he is right

I agree. I am just happy to see the Pride fighters in the UFC. It makes for some great match ups.

a fight with Randy will never happen because Josh Barnett does to many roids..

He was Juiced in the first match, he still thinks that he is the UFC Heavyweight champ, honestly that should not count as a loss on Randy’s record. In a rematch I would pick Randy to win.

At the weigh ins for UFC 75 Dana Said: “Josh Barnett is a punk” he says he is shooting his mouth off about the UFC and how he beat Randy Couture to make some headlines for himself as he is no longer under contract. He also said Randy was a different fighter back then and he believed Randy would beat him if they met again.

THEY SHOULD PUT JOSH BARNETT AGAINST THE GIANT BROCK LESNAR!!! That would be 2 huge dudes beatin the hell outta eachother!!

Just sign the fucking guy. He not the only guy to ever use roids in the UFC.

Josh Barnett should be fighting in the UFC.

Anderson Silva is not a pride fighter Josh, yes he’s fought there but hes been all over not just pride. I wouldnt say he had most of his fights there

[quote comment=”164451″]THEY SHOULD PUT JOSH BARNETT AGAINST THE GIANT BROCK LESNAR!!! That would be 2 huge dudes beatin the hell outta eachother!![/quote]

WICKED !

The reason pride fighters are having problems in the UFC is that the UFC tests for steroids.

anderson silva had like four fights in pride lol, josh barnett needs to sign with hero’s like we all no hes going to and shut the hell up

[quote comment=”164451″]THEY SHOULD PUT JOSH BARNETT AGAINST THE GIANT BROCK LESNAR!!! That would be 2 huge dudes beatin the hell outta eachother!![/quote]

OK so he could submit him in the first 30 seconds. That would be fun to watch. Easy fight to hype but not a good match up.

[quote comment=”164456″]Anderson Silva is not a pride fighter Josh, yes he’s fought there but hes been all over not just pride. I wouldnt say he had most of his fights there[/quote]

..His point is Silva became ANDERSON SILVA in pride..that was the biggest stsge he fought on..until UFC signed him over.. n my eyes I first saw Anderson Silva, Rampage, Big Nog, Wandi, Shogun, Fedor, Heath, Henderson..in pride..to me they are all pride fighters..So far Silva / and Rampage are performing the best..are UFC Champions..Fedor comes over..more than likely will be a future UFC Champ..Shogun needs more fights to see what he does.. Wandi is Wandi.. I think pride fighters are awesome not to say UFC fighters aren’t too..but I still give props when props are due.

RoJ

Anderson Silva has 5 fights in Pride, thats more or equal to any other org he fought in, and besides Anderson Silva and UFC mentioned that he was a Pride fighter when he first came into UFC, (don’t worry or feel threatened, it doesn’t mean that UFC fighters

Who cares what he thinks?! Will he just sign with somebody and get in the ring already? Pride was great but it was mismanaged and now its gone. There is no such thing as ‘Team Pride’ v ‘Team UFC’.

For those that are so critical of Josh Barnett, I want to see the same anger towards Sean Sherk when he gets tested … oops already happened.

It doesn’t mean that UFC fighters are weaker than Pride Fighters) they are all good…

But let’s be honest, we didn’t come to know the buzz about A Silva through Cage Rage or KOTC PPV’s or media coverage…

[quote comment=”164481″]The reason pride fighters are having problems in the UFC is that the UFC tests for steroids.[/quote]

I’m touching my nose and pointing at you! I’m glad I’m not the only one who thinks this.

And if you ask them now they will all respond that they are UFC fighters…

By this standard, Rampage and Silva are UFC fighters, this is the biggest stage they have fought on, and their current popularity is solely from their exposure as UFC champs. MMA fans knew them when they were in Pride, but now EVERYONE knows them as UFC champs. I don’t know why they are making a big deal about former Pride guys anyway.

