What happened to the “win” part of the salary? $14,000 to show and $14,000 to win. Anyone know?

Chuck now needs to put that cash in a real good savings account… He probably won’t be seeing too many paydays like that any more, unless he diversifies his strategy quite a bit.

[quote comment=”158911″]What happened to the “win” part of the salary? $14,000 to show and $14,000 to win. Anyone know?[/quote]

Your page might be cached. They are listed.

How come you never report which fight was fight of the night or submission of the night and all those other bonus’s?

My bad, I just read that you did post bonus’s.

I think Chuck got ripped off. He should’ve got a bigger purse. I think they should have given him Diego Saraiva’s purse & a Louis Vuitton purse too.

How come machida got a bonus for remaining unbeaten and Fitch didn’t?

Jimbo, Machida didnt get a bonus. I believe he was just stating that he did stay undefeated while winning. Also, Fitch isnt undefeated. Well, in the UFC he is, but stil.

Wow, Jardine’s pay is a disgrace. He made the same as Wellisch, for God’s sake!

[quote comment=”158932″]Wow, Jardine’s pay is a disgrace. He made the same as Wellisch, for God’s sake![/quote]

Jardine beat the highest paid fighter and got ZERO BONUS!!!

Jardine is under an old contract, and until the last few fights hadn’t fought any big opponents; I am sure when his next negotiations occur we will see a significant increase in the pay

For all those who are questioning Chuck’s pay, you clearly don’t know what it takes to run a business and make money. Its about popularity and marketability. Jardine will never earn that much.

Have a look at Tito, shit performances of late but look at his earnings. People want to see him, either win and get back on track or see him get his ass kicked.

If Babalu’s management are smart, they will be basking for $100,000K next fight, everyone will want to see his next match. Joking our David Heath is the smartest business decision he made.

clearly, that was meant to be ‘be asking’

gotta love contracts & hate em, if your Dana White….

What was Dana’s take home for the night. A few cool mill?? Once again…Dana really taking it to the man (in this case the fighters). Yeah that’s nice Forrest got that big bonus, bot his contract was s$it to Shogun’s who couldn’t hold a candle up to him on Sat night.

These purses and salaries are a discrage….They shouldn’t go in to a ring and beat the tar out of each other for the value they get from their shorts/sponsors. The UFC needs to man up and start paying because I think a guy named Cuban might pony up just a bit.

the reason jardine and koscheck from 74 are getting such low prices is because these guys never won the ultimate fighter.. and are still under the contract they started when the ufc signed them after the show. Once they are finished their contract they will be making a lot more. I am sick of hearing this though, they are all under contract from 2 years ago.

Oh the joys of monopoly! In fact I can picture Dana in the suit, hat and eyeglass. LOL

Good that Dana gave out performance bonuses…
Anyone know what Forrest’s contract situation is? I heard this was the last fight on his contract.. 22k to fight for such a crowd drawer is crazy. Plus Tavares’ purse is a bit low…

How the hell Jardine gets paid only 14G and the loser gets half a mil? He put on a good fight and beat Chuck fair and square and walk off with a lousy 14G and Chuck gets more because he’s a legend of UFC but it would make sense if an underdog beat a legend will automatically get paid alot more money than 14G. I would say give Jardine 200G and give Liddel 175G.

Forrest should be getting more like 40-60k a fight bonuses if he continues fighting like he did on Sat.

[quote comment=”158981″]How the hell Jardine gets paid only 14G and the loser gets half a mil? He put on a good fight and beat Chuck fair and square and walk off with a lousy 14G and Chuck gets more because he’s a legend of UFC but it would make sense if an underdog beat a legend will automatically get paid alot more money than 14G. I would say give Jardine 200G and give Liddel 175G.[/quote]
If it weren’t for Chuck Liddell, that PPV would have lost about 65-75% of the people that bought it. Without a big name like one of the most popular fighters in MMA… no one would have cared. And there is NO WAY that Jardine is worth 100G a fight.
Its all about who draws the crowds vs. who wins.

[quote comment=”158982″]Forrest should be getting more like 40-60k a fight
bonuses if he continues fighting like he did on Sat.[/quote]Forrest is a huge fan favorite… he brings and has brought a lot of people to the UFC. Yeah, 40-60k is just about fair.

