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Quick recovery Shogun - great sportsmanship.

shogun seems to have a better outlook on things than do his fans. he truely seems not to be using the knee as an excuse as to why he lost. this will better enable him to understand what it is he needs to do to be succsessful in the octagon.

He should totally fight henderson in my opinion.

Shogun is still young and he will be a champ

Recover soon… dont worry wanderlai will take out forrest for him…

That is a great attitude to have.

he got his ass beat and he is using his knee as an excuse by saying he is not going to use it for an excuse or he would not have brought it up.

Does anyone know if Wanderlei left Chute Boxe, because if he did thats bullshit. I know he trains with Randy and that is going to make him a lot better but I don’t want him to leave Chute Boxe because they are the shit and they have a lot of great fighters.

you are all leaving out the main point of his loss. He was loaded on steroids in Pride. Now he is without them. He looked totally different than in the past. Look at tapes of his physique in pride and then the UFC. Knee problem or not. It was not the same guy. Rampage and his camp said it best, “some of those great pride fighters will struggle here, just because the rules of steroids are different over here”.

If you are a new fighter in the UFC, and you want to be in the title picture, but you HAVE to lose one fight, there’s no fight better for it to be other than first fight.* It would be much worse for a fighter to have a win or two, and then lose a fight which would set them back. I think it’s better to lose the first fight, and then go on a tear (assuming a fighter would HAVE to lose ONE fight)

* However, for Shogun this may not be true, because if he beat Forrest, he would have been the #1 contender.

[quote comment=”165794″]you are all leaving out the main point of his loss. He was loaded on steroids in Pride. Now he is without them. He looked totally different than in the past. Look at tapes of his physique in pride and then the UFC. Knee problem or not. It was not the same guy. Rampage and his camp said it best, “some of those great pride fighters will struggle here, just because the rules of steroids are different over here”.[/quote]

You are aware he fought twice in the US, right? They tested for both of those shows, as evidenced by the failures of Randleman, Nastula, and Belfort.

I wonder who Shogun is fighting next. Now that Jardine beat Griffin, Griffin beat Shogun, Alexander beat Jardine, Jardine beat Liddell, and Rashad tied with Tito, the 205-pound division is kinda wacky. The rankings would probably be something like this:

1. Quinton
2. Tied between Jardine and Houston Alexander
3. Liddell
4. Forrest
5. Henderson
6. Tie between Shogun and Tito
7. Wanderlei Silva
8. Machida
9. Rashad
10. Tie between Bisping & Hamill

[quote comment=”165820″]I wonder who Shogun is fighting next. Now that Jardine beat Griffin, Griffin beat Shogun, Alexander beat Jardine, Jardine beat Liddell, and Rashad tied with Tito, the 205-pound division is kinda wacky. The rankings would probably be something like this:

1. Quinton
2. Tied between Jardine and Houston Alexander
3. Liddell
4. Forrest
5. Henderson
6. Tie between Shogun and Tito
7. Wanderlei Silva
8. Machida
9. Rashad
10. Tie between Bisping & Hamill[/quote]

I like the way you ranked the fighters, but Griffin has to be in sole possossion of number two right now for the moment.

[quote comment=”165789″]he got his ass beat and he is using his knee as an excuse by saying he is not going to use it for an excuse or he would not have brought it up.[/quote]

UHHH DERRRR! The article is about his surgery. Here is what you need to realize. He is talking to the press, who is asking him questions like, “Do you think your knee is the reason you lost the fight?”

Shogun is still young and has tons of talent. He will have the belt, eventually.

[quote post=”3505″]
1. Quinton
2. Tied between Jardine and Houston Alexander
3. Liddell
4. Forrest
5. Henderson
6. Tie between Shogun and Tito
7. Wanderlei Silva
8. Machida
9. Rashad
10. Tie between Bisping & Hamill [/quote]

I do not agree with this list, not at all. This list has Jardine and Houston as the #1 contenders. Houston is NOWHERE near being ranked #1 contender. Thats just crazy, and even he, himself would say so. Chuck Liddell after two straight losses has fallen further than #3. Forrest is currently well above Liddell, and in my eyes is the #1 contender. Dan Henderson should also be ranked higher than Liddell, he should be higher than #5. If Rampage has a long run as champ, I don’t think too many, if any, will last the distance with him like Henderson did.

Ring vs Cage, foot stomps, knee to the face, all these rules play a huge factor with Shogun especially. All his pride highlights showed this, it’s gotta be tough for Shogun to secure a win against a top contender in the cage.