According to Yahoo! Sports, Strikeforce is where it’s at anyway!! HAHA

I have a ton of respect for Barnett, not only because he is a badass, but because he is one kick ass dude. I actually met him out in Hawaii for the Elite XC fights last month and he was cool as hell. Very humble and well spoken too. I actually asked him when ‘they were going to feed Fedor to him’. He said that there’s prolly not enough money out there to make a fight like that happen (It would be interesting if Cuba could put that match together). Anywho, I think he would have a great chance against Couture. Couture is a world-class athlete that is very intelligent and great at adapting to fighters, but Barnett has a similar background, yet he is bigger and prolly stronger. Either way, Dana should just bring him and Fedor in to do some justice to that weight class. I think Dana limits the UFC by trying to protect certain fighters and by being too ‘tight’ (I’m not gonna mention names), and it is no

I have a ton of respect for Barnett, not only because he is a badass, but because he is one kick ass dude. I actually met him out in Hawaii for the Elite XC fights last month and he was cool as hell. Very humble and well spoken too. I actually asked him when ‘they were going to feed Fedor to him’. He said that there’s prolly not enough money out there to make a fight like that happen (It would be interesting if Cuba could put that match together). Anywho, I think he would have a great chance against Couture. Couture is a world-class athlete that is very intelligent and great at adapting to fighters, but Barnett has a similar background, yet he is bigger and prolly stronger. Either way, Dana should just bring him and Fedor in to do some justice to that weight class. I think Dana limits the UFC by trying to protect certain fighters and by being too ‘tight’ (I’m not gonna mention names), and it is not fair to some fighters like Barnett. It seems like Barnett is just holding out to recieve an offer from the UFC, and Dana is being the punk. I do agree with Barnett about Page and Anderson, but I don’t think that the pattern will hold for long. I think Hendo and Wandy are on the rise and will be taking care of some serious business too.

You can’t argue that MOST are having a tough time adjusting. Of course there’s going to be a few guys who go on to success, but the guys we all expected to dominate are all experiencing a few bumps. Barnett’s been flying off the handle with his mouth lately. Roid rage must be hell.

[quote post=”3490″]THEY SHOULD PUT JOSH BARNETT AGAINST THE GIANT BROCK LESNAR!!! That would be 2 huge dudes beatin the hell outta eachother!! [/quote]

Yeah, and it should happpen in the WWF. Did anyone read the interview? Do you know what he’s currently doing? He is a pro-wrestler over in Japan. LOL. And no, I’m not making it up. Its in the interview. He had a pro wrestling match with Don Frye! Mark Coleman and Kevin Randleman were also on the card. To me, Josh Barnett is a joke. I was never a fan of his, and I never will be.

I am glad that Dana has stuck to his guns on this guy. He is obviously just a legend in his own mind, and the only way I would want to see him fight is if the test him for roids every month for 6 months before his fight.

[quote comment=”164456″]Anderson Silva is not a pride fighter Josh, yes he’s fought there but hes been all over not just pride. I wouldnt say he had most of his fights there[/quote]

Anderson Silva had 5 Pride Fights, he also had 6 fights in Mecca: World Vale Tudo before that, and since pride he has had 4 in Cage Rage, and 5 in a few smaller organzations though out all his runs.

This will also be his 5th fight in the UFC at 77 against Franklin.

Out of Silva’s 23 fights, only 5 were pride and only 3 of those 5 were victories.

[quote comment=”164485″][quote comment=”164451″]THEY SHOULD PUT JOSH BARNETT AGAINST THE GIANT BROCK LESNAR!!! That would be 2 huge dudes beatin the hell outta eachother!![/quote]

OK so he could submit him in the first 30 seconds. That would be fun to watch. Easy fight to hype but not a good match up.[/quote]

They should call it UFC 80 ROID RAGE!!!

[quote comment=”164510″]Anderson Silva has 5 fights in Pride, thats more or equal to any other org he fought in, and besides Anderson Silva and UFC mentioned that he was a Pride fighter when he first came into UFC . . .[/quote]

The oddity of it all is that Spider and Rampage hold belts now but were mediocre PRIDE fighters. Page was written off as second-tier after absorbing vicious beatings from Shogun and Wand (twice). Silva was 3-2 in PRIDE, dropping his last two fights to unspectacular competition before PRIDE dropped him. When UFC picked him up, he was doing Cage Rage and Rumble on the Rock fights. Both of these guys are much better fighters than when they were with PRIDE. Strangely, the bigger names in PRIDE, like Cro Cop, Heath Herring, Aurelio and Shogun are having a tough go at it. Don’t know what this says about PRIDE, but if Josh Barnett thinks he has some point to prove, then I’d like to see Dana put him in the Octagon.

