i don’t understand this logic. why shogun? are they trying to get liddell a win before he fights silva? will he ever fight silva?

If Shogun comes in like he did against Forrest, I think anybody can beat him.

But why if you are Chuck Liddell take the chance of losing 3 straight and finding your way out of the UFC?

Shogun would take down Liddell and beat him.

Bad move..

BAD move.

But in this division there are no stepping stones, and to be the best you got to beat them, so I mean I guess this would make logic, he needs to fight Nakamura first.

put your career on “ice” ice man.

call it quits.

I agree it’s a bad move. Shogun ahs the tools to beat Liddell. Personally i think Liddell is on his way out. I dont think the Silva fight will happen now. Although I would still pay to see it, the marketing behind it sucks now. I say make them fight it out anyways. They are both coming off two losses in a row. December event is set to have Matt/Matt and could possibly have Randy defending.

What does the UFC gain after this fight?
- Chuck losing 3 in a row? Then what, he fights Wand after 3 losses? Might as well just bury the guy out in the Nevada desert.
- Shogun starts 0-2 in the UFC? WTF is the point of bring him over then? More Dana burying PRIDE guys again?

In a twisted way it makes sense b/c DW would want Chuck to beat Shogun, then go on the face Wand. Shogun has time on his side, Chuck and Wand do not. Chuck beating Shogun puts him back on top, somewhat, to set up the Wand bout.

Chuck should dump Hackleman and go to a new camp in order to evolve. If he doesn’t we’re going to see the same old Chuck and the same results. He needs to improve himself, learn new technique, and be pushed in a different way. Go to Team Couture, perhaps this could have a positive effect on him. But staying in the same place and doing the same thing is really only going to hurt him not help him.

Who’s the number contender in light heavy right now?

Liddell needs to train with Couture. It worked for Tyson, Forrest, and Jardine.

I like this fight, is it a matchup for Chuck? Sure but wasn’t Shogun a matchup for Forrest? And Iceman a matchup for Jardine? People obviously want to pick the big name fighters to fight that they think they matchup well against.

[quote comment=”157857″]Chuck should dump Hackleman and go to a new camp in order to evolve. If he doesn’t we’re going to see the same old Chuck and the same results. He needs to improve himself, learn new technique, and be pushed in a different way. Go to Team Couture, perhaps this could have a positive effect on him. But staying in the same place and doing the same thing is really only going to hurt him not help him.[/quote]
I agree with this. At least get some different guys in there to train with.

lidell still needs to fight silva. Silva is coming off two devistating losses to henderson and cro cop. If liddell losses then he is done, simple as that. Silva is a very marketable fighter even after a loss to liddell. This is a win-win situation with the UFC. Noone including me is gonna wanna waste a main event on an upcoming card to see liddell fight a chump. And i dont think liddell will accept a fight with a C level fighter.

liddell chooses who he fights too. He tells dana who he wants and dana tells joe silva to make it happen

well, didn’t see this, if he fights shogun, i don’t know shogun looked horrible on sat night, anyone could have beaten him. i think with 2 losses in a row i think the ice man will bring his a game, shogun is one of my favorite but lidell won’t lose 3 in a row. now who does silva fight?? jason lambert, houston alexander, maybe rematch with hendo.

[quote post=”3423″]Who’s the number contender in light heavy right now?[/quote]

there is no number one contender right now. Im thinking (and i might be way off) but jardine griffin 2 winner gets rampage. Pray to god its griffin cause jardine may have to be dragged out of the cage after a fight with rampage.

wow, sorry to say it but it seems to me that Liddell is dodging Silva.

Why can’t we just get Liddell / Silva over with, after Chuck retires and Silva had his warm up bout. November doesn’t have a Main event do you think Rampage will be on it.

