Why would the belcher fight be above Okami-McDonald? The winner of that fight will probably have the next title fight.

macdonald and okami should TOTALLY be broadcast…i hope the ufc guys smarten up and show that…it’s a great match up and totally reflects the future of the 185 pounders…

besides that, i hope vera mops the floor with sylvia!

stacked

[quote comment="163958"]macdonald and okami should TOTALLY be broadcast…i hope the ufc guys smarten up and show that…it’s a great match up and totally reflects the future of the 185 pounders…

besides that, i hope vera mops the floor with sylvia![/quote]
Neither Okami or Macdonald is anywhere near Sylva or Franklin. We need some 185 pounders bad.

Why couldn’t they give us northeast folk something like this for 78?

I feel sorry for Franklin for having to do this fight. I’m sure he’s gotta do it because it is in his contract or something. Gosh, it’s gonna be UGLY!!!

Silva – TKO 1st
Silvia/Ver – Double DQ ( they will both enter the cage covered in butter and commmence to making love to eachother)
bonnar – tko 2nd
belcher/starnes – who cares
okami/macdonald – should be broadcast over belcher/starnes – okami by gnp
Gurgel/robinson – draw
Burkman – unanimous desicion
jensen/maia – don’t care
Grice- knockout first round ( i’m from Oklahoma )

Why the hell isn’t Okami/ MacDonald a guaranteed televised bout? What has Kalib Starnes done to deserve main card status over 2 former title contenders? Beat Chris Leben??? Please…

why the fuck is starnes and blecher on the main card????????
LOL.

that is lame!!!!! i understsnd bonner.. because he is ac rwod favrotie. UFC marketing stucks.

It is really too bad they don’t show the prelim’s. still, the chance to see the Truth back in action makes it all worth it.

Franklin actually looks like he lost a bit of weight for this fight. At least that is the impression I got from the fight’s website. Perhaps a quicker Franklin can avoid the Thai clinch. I wouldn’t put money on it though.

P.S. Okami McDonal will be a boring fight. Dont know why anyone thinks it should be on the main card.

Bonner vs. a tomato can is main card? wtf Belcher vs. Starnes is a solid main card but not better than Macdonald vs. Okami. I’m gonna be pissed if this stays like this! (aren’t ppv card 5 fights min?)

OKAMI-MACDONALD BETTER BE TELEVISED

There’s no minimum for ppv fights. They will give us as few as we are wiling to pay for, so they can charge to watch the pre lims on demand. It seems like there used to be like 6 fights on a UFC ppv card. Eventually it will be 2 crappy fights and one main card ….just like boxing. freakin bastards. I love watching the pre fight hype crap over and over again for an hour while the prelims are going on. Then the 15 min stories behind the fights they play before the main cards, where pre lims could be showing. Then the stupid movie previews they play, where pre lims could be showing.

Who decides what to broadcast? Okami-Macdonald should totally be up there………

what a lame UFC night, boring…..Meh

WTF okami/mcdonald is 3rd best fight on that card and its not be broadcast on ppv

[quote comment="163991"]Bonner vs. a tomato can is main card? wtf Belcher vs. Starnes is a solid main card but not better than Macdonald vs. Okami. I’m gonna be pissed if this stays like this! (aren’t ppv card 5 fights min?)[/quote]

I reall hope you are not calling Eric Schafer a tomato can. Eric Schafer has some of the best BJJ in that weight class, actually he might have the best BJJ in that division.

I think Okami/MacDonald will be a swing bout that will more than likely be put on TV.

agreed with everyone else, the okami/macdonald fight should be seen on tv for sure. without question over bonnar or belcher and starnes. come on are you kidding me? dummy up a little bit ufc.

So, we’re all in agreement that the MacDonald/Okami fight is a bigger fight than Starnes/Blecher?!?!? Come on UFC!!! This fight has title-shot ramifications and it may not be broadcast. STUPID!!

Sylvia/Vera and Franklin/Silva should be fun to watch. The rest of the card doesn’t do much for me. UFC 78 look pretty weak. Tickets are going on sale this week and they haven’t even named the main event yet. What up?

I think its a mess up, usually there are 5 televised fights on a PPV. This card there is only 4. Okami/ Macdonald fight will no doubt get sorted out.

[quote comment="163968"]
Neither Okami or Macdonald is anywhere near Sylva or Franklin. We need some 185 pounders bad.[/quote]

Uh, did you see the Okami/Franklin fight? Franklin won, but anyone who saw that fight would never say Okami is not near Franklin.

[quote comment="164052"]Sylvia/Vera and Franklin/Silva should be fun to watch. The rest of the card doesn’t do much for me. UFC 78 look pretty weak. Tickets are going on sale this week and they haven’t even named the main event yet. What up?[/quote]

Hostile Territory, no? I thought that’s what the name is…

I have to agree that this card doesn’t seem too exciting. There’s definitely some competative matches but this may be the first UFC PPV in a long while that I’m not going to get.

The “Truth” is going to have ring rust and a tough welcome back. Randy will have Sylvia ready for him.

Good luck to Franklin. He’ll need it.

They’ve been putting franklin on some shitty cards lately, i don’t trust that info at all. 3, 3 round fights for the price of one PPV….that’s horse shit

I predict
Silva via TKO (Silva is too good on his feet)
Vera via decision(Sylvia is coming off of a loss and back surgery)
Bonnar via Stoppage
Starnes via decision
Okami via decision

silva is gonna knock franklin out again, and brandon vera better knock out tim silvia!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[quote comment="163990"]Franklin actually looks like he lost a bit of weight for this fight. At least that is the impression I got from the fight’s website. Perhaps a quicker Franklin can avoid the Thai clinch. I wouldn’t put money on it though.

P.S. Okami McDonal will be a boring fight. Dont know why anyone thinks it should be on the main card.[/quote]

Avoid the clinch? He didnt try to avoid the clinch the 1st fight. That was his gameplan. If you think he will get back in there, you are nuts and he would be too. This will be a different fight than the first…totally different.

[quote comment="164075"][quote comment="163968"]
Neither Okami or Macdonald is anywhere near Sylva or Franklin. We need some 185 pounders bad.[/quote]

Uh, did you see the Okami/Franklin fight? Franklin won, but anyone who saw that fight would never say Okami is not near Franklin.[/quote]

I agree that Okami is good, but he was awful in the Franklin fight. He wanted zero, ZERO to do with Franklin for 2 rounds and then got Franklin in a bad spot and got the kimura in the 3rd.

[quote comment="164083"]I predict
Silva via TKO (Silva is too good on his feet)
Vera via decision(Sylvia is coming off of a loss and back surgery)
Bonnar via Stoppage
Starnes via decision
Okami via decision[/quote]

Mine are the same as this guys!

Okami should get a title shot if he wins, and franklin loses.

I have a pre-fight prediction for you guys. Franklin won’t make weight. Any takers?

Hoodlum,
I have a pre-fight prediction for you guys. Franklin won’t make weight. Any takers?

Wellll, unless you know something we don’t I can’t see Franklin not making weight… why do you think that is more my question?

I’ll make a semi-prediction for the SlVA VS FRANKLIN… if Franklin is unrealistic and keeps this fight standing he will get knocked out!… If he’s realistic and fights more like a wrestler/jitsu Fighter, and respects Silva’s standup by taking it to the ground and ground and pound as often as he can, he’ll win by decision (it will be a boring fight though).

Now having said that, if Silva’s takedown defense is good enough and the fight is mostly standup, Silva, by knockout.

As for the rest of the cards I hope Vera Wins! I think he has the edge.

Except for the MacDonald VS Okami fight, this may be a UFC Event I’ll skip for once, something may be better on at the movies.

[quote comment="164075"][quote comment="163968"]
Neither Okami or Macdonald is anywhere near Sylva or Franklin. We need some 185 pounders bad.[/quote]

Uh, did you see the Okami/Franklin fight? Franklin won, but anyone who saw that fight would never say Okami is not near Franklin.[/quote]

Okami may be near Franklin but neither one is in Silva’s league. Realistically by the way he has been fighting, who is in his league? I Like Franklin but I feel bad for him cause unless he got alot stronger he is in a whole hell of alot of trouble. I got my money on silva all the way. This fight wont even be close. Vera will more than likely destroy the lame-n-wack silvia, I hope so.

Yikes, that IS a shitty card on paper

I think Franklin has a chance with a good shot or two and some fucken serious GnP…otherwise…..

[quote post="3489"]Realistically by the way he has been fighting, who is in his league?[/quote]

Who is in Anderson Silva’s league? Paulo Filho, Frank Shamrock, Matt Lindland and maybe Robbie Lawler. Anderson wouldn’t beat all of them, I’m sure of that. But, as you no doubt have noticed, those guys aren’t in the UFC. Maybe Henderson can drop down and fight Anderson, The UFC middleweight division is pretty weak. I think Franklin will do better in their second fight, and he could win, but the first one makes it seem like just a matter of time before Anderson gets the finish, especially in a five round bout.

Thorazine,

I just think he’s a little rattled and he’s completing changing his training regiment. I think he’s going to try to beat Anderson with strength IMO, and muscle weighs a lot more than water weight. Plus from what I’ve seen of Franklin at 185, he never looks comfortable with the cut. We’ll see though, just something that came to mind the more i read about the fight.

I like your fight prediction btw. I don’t know if Silva will accept a stall motion though, he’ll start throwing flying ninja stuff.

If they put boner ahead of okami/mcdonald I for one will not order. I mean I don’t like tuf and never will. So why should I pay when the televised portion includes tuf ‘dummies’
over more exciting fighters who were in pride, etc.

Just shows what a whore of an organiztion the ufc is!

[quote comment="164189"]If they put boner ahead of okami/mcdonald I for one will not order. I mean I don’t like tuf and never will. So why should I pay when the televised portion includes tuf ‘dummies’
over more exciting fighters who were in pride, etc.

Just shows what a whore of an organiztion the ufc is![/quote]

i agreed with you 100% until shogun went to sleep ala a tuf dummy

oh,y okami vs macdonlad fight will nopt be broadcast? these 2 guys are the tops dogs in the 185 division (next to franklin & silva).. they must be televised

I think the second fight will be just like the first Franklin is going to get Knocked out in frist round. Why is everybody saying Franklin is more determined he sucks he is washed up and silva is going to mop the floor with his butt.

my picks:

anderson silva vs. rich franklin: silva 3rd (T)KO
tim sylvia vs. brandon vera: sylvia unanimous decision
bonnar vs. schaffer: bonnar 2nd rd. rear naked choke
alan belcher vs. kalib starnes: starnes unanimous decision
okami vs. mcdonald: okami unanimous decision
matt grice vs. jason black: black 2nd rd. guillotine choke
jorge gurgel vs. alvin robinson: robinson unanimous decision
josh burkman vs. forrest petz: 2nd rd. (T)KO
maia vs. jenson: jenson 1st. rd. (T)KO

i think this is gonna be a big big test for silva, but only if rich comes out and fights with confidence like he usually does, if he fights like he knows he can win then it’ll be a war, but if he’s even the least bit timid then he’ll get exposed by silva again and get put down…it’ll be a good night for sylvia as long as his back is good to go, he should be able to win two out of three rounds against vera, vera has a lot of talent, but slyvia is too big and should be able to win this fight…i hope its just a mistake that the okami/j-mac fight isn’t on the main card, to me thats the 3rd best fight of the night, i think its gonna be hard for j-mac to submit okami but okami starts slow usually and if j-mac comes out aggressively and wins the first round he could definitely steal one of the other two for a decision, but i think okami’s strength will be too much for j-mac and he’ll either mount him and pound out a stoppage or he’ll win a unanimous decision…bonnar will definitely stop schaffer…i think alvin the kid robinson will stun gurgel…burkman hopefully will finally land one of those huge overhand punches he throws and score a KO…should be a good ppv, i’m pretty excited about it, i love silva and am a pretty big fan of sylvia’s even though no one else is, and bonnar is the man, so i’m definitely looking forward to it…

I’m not for certain if anyone brought this up yet or not, but Okami/McDonald will be televised. I am a taste bit disappointed that Mania is unaware of this. UFC PPVs have nine fights, five of which are televised, unless time allows for extra fights. At this particular moment there are only eight fights listed on the UFC website. As soon as the ninth fight is OFFICIALLY announced, we will then see that Okami/Mc is indeed a televised bout. Again, a website such as this which has been around for awhile should be a little more observant than that. Wake up!

don’t worry they will put this fight on tv, i knew the alan belcher fight would be on but bonner vs shaffer?? i thought maybe burkman would be on, but anyways it will be a good night

[quote post="3489"]but i think okami’s strength will be too much for j-mac and he’ll either mount him and pound out a stoppage or he’ll win a unanimous decision[/quote]

rich franklin who has beat both jason macdonald and yushin okami said in the UFC 72 post fight conference that Okami was not as strong as he thought he would be, and that he felt yushin okami was not quite as strong as jason macdonald.

It’s definetly time for Vera to show and prove! He can win this if he plays it smart for sure. GO VERA!