[quote comment=”165820″]I wonder who Shogun is fighting next. Now that Jardine beat Griffin, Griffin beat Shogun, Alexander beat Jardine, Jardine beat Liddell, and Rashad tied with Tito, the 205-pound division is kinda wacky. The rankings would probably be something like this:

1. Quinton
2. Tied between Jardine and Houston Alexander
3. Liddell
4. Forrest
5. Henderson
6. Tie between Shogun and Tito
7. Wanderlei Silva
8. Machida
9. Rashad
10. Tie between Bisping & Hamill[/quote]

That looks pretty poor. Henderson should be #3. I think Forrest is #2, Liddell should drop to #7, put Silva up a few, move Jardine and Alexander to #4, and #5. Tito shouldn’t be on there. He’s garbage.

Shogun will be back and better than ever. Forrest was just the better man that day.

[quote comment=”165876″][quote post=”3505″]
1. Quinton
2. Tied between Jardine and Houston Alexander
3. Liddell
4. Forrest
5. Henderson
6. Tie between Shogun and Tito
7. Wanderlei Silva
8. Machida
9. Rashad
10. Tie between Bisping & Hamill [/quote]

I do not agree with this list, not at all. This list has Jardine and Houston as the #1 contenders. Houston is NOWHERE near being ranked #1 contender. Thats just crazy, and even he, himself would say so. Chuck Liddell after two straight losses has fallen further than #3. Forrest is currently well above Liddell, and in my eyes is the #1 contender. Dan Henderson should also be ranked higher than Liddell, he should be higher than #5. If Rampage has a long run as champ, I don’t think too many, if any, will last the distance with him like Henderson did.[/quote]

lol That list was terrible! Houston as the number #2 contender. U just showed us how informed of a fan u really are! lol. Thats right Houston Alexander is the #2 fighter in the UFC after his 2 fight tear and his total of 3 1/2 minutes of octagon experience. U got it all figured out man.

Get a freakin Clue!!!!

Behind rampage it is hard to create a decent ranking list. I love it. There’s a lot of good match ups, and suck ones ( Rashad vs Bisping), but MMA is getting really exciting. Other than middleweight and heavywight the divisions are pretty stacked with talent. Then you got some of these smaller organizations bringing some decent fights, its a ggod time to be an mma fan.

I can still see Shogun being effective. I dont think the cage had anything to do with it, nor did Forrest. I seriously think Shogun was just gassed

1. Rampage
2. Forrest
3. Jardine
4. Wanderlei
5. Henderson
6. Houston/ Shogun
7. Rashad
8. Machida
9. Lambert
10. Bisping/Hamill/Gouevaia(spelling?)

This is is imo how fighters rank in the division. It’s doesn’t reflect who I think is better than who, I’m just trying to be realistic. Hopefully the division will straighten itself out in the next few months.

viscious elbow to forrests head anyone? i think shogun will be fine he just needs to step back from the lime light and step up his training work his way back to a number one contendership

[quote post=”3505″]he got his ass beat and he is using his knee as an excuse by saying he is not going to use it for an excuse or he would not have brought it up. [/quote]

Yeah cuz if he said it was the knee then he’s being a puss and blaming the loss on the injury but if he says that he is not gonna use the knee injury as an excuse, then he is still a puss because by saying that he is actually saying that the knee was to blame.
And if he didnt mention it at all then he is a puss because he thought that by not mentioning it that someone else would then use that defense for him.

lol whatever man, give the guy a break, he’s being classy about it

Houston Alexander is not ranked #2 LHW on anybody’s list. He is still considered a newcomer but one with potential right now. You can derive that conclusion by his next opponent: Thiago Silva who only has 3 fights under his belt(same as Alexander)and not ranked anywhere near top 10.

Ok that list I read by 121212 was awful, and I am glad you all called him out.

Here is what my list of the top 15 Light Heavyweights Looks Like

1.) Rampage Jackson
2.) Forrest Griffin
3.) Dan Henderson
4.) Wanderlei Silva
5.) Shogun Rua
6.) Keith Jardine
7.) Houston Alexander
8.) Lyoto Machida
9.) Chuck Liddell
10.) Tito Ortiz
11.) Michael Bisping
12.) Rashad Evans
13.) Jason Lambert
14.) Stephan Bonnar
15.) Matt Hamill

Some of these lists seem to be out to lunch.I mean how can you even rank Wanderlai yet?He doesnt even have one fight in the UFC.

[quote comment=”166006″]Ok that list I read by 121212 was awful, and I am glad you all called him out.

