1st Comment? I say both were equally impressive.

Jardine will not beat Rampage…..or Houston.

Jardine better enjoy his day in the sun cause its not going to last long! He fought far above his talent level that night against Chuck

Jardine needs to rematch Forrest and get his ass beat.

Houston vs Forrest..winner gets rematch with Jardine :p

Houston vs. Jardine….winner gets fed to Rampage for dinner.

Until that happens, who does Rampage fight next?

Agreed with Philly

[quote comment="161165"]Houston vs. Jardine….winner gets fed to Rampage for dinner.

Until that happens, who does Rampage fight next?[/quote]

i usually don’t get involved in match making but, i would like to see jardine and hendo/ giffin and houston. who does rampage fight? thats a good question. too me hendo is still number 2 below him i don’t know. i would like to see a rematch between hendo and rampage at least you know it would be a fight

Whats he talking about this win should be the highlight of his career! i mean he beat the ICEMAN!!

Forrest’s win over Rua just makes Jardine’s win over Forrest look that much more impressive.

i say Houston vs. Jardine/Forrest, Rampage vs. Forrest/Jardine, and still bring Silva vs. Chuck fight. Mainly i really wouldnt mind seein Rampage go toe to toe with Forrest. U have one guy that looks like a complete GOOF!! and one guy that looks scary as a mother fucka! the staredown would be priceless. Imagine if Forrest won it too. A big part of why Forrest won i think against Shogun was because he it was his first UFC fight where he really didnt have any thing to lose cause if he lost..he lost to one of the best guys in the world. I think that set his mentality to fight like he did in the TUF 1 finale. I think vs. Rampage he would have the same mentality. With Houston however…i think he would actually be more timid.

in my opinion forrest beat the number one contender in shogun he should now be the next in line for a title shot. sort of like when gonzaga beat then number one contender cro cop to gain a title shot.

I hope he gets Alexander again , they dicked him by giving him a no name guy after ktfo Griffin … They should do Jardine vs Alexander and the winner gets the winner of Rampage/Griffin for the title.

[quote comment="161171"][quote comment="161165"]Houston vs. Jardine….winner gets fed to Rampage for dinner.

Until that happens, who does Rampage fight next?[/quote]

i usually don’t get involved in match making but, i would like to see jardine and hendo/ giffin and houston. who does rampage fight? thats a good question. too me hendo is still number 2 below him i don’t know. i would like to see a rematch between hendo and rampage at least you know it would be a fight[/quote]

..This is a tuf call..If Page hurt his wrist..and let’s say he is out like 3 months.. we can see a LHW semi grandprix like have,

Forrest vs Houston

Machida vs Jardine

Henderson vs Shogun

Give Wandi a bi..These to me are the top guys in the LHW..and with all that happenned at UFC 76..what next is a good question..Do you want to see Wandi vs Chuck ( it will sell tickets, but is it the right call? )

Lets say Forrest beats Houston and Jardine beats Forrest,
then Forrest vs Jardine winner gets Wandi or a title shot.

Houston vs Machida winner faces the winner of Henderson/Shogun..hey just and idea.

I meant if Jardine beat Machida..my bad.

I dont think jardine would get the best of forrest twice.
griffin against w.silva I like.
I think forrest would also do well against Henderson.
I think if forrest beats silva,henderson,or jardine/alexander maybe even liddell a title shot should be next.
one more fight anyway for forrest before a title shot.
as far as Houston Alexander the guys a beast and may wreck alot of titleshot plans so I dont think he will get any of these guys mentioned maybe bisping or hamil thou next for Houston.
As far as quinton no idea train and wait.

Violent Mike: Since hearing that Noguerra would face frank Mir next, and now his next opponent will be Kongo, it leads me to believe that Dana White believes Fedor will sign and be Randy’s next opponent. Unless Fedor is signed Noguerra would be the next logical opponent for Randy, but since Noguerra is fighting Kongo in december, Noguerra wont be ready to fight Randy until late March or early April. At Randy’s age, I dont see him waiting 8 months to defend his title. Which leads me to believe that Fedor will be Randy’s next opponent in January of 08.

Of course I am just speculating but logically my scenario does make sense, However I have been wrong before, lets see how this plays out.

I just bout the whole disc set of the 2003 Pride Middleweight Grand Prix…. I have been trying to get this DVD for 2 years now. Now I gotta go and watch it. Its an awesome 4 discs for only $29.99.

Seeing the 4 of your 6 just fought last weekend, and all 6 fought this month, they would need to wait until December to hold round 1 of your tourney (actually wouldn’t work because Shogun is out for a few months). Then Round 2 would be February, and Round 3 to determine #1 contender would be May. Then the #1 contender would fight Rampage in August. That’s practically a year, and Rampage should be ready to go for March.

If Shogun beat Forrest he would have been #1 contender.

If Cro Cop beat Gonzaga, he would have been #1 contender. BUT, Gonazaga won, and he became the #1 contender.

Well, Forrest beat Shogun, so why wouldn’t he be #1 contender, epsecially considering the past example of the Cro Cop/Gonzaga fight.