[quote comment="164308"][quote post="3489"]but i think okami’s strength will be too much for j-mac and he’ll either mount him and pound out a stoppage or he’ll win a unanimous decision[/quote]

rich franklin who has beat both jason macdonald and yushin okami said in the UFC 72 post fight conference that Okami was not as strong as he thought he would be, and that he felt yushin okami was not quite as strong as jason macdonald.[/quote]

people only assume Okami is strong because small man swick couldnt handle him.

I think Im gonna sit this one out. Bonnar and Starnes are not main card material, they’re not really even trying to give good cards anymore are they? What a jip

[quote post="3489"]I think Franklin will do better in their second fight, and he could win, but the first one makes it seem like just a matter of time before Anderson gets the finish, especially in a five round bout. [/quote]

I hope Franklin does better… I almost fell out of my chair watching the last beating Silva gave him.

I agree with everyone here… When I read the headline and saw McDonald and Okami in the undercard I couldn’t believe it. Someone made a mistake there

[quote post="3489"]I think Franklin will do better in their second fight, and he could win, but the first one makes it seem like just a matter of time before Anderson gets the finish, especially in a five round bout.
I hope Franklin does better… I almost fell out of my chair watching the last beating Silva gave him.
I agree with everyone here… [/quote]
franklin has nothing to lose here. this fight should be the longest anderson has seen in the cage yet… let’s go franklin!!!

this is like the kind of fight card boxing has. only 2 good fights and some mismatches to protect some favored fighters.

[quote comment="163991"]Bonner vs. a tomato can is main card? wtf Belcher vs. Starnes is a solid main card but not better than Macdonald vs. Okami. I’m gonna be pissed if this stays like this! (aren’t ppv card 5 fights min?)[/quote]

Why is every one always so down on the tomato can, that Bonner is fighting? Tomato can took Wanderli Silva to the 5th round in a Jungle Match back in 2001. He has a lot of competion under his belt…

[quote comment="164255"]I’m not for certain if anyone brought this up yet or not, but Okami/McDonald will be televised. I am a taste bit disappointed that Mania is unaware of this. UFC PPVs have nine fights, five of which are televised, unless time allows for extra fights. At this particular moment there are only eight fights listed on the UFC website. As soon as the ninth fight is OFFICIALLY announced, we will then see that Okami/Mc is indeed a televised bout. Again, a website such as this which has been around for awhile should be a little more observant than that. Wake up![/quote]

I said “guaranteed” because it’s not guaranteed. Will it be aired? Most likely. I was just surprised it was not “guaranteed.”

is this the first time only three fights have been sceduled to be televised? Usually there are 4 fights. My quess is the okami fight isn’t being showed so they can sell it on their website. slowly, the greed that ruined boxing is infecting the ufc.

[quote comment="164420"]is this the first time only three fights have been sceduled to be televised? Usually there are 4 fights. My quess is the okami fight isn’t being showed so they can sell it on their website. slowly, the greed that ruined boxing is infecting the ufc.[/quote]

Hvywt.: Tim Sylvia (23-3) vs. Brandon Vera (8-0)
205 lbs.: Stephan Bonnar (10-4) vs. Eric Schafer (7-2-2)
185 lbs.: Kalib Starnes (8-1-1) vs. Alan Belcher (10-3)

You are leaving out the main event.

Four fights are guaranteed.

The main card is pretty f’ing lame. No way I’ll buy this one. I’ll have to check it out some other way.

Other than watching the Truth and The Spida destroy….THIS IS SUCH A SHITTY ASS CARD!! Oh and I FUKIN HATE Stephan Bonnar!!!

If Silva puts Franklin away (again) then he will dominate that division for a long time. i really dont hope Dana puts his coins on franklin for winning this fight, it could shake up his “plans” again. if Silva wins i dont see a middleweight title fight for the next 6 months.. maybe there will be but no serious main event worth watching. unless Henderson decides to drop to middleweight. But i think he wont risk that against Silva. Belts generate money.

Now im a bit of a noob if it comes to pride.. aren’t there any good middleweights who could fill up the division with serious challenge? Right now (in my eyes) it’s Silva, Franklin and okami.

Okami-Mcdonald, those 2 guys are even better than Starnes at any given day, Mcdonald won’t submit Okami, so fight would go 3 rounds, that’s why it’s not on the main card.

If Franklin beats Silva, there are going to be alot of people eating their words.

jimmy said: “he [Franklin] sucks he is washed up”

WHAT!? He lost 1 fight to an awesome fighter, and suddenly he is washed up? Very fickle. If he beats Silva I can’t wait for everyone to say Silva sucks and is washed up. Front runners blow my mind.

The longer the fight goes the more i think it benifts franklin especially confidence wise. he needs to get silva guessing on what he is going to do and while taking this fight to the ground seems like the logical answer Rich has to find a way to set that up with his hands; especially if hes looking to stop silva. That’s going to be the hard since Silva likes people who come forward at him(chris leban)so the only real thing franklin can do is try to counter punch and jump silva’s punching lanes with quick jab counters and crosses.

The vera sylvia is interesting because vera is realatively untested against new breed top ufc fighters. he’s cleaned up frank mir and justin elliers who were both number one contender and former champion at one point in time but neither of them had a significant size advantage over vera. Sylvia has a decently big size advantage over vera both in size and height which will make it very difficult for vera to use his tuay clinch which he has used frequently in his past few fights to get inflict viscious knees on an opponent. If Sylvia tries to approach this fight technically like he did aganist monson, couture, and arloski 3, he will probably get picked apart by the end of the first and there onward. If he approaches the fight as an emotional fighter which he is much better at doing and uses his size to bully vera around it will only be a matter of time before vera’s seeing tweety birds.

[quote comment="164034"][quote comment="163991"]Bonner vs. a tomato can is main card? wtf Belcher vs. Starnes is a solid main card but not better than Macdonald vs. Okami. I’m gonna be pissed if this stays like this! (aren’t ppv card 5 fights min?)[/quote]

I reall hope you are not calling Eric Schafer a tomato can. Eric Schafer has some of the best BJJ in that weight class, actually he might have the best BJJ in that division.

I think Okami/MacDonald will be a swing bout that will more than likely be put on TV.[/quote]
Really? Ravishing Red’s BJJ is superior to Silva’s black belt level BJJ? Or even J-Mac’s? Or Grove’s? Face it, the dude is a tomato can.

If Rich loses this fight I will ball like a baby. I will be in the stands for this fight holding my BB gun. Once Anderson hits Rich I will fire few rounds in Andersons direction

[quote post="3489"]I reall hope you are not calling Eric Schafer a tomato can. Eric Schafer has some of the best BJJ in that weight class, actually he might have the best BJJ in that division.[/quote]

Shaw’s Grocery Store’s just had their yearly “Can-Can” sale. I was walking down the aisles and noticed some new brands I’ve never seen before, one of them being – Schafer’s Canned Ravishing Red Crushed Tomatos.

[quote post="3489"]I think its a mess up, usually there are 5 televised fights on a PPV. This card there is only 4. Okami/ Macdonald fight will no doubt get sorted out. [/quote]

There are always 4 fights on the main card, PLUS 1 swing bout. The swing bout is shown 99% of the time – as long as there is time for it to be shown, and the fight actually takes place during the live televised prortion – its not a pre-recorded prelim. A good example of a swing bout, was Kenny Florian vs Alvin Robinson at UFC Stacked. The UFC didn’t think that there was going to be time to show the swing bout, but since Anderson Silva took care of Nate Marquardt in the 1st round, they had time for the swing bout, and the swing bout actually took place AFTER the main event. That’s why they kind of rushed everyone out of the octagon. That is the only instance I can think of where it was after the main event. Usually the swing bout is the 2nd or 3rd fight shown.

[quote post="3489"]I have a pre-fight prediction for you guys. Franklin won’t make weight. Any takers? [/quote]

Thorazine, do you want to bet as well? Is this just a heads up bet, or are there odds attached.

Because I’d even be willing to give you up to 50 – 1 odds. I’ll bet you $10. If he makes weight, you owe me $10, but if he doesn’t make weight, I owe you $500.

If not making weight guaranteed that Rich wouldn’t have to stop foot into the octagon with Anderson, then he’d come in weighing 224 lbs. But since Anderson has the choice of whether or not he still wants to fight Rich if Rich doesn’t make weight, he might as well take his beating at the proper weight.

[quote post="3489"]So why should I pay when the televised portion includes tuf “dummies’ over more exciting fighters who were in pride, etc.
Just shows what a whore of an organiztion the ufc is! [/quote]

All those PRIDE stars sure looked great and entertaining so far – NOT! Heath the Hired Gun Herring sucks monkey balls, and he nearly beat Big Nog (I am a fan of Big Nog as well). Cro Cop, well, I won’t even get started. Marcus Aurellio got dominated by Clay Guida. Forrest took Shogun to school and introduced him to how we throw down here in the USA.

Please name me 1 fighter from PRIDE that has had great exciting fights in the UFC? Rampage doesn’t count because he was aquired from the WFA, not PRIDE. Also, Anderson Silva was done with PRIDE way before the UFC bought them.

All of these “TUF Dummies” have been winning and winning. At this past UFN, most people were picked Terry Martin to beat Leben, but Leben won. Your TUF Dummies won every single fight on that card. TUF Dummy Joe Stevenson is fighting BJ Penn for the LW belt. KenFlo the TUF dummy already had a title shot and will be #1 contender again very soon. KOS, yes he is a dummy, but he was just in a #1 contender match with GSP, and he lasted all 3 rounds. TUF Dummmy Jardine just beat Chuck Liddell and Forrest just beat Shogun. I could go on and on and on if you’d like me to, just let me know.

Of course, every season of TUF will have their Danny Abadi’s, Josh Rafferty’s, Wayne Weem’s, and hopefully never again a Joe Scarola, but each season we get some good solid talent for the UFC!

[quote post="3489"]Now im a bit of a noob if it comes to pride.. aren’t there any good middleweights who could fill up the division with serious challenge? Right now (in my eyes) it’s Silva, Franklin and okami. [/quote]

For some reason, all the good MW’s that Zuffa is signing are going to the WEC, when they should be in the UFC. Its a disgrace the Paulo Filho is in the WEC. Jason Mayhem Miller who is currently with the WEC MW division is more than ready to fight in the UFC again. Actually, I think that he would be ranked about number 5 in the division, before even fighting – that’s how weak this division is right now.

somebody has to step up in the 185’s. McDonald got used by Franklin. Dan Henderson needs to drop to 185 and fight the winner here.

other than the headliner, this is one boring card. with a PPV event practically every month, this one is way too weak.

the one i wanna see is the return of the truth, big fan of vera he might be rusty in the cage being off for a year and that scares me since he is fighting slyvia.

[quote comment="164462"][quote comment="164034"][quote comment="163991"]Bonner vs. a tomato can is main card? wtf Belcher vs. Starnes is a solid main card but not better than Macdonald vs. Okami. I’m gonna be pissed if this stays like this! (aren’t ppv card 5 fights min?)[/quote]

I reall hope you are not calling Eric Schafer a tomato can. Eric Schafer has some of the best BJJ in that weight class, actually he might have the best BJJ in that division.

I think Okami/MacDonald will be a swing bout that will more than likely be put on TV.[/quote]
Really? Ravishing Red’s BJJ is superior to Silva’s black belt level BJJ? Or even J-Mac’s? Or Grove’s? Face it, the dude is a tomato can.[/quote]

Wow.. you do know your MMA weight classes.

Schafer is a LIGHT HEAVY WEIGHT and probably does have the best BJJ in that DIVISION.. WHICH IS LIGHT HEAVY WEIGHT.

Thales Leites bar none has the best BJJ in the Middleweight division, followed up by Travis Lutter and Martin Kampmann, then Anderson Silva.

J-Mac does not have THAT GREAT of BJJ. Schafer bar none has better BJJ than J-Mac, he has better BJJ than Kendall Grove.

[quote post="3489"]Thales Leites bar none has the best BJJ in the Middleweight division, followed up by Travis Lutter and Martin Kampmann, then Anderson Silva.[/quote]

Thales for sure, as far as the UFC is concerned(Paulo Filho). But I was not aware that Martin Kampmann had such great BJJ. He is know for his standup, primarily.

[quote comment="164735"][quote post="3489"]Thales Leites bar none has the best BJJ in the Middleweight division, followed up by Travis Lutter and Martin Kampmann, then Anderson Silva.[/quote]

Thales for sure, as far as the UFC is concerned(Paulo Filho). But I was not aware that Martin Kampmann had such great BJJ. He is know for his standup, primarily.[/quote]

He has phenominal bjj, just you wont see it alot because he is a stand up fighter like you mentioned.

I would love to see a Filho/Jacare match.

At least Chonan got signed, he is an exciting fighter and will add some depth to the division. I can also see mayhem tearing up the middleweight division. He is crazy talented especially in his grappling. He would run through okami mcdonald, starnes i wanna see mayhem/kampmann anyone….
Filoh will be in the UFC within the year he has no comp in WEC, he is soo short though

Contrary to what alot of people think, this card is very weak in my opinion. This is the worst card since 72 which was worse than UFN 11.

72 also headlined by Franklin BTW,,,,,He should never be a main event.

Violent mike is a genius.