Here is what my list of the top 15 Light Heavyweights Looks Like

1.) Rampage Jackson
2.) Forrest Griffin
3.) Dan Henderson
4.) Wanderlei Silva
5.) Shogun Rua
6.) Keith Jardine
7.) Houston Alexander
8.) Lyoto Machida
9.) Chuck Liddell
10.) Tito Ortiz
11.) Michael Bisping
12.) Rashad Evans
13.) Jason Lambert
14.) Stephan Bonnar
15.) Matt Hamill[/quote]

Are you serious? You think Forrest is better than Henderson and Wanderlei?

[quote post=”3505″]1.) Rampage Jackson
2.) Forrest Griffin
3.) Dan Henderson
4.) Wanderlei Silva
5.) Shogun Rua
6.) Keith Jardine
7.) Houston Alexander
8.) Lyoto Machida
9.) Chuck Liddell
10.) Tito Ortiz
11.) Michael Bisping
12.) Rashad Evans
13.) Jason Lambert
14.) Stephan Bonnar
15.) Matt Hamill [/quote]
I agree with most of this list except i would but Wilson in instead of bonnar.

Yeah some of these lists are wack.

You can not and should not put Forrest above Dan Henderson

It should be more like this:

1) Rampage
2) Dan Henderson
3) Wandy
4) Chuck
5) Forrest
6) Shogun
7) Jardine
Machida
9) Houston Alexander
10) Tito or Rashad

You have to factor in career length or number of fights and quality of opponents and not just records.

Rampage has the belt and a quality win over Hendo
Hendo fought well but couldnt finish Page is 1-1 against Wand
Wand destroyed Page twice and beat Hendo once by decision
Chuck falling fast but has quality wins over Couture
Forrest moves up one because of his demolishing of Shogun
Shogun moves down one because of Forrest but 1-0 against Page
Jardine stays put, beats Chuck but lost to Houston
Machida nice record but not a finisher needs bigger fights
Houston lack of fights but rising quickly by finishing people
Tito/Rashad somebody has to be 10 Tito almost done Rashad rising to the top

[quote comment=”166006″]Ok that list I read by 121212 was awful, and I am glad you all called him out.

Here is what my list of the top 15 Light Heavyweights Looks Like

1.) Rampage Jackson
2.) Forrest Griffin
3.) Dan Henderson
4.) Wanderlei Silva
5.) Shogun Rua
6.) Keith Jardine
7.) Houston Alexander
8.) Lyoto Machida
9.) Chuck Liddell
10.) Tito Ortiz
11.) Michael Bisping
12.) Rashad Evans
13.) Jason Lambert
14.) Stephan Bonnar
15.) Matt Hamill[/quote]

Now that is a nice, agreeable list. Bisping is at the bottom. Rashad at #12 behind Jason Lambert, cause Lambert beat Babalu who was somebody.
Lyoto Machida should be just under Chuck, given Chucks reign of terror he gets that, but his 2 losses bump him to 8 as Machida hasn’t achieved enough yet at LHW, and chuck is better than Tito hands down.
Alexander should be higher than 7, although unproven, he has looked insane and should be at 6, Jardine edges Houston despite losing to him because he beat Liddell who was very recently until May 07′”THE MAN” & KOing Forrest, Shogun should be #7 because he has just entered the UFC and looked like dogshit in his debut. ANd its tough to rank Wandy at 4 considering he really hasn’t debuted yet, barring his old UFC outings 7 yrs ago or so.

Excuses
1. off roids
2. hurt knee
3. can’t use certain kicks
4. first fight in ufc
Put all together gives me some idea why he looked so bad, because I felt like I was in the twilight zone after watching that fight. How the hell could a guy dismantle rampage like that and get a beating from forest gump????

[quote comment=”166017″][quote comment=”166006″]Ok that list I read by 121212 was awful, and I am glad you all called him out.

Here is what my list of the top 15 Light Heavyweights Looks Like

1.) Rampage Jackson
2.) Forrest Griffin
3.) Dan Henderson
4.) Wanderlei Silva
5.) Shogun Rua
6.) Keith Jardine
7.) Houston Alexander
8.) Lyoto Machida
9.) Chuck Liddell
10.) Tito Ortiz
11.) Michael Bisping
12.) Rashad Evans
13.) Jason Lambert
14.) Stephan Bonnar
15.) Matt Hamill[/quote]

Are you serious? You think Forrest is better than Henderson and Wanderlei?[/quote]

I did not say that, but Forrest Griffin did just beat the BEST 205 pounder in all of MMA. This is right now, Henderson lost his match to Rampage, that knocks him down one spot. Wanderlei needs to return, and thats why he is at number 4 because with the losses happening it bumps up Wanderlei.