Yea I was wondering why they havn’t been hyping a possible Wanderlei/Rampage rematch. Since Rampage did get beat twice, once by KO, once by strikes.

If anything thats the fight I’d like to see. Lets see if the new Rampage is better than he was.

Sonnen def Suloev
Diaz Def Gomi at Gomi’s weight 160 (yes it is a nocontest but he lossed we all know it)
Guida def Aurelio (the same guy who beat there champ and the lost a split dec to gomi.) Guida is the guy who is barely a top 10 UFC fighter.

Monson Def Fujita
AA def Werdum
GG Def Cro Cop
Kongo Def CC
Hinkle Def Zentsov (This is the guy many thought could be a champ in the UFC LOL)

Forest Def Shogun
Stevenson def Mishima
Florian Def Mishima
Prangley def Kondo (both guys in and out of there orgs)

Rampage def Chuck
Filhio Def Doerkson

12-2 And not all are in the Cage! Ring or Cage it doesnt seem to matter

For the Record Anderson Silva has been out of the Pride Org for 3 yrs, I would say anything over 18 Months makes him something other than a Pride fighter. He had one fight after a 18 Month layoff from Pride.
If Anderson is a Pride fighter then Hendo and Barnett, V. silva are UFC fighters. Silva has also had just as many UFC fights as Pride matches.

[quote comment=”164481″]The reason pride fighters are having problems in the UFC is that the UFC tests for steroids.[/quote]

I agree. It isn’t as if a ton of ufc fighters cycle on and off of roids or anything. All of the people who fail just didn’t know it was going to be tested, and didn’t fuck up said cycles at all… Ignorance = bliss?

I don’t think it has anything to do with roids. I think some fighters are just better in different environments than others. Rampage was never champion in Pride, then dominated the ufc champ. Anderson Silva lost to 2 fighters no where near the top 10, then came and dominated. On the other hand Cro Cop has lost twice in convincing fashion, and Shogun was submitted by Forrest. Also, I think a good gameplan has a lot to do with those losses.

Also, it isn’t just the Pride fighters getting upset. In the past year we’ve seen Sylvia, Chuck, and GSP (among others) get beat in convincing fashion by underdogs

Take away head stomps, soccer kicks, ring ropes, and what else? Oh, yeah, the drugs. That’s why Pride fighters are having trouble adjusting. Either that, or they’re just not the be-all end-all of fighting that some people seem to think they are.

[quote comment=”164453″]Just sign the fucking guy. He not the only guy to ever use roids in the UFC.

Josh Barnett should be fighting in the UFC.[/quote]

Frizz, I completely agree. Plenty of UFC fighters tested positive for roids and went on to continue to fight in the UFC. Y doesn’t Barnett get a second shot? He is only with out a doubt a top 5 Heavyweight fighter in the world and could present problems for any top UFC Heavyweight. Dana might not like the shit that comes out of his mouth but so what? Kendall says one dumb thing after an other in all his interviews. The things Kendall says are way worse then what Barnett says… What did Barnett say that was sooo bad? that he was the best, he is a fighter, what the hell is he supposed to say? I dont care about fan favorites, or marketable fighters, or any of that crap. All I want to see is all the best fighters in the world in the UFC, and to do that, you have to sign Barnett. For those who dont think Basrnett can compete at a high level, u r nutts. He is a naturally Big dude (reguardless of roid use), he is extremely skilled and talented, he is battle tested and I for one would love to see him in the Octagon again. On any given night, he is capable of beating any heavyweight in the world… So to me its a no brainer.

Gotta sign Him!!!!!!

I hope they do sign him. Randy is twice the fighter that he was back then. He did not have the stand up back then that he does now. I would love to see him get a title shot and Randy ground and pound him. Then Barnett would test positive for roids again and we would see Randy is still the champ. This guy has been bragging about beating Randy for years now and beat him while cheating, does he not understand he cheated and that is why he won. At least when Tim Silvia got busted he came back and did not cry about what he did and that he was still the champ. He went back and got the belt!

i disagree, silva did not fight most of his fights in pride and in my opinion is not a “pride fighter”

“It is easy to throw a UFC label on Jackson because he is American. He only fought one fight in the cage with WFA before he went to the UFC.”