[quote comment="164804"]At least Chonan got signed, he is an exciting fighter and will add some depth to the division. I can also see mayhem tearing up the middleweight division. He is crazy talented especially in his grappling. He would run through okami mcdonald, starnes i wanna see mayhem/kampmann

anyone….
Filoh will be in the UFC within the year he has no comp in WEC, he is soo short though

Contrary to what alot of people think, this card is very weak in my opinion. This is the worst card since 72 which was worse than UFN 11.[/quote]

Chonan is fighting at 170.

Filho has no competition in the WEC?

JASON MAYHEM MILLER is his competition.

UFN 11 was actually an awesome card, and UFC 72 provided some awesome fights.

This card is not that weak. You have Vera/Slyvia, Franklin/Silva, Okami/MacDonald, Gurgel/Robinson Bonnar/Schafer (who alot of people are doubting) Maia/Jensen are going to be fun fights to watch.

Sorry guys, but it seems like if there is not a complete stacked card people whine and complain, and I am not calling anybody out, but this has potential to be a great card.

The worst card with some awful fights that I believe was probably UFC 67 Lutter/Silva. I mean Cote/Smith in the live card? That might be a worse fight than Koscheck/Sanchez

[quote post="3489"]UFN 11 was actually an awesome card, and UFC 72 provided some awesome fights.
This card is not that weak. You have Vera/Slyvia, Franklin/Silva, Okami/MacDonald, Gurgel/Robinson Bonnar/Schafer (who alot of people are doubting) Maia/Jensen are going to be fun fights to watch.
Sorry guys, but it seems like if there is not a complete stacked card people whine and complain, and I am not calling anybody out, but this has potential to be a great card.
The worst card with some awful fights that I believe was probably UFC 67 Lutter/Silva. I mean Cote/Smith in the live card? That might be a worse fight than Koscheck/Sanchez[/quote]

ya i was saying that UFN was better than the PPV. UFN 11 was sick. I just dont see the great interest in this card. I do think the Franklin/Silva fight will be very good but the rest are very suspect. The third best fight is not even officially televised yet (okami/mcdonald) I never look for the best names because some of my favorite fighters are not even in the UFC, I just invision some boring fights. and yes 67 was lousy.

Where is Martin Kampmann in all this middle-weight madness!? I know he got injured, but does anyone have an idea when he will return? And just for fun let’s get Drew Mcfedries back in there against someone, his knockouts are always solid!

Violent Mike-
“Thorazine, do you want to bet as well? Is this just a heads up bet, or are there odds attached.

“Because I’d even be willing to give you up to 50 – 1 odds. I’ll bet you $10. If he makes weight, you owe me $10, but if he doesn’t make weight, I owe you $500.”

-Glad to meet your aquaintence Violent Mike.. lol…whata ballsy bet! But I have to give Hoodlum the credit for saying Franklin wouldn’t make weight. Check out Hoodlums comment Oct 2nd. In my comment I was asking Hoodlum why he thought that?… Hoodlum may want your action.

[quote post="3489"]If they put boner ahead of okami/mcdonald I for one will not order. I mean I don’t like tuf and never will. So why should I pay when the televised portion includes tuf “dummies’
over more exciting fighters who were in pride, etc.
Just shows what a whore of an organiztion the ufc is! [/quote]
You must have missed the 2 tuf dummies, beat the number 1 and number 2 LHW’s at UFC 76.

[quote post="3489"]Glad to meet your aquaintence Violent Mike.. lol…whata ballsy bet! But I have to give Hoodlum the credit for saying Franklin wouldn’t make weight. Check out Hoodlums comment Oct 2nd. In my comment I was asking Hoodlum why he thought that?… Hoodlum may want your action. [/quote]

lol, sorry for misunderstanding. Maybe we can both get Hoodlum to field our bets?

[quote post="3489"]Violent mike is a genius. [/quote]

Thank you freestyle. But unfortunately, I’m not too familiar with you, so I don’t know if you are being serious, or if you are trying to be a dick for no reason? If its the first, then thanks again, but if its the latter of the two, please let me know so that…

My picks but before that I just want to say that I enjoy the ufc, Any of their cards some more than others yes but none the less all of them are good enough.
I’m a fan of the ufc and it’s fighters maybe it’s because I’ve trained and hope to compete that I dont have more bad thigs to say then good about every card.
I have an understanding and a respect for all the fighters
In short dont like it dont watch it
my picks
silva over franklin-1st rd ko
vera over sylvia-1st or 2nd rd ko
bonnar over schaffer
macdonald over okami
starnes over belcher
burkman over petz
gurgel over robinson
black over grice

jus checking something my comments seem to take forever to moderate

having issues posting usually it posts right away like it has already today but having an issue

Punctuation marks often make clusters of words much easier to read.

[quote comment="164426"]Other than watching the Truth and The Spida destroy….THIS IS SUCH A SHITTY ASS CARD!! Oh and I FUKIN HATE Stephan Bonnar!!![/quote]
i’m with you on this card as well as bonnar. bonner was given the decision over keith jardine.it was a fuckin bad decision and i’m still not over that one eh!

the only reason i’ll be getting this ppv is to see anderson silva beat the shit out of franklin! oh yeh, and i’m addicted to mma,and there’s no pride fc to watch.i’m also looking forward to seeing brandon vera who always brings excitement into the octagon. outside of that,and seeing bonner lose,there isn’t much i care about on this card. WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON UFC, you’ve got to be able to put on a better show than this eh!

[quote post="3489"]Neither Okami or Macdonald is anywhere near Sylva or Franklin. We need some 185 pounders bad.[/quote]
okami went three rounds with franklin, the only reason he lost was because he gave franklin too much respect. neither fighter looked impressive in that fight but im sure if they were to rematch okami would be more agressive, but then again so would franklin.

boycott this event nobody pay for this and maybe we will get the 5 fights on the main card like we use too 3 fights this really sucks

We all know the Okami MacDonald fight is gonna be televised!!!!! I still fink that its a more interesting fight than the Kalib Belcher. Both Okami n MacDonald are better skilled fighters. Still can’t wait to see it. Gonna bea good card. Defo lookin forward to the Truth’s return

Either way its not a bad card– Silva / Franklin should be interesting. Its going to go one of two ways, either Rich will come out and be able to execute the game plan he has and may catch Silva– Or Silva will totally dominate him again. I’ll be pulling for Rich, but I’m not willing to bet the baby’s milk money on it. If Rich and Finish it I’ll say it will be Ref Stoppage on the ground, I’m willing to bet you see Rich change it up and shoot for the Takedown in this fight.

Starns should put on a good show, his fights so far have been fun to watch.

Bonner is usually fun to watch, and he’s training with Randy, it will be interesting to see if it affects his fighting style.

Vera/Syliva- I’m one of the many that have a deep seated hatered for Tim, even though I can’t really put my finger on why I like to see the guy lose, I just do. So I’ll be pulling for Vera. I’d say Vera by TKO.

Mcdonald/Okami could be a really good fight in my book, I’d expect it to go straight to the ground and probably see some good back and forth. I’ll say Mcdonald by Decesion.

Why the hell isnt okami/mcdonald going to be televised? i swear man sometimes ufc execs. seem retarded..no one wants to watch bonnar/shafer or starnes/belcher..the undercard is better than the main card other than silva and vera bouts..they need to put the okami, burkman, and gurgel fight and fix the mess they have right now…

Here is a strategy for Rich.I think that Rich should come out first round and kick Silva square in the nuts.Once Silva is on queer street,Rich should clich him and drive Silva’s nose through the back of his head.Paybacks are a bitch.Just kidding!That would be some funny shit though.

mabuhay ang mga pinoy..sana manalo si vera..kaya mo yan!!!
tapusin mo yung kapre na yan!!!

I am on assignment for UFCMania, so I hope all of you pray like I do, that I will get service in the US Bank Arena, so we can get the undercard results to you.

[quote comment="185477"]mabuhay ang mga pinoy..sana manalo si vera..kaya mo yan!!!
tapusin mo yung kapre na yan!!![/quote]

Totoo pare!

Rich Franklin baby!! Here we go Ace, it’s game time.

rich is gonna get his ass kicked

MY PICKS

Anderson Silva – RD3 t.k.o (refree stoppage)
Brandon Vera – RD2 submission
Jorge Gurgel – decision
Stephan Bonnar – rd1 k.o
Kalib Starnes – rd2 k.o GO CANADA
Jason MacDonald – rd1 submission GO CANADA
Ryan Jensen – ?
Josh Burkman – ?
Jason Black – ?

If Franklin can take silva to the ground I think he could win…

I’m damn sure this is one of the weakest fight cards in a long time, that’s not to say they will be shit, but I think the ratings will suffer big time. GO ACE!!!!!

[quote comment="164001"]There’s no minimum for ppv fights. They will give us as few as we are wiling to pay for, so they can charge to watch the pre lims on demand. It seems like there used to be like 6 fights on a UFC ppv card. Eventually it will be 2 crappy fights and one main card ….just like boxing. freakin bastards. I love watching the pre fight hype crap over and over again for an hour while the prelims are going on. Then the 15 min stories behind the fights they play before the main cards, where pre lims could be showing. Then the stupid movie previews they play, where pre lims could be showing.[/quote]

What a great post! I was sitting on my computer last night and I did not want to miss the fight but had to get something done on line first. I could not believe how much I got done before the fight started. You could like wash your car in between fights. It is like they are training us like dogs to salivate a whole bunch before they throw us some scraps.

Predicitions

**UPSET** – Rich Franklin-via-UD
Tim Sylvia-via-tko-2nd
Stephan Bonnar-via-sub-1st
Jorge Gurgel-via-UD
Kalib Starnes-via-tko-2nd
Yushin okami-via-Split
Damien Maia-via-sub-1st
**UPSET** – Forrest Petz-via-tko-1st
Jason Black-via-sub-2nd

Rich Franklin-via-UD **upset**
Tim Sylvia-via-UD
Jorge Gurgel-via-UD
Stephan Bonnar-via-sub-1st
Kalib Starnes-via-tko-2nd
Yushin Okami-via-UD
Damien Maia-via-sub-1st
Forrest Petz-via-tko-1st
Jason Black-via-sub-2nd

My Picks…

Rich Franklin – split decision
Brandon Vera – unanimous decision
Jorge Gurgel – tko
Stephan Bonnar – tko
Josh Burkman – KO
Jason MacDonald – rd 1/2 submission
Ryan Jensen – tko
Jason Black – submission

—UPDATE—

Our man on the inside Mr. NC-17 gives the 1st rd to Jason Black 10-9 in what was a great round full of top notch submission attmpets

—UPDATE—–

Matt Grice vs Jason Black ends in a Draw!!!

29-28 Grice

29-28 Black

28-28 Even

—UPDATE—-

The draw ruling was OVERTURNED and Matt Grice wins via Split decision!!!

—UPDATE—

Josh Burkman defeats Forrest Petz via Unanimous Decision

—UPDATE—

Our man on the inside Mr. NC-17 says so far the Grice/Black fight is a serious candidate for fight of the night action was great and non-stop from start to finish.

Also word is Forrest Petz got Robbed, and that Burkman looked horrible the whole fight and was lucky to come away with the decision.

More Pre-lim updates will come as the night goes along.

—UPDATE—

Demian Maia defeats Ryan Jensen via Rear Naked Choke in Round 1

—UPDATE—

Yushin Okami defeats Jason MacDonald via Unanimous Decision

i knew maia was going to tap jensen

[quote comment="186140"]i knew maia was going to tap jensen[/quote]

Mr. NC-17 is at the event live and from what he told me Maia looked GREAT and dominated from start to finish.

[quote comment="163957"]Why would the belcher fight be above Okami-McDonald? The winner of that fight will probably have the next title fight.[/quote]
do they have oct 2 instead of oct 20th

its corrected on my end. sorry

how was the draw overturned

franklin’s gonna lose, silva is a strong feature freak with hand’s of speed & steel. But I would like to see franklin win.

—UPDATE—

Another tid bit of info for everyone, although Okami won the fight our man on the inside MR. NC-17 said is was an extremely boring fight basically classic Okami, so maybe the UFC knew what they were doing leaving it off the Main Card. From what I gather we did not miss much of anything in that fight.

[quote comment="186148"]how was the draw overturned[/quote]

one of the judges entered the scorecard wrong

burkman is probably drained frmo the xtra weight cut and coming in heavy

[quote comment="186155"][quote comment="186148"]how was the draw overturned[/quote]

one of the judges entered the scorecard wrong[/quote]
get used to it

[quote comment="185886"]I’m damn sure this is one of the weakest fight cards in a long time, that’s not to say they will be shit, but I think the ratings will suffer big time. GO ACE!!!!![/quote]
i think its a decent card. vera silvia franklin silva mcdonald starnes ect…

[quote comment="186171"][quote comment="185886"]I’m damn sure this is one of the weakest fight cards in a long time, that’s not to say they will be shit, but I think the ratings will suffer big time. GO ACE!!!!![/quote]
i think its a decent card. vera silvia franklin silva mcdonald starnes ect…[/quote]

I gotta agree, this is a pretty good card. 2 main events. The undercard is pretty weak though.

starnes is cut bad

Anyone seen the expression on Rich’s face prefight? Sitting at work wondering what frame of mind he seems to be in this time!