[quote comment=”166009″]Some of these lists seem to be out to lunch.I mean how can you even rank Wanderlai yet?He doesnt even have one fight in the UFC.[/quote]

Yeah, I take it as you are the NEW BREED FAN of UFC. Wanderlei has fought in the UFC before.

You can rank Wanderlei number 4 because with people losing and his reputation of Pride alone gives him ranking at number 4. Also he has destroyed Rampage Jackson TWICE. He has defeated Dan Henderson, he is a better fighter than Jardine and Alexander.

The reason why Jardine is ranked higher than Alexander is because Jardine has two huge wins over Chuck Liddell and Forrest Griffin, and Alexander does have a win over Jardine and thats it. So as a notch to wins over heavier competition, Jardine gets the nod over Alexander.

I think Lyoto is better than Chuck, because Lyoto has been on a tear in the division. Yes his competition has not been up to par like Chuck’s but Lyoto has not lost.

Chuck has lost twice in a row. One to the best 205 pounder in the UFC today (since Shogun Lost) an another to Jardine, that has to knock anybody down notches.

[quote comment=”165920″]I can still see Shogun being effective. I dont think the cage had anything to do with it, nor did Forrest. I seriously think Shogun was just gassed[/quote]

To build on that, he also doesn’t look as cut as he did in Pride. He is already small for the division. He doesn’t need to compound that with softness.

I support you Shogun and I’m sorry for your lost. Get better soon bud

[quote comment=”165820″]I wonder who Shogun is fighting next. Now that Jardine beat Griffin, Griffin beat Shogun, Alexander beat Jardine, Jardine beat Liddell, and Rashad tied with Tito, the 205-pound division is kinda wacky. The rankings would probably be something like this:

1. Quinton
2. Tied between Jardine and Houston Alexander
3. Liddell
4. Forrest
5. Henderson
6. Tie between Shogun and Tito
7. Wanderlei Silva
8. Machida
9. Rashad
10. Tie between Bisping & Hamill[/quote]

there is so much wrong with this list i do not even know where to begin. You must not have been an mma fan too long

I’m confused by some people’s lists. I made it clear that my list was how people ranked in terms of getting a title shot and tried to look it at it from UFC management’s perspective. Other people on the other hand seem to have a mixture of who they think is the best and who most deserves a title shot at this point. Once again, let me clarify. My list doesn’t necessarily reflect who I think is the best. For starters, I think Henderson and Wanderlei would beat the living sh*t out of Forrest.

give him time…he’ll lose the war.

I’m originally a UFC fan and I gotta say, you guys don’t give Wand Silva enough respect, he’s definately tied at #2 with Henderson at this point. I predict him being the champ after rampage, ESPECIALLY working with Couture, it’s too sick of a team.

Houston is great, but he’s still a newcommer…

But you know what I don’t care about, Rashad Evans vs Mike Bisping, grrr UFC 78

[quote post=”3505″]Shogun will be back and better than ever. Forrest was just the better man that day. [/quote]
He’ll never be better than ever without steroids.

[quote post=”3505″]Ok that list I read by 121212 was awful, and I am glad you all called him out.
Here is what my list of the top 15 Light Heavyweights Looks Like
1.) Rampage Jackson
2.) Forrest Griffin
3.) Dan Henderson
4.) Wanderlei Silva
5.) Shogun Rua
6.) Keith Jardine
7.) Houston Alexander
8.) Lyoto Machida
9.) Chuck Liddell
10.) Tito Ortiz
11.) Michael Bisping
12.) Rashad Evans
13.) Jason Lambert
14.) Stephan Bonnar
15.) Matt Hamill
Now that is a nice, agreeable list. Bisping is at the bottom. Rashad at #12 behind Jason Lambert, cause Lambert beat Babalu who was somebody.
Lyoto Machida should be just under Chuck, given Chucks reign of terror he gets that, but his 2 losses bump him to 8 as Machida hasn’t achieved enough yet at LHW, and chuck is better than Tito hands down.
Alexander should be higher than 7, although unproven, he has looked insane and should be at 6, Jardine edges Houston despite losing to him because he beat Liddell who was very recently until May 07″²”THE MAN” & KOing Forrest, Shogun should be #7 because he has just entered the UFC and looked like dogshit in his debut. ANd its tough to rank Wandy at 4 considering he really hasn’t debuted yet, barring his old UFC outings 7 yrs ago or so. [/quote]
Do you realize how much you contradict your self in this post.

