Thats because you already beat hughes…….GSP is getting the belt back … it does not matter who has it in his weight class…..GSP makes all other fighters in the weight classe look like a b level fighter……SERRA WAS LUCKY

How awesome would a Jon Fitch vs. GSP match be for the UFC Welterweight title?

everyone has a bad night. GSP will destroy all comers in the future. My only concern is him training with Jackson’s camp. I think he should train with Randy who has even said he’d love to train a guy with the skills and willingness to learn like GSP has. He’s the best fighter in the Jackson camp by far so i don’t see how it can be beneficial to him to train there. Just my two cents.

Would have Serra vs Hughes fight gone down any sooner if there wasn’t the TUF series?

April til December is nearly 8 months to wait for a title Fight! I hope the UFC doesnt make a habbit of this. Serra and Hughes could have fought in July and GSP could have got his title back last month and have a title defense comming in December! Instead here we have to wait 8 months for a title fight, It’s frustrating!

Fitch vs. Karo then winner vs. winner of GSP vs. either of the Matt’s?

I love it how people say Matt Serra got lucky.

I watched this again last night, and Matt Serra did not get lucky, he just simply out striked GSP. GSP slipped, got back up, Serra drilled him with a punch made GSP wobble, and then Serra just like any smart MMA fighter, finished the fight.

Its not lucky at all.

I would love to see Serra/GSP II, I think GSP will come at a different approach. I think GSP would attempt to take down Serra this time.

Would be interesting.

woohoo!! I created a lead!!!! I feel like such a team player.. UFCMANIA RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Its not called lucky…. if it is the The greatest lightheavyweight champion ever…Chuck Liddell, is the “luckiest” fighter on the planet with 7 one punch KO’s… its not luck.. its MMA.. if you give a guy a clear shot with the level of competition their is they will catch you n matt caught GSP

[quote comment="159679"]I love it how people say Matt Serra got lucky.

I watched this again last night, and Matt Serra did not get lucky, he just simply out striked GSP. GSP slipped, got back up, Serra drilled him with a punch made GSP wobble, and then Serra just like any smart MMA fighter, finished the fight.

Its not lucky at all.

I would love to see Serra/GSP II, I think GSP will come at a different approach. I think GSP would attempt to take down Serra this time.

Would be interesting.[/quote]
Agree 100%. Gsp gave serra all kinds of time(seemed like the fight was postponed forever) to develop his strikin for specifically for gsp. it was a beatdown, granted i still think gsp is obviously the better fighter.

it is such an honour that i created a lead UFCMANIA RULES!!

Spider Style – what an interesting point you brought up. Did not know Randy wanted him to train in his gym. That would benefit both. GSP will polish his great skills. And Randy would pump his Who of Who mma fighters in his gym.

[quote comment="159663"]everyone has a bad night. GSP will destroy all comers in the future. My only concern is him training with Jackson’s camp. I think he should train with Randy who has even said he’d love to train a guy with the skills and willingness to learn like GSP has. He’s the best fighter in the Jackson camp by far so i don’t see how it can be beneficial to him to train there. Just my two cents.[/quote]

The benefit that GSP can go to one place and train all aspects..before jackson he was training himself and bouncing around to different gyms to train. Kinda like one stop shopping…But I do think training with Couture would be even better for him.

Jon Fitch is the only WW fighter than can match up with GSP on an every day basis.

[quote post="3440"]woohoo!! I created a lead!!!! I feel like such a team player.. UFCMANIA RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [/quote]

[quote post="3440"]it is such an honour that i created a lead UFCMANIA RULES!! [/quote]

Heard you the first time fart boy

[quote comment="159679"]I love it how people say Matt Serra got lucky.

I watched this again last night, and Matt Serra did not get lucky, he just simply out striked GSP. GSP slipped, got back up, Serra drilled him with a punch made GSP wobble, and then Serra just like any smart MMA fighter, finished the fight.

Its not lucky at all.

I would love to see Serra/GSP II, I think GSP will come at a different approach. I think GSP would attempt to take down Serra this time.

Would be interesting.[/quote]

You contradict yourself there, Serra’s win was luck – “GSP slipped”, a fighter of that caliber does not “slip” backing up/evading..a more likely scenerio is that there was spit/blood/water/banana peel on the floor and the angel his foot touched the floor was condusive to a slip…without the slip Serra’s hook would have never have connected – at least to the level that it did..

I’ve watched the fight numerous times…and that slip was the turning point, and it was more luck than preparedness that let Serra walk away with the win imo

Yeah Serra did fight better at that fight, but I think GSP is a better fighter 10 to 1.

I’m definetly going for st pierre over hughes or serra.
I’m fairly sure he will win either way.
serra beating st pierre I can’t see happening twice.
I’m going for st pierre over anyone in that division.
And what happens to serra if he loses to hughes where does he really rank against/in that division
maybe drop to lightweight not any easier thou.

Koscheck looking for an opponent in December. How about Jon Fitch!

Winner can face the looser of Serra vs Hughes and winner of that gets the Next Title shot! Just a thought!

I mean next shot after GSP!

I think GSP would benefit greatly from Couture’s camp..or Juanito’s camp.

Hughes will crush Serra and then retire with the strap around his waist in 2-3 years!

[quote post="3440"]You contradict yourself there, Serra’s win was luck – “GSP slipped”, a fighter of that caliber does not “slip” backing up/evading..a more likely scenerio is that there was spit/blood/water/banana peel on the floor and the angel his foot touched the floor was condusive to a slip…without the slip Serra’s hook would have never have connected – at least to the level that it did..[/quote]

HMM, the old banana peel in the Octagon trick. Remind me to have one of those whenever I get front row tickets at the next UFC Match. I could see it now, ” Hughes rushing towards Serra, oh no, Peel from the crowd, peel from the crowd!! Rogan shouts. “Hughes slides across the cage, face first, into Herb (quick stoppage) Dean.” Double KO. Wow what luck.

[quote comment="159737"]Hughes will crush Serra and then retire with the strap around his waist in 2-3 years![/quote]
He should retire as soon as he wins it that way GSP doesn’t get to knock his block off again.

[quote comment="159734"]Koscheck looking for an opponent in December. How about Jon Fitch!

Winner can face the looser of Serra vs Hughes and winner of that gets the Next Title shot! Just a thought![/quote]

Fitch and Kos are trainig partners though, aren’t they ~ i doubt they would fight. Plus, you really think Kos is deserving of a title shot after the snorefests against Diego and GSP?

I would say Karo definately should get a shot before Kos!

[quote comment="159740"][quote comment="159737"]Hughes will crush Serra and then retire with the strap around his waist in 2-3 years![/quote]
He should retire as soon as he wins it that way GSP doesn’t get to knock his block off again.[/quote]

Yeah, GSP looked real good in the first fight ~ great bjj!
basic whitebelt kimura counter to the armbar.

Gsp was pumped when he fought Hughes the 2nd time, he’s looked mediocre at best since then!

I like GSP too, but i honestly think Hughes will win the rubber match!

[quote comment="159722"][quote comment="159679"]I love it how people say Matt Serra got lucky.

I watched this again last night, and Matt Serra did not get lucky, he just simply out striked GSP. GSP slipped, got back up, Serra drilled him with a punch made GSP wobble, and then Serra just like any smart MMA fighter, finished the fight.

Its not lucky at all.

I would love to see Serra/GSP II, I think GSP will come at a different approach. I think GSP would attempt to take down Serra this time.

Would be interesting.[/quote]

You contradict yourself there, Serra’s win was luck – “GSP slipped”, a fighter of that caliber does not “slip” backing up/evading..a more likely scenerio is that there was spit/blood/water/banana peel on the floor and the angel his foot touched the floor was condusive to a slip…without the slip Serra’s hook would have never have connected – at least to the level that it did..

I’ve watched the fight numerous times…and that slip was the turning point, and it was more luck than preparedness that let Serra walk away with the win imo[/quote]

But the reason why he slipped is because he got caught by a wild punch to the back of the head then GSP started to rush out and slipped. Its not like GSP just slipped on black ice. GSP did get caught then it was either a slip or a stumble but Serra still finished.

GSP is he the better fighter than Matt Serra? He has better skill sets than Serra and has more potential than Serra, but on that night, Serra was the BETTER fighter, and there is no real “luck” in MMA, unless you somehow win via Judges decision in a lopsided fight, but then is that really luck?

Luck is a guy running out of bounds in basketball and grabbing a ball and throwing the ball inbetween his legs, off a commentators head, through a fire loop and a perfect swish of the basket.

Thats luck, MMA has nothing that has the word LUCK, its more Skill or flaw that luck.

[quote post="3440"]I would say Karo definately should get a shot before Kos! [/quote]

Absolutely. Fitch is the only WW fighter that is no doubt ahead of Karo. Karo earned himself a title shot two years ago, at UFC 56. But he was forced to drop out of the match due to an injury that occured during training. Karo and his cousin just don’t have any ‘luck’ when it comes to being 100% healthy for the biggest fight of their lives.