Even though Jardine beat Forrest, I still think Forrest beating Shogun makes Forrest deserving for next in line for Rampage.

With all the fighters currently in the LHW division, last month I would have said that Forrest will never even get a shot at the title during his whole career. Now that he beat the #1 contender, things have changed. This is the UFC’s golden opportunity to have their golden boy TUF start get a shot at the title. A shot at the LHW title is almost now or never for Forrest Griffin. Also considering that he said that he’ll end up fighting at HW as he gets older, so there would be no need to cut weight. He is a huge LHW, and according to Randy, he often walks around over 240lbs!

[quote comment="161187"][quote comment="161171"][quote comment="161165"]Houston vs. Jardine….winner gets fed to Rampage for dinner.

Until that happens, who does Rampage fight next?[/quote]

i usually don’t get involved in match making but, i would like to see jardine and hendo/ giffin and houston. who does rampage fight? thats a good question. too me hendo is still number 2 below him i don’t know. i would like to see a rematch between hendo and rampage at least you know it would be a fight[/quote]

..This is a tuf call..If Page hurt his wrist..and let’s say he is out like 3 months.. we can see a LHW semi grandprix like have,

Forrest vs Houston

Machida vs Jardine

Henderson vs Shogun

Give Wandi a bi..These to me are the top guys in the LHW..and with all that happenned at UFC 76..what next is a good question..Do you want to see Wandi vs Chuck ( it will sell tickets, but is it the right call? )

Lets say Forrest beats Houston and Jardine beats Forrest,
then Forrest vs Jardine winner gets Wandi or a title shot.

Houston vs Machida winner faces the winner of Henderson/Shogun..hey just and idea.[/quote]

i would really like to see lidell fight houston and i think wandi will emerge as the champ in the future, i probably don’t need to make predictions but i think wandi will adapt well in the ufc

[quote comment="161193"]Seeing the 4 of your 6 just fought last weekend, and all 6 fought this month, they would need to wait until December to hold round 1 of your tourney (actually wouldn’t work because Shogun is out for a few months). Then Round 2 would be February, and Round 3 to determine #1 contender would be May. Then the #1 contender would fight Rampage in August. That’s practically a year, and Rampage should be ready to go for March.

If Shogun beat Forrest he would have been #1 contender.

If Cro Cop beat Gonzaga, he would have been #1 contender. BUT, Gonazaga won, and he became the #1 contender.

Well, Forrest beat Shogun, so why wouldn’t he be #1 contender, epsecially considering the past example of the Cro Cop/Gonzaga fight.[/quote]

..Good point..but Gonzaga was 4-0 in the UFC.. hand not lost his fight before he beat Crocop..I think just because Jardine beat Forrest and Houston beat Jardine..before UFC 76..both shouldn’t just get a title shot..they at least should have one more fight before a title shot is granted.

Sometimes when I look at Jardine – he looks like Chuck Liddell upside down.

I wish this fight would of been 5 rounds… i would rahter see this as a rematch then the tito rashad fight.. word up

I heard Houston called out Bisping!!!!!! I would love to see him knock Bisping out!!!!! Houston in the house!!!!!!!!!!

Jardine vs. Forrest (Rematch)
Alexander vs. Silva
Liddell vs. Machida
Henderson vs. Shogun

Rampage vs. Winner of Jardine vs. Forrest.

i bet jardine wont feel the same way if he fights forrest again. i agree w/ most in that forrest should be #1 and fight page for the title. i think a name everyone is forgetting is stephan bonnar. he gave forrest 2 hard fought matches(better than shogun did) and he actually beat jardine! ( although highly contraversial). his only bad showing was against rashad because he had poor take down defense. now he’s in randy’s camp training with randy, forrest etc. i’m sure he’s improving alot as well just like griffen and jardine have. does anyone else think he would be a good matchup for machida or houston? i kinda do.

jardine vs alexander winner gets title shot
liddle vs silva both have 2 losses
machida vs forest

I say Rampage vs Houston Alexander for a ghetto hood showdown. That would be an exciting fight sure to end in a KO.

Honestly though IMO, Forrest is most deserving of a title shot “right now”

Is everyone for real? Why on earth is everybody writing off the iceman!! The guy is a great fighter, and i state IS STILL a great fighter. Yes he has lost two fights, one he got caught. And lets face it we all know he made a mistake, and against jardine he could easily have one that if his corner had told him to kick jardine instead of just punch! Jardine to fight liddell again, then we will all be talking of a liddell title match or even liddell vs silva. Mark my words liddell will get his title shot again!!!!

[quote comment="161193"]If Shogun beat Forrest he would have been #1 contender.

If Cro Cop beat Gonzaga, he would have been #1 contender. BUT, Gonazaga won, and he became the #1 contender.