Any updates?

Does any one know where I can watch this free online

Belcher wins b/c of a severe cut on starnes head

[quote comment="186203"]Does any one know where I can watch this free online[/quote]

you can probably find the fights somewhere tomorrow but not right now

Yea, I didnt order the payper view because I thought it was weak too. I think they should have rich franklin and branden vera both kick the shit outta joe rogan, then I’ll pay 39.95

[quote comment="186203"]Does any one know where I can watch this free online[/quote]

tomarrow go on dailymotion.com

stephan bonnar wins via tko in the 2nd. early stoppage IMO

gurgel vs robinson is coming up

gurgel is dominating on the ground

Gonna go out on a limb and pick Franklin for the win Via 1st Round KO????

mania, josh burkman won by majority decision not unanimous, its on the ufcs website.

franklin’s gonna get whooped on unless he goes back to his old style of just kick’in ass. but theres too much publicity & stuff now, it’s all about lookin good & trainin less—just ask chuck liddell.

the robinson/gurgel fight is an awesome display of BJJ. robinson might get round 2 but it is very close so far

[quote comment="186232"]Gonna go out on a limb and pick Franklin for the win Via 1st Round KO????[/quote]

i dont think he will be very agressive in this fight so i doubt a first round ko but i do think he could win via dec. if he fights smart. if he rushes in he is going to be counting the ceiling lights

I reckon both Franklin and Vera are going to pull off spectacular knockouts tonight. Mark my words!!!!

I like both Franklin and Silva as fighters and reps for the sport, but look at Franklins face and look at Silvas, not many scars on Silva…………but ya never know. Franklin might just be the one to do it this time?

robinson fishes the second round strong by punishing gurgel with gNp

fight scoring- 1 round a-piece

gurgel needs to learn how to control the posture of his apponent while on his back

alvin wins via UD. in the third round robinson whooped gurgel

good card so far imo

vera vs sylvia is up next

[quote comment="186241"]I reckon both Franklin and Vera are going to pull off spectacular knockouts tonight. Mark my words!!!![/quote]
i think your wrong on both predictions, but i’d like to see rich win.

Come on Vera and Franklin!

—-UPDATE——

Brock Lesnar has Officially SIGNED WITH THE UFC

Thats right Maniacs “THAT” Brock Lesnar the guy who was in the WWE for a couple years. But this guy isnt some fake, he has 18yrs of amateur wrestling back round. He wrestled at the University of Minnesota which is a Collegiate Wrestling powerhouse. He also has been training for 2yrs in MMA. This should be an interesting addition to the heavyweight division.

vera and silva should and probably will win…

My reasoning is that last time Franklin just wasnt himself and was not 100% if you know what i mean and i also feel that he is bigger and stronger at the weight and just because he got wiped out last time doesent mean he will this time.

As for Vera vs Sylvia, I think that Sylvia has never faced any one of the same skill and size all put together in one fighter yet, and will be a bit taken aback at how he cant bully and dominate this one.

Vera is not going to win! dont kid yourself

[quote comment="186184"][quote comment="186171"][quote comment="185886"]I’m damn sure this is one of the weakest fight cards in a long time, that’s not to say they will be shit, but I think the ratings will suffer big time. GO ACE!!!!![/quote]
i think its a decent card. vera silvia franklin silva mcdonald starnes ect…[/quote]

I gotta agree, this is a pretty good card. 2 main events. The undercard is pretty weak though.[/quote]
where is a more quicker responding blog site?

[quote comment="186252"]vera vs sylvia is up next[/quote]
vera is gonna get destroyed. silvia knows the taste plus he’s tough. vera is tough but can’t taste it. and never will.

[quote comment="186270"]—-UPDATE——

Brock Lesnar has Officially SIGNED WITH THE UFC

Thats right Maniacs “THAT” Brock Lesnar the guy who was in the WWE for a couple years. But this guy isnt some fake, he has 18yrs of amateur wrestling back round. He wrestled at the University of Minnesota which is a Collegiate Wrestling powerhouse. He also has been training for 2yrs in MMA. This should be an interesting addition to the heavyweight division.[/quote]

WOW!! Not surprising really, the writing has been on the wall about this one for a while. I still think Brock is too green for the UFC. Too bad WEC doesn’t have a heavyweight division. With the right training camp Brock will be the new face of the heavyweight division in 3-5 years.

brock lesnar?

sweet

BROCK F***ING LESNAR is a ufc fighter now

who won the vera fight?

sylvia is bullying vera right now. vera is too small and could not get the takedown

Bet he f5’s all his opponents. Would be could if he could have a feud with Dana, then dana sets ‘the ministry’ consisting of Sylvia, Kongo and Arlovski on him in a 3 on 1 handicap match with the title on the line!!!!! Awesome!!!

lesnar is pretty athletic but he has a ways to go to be anything in the UFC. Not sayin it wont happen.

boring fight. its just a bunch of bear hugging and both are trying to use the clinch but both are unsuccesful

can you let me know who wins. what round is it in?

silvia : vera update please…

Vera needs this win to prove himself and Tim needs this win to keep his job. they better put on hell of a good fight.

vera scores a takedown but doesn’t mount any offence

vera is winning 2 rounds to none

vera is going to win this technicaly heheheh

come on vera, knock that raging sloth out!

that would be a funny fight vera couture

tim sylvia wins via UD all judges score the bout 29-28

So is Dana rushing Brock in because of Couture’s exit?

According to another site, Vera broke his hand. It’s not an excuse though. I’m not afraid to admit it when I’m wrong.

Franklin and silva are entering the octagon

Typical BORING Tim Sylvia fight!

Franklin comes in to “Welcome to the Jungle” the crowd is deafening! Ace looks pretty stoked.

did vera win?

So how does the HW picture look after tonight’s events?

Sylvia vs. Nog for the HW title
Gonzaga vs. Kongo (or AA, not even sure what’s going on with him)
Vera vs. Cro Cop (last chance match: Vera moves to LHW if he loses, CC retires if he loses)
Brock vs. ??? Monson? Werdum? Or do you give him an Eddie Sanchez-type fight to build up hype?

here we go!!!!!

sylvia wins via decision

they should put sylvia on th eundercards until he knocks someone out lol

vera lost

rich is looking good standing and on the ground.

Round 1
Franklin landed a left hand to start the main event. Silva clinched with Franklin and kneed the body and left leg. Franklin defended the clinch well and tripped Silva to the canvas, but the champion worked to his feet without any damage. A crushing spinning back kick landed for Silva. With his back to the fence, Franklin ate several hard punches. Rich recovered and landed a punch but Anderson answers with a right hand that drops Fraklin to the mat. 10-9 for Silva.

Dammmmmmmm Franklin gets another beating

it is over silva wins by tko

it is over silva wins by tko

lol franklin looks better but he is getting a stone cold beating!

LSU beats Auburn. This is why Silva will beat Franklin.

Rich Franklin has “NOT” worked on his wrestling game, LEARN WRESTLING TAKEDOWNS RICH!!!!… BEAR HUGS AND TRIP IN CLINCH… NOT THAT WEAK ASS OUTSIDE HEAD SINGLE LEG, SWITCH TO DOUBLE-TACKLE!!

DO YOU HEAR ME RICH!!!!

So, now Matt Hughes moves up to 185, right? Isn’t that what he said, that if Rich lost he was going to move up? PLEASE!!! PLEASE!!! MOVE UP!!! I’d love to see Hughes get the silva treatment.

I said this before, can Silva please learn some more english because he is going to be here for a while. There is NO 185lb fighter that can touch him.

Franklin gets his ass handed to him again. I almost thought this was the same fight as the first one. I dont think he should try a third fight with Anderson. Unless he wants his nose broken a third time.

Holy crap! It’s over! Silva by TKO?!?????!??!

Anderson wins at 1:09 in the 2nd via tko (knee)

BIG TIMMY looked as good as he gets… he really pushed the pace “experience” in the last round… I was wonder what was going on with Vera, he’d better have a broken hand otherwise I think he lacked maturity and maybe even heart.

Silva not only destroyed Rich, but the whole UFC MW division. Who the hell is gonna look like a legit contender against him? Certainly not Yushin Okami.

I’ve been the last idiot in the world who really believed Anderson Silva was beatable. And I believed, first fight notwitstanding, Rich Franklin was the man to do it.

Boy was I wrong. I couldn’t have been wronger if I said 1 1=3. Anderson Silva is the best pound for pound fighter in the world. Everybody else was seeing. Now, cheeks blushing from embarassment, I admit I was a fool for not seeing it earlier.

I’m still one of Rich’s biggest fans, but Silva is a man among boys. What an impressive performance.

Thanks for the updates….cable is out but thank god for internet.Silva is unreal. Rich is a great fighter but obvis not in same league

Dana needs to move Paulo Fihlo to the ufc. there isn’t a striker who can hang with anderson but maybe a good bjj or wrestler can. lutter was beating him until he tried a lame armbar and lutter was completely out of shape.

WOW!!! anderson silva is a freakin monster! i really thought that franklin was gonna take it to the distance! wow, i was so wrong! great display on behalf of bought fighters though. vera should move down a weight class.

Sucks to see Rich lose again he’s probably done. all well besides Silva and franklin the Division is weak and doesnt really interest me right now. Maybe if Hughes does move up i’ll care again. Theres guys that can beat Silva their just not in the right Division. If vera could fight at 205 easily i wonder if he could make 185. Its obvious he aint gonna hold the HW title so if he hopes to hold two titles he better start lookin down in weight classes. I didnt watch the fights but just hung out here and read the results. sounds like some lackluster fights with a few bright moments so all in all im not sad i didint watch it. Wanted to see Bonnar win so thats cool. Franklin needs to advance his game its clear he hasnt. Silva is good man i dont argue that but the weak 185 pound division makes him look untouchable doesnt it?

Vera Broke his hand in the first! He would of finished tim in the ground during the second round if it wasnt for his HAND!!

Thanks pple for letting me know who won the fight. I’m from Cincinnati and am out of town this weekend for work, while my hubby is watching the fight at US Bank Arena!
How sad, we still love Rich-He’s a westside boy!

I dont think anyone can possible take Silva right now except for maybe Hendo.

DANA GIVE US SILVA VS HENDO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ANDERSON SILVA hahahah and TIM SILVA are both awsome

Now that Randy is gone, they need to get VM on the air to predict the winner and commentate the main event. Look back at my predictions, I had the main event to a tee.

“However I do see him making it out of the first round in this fight, BUT BARELY. Look for Anderson to really turn it on and push the pace in the final 30 seconds of the first round and REALY ROCK Franklin… Look for Anderson to win via TKO early 2nd round.”

WORD!

Couple quick notes before calling it a night until Monday morning…

Vera sure did show us what the Truth is, and that’s that he is a puss. What was he doing? If you’re a fighter and you break your hand, you do not stop punching. Franklin used to break his hand every time out and he would continue to fight the way he intended to, and stuck with the gameplan. VERY dissapointed with Vera’s performance.

Then at the end of the main event, they say, ‘and now to some more MW action’, and I was like “Straight, they’re showing Okami/MacDonal. And what do we get, Demian Maia/Ryan Jenson. This is actually the undercard fight I jokingly predicted to be shown part way through the PPV. When they said ‘more MW action’ and showed the picture of the fighters, everyone at the house just stsrted laughing.

I am VERY upset with myself for not placing money on Anderson Silva yesterday. I would have been the 2nd easiest money I ever made. The easiest was betting my brother on Silva/Marquardt with only 2-1 odds. From here on out, Anderson Silva is money in the bank.

BROCK WRESTLED FOR EXC THAT MMA FIGHT ORGANIZATION THAT GOLDBERG OWNS. I SEEN HIM AND HE JUST PULVERIZED A GUY BRUTALLY THE OTHER GUY WAS BIGGER THAN BROCK TOO. BROCK WILL MOST LIKELY BE THE STRONGEST MAN IN THE UFC HES BUILT LIKE A STUMP AND HAS A GIANT NECK.

Anderson Silva is an absolute pleasure to watch. Talk about class and talent! I don’t understand why he doesn’t work on his English. Vera needs to drop to 205. Where does Franklin go from here? Silva and GSP somewhere down the road (if GSP moves up to 185 in a year or so) would be a dream matchup. Brock Lesnar should be interesting. The guy’s a monster and more decorated as a college wrestler than anyone in the UFC except for Koscheck.

Want to see Anderson Silva vs Thales Leites or Matt Lindland and see how good Anderson Silva really is at the ground game? His Standup is the best in the game.

Maybe even a match between Anderson Silva vs Cung Le would be awesome.

[quote post="3489"]Vera sure did show us what the Truth is, and that’s that he is a puss. What was he doing? If you’re a fighter and you break your hand, you do not stop punching. Franklin used to break his hand every time out and he would continue to fight the way he intended to, and stuck with the gameplan. VERY dissapointed with Vera’s performance.[/quote]

Yo its easy for you to say you keep punching when you break your hand but i bet you have never broke your hand before.