[quote comment=”158981″]How the hell Jardine gets paid only 14G and the loser gets half a mil? He put on a good fight and beat Chuck fair and square and walk off with a lousy 14G and Chuck gets more because he’s a legend of UFC but it would make sense if an underdog beat a legend will automatically get paid alot more money than 14G. I would say give Jardine 200G and give Liddel 175G.[/quote]

Jardine should have just waited for Liddell in the parking lot, kicked his ass again and took his $500k check!

[quote comment=”158925″]How come machida got a bonus for remaining unbeaten and Fitch didn’t?[/quote]

You read it incorrectly. He recieved $25,000 for showing up and another $25,000 for winning the fight and remaining unbeaten. There was no bonus for being undefeated, just for winning. Had he not won, he would not receive the bonus or remained unbeaten.

It’s crazy that Matt Wiman made more money than Jardine. Beating chuck liddell sounds like something you’d get more than $14k for.

These payouts are obsurd. these fighters kill themselves for what I make a month,,,it is funny to think I made almost as much as Keith Jardine,, and I didnt have chuck punching me in the face. If you look at what they take in at the gate , promotions, advertising, PPV dollars they probably made 60 cool mill on these fighters backs! I think all fighters are due for a huge increase including the top fighters to the bottom tier fighters… these guys cannot afford health insurance ,, god forbid anything go wrong during training. I almost canèt stomach this sport crooked side, Dana whote should get a spiked wig and stark talking in rhymes

Hey UFC Mania…heres a snip from Liddell’s myspace page, he posted a new bullettin. See below:

TO ALL MY FANS AND FRIENDS!!
Hi all,

I know many of you are disappointed in my performance as I am too. I train very hard for every fight, and I took this one very serious as well. I am obviously pissed about it and I plan on getting back to the gym very shortly so I can get better focused. Thank you for your continued support, your the best fans out there. Please do not respond to this post as I cannot possibly read all the e-mails I receive from here. I do have better correspondence on my MMAJACKED website. Register and shoot me e-mails from there and I will do my best to get back at you. FYI the store is now up and there will be many new videos this week, enjoy. Thanks Again,

Chuck “The Iceman” Liddell

looks like hes not retiring just yet…

$954,000 was the total fighter payroll and chuck liddell got more have that alone. I wouldn’t want to retire.

No wonder Jardine won, he had to , He needed the extra $7000 just so he could have almost enough food for the next 4 months. Pathetic salary for someone who has proven himself and beat the former champ.

Yea I agree some of the payouts for different fighters are a little catiwampis, but you all seem to forget a very important fact. Where would the UFC be if it weren’t for Dana White. He pulled this sport out of bankrupt, did the marketing, promoting and televising and worked very hard doing it. He has single handedly created the fastest growing sport in the world and made it possible for these fighters to make 6,000, 10,000, 16,000, 44,000 etc, compared to the (if they where lucky) 1,000 to 5,000 to fight 10 minute, injury inflickting, bare knuckle unskilled brawls, only to go back to their 9 to 5 Monday morning. He should be bringing home the cake. Lay off Dana, he is the Godfather of the sport.

For the amount Shogun Rua got for Forrest Griffin, I would of done that for half the price.. geeze!

[quote comment=”159041″]These payouts are obsurd. these fighters kill themselves for what I make a month,,,it is funny to think I made almost as much as Keith Jardine,, and I didnt have chuck punching me in the face. If you look at what they take in at the gate , promotions, advertising, PPV dollars they probably made 60 cool mill on these fighters backs! I think all fighters are due for a huge increase including the top fighters to the bottom tier fighters… these guys cannot afford health insurance ,, god forbid anything go wrong during training. I almost canèt stomach this sport crooked side, Dana whote should get a spiked wig and stark talking in rhymes[/quote]

Your saying you make about 14K a month…wow man what do you do where you make that much money and type so horribly! LOL!!!
Good point though, and I think that love or hate him you’ve got to see now that Tito Ortiz is good for the sport. He isn’t just trying to make sure that he is getting paid enough (although I’m sure it’s priority 1) but he is trying to push this idea of not underpaying the fighters! I could see him retiring and becoming a great manager and even possibly setting up something like what other pro athletes have in their respective sports. A way to get involved more with the contracts and bonuses and everything. That would help out with all the Dana haters out there too!!

Wow!