Well, Forrest beat Shogun, so why wouldn’t he be #1 contender, epsecially considering the past example of the Cro Cop/Gonzaga fight.[/quote]

very good point

If Liddell doesnt win his next fight….I WILL write him off

i would love to see houston and jardine rematch…i think that fight makes more sense than a forrest jardine rematch right now…i think after shogun and chuck losing, the ufc is looking for guys to fight rampage and who better than the guys that just knocked off chuck and shogun? i agree with violent mike that forrest should get the first shot because he beat the number 1 contender, so in the mean time jardine should get a chance to redeem himself against a recent loss and legitimize his place near the top at lhw, and then if he wins that he should get a fight against either the champ or against maybe wanderlei for the number one contender…shogun and dan henderson are both gonna have to work their way back up the ladder so in the mean time the ufc should take advantage of being able to market a rampage/forrest title fight and then maybe a rampage/jardine title fight or a forrest/jardine rematch title fight…

[quote comment="161237"][quote comment="161193"]If Shogun beat Forrest he would have been #1 contender.

If Cro Cop beat Gonzaga, he would have been #1 contender. BUT, Gonazaga won, and he became the #1 contender.

Well, Forrest beat Shogun, so why wouldn’t he be #1 contender, epsecially considering the past example of the Cro Cop/Gonzaga fight.[/quote]

very good point[/quote]

..Gonzaga was on a win streak..4-0 brief..but it was consecutive streak..Forrest from 06 to now is 3-2 in the UFC ..in my opinion since his Knockout loss to Jardine..he has been real impressive..but not enuff to just get a title shot..from night to day..he should have one more scrap at least to get that title shot..I don’t buy the popularity thing with him being the TUF poster boy..he is by far an awesome fighter..and he impressed the hell out of me at UFC 76..but what about Jardine..he Knocked out Forrest..got Knocked out by Houston..and won a battle with the former most dominent LHW UFC ever..why not give Jardine the shot?? I wouldn’t..I would like to see these 2 fighters do it again..another W..and then talk about a title shot.

Jardine knows what’s up. He has it right here.

Quick question… just wanted to get some other opinions. In a Griffin/Rampage fight… who do you root for? They are my two favorites so I have no idea. U Guys?

Someone said this here..and I agreed..the stare down would be classic in the Rampage/Forrest match.

The current rankings in my opinion are
1. Rampage
2. Henderson
3. Liddell
4. Jardine
5. Griffin
6. Shogun
7. Alexander
8. Silva
9. Machida
10.Ortiz

this i have based on previous fights and also capabilities to win future fights. Silva is down there as he has not yet fought in the ufc, he should fight either Alexander or Machida. For jardine or griffin to get a shot they should have to go through henderson which i cant see happening. However Ramapage needs an opponent, i would personally put him up against griffin simply because it would be a box office hit and also griffin has just beat Shogun!
Alexander vs Silva, and liddell vs jardine 2. Shogun vs Machida

[quote comment="161250"]

..Gonzaga was on a win streak..4-0 brief..but it was consecutive streak..Forrest from 06 to now is 3-2 in the UFC ..in my opinion since his Knockout loss to Jardine..he has been real impressive..but not enuff to just get a title shot..from night to day..he should have one more scrap at least to get that title shot..I don’t buy the popularity thing with him being the TUF poster boy..he is by far an awesome fighter..and he impressed the hell out of me at UFC 76..but what about Jardine..he Knocked out Forrest..got Knocked out by Houston..and won a battle with the former most dominent LHW UFC ever..why not give Jardine the shot?? I wouldn’t..I would like to see these 2 fighters do it again..another W..and then talk about a title shot.[/quote]

thats a good point too

[quote comment="161258"]Quick question… just wanted to get some other opinions. In a Griffin/Rampage fight… who do you root for? They are my two favorites so I have no idea. U Guys?[/quote]
thats a tough one for me as well, although there not my 2 favs i like both alot. i guess i would root for forrest because he always seems like the biggest underdog. both guys are hilarious and are p.r. dreams. but if they actually fight i will be rooting for forrest, but i wont be to dissapointed if page wins.

[quote comment="161258"]Quick question… just wanted to get some other opinions. In a Griffin/Rampage fight… who do you root for? They are my two favorites so I have no idea. U Guys?[/quote]
Forget the fight itself, the prefight press conference would be priceless.

there should definitely be a griffin/jardine rematch… winner gets page. what about a silva/henderson rubber match?

[quote comment="161163"]Jardine needs to rematch Forrest and get his ass beat.[/quote]

Jardine won’t get his ass beat by Forrest. Forrest doesn’t have knockout power and Jardine is as skilled as Forrest in every facet of the game (much better striker). Jardine simply has more ways to win. Jardine has alot of heart too, just because he isn’t as charismatic as Forrest or as popular as Chuck doesn’t mean he isn’t a great mma fighter with plenty of heart, standing with chuck for 3 rounds with the crowd booing you shows alot of resolve. Jardine just flat out smoked Forrest already and I don’t see a rematch being that much different.

I look forward to the Alexander rematch. Jardine took him lightly last time and if you remember he almost had Alexander before he got caught.

Mo: your rankings are crazy after the first two slots. You can’t put Jardine, Forrest, and Houston above Wandy.