Quinton fought in Gladiator Challenge and KOTC early in his career - both use cages.

[quote comment=”164538″][quote comment=”164485″][quote comment=”164451″]THEY SHOULD PUT JOSH BARNETT AGAINST THE GIANT BROCK LESNAR!!! That would be 2 huge dudes beatin the hell outta eachother!![/quote]

OK so he could submit him in the first 30 seconds. That would be fun to watch. Easy fight to hype but not a good match up.[/quote]

They should call it UFC 80 ROID RAGE!!![/quote]

Yep and they can have Sherk, Bonner, Franca, Sylvia, Monson, & Belfort on the undercard! More roids for your money!

I want to see Barnett back in the cage

[quote post=”3490″]They should call it UFC 80 ROID RAGE!!! [/quote]
LOL…. Its time for rage in the cage, sponsered by roidamins, if you need that extra bulk, just juice it up with roidamins

[quote comment=”164676″][quote post=”3490″]They should call it UFC 80 ROID RAGE!!! [/quote]
LOL…. Its time for rage in the cage, sponsered by roidamins, if you need that extra bulk, just juice it up with roidamins[/quote]

Also sponsored by ROIDS R US…kids getting bullied?? send them to Geoffrey “the Juicer” Giraffe and he’ll bulk little jimmy right up.

[quote post=”3490″]He was Juiced in the first match, he still thinks that he is the UFC Heavyweight champ, honestly that should not count as a loss on Randy’s record. In a rematch I would pick Randy to win. [/quote]

I love Randy but I have to strongly disagree with you. Forget their fight many years ago, that ancient history. Look at both careers since then and you’ll see Josh has more wins against much bettter competition.

Got to agree unfortunately. I’m a big Randy fan, the guy’s a legend and well deserves his successes and I do like Barnett but not as much. But I have to say Barnett has kicked some ass (very suprised Crocop beat him twice though) and he’d be good in the UFC. I think he’d take some serious stopping if he came in on form.

[quote post=”3490″]Look at both careers since then and you’ll see Josh has more wins against much bettter competition. [/quote]

I disagree. Josh has beaten Mark Hunt, Aleksander Emelianenko, and Minotauro (then Minotauro avenged) and Dan Severn much earlier in his career. These are his most notable victories. Randy has beaten Tim Sylvia, Gabriel Gonzaga, and Chuck Liddell (then Chuck avenged) plus Vitor, Tito, Randleman, and Rizzo earlier in his career.

ENOUGH WITH THE PRIDE/UFC FIGHTERS BULLSHIT. THEY ARE MMA FIGHTERS. WHO GIVES A SHIT WHO WAS BETTER PRIDE OR UFC. MOST OF THE TOP TALENT WAS SPLIT BETWEEN THE TWO ORGANIZATIONS. YOU CAN MAKE A CASE FOR BOTH.

Sean Sherk has taken a beating in this forum. His test wasn’t to crazy compared to everyone else mentioned. His test was 12 ng. Nandrolone testing has been flawed worldwide and numerous athletes have had their suspensions overturned. Sherk’s appeal will be overtunrned and he will still have the belt. sorry for all the stevenson and penn fans out there. Most athletes who fail nandrolone tests come in around 45-50 ng. This is naturally found in the body at about 6 ng. The right combination of supps. can boost that substantially. seeing how he takes something like 50 pills a day with each documented he will get off. No doubt in my mind.

I hope the UFC never signs Barnett. We don’t need to bring back cheaters who skip town to another promotion because they get caught cheating. I agree with the poster that said the loss that Randy took because of Barnett’s cheating should be ruled a no-contest or stricken from his record. As for Barnett thinking he is still the UFC HW champ, it just goes to show you what “juicing” does to the brain. Barnett should just STFU and go away.

BARNETT is a joke. I hate that cat.

Anderson Silva is not a PRIDE fighter nor is a Cage Rage fighter or anything. He is a fighter that kills people thats all he’s jumped around some much that you can’t say he belongs to anyone

PW
“Take away head stomps, soccer kicks, ring ropes, and what else? Oh, yeah, the drugs. That’s why Pride fighters are having trouble adjusting. Either that, or they’re just not the be-all end-all of fighting that some people seem to think they are.”