[quote comment=”157876″][quote post=”3423″]Who’s the number contender in light heavy right now?[/quote]

there is no number one contender right now. Im thinking (and i might be way off) but jardine griffin 2 winner gets rampage. Pray to god its griffin cause jardine may have to be dragged out of the cage after a fight with rampage.[/quote]

The Liddel and Rua loses raise many questions on who the top contender is now.I agree on Griffin/Jardine 2 but who will Rampage fight in the mean time?Really it comes down to Alexander and Silva.Houston Alexander hasnt really earned a title shot yet.That only leaves Wanderlai and we may see him get a direct title shot.Which I dont think anyone would mind.

Well Im glad Chuck’s not quitting , cause there is a few more people I’d like to see him match up with. I hate to see Liddell or Shogun lose though if that bout were to happen, both are great fighters.

[quote comment=”157897″][quote comment=”157876″][quote post=”3423″]Who’s the number contender in light heavy right now?[/quote]

there is no number one contender right now. Im thinking (and i might be way off) but jardine griffin 2 winner gets rampage. Pray to god its griffin cause jardine may have to be dragged out of the cage after a fight with rampage.[/quote]

The Liddel and Rua loses raise many questions on who the top contender is now.I agree on Griffin/Jardine 2 but who will Rampage fight in the mean time?Really it comes down to Alexander and Silva.Houston Alexander hasnt really earned a title shot yet.That only leaves Wanderlai and we may see him get a direct title shot.Which I dont think anyone would mind.[/quote]

I say Liddell vs silva
Griffen jardine 2
Rampage vs Machida

I believe that Forest Griffin is the only thing close to being a #1 contender. I think the divison been shacken up to much this past weekend to say anyone else right now

Why the hell is he training again so soon? There is such a thing called over-training. And his mind also needs a rest as much as his body.

[quote comment=”157866″]Liddell needs to train with Couture. It worked for Tyson, Forrest, and Jardine. :)[/quote]

But Silva trains there doesn’t he?

Hackleman never has had a full bowl of jelly beans…

Chuck vs. Shogun, this is good idea. Get Chuck an easy win and then we can set up Wanderlei by putting him against Jardine.

Jardine needs to clear up his loss to Houston before I can say without a doubt he is 1.

Griffin needs to clear up his loss to Jardine before I can
say without a doubt he is 1.

Houston needs to fight anohter fighter of Jardine or better skills like Machida and then one more fight against Lidell, Rua, Hendo, Tito, Evans, Forrest to be considered 1.

Wanderlei has the experience and being a former champ is really setting in the sweet spot right now. I know many would disagree and want to see him fight atleast once in the octagon before a title shot. Unfortunately, time will not permit. The confusion in this weight class needs to be settled quickly.

UFC website writer makes a case for Forrest getting the Title shot that was promised Rua. The only reason I would object is his loss to Jardine, but then Jardine lossed to Houston and I find myself in a never ending loop of logic!!

Fight Off!!!

Houston vs Jardine II
Griffin vs Machida

Winner vs Winner

Winner vs Rampage.

While this is happening Rampage vs Silva.
On the same card as Winner vs Winner.

WHAAAA LAAAAAWWWW! Problem solved.

Chuck sounds to overanxious to fight again….especially after 2 consecutive losses. I think his ego is bruised more than is ribs. IMO he needs to chill out for like 3 to 4 weeks and meditate on his family life and consider if he wants to continue fighting. I’m a huge fan, and would hate to see him lose 3 in a row…that would mean “see ya!” from the UFC. I dont think he is washed up at all or even “too old,”

I agree with some others, he should train new techniques. More kicks, takedwons, He seems to have good GnP, but chooses never to take guys down. Chuck would be a maniac if he used his knees and kicks & takedowns more often. I think Hackleman has him too pumped up on the “one punch KO”

Maybe Couture can fight at 205 again and hold two belts at once.

[quote comment=”157917″][quote comment=”157866″]Liddell needs to train with Couture. It worked for Tyson, Forrest, and Jardine. :)[/quote]

But Silva trains there doesn’t he?[/quote]

Thats a great idea but since Silva is already there then he can go train with Rampage and Juanito.

tear um up chuck!