Here is my take on the rankings for the LHW 205 division

1 Rampage
2 Hendo
3 Shogun
4 Liddell
5 Wanderlei
6 Jardine
7 Forrest
8 Houston
9 Machida
10 Tito

Most of this is a combination of records, quality of opponents, head to head performances , titles won, and my personal view of how they fought in their matchups, lets call it the Matt Hamill rule.

Let the debate commence!

[quote comment="161237"][quote comment="161193"]If Shogun beat Forrest he would have been #1 contender.

If Cro Cop beat Gonzaga, he would have been #1 contender. BUT, Gonazaga won, and he became the #1 contender.

Well, Forrest beat Shogun, so why wouldn’t he be #1 contender, epsecially considering the past example of the Cro Cop/Gonzaga fight.[/quote]

very good point[/quote]

because Jardine already beat Forrest badly and beat the former champ, he should get the title shot

[quote comment="161177"]in my opinion forrest beat the number one contender in shogun he should now be the next in line for a title shot. sort of like when gonzaga beat then number one contender cro cop to gain a title shot.[/quote]

I agree, Forrest took the chance, He should get the reward!

[quote comment="161258"]Quick question… just wanted to get some other opinions. In a Griffin/Rampage fight… who do you root for? They are my two favorites so I have no idea. U Guys?[/quote]

You go for forrest! IT would be good for the sport to see him as the LHW champ!

[quote comment="161223"]Jardine vs. Forrest (Rematch)
Alexander vs. Silva
Liddell vs. Machida
Henderson vs. Shogun

Rampage vs. Winner of Jardine vs. Forrest.[/quote]

No. We need to see a Title match soon.

Forrest vs Rampage (he deserves it – he stold Rua’s chance)
Houston vs Silva (I agree this is the best opponent for Wandi)
Jardine vs Machida (Good test for Machida, and would Solidfy Jardine) or Jardine vs Henderson / Machida vs Winner of Ortiz/Evans.
Liddell vs ??????? (Needs a victory but yet decent enough to make it valid)
Babalu (wants to get back in the picture)
Rua (might be to tough for Lidell, besides hes out with knee surgery!!)
Ortiz vs Evans (winner: Ortiz could get redemption – Rashad would be a good victory for Lidell -confidence builder)
Arona (I dont know if this does anything for Lidell expect risks everything)
Henderson (Too dangerous for Lidell)

Henderson vs (Hard to say but I think you could put him with anyone and have a good fight)

Forrest earned his shot let him have it while we watch all the other fights.

my ranking system was for ufc, i know wand overall record is dominant but do you give him the title shot then? Maybe as he has beat rampage twice already!! That would be interesting

Griffen was more exciting because it was done in the first round and he knocked his a** out. Everybody loves a quick paycheck, without losing to much energy

dominant to forrest n co i mean

If Forrest fought Quinton- I’d be going for Forrest.
If Forrest fought anyone I’m going for Forrest, he’s my favorite.
I also think Forrest has a good chance at beating him, his cardio is example.
Being someone who trains cardio is pretty important.
not that quinton doesn’t have good cardio but forrest will keep pushing, so being 110% is quintons only option or knock him out.
I agree the stare down would be a highlight of the night.

How about this;
Rampage v Silva 111
griffen v jardine 11
ortiz v evans 11
henderson v alexander 1
liddell v machida 1
Shogun out injured, so fights loser of rampage v silva???

I still dont see who is going to beat Rampage right now. Forrest is great, one of my favorite fi ghters. But I dont see him beating Rampage. Same with Jardine. I dont know. We’ll have to wait and see I suppose.

Rampage will be the Silva..of the LHW division. Forrest is good, but his style fits well with Rampage’s..whenver they do fight..I see Page beating him. I’m still waiting for Rampage to do his signature slam in the octagon.

How about Henderson vs. Houston?? Bring in the double HH’s and Griffin Vs Jardine, and have both those fights in one night so there’s no waiting around and the winner fights each other then a chance at title shot……I wish that the these title shots aren’t in 8 month terms (Huhges and Serra). Now we’ll see how long until the next LHW title is gonna go down.

Oi Jardine vs Machida?

I feel myself going to sleep talking about it.

Now Griffin vs Machida, I could dig that.

I like Houston vs Henderson too. Houston definately deserves a top 10 opponent.

I would love to see Randy drop to LHW and beat Rampage…(I think he has the best chance out of anyone) then he would be the first UFC champ to hold 2 belts in different weight classes! …He should retire after doing this because I dont think he could hold the LHW belt for long.

Machida needs to be given some true tests, a real chance to prove himself, so he could possibly add to this mix. Who knows what he is cabable of until they put him in with somebody legit.

Forrest and Jardine should rematch for number one contendar. Even though Houstan would smash them both. They are both coming off big wins, over the top guys in the division. Then give Houstan somebody really legit to get him into contention.

And for god’s sake give Rashad to somebody like Houstan, Wandi, or even Jardine or Forrest, so he can get BEAT and be done with it!!!

Keith Jardine is a class act and most fans don’t even see it. However, I must say, Keith should allow Alexander/Griffin to duke it out and Jardine awarded the winner of that bout. You will see an incrediable difference in Keith as the end result. So many superficial UFC fans only look at the winner and change loyality over what they expect is a winner. Keith Jardine, you will make a mark on UFC history.