[quote post=”3505″]1. Quinton
2. Tied between Jardine and Houston Alexander
3. Liddell
4. Forrest
5. Henderson
6. Tie between Shogun and Tito
7. Wanderlei Silva
8. Machida
9. Rashad
10. Tie between Bisping & Hamill
I do not agree with this list, not at all. This list has Jardine and Houston as the #1 contenders. Houston is NOWHERE near being ranked #1 contender. Thats just crazy, and even he, himself would say so. Chuck Liddell after two straight losses has fallen further than #3. Forrest is currently well above Liddell, and in my eyes is the #1 contender. Dan Henderson should also be ranked higher than Liddell, he should be higher than #5. If Rampage has a long run as champ, I don’t think too many, if any, will last the distance with him like Henderson did.
lol That list was terrible! Houston as the number #2 contender. U just showed us how informed of a fan u really are! lol. Thats right Houston Alexander is the #2 fighter in the UFC after his 2 fight tear and his total of 3 1/2 minutes of octagon experience. U got it all figured out man.
Get a freakin Clue!!!! [/quote]
How can you knock Liddel for losing 2 after dominating for years and then say Henderson should be above him when he is 0 for 1. Rankings should go by what a fighter PROOVES in the UFC . Rua, Henderson and Silva have proven diddly squat, so far, wait until they win a few, before you rank them in the top ten. Alot of people falsely ranked Cro Cop as number 1 without even seeing how he would do in the UFC. Just something to think about.

[quote post=”3505″]Some of these lists seem to be out to lunch.I mean how can you even rank Wanderlai yet?He doesnt even have one fight in the UFC. [/quote]
It’s nice to see someone has an idea how ranking should go.

[quote comment=”166006″]Ok that list I read by 121212 was awful, and I am glad you all called him out.

Here is what my list of the top 15 Light Heavyweights Looks Like

1.) Rampage Jackson
2.) Forrest Griffin
3.) Dan Henderson
4.) Wanderlei Silva
5.) Shogun Rua
6.) Keith Jardine
7.) Houston Alexander
8.) Lyoto Machida
9.) Chuck Liddell
10.) Tito Ortiz
11.) Michael Bisping
12.) Rashad Evans
13.) Jason Lambert
14.) Stephan Bonnar
15.) Matt Hamill[/quote]

This is as good of list as you could make right now… the division is so up in the air… you could switch a couple, but a good list none the less. HOW GREAT WOULD A TOURNAMENT BE RIGHT NOW?

[quote comment=”165877″]Ring vs Cage, foot stomps, knee to the face, all these rules play a huge factor with Shogun especially. All his pride highlights showed this, it’s gotta be tough for Shogun to secure a win against a top contender in the cage.[/quote]
he beat Overeem & Randleman in the U.S.

IMO these rule changes will not be too much of a factor.

[quote comment=”165809″][quote comment=”165794″]you are all leaving out the main point of his loss. He was loaded on steroids in Pride. Now he is without them. He looked totally different than in the past. Look at tapes of his physique in pride and then the UFC. Knee problem or not. It was not the same guy. Rampage and his camp said it best, “some of those great pride fighters will struggle here, just because the rules of steroids are different over here”.[/quote]

You are aware he fought twice in the US, right? They tested for both of those shows, as evidenced by the failures of Randleman, Nastula, and Belfort.[/quote]
I agree….

anyway, w/ the bad knee, Shogun said he couldnt run (i’m thinking for long periods which would be required) …so that would explain why he gassed because running is a STAPLE in any type of sports training. he probably knew his cardio was bad yet he still took the fight…i think that says a lot. and that may explain why he kept looking for the single leg against Forrest even tho it wasn’t really there for him.. so he could utilize hand-only movements in the guard or if he mounted Forrest…

Can everyone agree that forrest gets the next title shot?

and just to add… he may not have appeared to have as much definition and this could be attributed to the lack of running due to the bad knee… thus a higher bf% not making his body look more defined.

[quote comment=”166017″][quote comment=”166006″]Ok that list I read by 121212 was awful, and I am glad you all called him out.

Here is what my list of the top 15 Light Heavyweights Looks Like

1.) Rampage Jackson
2.) Forrest Griffin
3.) Dan Henderson
4.) Wanderlei Silva
5.) Shogun Rua
6.) Keith Jardine
7.) Houston Alexander
8.) Lyoto Machida
9.) Chuck Liddell
10.) Tito Ortiz
11.) Michael Bisping
12.) Rashad Evans
13.) Jason Lambert
14.) Stephan Bonnar
15.) Matt Hamill[/quote]

Are you serious? You think Forrest is better than Henderson and Wanderlei?[/quote]

I cannot believe that people have dropped Liddell so far down the list after dominating the 205ers. Ok he has lost 2 fights on the bounce but so has Wanderlei and he is yet to be proven in the cage (I know he fought there before but that was a long time ago). I think Lidell got too confident and will be back stronger than ever. He would kill Forrest (and I like Forrest), but lets be honest when is there a better time to fight Shogun - on his first fight in the cage!!