If not maybe even Jackson’s camp and look for pointers from Jardine, such as how to grow that pointy beard. Then he will have the perfect mohawk and beard, with appropriate accessories. A great two punch combo.

Chuck has got do more in the cage.He’s a kickboxer,use your damn legs more.He is also a good wrestler,why isn’t he using his other weapons.Keith Jardine is good tough fighter,but come on Liddell should have beatin him in that fight.He better come more prepared for Shogun.

[quote comment=”157833″]If Shogun comes in like he did against Forrest, I think anybody can beat him.

But why if you are Chuck Liddell take the chance of losing 3 straight and finding your way out of the UFC?

Shogun would take down Liddell and beat him.

Bad move..

BAD move.

But in this division there are no stepping stones, and to be the best you got to beat them, so I mean I guess this would make logic, he needs to fight Nakamura first.[/quote]

What are you talking about? Randy wasn’t able to take down Liddell, so Shogun sure as hell won’t. It’s clear by now that trying to take down Liddell in a fight is a recipe for disaster, you need to outstrike him to beat him. The Shogun that came in on satuday would get killed by Liddell. And even if Shogun came in top shape I’m still not sure of the result, Shogun has always had a wide open style which will make him easier to hit than Jardine, who was very elusive.

I’m not sure anyone can win a “I hit you, you hit me back” fight against Liddell since he hits so freakin hard. Movement and counter punching seems like the best bet. He does seem to have a suspect chin all of a sudden though.

He could train with Pat Miletich. If Pat can turn Tim Sylvia into a champion, he can do the same for Chuck lol.

[quote comment=”157866″]Liddell needs to train with Couture. It worked for Tyson, Forrest, and Jardine. :)[/quote]

Hey, I agree. Chuck is a powerhouse with his fists, but he is too monomodal, no variability in his fight. He needs heavy rib cracking kicks, with power punchs in the next millisecond and vice versa. He is able to kick to standoff his opponent and create major damage, he just choses his ko flurry. The dean stood him off with heavy bag kicks that sunk into Chuck’s protective muscles and bones, like horse kicks. I don’t know how Jardine could walk and fight on after suffering the kinetic impact of hitting Chuck so may times with his blistering kicks!
at any moment Chuck could have caught The Dean with a lights out punch. Maybe this will force Chuck to travel to other training guru’s and learn how to handle the opponent’s game and get some variability and multimodal attacks and defenses going. Jardine had his game figured out, no doubt. I think Chuck is in his end game if he doesn’t take this in a positive fashion. He is not going to win all his fights in a 90 second ko, though he is that good.

It agree with the idea that Liddell vs Shogun could be really bad for both. lose lose. If shogun loses he’s 0-2 in the UFC and chuck could get 3 consecutive losses. I know it’s a tough sell now but I still think silva is a better fight at this time. How old is silva anyway? 32?

Wandi, you’r our only hope. Come in like the Wandi we all know, and have some bomb wars like of old, with Quinton.

[quote comment=”157855″]What does the UFC gain after this fight?
- Chuck losing 3 in a row? Then what, he fights Wand after 3 losses? Might as well just bury the guy out in the Nevada desert.
- Shogun starts 0-2 in the UFC? WTF is the point of bring him over then? More Dana burying PRIDE guys again?

In a twisted way it makes sense b/c DW would want Chuck to beat Shogun, then go on the face Wand. Shogun has time on his side, Chuck and Wand do not. Chuck beating Shogun puts him back on top, somewhat, to set up the Wand bout.[/quote]

Dude Calm down, this is a great Fight that I for one would love to see and hopefully you twirps on on this web site will not burst your O rings thinking about the outcomes

Chuck should move up to heavyweight and fight Randy again. Maybe he could become champ again.

Guys, do NOT take too much away from Shoguns loss to Forrest. He was not prepared for his first cage appearance. Forrest was more motivated than ever.

You watch his next fight, there will be no gasing from Shogun. He is going to f*&k his next opponent up and start his march to the belt.

If chuck fights Shogun, he will end his career!