[quote comment="164255"]I’m not for certain if anyone brought this up yet or not, but Okami/McDonald will be televised. I am a taste bit disappointed that Mania is unaware of this. UFC PPVs have nine fights, five of which are televised, unless time allows for extra fights. At this particular moment there are only eight fights listed on the UFC website. As soon as the ninth fight is OFFICIALLY announced, we will then see that Okami/Mc is indeed a televised bout. Again, a website such as this which has been around for awhile should be a little more observant than that. Wake up![/quote]
WOW. where you at joe?

[quote comment="164156"]Hoodlum,
I have a pre-fight prediction for you guys. Franklin won’t make weight. Any takers?

Wellll, unless you know something we don’t I can’t see Franklin not making weight… why do you think that is more my question?

I’ll make a semi-prediction for the SlVA VS FRANKLIN… if Franklin is unrealistic and keeps this fight standing he will get knocked out!… If he’s realistic and fights more like a wrestler/jitsu Fighter, and respects Silva’s standup by taking it to the ground and ground and pound as often as he can, he’ll win by decision (it will be a boring fight though).

Now having said that, if Silva’s takedown defense is good enough and the fight is mostly standup, Silva, by knockout.

As for the rest of the cards I hope Vera Wins! I think he has the edge.

Except for the MacDonald VS Okami fight, this may be a UFC Event I’ll skip for once, something may be better on at the movies.[/quote]
I was there and have to agree that is the way it went down. Rich would have been far better of staying away from a stand up toe to toe fight. In the first round Rich looked a lot better early when he took Silva down with wrestling moves. Tough break for Rich.

Silva vs. Henderson would be awesome.

Props to Silva. He’s on an absolute roll right now, and has been untouchable. I think Hendo could take him, if they convince him to move down. 185 definitely needs some more fighters.

Franklin still doesn’t know how to deal with Silva’s MT clinch. Silva was fighting one-handed at times trying to get it, and Franklin still couldn’t take advantage. Franklin has to improve dramatically if he wants to stay in the ring with Silva.

Everybody boos Tim Sylvia, but has anybody in MMA ever gotten more out of less? He clearly beat Vera tonight. He’s beaten the UFC’s best HWs, and still he gets no respect. Well, you have mine, Tim. Sylvia will never be an exciting fighter who fights attractive to watch bouts, but the guy is a winning machine. If he really does go against Big Nog next, I wouldn’t bet against him.

Vera would be a force at 205. As a HW, he’s outclassed. Sylvia beats him 9 out of 10 fights.

Fans boo Sylvia when he mentions an injury after the Couture fight, yet I heard none when Vera went on about his hand. His hand didn’t look broken to me.

What a waste

[quote post="3489"]Everybody boos Tim Sylvia, but has anybody in MMA ever gotten more out of less? He clearly beat Vera tonight. He’s beaten the UFC’s best HWs, and still he gets no respect. Well, you have mine, Tim. Sylvia will never be an exciting fighter who fights attractive to watch bouts, but the guy is a winning machine. If he really does go against Big Nog next, I wouldn’t bet against him.[/quote]

Ok… i guess you like guys who dont care about giving the fans a good fight then

what a wasite this ufc 77 was!!!
and ufc 78 looks worse?
AND I LIVE IN NYC!!! CRAP DAOGS!!!!!!

[quote comment="186090"]—UPDATE—

Josh Burkman defeats Forrest Petz via Unanimous Decision[/quote]

As a fan of Burkmans I was heavily disapointed in this fight. IF you get to watch the prelims tomorrow, please check out that Black/Grice match. That bar none could be a fight of the year nomimation, also if you watch Burkman fight, you will tell after he tried a choke in round 1, he was completely burned out, and I think Petz should of won via Split decision. But a Unanimous decision for Burkman was odd. Burkman did catch Petz with a hook and knocked him out, but the ref did not stop it, and then Petz got his senses back, and Burkman would not finish the fight. AWFUL.

Maia did not completely dominate the whole round, Jensen actually seemed to defend his ground game for about, I dunno 45 seconds, then he got owned on the ground again.

Yushin Okami/Jason MacDonald, THANK GOD THIS FIGHT was not on right before the Slyvia/Vera fight, in all honestly you would of fell asleep.

I think that Yushin had one huge explosiveness attack in which I thought he was going to finish MacDonald in the third round I believe with punches in the mount position. Other than that, almost as bad as Koscheck/Sanchez.

I would talk more about it, but I am writing up my UFC 77 expierence, and you should see it on here, probably late tomorrow or monday, whenever Mania decides he wants it on the page still.

[quote comment="186471"]Want to see Anderson Silva vs Thales Leites or Matt Lindland and see how good Anderson Silva really is at the ground game? His Standup is the best in the game.

Maybe even a match between Anderson Silva vs Cung Le would be awesome.[/quote]

Thank you. I think Thales Leites needs to be considered.

I have a list of fighters who I think can beat Anderson, stayed tuned for that, you might just see it on this page as a column!

[quote comment="186475"][quote comment="164156"]Hoodlum,
I have a pre-fight prediction for you guys. Franklin won’t make weight. Any takers?

Wellll, unless you know something we don’t I can’t see Franklin not making weight… why do you think that is more my question?

I’ll make a semi-prediction for the SlVA VS FRANKLIN… if Franklin is unrealistic and keeps this fight standing he will get knocked out!… If he’s realistic and fights more like a wrestler/jitsu Fighter, and respects Silva’s standup by taking it to the ground and ground and pound as often as he can, he’ll win by decision (it will be a boring fight though).

Now having said that, if Silva’s takedown defense is good enough and the fight is mostly standup, Silva, by knockout.

As for the rest of the cards I hope Vera Wins! I think he has the edge.

Except for the MacDonald VS Okami fight, this may be a UFC Event I’ll skip for once, something may be better on at the movies.[/quote]
I was there and have to agree that is the way it went down. Rich would have been far better of staying away from a stand up toe to toe fight. In the first round Rich looked a lot better early when he took Silva down with wrestling moves. Tough break for Rich.[/quote]
[quote comment="186467"]BROCK WRESTLED FOR EXC THAT MMA FIGHT ORGANIZATION THAT GOLDBERG OWNS. I SEEN HIM AND HE JUST PULVERIZED A GUY BRUTALLY THE OTHER GUY WAS BIGGER THAN BROCK TOO. BROCK WILL MOST LIKELY BE THE STRONGEST MAN IN THE UFC HES BUILT LIKE A STUMP AND HAS A GIANT NECK.[/quote]
[quote comment="186499"]DANA WHITE SHOULD STILL BE FIRED LAST YEAR A TERRIBLE FIGHT CARD IN WHICH THERE WAS LITTLE COMPITITION SUCKED SUCKED AND THEY USE TO LET YOU WATCH EVERY FIGHT NOW FOR 40BUCKS I GOTTA PAY MORE TO SEE OKAMI AND MCDONALDS EAT A HAMBURGERLOR?!?!?! WTF??????!?!!??!

DANA WILL BE FIRED
IMAGINE IF FANS COULD VOTE ON WHO WE WANTED TO SEEE.??? MAYBE I’LL MAKE A LEAUGE LIKE THAT I PUT FIRHTS TOGETHER ONE EVERY MONTH BASED UPON WEB BASED VOTES AND PHONE CALLS OR TEXTS OR LETTERS LIKE A FUCKING ELECTION… WHY NOT HAVE A DEMOCRACY SOUNDS KEWL WISH THE US HAD ONE OH YEAH THE US IS A REPUBLIC.
BYE BYE DANA i’m BLOCKING YOU FROM CALLING ME … I KEEO TRASHING HIM AND HE CALLS ME AND SAYS ,
“BRENDAN, DO YOU WANNA SEE A FUKING!! LAWSUIT!?!?!??
I SAY to DANA WHITE HEAD NO HAIR WHITE,
“DANA, DO YOU WANNA BE THE Fuck-inG UFC’S PRESIDENT?
NO MATTER WHAT DUFUS SAY,
BRENDAN ,” WELL WE’;ll SEE HOW FAR BEHIND YOU ARE IN THE POLLS
THE UFC IS NOT A MONOPOLY, DANA THINKS MONOPOLY OIS A GAME?
DANA WATS T. I .T. =Total INformation Technology!!!!!!
AND WHILE DANA’s GOT ALL MMA FANS BY THE T. I . T.
I’ m NOT SUK-ING HIS BALLS
DANA AND UFC EMAIL ME FOR THE ELECTION
WHY CAN’t YOU PUT THIS ON UR WEBSITE ARE YOU TOO STUCK IN THE MONOPOLY THE UFC AND DANA HAVE
U HAVE MY EMAIL ADDRESS UFC MANIA? U CAN WRITE ME ANYTIME BUT WHY NOT?!?!?!??
THIS IS NOT A FAIRE WEBSITE , RIGHT SHERDOG?!??!!?!!?!?
HA![/quote]
[quote comment="186471"]Want to see Anderson Silva vs Thales Leites or Matt Lindland and see how good Anderson Silva really is at the ground game? His Standup is the best in the game.

Maybe even a match between Anderson Silva vs Cung Le would be awesome.[/quote]

[quote comment="164255"]I’m not for certain if anyone brought this up yet or not, but Okami/McDonald will be televised. I am a taste bit disappointed that Mania is unaware of this. UFC PPVs have nine fights, five of which are televised, unless time allows for extra fights. At this particular moment there are only eight fights listed on the UFC website. As soon as the ninth fight is OFFICIALLY announced, we will then see that Okami/Mc is indeed a televised bout. Again, a website such as this which has been around for awhile should be a little more observant than that. Wake up![/quote]

So what happened to MacDonald/Okami being televised there Mr. Wealth of Knowledge Joe???? Or did you crystal ball let you down. Most of the time you should want to be RIGHT if your going to criticize the work of others………..WAKE UP!!! hahahahaha

[quote post="3489"]Everybody boos Tim Sylvia, but has anybody in MMA ever gotten more[/quote]

Tim is a top mma fight er but… Steriods in the past and basically he fights like a big dumb guy. When he has to think or mix up his game plan he has no game plan.
ALso don’t some of you think that Forest should get a shot a Rampage as much as the winner of Evans Bisping ????

Christ… Franklin… ***NO WRESTLING*** in your camp! Bear hug trip in the clinch, quick double when the opportunity is there and what’s with that outside head weak single leg? switch to double tackle or lift!… ‘who the f**k is responsible for teaching you those takedowns?… freakin’ George?

I was worried after watching the UFC-77 countdown that Franklin had no wrestling in his camp and George G. in his corner… a dumb R. Franklin would prepare like that for Silva and smart Franklin wouldn’t…

Dumb Franklin showed up tonight… the only guy I can see with the ability and heart to employ this strategy is of course Hendo’… even then he could suffer a triangle fate if he’s not cautious. No body can stand up with Silva for long, he’s the best striker ever in MMA.

I picked Vera as a slight favorite… but I really liked Big Timmy’s highlights of his training camp and mentally I think he’s finding his game… his stamina looked great and the way he poured it on with nothing left in the tank is something he’s learned probably from Randy C. I don’t think Brandon is ready to feel pain and see his own blood… that takes mental maturity or street fighter mentality… he’s no street fighter.

Rich Franklin’s legacy that he worked so hard for to establish is all gone now. Anderson Silva made him look like trash. I picked Franklin to win cause I thought he would come out aggressive instead he came out very cautious & slow. Anderson Silva’s spinning back kick looked like it hurt Franklin bad…stunned him pretty good. That was the beginning of the end for Rich. So sad, cause I really like Franklin, but it looks like he will never beat Anderson Silva. The only way he’s getting that belt back is if Hendo or Matt Hughes decides to move to middle weight and maybe he could beat one of them. Yushin Okami and Robbie Lawler are probably the only middle weights, that are actually middle weights, capable of beating Silva, and Lawler isnt even in the UFC.

[quote comment="186518"]Rich Franklin’s legacy that he worked so hard for to establish is all gone now. Anderson Silva made him look like trash. I picked Franklin to win cause I thought he would come out aggressive instead he came out very cautious & slow. Anderson Silva’s spinning back kick looked like it hurt Franklin bad…stunned him pretty good. That was the beginning of the end for Rich. So sad, cause I really like Franklin, but it looks like he will never beat Anderson Silva. The only way he’s getting that belt back is if Hendo or Matt Hughes decides to move to middle weight and maybe he could beat one of them. Yushin Okami and Robbie Lawler are probably the only middle weights, that are actually middle weights, capable of beating Silva, and Lawler isnt even in the UFC.[/quote]

I can name 4 Middleweights right now that CAN BEAT ANDERSON SILVA.

I won’t name them because when I do this write up for UFC 77, I will have that in there.

I agree with you though, Anderson Silva has practically ruined the reputation of Rich Franklin.

Looks like Mr. Franklin didn’t train against that clinch as much as many of us would have liked. He always tries to back up in the clinch which is always a mistake…. oh well.

I was soooo disappointed in that fight, as well as Vera/Sylvia. Silvia’s size just seemed to wear Vera out. Vera did alright though for his first fight in a year, I have to give it to him for going 3.

[quote comment="186435"]I’ve been the last idiot in the world who really believed Anderson Silva was beatable. And I believed, first fight notwitstanding, Rich Franklin was the man to do it.