I would actually also put Henderson second I think he deserves it more than Forrest (I am sorry but Forrest got knocked out by Jardine and Henderson killed the Axe Murderer).

[quote comment=”166268″]Can everyone agree that forrest gets the next title shot?[/quote]

No - I think he ought to fight Henderson first. Isn’t Rampage injured at the moment anyway!?!??!

these are what the rankings should say,
1.quinton
2.henderson- should be a middleweght but still could dominate
3.forrest
4.liddell- he will be back to himself in the next fight.
5.shogun- 1st time in the cage ,he will be betta.
6.alexander-star in the making
7.silva
8.tito
9.machida
10.bisping or jardine

i think jardine is a overated fighter,alexander showed him.chucks at no 4 because he got caught v rampage the didnt go all out v jardie.beleive me chuck liddel will be ufc champ again.matt hughes is a legend of the sport and the future of the sport lies with gsp and brandon vera

Gotta love the attitude…He’ll definitely be back.

[quote comment=”165876″][quote post=”3505″]
1. Quinton
2. Tied between Jardine and Houston Alexander
3. Liddell
4. Forrest
5. Henderson
6. Tie between Shogun and Tito
7. Wanderlei Silva
8. Machida
9. Rashad
10. Tie between Bisping & Hamill [/quote]

I do not agree with this list, not at all. This list has Jardine and Houston as the #1 contenders. Houston is NOWHERE near being ranked #1 contender. Thats just crazy, and even he, himself would say so. Chuck Liddell after two straight losses has fallen further than #3. Forrest is currently well above Liddell, and in my eyes is the #1 contender. Dan Henderson should also be ranked higher than Liddell, he should be higher than #5. If Rampage has a long run as champ, I don’t think too many, if any, will last the distance with him like Henderson did.[/quote]

Damn you a Henderson nuthugger….

Off the subject : Chk out what Rich thinks of UFC 77

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmPFvUxQ3ec

Rich sees his own death..Chk it out.

Holy cow there are a lot of list out there of people trying to sort out the LHW division!

[quote post=”3505″]1.) Rampage Jackson
2.) Forrest Griffin
3.) Dan Henderson
4.) Wanderlei Silva
5.) Shogun Rua
6.) Keith Jardine
7.) Houston Alexander
8.) Lyoto Machida
9.) Chuck Liddell
10.) Tito Ortiz
11.) Michael Bisping
12.) Rashad Evans
13.) Jason Lambert
14.) Stephan Bonnar
15.) Matt Hamill

Are you serious? You think Forrest is better than Henderson and Wanderlei? [/quote]

I don’t think that this person, or rankings in general, are saying that Forrest is a better fighter than Dan Henderson. They are saying that right now, Forrest is ranked higher because of his impressive win over Shogun. Henderson did lose his last fight to Rampage, but he did last all 5 rounds with him, was never in real trouble, and most of the fight was a stale mate. So you really can’t knock Hendo down too far. Hendo would possibly be ranked higher than Forrest, but since Hendo had the last title shot, he’s not going to get the next one as well. I wanted to mention that because I heard many people saying that Chuck Liddell should be ranked above Dan Henderson because he was champ with 4 title defenses. Again, rankings are all about ‘What have you done for me lately” Looking at their last 2 fights. Chuck got KO’d by Rampage to lose the belt, then lost a decision to Jardine, he’s 0-2 with a KO loss. Henderson KO’d Wanderlei Silva to win the belt, then he lost a 5 round decision to the champ, Rampage. Like I said before, it was a close fight, and Hendo was never in trouble the entire fight. So in thier last 2 fights, Hendo is 1-1, both times fighting the champion, and the loss coming by 5 round decision. Liddell is 0-2, one loss to a champ (1 minute KO), and the other to, well Keith Jardine. Henderson should undoubtedly be ranked above Liddell, well above Liddell in my opinion.

Personally I would love to see Griffin-Wanderlei, winner gets a title shot. And then Jardine-Henderson and Alexander-Machida (match those 4 however you would like with the winners fighting eachother) and I would like to see shogun (when he is healthy) fight either tito or the rashad-bisping winner…just my opinion no need to bash if you disagree.