[quote comment=”158002″]Guys, do NOT take too much away from Shoguns loss to Forrest. He was not prepared for his first cage appearance. Forrest was more motivated than ever.

You watch his next fight, there will be no gasing from Shogun. He is going to f*&k his next opponent up and start his march to the belt.

If chuck fights Shogun, he will end his career![/quote]

I thought Shogun was the grim reaper? What blastphemy to say the almighty Shogun wasnt “prepared”!

I thought fighting in a cage would would not effect Shogun since he has trained and fought in one before? Very little of the fighting took place against the cage.

I thought being the #1 ranked LHW in the World would be enough for a professional athlete to be “motivated”? Maybe there is truth to the shhhhhh, “steroid” rumors shhhhhh!

I thought his f cking his opponents up and march to eat ‘Rage and his family began this past Saturday? Was Forrest not on his menu?

I thought Shogun was going to put the TUF fighter back to a C level fighter where he belonged? Forrest is now the #1 LHW after all the dissing of a “C-Level” reality show star?

What are all of you Shogun huggers going to hang from now?

Do take something away from this loss to Griffin!! Forrest beat him and it has nothing to do with anything except execution! Maybe, just maybe Shogun is beatable and maybe, jsut maybe Liddell could “sneak” a win out like Griffin.

I read the first 4 posts and AGAIN people are talking s*ht that Liddell will lose 3 in a row Shogun this Shogun that, Liddel’s hole’s were exposed and he will close them and we’ll see what version oh himself he brings, my take he’ll be a totally different version. AS FOR SHOGUN? you think 3 months is going to be enough time to BE FIT AND BE IN CARDIO shape for an opponent? NO. Live with it, without steroids he’s nothing. I wrote in a post 4 potential LHW fights and Liddell Vs Shogun was one of them. Here are the highly potential others. First off-
Forres Griffin Vs Quinton “Rampage” Jackson (Title Fight)

Keith Jardine Vs Wanderlie Silva

Lyoto Machida Vs Houston Alexander

Tito Ortiz Vs Rashad Evans 2 is SET!

Matt Hamill Vs Michael Bisping 2 is SET!

Griffin deserves a shot he took Shogun OUT!
Jardine gets SILVA, Chuck lost it’s only FAIR!

So lastly enough S*ht was talked on behalf of Shogun, so QUIT it! Liddell Vs Shogun makes SENSE they both lost.

[quote comment=”157921″]Chuck vs. Shogun, this is good idea. Get Chuck an easy win and then we can set up Wanderlei by putting him against Jardine.[/quote]

THat wouldnt be an easy win. There is no way Shogun ever fights that horribly again. I see this whole Shogun loss as the same as the GSP loss. Both men are young and have been told they are the best. Shogun will be back and better than ever.

Chuck should just let the UFC put him against Silva already. Enough of worrying about when its the perfect time to do it. That time has passed and we all need to accept it.

I think that Jardine has a style better suited for Liddell… if Liddell utilized more kicks like Jardine, the fight would have gone the other way… Liddell has much more power in his punches than most, and adding the leg kicks like Jardine would allow him to be a more versatile fighter… and maybe even adding some ground game man, its all about what people dont expect, and with Liddell people expect the looping/or/straight right.

Could it be that Forrest moved well in this fight and engaged intelligently? I agree the steroid issues in today’s environment sheds some suspicion on Shogun’s performance; however, Forrest was clever on the bottom and really was relentless with the pace and pursuit of Rua. Could it be that Forrest does get mesmerized by the flashiness of other fighters and is able to fight to his ability were others may fall short? I agree with muto - it was execution and , I feel, character that enabled forrest to win.

For Chuck it is easy. NEW CAMP. He is a great athlete who is not using all the tools in his belt. Perhaps he and Tanner can form a support group, Man UP, drop the booze, and be professional.

Chuck, you are too young to be sucking your gut in at the weigh in and at center ring when receiving instructions. It is pathetic when the camera at the weigh in does not show your body from the side, from the chest down, fearing people will not buy PPV if they see your true condition. Dude, your core starts from above your knees and ends at your rib cage. Hang from a bar and pull your knees to your chest a few dozen times a day - poof, body by Budweiser is gone.