[quote comment="159744"][quote comment="159734"]Koscheck looking for an opponent in December. How about Jon Fitch!

Winner can face the looser of Serra vs Hughes and winner of that gets the Next Title shot! Just a thought![/quote]

Fitch and Kos are trainig partners though, aren’t they ~ i doubt they would fight. Plus, you really think Kos is deserving of a title shot after the snorefests against Diego and GSP?

I would say Karo definately should get a shot before Kos![/quote]

The GSP/Kos was not a snoozefest, it was exciting to see GSP just manhandle Kos.

Karo would get the shot way before Kos, because Karo has been deserving for a long time, and I think that if Karo wins against Hector Lombard I think that lines him up to fight Jon Fitch to determine who fights for the winner of Matt ____/GSP.

Kos and Fitch are BEST FRIENDS and unless something changes and they leave their AKA camp, there is NO WAY they would fight one another. Fitch would win that fight also BTW.

Koscheck is not even in the top 7 of that division.

Instead of Ryo, give Thiago, Koscheck. I would love to see a Thiago/Koscheck fight.

But I think they will give Koscheck possibly Luke Cummo which would be interesting to witness.

slip or not gsp caght it and got ktfo! slippin its part of the fight it happens. say if you picked a fight at a bar that u knew 4 sure youd win then u slip on ice or watever and this guy punches u repeatedly till youre sleepin will u blame it ALL on the ice??? i do agree on gsp bein a better rounded fighter but hughes….. in overall succes in mma or ufc at welterweight, he is the man

[quote comment="159662"]How awesome would a Jon Fitch vs. GSP match be for the UFC Welterweight title?[/quote]

Very Awesome!

[quote comment="159747"][quote comment="159740"][quote comment="159737"]Hughes will crush Serra and then retire with the strap around his waist in 2-3 years![/quote]
He should retire as soon as he wins it that way GSP doesn’t get to knock his block off again.[/quote]

Yeah, GSP looked real good in the first fight ~ great bjj!
basic whitebelt kimura counter to the armbar.

Gsp was pumped when he fought Hughes the 2nd time, he’s looked mediocre at best since then!

I like GSP too, but i honestly think Hughes will win the rubber match![/quote]

I agree, hughes will be looking for redemption, and i think he will beat gsp this time for the rubbermatch—-but wait he has to get by serra first, i dont think he will lose to serra, but after this year-who the hell knows

I loved it when people were saying Hughes is scared of GSP and that he didn’t want to fight him again, well, we’ll see whats up after Hughes takes care of that other guy….I predict we see GSP pull out of the next Hughes fight with another injury! LOL

Personally – i wanna see the BJ Penn that fought Pulver (striking, bjj looked amazing..even slammed pulver a couple times) vs GSP that found Hughes 2/KOS crazy athleticism, wrestling and gameplan

Their first fight was pretty good..but both are a level higher now

[quote comment="159768"][quote comment="159747"][quote comment="159740"][quote comment="159737"]Hughes will crush Serra and then retire with the strap around his waist in 2-3 years![/quote]
He should retire as soon as he wins it that way GSP doesn’t get to knock his block off again.[/quote]

Yeah, GSP looked real good in the first fight ~ great bjj!
basic whitebelt kimura counter to the armbar.

Gsp was pumped when he fought Hughes the 2nd time, he’s looked mediocre at best since then!

I like GSP too, but i honestly think Hughes will win the rubber match![/quote]

I agree, hughes will be looking for redemption, and i think he will beat gsp this time for the rubbermatch—-but wait he has to get by serra first, i dont think he will lose to serra, but after this year-who the hell knows[/quote]

Great call, lets not get ahead of myself. If 2007 has taught us anything, it’s that no win is guarenteed! Although, without predictions this site wouldn’t be as fun.

Dec – Hughes over Serra via 3rd rd. TKO (strikes)
sometime early – mid 2008 – hughes over GSP via 5 rd. UD
after that…. Bring on whoever, because if Hughes beats GSP, all welterweights shoul go up or down a weightclass….Hughes will dominate!

[quote post="3440"]But I think they will give Koscheck possibly Luke Cummo which would be interesting to witness. [/quote]

That would be very interesting to see. I would be very suprised to see it end other than Luke by KO or Kos by decision. I see Luke getting the better of the standup (of course, he’s fighting Koscheck), and I don’t see Kos being able to submit Luke; nor do I see Luke getting up from a Kos takedown. So the fight would look pretty similar to Sherk/Franca. One fighter constantly looking for the takedown and to beat down his opponent, while the other is looking to keep the fight on its feet – but will have a difficult time against a much more pure athlete

[quote post="3440"]I predict we see GSP pull out of the next Hughes fight with another injury! LOL [/quote]

I am actually quite shocked the GSP hasn’t been injured these last 8 or so months.

[quote comment="159778"][quote post="3440"]I predict we see GSP pull out of the next Hughes fight with another injury! LOL [/quote]

I am actually quite shocked the GSP hasn’t been injured these last 8 or so months.[/quote]

He’s saving it for the Hughes fight! LOL

[quote comment="159716"]Jon Fitch is the only WW fighter than can match up with GSP on an every day basis.[/quote]

agreed

[quote comment="159679"]I love it how people say Matt Serra got lucky.

I watched this again last night, and Matt Serra did not get lucky, he just simply out striked GSP. GSP slipped, got back up, Serra drilled him with a punch made GSP wobble, and then Serra just like any smart MMA fighter, finished the fight.

Its not lucky at all.

I would love to see Serra/GSP II, I think GSP will come at a different approach. I think GSP would attempt to take down Serra this time.

Would be interesting.[/quote]
What would you call it if I told you I hit a small tin can at 400 yards with an open sited .22, skill?…luck? I aimed at it and hit it, I had intent but truthfully could I ever repeat it, extremely doubtful. Serra beat gsp fair and square, but there’s no way in hell he could repeat that performance. It all started with gsp ducking, and serra swinging at the same time. I’m positive the hit to the back of the head, which totally f**ked up gsp’s equalibrium was unintentional, so if it was unintentional how does that equal skill? Serra only looked good after gsp was seriously hurt and couldn’t tell up from down, I could have beaten the s**t out of gsp in that state, why can’t people see that???? No way in hell is serra at gsp’s level striking wise, and if he’s so good why was this his first tko? You don’t become a top striker in a few month’s anyone who knows anything about kick boxing knows it takes years and years to become really good at it. I’ve also seen the fight several times and it would take a hell of a lot more than that to convince me of serra’s stand up prowess, you’ll see what I’m talking about by watching his next 5 fights. I’ve never been impressed by one hit wonders and always go by all the fighters performances to evaluate a fighters skill.

[quote comment="159780"][quote comment="159716"]Jon Fitch is the only WW fighter than can match up with GSP on an every day basis.[/quote]

agreed[/quote]
Definitely disagree, gsp is better that fitch in every possible way.

I can’t believe you guys aren’t giving me any love for finding this video or shall i say these two videoes. Come on big boys, show me some love!

[quote post="3440"]I predict we see GSP pull out of the next Hughes fight with another injury! LOL
I am actually quite shocked the GSP hasn’t been injured these last 8 or so months.
He’s saving it for the Hughes fight! LOL [/quote]

LOLOLOL. That’s something I’d bet on!

THANKS FOR THE VIDEO FARTIN RICKY!!!!! MUCH APPRECIATED

[quote post="3440"]Jon Fitch is the only WW fighter than can match up with GSP on an every day basis.
agreed
Definitely disagree, gsp is better that fitch in every possible way. [/quote]

So in your opinion, who in the current UFC WW roster do you see matching up better with GSP?

We are not saying that Fitch will beat GSP 9 out of 10 times. We are saying that Fitch is currently the toughest opponent that can be put in front of GSP – on a daily basis. Anyone can pull off a fluke win, we’re talking about consistancy – someone that can push GSP to his limits on any day of the week.

[quote comment="159786"][quote comment="159679"]I love it how people say Matt Serra got lucky.

I watched this again last night, and Matt Serra did not get lucky, he just simply out striked GSP. GSP slipped, got back up, Serra drilled him with a punch made GSP wobble, and then Serra just like any smart MMA fighter, finished the fight.

Its not lucky at all.

I would love to see Serra/GSP II, I think GSP will come at a different approach. I think GSP would attempt to take down Serra this time.