I really hate you people who complain about the paychecks, as though Dana and the Fertittas are just pocketing the profit. They have taken baths on each of the European cards this year. They are putting the profit back into growing the business, which in the long run will reward the fighters much more.

I cant wait til Mark Cuban gets into this market and starts paying these guys what they deserve.That pay is a joke when I pony up forty bucks each pay per view!!!UFC watch out!!Oh and by the way, I bet Cuban can get Fedor..

[quote comment=”159126″]I really hate you people who complain about the paychecks, as though Dana and the Fertittas are just pocketing the profit. They have taken baths on each of the European cards this year. They are putting the profit back into growing the business, which in the long run will reward the fighters much more.[/quote]

Who is this Dana? your a sucker if you think thier not banking

everyone should be getting at least 50 grand a fight and main event winners shud get more than 14 grand. UFC fighters should start a union and strike for better pay. It could definately work since dana couldnt make much money without his current fighters.

They do make money in other ways. But kieth did make shitty money. He went into the fight with 7,000. That probably didnt pay for the hospitle bill.

does anyone know if the fighters are paid a salary by the ufc throughout the year. if not then this is ridiculus, i remember seeing leonard garcia get aid 2000 for a fight, how is he supposed to live on that?

[quote comment=”159255″]does anyone know if the fighters are paid a salary by the ufc throughout the year. if not then this is ridiculus, i remember seeing leonard garcia get aid 2000 for a fight, how is he supposed to live on that?[/quote]

No, they dont get a salary..

[quote comment=”158935″][quote comment=”158932″]Wow, Jardine’s pay is a disgrace. He made the same as Wellisch, for God’s sake![/quote]

Jardine beat the highest paid fighter and got ZERO BONUS!!![/quote]
The UFC and any other org for that matter (even boxing) doesnt pay for how good you fight or who you beat.

They pay for how many people you put in the seats.

Just business i guess.

[quote comment=”159033″]It’s crazy that Matt Wiman made more money than Jardine. Beating chuck liddell sounds like something you’d get more than $14k for.[/quote]
They didnt want to encourage Jardine…

CHUCK vs. WANDERLEI was supposed to happen.

Forrest won Sub of the Night so he got $84K ($44K to show and win and 40K for the Sub of the Night)

Tavares and Griffin won for Fight of the Night so they each get $40K I believe added. So $64K for Griffin and $49K for Tavares.

[quote comment=”159126″]I really hate you people who complain about the paychecks, as though Dana and the Fertittas are just pocketing the profit. They have taken baths on each of the European cards this year. They are putting the profit back into growing the business, which in the long run will reward the fighters much more.[/quote]
I agree.

As far as i recall they were like $43 MILLION NEGATIVE until maybe 2005 when TUF broke out and made the UFC a lot more accessible/popular. In 2006 i thikn they made $200M in PPVs (only?) ..not sure.

Yup, and all those earnings especially in the early stages (i’m thinking they’ve only profited 2005, 2006 & this year) ..so that’s like 2.5 years above break-even –definitely still the time to develop the brand, ward of competitors and expand in other markets –which is capital intensive to say the least.

UFC fighters are not yet ready for a bigger payday. but unless the UFC goes public we may never really know their exact financial status.

On a side note….Dana said the biggest possible markets for the UFC were US, Mexico & UK. so its no surprise the Huerta, Bisping are still undefeated

Disgusting how Rich Clementi can make $24k and Keith Jardine only makes $14k.

Fighters should sign contracts fight to fight. Keith got ripped off in this fight. Not taking anything from Chuck, but he’s lost twice in a row and scored big in the payroll department.

chuck is lucky compard to jardin…. i would be pist….if i was jardin…

DIDN’T FORREST WIN SUBMISION OF THE NIGHT??…..ISNT THAT WINNING MONNEY ASWEL???…..HOW MUCH IS SUBMISION OF THE NIGHT?

[quote post=”3434″]DIDN’T FORREST WIN SUBMISION OF THE NIGHT??…..ISNT THAT WINNING MONNEY ASWEL???…..HOW MUCH IS SUBMISION OF THE NIGHT[/quote]
sorry didnt read it all… i got my answer…

That lopsided payday is as stranger than Jardine’s Grandpa fighting style.

Pride fighters sure make out big time when they come over to the darkside…I mean the UFC.