*Silva v Houston
*Page v Jardine
*Shogun v Machida
*Griffin v Lidell

*The rookie opinions of the Taped Up Pair

Lycan Wrote:

“Forres Griffin Vs Quinton “Rampage” Jackson (Title Fight)

Keith Jardine Vs Wanderlie Silva

Lyoto Machida Vs Houston Alexander

Tito Ortiz Vs Rashad Evans 2 is SET!

Matt Hamill Vs Michael Bisping 2 is SET!

Griffin deserves a shot he took Shogun OUT!
Jardine gets SILVA, Chuck lost it’s only FAIR!”

I think you give Jardine a shot at Page. Rua is untested in the UFC and Jardine can boast victories over chuck and forrest. I like the idea of Houston V Silva because of styles and it allows the victor to lay a UFC foundation of progression. I think shogun and machida’s styles make for an interesting fight as well. I guess you really cant go wrong with any fight senarios…

peace

we will see Chuck and Silva in Dec. That will sell tickets and ppv sells.Money is what it is all about and the loser will have to face three defeats in a row,then we will not hear about this (should have happend years ago) fight and the winner will take home bragging rights home but far away from the belt.This will be a good warm up fight for fans that pay for ppv.

[quote comment=”158040″]I read the first 4 posts and AGAIN people are talking s*ht that Liddell will lose 3 in a row Shogun this Shogun that, Liddel’s hole’s were exposed and he will close them and we’ll see what version oh himself he brings, my take he’ll be a totally different version. AS FOR SHOGUN? you think 3 months is going to be enough time to BE FIT AND BE IN CARDIO shape for an opponent? NO. Live with it, without steroids he’s nothing. I wrote in a post 4 potential LHW fights and Liddell Vs Shogun was one of them. Here are the highly potential others. First off-
Forres Griffin Vs Quinton “Rampage” Jackson (Title Fight)

Keith Jardine Vs Wanderlie Silva

Lyoto Machida Vs Houston Alexander

Tito Ortiz Vs Rashad Evans 2 is SET!

Matt Hamill Vs Michael Bisping 2 is SET!

Griffin deserves a shot he took Shogun OUT!
Jardine gets SILVA, Chuck lost it’s only FAIR!

So lastly enough S*ht was talked on behalf of Shogun, so QUIT it! Liddell Vs Shogun makes SENSE they both lost.[/quote]

Thank you. Now that makes perfect sense. I agree with you 100%, although I never wanted to see it like this. I really like Shogun, but that (Saturday) was Not the Shogun I remember. I really am not at all too crazy about Silva/Lidell. I don’t like either. But this is a great LHW breakdown.

[quote comment=”158054″]Could it be that Forrest moved well in this fight and engaged intelligently? I agree the steroid issues in today’s environment sheds some suspicion on Shogun’s performance; however, Forrest was clever on the bottom and really was relentless with the pace and pursuit of Rua. Could it be that Forrest does get mesmerized by the flashiness of other fighters and is able to fight to his ability were others may fall short? I agree with muto - it was execution and , I feel, character that enabled forrest to win.

For Chuck it is easy. NEW CAMP. He is a great athlete who is not using all the tools in his belt. Perhaps he and Tanner can form a support group, Man UP, drop the booze, and be professional.

Chuck, you are too young to be sucking your gut in at the weigh in and at center ring when receiving instructions. It is pathetic when the camera at the weigh in does not show your body from the side, from the chest down, fearing people will not buy PPV if they see your true condition. Dude, your core starts from above your knees and ends at your rib cage. Hang from a bar and pull your knees to your chest a few dozen times a day - poof, body by Budweiser is gone.