Would be interesting.[/quote]
What would you call it if I told you I hit a small tin can at 400 yards with an open sited .22, skill?…luck? I aimed at it and hit it, I had intent but truthfully could I ever repeat it, extremely doubtful. Serra beat gsp fair and square, but there’s no way in hell he could repeat that performance. It all started with gsp ducking, and serra swinging at the same time. I’m positive the hit to the back of the head, which totally f**ked up gsp’s equalibrium was unintentional, so if it was unintentional how does that equal skill? Serra only looked good after gsp was seriously hurt and couldn’t tell up from down, I could have beaten the s**t out of gsp in that state, why can’t people see that???? No way in hell is serra at gsp’s level striking wise, and if he’s so good why was this his first tko? You don’t become a top striker in a few month’s anyone who knows anything about kick boxing knows it takes years and years to become really good at it. I’ve also seen the fight several times and it would take a hell of a lot more than that to convince me of serra’s stand up prowess, you’ll see what I’m talking about by watching his next 5 fights. I’ve never been impressed by one hit wonders and always go by all the fighters performances to evaluate a fighters skill.[/quote]

I dont think one person said Matt Serra had better or even remotely close to the stand up skills of GSP, we all have agreed that we think that GSP is the better fighter 8 out of 10 times. Matt Serra could beat GSP again, just like any fight, Matt Serra could possibly defeat GSP again, you cant say there is “no friggin way” Matt Serra could repeat the performance, because it could easily happen again. Please watch the Matt Serra/Karo fight, Serra is no joke standing up, watch Shonie Carter/Matt Serra I, Matt was doing fine with the stand up. Nobody is saying he has better stand up than GSP I have not seen one person say that.

GSP was clipped in the back of the head the footage was on dailymotion the morning afeter but was removed by the afternoon. I know I wont convince people of this but I seen it so I know. The Matts better enjoy this year, cause early next year one of them gets the Beats Deluxe.

yes thank you Fartin

[quote comment="159806"][quote post="3440"]Jon Fitch is the only WW fighter than can match up with GSP on an every day basis.
agreed
Definitely disagree, gsp is better that fitch in every possible way. [/quote]

So in your opinion, who in the current UFC WW roster do you see matching up better with GSP?

We are not saying that Fitch will beat GSP 9 out of 10 times. We are saying that Fitch is currently the toughest opponent that can be put in front of GSP – on a daily basis. Anyone can pull off a fluke win, we’re talking about consistancy – someone that can push GSP to his limits on any day of the week.[/quote]
Fitch over powered sanchez, big deal, let him fight Hughes,karo,penn or koscheck, I’m not convinced he’s the best next to gsp. Sanchez was the only real big name fitch fought and the fight went back and forth with fitch over powering diego. I got the feeling pound for pound diego was the better fighter but fitch was simply just bigger and stronger than him and it showed. I’m just not on the fitch bandwagon yet and I’m not sure how well he’d fair again Hughes,penn,karo or koscheck, until then I’m not convinced he’s better than those guys.

I agree with nathan on each of his last two posts….well stated.

[quote post="3440"]Fitch over powered sanchez, big deal, let him fight Hughes,karo,penn or koscheck, I’m not convinced he’s the best next to gsp. Sanchez was the only real big name fitch fought and the fight went back and forth with fitch over powering diego. I got the feeling pound for pound diego was the better fighter but fitch was simply just bigger and stronger than him and it showed. I’m just not on the fitch bandwagon yet and I’m not sure how well he’d fair again Hughes,penn,karo or koscheck, until then I’m not convinced he’s better than those guys. [/quote]

The big problem is that the big names in the WW division, such as Hughes,karo,penn and koscheck WOULD NOT TAKE A FIGHT AGAINST JON FITCH. Fitch has been asking for a big name for several fights now, but NO ONE wanted a piece of Fitch. Is this just a coincidence that no one wants to fight him, or is he really that good. I would go with “he’s that good.”

Actually, the only reason Deigo took the fight with Fitch is because after his loss to Kos, he wanted to fight the hardest competition out ther to get back on top. That’s why he took the fight with Fitch.

P.S. BJ would fight anybody out there, but he’s at LW now.

There is nothing I would love more than to see GSP beat the s**t out of Matt Serra.

[quote comment="159810"][quote comment="159786"][quote comment="159679"]I love it how people say Matt Serra got lucky.

I watched this again last night, and Matt Serra did not get lucky, he just simply out striked GSP. GSP slipped, got back up, Serra drilled him with a punch made GSP wobble, and then Serra just like any smart MMA fighter, finished the fight.

Its not lucky at all.

I would love to see Serra/GSP II, I think GSP will come at a different approach. I think GSP would attempt to take down Serra this time.

. Would be interesting.[/quote]
What would you call it if I told you I hit a small tin can at 400 yards with an open sited .22, skill?…luck? I aimed at it and hit it, I had intent but truthfully could I ever repeat it, extremely doubtful. Serra beat gsp fair and square, but there’s no way in hell he could repeat that performance. It all started with gsp ducking, and serra swinging at the same time. I’m positive the hit to the back of the head, which totally f**ked up gsp’s equalibrium was unintentional, so if it was unintentional how does that equal skill? Serra only looked good after gsp was seriously hurt and couldn’t tell up from down, I could have beaten the s**t out of gsp in that state, why can’t people see that???? No way in hell is serra at gsp’s level striking wise, and if he’s so good why was this his first tko? You don’t become a top striker in a few month’s anyone who knows anything about kick boxing knows it takes years and years to become really good at it. I’ve also seen the fight several times and it would take a hell of a lot more than that to convince me of serra’s stand up prowess, you’ll see what I’m talking about by watching his next 5 fights. I’ve never been impressed by one hit wonders and always go by all the fighters performances to evaluate a fighters skill.[/quote]

I dont think one person said Matt Serra had better or even remotely close to the stand up skills of GSP, we all have agreed that we think that GSP is the better fighter 8 out of 10 times. Matt Serra could beat GSP again, just like any fight, Matt Serra could possibly defeat GSP again, you cant say there is “no friggin way” Matt Serra could repeat the performance, because it could easily happen again. Please watch the Matt Serra/Karo fight, Serra is no joke standing up, watch Shonie Carter/Matt Serra I, Matt was doing fine with the stand up. Nobody is saying he has better stand up than GSP I have not seen one person say that.[/quote]
I guess I agree with you and I have watched the serra/karo fight recently and am aware serra has heavy hands and dropped karo within the first 11 seconds of the fight. His most impressive fight to me was the one he had with bj penn and lost by a very close decision, very impressive to me. I still don’t consider serra to valid to 5 fighter, he lacks the consistency and over all skill. Heres who I would consider top 5 over all in the welter weights.
1. gsp is the most well rounded and is better than any other welter weight in every way other than with submissions.
2. Hughes is too strong for any welter weight other than gsp.
3. penn if he moves up in weight and if he improved his conditioning and strength would rank him number 2.
4. koscheck if a very good wrestler and I think he could out wrestle anyone other than hughes and gsp and is second to gsp for athletic ability.
5. karo is better than ever now and feel is slightly better than fitch and would love to see a match between these two.

[quote comment="159824"][quote post="3440"]Fitch over powered sanchez, big deal, let him fight Hughes,karo,penn or koscheck, I’m not convinced he’s the best next to gsp. Sanchez was the only real big name fitch fought and the fight went back and forth with fitch over powering diego. I got the feeling pound for pound diego was the better fighter but fitch was simply just bigger and stronger than him and it showed. I’m just not on the fitch bandwagon yet and I’m not sure how well he’d fair again Hughes,penn,karo or koscheck, until then I’m not convinced he’s better than those guys. [/quote]

The big problem is that the big names in the WW division, such as Hughes,karo,penn and koscheck WOULD NOT TAKE A FIGHT AGAINST JON FITCH. Fitch has been asking for a big name for several fights now, but NO ONE wanted a piece of Fitch. Is this just a coincidence that no one wants to fight him, or is he really that good. I would go with “he’s that good.”

Actually, the only reason Deigo took the fight with Fitch is because after his loss to Kos, he wanted to fight the hardest competition out ther to get back on top. That’s why he took the fight with Fitch.

P.S. BJ would fight anybody out there, but he’s at LW now.[/quote]
Karo won’t fight him??? I doubt that, kos if he ever wants to be champ should change camps or weight classes, whats he thinking???

[quote comment="159716"]Jon Fitch is the only WW fighter than can match up with GSP on an every day basis.[/quote]

i agree, i think that is the first defense gsp is gonna have once he gets his belt back…both of those guys are just such bad match ups for everyone else in the division because of their size and talent levels…

[quote comment="159777"][quote post="3440"]But I think they will give Koscheck possibly Luke Cummo which would be interesting to witness. [/quote]

i’d rather see luke’s next fight be against marcus davis, i think that would be a better fight to watch, those guys match up a little better…for koscheck, i think after his loss to gsp the ufc should give him someone he should beat but still has talent, maybe a newcomer with an undefeated or really strong record…i think once karo wins his next fight him and fitch are destined for a #1 contender match early spring next year, maybe on the same ppv as gsp/matt, then those two winners would fight sometime in the summer…

[quote comment="159838"][quote comment="159810"][quote comment="159786"][quote comment="159679"]I love it how people say Matt Serra got lucky.

I watched this again last night, and Matt Serra did not get lucky, he just simply out striked GSP. GSP slipped, got back up, Serra drilled him with a punch made GSP wobble, and then Serra just like any smart MMA fighter, finished the fight.