[quote comment="161445"]Keith Jardine is a class act and most fans don’t even see it. However, I must say, Keith should allow Alexander/Griffin to duke it out and Jardine awarded the winner of that bout. You will see an incrediable difference in Keith as the end result. So many superficial UFC fans only look at the winner and change loyality over what they expect is a winner. Keith Jardine, you will make a mark on UFC history.[/quote]

he already did..within 3 fights..he knocked out Forrest and then took the former LHW UFC Champ the distance and won..that is pretty impressive in my book.

Who wouldn’t be exhausted after clinching their ass for three straight rounds in anticipation of a Liddell bludgeoning?

[quote comment="161361"]I would love to see Randy drop to LHW and beat Rampage…(I think he has the best chance out of anyone) then he would be the first UFC champ to hold 2 belts in different weight classes! …He should retire after doing this because I dont think he could hold the LHW belt for long.[/quote]
excellent point, i also think randy would have a great chance against rampage, although rampage is in his prime, would be a great fight!

Anyways back to the headline how on earth can keith jardine be more excited about beating forrest, no disrespect, everyone wanted to beat the iceman!! Is he worried there might be a rematch with liddell and now hes pooping his pants cos he knows he wouldnt win next time out perhaps?!!haha

Jardine won because he had a great fightplan and executed it perfectly. If he would have deviated, he would have got KO’d.

Jardine KO’d Griffin, so there is no reason for him to rematch with him. I say Jardine vs. Houston, but Dana probably won’t rematch fights close together unless there is some underying reason. ie: Ortiz/Evans.

Enough of ranking Pride fighters in the UFC before they step into the octagon. No Pride fighter should be ranked in the top 5 or given a title shot before winning at least a couple in the UFC. Except Fedor simply because it will be part of the negotiation that he get an instant title shot.

BTW, I picked Jardine, Griffin and Fitch at 76 on my MMAPlayground wagers.

Houston vs. Jardine and winner gets Forest cuz we all know that Jardine beating Forest was a fluke.

[quote comment="161321"]How about Henderson vs. Houston?? Bring in the double HH’s and Griffin Vs Jardine, and have both those fights in one night so there’s no waiting around and the winner fights each other then a chance at title shot……I wish that the these title shots aren’t in 8 month terms (Huhges and Serra). Now we’ll see how long until the next LHW title is gonna go down.[/quote]

Only reason Serra Hughes took so long is to make TUF finale that much better. Title fights in UFC, unlike boxing, usually happen 3-4 month period. (RAMPAGE-CHUCK MAY) (RAMPAGE HENDERSON SEPTEMBER)

[quote comment="161223"]Jardine vs. Forrest (Rematch)
Alexander vs. Silva
Liddell vs. Machida
Henderson vs. Shogun

Rampage vs. Winner of Jardine vs. Forrest.[/quote]

Those are some great match-ups.

Since people always brings up who people lost too and etc etc what about rashad beating the dean of mean on tuf 2,so forrest beat bonnar,bonnar beat jardinne,jardine beat forrest an chuck,rashad beat jardine and it can go onto be mind bottling but just to iron out the wrinkles they should let forrest fight page get it over wit,hendo vs wandi 2,chuck vsrashad,tito vs shogun,bonnar vs evan tannner(sorrry wishful thinking)

Jardines win over chuck is much more impressive that forests win over shogun.

maybe nobody should fight rampage for a while, doesnt he need extended time to fix (surgery) his hand? then we could get a rematch of forrest and jardine by feb/march with the winner fighting rampage in the fall.

there have been a lot of good points on this, further showing how strong the division is, there are no certainties thats for sure. One thing i will say is that Chuck Liddell has been written off far too early, if he beats rampage, which i realise didnt happen! we would all be talking about who can beat liddell if anyone, cos jardine wouldnt get his opportunity that he got and i dont see henderson or even shogun beat the ICEMAN, i agree with SHOESBEEF, we will see rampage v liddell maybe not as early as may, but this time will be different!! Can Liddell beat Rampage thats the question, id fancy him any day against anyone else in the division regardless of his last two outings! I love UFC its great fun!!!

Has anyone seen the trailor for the ufc e3 game on utube? How good does that look, if you havent looked yet, have a peak it looks immense seriously!! Liddell even gets a few good punches in at rampage hehe

[quote comment="161495"]Jardine won because he had a great fightplan and executed it perfectly. If he would have deviated, he would have got KO’d.

Jardine KO’d Griffin, so there is no reason for him to rematch with him. I say Jardine vs. Houston, but Dana probably won’t rematch fights close together unless there is some underying reason. ie: Ortiz/Evans.

Enough of ranking Pride fighters in the UFC before they step into the octagon. No Pride fighter should be ranked in the top 5 or given a title shot before winning at least a couple in the UFC. Except Fedor simply because it will be part of the negotiation that he get an instant title shot.