-Steroid issue aside, that is the point, it’s not just 1 disadvantage it’s a combination of them, some will have a more difficult time adjusting depending on their style of fighting and acuity in adapting to all those changes immediately. Also it’s pretty obvious by now, that there is no such thing as a be-all end-all fighter, such as the sport of boxing, amateur wrestling, etc… MMA itself is the be-all end all sport, no one stays on top for long or goes undefeated like other combatant sports.

jjdnb
“I love Randy but I have to strongly disagree with you. Forget their fight many years ago, that ancient history. Look at both careers since then and you’ll see Josh has more wins against much bettter competition.”

-I can’t agree that Barnett has fought better fighters than Randy, that is again saying that Hvy Weights are better in Pride or elsewhere. I think that’s pretty much been proven they are not,(exception Fedor) with the recent loss of Cro Cop (Pretty much Pride’s #2nd hvyweight), and I have never been that impressed with Nog, even though I thnk he’s got a ton of heart.

-Couture versus Barnett, at age 44 Couture is a better fighter than anytime in his past career. His gnp is the same but his standup game has absolutely elevated. So far his age has not proven to be a hinderance, but a plus in the maturity in his arsenal, his diet, lifestyle, motivation, mental game and tenacity has also elevated and is only equaled by a few fighters, all in different weight classes with one exception (Fedor). Couture beats Barnett this time around.

[quote comment=”164840″]ENOUGH WITH THE PRIDE/UFC FIGHTERS BULLSHIT. THEY ARE MMA FIGHTERS. WHO GIVES A SHIT WHO WAS BETTER PRIDE OR UFC. MOST OF THE TOP TALENT WAS SPLIT BETWEEN THE TWO ORGANIZATIONS. YOU CAN MAKE A CASE FOR BOTH.[/quote]

Exactly. I Agree 100%.

I Hope Barnett Signs to The UFC and loses all his fights.
Put Him Against Couture And then ol joshy boy might stop running his mouth.

[quote comment=”164456″]Anderson Silva is not a pride fighter Josh, yes he’s fought there but hes been all over not just pride. I wouldnt say he had most of his fights there[/quote]

YEP. Silva Has Fought alot in cage rage.

dana should sign barnett to stop the possibility of somewhere else getting fedor vs barnett

that could legitimately be the true world champion

imagine danas face if that was headlining elitexc

id definitely class rampage as a pride fighter and the same for silva as pre ufc they both had several fights in the only other major mma promotion that was pride

nog and herring both looked competent fighters and dan henderson is a machine

to go the distance against a properly Juanito trained rampage who probably weighed about 20-30 pounds more than him is impressive

of the big fighters the 2 disappointments were crocop and shogun who both looked way off the pace

then again chuck and gsp lost this year so to say pride fighters were on roids or cant cut it is a joke

crocop was too arrogant and a bit sloppy and got injured against kongo

shogun is hard to defend as i cant really think of why he could be so poor

How does it work when a fighter “wins” but later tests positive for steroids? Does the win still count on their record? and maybe more importantly, does a loss count on the opponents? If they can take the belt, not let you fight, and slap you with a fine, surely they can call the fight a no contest and take away the ‘w’ or the loss. Anyhow I was just thinking about Josh/Randy senario.

Anderson Silva had only 5 of his 25 fights in pride..maybe barnett should do some studying before he opens his mouth even tho i do agree that nogueira had a dominant appearance and im all for pride fighters doing good in UFC, i want to see barnett back his talk since all he does is trash the ufc.

PW
“Take away head stomps, soccer kicks, ring ropes, and what else? Oh, yeah, the drugs. That’s why Pride fighters are having trouble adjusting. Either that, or they’re just not the be-all end-all of fighting that some people seem to think they are.”

-Steriod issue aside. That is the point, it’s not just one disadvantage it’s multiples. Depends on a fighters style and ability to adapt in training and then perform fight day. Jackson’s style and ability to adapt (great new training camp, improved Jackson) makes him a tough as nails UFC fighter, not all ring fighters can transition as well to UFC cage.

jjdnb
“I love Randy but I have to strongly disagree with you. Forget their fight many years ago, that ancient history. Look at both careers since then and you’ll see Josh has more wins against much bettter competition.”