Its not lucky at all.

I would love to see Serra/GSP II, I think GSP will come at a different approach. I think GSP would attempt to take down Serra this time.

. Would be interesting.[/quote]
What would you call it if I told you I hit a small tin can at 400 yards with an open sited .22, skill?…luck? I aimed at it and hit it, I had intent but truthfully could I ever repeat it, extremely doubtful. Serra beat gsp fair and square, but there’s no way in hell he could repeat that performance. It all started with gsp ducking, and serra swinging at the same time. I’m positive the hit to the back of the head, which totally f**ked up gsp’s equalibrium was unintentional, so if it was unintentional how does that equal skill? Serra only looked good after gsp was seriously hurt and couldn’t tell up from down, I could have beaten the s**t out of gsp in that state, why can’t people see that???? No way in hell is serra at gsp’s level striking wise, and if he’s so good why was this his first tko? You don’t become a top striker in a few month’s anyone who knows anything about kick boxing knows it takes years and years to become really good at it. I’ve also seen the fight several times and it would take a hell of a lot more than that to convince me of serra’s stand up prowess, you’ll see what I’m talking about by watching his next 5 fights. I’ve never been impressed by one hit wonders and always go by all the fighters performances to evaluate a fighters skill.[/quote]

I dont think one person said Matt Serra had better or even remotely close to the stand up skills of GSP, we all have agreed that we think that GSP is the better fighter 8 out of 10 times. Matt Serra could beat GSP again, just like any fight, Matt Serra could possibly defeat GSP again, you cant say there is “no friggin way” Matt Serra could repeat the performance, because it could easily happen again. Please watch the Matt Serra/Karo fight, Serra is no joke standing up, watch Shonie Carter/Matt Serra I, Matt was doing fine with the stand up. Nobody is saying he has better stand up than GSP I have not seen one person say that.[/quote]
I guess I agree with you and I have watched the serra/karo fight recently and am aware serra has heavy hands and dropped karo within the first 11 seconds of the fight. His most impressive fight to me was the one he had with bj penn and lost by a very close decision, very impressive to me. I still don’t consider serra to valid to 5 fighter, he lacks the consistency and over all skill. Heres who I would consider top 5 over all in the welter weights.
1. gsp is the most well rounded and is better than any other welter weight in every way other than with submissions.
2. Hughes is too strong for any welter weight other than gsp.
3. penn if he moves up in weight and if he improved his conditioning and strength would rank him number 2.
4. koscheck if a very good wrestler and I think he could out wrestle anyone other than hughes and gsp and is second to gsp for athletic ability.
5. karo is better than ever now and feel is slightly better than fitch and would love to see a match between these two.[/quote]

I dunno, Matt Serra could possibly be in the top 5 of the Welterweights.

Look, Matt Serra has greatly improved since his loss to Karo. I think his tim on TUF4 greatly improved his performance. I honestly think if you matched up GSP and Matt Serra a year and a half ago, GSP would of finished Serra in 2 minutes.

But I think Serra has shown great improvement in his all around game to be considered in the top 5.

Here is my list of top 10 welterweights.

1.) Georges “Rush” St. Pierre
2.) Matt Hughes
3.) Karo “The Heat” Parysian
4.) Matt “The Terror” Serra
5.) Jon Fitch
6.) Thiago Alves
7.) Josh Koscheck
8.) Deigo “Nightmare” Sanchez
9.) Marcus “The Irish Hand Grenade” Davis
10.) Mike “Quick” Swick

If BJ Penn where to enter 170 again, he would be number 3.

I think Serra has greatly improved, but that is watching his fighter with GSP.

St. Pierre would likely defeat Hughes, Shogun and Fedor in the same night. then he would drink wine and eat poutine in the centre of the octagon. excellent.

Would pay 2x as much for a PPV event if I could watch St Pierre and Hughes tag team against Serra – I dont care to what result as long as Serra doesn’t get a chance to grab Rogan’s mic after the match…then he can go eat italian sausage in the centre of the octagonal structure contemplating his future at 170. Does anyone see Sera beating even the likes of Diego, KOS, or Fitch? Put Huerta in there with him!

This wait sucks! This season of TUF better be the best one ever, having a marketable fighter like Georges on the side lines doesn’t sense or cents I don’t get it.

On top of being considered one of the pound 4 pound elites, GSP also possess Class, Humbleness, Professionalism and charisma.

Oh! And he’s French Canadian! (The chicks dig that)

But I dont think he could defeat Hughes, Shogun and Fedor in the same night he doesn’t have a cape…yet!

Cummo Vs Kos, I’d take Cummo via sub in the 3rd.

Matt hughes will make gsp his pet

i would like to see a rematch between a healthy diego sanchez and josh koscheck i think it would much more exciting the second time around because diego would be pushing the pace.

Urijha Faber would beat Serra.
So I don’t know how to spell hs name get over it.

I dont like Serra at all .but i give himall the credit in the world for beating GSP fair and square.. having said that he was LUCKY… I dont mean it was a lucky punch i just mean that 9 times out of 10 GSP wins that matchup… If Serra gets passed Hughes.. which i dont think he will.. well see if hes as good as he thinks he is.

[quote comment="159734"]Koscheck looking for an opponent in December. How about Jon Fitch!

Winner can face the looser of Serra vs Hughes and winner of that gets the Next Title shot! Just a thought![/quote]

That would be cool, but they wouldn’t accept to face each other. That rarely happens when both fighter train together. They just don’t do it

[quote comment="159780"][quote comment="159716"]Jon Fitch is the only WW fighter than can match up with GSP on an every day basis.[/quote]

agreed[/quote]
Dang man, I like Fitch alot, but I dunno how he has gotten that high on your guyss list so quick. Beating Josh Burkman and Diego Sanchez dosnt put you at GSP’s level. Maybe it was teh temporary sponser ship of him by this site. Who knows….

[quote comment="159875"]St. Pierre would likely defeat Hughes, Shogun and Fedor in the same night. then he would drink wine and eat poutine in the centre of the octagon. excellent.[/quote]
HAHAHAHAHA

[quote comment="159917"]Urijha Faber would beat Serra.
So I don’t know how to spell hs name get over it.[/quote]

Uriah Faber, some what close on the first name.

[quote comment="159867"][quote comment="159777"][quote post="3440"]But I think they will give Koscheck possibly Luke Cummo which would be interesting to witness. [/quote]

i’d rather see luke’s next fight be against marcus davis, i think that would be a better fight to watch, those guys match up a little better…for koscheck, i think after his loss to gsp the ufc should give him someone he should beat but still has talent, maybe a newcomer with an undefeated or really strong record…i think once karo wins his next fight him and fitch are destined for a #1 contender match early spring next year, maybe on the same ppv as gsp/matt, then those two winners would fight sometime in the summer…[/quote]

Great point! I am a huge Marcus Davis fan (since he trains with Jorge Gurgel) and a Cummo/Davis match would be EXTREMELY entertaining, and plus both were on TUF 2!

You are right, UFC will probably throw a bone to both Koscheck and Deigo since they both have loss.

I mean to be honest, if Deigo stays at 170, I would like to see him fight Mike Swick, but like I just said above, they will probably throw a bone to him.

That or give Koscheck, Dustin Hazelett, because I think if Josh Kosh tries to wrestle Dustin to the ground, Dustin will find a way to submit Josh, because alot of people underestimate the kid from Kentucky.

[quote comment="159955"][quote comment="159875"]St. Pierre would likely defeat Hughes, Shogun and Fedor in the same night. then he would drink wine and eat poutine in the centre of the octagon. excellent.[/quote]
HAHAHAHAHA[/quote]

Man I would love to see GSP vs. Shogun at a weight where they both could agree on. Possibly 185?

Could you imagine how much of an incredible fight that would be?

[quote post="3440"]Hughes will crush Serra and then retire with the strap around his waist in 2-3 years!
He should retire as soon as he wins it that way GSP doesn’t get to knock his block off again.
Yeah, GSP looked real good in the first fight ~ great bjj!
basic whitebelt kimura counter to the armbar.
Gsp was pumped when he fought Hughes the 2nd time, he’s looked mediocre at best since then!
I like GSP too, but i honestly think Hughes will win the rubber match! [/quote]
Care to put some money on that? Chuck has a better chance at Rampage. Hughes can’t take GSP down and he couldn’t strike a match. How is he going to beat him?

[quote comment="159971"][quote comment="159955"][quote comment="159875"]St. Pierre would likely defeat Hughes, Shogun and Fedor in the same night. then he would drink wine and eat poutine in the centre of the octagon. excellent.[/quote]
HAHAHAHAHA[/quote]

Man I would love to see GSP vs. Shogun at a weight where they both could agree on. Possibly 185?

Could you imagine how much of an incredible fight that would be?[/quote]
Just wouldn’t be fair weight wise, there is no way they could be within 25 pounds of each other by fight time.