BTW, I picked Jardine, Griffin and Fitch at 76 on my MMAPlayground wagers.[/quote]
I agree with you there my friend mr SaVaGe, i also think chuck had a bit of an off night but still put some damage to jardine! im a massive Liddell fan and am totally byest, but for me Liddell will regain his title, this is when we will see the best of Liddell!! The real test is rampage pure and simple, i dont think chuck was motivated for his fight with jardine and i can see why! His only outstanding loss was to rampage and from the loss to him for the second time he gets an outing with jardine. If you were Liddell would you be hungry to get in there? Id be pissed after dominating for 4 years to get put in with jardine, no disrespect!

[quote comment="161258"]Quick question… just wanted to get some other opinions. In a Griffin/Rampage fight… who do you root for? They are my two favorites so I have no idea. U Guys?[/quote]
My oppenion forrest will come out with fire in his eyes and rampage would probably not take him to seriously… so forrest in my oppinion.

[quote comment="161294"][quote comment="161163"]Jardine needs to rematch Forrest and get his ass beat.[/quote]

Jardine won’t get his ass beat by Forrest. Forrest doesn’t have knockout power and Jardine is as skilled as Forrest in every facet of the game (much better striker). Jardine simply has more ways to win. Jardine has alot of heart too, just because he isn’t as charismatic as Forrest or as popular as Chuck doesn’t mean he isn’t a great mma fighter with plenty of heart, standing with chuck for 3 rounds with the crowd booing you shows alot of resolve. Jardine just flat out smoked Forrest already and I don’t see a rematch being that much different.

I look forward to the Alexander rematch. Jardine took him lightly last time and if you remember he almost had Alexander before he got caught.[/quote]

You have everything here that I would have said, I agree with you 100%. Jardine is an all round better fighter than Forrest and he would beat him again if they fought, because like you I believe he has more ways to win. I do not believe he fought above his talent level as I actually think he is that good, I knew he was a dangerous striker and you only need to look at some of his previous fights to see he has some of the most dangerous leg kicks in the division. Chuck fought exacly the way he normally does and Jardines fighting style just exposed the weakneses in it. You can’t say he fought above his normal level just because he did not stand there and let Chuck knock him out. People really do need to stop rating Jardine on the Houston fight. Forrest beat Shogun, wow it was an amazing victory, but Forrest did not fight any differently to the way he normally does, Shogun really was fighting that bad. Do you really think if he fought Jardine again he would have it that easy. You must be kidding yourself of you do. Shogun did not really touch Forrest at all, Jardine will be hammering him with the same leg kicks and punches he gave Chuck. People need to start showing Jardine some respect, he beat your hero fair and square, no groin shots, no lucky punch, get over it. Chuck was fighting fit and confident, not an out of shape, gassed out Shogun. Jardine was simply the better fighter. I thought he would for various reasons, not only because I actually rated Jardine as a striker and did not judge him on the Houston fight, but because I also think because Chuck has not really fought a genuine tough skilled strikers in a long time even though Randy, Tito, Babalu are all great fighters, he just did not realise you cannot fight guys like Jardine in the same way. I am a fan of Chucks and Forrest, but even when it comes to my favourite fighters I am not afraid to tell it like it is or let that cloud my vision. Jardine seriously needs to get a lot more respect for that victory especially with the crap money he got. He even said he was so exhausted he couldn’t even celebrate after th win. Damn, there some pretty cold hearted MMA fans out there.

here is what i think is going to happen (and personally i dont like the idea):

TUF 7 Coaches: Rampage and Forrest

sorry for the two posts but heres what else (IMO) would happen:
Wandy vs Alexander (id love to see this fight)
Jardine vs Hendo (winner gets title shot vs winner of rampage vs forrest)
Shogun vs Machida (this fight was supposed to happen before the Griffin fight)
Lidell vs winner of Rashad/Tito 2 (if he gets tito it would be another huge $$$ fight and it could boost his confidence)

[quote comment="161495"]

Jardine KO’d Griffin, so there is no reason for him to rematch with him. I say Jardine vs. Houston[/quote]

If thats your logic why should Houston have to fight Jardine again?

Houston ko’d Jardine so bad his mouth piece flew out of his mouth and he did a faceplant. atleast forrest was still semi-conscious

there is no reason for Houston to have to fight Jardine again. I think he more than proved his game against Keith. Jardine is also fighting a 38 year old Iceman who is a little past his prime as his fight with Jardine proved. You can say that Jardine took Forrest lightly but at the same time you can make the same argument that Forrest might have taken Jardine lightly. Forrest has a way better all around game than Jardine. he may not have Jardines knock out power but his punches are more precise. on the ground Forrest would own him. Jardine beat Chuck by a split decision. big deal. Forrest SUBMITTED Shogun. a little bit more impressive in my opinion that he tapped out a guy who many believe is the best LHW in the game today. A guy that destroyed Rampage who is now the UFC Champ. Jardine didn’t even win the tv show. Give Forrest the shot at Rampage and let Jardine win a couple more before he gets any sort of shot. he needs to earn it. and you are all kidding yourself if you think that Jardine wasn’t thrown at Chuck by Dana to get Chuck back in the picture. it just backfired is all that happened.