-I agree 12121212’s perspective, and your statement goes back to the old argument, other fight venues has tougher competition than the UFC and Pride HVYWT Fighters are better. I think Cro Cop already proved that isn’t the case, he was esentially the #2 Fighter at Hvy in Pride, and since then he’s gotten beat badly in UFC. I like Nog but not strongly impressed, I think he’s got a lot of heart (takes a great beating from fedor)and has a tough time with Herring (he can take a good beating as well). Of course there are other tough pride HVY fighters to see, I’m remarking on the top Pride HVYWTS in UFC now.

-I agree with JSS, “Randy is twice the fighter today” Despite his age it’s actually turned out to be an assest rather than a hinderance. He’s had a longer time to improve his skills, as a much stronger dirty boxer, clinching standup fighter than he ever was, and his gnp is as good as anyone’s in any weight class. His diet, lifestyle, motivation, mental maturity and tenacity are at a new level. Only one HVYWT truly standouts from all the other Pride HVYWTS, and he’s not signed yet.

As much as I respect Randy now…is it beyond the realm of possiblity that Randy was also using steriods back in the days before the UFC tested for it?

It was interesting to see Barnett on Human Weapon. He’s a knowledgable guy…doesn’t seem like a meathead that the steriods thing is portraying.

Barnett is not only one of my favourite heavy weights but one of my favourite fighters. He is an amazing submission expert, definately top 4 as far as heavyweights are concerned. The guy can really take a beating as well, he nearly alaways manages to get his submission in no matter how hard his opponent is beating down on him. His only real problem has been Cro Cop. He should definately be allowed back in the UFC, he is one of the most talented fighters out there.
I definately think he is as good if not better than Randy in every way, even more so with the submissions. He is also bigger and stronger. I would not have a problem being proved wrong about this, Randy taking him out would be amazing, but if this is still the same Barnett, I really don’t see it happening. For MMA fans it would be an excellent fight it would also generate a good amount of cash, Randy could get revenge and and they would have to create a new category for him as far as UFC status is concerned. It will probably never happen but I think it is definately one of the best matches out there as far as the heavyweight division is concerned second to a Fedor match.

[quote comment=”164484″]anderson silva had like four fights in pride lol, josh barnett needs to sign with hero’s like we all no hes going to and shut the hell up[/quote]
i agree. i think jens pulver fought in pride almost as much as a.silva. barnett sounds jealous and bitter

[quote post=”3490″]ENOUGH WITH THE PRIDE/UFC FIGHTERS BULLSHIT. THEY ARE MMA FIGHTERS. WHO GIVES A SHIT WHO WAS BETTER PRIDE OR UFC. MOST OF THE TOP TALENT WAS SPLIT BETWEEN THE TWO ORGANIZATIONS. YOU CAN MAKE A CASE FOR BOTH.[/quote]
Exaclty, thanks for saving me the time for writing this. I think you’r post is proven about the talent being split, that’s why the belts are evenly distributed, held but “ufc” and “pride” guys. I means there are five belts, odd number but, this is as even as it can get haha.

but “ufc”….. should be - by “ufc”….

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

These guys are fucking fighters. It’s not UFC this or PRIDE that. Every guy in the world who fights in any organization is in it for the paycheck. If fucking BFE fight night paid like UFC and PRIDE Chuck Liddell would fight some inbred dude behind a lumberyard. IT IS ALL ABOUT THE PAYCHECK!! The fighters don’t truly give a shit about the org and the org doesn’t care about the fighters so people need to stop bitching about a guy being a “PRIDE” fighter or a “UFC” fighter.

Sakurai vs Pulver
Gomi vs Pulver
Rampage vs Liddell 1
Rampage vs Liddell 2
Belfort vs Overeem 1
Overeem vs Belfort 2
Anderson Silva vs Franklin (who cares about Leben?)
Nogueira vs Sylvia
Herring vs Kongo
Melendez vs Guida
Hansen vs Edwards
Gono vs McCrory

Shogun vs Griffin
CC vs Gonzaga
CC vs Kongo
Chonan vs Parisyan

PRIDE is 12-4 in all real PRIDE vs UFC fights.
Now since PRIDE has been killed, ive got to say that the UFC won in the most important match up:

DANA WHITE BEATS NOBUHIKO SAKAKIBARA BY BUYING PRIDE FC.