Boy was I wrong. I couldn’t have been wronger if I said 1 1=3. Anderson Silva is the best pound for pound fighter in the world. Everybody else was seeing. Now, cheeks blushing from embarassment, I admit I was a fool for not seeing it earlier.

I’m still one of Rich’s biggest fans, but Silva is a man among boys. What an impressive performance.[/quote]

Hey, don’t feel bad.. I made some comments that if Rich was smart and worked hard on his wrestling and employed that in clinch tatics he could make it a GnP win by decision…. Rich obviously doesn’t have the brains to figure out he needs intensive training in his wrestling takedowns…. and he’s not going to get that in his camp… I also said if he was dumb and kept it standing I would watch him get Ko’d with the rest of the guys… hence the dumb Frankling showed up… I like Rich, but I hate a dumb fight plan, especially from a fighter with so much talent… If he spent 4 mths in Extreme Couture’s gym or somewhere to work on the clinch and takedwons, he had a chance to beat Silva on the ground… trust me, he had zero wrestling work.

Rich should move back up to LHW. There’s a lot of tough fights at LHW, but no Anderson Silva’s.

You can watch the Franklin vs Silva fight here!

http://www.mmalinker.com/index.php?t=m&link=http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/0t42RU3PuaI/&title=Rich Franklin vs. Anderson Silva II

[quote comment="186461"]Now that Randy is gone, they need to get VM on the air to predict the winner and commentate the main event. Look back at my predictions, I had the main event to a tee.

“However I do see him making it out of the first round in this fight, BUT BARELY. Look for Anderson to really turn it on and push the pace in the final 30 seconds of the first round and REALY ROCK Franklin… Look for Anderson to win via TKO early 2nd round.”

WORD!

Couple quick notes before calling it a night until Monday morning…

Vera sure did show us what the Truth is, and that’s that he is a puss. What was he doing? If you’re a fighter and you break your hand, you do not stop punching. Franklin used to break his hand every time out and he would continue to fight the way he intended to, and stuck with the gameplan. VERY dissapointed with Vera’s performance.

Then at the end of the main event, they say, ‘and now to some more MW action’, and I was like “Straight, they’re showing Okami/MacDonal. And what do we get, Demian Maia/Ryan Jenson. This is actually the undercard fight I jokingly predicted to be shown part way through the PPV. When they said ‘more MW action’ and showed the picture of the fighters, everyone at the house just stsrted laughing.

I am VERY upset with myself for not placing money on Anderson Silva yesterday. I would have been the 2nd easiest money I ever made. The easiest was betting my brother on Silva/Marquardt with only 2-1 odds. From here on out, Anderson Silva is money in the bank.[/quote]

Good work VM nice calls, “The dumb Rich showed up tonight, bad game plan, zero wrestling improvement very telling in the way he handle the clinches.

Now Big Tim is really gaining a mental edge and experience over his under experienced opponents. Vera, does not have a natural street fighter’s mentality, he need to learn the hard way, what it takes to win a grueling fight in the cage.

Sorry to hear about the bet… yeah’ it would have been damn easy money!

Spiderman, Spiderman,
Does whatever a spider can.
Spins a web, any size,
Catches thieves just like flies.
Look out! Here comes the Spiderman.

Is he strong? Listen bud—
He’s got radioactive blood.
Can he swing from a thread?
Take a look overhead.
Hey there! There goes the Spiderman.

In the chill of the night,
At the scene of the crime,
Like a streak of light,
He arrives just in time!

Spiderman, Spiderman,
Friendly neighborhood Spiderman.
Wealth and fame, he’s ignored—
Action is his reward.
To him,
Life is a great big bang-up—
Wherever there’s a hang-up,
You’ll find the Spiderman!

Damn could everyone see Franklins face after the spin kick, then when he was trying to hit Silva, and Silva danced around bobbing and weaving no hands, Muhamed Ali style, that was the when Rich lost he fight officially. You cold see everything change. It looked exactly like the same fight. He could not even sit on his stool in the corner, I do not even know why they sent him out there. ?he dropped like a marionette getting his strings cut at the end of the first. I can not believe anyone bets against Silva. Rich was a paper champ no real wins as a title holder or to get that belt. If henderson does not drop in weight, Silva has absolutely nobody to fight worthwhile. I wonder if he could get down to the 170 mark well.
Big UP Silva\\

a d Sylvia

I’d love to see Shogun drop to 185 and take on Silva

okami may be big and strong, but he hits like a girl. I doubt he will ever finish a fight. ever. Did some one say robbie lawler would beat silva? I don’t think I can come up with an intelligent response to that… and to put it simply, if tim sylvia was not 6′8, he would have a losing record. I have no problem with anderson silva, he actually promotes respect which I think should be rewarded in this sport, and this country.

[quote comment="163988"]why the fuck is starnes and blecher on the main card????????
LOL.

that is lame!!!!!

i understsnd bonner.. because he is ac rwod favrotie.

UFC marketing stucks.[/quote]

[quote comment="186523"][quote comment="186518"]Rich Franklin’s legacy that he worked so hard for to establish is all gone now. Anderson Silva made him look like trash. I picked Franklin to win cause I thought he would come out aggressive instead he came out very cautious & slow. Anderson Silva’s spinning back kick looked like it hurt Franklin bad…stunned him pretty good. That was the beginning of the end for Rich. So sad, cause I really like Franklin, but it looks like he will never beat Anderson Silva. The only way he’s getting that belt back is if Hendo or Matt Hughes decides to move to middle weight and maybe he could beat one of them. Yushin Okami and Robbie Lawler are probably the only middle weights, that are actually middle weights, capable of beating Silva, and Lawler isnt even in the UFC.[/quote]

I can name 4 Middleweights right now that CAN BEAT ANDERSON SILVA.

I won’t name them because when I do this write up for UFC 77, I will have that in there.

I agree with you though, Anderson Silva has practically ruined the reputation of Rich Franklin.[/quote]

So name them!!!

I’m thinking one of them is Lindland another Henderson then… Filho and Kang talk to me here!

[quote comment="186270"]—-UPDATE——

Brock Lesnar has Officially SIGNED WITH THE UFC

Thats right Maniacs “THAT” Brock Lesnar the guy who was in the WWE for a couple years. But this guy isnt some fake, he has 18yrs of amateur wrestling back round. He wrestled at the University of Minnesota which is a Collegiate Wrestling powerhouse. He also has been training for 2yrs in MMA. This should be an interesting addition to the heavyweight division.[/quote]

thats right, brock lesnar is gonna be sick, he’s an animal, he was looking at the sylvia/vera fight like are you kidding me? i will kill these little fucks!!!

Sylvia is a BITCH!!! It wasn’t a good performance by Sylvia but a bad performance by Vera. He broke his hand and any time they would seperate Vere would cover up and lean into Tim to try an clinch up, asking Sylvia to box his head in. So thats what he did nothing special, Sylvia has nothing but his size. I can’t wait till this guy gets KTFO!!!

[quote comment="186536"]Rich should move back up to LHW. There’s a lot of tough fights at LHW, but no Anderson Silva’s.[/quote]
I agree Rich is still a great fighter, but there is no reason to stay in middleweight while Silva is still there. Would be ineteresting to see him match up with Jardine or Forrest.

Unless some LHWs drop down, Silva is going to be sitting on top for a while. imho, Franklin was the only one in the 185 capable of dethroning him.

I can name 4 Middleweights right now that CAN BEAT ANDERSON SILVA.

I won’t name them because when I do this write up for UFC 77, I will have that in there.

I agree with you though, Anderson Silva has practically ruined the reputation of Rich Franklin.[/quote]

kang no
filho maybe but no
hendo getting old to make 185… he could
lindland no effin way at 185

Wow. Where are all the Vera fanatics now? Tim Sylvia should be devastated by knee and kicks at this point. Next time you jump on somebody’s bandwagon, make sure they actually belong in that weight class.

[quote comment="186583"]I can name 4 Middleweights right now that CAN BEAT ANDERSON SILVA.

I won’t name them because when I do this write up for UFC 77, I will have that in there.

I agree with you though, Anderson Silva has practically ruined the reputation of Rich Franklin.[/quote]

kang no
filho maybe but no
hendo getting old to make 185… he could
lindland no effin way at 185[/quote]

I agree with the first two but Henderson and Lindland both have a great chance at beating Silva. They are both really strong wrestlers and that is Silvas weakness. I love Silva but it would be interesting to see.

I know im not the only one who noticed Rich F looking at the big screen alot more than usual. and having that look on his face like what the F*@k am I doing here here we go again.

That was bad for rich I was happy that silvas knee missed rich’s nose because that would have been awful.

[quote comment="186518"]Rich Franklin’s legacy that he worked so hard for to establish is all gone now. Anderson Silva made him look like trash. I picked Franklin to win cause I thought he would come out aggressive instead he came out very cautious & slow. Anderson Silva’s spinning back kick looked like it hurt Franklin bad…stunned him pretty good. That was the beginning of the end for Rich. So sad, cause I really like Franklin, but it looks like he will never beat Anderson Silva. The only way he’s getting that belt back is if Hendo or Matt Hughes decides to move to middle weight and maybe he could beat one of them. Yushin Okami and Robbie Lawler are probably the only middle weights, that are actually middle weights, capable of beating Silva, and Lawler isnt even in the UFC.[/quote]

I picked Silva to win this one, but I didn’t expect it to as one-sided as the first. This time around it looked almost as if Silva was out to humiliate Rich, not just defeat him. This is most evident when Silva completely evades a furious flurry of Franklin’s strikes, with a perceptable grin on his face! And only after adding some flashy strikes to the highlight reel did Silva move in to finish Rich.

Silva’s incredible skill and his calculated demeanor of exaggerated humility should make him one of the UFC’s most favorite champions.

I’d like to thank all the people who guaranteed I’d lose money if I bet on Silvia. Because of hype from internet know-it-alls like you, the fighter who I thought should be the slight favorite was a 1.7-1 underdog, and I made 340 bucks.

yo dudes… silva wrecked franklin… there’s not much competish left in the UFC… they NEED to bring JOE “DIESEL” RIGGS back… he would SQUASH silva like a bug under a brazilian rug

Silva is a monster. I don’t think anyone can stop him. Franklin and Silva were such class acts, it was impressive. Vera/Sylvia was a disappointment. I thought that it would be a lot more exciting. I knew something was wrong with Vera even when they were taping his hand up and when he was walking into the arena. He looked apprehensive, lacking in confidence. Vera didn’t listen to his corner at all, I know he said his hand is broken but kicks would have helped his cause. I love his attitude though. Still a Vera fan… Like the rest of you I am befuddled as to why MacDonald/Okami was not televised but I was subjected to Maia and Jensen for f&*% sake…

geez, silva is my favorite fighter, but deep down i wanted to see rich pull off the upset. im still not sure why rich didnt develop and execute a gameplan of takedown, then ground and pound with submission defense. besides that, a lucky punch that was his best chance.

well thats it for the middle weight division for now. im so ready for henderson and shogun to drop weight and challenge silva. i think franklin should stay at middle weight and work on his game. he has a better chance at regaining the middle weight title than of capturing the light heavyweight title. that is the most stacked division by far.

sylvia looked ok tonight. vera looked bad. the broken hand seemed to take his head out of the fight. even with a broken hand he should have taken sylvia down a lot more. he was a lot faster than sylvia. if you rewatch he had soo many opportunities for a single or double leg takedown. oh well, he is still young.

cant wait to see brock, i think he will be really good. i smell what the bROCK is cookin!!! or whatever

So I charge the measley $2 on UFC Demand after watching the entire PPV to attempt to watch Okami-McDonald only to have the fight “unavailble” on-line after several attempts. So again, why are these undercards not available to those who want to watch the entire f*cking card? For $50 why can’t the entire effing card be available to those who want to see it? And I wondered why Okaimi-McDonald wasn’t on the PPV and I’ve yet to hear a response that makes any effing sense.

Rich has some hard decision to make, but he was treated with the utmost respect. If he is going to go drop down a weight class, it’s the best he can hope for at this point

[quote comment="186458"]I dont think anyone can possible take Silva right now except for maybe Hendo.

DANA GIVE US SILVA VS HENDO!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/quote]

I think we’re all with you on that one. I thought Franklin would pull it off but wow, he is just too good.

It was such a stretch to pick Silva in the second. I’m far from the best at guessing who’s going to win the their fights, but Silva in the second and Sylvia UD were the easiest to pick in this event.

maybe I’m stupid, but I’d like to see silva vs gsp.

I’m wondering what Franklin’s gameplan was in this one? “Take all the same knees and fists to the face as the last one, but try and avoid them landing directly on the nose and see if that changes anything?”
I feel so bad for him. You know that he trained so hard for this fight, that he thought atleast he’d be able to go the distance. He probably deserves better, his work ethic and love of the sport etc, but then he goes up against Silva and comes to the stunning conclusion that he’s just never going to be good enough to compete with such a natural bad-ass. A word about Silva…
I don’t think he’s human. His muscle tissue is soft like an animals and when he moves around he seems to float almost effortlessly. When he strikes he so rarely misses, and his instincts are so perfect that he never misses an opportunity. Every time he throws a punch or knee it packs so much zip. I wonder if it’s possible that Blanka or a panther or monkey is in his family line? He moves around like it.