When is that game for xbox gonna be released? it looks fucking hostile

[quote comment="161604"]maybe nobody should fight rampage for a while, doesnt he need extended time to fix (surgery) his hand? then we could get a rematch of forrest and jardine by feb/march with the winner fighting rampage in the fall.[/quote]
Are you insane?….am I reading your statement right? You don’t want a LHW title match until a year from now……

[quote comment="161699"][quote comment="161495"]Jardine won because he had a great fightplan and executed it perfectly. If he would have deviated, he would have got KO’d.

Jardine KO’d Griffin, so there is no reason for him to rematch with him. I say Jardine vs. Houston, but Dana probably won’t rematch fights close together unless there is some underying reason. ie: Ortiz/Evans.

Enough of ranking Pride fighters in the UFC before they step into the octagon. No Pride fighter should be ranked in the top 5 or given a title shot before winning at least a couple in the UFC. Except Fedor simply because it will be part of the negotiation that he get an instant title shot.

BTW, I picked Jardine, Griffin and Fitch at 76 on my MMAPlayground wagers.[/quote]
I agree with you there my friend mr SaVaGe, i also think chuck had a bit of an off night but still put some damage to jardine! im a massive Liddell fan and am totally byest, but for me Liddell will regain his title, this is when we will see the best of Liddell!! The real test is rampage pure and simple, i dont think chuck was motivated for his fight with jardine and i can see why! His only outstanding loss was to rampage and from the loss to him for the second time he gets an outing with jardine. If you were Liddell would you be hungry to get in there? Id be pissed after dominating for 4 years to get put in with jardine, no disrespect![/quote]

I’m a big Chuck fan too, but you gotta understand that Dana use to be Chuck’s manager….plus they are good friends (ever see those 2 on Punk’d?) So Chuck wasn’t disrespected by fighting Jardine….Chuck in my opinion, probebly had a few options…..no way Dana would dog chuck like that…

I think Jardin is more deserving of a title shot than F Griffin, because he beat Liddell a long time former champion. Jardin did beat F Griffin, so he deserves a shot next. There are a handful of other fighters you could argue the case for deserving a shot at the title. Tito vs Rashad, Houston vs Forrest, Liddell vs Wanderli. Hendo drop back to 185lbs and get that title. Shogun gets surgery and recover.

About Liddell’s performance, his cardio was never that good even in his best shape, in a tough physical fight such as Couture in their 1st fight or Rampage in their 1st fight, Chuck gets fatigued and then battered. Of all his defending championship fights he knocked everyone out while he’s fairly fresh.

Jardin survived the storm the 1st round, came back and hung in there while managing not to get knocked out… just a fast pace standup, tatical, risky and gritty performance. By the 3rd round Jardin leg kicked his way to edge out a victory on a fatigued Liddell.

[quote comment="161247"]If Liddell doesnt win his next fight….I WILL write him off[/quote]

I agree, Iceman gets one more shot, and if he is mediocre like last time (he didnt suck he just was ‘average’ w/ Jardine) then hes officially Tito. However lets wait and see. Wandy should get a win in because if he and Chuck fought & either of them lost they’d be 0-3!!! Then the ringer would come for em!

My humble opinon:

I hear Tito vs. Hendo…this is actually interesting! if they wrestle its boring but Tito might do something. But Hendo is too much of a live wire w/ that big right, (Hendo TKO 2)

RAMPAGE vs. Rashad

I know, I know…Rashad you ask, “Whats he done to deserve Rampage?) Nothing really, but this could be explosive, his style was dulled against Tito, and Sean Salmon aside, Rashad doesn’t really finish. They’re both the same size roughly and strong as hell, Rampage would need to strike Rashad. (Rampage TKO RD 3 or Rashad via wrestling decision)

Jardine vs. Forrest…lets clear things up (Forrest via 3 rd decison…Xtreme Couture is remaking Forrest)

Alexander vs. Machida …Houston would FORCE Machida to do more than boringly counter. Either Lyoto frusterates Houston and takes it via 3RD nap, or maybe a submission, Houston is admittedly weak in BJJ….or Houston just goes apeshit like his last two and wins via 1st RD. TKO)

Chuck vs. Wandy….this should happen just to happen. As for the contest, I lean towards Liddell, because I assume Wandy has lost his beserk Chute Box style, or like Shogun, may have been roided up for energy, he looked like Shogun in his outing with Hendo…Dead) (Chuck TKO rd 3)

I wonder why everyone sees Hendo back at 185. The dude is 37, maybe he can’t make 185 anymore? Anyways when I watched it was a serious battle only slightly favoring the 9 year younger Rampage by a split hair, he had better positioning in the last round as he was more or less pinning Hendo. No shame Hendo is worthy of a remtach he could perhaps win.

[quote comment="161851"]sorry for the two posts but heres what else (IMO) would happen:
Wandy vs Alexander (id love to see this fight)
Jardine vs Hendo (winner gets title shot vs winner of rampage vs forrest)
Shogun vs Machida (this fight was supposed to happen before the Griffin fight)
Lidell vs winner of Rashad/Tito 2 (if he gets tito it would be another huge $$$ fight and it could boost his confidence)[/quote]

LETS PRAY THAT ISNT THE CASE! Im a big fan of TUF but the whole huge sabbatical ala Hughes vs Serra is lame and way too long! These guys don’t need to be coaches (Rampage and Forrest) they’re goofballs and I can’t see either of them actually coaching, just making jokes which would make good TV albeit at the expense of they’re teams.