[quote post="3440"]I loved it when people were saying Hughes is scared of GSP and that he didn’t want to fight him again, well, we’ll see whats up after Hughes takes care of that other guy….I predict we see GSP pull out of the next Hughes fight with another injury! LOL [/quote]
Hughes doesn’t want any part of GSP. Did you notice that shit eating grin from ear to ear on Hughes, when he was saying ,” I love it ,I love it, I love it, when GSP lost to Sera. He knew he had a shot at the title again. To bad it ain’t going to last long because his first defence will be against GSP. That’s assuming he beats Sera and judging by his performance against Lytle, I don’t think it is going to be as easy as some think, because Lytle and Sera are very similar fighters.

[quote post="3440"]I predict we see GSP pull out of the next Hughes fight with another injury! LOL
I am actually quite shocked the GSP hasn’t been injured these last 8 or so months.
He’s saving it for the Hughes fight! LOL
LOLOLOL. That’s something I’d bet on! [/quote]
Come on guys ,the injury thing is getting a bit old. He’s been injured twice in his whole career, just like every other fighter has.

[quote post="3440"]Jon Fitch is the only WW fighter than can match up with GSP on an every day basis.
agreed
Definitely disagree, gsp is better that fitch in every possible way. [/quote]
I’ll second that.

[quote post="3440"]Jon Fitch is the only WW fighter than can match up with GSP on an every day basis.
agreed
Definitely disagree, gsp is better that fitch in every possible way.
So in your opinion, who in the current UFC WW roster do you see matching up better with GSP?
We are not saying that Fitch will beat GSP 9 out of 10 times. We are saying that Fitch is currently the toughest opponent that can be put in front of GSP – on a daily basis. Anyone can pull off a fluke win, we’re talking about consistancy – someone that can push GSP to his limits on any day of the week. [/quote]
Ok, I can’t argue with that.

[quote comment="159979"][quote comment="159971"][quote comment="159955"][quote comment="159875"]St. Pierre would likely defeat Hughes, Shogun and Fedor in the same night. then he would drink wine and eat poutine in the centre of the octagon. excellent.[/quote]
HAHAHAHAHA[/quote]

Man I would love to see GSP vs. Shogun at a weight where they both could agree on. Possibly 185?

Could you imagine how much of an incredible fight that would be?[/quote]
Just wouldn’t be fair weight wise, there is no way they could be within 25 pounds of each other by fight time.[/quote]
how about gsp vs a.silva or hendo at 185. those would be awesome matches. personally i would like to see fitch vs b.j penn. fitch would be stronger, but i would like to see him get out of b.j.s submissions, not so easy as diego’s

damn! im just hearing about huerta vs guida at the next tuf finale! another dream matchup.

[quote comment="159998"][quote comment="159979"][quote comment="159971"][quote comment="159955"][quote comment="159875"]St. Pierre would likely defeat Hughes, Shogun and Fedor in the same night. then he would drink wine and eat poutine in the centre of the octagon. excellent.[/quote]
HAHAHAHAHA[/quote]

Man I would love to see GSP vs. Shogun at a weight where they both could agree on. Possibly 185?

Could you imagine how much of an incredible fight that would be?[/quote]
Just wouldn’t be fair weight wise, there is no way they could be within 25 pounds of each other by fight time.[/quote]
how about gsp vs a.silva or hendo at 185. those would be awesome matches. personally i would like to see fitch vs b.j penn. fitch would be stronger, but i would like to see him get out of b.j.s submissions, not so easy as diego’s[/quote]
I don’t know if he would have a definent advantage in strength, Penn dealth with Hughes’s strenght just fine, and I know Fitch ain’t stronger than Hughes. I think Fitch would have a hard time with that one.

[quote comment="159717"][quote post="3440"]woohoo!! I created a lead!!!! I feel like such a team player.. UFCMANIA RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [/quote]

[quote post="3440"]it is such an honour that i created a lead UFCMANIA RULES!! [/quote]

Heard you the first time fart boy[/quote]

lol thanks tough guy

GSP’s just lucky that BJ PENN is fighting at lightweight at the moment. GSP is an awesome fighter, but he only won against BJ because of the takedowns. Although Penn did gas-out in the fight, he totally dominated and set the pace throughout the fight. With BJ’s new strength and conditioning coach, he will be dangerous.

That show is like 60 minutes on crack.

Does anybody look and listen to matt serra. Northern accent, 5′6″.Youre probably wondering where im going with this.So No one sees Rocky? If thats the case he will beat matt hughes, gsp again, and then he will fight the unstopable russian, Fedor, and win somehow, then he will find he has brain damage which will force him to retirment.
But then he starts training some kid from oklahoma (me), then that kid wins the WW title.But then that kid turns into an @$$ and long story short he losses a street fight to serra. and then serra walks away with Gay music playing.
Just when you thought matt serra was finished he comes back when he’s sixty and fights the WW champion and losses.

(fedor would kill him by the way)
So matt serra should retire.

[quote comment="159734"]Koscheck looking for an opponent in December. How about Jon Fitch!

Winner can face the looser of Serra vs Hughes and winner of that gets the Next Title shot! Just a thought![/quote]

I have brought this up numerous times andbody has even commented on it. I think hat would beone of the better fights in that division. They would put on a wrestling clinic. Could you imagine the transitions in a figth between them t. I think Fitch would outstrike Koscheck. Fitch is mos def the more well rounded fighter.

[quote comment="159995"][quote post="3440"]Jon Fitch is the only WW fighter than can match up with GSP on an every day basis.
agreed
Definitely disagree, gsp is better that fitch in every possible way.
So in your opinion, who in the current UFC WW roster do you see matching up better with GSP?
We are not saying that Fitch will beat GSP 9 out of 10 times. We are saying that Fitch is currently the toughest opponent that can be put in front of GSP – on a daily basis. Anyone can pull off a fluke win, we’re talking about consistancy – someone that can push GSP to his limits on any day of the week. [/quote]
Ok, I can’t argue with that.[/quote]
I think Hughes would be, and Penn when he moves up.

GSP will dominate the WW division for years to come, Matt Hughes should retire after his next ass whooping!

I agree that Serra was lucky to win as far as looking at the two on paper is concerned, but as for what he did in the ring, I would not call that luck at all. GSP decided to stand up and trade with him and came off worse, he got nailed and then finished of by Serra, Karo recovered from his knockdown by Serra, Serra did not give GSP a chance to recover. GSP is one of my favourite fighters, but he lost to the better fighter on the night. Without doubt I would definately say GSP would win more times, but Serra has good stand up and heavy hands and if he hits you it will hurt you. I think if Hughes tries to stand with Serra, he will get knocked out, and I hope that does happen. I don’t mind Serra, but as much as I respect what Hughes has accomplished, I cannot stand him. I would really like to see how he would do against Karo, it’s a pity the UFC robbed him of his chance, and by that I mean him being in the same position as GSP with an injury, but not getting to fight for the title when he recovered where as GSP did.

I just want someone to knock Frenchy out. Go whomever!

[quote comment="160254"]I agree that Serra was lucky to win as far as looking at the two on paper is concerned, but as for what he did in the ring, I would not call that luck at all. GSP decided to stand up and trade with him and came off worse, he got nailed and then finished of by Serra, Karo recovered from his knockdown by Serra, Serra did not give GSP a chance to recover. GSP is one of my favourite fighters, but he lost to the better fighter on the night. Without doubt I would definately say GSP would win more times, but Serra has good stand up and heavy hands and if he hits you it will hurt you. I think if Hughes tries to stand with Serra, he will get knocked out, and I hope that does happen. I don’t mind Serra, but as much as I respect what Hughes has accomplished, I cannot stand him. I would really like to see how he would do against Karo, it’s a pity the UFC robbed him of his chance, and by that I mean him being in the same position as GSP with an injury, but not getting to fight for the title when he recovered where as GSP did.[/quote]
Your making too much of serra’s one freakish performance against gsp, Hughes doesn’t need to be worried about serra’s hands, just like kos didn’t need to be worry about diego’s hands. Diego looked spectacular when he ko’ed riggs, a pretty good boxer himself, and then diego thought he was the next chuck liddel. Then comes the kos/diego fight, diego has the big KO fresh in his mind and looks pathetic all night, kos out strikes him, there both pretty lame on there feet but kos is the more athletic, faster fighter and wins. Liddel has also had several successes with T(ko)’s it has worked for him in the past, it didn’t work against jardine and chuck was exposed. It seems if he can’t get that big Ko there’s not much else he can do, a well rounded fighter would adapt to the fight and try something else that does work, liddel is way too one dimensional. I really see the serra/hughes fight similar to the hughes/lytle fight with serra swinging big bombs looking for the KO and hughes ground and pounding him. I really can’t see serra winning this one because I feel Hughes will go back to basics and go with his strengths, there’s too much to lose if he gets defeated. It may be his last chance to win the belt back and there’s no way he wants to lose to a guy who he doesn’t consider top 10, he would look foolish. Hughes wins by either tko or decision and I think it will be a good fight, but will see I guess.