I also picked Sylvia to win this. Too bad it was so boring, but he went in so focused. He totally knew what he had to do to win, he wanted it etc. Vera seemed a little bit full of himself trying to hide his nervousness. I don’t think he knew what he was getting into. He’ll be great, and this will be a good learning experience for him.

I also think the Okami McDonald fight should have been broadcast. Starnes and Belcher was predicted to be a good fight, and it was an awesome fight that unfortunately was stopped due to a cut. They put the submission of the night at the end of the broadcast. Gurgel fight was on the main card purely because the fight was in Cinncinnati, but I think they should have put the Okami fight on instead of the Gurgel fight because of the future potential title implications (even if it would have been slightly boring).

so its going to be yushin okami vs Anderson silva. remember this isn’t the first time they fought. when they fought first time yushin okami won because anderson kicked him while okami was on his knee.
watch this http://youtube.com/watch?v=1LhQmCJbVB0

[quote comment="186583"]I can name 4 Middleweights right now that CAN BEAT ANDERSON SILVA.

I won’t name them because when I do this write up for UFC 77, I will have that in there.

I agree with you though, Anderson Silva has practically ruined the reputation of Rich Franklin.[/quote]

kang no
filho maybe but no
hendo getting old to make 185… he could
lindland no effin way at 185[/quote]

I believe that Denis Kang would beat Anderson Silva. He is a huge, explosive MW and very good on the feet or on the ground. Why, oh why did he sign with K-1?! Hendo is the only UFC MW who I believe poses a legitimate threat to Silva. Christ, the Spider is good. He shrugs off direct hits to the noggin as if they were slaps from a drunken girlfriend.

I feel very bad for Rich Franklin. He’s a good guy but as long as Silva holds the belt, Franklin’s dominance is long gone. He can put up great fights against just about any other MW, but against Silva he just seems at a loss. It really is too bad he lost tonight. Tonight’s loss shifts the balance of talent in the UFC MW division all toward the champ without any man who seems able to beat him. The whole remaining MW division has pretty much turned into a huge bowl of chum for Silva to feed on.

[quote comment="186791"][quote comment="186583"]The whole remaining MW division has pretty much turned into a huge bowl of chum for Silva to feed on.[/quote]

Aren’t you glad I put an “h” in “chum”?

certainly agree wiv violent mike betting on silva is very easy money. I like franklin but u gotta say that this was a no brainer.silva reminds me ov a fighter from a van damme film who only gets beat wen someone special comes along! saying that the ufc isnt exactly hollywood is it?

I believe there is nobody in the mw division that can beat silva right now! Silva is a beast!!,I agree with all of you that say hendo has to drop down to fight silva ,but I think that he doesn’t want to right now because, he wants a rematch with rampage. Well see!

All these guys that say that Anderson Silva is beatable are correct. And I only say that because ANYONE is beatable in the UFC.

But will Anderson Silva be defeated? Answer: No

Nate Marquardt – Big huge middle weight. King of Pancrase. Veteran tough fighter. Hard hitter. Great on the ground. International experience. — Anderson Silva made Marquardt look like a little girl. He out striked Marquardt and pounded out the TKO.

Rich Franklin ver 2.0 – Everyone said Rich is bigger, stronger, and will be prepared for the rematch versus the Franklin we say in the first encounter — Anderson Silve made quick work of him AGAIN.

Denis Kang – Big guy. Tons of experience. Pride veteran. Hard hitter. Agressive. International experience. — I’ve seen a lot of Denis (one n in the name) Kangs fights. He’s a bad ass dude. But no where near the clean striking arsenal of Anderson Silva. Kang isn’t a precision striker. He’s a banger, much like Nate Marquardt. I would think Kang’s lack of octagon experience would leave a result similar to Nate Marquardt.

Okami – Big. Strong. Holds a win over Silva — Get over it. It was a DQ high head kick to a guy that was semi mounted on Anderson Silva with one knee down. This is one fighter Silva has been on the record that he wants redemption BAD. I think Silva would destroy Okami.

Henderson – Great ground game. Strong puncher. Great wrestler. Limitless gas in the tank. — Silva isn’t Wandy. Wandy doesn’t bob and move. Wandy doesn’t double up leg kicks with jabs and elbows. Wandy doesn’t have Anderson’s BJJ game. Silva would surgically dismantle Henderson with his striking. And if it lead to a ground game, Silva would use his superior BJJ to advance.

Paulo Filho – Strong. Undefeated. Great wrestler. Great BJJ. Great striking – Unfortunately, he has one fight in the WEC cage and has not even come near fighting the level of competition of Anderson Silva. If they were to fight now, I think Silva would destroy Filho the same way he took out Nate Marquardt. I just don’t see the crispness in Filho’s stand up that could compete with Silva’s. In a few years, perhaps Filho will be a champion. But that would be against an aged and declining Silva. Not an Anderson Silva in his prime.

Ryo Chonan – Flying scissor heal hook? It was a brilliant finishing move. But guys, the fight took place in Pride nearly 4 years ago!!!! Get over it!!! Don’t you think a guy can improve his fight game in 4 years? Hell, in the last year we’ve seen an nearly invincible Chuck Liddell lose 2 straight. Chonan is now fighting in the UFC against Karo Parysian at 170lbs on the Validation Card. Would you really put your money on a Chonan that has to bulk up to 185lbs, consequently lossing some of his speed, against a prime Anderson Silva?

Honestly….unless due to decline because of his age, I see Anderson Silva quite possibly retire with the belt.

[quote comment="186583"]I can name 4 Middleweights right now that CAN BEAT ANDERSON SILVA.

I agree with you though, Anderson Silva has practically ruined the reputation of Rich Franklin.[/quote]
Being second best to Silva is still pretty good. This is going to be a problem now where Franklin will be permanently stuck at #2 and maybe nobody can beat him to get to Silva. Like Rogaine said last night “uhh… who’s next?”. Not too many hands are going up at this point.

Tim Sylvia may have fought a boring fight last night but he pounded Vera pretty good. Vera looked like he had sh$t himself on the way out of the tunnel but I wasn’t sure if he was just acting scared or really was. He seemed to really have some butterflies. Sylvia just sort of let Vera dictate the action. Vera won the second round but the third round was almost 10-8 Sylvia. I think one or two judges scored it 29-27 which means it WAS 10-8 in the third.

People hate on Sylvia but he looks like he is back in top form and now that he has this fight behind him, heads should roll.

Vera doesn’t lose a whole lot in my book but he really should consider dropping down if he can.

Well the Anderson Silva fight was excellent, some of the moments in the fight looked identical to their first fight mainly that look of terror in franklins face when in andersons clinch.
Anderson is awesome to watch and who’s next-watch out.
AS for Vera that’s too bad I was going for him but the big man was too much for Vera but a good fight for the most part and vera showed great sportsmanship after the decision, I’m sure he’ll be back but I’m not a fan of sylvia in any way so if nogueria is next in line go nog.
Bonnar by gnp not a surprise at all underestimated eric in the first rd but made him pay in the 2nd-bonnar working his way back into the lhw division mix.
And dissapointed to hear macdonald lost .
Looking forward to 78 now.

THE hitman will do it he will whack the spider.

Nice,

I actually got 112th place on UFC Fantasy out of a few thousand. Not bad, but I didn’t win. The main event result sucks becuase I called Silva TKO in the 2nd minute of the second round. The UFC has it as the first minute of the second round which is WRONG! It ended at 1:07 which is the second minute you idiots!

Not that it would have mattered, I still would have lost. The winner gets a poster signed by all the fighters at 77 plus a phone call from Dana. If I won I was going to ask everyone here to post some questions for me to ask.

[quote post="3489"]I called Silva TKO in the 2nd minute of the second round. The UFC has it as the first minute of the second round which is WRONG! It ended at 1:07 which is the second minute you idiots! [/quote]

i called the exact same and was pissed off!. i would have got top20 if i got that one!

Sylvia is being hated on for last nights fight, yet he was toying with Vera. It may not have been a highlight reel finish but he did what ever he wanted with Vera. Vera went for takedowns Sylvia stuffed him in the corner and did not let him do anything. Then Vera finally got him to teh ground nothing. Vera May have taken the second with the little flury that he got at the end of the round. Then in the 3rd he put some distance between him and Vera and opened up on him. He dropped such a great combo of jabs, knees, and elbows. It was a a very good performance on Slyvia, nothis best but good….

One word: Rush. Someone on here said that Matt Hughes should move up. All things considered, Hughes would probably get KO’d, unless he brought up the old, explosive takedown package with him. Bottom line, it’d be just another win for Silva. Now, with GSP, it would be a more interesting of a fight. Rush is kind of like the Anderson Silva of the welterweight division. GSP is already huge at 170, so why not? Oh yeah, and at least Rich made it to round 2. It was Anderson’s longest fight in the UFC…

I’m thinking Rich should move up to lhw it is said that he walks around and trains at about 220 might not be a bad idea if he ever wants to be a champion again or at least have a chance at winning a title.

Do yall think that silva could move up light heavy weight and do some damage.

Rampage would destory Franklin at 205.

Anderson Silva is amazing. He reminds me of that black african crazy dude in the movie Bloodsport- hopping and boucning around like an animal. Everyone talks about fighters gaining or dropping weight to fight Anderson Silva but what if Anderson went to 205- he would beat Liddel easily, Vanderlai would get detroyed, he would destroy Forrest Griffin, the only fighter I see beating Anderson Silva would be Rampage or Dan Henderson. Anderson Silva by far the greatest fighter on the planet right now. Anderson Silva would also destroy Matt Hughes and GSP- easily.

How about that time with the hands down punch defense by Silva? Holy shit that was crazy…

What about the now vacant UFC Heavyweight title? Does Dana plan on moving to fill that spot? If so who will be going against Tim Sylvia? I think a Sylvia – Cro-Cop match would work well, but like Rich Franklin, Mirko Cro-Cop has some issues to work out. How about Big Nog? There’s some potential in this weight catagory even if the MW’s seem dead.

Silva looked like a machine. Sylvia bored the crap out of me.

Lets examine the middleweight division to find who could beat silva:

the top 15 IMO CHAMPION – Anderson Sliva – CHAMPION

1 dan henderson – NON 185
2 paulo filho – NON UFC
3 matt linland – NON UFC
4 rich franklin – just got owned by silva twice
5 yushin okami – already got ko’ed by silva.
6 nate marquardt – already ko’ed by silva
7 denis kang – NON UFC
8 martin Kampmann – recovering from injury, with more fights he may fight silva
9 trevor prangley – NON UFC
10 robbie lawler – NON UFC
11 jason macdonald – too low in ufc order to get a shot.
12 frank shamrock – NON UFC
13 chris leben – already got ko’ed by silva
14 thales leites – lost to kampmann, too low in order to fight silva
15 frank trigg – NON UFC
of fighters there who are fighting in the ufc at 185

okami, kampmann, macdonald, leites are the only ones who are in contention against anderson silva, even though okami got knocked out he got the dq win so the ufc will probably hype that.

the next fight for silva is okami if okami gets another win. mark my words and hardcore nerdiness.

BTW I JUST MADE 1125 DOLLARS ON SYLVIA, AND DATS DA “TRUTH” lol

[quote comment="187148"]Lets examine the middleweight division to find who could beat silva:

the top 15 IMO

CHAMPION – Anderson Sliva – CHAMPION

1 dan henderson – NON 185
2 paulo filho – NON UFC
3 matt linland – NON UFC
4 rich franklin – just got owned by silva twice
5 yushin okami – already got ko’ed by silva.
.[/quote]
Since Zuffa bought out the WEC also, I don’t see anything keeping their champion from taking on Silva. I’m not saying he’ll stand much of a chance though. I’d much rather see “Ruthless” Robbie hammer down against Silva anyday.

well where does franklin go from here? if he moves up to lhw he wont last ten minutes. think he shud take time out to think about always liked rich but last nite he deserved a beatin for been a thick f!CKER IN THINKIN HE HAD A CHANCE!also evans or bisping to fight rampage for lhw title… tell us a joke that will make us laugh dana…please

Wow, what a great card that was! Can anyone stop Anderson Silva? I am so dissapointed with Brandon Vera, I was really hoping he would be able to win this!

I think Bisping still needs to fight Matt Hamel and get a legitimate win over him. In their last fight, Hamel was robbed! I don’t think anyone thought Bisping won except their own local judges, who obviously favored their own local hero.

Here’s a thought: can Rich lose some muscle and move down to WW? As we’ve seen with Anderson, you don’t really need a lot of muscle in MMA. MMA strength is different. Guys like BJ and Karo have MMA strength, yet are not very muscular. I’d pay to see Franklin vs. GSP.

anyone know the payouts? Interested to see Silva’s purse.

Anderson Silva is the best p4p fighter in the world!!!!!
Let’s look at his accomplishments in the ufc one more time:
He’s ktfod the guy with the iron chin (chris leben)
He out muscled one of the strongest guys in the division and out striked one of the best strikers in the division not once but twice (franklin)
He out grappled the world class grappler (lutter)
He out wrestled the wrestler (Marquardt)

What more does he have to do to dethrone an inactive fedor?