[quote comment=”165920″]I can still see Shogun being effective. I dont think the cage had anything to do with it, nor did Forrest. I seriously think Shogun was just gassed[/quote]

I was just about to same the same thing.

Now, for my list. I think that Mr. NC 17’s list was the most accurate, so I am going to use his as a starting point when making mine.

REMEMBER, these are, in my opinion, the CURRENT rankings for the LHW division. When doing rankings for who should be the #1 contender and such, like I always say, ‘its all about what have you done for me lately’. The fact that Chuck had a nice run as champ means NOTHING now that he is coming off of 2 straight losses. After losing to Rampage, Dana said Chuck needs 2 wins before being #1 contender. Can you imagine how many wins he will need to get now in order to be #1 contender?

1.) Rampage Jackson
2.) Forrest Griffin
3.) Dan Henderson
4.) Keith Jardine
5.) Wanderlei Silva
6.) Houston Alexander
7.) Shogun Rua
8.) Lyoto Machida
9.) Wilson Gouveia
10.) Chuck Liddell
11.) Rashad Evans
12.) Tito Ortiz
13.) Matt Hamill
14.) Michael Bisping
15.) Stephan Bonnar

And that’s my final answer, for the time being.

[quote comment=”166514″]Holy cow there are a lot of list out there of people trying to sort out the LHW division!

[quote post=”3505″]1.) Rampage Jackson
2.) Forrest Griffin
3.) Dan Henderson
4.) Wanderlei Silva
5.) Shogun Rua
6.) Keith Jardine
7.) Houston Alexander
8.) Lyoto Machida
9.) Chuck Liddell
10.) Tito Ortiz
11.) Michael Bisping
12.) Rashad Evans
13.) Jason Lambert
14.) Stephan Bonnar
15.) Matt Hamill

Are you serious? You think Forrest is better than Henderson and Wanderlei? [/quote]

I don’t think that this person, or rankings in general, are saying that Forrest is a better fighter than Dan Henderson. They are saying that right now, Forrest is ranked higher because of his impressive win over Shogun. Henderson did lose his last fight to Rampage, but he did last all 5 rounds with him, was never in real trouble, and most of the fight was a stale mate. So you really can’t knock Hendo down too far. Hendo would possibly be ranked higher than Forrest, but since Hendo had the last title shot, he’s not going to get the next one as well. I wanted to mention that because I heard many people saying that Chuck Liddell should be ranked above Dan Henderson because he was champ with 4 title defenses. Again, rankings are all about ‘What have you done for me lately” Looking at their last 2 fights. Chuck got KO’d by Rampage to lose the belt, then lost a decision to Jardine, he’s 0-2 with a KO loss. Henderson KO’d Wanderlei Silva to win the belt, then he lost a 5 round decision to the champ, Rampage. Like I said before, it was a close fight, and Hendo was never in trouble the entire fight. So in thier last 2 fights, Hendo is 1-1, both times fighting the champion, and the loss coming by 5 round decision. Liddell is 0-2, one loss to a champ (1 minute KO), and the other to, well Keith Jardine. Henderson should undoubtedly be ranked above Liddell, well above Liddell in my opinion.[/quote]

Could not of said it better.

It is extremely hard to rank any fighters parsay, but the way things are going, Forrest Griffin is number 2. Dan Henderson is 0-1 in his UFC return which knocks him down only 1 SPOT. People are freaking out, but there is no way Dan Henderson should get an another title shot right off the bat, some people are crazy. It really needs to be a Forrest/Rampage Light Heavyweight Showdown, because if Shogun would to have won, it would be a Shogun/Rampage match, and Forrest is on a 2 fight win streak, so right now this is the match that must be made.

Wanderlei being ranked so high is because of his reputation in Pride. Yes I know he has gone 2-3 the past two years, but he lost to Hendo and Cro Cop.

Houston really has not fought top notch competition, and even though he holds a win over Keith Jardine, Jardine has won two fights against top 6 guys before UFC 76. I am not so sure that Houston will be able to beat Thiago Silva either.

Its rankings people. Its hard to do, unless people have Chuck in the top 3, then it should be good. It is not an “you destroyed people 4 years ago as champ.” Because if that was the case, Wanderlei Silva would be number 1, Randy Couture would be number 2, Tito Ortiz would be number 3, Chuck Liddell would be number 4 and Vitor Belfort would be number 5.

Get the point?

[quote comment=”165936″]1. Rampage
2. Forrest
3. Jardine
4. Wanderlei
5. Henderson
6. Houston/ Shogun
7. Rashad
8. Machida
9. Lambert
10. Bisping/Hamill/Gouevaia(spelling?)