[quote comment="159953"][quote comment="159780"][quote comment="159716"]Jon Fitch is the only WW fighter than can match up with GSP on an every day basis.[/quote]

agreed[/quote]
Dang man, I like Fitch alot, but I dunno how he has gotten that high on your guyss list so quick. Beating Josh Burkman and Diego Sanchez dosnt put you at GSP’s level. Maybe it was teh temporary sponser ship of him by this site. Who knows….[/quote]
Agreed how is he suddenly better than karo,kos,penn and hughes??? a close fight with a smaller than ever diego isn’t super impressive. I really don’t see fitch as being so dynamic. I really don’t know what you guys are seeing, I see size and strength pulling him through fights he’s hard to submit more because he’s so big and strong. I believe gsp and Hughes are stronger than him with gsp being better in every way and think hughes would dominate him on the ground. I also think kos could out wrestle him and get he win, I think fitch should either fight karo or kos next. I know kos and fitch are buddies but get real, if they both want to be champ one day they can’t have a joint title and hold hands at the top. They either need to change camps or change weight classes.

[quote post="3440"]10.) Mike “Quick” Swick[/quote]

How can you possibly have Mike Swick at #10 of the WW division???? He hasn’t even had a WW fight yet!

[quote post="3440"]Man I would love to see GSP vs. Shogun at a weight where they both could agree on. Possibly 185?
Could you imagine how much of an incredible fight that would be?
Just wouldn’t be fair weight wise, there is no way they could be within 25 pounds of each other by fight time. [/quote]

And you know what, if they fought at 185, I would bet the house on GSP. Shogun showed NOTHING in his last fight against Forrest. I don’t even think that it would be that incredible of a fight, I think that GSP would actually dominate him. I am sooooooooooooooooo dissapointed in Shogun.

[quote post="3440"]Koscheck looking for an opponent in December. How about Jon Fitch!
Winner can face the looser of Serra vs Hughes and winner of that gets the Next Title shot! Just a thought![/quote]

[quote post="3440"]I have brought this up numerous times andbody has even commented on it. I think hat would beone of the better fights in that division. They would put on a wrestling clinic. Could you imagine the transitions in a figth between them t. I think Fitch would outstrike Koscheck. Fitch is mos def the more well rounded fighter. [/quote]

Monkey, MANY people have responded. Also, the answer to this is found in EVERY single thread about Kos or Fitch. Fitch and Kos both train at AKA. Not only that, but they are trainging partners. And, not only that, they are best friends. Unless Fitch sleeps with Kos’ girl or vice a versa, this fight will never happen.

[quote post="3440"]Dang man, I like Fitch alot, but I dunno how he has gotten that high on your guyss list so quick. Beating Josh Burkman and Diego Sanchez dosnt put you at GSP’s level. Maybe it was teh temporary sponser ship of him by this site. Who knows….[/quote]

[quote post="3440"]Agreed how is he suddenly better than karo,kos,penn and hughes??? a close fight with a smaller than ever diego isn’t super impressive. I really don’t see fitch as being so dynamic. I really don’t know what you guys are seeing, I see size and strength pulling him through fights he’s hard to submit more because he’s so big and strong. I believe gsp and Hughes are stronger than him with gsp being better in every way and think hughes would dominate him on the ground. I also think kos could out wrestle him and get he win, I think fitch should either fight karo or kos next. I know kos and fitch are buddies but get real, if they both want to be champ one day they can’t have a joint title and hold hands at the top. They either need to change camps or change weight classes. [/quote]

I think you need to see some more of Fitch’s fights.

Fitch and Karo have 2 common opponents – Diego Sanchez and Josh Burkman.

Karo got DOMINATED by Diego and lost a landslide decision.
Fitch just fought and defeated Diego via decision. And Diego admits that Fitch beat him fair and square – no excuses.

Karo beat Josh Burkman, but needed a decision (as usual) to get the win.
Fitch MAULED Burkamn. Burkman’s face looked like something straight out of a horror movie. Fitch dominated and finished Burkman at the end of round 2.

Karo has not beaten any ‘big’ names, especially as of late. In Karo’s last 7 UFC fights, he is 6-1. He beat Burkan, Drew Fickett, Nick Thompson, Matt Serra, Chris Lytle, and Nick Diaz. The only fight that didn’t go to decision was Nick Thompson. The biggest name on that list is Nick Diaz, and Karo won that fight be a very close split decision.

Fitch is now 7-0 in the UFC. Most people don’t realize this, but Fitch has fought and beat some tough dudes. Did you know that he TKO’d THE PITBUL THIAGO ALVEZ? Fitch is the last peson to beat Alvez. Fitch finished 4 of his fights, and Diego was the only split decision. Fitch’s wins are against DIego, Roan Carneiro, Luigi Fioravanti, Kuniyoshi Hironaka, Thiago ALvez, Josh Burkman, and Brock Larson – who was undefeated at the time with about 20 wins.

So actually, I believe that Fitch should be ranked ABOVE Karo. ANd I think that the two of them should fight toward the beginning of 08 for the #1 contender to fight the winner of Hughes/Serra vs GSP.

I have Fitch ranked 3rd and Karo ranked 6th. I’d like to see them fight for sure. I’d also like to see Marcus Davis fight against Thiago Alves, or another top 10 competitor.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=wbWKG26ebMw

A more recent interview….GSP=Classy fighter. A great imgage for the sport!

Uhh…
GSP- 1
KOS- 2
HUGHES- 3

i love how this gsp thread has gotten so much popularity. Check it out over 90 posts and counting!!!! GSP is the most popular fighter in MMA today!!!

[quote comment="160328"][quote comment="160254"]I agree that Serra was lucky to win as far as looking at the two on paper is concerned, but as for what he did in the ring, I would not call that luck at all. GSP decided to stand up and trade with him and came off worse, he got nailed and then finished of by Serra, Karo recovered from his knockdown by Serra, Serra did not give GSP a chance to recover. GSP is one of my favourite fighters, but he lost to the better fighter on the night. Without doubt I would definately say GSP would win more times, but Serra has good stand up and heavy hands and if he hits you it will hurt you. I think if Hughes tries to stand with Serra, he will get knocked out, and I hope that does happen. I don’t mind Serra, but as much as I respect what Hughes has accomplished, I cannot stand him. I would really like to see how he would do against Karo, it’s a pity the UFC robbed him of his chance, and by that I mean him being in the same position as GSP with an injury, but not getting to fight for the title when he recovered where as GSP did.[/quote]
Your making too much of serra’s one freakish performance against gsp, Hughes doesn’t need to be worried about serra’s hands, just like kos didn’t need to be worry about diego’s hands. Diego looked spectacular when he ko’ed riggs, a pretty good boxer himself, and then diego thought he was the next chuck liddel. Then comes the kos/diego fight, diego has the big KO fresh in his mind and looks pathetic all night, kos out strikes him, there both pretty lame on there feet but kos is the more athletic, faster fighter and wins. Liddel has also had several successes with T(ko)’s it has worked for him in the past, it didn’t work against jardine and chuck was exposed. It seems if he can’t get that big Ko there’s not much else he can do, a well rounded fighter would adapt to the fight and try something else that does work, liddel is way too one dimensional. I really see the serra/hughes fight similar to the hughes/lytle fight with serra swinging big bombs looking for the KO and hughes ground and pounding him. I really can’t see serra winning this one because I feel Hughes will go back to basics and go with his strengths, there’s too much to lose if he gets defeated. It may be his last chance to win the belt back and there’s no way he wants to lose to a guy who he doesn’t consider top 10, he would look foolish. Hughes wins by either tko or decision and I think it will be a good fight, but will see I guess.[/quote]

I am not making that much out of Serra’s win at all. He beat GSP fair and square by getting the better punches in first and then finishing the fight. GSP is without doubt a better all round fighter than Serra, but if you get hit first, being better sometimes doesn’t help. I simply beleive Serra stand up is better than Hughes’s stand up. Serra has proved that he has striking skills on many occasions, in particular the Karo fight. Hughes as far as I’m concerned has not proved anything in his stand up apart from being destroyed by GSP when he made an attempt at it. I know Serra is probably not a better fighter than Hughes but I definately believe Serras’ stand up is better, and he will take out Hughes if Hughes tries to stand with him. I find it pretty ridiculous that you use the Diego v Koscheck as your example when everybody knows why Diego was fighting as badly as he did, you are obviously a Diego hater otherwise you would have realised that was a pretty pathetic example. And as far as the Hughes v Lytle fight is concerned that was nearly as painful to watch as the Diego / Koschek fight, and if that is the Hughes that turns up to fight Serra, he will definately be going home without the belt.

