuming that somewhere in the past, when Franklin was running the MW division, you said something along the lines of “he is a solid fighter”. You shouldn’t change your thoughts based on one fight.
The use of MMA math is a stupid idea, we all know that. Well so is the thought of using a previous match up’s results to completely predict a future match up’s results, regardless of how convincingly that win was earned. (Does a forrest vs. shogun rematch in the future guarantee a forrest win?) C’mon guys, we are true MMA fans and we are more open-minded than that.
[quote comment=”181256″]Rich is has mentally lost the fight in my book..look at Rich’s expression on his face when Silva beat Nate Marq. He is doomed on Saturday..that type of beating is not easily shrugged off.. his 2-0 after he met Silva..and after Silva part2..he’ll be 2-1..And the shit is..he asked for this fight to be in cincy..be careful for what you wish for.. Murda in Cincy..prime suspect the brazilian Anderson ” da Spida ” Silva[/quote]
PhilQNY: Great point… I was thinking the same thing last night while rewatching the Marquardt fight and listening to Rich’s interview. He is doing a terrible job in interviews trying to portray himself as being confident about the rematch. But Rich is DONE. You can see the fear and the questions in his face. While on the other hand Silva has the eye of the Tiger right now.
Its thought that Rich will try to stand and bang with Silva… Good luck with that Rich. Silva is the single most accurate fighter in mma (with Gomi being a close second). If Rich really decides to keep his distance and trade with the spider, he will with out a doubt in my mind get caught with a flurry of heat seaking missle type accurate strikes that will end the fight for Rich.
Rich is one of the classiest men in mma, and a great Champ… But he is in trouble this comming Saturday.
Man that video was edited so oorly, I got hold of the real interview and this as the way it actually went…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmPFvUxQ3ec
Silva stays champ, TKO in the 3rd is my call….
Maybe Serra could corner him and tell him to breathe 5,000 times.
[quote comment=”182145″][quote comment=”181468″][quote comment=”181283″]Mania:
Did you see that Article on Adam Smith ( StrikeForce )..he tested positive for 2 types of Roids..Coke..weed..the guy made MMA history the wrong way.[/quote]
Did you mean Smith tested for 2 types of roids, AND coke, weed??
Or were you saying coke and weed were the 2 types of roids??
Incase you didn’t know. Coke and weed are NOT steroids.
..if WEED is a ROID?…….then im “JUICED-UP”[/quote]
Dude..He tested positive for 2 types of Roids…”AND”
Coke and weed..I should of been more detailed in my wording.[/quote]
was fined something like $4.000 and only made like $500 and can’t fight for 2 years.
The only difference I see in this compared to the Nate Marq. fight is Silva won’t try that flying knee..and get caught..and taken down.
Silva is going to tee off on him..like he was Tiger woods and Rich was the golf ball…end of the 1st..or beginning of the second..Anderson by KO..Hole and one.
[quote comment=”181244″]Rich if Sliva puts you in a thai clinch dont fight it shoot in for the double leg take down and keep the fight on the matt and pound him out.
Rich Franklin TKO or doctor stopage rd 2[/quote]
I second that, I’m sure he has something planned for the clinch this time. For everyone thinking it’s gonna go down same as last time, your sadly mistaken. I’m sure Rich has a game plan.
Adam Smith’s lucky they suspended him at the rate he’s losing money.
I think Rich better take this one to the ground, like he did to MacDonald. I think Rich’s BJJ defense and wrestling might be able to carry him through, like it did in that snoozefest with Okami.
I don’t believe Rich has a chance standing inside or outside. Obviously the clinch didn’t work last time, and Silva is even more dangerous on the outside with his brutal, accurate striking. Silva’s BJJ is good, but it’s not like BJ Penn good.
I see this going the distance. I dunno who’ll win. who knows these days.
I would laugh my ass off if rich t(ko)’s silva in the first round and would love to see the looks on all the doubters faces on this site. With all the upsets lately have can you say with certainty rich will get destroyed? I assure you guys silva is human and beatable, it only takes one good hit. Of course I realize silva is a wicked striker and has the best hands in the sport but ya never know these days. I personally think serra had much much less of a chance than I think rich has and look what happened? No one gave serra a snow balls chance in hell, I think rich and silva are much closer than most on this site realize and will be surprised with this fight.
WELL HE DIDN”T , went down in Round 2 like a puss. Bye Bye Franklin, Silva for the Win
Nope! Silva smashed his knee in Rich’s face!