This is is imo how fighters rank in the division. It’s doesn’t reflect who I think is better than who, I’m just trying to be realistic. Hopefully the division will straighten itself out in the next few months.[/quote]

This, I find, is an acceptable list.

Honestly, i don’t get why everyone has forrest ranked #1. He did get ko’ed by jardine in the 1st, and lost to tito (who apparently sucks). His only notable win was against shogun who never fought in the UFC and was apparently injured prior to the fight. I guess there really is no one else…but Hendo would beat the crap out of him. In my opinion, he is the 2nd best.

[quote post=”3505″]Could not of said it better.[/quote]

Thank you Mr. NC17.

In my list, I have Wilson Gouveia ranked at #9. I am pretty sure that that will be much higher than anyone else would have him ranked. But when I watch him fight, I just see RAW talent. Some of his wins just look effortless, its actually quite amazing. I am really looking forward to his next fight. He is 3-1 in the UFC. His loss came to Keith Jardine in his first fight in the octagon. Since then, he is 3-0, submitting guys quickly. Two of them were submitted in the first round, and the other was submitted 39 seconds into the second round. I think the only thing holding Wilson back is his training regiman. For some reason, I don’t think that he trains to his full potential. I have no proof of this whatsoever, but its just he impression I get. He appears to have all the talent in the world, now he just needs to refine it and apply it.

btw, with all these lists being dished out this is for Overall Rankings or Next In Line For A Title Shot? I think it’s the latter but obviously a FEW people are confusing the two when they’re very different categories…

i’m okay with this list…

1. Rampage
2. Forrest
3. Jardine
4. Wanderlei
5. Henderson
6. Houston/ Shogun
7. Rashad
8. Machida
9. Lambert
10. Bisping/Hamill/Gouevaia(spelling?)

[quote comment=”165834″][quote comment=”165789″]he got his ass beat and he is using his knee as an excuse by saying he is not going to use it for an excuse or he would not have brought it up.[/quote]

UHHH DERRRR! The article is about his surgery. Here is what you need to realize. He is talking to the press, who is asking him questions like, “Do you think your knee is the reason you lost the fight?”

Shogun is still young and has tons of talent. He will have the belt, eventually.[/quote]

I just thought of a good strategy as a fighter.
Befriend a doctor.
If you lose, release a note that surgery was performed and take a picture in a hospital bed.
Not saying shogun did this.

Here is the real list:

1. Rampage- new and approved absolutely #1
2. Henderson- would easily beat anyone but Rampage
3. Wanderlei- would destroy Forrest or Jardine
4. Liddell- would beat Jardine 70% of the time
5. Shogun- needs to go back on roids
6. Machida- technical knows how to win
7. Belfort- he is coming back baby
8. Jardine- number 8 is as high as he will ever go
9. Forrest- way overrated I think he sucks
10. Hamill- dudes a badass destroyed Bisping

Is there any proof that shogun was on roids or is that pure speculation from bloggers who speak out of their ass?

[quote comment=”165794″]you are all leaving out the main point of his loss. He was loaded on steroids in Pride. Now he is without them. He looked totally different than in the past. Look at tapes of his physique in pride and then the UFC. Knee problem or not. It was not the same guy. Rampage and his camp said it best, “some of those great pride fighters will struggle here, just because the rules of steroids are different over here”.[/quote]

I have to agree with that. I also attribute the weight cutting techniques that the UFC fighters use so their bigger than the Pride fighters making the same weight class (Forrest looked way bigger than Shogun). The rules and the cage are a factor too but the steroids can be a huge factor.

[quote comment=”167186″]Here is the real list:

1. Rampage- new and approved absolutely #1
2. Henderson- would easily beat anyone but Rampage
3. Wanderlei- would destroy Forrest or Jardine
4. Liddell- would beat Jardine 70% of the time
5. Shogun- needs to go back on roids
6. Machida- technical knows how to win
7. Belfort- he is coming back baby
8. Jardine- number 8 is as high as he will ever go
9. Forrest- way overrated I think he sucks
10. Hamill- dudes a badass destroyed Bisping[/quote]

Interesting. It’s amazing how stacked this weight class is now. I do have to mention that Ortiz has victories over three of these guys. Although the accumulation of injuries over the past decade of fighting at the elite level have taken away his 2nd and 3rd round fire, he’s still been pulling out the nods from the judges.

Bisping didn’t look too bad in the second the third round against Hamill (although I thought Hamill won). Rashad and Houston may want a slot too.

I think we need a UFC LHW Grand Prix tournament!