[quote comment="160392"][quote post="3440"]Dang man, I like Fitch alot, but I dunno how he has gotten that high on your guyss list so quick. Beating Josh Burkman and Diego Sanchez dosnt put you at GSP’s level. Maybe it was teh temporary sponser ship of him by this site. Who knows….[/quote]

[quote post="3440"]Agreed how is he suddenly better than karo,kos,penn and hughes??? a close fight with a smaller than ever diego isn’t super impressive. I really don’t see fitch as being so dynamic. I really don’t know what you guys are seeing, I see size and strength pulling him through fights he’s hard to submit more because he’s so big and strong. I believe gsp and Hughes are stronger than him with gsp being better in every way and think hughes would dominate him on the ground. I also think kos could out wrestle him and get he win, I think fitch should either fight karo or kos next. I know kos and fitch are buddies but get real, if they both want to be champ one day they can’t have a joint title and hold hands at the top. They either need to change camps or change weight classes. [/quote]

I think you need to see some more of Fitch’s fights.

Fitch and Karo have 2 common opponents – Diego Sanchez and Josh Burkman.

Karo got DOMINATED by Diego and lost a landslide decision.
Fitch just fought and defeated Diego via decision. And Diego admits that Fitch beat him fair and square – no excuses.

Karo beat Josh Burkman, but needed a decision (as usual) to get the win.
Fitch MAULED Burkamn. Burkman’s face looked like something straight out of a horror movie. Fitch dominated and finished Burkman at the end of round 2.

Karo has not beaten any ‘big’ names, especially as of late. In Karo’s last 7 UFC fights, he is 6-1. He beat Burkan, Drew Fickett, Nick Thompson, Matt Serra, Chris Lytle, and Nick Diaz. The only fight that didn’t go to decision was Nick Thompson. The biggest name on that list is Nick Diaz, and Karo won that fight be a very close split decision.

Fitch is now 7-0 in the UFC. Most people don’t realize this, but Fitch has fought and beat some tough dudes. Did you know that he TKO’d THE PITBUL THIAGO ALVEZ? Fitch is the last peson to beat Alvez. Fitch finished 4 of his fights, and Diego was the only split decision. Fitch’s wins are against DIego, Roan Carneiro, Luigi Fioravanti, Kuniyoshi Hironaka, Thiago ALvez, Josh Burkman, and Brock Larson – who was undefeated at the time with about 20 wins.

So actually, I believe that Fitch should be ranked ABOVE Karo. ANd I think that the two of them should fight toward the beginning of 08 for the #1 contender to fight the winner of Hughes/Serra vs GSP.[/quote]

Well said….totally agree! I still think they will give Fitch the loser of Hughes/Serra. If he wins that one, which I think he will, he would get the winner of GSP vs Hughes/Serra Winner for the belt. I don’t how much fighting Karo would do for his shot at a belt. He’s 7-0 in the UFC and he’s due a title shot. If he fights Karo and wins, he would still probably need to beat Hughes, Serra or GSP…so what’s the point? Knowing Fitch though…if that’s what they offer him, he’ll take the fight like a true pro! He’s the busiest fighter in MMA right now. Watch his fights…the guy doesn’t take a round off.

[quote comment="160690"][quote comment="160392"][quote post="3440"]Dang man, I like Fitch alot, but I dunno how he has gotten that high on your guyss list so quick. Beating Josh Burkman and Diego Sanchez dosnt put you at GSP’s level. Maybe it was teh temporary sponser ship of him by this site. Who knows….[/quote]

[quote post="3440"]Agreed how is he suddenly better than karo,kos,penn and hughes??? a close fight with a smaller than ever diego isn’t super impressive. I really don’t see fitch as being so dynamic. I really don’t know what you guys are seeing, I see size and strength pulling him through fights he’s hard to submit more because he’s so big and strong. I believe gsp and Hughes are stronger than him with gsp being better in every way and think hughes would dominate him on the ground. I also think kos could out wrestle him and get he win, I think fitch should either fight karo or kos next. I know kos and fitch are buddies but get real, if they both want to be champ one day they can’t have a joint title and hold hands at the top. They either need to change camps or change weight classes. [/quote]

I think you need to see some more of Fitch’s fights.

Fitch and Karo have 2 common opponents – Diego Sanchez and Josh Burkman.

Karo got DOMINATED by Diego and lost a landslide decision.
Fitch just fought and defeated Diego via decision. And Diego admits that Fitch beat him fair and square – no excuses.

Karo beat Josh Burkman, but needed a decision (as usual) to get the win.
Fitch MAULED Burkamn. Burkman’s face looked like something straight out of a horror movie. Fitch dominated and finished Burkman at the end of round 2.

Karo has not beaten any ‘big’ names, especially as of late. In Karo’s last 7 UFC fights, he is 6-1. He beat Burkan, Drew Fickett, Nick Thompson, Matt Serra, Chris Lytle, and Nick Diaz. The only fight that didn’t go to decision was Nick Thompson. The biggest name on that list is Nick Diaz, and Karo won that fight be a very close split decision.

Fitch is now 7-0 in the UFC. Most people don’t realize this, but Fitch has fought and beat some tough dudes. Did you know that he TKO’d THE PITBUL THIAGO ALVEZ? Fitch is the last peson to beat Alvez. Fitch finished 4 of his fights, and Diego was the only split decision. Fitch’s wins are against DIego, Roan Carneiro, Luigi Fioravanti, Kuniyoshi Hironaka, Thiago ALvez, Josh Burkman, and Brock Larson – who was undefeated at the time with about 20 wins.

So actually, I believe that Fitch should be ranked ABOVE Karo. ANd I think that the two of them should fight toward the beginning of 08 for the #1 contender to fight the winner of Hughes/Serra vs GSP.[/quote]

Well said….totally agree! I still think they will give Fitch the loser of Hughes/Serra. If he wins that one, which I think he will, he would get the winner of GSP vs Hughes/Serra Winner for the belt. I don’t how much fighting Karo would do for his shot at a belt. He’s 7-0 in the UFC and he’s due a title shot. If he fights Karo and wins, he would still probably need to beat Hughes, Serra or GSP…so what’s the point? Knowing Fitch though…if that’s what they offer him, he’ll take the fight like a true pro! He’s the busiest fighter in MMA right now. Watch his fights…the guy doesn’t take a round off.[/quote]
Were does this leave kos in this, by ranking fitch SHOULD fight kos not karo who diego beat. I know there bum chum’s but they need to switch camps, put there man love on the self and fight like men. I think it would be a good fight and could see kos pulling off the win. Kos got humiliated by gsp and for sure would be working on his wrestling and I really can’t see fitch out wrestling kos. Its stupid to chum up with someone in the same weight class because you may have to fight them one day, kos either has to decide….winning the belt or man love.

Or to move up to middle weight, so he can remain lovers.

[quote comment="160638"]i love how this gsp thread has gotten so much popularity. Check it out over 90 posts and counting!!!! GSP is the most popular fighter in MMA today!!![/quote]
i dont know about the most popular right now, but he’s getting there. i think him and b.j. can be the the first really big crossover stars, where the will be mentioned along with sports biggest names in the nfl, mlb, and nba. chuck was close but slipped. these two will get there in a while and probably randy too!

[quote comment="159869"][quote comment="159838"][quote comment="159810"][quote comment="159786"][quote comment="159679"]I love it how people say Matt Serra got lucky.

I watched this again last night, and Matt Serra did not get lucky, he just simply out striked GSP. GSP slipped, got back up, Serra drilled him with a punch made GSP wobble, and then Serra just like any smart MMA fighter, finished the fight.

Its not lucky at all.

I would love to see Serra/GSP II, I think GSP will come at a different approach. I think GSP would attempt to take down Serra this time.

. Would be interesting.[/quote]
What would you call it if I told you I hit a small tin can at 400 yards with an open sited .22, skill?…luck? I aimed at it and hit it, I had intent but truthfully could I ever repeat it, extremely doubtful. Serra beat gsp fair and square, but there’s no way in hell he could repeat that performance. It all started with gsp ducking, and serra swinging at the same time. I’m positive the hit to the back of the head, which totally f**ked up gsp’s equalibrium was unintentional, so if it was unintentional how does that equal skill? Serra only looked good after gsp was seriously hurt and couldn’t tell up from down, I could have beaten the s**t out of gsp in that state, why can’t people see that???? No way in hell is serra at gsp’s level striking wise, and if he’s so good why was this his first tko? You don’t become a top striker in a few month’s anyone who knows anything about kick boxing knows it takes years and years to become really good at it. I’ve also seen the fight several times and it would take a hell of a lot more than that to convince me of serra’s stand up prowess, you’ll see what I’m talking about by watching his next 5 fights. I’ve never been impressed by one hit wonders and always go by all the fighters performances to evaluate a fighters skill.[/quote]

I dont think one person said Matt Serra had better or even remotely close to the stand up skills of GSP, we all have agreed that we think that GSP is the better fighter 8 out of 10 times. Matt Serra could beat GSP again, just like any fight, Matt Serra could possibly defeat GSP again, you cant say there is “no friggin way” Matt Serra could repeat the performance, because it could easily happen again. Please watch the Matt Serra/Karo fight, Serra is no joke standing up, watch Shonie Carter/Matt Serra I, Matt was doing fine with the stand up. Nobody is saying he has better stand up than GSP I have not seen one person say that.[/quote]
I guess I agree with you and I have watched the serra/karo fight recently and am aware serra has heavy hands and dropped karo within the first 11 seconds of the fight. His most impressive fight to me was the one he had with bj penn and lost by a very close decision, very impressive to me. I still don’t consider serra to valid to 5 fighter, he lacks the consistency and over all skill. Heres who I would consider top 5 over all in the welter weights.
1. gsp is the most well rounded and is better than any other welter weight in every way other than with submissions.
2. Hughes is too strong for any welter weight other than gsp.
3. penn if he moves up in weight and if he improved his conditioning and strength would rank him number 2.
4. koscheck if a very good wrestler and I think he could out wrestle anyone other than hughes and gsp and is second to gsp for athletic ability.
5. karo is better than ever now and feel is slightly better than fitch and would love to see a match between these two.[/quote]

I dunno, Matt Serra could possibly be in the top 5 of the Welterweights.