*Silva v Houston
*Page v Jardine
*Shogun v Machida
*Griffin v Lidell

*The rookie opinions of the Taped Up Pair[/quote]

Thank you! I wrote an analysis on the Griffin/Rua fight and one of my points that I had in predicting a Griffin win was that Couture was training Griffin. I found it really interesting that Couture “called” out TS and everyone was praying that Couture would not get hurt. He destroyed TS. Then Griffin, just 2 fights after getting KOed, calls out the #1 LHW in the World?!?! And we know what happened. Couture, IMO, saw a hole(s) in Rua’s game and knew how to get Griffin to exploit it/them. And Griffin followed the gameplan to perfection!

**This isnt a Monday morning QB job here. It is documented at another site and that site can be provided if need be before the vulchers come eat me for piciking it correctly……after the fight.**

Muto - great insight.

Chuck,

One other thing. What is up with the mohawk? That thing is getting too wide at the top.

Step # 1 New Camp
Step # 2 New Hairstylist
Step # 3 Reclaim Belt

liddell vs gun

griffin vs page

houston vs hendo

jardine vs silva

machida vs winner of tito/rahad2

Chuck would look funny with a full head of hair…I bet he would look like a trucker….well he kinda already does i guess

Time to fight the guys he said he wanted in the past..Shogun, and Wandy. The way CroCop has been fighting maybe he should have a go at it with him as well.

[quote post=”3423″]Shogun would take down Liddell and beat him.[/quote]
Randy couldn’t take Chuck down ,I don’t think Shogun can. Chuck has the best takedown defence next to GSP.

[quote post=”3423″]put your career on “ice” ice man.
call it quits. [/quote]
This is what everyone said when Randy lost 2 fights and look who is the HW Champion now and he is even 2 years older than when people said his time was up. Now I don’t think Chuck (or anyone for that matter)will last as long as Randy ,but I don’t think he is quite done yet. If he loses his next fight, then that it, 3 strikes you’re out.

[quote post=”3423″]Liddell needs to train with Couture. It worked for Tyson, Forrest, and Jardine[/quote]
Wasn’t Jardine training with GSP before this fight?

[quote comment=”158131″]liddell vs gun

griffin vs page

houston vs hendo

jardine vs silva

machida vs winner of tito/rahad2[/quote]

Dangerous Dan Henderson will face the Winner of the Franklin Vs. The Spider Silva, he has the Pride belt for the equivilent class and another unification bout would be sick as HELL!! Imagine, Silva Vs Herderson, think about it.

“I’d like, in view of the last event and also as a vengeance for my friend, to fight with this Forrest Griffin. I guess it could be a good name for me.”
Wanderlei Silva

SILVA HAS CALLED OUT GRIFFIN!!! So there you have it! The only way I don’t see this happening IS IF Griffin is offered a Title shot!

[quote comment=”157917″][quote comment=”157866″]Liddell needs to train with Couture. It worked for Tyson, Forrest, and Jardine. :)[/quote]

But Silva trains there doesn’t he?[/quote]

Yeah, but Hendo and Couture were supposedly homeys, and Rampage trained at Xtreme Couture.

[quote comment=”157876″][quote post=”3423″]Who’s the number contender in light heavy right now?[/quote]

there is no number one contender right now. Im thinking (and i might be way off) but jardine griffin 2 winner gets rampage. Pray to god its griffin cause jardine may have to be dragged out of the cage after a fight with rampage.[/quote]
Why is there a Griffin-Jardine II? Jardine just beat him earlier this year.

[quote comment=”158026″][quote comment=”158002″]Guys, do NOT take too much away from Shoguns loss to Forrest. He was not prepared for his first cage appearance. Forrest was more motivated than ever.
[/quote]
I thought Shogun was the grim reaper? What blastphemy to say the almighty Shogun wasnt “prepared”!
I thought fighting in a cage would would not effect Shogun since he has trained and fought in one before? Very little of the fighting took place against the cage.
[/quote]
First appearance in the octagon for Pride fighters seems to be shakey. Heath Herring lost. Minotauro (should have) lost. Shogun lost- submitted for the first time in his career. Crocop and Rampage were the only exceptions. Rampage said he was nervous as hell and he did struggle a bit against marvin the martian. Now look at him. And Crocop was never in danger against Edith Sanchez.