[quote post=”3434″]It’s crazy that Matt Wiman made more money than Jardine. Beating chuck liddell sounds like something you’d get more than $14k for. [/quote]

I was going to point that out as well. Keith Jardine made the 2nd lowest amount of money of all of the winners. Only Jeremy Stevens made less - and its only his 2nd fight, on the undercard, and he’s only like 20 years old.

I think that ANY fighter that is in the main event should automatically walk away with at LEAST 100k. That would make the UFC think twice before putting Keith Jardine in a fight and calling it a ‘main event’.

[quote comment=”158990″][quote comment=”158981″]How the hell Jardine gets paid only 14G and the loser gets half a mil? He put on a good fight and beat Chuck fair and square and walk off with a lousy 14G and Chuck gets more because he’s a legend of UFC but it would make sense if an underdog beat a legend will automatically get paid alot more money than 14G. I would say give Jardine 200G and give Liddel 175G.[/quote]
If it weren’t for Chuck Liddell, that PPV would have lost about 65-75% of the people that bought it. Without a big name like one of the most popular fighters in MMA… no one would have cared. And there is NO WAY that Jardine is worth 100G a fight.
Its all about who draws the crowds vs. who wins.[/quote]
I don’t think the card needed Liddell to sell. Forrest vs Rua, Sanchez vs Fitch, Griffin vs Tavares, those are huge matches. Everyone joked about the main event, and look what happened.

If you think Chuck made half/mill back when he started your crazy!!
Jardine can make that if he makes a name for himself!
you have to remember Chuck went on a terror and won fights for almost 4 years, he helped bring the UFC to what it is,
I know Chuck got paid less then 14K his 5th or 6th Ufc fight,
Jardine gets 14K because of guy’s like Chuck, who has helped the sport.
The fighters are not under paid, and they will only get paid more cash as time goes on.
It’s all about making a name for yourself and thats what Jardine is doing..
It’s funny because i know in a couple of years you are all going to say they make to much!! every sport ends up like that, the UFC will grow and the more they do’ the better the paychecks.
..plus… Dana gives out more then just what you hear,, i bet Jardine got hooked up with a bonus we will never hear about.
Dana has said he pays them based on performence’
you cant put shit in the contract like…if you beat chuck or stuff like that,,Dana sets a price and doubles it with a win,.
you cant have “what if’s” in a contract.

[quote post=”3434″]How come you never report which fight was fight of the night or submission of the night and all those other bonus’s? [/quote]

[quote post=”3434″]DIDN’T FORREST WIN SUBMISION OF THE NIGHT??…..ISNT THAT WINNING MONNEY ASWEL???…..HOW MUCH IS SUBMISION OF THE NIGHT[/quote]

And if he included the submission of the night info, would you read it?

Geez, how many people post without reading?

I think we all get the ‘draw’ agrguement (Liddell $500k) - but the rest are just getting ripped off - dumbe contarcts or not White & co. are making a killing on the sweat and brain bashing these guys take - did you get a good look at Jardine or Griffin after the fights, ouch!

Jardine salary was unreal even Clementi got more than him, how wrong is that. Not only should he have got more for beating Chuck the way he did, but also for the damage he took doing it. Not only did the guy get booed after he won, but he walks away with one of the smallest payouts. Damn, that is just not right.

[quote comment=”159470″][quote comment=”158990″][quote comment=”158981″]How the hell Jardine gets paid only 14G and the loser gets half a mil? He put on a good fight and beat Chuck fair and square and walk off with a lousy 14G and Chuck gets more because he’s a legend of UFC but it would make sense if an underdog beat a legend will automatically get paid alot more money than 14G. I would say give Jardine 200G and give Liddel 175G.[/quote]
If it weren’t for Chuck Liddell, that PPV would have lost about 65-75% of the people that bought it. Without a big name like one of the most popular fighters in MMA… no one would have cared. And there is NO WAY that Jardine is worth 100G a fight.
Its all about who draws the crowds vs. who wins.[/quote]
I don’t think the card needed Liddell to sell. Forrest vs Rua, Sanchez vs Fitch, Griffin vs Tavares, those are huge matches. Everyone joked about the main event, and look what happened.[/quote]

Did anyone do the math, A loser earns 35 times what the winner makes including the bonus, i mean years of experience can’t make me earn that much in my job..LOL

Everyone, especially Mania,

Did anyone watch the post fight press conference? It starts out with Dana going on a rant about how he hates silly mma websites and all the shit we talk.