Look, Matt Serra has greatly improved since his loss to Karo. I think his tim on TUF4 greatly improved his performance. I honestly think if you matched up GSP and Matt Serra a year and a half ago, GSP would of finished Serra in 2 minutes.

But I think Serra has shown great improvement in his all around game to be considered in the top 5.

Here is my list of top 10 welterweights.

1.) Georges “Rush” St. Pierre
2.) Matt Hughes
3.) Karo “The Heat” Parysianmy
4.) Matt “The Terror” Serra
5.) Jon Fitch
6.) Thiago Alves
7.) Josh Koscheck
8.) Deigo “Nightmare” Sanchez
9.) Marcus “The Irish Hand Grenade” Davis
10.) Mike “Quick” Swick

If BJ Penn where to enter 170 again, he would be number 3.

I think Serra has greatly improved, but that is watching his fighter with GSP.[/quote]
My top 10 list:
1) GSP
2) Matt Hughes
3) Jon Fitch (agree Penn goes here if he was still WW
4) Karo Parysian
5) Josh Kozcheck
6) Diego Sanchez
7) Marcus Davis
Mike Schwik (could be higher but need to see him at WW first)
9) Matt Serra (only makes top 10 cause Penn moved weight classes and Nick Diaz is no longer in UFC)
10) Thiago Alves

[quote post="3440"]i dont know about the most popular right now, but he’s getting there. i think him and b.j. can be the the first really big crossover stars, where the will be mentioned along with sports biggest names in the nfl, mlb, and nba. chuck was close but slipped. these two will get there in a while and probably randy too! [/quote]

I’d have to disagree with the crossover part. Randy is starring in an upcoming movie, ‘The Scorpion King’, and he has a role in a TV show, ‘The Unit’. You are right that Chuck had crossed over pretty well. He was/is all over ESPN whenever he fights, and I loved the episode of ‘Entourage’ that he was in. Right now, Rampage is the UFC fighter on the up and up as far as crossing over. Rampage is now the fighter that is ALWAYS on ESPN. I mean, you can’t even compare Rampage’s and GSP’s personalities. LOL, that’s actually pretty funny! I would put Rampage far ahead of GSP and BJ as far as ‘crossing over star potential’ is conerned.

[quote comment="161099"][quote post="3440"]i dont know about the most popular right now, but he’s getting there. i think him and b.j. can be the the first really big crossover stars, where the will be mentioned along with sports biggest names in the nfl, mlb, and nba. chuck was close but slipped. these two will get there in a while and probably randy too! [/quote]

I’d have to disagree with the crossover part. Randy is starring in an upcoming movie, ‘The Scorpion King’, and he has a role in a TV show, ‘The Unit’. You are right that Chuck had crossed over pretty well.

He was/is all over ESPN whenever he fights, and I loved the episode of ‘Entourage’ that he was in. Right now, Rampage is the UFC fighter on the up and up as far as crossing over. Rampage is now the fighter that is ALWAYS on ESPN. I mean, you can’t even compare Rampage’s and GSP’s personalities. LOL, that’s actually pretty funny! I would put Rampage far ahead of GSP and BJ as far as ‘crossing over star potential’ is conerned.[/quote]
your right i forgot about rampage. w/ his humor and personality he is probably the ufc,s biggest star right now. i just dont know how long he can stay champ w/ so many good fighters at lhw. forrest is another who could be a big star, hes pretty witty as well. i still think gsp and b.j. are the future big name stars.

Does anyone else want to see a kos vs karo or karo vs fitch or fitch vs kos fight? I sure do. I know diego beat karo but karo impressed me with his last fight and I think he’s a better fighter now than he was back then, and diego isn’t the same, I think he’s worse. I would like to see kos vs karo then the winner of that fight gets fitch, and the winner of that one gets a title shot. Some seem to think fitch should get an immediate title shot, I don’t and feel these three guys need to duke it out for the number one contender after gsp. Someone mentioned that Jon Fitch has trouble getting a top fighter to fight him, why would someone ranked much higher than him WANT to fight a lower ranked fighter? What does a guy ranked number 2 or 3 have to gain by fighting a guy ranked 8 or 9? Fitch has everything to gain not the higher ranked fighter. I would be very interested to see who comes out on top of these three guys, and if kos refuses to fight fitch I really don’t know where it leave these guys.

KOS and Fitch will fight or they’ll fight somewhere else, just like Jardine and Evans. GSP has evolved into a much more dynamic grappler, watch him against Jay Hieron he shot for a takedown and got stuffed easily, his sprawls are freakess based on his flexibility. If Hughes takes him down it’s off of a leg trip from the clinch. GSP is a brown belt now and has alot of time to prepare for whoever. Hughes only chance is to find the KO power from somewhere and get precise with it. His bread and butter takedowns grappling were dominant against fighters that weren’t on his physical level. BJ has his number and so does GSP. I’m confident that he’ll beat Serra for the sole reason that Serra is too emotionally involved in their match up.

[quote post="3440"]woohoo!! I created a lead!!!! I feel like such a team player.. UFCMANIA RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

it is such an honour that i created a lead UFCMANIA RULES!! [/quote]

Would you like a trophy ?? or a cookie ??

Top five list

1) GSP
2) Fitch
3) Koro
4) Marcus Davis ( hell of a chin )
5) Diego if he drops

MAtt and Matt both cant cut it . I hope they both retire when Gsp bitch smacks them .

[quote comment="159716"]Jon Fitch is the only WW fighter than can match up with GSP on an every day basis.[/quote]
dude john fitch is no where near GSP’s striking abilities, not too mention he beat josh koshcheck a “”phenomenal wrestler”" sum say, at his own game, your crazy if you think that fitch is better than GSP at anything; not striking, not wrestling and even BJJ.

[quote comment="166624"][quote comment="159716"]Jon Fitch is the only WW fighter than can match up with GSP on an every day basis.[/quote]
dude john fitch is no where near GSP’s striking abilities, not too mention he beat josh koshcheck a “”phenomenal wrestler”" sum say, at his own game, your crazy if you think that fitch is better than GSP at anything; not striking, not wrestling and even BJJ.[/quote]
amen.

I don’t think GSP is the best ww, I think people are going to find that serra is going to be one of the toughest ww’s there is. In my opinion.

[quote comment="159679"]I love it how people say Matt Serra got lucky.

I watched this again last night, and Matt Serra did not get lucky, he just simply out striked GSP. GSP slipped, got back up, Serra drilled him with a punch made GSP wobble, and then Serra just like any smart MMA fighter, finished the fight.

Its not lucky at all.

I would love to see Serra/GSP II, I think GSP will come at a different approach. I think GSP would attempt to take down Serra this time.

Would be interesting.[/quote]

GSP will out strike him if they fight again. If you really watched the fight, you would see a punch in the back of the head followed by one to the neck when GSP was against the fence. Both illegal shots. He’s just lucky that neither was called.

I would still like to see Carter land just one more of those spinning backfist’s…lol…That would so suck for Serra

Looks like Matt is pulling out all the stops to beat Serra. He has even pumped up his nutritionals. Came across his testimonial on a nutritox site. What’s up with that?

Can someone tell me where this seemingly 1 sided fued between Hughes and Serra came from? I haven’t heard Hughes talk shit unless in response to a Serra comment. Are they making Serra look like a loud mouth for ratings sake? Honestly guys, confused on this one. Gimmee the background please.

[quote comment="178441"]Can someone tell me where this seemingly 1 sided fued between Hughes and Serra came from? I haven’t heard Hughes talk shit unless in response to a Serra comment. Are they making Serra look like a loud mouth for ratings sake? Honestly guys, confused on this one. Gimmee the background please.[

I think matt hughes said it best, hes has the small man complex…And I guess callin Hughes a dick every 5 minutes makes him feel better about himself. I think with all the trash Serra is talkin hes setting himself to be embarrassed, i think hughes is gonna make him eat his words.