In addition Shogun’s fitness didn’t look 100%. He broke his arm badly in his last Pride fight against Coleman in a freak accident. I don’t want to make excuses for the guy but maybe he tried to come back too quickly. Or maybe there is something to all these steroid accusations? Dunno. Didn’t appear to me that Pride did any testing. On that topic, all I have to say is Bob Sapp.

The ice man has slightly lost his touch. I am a big fan of his and have been for a while. Chuck needs to put down all entoxicating substacnes at least until after the training and fight are over. he got loaded on fight nights and would fight the next day. (this is hearsay from some of his close friends)I believe if he really puts down everything for a while, preffereably always, his winning will return. Losses are inevitable when you are on the top. They can be unforseen and devastating to the pyche. I support you chuch. get both mentally and physically fit and bring in the heat.

[quote comment=”158085″]we will see Chuck and Silva in Dec. That will sell tickets and ppv sells.[/quote]
Frankly I’m not all that interested now. The time for this fight was 18 months ago before both guys started losing. I’d really like to see Wanderlei just start fighting. Give him Elvis Sinosic as a first fight. Let him work through the jitters. Silva has a clean chart UFC-wise and none of the TUF crowd has seen him fight unless UFC on demand has his fight against Tito from 5 years ago. Let him chop a couple stiffs down and the boards will light up about this “great new fighter!”.

Liddel is really disappointing on the other hand. He should be depressed. He’s a one-dimensional fighter who got beat at his ownly game. Compare him to Couture who retools his game for each new opponent. Liddel is the same every time out and that is no longer good enough.

In Chuck’s case..you can’t teach a new dog new tricks.

Hell ya… this is a good post… this december card sounds insane…..cant wait

I’m meant ” OLD “

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[quote comment=”158316″][quote comment=”158026″][quote comment=”158002″]Guys, do NOT take too much away from Shoguns loss to Forrest. He was not prepared for his first cage appearance. Forrest was more motivated than ever.
[/quote]
I thought Shogun was the grim reaper? What blastphemy to say the almighty Shogun wasnt “prepared”!
I thought fighting in a cage would would not effect Shogun since he has trained and fought in one before? Very little of the fighting took place against the cage.
[/quote]
First appearance in the octagon for Pride fighters seems to be shakey. Heath Herring lost. Minotauro (should have) lost. Shogun lost- submitted for the first time in his career. Crocop and Rampage were the only exceptions. Rampage said he was nervous as hell and he did struggle a bit against marvin the martian. Now look at him. And Crocop was never in danger against Edith Sanchez.

In addition Shogun’s fitness didn’t look 100%. He broke his arm badly in his last Pride fight against Coleman in a freak accident. I don’t want to make excuses for the guy but maybe he tried to come back too quickly. Or maybe there is something to all these steroid accusations? Dunno. Didn’t appear to me that Pride did any testing. On that topic, all I have to say is Bob Sapp.[/quote]

He fought 4 Pride fights after breaking his arm against Coleman.

Off topic but here is GSP on the Hour.
http://www.cbc.ca/thehour/video.php?id=1682

shogun was gassed after one round that was the main factor in the fight, he deserved an ass whipping for coming into the fight, out of shape. his skills were evident but their is no way, anyone will come into the ufc and beat anyone in the ufc without being in shape/ by the way personal opinion, dan henderson and rampage are on another level.

Anyone hear any rumors on who will be Rampage and Hendo’s next opponents? and who will wanderlei fiht now that chuck is washed up?

i agree there has to be a rematch or jardine vs griffin 2
winner gets rampage the only thing is that would be like still 7 to 8 months away from now with the rematch and then title belt match. rampage would have to wait till what may june to fight again. i don’t know about that, they might have to just push someone to fight him in march.
i guess two scenarios one someone steps up and fights silva on three months rest either jardine or forest

then the winner of the match fights rampage in march or april.