Does Dana realize that he shouldn’t talk shit about the people that pay for his product and put money into his pockets? Without the fans, there is no UFC.

Oh yea, I forgot to give the link to the press conference, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q26tuhZsk8A&mode=related&search=

[quote comment=”158981″]How the hell Jardine gets paid only 14G and the loser gets half a mil? He put on a good fight and beat Chuck fair and square and walk off with a lousy 14G and Chuck gets more because he’s a legend of UFC but it would make sense if an underdog beat a legend will automatically get paid alot more money than 14G. I would say give Jardine 200G and give Liddel 175G.[/quote]
I think Jardine is under a crappy contract from TUF still.

The money the fighters make is because of contracts regardless of who they fight and whether they win or not. Winning does increase your pay amount next go around for a new contract.

What the hell is wrong with Jardine’s management? They agreed on a contract that would pay Jardine at the most 14k for a main event fight. I understand that a fight against Liddell could only help boost Jardine’s status in mma, but come on, 14k? Matt wiman mad more than him and he fought in the prelims. I don’t fault Dana White, I would blame Jardine’s management.

Also, Machida had a higher base salary than Forrest. Forrest is the winner of the TUF season 1, and his legendary fight vs. Bonner in the finals helped catapult mma to where it is today. It is a disgrace that Forrest earned chump change to beat Shogun.

jardine definitely needs a new contract but he still isn’t even remotely close to chucks ability to rake in the cash. Chuck IS worth 500 g’s, because of him hundreds of thousands buy pay per views, I doubt jardine could rake in 1/10 of the buyers chuck does. Even if jardine became unbeatable I doubt he would have chucks marketability, some have it some don’t.

[quote comment=”159081″]No wonder Jardine won, he had to , He needed the extra $7000 just so he could have almost enough food for the next 4 months. Pathetic salary for someone who has proven himself and beat the former champ.[/quote]

His payday will come in his next fight. Now that he has beaten Chuck, he will draw more fans and make more money next time around.

On some of these fights, their contracts to show up and fight should be what ever it is, but I think they should have a much bigger bonus for the win, especially in Jardines case. I agree with everyone sticking up for Dana, he’s worked his butt of to get it where it’s at, if he makes a few million, he deserves it.

UFC 76 what a disaster. Now we have Forest and Jardine as the top contenders for Rampage{GASP}. This is why they shouldn’t put top 5 fighters against non contenders.
Who is wandi supposed to fight now
Is it going to be Rampage vs Forest.
CHuck vs shogun looks good but i don’t want shogun to retire the old chuck wagon.

If you look at any major sport league the athletes on average make a hell of alot more then fighters in the UFC. For example the NHL for entry level salary is anywhere from 650,000 to 10 Million per year… some of these guys at the bottom will only play 5 games out of 82. I think they should all get mor eincluding chuck! If the sport is making as much money a s the UFC has and is ,, who should get it ,, the fat caqts holding the events or teh athletes competing in it… sure chuck made alot more then everyone else but he still didn’t cash in on the majority of the revenue generated from that night. I think his salary accounted for less then 1% out of total revenue generated. the disparity is huge between owners & the athletes who drive the revenue…

This is why I don’t run the UFC. I wouldn’t have the balls to go up to Jardine and say, “Hey, we will have you fight Lidell but 10 other fighters will get paid more than you. But it will be good for your career.”

Jardine had to feel like he was in Vegas rolling the dice. He would have been paid much more ever again if he lost.

Dana said he didn’t see the hunger in Lidell’s eye. Well with those two different pay scales…

http://www.workcandy.com

The UFC payroll is laughable.
500,000 - ICON 250,000 - Champions
125,000 - Superstar Contender
50,000 - Contenders
20,000 - Specialists
10,000 - Pretenders
3,000 - Poor Bastards

The UFC payroll is laughable.
500,000 - ICON & dana’s boy
250,000 - Champions
125,000 - Superstar Contender
50,000 - Contenders
20,000 - Specialists
10,000 - Pretenders
3,000 - Poor Bastards

come on mania.

Hopefully Jardine used his potentail $14K earnings for the fight and bet it all on himself to win.