[quote comment="161265"]The current rankings in my opinion are
1. Rampage
2. Henderson
3. Liddell
4. Jardine
5. Griffin
6. Shogun
7. Alexander
8. Silva
9. Machida
10.Ortiz

this i have based on previous fights and also capabilities to win future fights. Silva is down there as he has not yet fought in the ufc, he should fight either Alexander or Machida. For jardine or griffin to get a shot they should have to go through henderson which i cant see happening. However Ramapage needs an opponent, i would personally put him up against griffin simply because it would be a box office hit and also griffin has just beat Shogun!
Alexander vs Silva, and liddell vs jardine 2. Shogun vs Machida[/quote]
Why Alexander before Machida?

Im still not 100% on Houston Alexander, he beat Jardine who understimated him and made a mistake, and Sakerra who beats himself before he steps in to fight so i dont think he should be in the top 10, My title contention status
1. Griffen
2. Jardine
3. shogun
4. Machida
5. Henderson
6. Liddell
7. Silva
8. Evans
9. Alexander
10.Ortiz

my rankings Based on wins in the Ufc
Griffen should be next no argument
Jardine with one more impressive Victory
Shogun With two wins
Machida two or one ko win over a thought opponent
Hendo two wins
Liddell three wins
Silva one or two impressive wins
Evans with a win over tito
Alexander two or three more wins
Ortiz is done Three impressive wins

im sorry guys but the only top guy who has any business fighting alexander at this point is jardine because he lost to him. in my opinion it would be a step down for anyone in the top five to fight him, he is a newcomer with 2 fights. he needs a few more wins to get into the title picture. if they don’t give forrest the title shot now then i say him and jardine rematch and winner gets rampage. silva gets shot at winner of rampage-forrest/jardine. i really think this is the way things SHOULD play out. but who knows….

[quote comment="161944"][quote comment="161495"]

Jardine KO’d Griffin, so there is no reason for him to rematch with him. I say Jardine vs. Houston[/quote]

If thats your logic why should Houston have to fight Jardine again?[/quote]

Only because Houston hasn’t earned a title shot, Jardine just beat Liddell and the winner of Jardine/Alexander gives Alexander the chance to validate and Jardine the chance to avenge. The winner gets Rampage.

IMO there is too many fights that are rematches. Jardine lost. every time you lose you shouldn’t have a rematch just for the sake of getting even. thats the reason we keep having these trilogies. you lose thats it. accept it and move on. does this mean that now Hendo needs a rematch, and Shogun needs a rematch, and Gonzaga needs a rematch. it’s bullshit.

One way to solve the houston alexander debate would be to have him fight liddell, then griffen could fight rampage and jardine could fight silva, the division would be clearer after that!!

very true. Alexander is in a position now as is Chuck. Houston on a 2 fight win streak and Chuck on a 2 loss fight streak.

[quote post="3459"]I know, I know…Rashad you ask, “Whats he done to deserve Rampage?) Nothing really, but this could be explosive, his style was dulled against Tito, and Sean Salmon aside, Rashad doesn’t really finish. They’re both the same size roughly and strong as hell,[/quote]

Rashad and Rampage are actually no where near the same size. Rampage is 6′1″ and Rashad is 5′11″. But more importantly, Rampage is much larger physically. After seeing the shape that Rashad was in in his fight against Tito, I actually think that he has a shot at making MW. On the other hand, there’s no way the Rampage can cut down to MW.

[quote post="3459"]One way to solve the houston alexander debate would be to have him fight liddell, then griffen could fight rampage and jardine could fight silva, the division would be clearer after that!! [/quote]

That sounds good to me MO

I am abit concerned with the “Jardine shouldn’t fight Griffin because he knocked him out but should rematch Houston” talk. My point to this is why should Houston fight Jardine he’s already knocked him out whether Jardine underestimated him or not. You could say the same with Liddell underestimating Jardine so he should get a rematch (I am sure there will be one down the line). And I defo do not want to see another Tito vs Chuck fight, that would be sooo boring now and what would it prove anyway.

There are some big players in the 205 league now, so lets get some of these guys who haven’t fought each other together. Personally, and it is only my opinion, I would like to see the following fights:-

Shogun vs Ortiz (he will beat Rashad next time round)
Hendo vs Jardine (winner takes on title holder)
Rampage vs Griffin (I think Griffin deserves a shot)
Liddell vs Silva (Because we have to know)
Houston vs Rashad (This will prove Houston)

I think this would start to clear up where people stand, I apologise if I have missed anybody out (I probably have).

Ha ha ha ha Jardine got his ass handed to him from Houston Alexander what an awesome beating…Alexander should have f**k up Jardine more to assure he would never compete again.

Jardine’s fights with Liddell and Griffin were meh.