I realize you guys think it’s a bad matchup for Chuck but there is some logic behind it. Dana said himself Chuck hasn’t looked good his last fights and should contemplate retiring. Well on goes the light bulb in Dana’s head, why not have him fight Shogun who lost his first fight to so shogun can get a win against a former top guy boost his confidence. Dana is thinking about the future and Shogun(20 something) will be exactly that NOT Chuck(age 37). They shelled out some big bucks for Shogun they don’t want another Cro cop incident. If the fight goes the other way and Chuck returns to form and beats shogun then the stage will be set for Chuck vs. Wandy which equals big bucks for ufc. It’s tough to watch Dana treat Chuck like that but at the end of the day it is a business before friendship!

[quote post=”3423″]*Silva v Houston
*Page v Jardine
*Shogun v Machida
*Griffin v Lidell[/quote]

i would love to see these although jardine getting a title fight just dosent sit right with me. He is 2-2 in his last 4 fights is that title worthy? also silva vs houston would be f**king sick. That fight can be hyped so much, even though it would not make it out of the first round.

Silva can def not get an auto title shot like people have been saying. He lost his last 2 fights. It would be a travesty, might as well give liddell a shot. would be the same thing.

[quote comment=”158734″][quote post=”3423″]*Silva v Houston
*Page v Jardine
*Shogun v Machida
*Griffin v Lidell[/quote]

i would love to see these although jardine getting a title fight just dosent sit right with me. He is 2-2 in his last 4 fights is that title worthy? also silva vs houston would be f**king sick. That fight can be hyped so much, even though it would not make it out of the first round.

Silva can def not get an auto title shot like people have been saying. He lost his last 2 fights. It would be a travesty, might as well give liddell a shot. would be the same thing.[/quote]

Silva Vs Houston? The UFC won’t put 2 of its powerhouses against each other for what? They’ll each be given a B level fighter to feed on such as Jardine and Machida.

if he’s talking about fighting shogun, then he should be fighting wanderlei, thats the fight we’ve all been waiting to see…they’ve both lost their last two fights, i have no problem paying to see this fight still, its still gonna be a big draw because so many people have waited so long for it…i would much rather see chuck fight wanderlei than shogun…

[quote comment=”159067″]if he’s talking about fighting shogun, then he should be fighting wanderlei, thats the fight we’ve all been waiting to see…they’ve both lost their last two fights, i have no problem paying to see this fight still, its still gonna be a big draw because so many people have waited so long for it…i would much rather see chuck fight wanderlei than shogun…[/quote]

Agreed, I would rather see chuck fight silva then shogun…..Also…even if chuck losses that fight….I would still pay to watch him the next time….

MMA is a crazy sport…..

in Baseball if you come in 10th, will you retire?….ofcourse not….so why do people always say fighters are washed up after a few losses…This is chuck we’re talking about….ok…so he’s fallen out of the 1-5 spots but how many fighters do we see on each fight card that are actually placed that way….i would say the majority are 6-10…if not worse…..

[quote comment=”159172″][quote comment=”159067″]if he’s talking about fighting shogun, then he should be fighting wanderlei, thats the fight we’ve all been waiting to see…they’ve both lost their last two fights, i have no problem paying to see this fight still, its still gonna be a big draw because so many people have waited so long for it…i would much rather see chuck fight wanderlei than shogun…[/quote]

Agreed, I would rather see chuck fight silva then shogun…..Also…even if chuck losses that fight….I would still pay to watch him the next time….

MMA is a crazy sport…..

in Baseball if you come in 10th, will you retire?….ofcourse not….so why do people always say fighters are washed up after a few losses…This is chuck we’re talking about….ok…so he’s fallen out of the 1-5 spots but how many fighters do we see on each fight card that are actually placed that way….i would say the majority are 6-10…if not worse…..[/quote]
Excellent point. They don’t need to be the top 5 in the world, to still be really really good, put on good fights for contendar spots, and be worthy of paying to see them. Some poeple are getting realy really spoiled. How lame, im only gonna pay to see the two best in the world go at it. What kind of fan is that? Do they even like the sport?