UFC PAYROLL
500,000 - icon
250,000 - champion
125,000 - superstar contender
50,000 - contender
20,000 - specialist
10,000 - pretender
3,000 - unknowns

Does anybody start to think the UFC is MOB driven…..I think they “made” Chuck lose in the Rampage fight and maybe even in this fight…He hasn’t looked the same, and for the small $$$ these guys are getting from the UFC…..it makes sense. I think the MOB is winning out in Vegas taking the dogs in a lot of the fights, and the fighers are getting paid more by mob guy’s then Dana….Maybe i’m on crack, but who knows.

VERY interesting theory. Take the NBA ref, Tim Donaghy, for example. If it can happen in the NBA, why can’t it happen in the UFC. ESPECIALLY the bottom tier fighters that make under $5k per fight. They gotta provide for thier family in one way or another. However, I would definatly need proof before buying into such a thing.

Out of curiousity, what is the biggest and baddest gang/mob in Las Vegas?

WTF Chuck Liddell — $500,000 gettin his ass kicked

WHY DOESn’t RAndy GEtas much as chuck? i, 32 years old my wife 33 and my dad 57 luv Randy and luv to watch him as he improves, i hate one dimmensional fighters like chuck.
WE all would rather watch randy more than chuck n BUch (Movie Reference ) (the other quote is a curse) LLLLLLLLLLLLLIIIIIIIIIDDeLLLLL with his gay pink slipper wearing roomate

Keith was set up to lose and he did financially!!!!
last time Randy got 250,000 ? right Randy should have gotten 500,000 plus oldes man to be hw champ and defend it 500,000 bonus or sumtin.
And randy goes to Iraq and trains others Chuck seems like a selfish pet of Dana’s remember DAna was and in a “special ” way still is his manager.
I don’t see chuck’s trainer at any other ufc events training anyone else cuz He is a Hack!
UFC should investigate who buys these ppv’s like me every time and see who they would like to fight and put thatinto consideration and THE UFC IS not a monopoly it’s a T.I.T.
Total Information Technology there is no competiion.
THey own everything which is not good there nneeds to be someone or some other organization that is close to the ufc no more Price elite xc suks pretty much IFL suxs more WEC is the ufc. MCdonalds and Burgerkling MAKE IT HAPPEN CAN I HELP!?!!!
FRUSTERATED
BTW chuck is a purple BELT in BJJ

Did anyone watch the post fight press conference? It starts out with Dana going on a rant about how he hates silly mma websites and all the shit we talk.

Does Dana realize that he shouldn’t talk shit about the people that pay for his product and put money into his pockets? Without the fans, there is no UFC

I agree, fuck dana white

[quote comment=”159743″]The UFC payroll is laughable.
500,000 - ICON & dana’s boy
250,000 - Champions
125,000 - Superstar Contender
50,000 - Contenders
20,000 - Specialists
10,000 - Pretenders
3,000 - Poor Bastards[/quote]

Boxer’s are paid way better
Pacquiaw who is fighting barrera this october is getting atleast 3million plus 65% of the PPV income.. WOW! and they say that boxing is dead..

[quote comment=”159871″]WHY DOESn’t RAndy GEtas much as chuck? i, 32 years old my wife 33 and my dad 57 luv Randy and luv to watch him as he improves, i hate one dimmensional fighters like chuck.
WE all would rather watch randy more than chuck n BUch (Movie Reference ) (the other quote is a curse) LLLLLLLLLLLLLIIIIIIIIIDDeLLLLL with his gay pink slipper wearing roomate

Keith was set up to lose and he did financially!!!!
last time Randy got 250,000 ? right Randy should have gotten 500,000 plus oldes man to be hw champ and defend it 500,000 bonus or sumtin.
And randy goes to Iraq and trains others Chuck seems like a selfish pet of Dana’s remember DAna was and in a “special ” way still is his manager.
I don’t see chuck’s trainer at any other ufc events training anyone else cuz He is a Hack!
UFC should investigate who buys these ppv’s like me every time and see who they would like to fight and put thatinto consideration and THE UFC IS not a monopoly it’s a T.I.T.
Total Information Technology there is no competiion.
THey own everything which is not good there nneeds to be someone or some other organization that is close to the ufc no more Price elite xc suks pretty much IFL suxs more WEC is the ufc. MCdonalds and Burgerkling MAK