Comments on: Report: Shogun to undergo knee surgery, out three months http://mmamania.com/2007/09/27/report-shogun-to-undergo-knee-surgery-out-three-months/ UFC news, event schedules, fight analysis, Octagon predictions, UFC fighters and MMA thoughts Thu, 08 Jan 2009 00:03:11 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: ken http://mmamania.com/2007/09/27/report-shogun-to-undergo-knee-surgery-out-three-months/#comment-202134 ken Thu, 01 Nov 2007 12:22:49 +0000 http://mmamania.com/2007/09/27/report-shogun-to-undergo-knee-out-three-months/#comment-202134 shogun fought well, and you could see his talent oozing, but lack of cardio and underestimating griffen cost him. griffen is getting better everyday. the sloppy wide open stanced let her fly style of many pride fighters including fedor will be exposed in a cage. shogun fought well, and you could see his talent oozing, but lack of cardio and underestimating griffen cost him. griffen is getting better everyday. the sloppy wide open stanced let her fly style of many pride fighters including fedor will be exposed in a cage.

]]> By: sharjeel http://mmamania.com/2007/09/27/report-shogun-to-undergo-knee-surgery-out-three-months/#comment-165263 sharjeel Thu, 04 Oct 2007 05:25:22 +0000 http://mmamania.com/2007/09/27/report-shogun-to-undergo-knee-out-three-months/#comment-165263 Well Shogun took griffin down atleast 5-6 times during the fight but he was not allowed soccer kicks that are allowed in Pride and is his main weapon . Once he will adapt to UFC style you will see him on Top again . Same is the case with crocop . Well Shogun took griffin down atleast 5-6 times during the fight but he was not allowed soccer kicks that are allowed in Pride and is his main weapon . Once he will adapt to UFC style you will see him on Top again . Same is the case with crocop .

]]> By: pgam http://mmamania.com/2007/09/27/report-shogun-to-undergo-knee-surgery-out-three-months/#comment-165151 pgam Thu, 04 Oct 2007 02:39:47 +0000 http://mmamania.com/2007/09/27/report-shogun-to-undergo-knee-out-three-months/#comment-165151 i think if shogun is in top form he's gonna beat rampage again, and dominate griffin in a rematch i think if shogun is in top form he’s gonna beat rampage again,
and dominate griffin in a rematch

]]> By: joe http://mmamania.com/2007/09/27/report-shogun-to-undergo-knee-surgery-out-three-months/#comment-164950 joe Wed, 03 Oct 2007 22:43:07 +0000 http://mmamania.com/2007/09/27/report-shogun-to-undergo-knee-out-three-months/#comment-164950 Alot of you guys are already judging shogun with just one fight in the octagon. Little do you know that he's going to come back and wreak havoc in his next fights. The guy i would call washed up is definely Liddel. Sorry to say it but he's just past his prime. He has nothing to offer the UFC anymore except his haymaker. Which by the way Wanderlei will knock him out with too. So i say let shogun fight liddel and retire the ice-ass for good Alot of you guys are already judging shogun with just one fight in the octagon. Little do you know that he’s going to come back and wreak havoc in his next fights. The guy i would call washed up is definely Liddel. Sorry to say it but he’s just past his prime. He has nothing to offer the UFC anymore except his haymaker. Which by the way Wanderlei will knock him out with too. So i say let shogun fight liddel and retire the ice-ass for good

]]> By: fernando http://mmamania.com/2007/09/27/report-shogun-to-undergo-knee-surgery-out-three-months/#comment-164127 fernando Wed, 03 Oct 2007 00:58:59 +0000 http://mmamania.com/2007/09/27/report-shogun-to-undergo-knee-out-three-months/#comment-164127 i hope he comes stronger than ever. after his loss to griffin i was fucking pissed pist of because hes my favorite fighter and because he should of won that fight. good luck shogun knock 'em out i hope he comes stronger than ever. after his loss to griffin i was fucking pissed pist of because hes my favorite fighter and because he should of won that fight. good luck shogun knock ‘em out

]]> By: zoodles http://mmamania.com/2007/09/27/report-shogun-to-undergo-knee-surgery-out-three-months/#comment-162639 zoodles Mon, 01 Oct 2007 10:29:31 +0000 http://mmamania.com/2007/09/27/report-shogun-to-undergo-knee-out-three-months/#comment-162639 I think if shogun trained with Coture he would be unstaoppable. By the way, if this Shogun quote had to be translated, why did it have to be so litteral, why not render it so he doesnt sound like a retard? I think if shogun trained with Coture he would be unstaoppable. By the way, if this Shogun quote had to be translated, why did it have to be so litteral, why not render it so he doesnt sound like a retard?