[quote comment="187174"]I think Bisping still needs to fight Matt Hamel and get a legitimate win over him. In their last fight, Hamel was robbed! I don’t think anyone thought Bisping won except their own local judges, who obviously favored their own local hero.[/quote]
well laz i been a british lad shud disagree but hamill woz stung BADLY but if you actually knew anything worth knowing bout ufc you would know that the one british judge gave it to hamill and the two american judges gave it to bisping sorry mate!

[quote comment="187163"][quote comment="187148"]Lets examine the middleweight division to find who could beat silva:

the top 15 IMO

CHAMPION – Anderson Sliva – CHAMPION

1 dan henderson – NON 185
2 paulo filho – NON UFC
3 matt linland – NON UFC
4 rich franklin – just got owned by silva twice
5 yushin okami – already got ko’ed by silva.
.[/quote]
Since Zuffa bought out the WEC also, I don’t see anything keeping their champion from taking on Silva. I’m not saying he’ll stand much of a chance though. I’d much rather see “Ruthless” Robbie hammer down against Silva anyday.[/quote]

paulo filo fights for wec and the ufc owns the wec. so they could call him up at any time

[quote comment="186424"]Rich Franklin has “NOT” worked on his wrestling game, LEARN WRESTLING TAKEDOWNS RICH!!!!… BEAR HUGS AND TRIP IN CLINCH… NOT THAT WEAK ASS OUTSIDE HEAD SINGLE LEG, SWITCH TO DOUBLE-TACKLE!!

DO YOU HEAR ME RICH!!!![/quote]

you obviously did not see the fight. he took silva down in the first minuet

Silva would destroy Filho anyway… Henderson or Frank Shamrock have the best chance in my opinion- Hendo because of great wrestling and Shamrock because of experience and great submissions

[quote comment="187315"][quote comment="187163"][quote comment="187148"]Lets examine the middleweight division to find who could beat silva:

the top 15 IMO

CHAMPION – Anderson Sliva – CHAMPION

1 dan henderson – NON 185
2 paulo filho – NON UFC
3 matt linland – NON UFC
4 rich franklin – just got owned by silva twice
5 yushin okami – already got ko’ed by silva.
.[/quote]
Since Zuffa bought out the WEC also, I don’t see anything keeping their champion from taking on Silva. I’m not saying he’ll stand much of a chance though. I’d much rather see “Ruthless” Robbie hammer down against Silva anyday.[/quote]

paulo filo fights for wec and the ufc owns the wec. so they could call him up at any time[/quote]

Okami did not get KO’ed by Silva. Silva hit him with an illegal blow (kick to the head while he was down) and was DQed because Okami couldn’t continue to fight so he actually has a win over Silva.

I like Filho coming in 15-0 in mma .
also check out a fighter by the name of blas avena wec middleweight I saw his last 2 fights one minute and 30 seconds of fighting in total both submission wins.
Fights relentless.

[quote comment="187176"]Here’s a thought: can Rich lose some muscle and move down to WW? As we’ve seen with Anderson, you don’t really need a lot of muscle in MMA. MMA strength is different. Guys like BJ and Karo have MMA strength, yet are not very muscular. I’d pay to see Franklin vs. GSP.[/quote]
R u serious? Rich used to fight at 205 he’s an enomous 185er. No way he could make WW. Moving back to LHW is much more realistic.

[quote comment="187143"]What about the now vacant UFC Heavyweight title? Does Dana plan on moving to fill that spot? If so who will be going against Tim Sylvia? I think a Sylvia – Cro-Cop match would work well, but like Rich Franklin, Mirko Cro-Cop has some issues to work out. How about Big Nog? There’s some potential in this weight catagory even if the MW’s seem dead.[/quote]
R u serious? You think Cro-Cop deserves a title shot? He just lost two straight fights and he deserves a title shot? Not sue what your smoking. I believe they’ve already said winner of Sylvia Vera was gonna get Big Nog fo the vacant heavyweight title but Cro Cop is no where near the mix right now.

[quote comment="187310"][quote comment="187174"]I think Bisping still needs to fight Matt Hamel and get a legitimate win over him. In their last fight, Hamel was robbed! I don’t think anyone thought Bisping won except their own local judges, who obviously favored their own local hero.[/quote]
well laz i been a british lad shud disagree but hamill woz stung BADLY but if you actually knew anything worth knowing bout ufc you would know that the one british judge gave it to hamill and the two american judges gave it to bisping sorry mate![/quote]
OK, didn’t know two of the judges were blind American’s lol It seems that the judges were the only ones favoring Mike Bisping over Matt Hamill. A rematch is definately in order and I think everyone has to agree on that.

there was news a while ago about matthughes going up to 185 and fighting if franklin lost

Just watched UFC77 here in the UK. OUUUUCH Anderson is the MAN He looked like he was almost playing with Franklin at the start. VERY good preformance.If the UFC wants a genuine contender to put in with him, they need to sign Lindland again!

As for Tim Silvia, man is he just toooooo boring or what. All the hype of “I’m gonna be the old tim and Ko him” blah blah. The dude only had 1 hand and it still went to points. CRAP. Put Lesnar in with Sylvia, he’s big enough to throw Tim around a bit

Belcher looked shit hot. Very impressive.

Reckon Rich Franklin should go back to acting. He was brilliant in The Truman Show and Ace Ventura
:):):)

[quote comment="187317"][quote comment="186424"]Rich Franklin has “NOT” worked on his wrestling game, LEARN WRESTLING TAKEDOWNS RICH!!!!… BEAR HUGS AND TRIP IN CLINCH… NOT THAT WEAK ASS OUTSIDE HEAD SINGLE LEG, SWITCH TO DOUBLE-TACKLE!!

DO YOU HEAR ME RICH!!!![/quote]

you obviously did not see the fight. he took silva down in the first minuet[/quote]

Are you saying that wrestling takedown attempts against Anderson is futile or that Rich needs no practice in his takedown attempts?

Here’s the fight:

http://www.mmalinker.com/index.phpt=m&link=http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/0t42RU3PuaI/&title=Rich

Are you saying Rich worked extensively on takedowns from that Muay Thai clinch for at least 6 mo’s and that after the 1st 2 mins Rich decided to keep it on his feet because he couldn’t take Silva down again? Com’on Rich’s wrestling sucks, if it was good he may have put Silva down again in at least 2 other situations, but he doesn’t even attempt it in those.

Are you also suggesting Rich has no chance of improving his wrestling takedowns despite his intensive wrestling training (much like GSP’s wrestling training where he practices with olympian caliber wrestlers..lol, I’m sure Rich does none of that).

IMO, Rich is fast enough, athletic enough and definitely strong enough to become a very good wrestler in his takedown attempts and 6 months of intensive training here is plenty to make great improvement, 2 years would be perfect…. his wrestling defense is great, just like Silva’s, but with Silva’s standup being so much better Rich needs to train in wrestling offense…. You’re not a well rounded fighter if you don’t, Rich relies on Jujitsu, standup and GnP.. and he finally paid the price with his lack of training in wrestling offense, because of someone with the stand up and jujitsu abilities of Silva.

Not to say Rich could ever beat Silva, I always forget Rich doesn’t take a punch as well as some of the tougher UFC fighters. However, the one area where Rich could make the most gains is in his takedown offense and he obviously hasn’t improved on that since he began in the UFC, he hasn’t had to, until now.

spider is a BADDDDD MAN i almost feel bad for rich though. he is a class act and a pretty damn good fighter, just not in the same class as the spider. silva needs to learn some english. dana needs to throw some green stuff at hendo to get him in 185, i would love to see him and silva go at it. from what i was thinking, rich can woop everybody in his division except silva, so i guess that puts him in a strange situation…..

[quote post="3489"]According to another site, Vera broke his hand. It’s not an excuse though. I’m not afraid to admit it when I’m wrong. [/quote]
Me too, that was a pathetic performance from Vera. Let me also add if Vera did break his hand ,that was a super pathetic and lame performance by Syvia, because he should of destroyed a guy with one hand and Vera look no worse for the wear, after they wiped the blood off that scratch on the top of his head.

[quote post="3489"]Here’s a thought: can Rich lose some muscle and move down to WW? As we’ve seen with Anderson, you don’t really need a lot of muscle in MMA. MMA strength is different. Guys like BJ and Karo have MMA strength, yet are not very muscular. I’d pay to see Franklin vs. GSP.
R u serious? Rich used to fight at 205 he’s an enomous 185er. No way he could make WW. Moving back to LHW is much more realistic.[/quote] Look at Rich’s weigh in pic. To see those little ripply muscles that look like ribs, you have to be at bodybuilder competition bodyfat (about 4 or 5%) if you go much below this it spells death. So ,Rich could could never fight lower than MW, he is stretching it at that.

[quote post="3489"]Lets examine the middleweight division to find who could beat silva:
the top 15 IMO CHAMPION – Anderson Sliva – CHAMPION
1 dan henderson – NON 185
2 paulo filho – NON UFC
3 matt linland – NON UFC
4 rich franklin – just got owned by silva twice
5 yushin okami – already got ko’ed by silva.
6 nate marquardt – already ko’ed by silva
7 denis kang – NON UFC
8 martin Kampmann – recovering from injury, with more fights he may fight silva
9 trevor prangley – NON UFC
10 robbie lawler – NON UFC
11 jason macdonald – too low in ufc order to get a shot.
12 frank shamrock – NON UFC
13 chris leben – already got ko’ed by silva
14 thales leites – lost to kampmann, too low in order to fight silva
15 frank trigg – NON UFC
of fighters there who are fighting in the ufc at 185
okami, kampmann, macdonald, leites are the only ones who are in contention against anderson silva, even though okami got knocked out he got the dq win so the ufc will probably hype that.
the next fight for silva is okami if okami gets another win. mark my words and hardcore nerdiness[/quote]
If you are going to mention Lebin, why not mention Cote, he’s got some sweet hands ,KO power and an iron chin (never been KOed)and he is good at not taking damage (Tito couldn’t hurt him).

[quote post="3489"]Wow. Where are all the Vera fanatics now? Tim Sylvia should be devastated by knee and kicks at this point. Next time you jump on somebody’s bandwagon, make sure they actually belong in that weight class[/quote]
Vera fought the biggest, scariest guy in the HW div. (with a broken hand) and he look the same as when he walked in. Vera said, “when someone kicks my ass, I’ll drop down to LHW”. Brandon asked the crowd if Tim kicked his ass, they said,”NO” then he said, “I GUESS I”M STILL A HW BITCHES”. Why does Vera’s size bug some people? He’s the one in there (NOT) taking a beating, from the bigger guys.

[quote post="3489"]Okami did not get KO’ed by Silva. Silva hit him with an illegal blow (kick to the head while he was down) and was DQed because Okami couldn’t continue to fight so he actually has a win over Silva. [/quote]

u should watch the fight on rumble on the rock.

okami was posturing up, and then he got ko’ed by and up kick

What’s up with the booing of Big Tim, I know he’s not a fan favorite, but none of these people know him, what is this the wwe where you cheer for the good guy and boo the bad guy? The Cinncinati(?) crowd were a bunch of dicks, oh well I guess it serves them right that both of there fighters lost. By the way, watching Jorge Gurgel(sounds like gurgle) get his pretty little face get tenderized into hamburger was wonderful, I dont know why the ref didnt stop it, but oh well, welcome to the ufc kid

[quote comment="187693"][quote comment="187317"][quote comment="186424"][/quote]
IMO, Rich is fast enough, athletic enough and definitely strong enough to become a very good wrestler in his takedown attempts and 6 months of intensive training here is plenty to make great improvement, 2 years would be perfect…. his wrestling defense is great, just like Silva’s, but with Silva’s standup being so much better Rich needs to train in wrestling offense…. You’re not a well rounded fighter if you don’t, Rich relies on Jujitsu, standup and GnP.. and he finally paid the price with his lack of training in wrestling offense, because of someone with the stand up and jujitsu abilities of Silva.

Not to say Rich could ever beat Silva, I always forget Rich doesn’t take a punch as well as some of the tougher UFC fighters. However, the one area where Rich could make the most gains is in his takedown offense and he obviously hasn’t improved on that since he began in the UFC, he hasn’t had to, until now.[/quote]

This is an excellent post. I agree with everything you said.

I think someone else will beat silva, not Rich!

[quote comment="186550"]Spiderman, Spiderman,
Does whatever a spider can.
Spins a web, any size,
Catches thieves just like flies.
Look out! Here comes the Spiderman.

Is he strong? Listen bud—
He’s got radioactive blood.
Can he swing from a thread?
Take a look overhead.
Hey there! There goes the Spiderman.

In the chill of the night,
At the scene of the crime,
Like a streak of light,
He arrives just in time!

Spiderman, Spiderman,
Friendly neighborhood Spiderman.
Wealth and fame, he’s ignored—
Action is his reward.
To him,
Life is a great big bang-up—
Wherever there’s a hang-up,
You’ll find the Spiderman![/quote]

LMAO!!!