]]> By: Thorazine http://mmamania.com/2007/09/27/report-shogun-to-undergo-knee-surgery-out-three-months/#comment-162108 Thorazine Sun, 30 Sep 2007 02:20:39 +0000 http://mmamania.com/2007/09/27/report-shogun-to-undergo-knee-out-three-months/#comment-162108 Shogun looked like he could possibly make 185 lbs and Forrest looked like he was about 220-225 lbs Fight day... As previously stated in a comment 'steriod topic aside'. In many cases a smaller fighter has just as much energy until he's in numerous clinches and/or taken to the ground for a period where he has to exert more energy to initially match the difference in strength. This takes it's toll on cardio and the bigger stronger fighter gains the edge as the fight progresses. We saw this in the Rampage/Hendo Fight after Hendo was 1st taken to his back in the 2nd round, he was gassed out at the start of the 3rd round. I also agree that the cage has a learning curve for many technical ring fighters and presents disadvantages as the fight progresses, endurance issues included until a fighter adapts to cage style fighting. Shogun has tremendous skill, if he can make 185 lbs, he definitely should. Shogun looked like he could possibly make 185 lbs and Forrest looked like he was about 220-225 lbs Fight day… As previously stated in a comment ’steriod topic aside’.

In many cases a smaller fighter has just as much energy until he’s in numerous clinches and/or taken to the ground for a period where he has to exert more energy to initially match the difference in strength. This takes it’s toll on cardio and the bigger stronger fighter gains the edge as the fight progresses.

We saw this in the Rampage/Hendo Fight after Hendo was 1st taken to his back in the 2nd round, he was gassed out at the start of the 3rd round.

I also agree that the cage has a learning curve for many technical ring fighters and presents disadvantages as the fight progresses, endurance issues included until a fighter adapts to cage style fighting.

Shogun has tremendous skill, if he can make 185 lbs, he definitely should.

]]> By: paul http://mmamania.com/2007/09/27/report-shogun-to-undergo-knee-surgery-out-three-months/#comment-161708 paul Sat, 29 Sep 2007 05:55:07 +0000 http://mmamania.com/2007/09/27/report-shogun-to-undergo-knee-out-three-months/#comment-161708 I think shogun is a great fighter and got beat fair and square but I don't think griffin can beat him in the ring.I think a fight is a fight and it depends on who's fighting to have a pressed fight and that will determine if the fights more aggressive or not.Randy doesn't press fighters like fedor so I think that will be a tough fight but I could be wrong.Tito vs. henderson now will be interesting but I think henderson should defend his pride title instead and should just drop his weight to fight then gain it back but he knows what he's doing since he's had two titles at the same time.It'll be interesting to see if rampage fights good in the ring now that he has two to defend.He needs to watch his opponents knees though.Shogun should come back strong since he has the record he has but we can only watch and see.I hope his knee gets better.Jardine vs. wanderlei! I think shogun is a great fighter and got beat fair and square but I don’t think griffin can beat him in the ring.I think a fight is a fight and it depends on who’s fighting to have a pressed fight and that will determine if the fights more aggressive or not.Randy doesn’t press fighters like fedor so I think that will be a tough fight but I could be wrong.Tito vs. henderson now will be interesting but I think henderson should defend his pride title instead and should just drop his weight to fight then gain it back but he knows what he’s doing since he’s had two titles at the same time.It’ll be interesting to see if rampage fights good in the ring now that he has two to defend.He needs to watch his opponents knees though.Shogun should come back strong since he has the record he has but we can only watch and see.I hope his knee gets better.Jardine vs. wanderlei!

]]> By: Jeff http://mmamania.com/2007/09/27/report-shogun-to-undergo-knee-surgery-out-three-months/#comment-161558 Jeff Sat, 29 Sep 2007 00:06:17 +0000 http://mmamania.com/2007/09/27/report-shogun-to-undergo-knee-out-three-months/#comment-161558 Oh fuck off, "The loss to Mark Coleman (a bout in which Shogun suffered a freak arm injury) doesn't count." Would it have counted if they let the fight continue and Coleman pounded his Shogun's face into dogshit?!? When you break your arm, you lose a fight. It counts. Oh fuck off, “The loss to Mark Coleman (a bout in which Shogun suffered a freak arm injury) doesn’t count.”

Would it have counted if they let the fight continue and Coleman pounded his Shogun’s face into dogshit?!?

When you break your arm, you lose a fight. It counts.

]]> By: crazy http://mmamania.com/2007/09/27/report-shogun-to-undergo-knee-surgery-out-three-months/#comment-161317 crazy Fri, 28 Sep 2007 18:11:24 +0000 http://mmamania.com/2007/09/27/report-shogun-to-undergo-knee-out-three-months/#comment-161317 What a lot of people dont realize is that japan never tested for steroids until they did the Vegas shows, now that Zuffa has bought pride and brought these guys over, they are now out of their game they once relied upon, like the lack of strength and cardio. Steroids played a huge part for pride guys at the top of there game, and once they stop using them, they are not the same. Look at Mark Kerr, i mean he fell off, and i hate to say it but i think the same has happend to Shogun, and a lot of other guys that are now fighting in the UFC. Just think about it. but shogun will be back, these guys have to get used to a huge change besides the cage and rules, a lot more ties into it. What a lot of people dont realize is that japan never
tested for steroids until they did the Vegas shows, now that Zuffa has bought pride and brought these guys over,
they are now out of their game they once relied upon, like the lack of strength and cardio. Steroids played a huge part for pride guys at the top of there game, and once they stop using them, they are not the same. Look at Mark Kerr, i mean he fell off, and i hate to say it but i think the same has happend to Shogun, and a lot of other guys that are now fighting in the UFC. Just think about it. but shogun will be back, these guys have to get used to a huge change besides the cage and rules, a lot more ties into it.

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