chud is done,he didn,t look that good but i do believe the silva fight will happen in december..holy crap forrest looked really good he can give rampage some work and they were being very nice to give diego any love….. yes he will be back!!!

Wanted to see Diego and Liddell win but by now im use to seeing my favs lose lol. I hope diego rounds out his game or does whatever he has to do to bring the diff aspects together. Yeah i also picked Griffen to put on a good show against Rua but was surprised to hear he won by RNC. Look foward to seeing Liddell and Wandy. Overall sounds like a decent event although would have been nice to hear Machida win by other means than decision but he’s got the goods not doubt in that. Good coverage and recap Mania and all involved.

How bout that KEITH JARDINE!!! It’s time for folks to jump off of the Iceman’s washed up wagon!!

I wouldn’t consider Lidell washed up despite what people may say. The only fights he has lost recently are getting caught on the button by Rampage who is the world champion, and this decision. You can’t say Jardine whipped his ass, Lidell just couldn’t land any of his vicious stikes. Jardine was well prepared, and fought a great fight.

SHOGUN was gased for some reason! I don’t know why! What the hell going on with Pride fighters? Rampage is the only excpetion so far. will see how Henderson does and Wand. But damn this is nuts! I want to see Fedor in the cage and see what happens with him! If he loses the cage is a cursed or just different from the ring which it is true but I don’t know? I want answers!!!!

Sad to say, Chuck is beginning to show he is very one dimensional… and people are starting to cat on…

What kind of repercussions does the Forrest-Shogun fight have? The legendary Pride fighters are beginning to look not so legendary.

with this loss i think liddell vs wanderlei wont happen until sometime next year, chuck has to get some wins under him before he gets that fight. wanderlei was mad in the crowd lol. Diego looked good in his fight against Fitch, hopefully “the nightmare” will get back to his winning ways. My question is what the hell happened to Rua, he was tired by the end of round 1??

Yeah Chuck is very one dimensional. It was going to catch up with him sooner or later!

Dana White might fire Mike Goldberg now. The Liddell/Wanderlei fight could still happen, with both coming off of 2 straight losses. But Goldberg kept saying all night “if Liddell can beat Jardine”, “if Liddell can beat Jardine”, now they would just look dumb to go ahead with the fight.

Chuck won that fight no questions asked. Come on people, admit it.

Ok seriously, someone has to say it. Chuck is just a boxer, Jardine looks like a goblin when he fights/horrible balance, Rua gassed out!?, and diego/fitch should have been a draw.

Come on chuck this is MMA not boxing. If you can’t knock a guy out, try something else. Geez!

what a waste of money this event was.

Thank you UFC 76 for a horrible weekened!

I still want to know why Shogun was gased by the 2nd round. He was!!!!!! thats what made the difference! Why be gased in your first UFC fight??? Even though you’re in Pride before

FINALLY!!! now all my friends know who i am talkin about when i say jon fitch is a bad ass. And quick question MANIA, is fitch always that emotionless after a victory?lol. just another day at the office for him i guess

It doesnt matter if he didnt gas. He was good in the first round and Forrest easily won that one.

Yeah. He did gas, it was obvious. Wait til he releases a statement. Shogun absolutely gassed. I called forest as the underdog, I knew he could frustrate shogun. Forrest is a big 205, much bigger than shogun.

I don’t think these Pride guys have faced tough competition. I mean, yeah they are all tough fighterrs. . .

BUT now were talking more than fighting skill, were talking about training and strength. Forrest trains hard for cardio and is juiced up with legal supplements. He is a true professional athlete. Rua is just a damn good fighter. If this were a playstation game and you could turn off fatigue then the UFC fighters would lose everytime.

BUT this isn’t.

So the Americans who are training SUPER hard on cardio and diet are going to beat these guys 8 times out of 10 until they realize this is the real deal. It’s not pride anymore, where you might face a guy who just broke his nose and you both are exhausted. Now both guys come in fresh and the better cardio will win everytime. Sorry Pride, I’m not impressed.

Cro Cop — lost 2 in a row.

Shogun — could lose 2 in a row if he faces another top 5 contender.

These guys were made out to be gods. Even hendo got whacked on day 1.

THE UFC is for real now. Forrest is for real. You can’t just walk in a get a lay down fight at this weight class anymore, every 205 matchup no longer has a heavy favorite.

so who is next for a light heavy weight title shot??

Silva?
Forest?
Jardine?
Alexander?
The winner of evans/ortiz 2?

I say Jardine fights Forest for a title shot.

why are people saying that chuck wont get the fight in december against wanderlai silva, they both have two back to back losses and were both at one point in time very dominant champions. i just dont get it, makes perfect sense to have them fight but whatever.

SOO happy fitch won, when i trained at aka he was really cool, i was just a noob white belt, but he actually came over and helped me with my armbar technique, just a great person.

Just got back from the fights. It was called “Knock Out” but UFC should have called it “BORING” Not one knock out ALL NIGHT LONG!

HOLY HELL WAR FORREST! I wanted Forrest to winand had a nagging gut feeling…but Comeon now, SHogun I figured would just bring too much, WRONG! Shogun looked confused and sort of slow…Forrest didn’t win..HE DOMINATED! Seriously Shogun didnt do one thing but break scar tissue with an elbow.
WAR Tyson Griffin! He’s a young bad man!
Machida is good and dangerous, just not really a dangerous finisher which really sucks for him…he should get Tito or Rashad though, he needs more seasoning.
AS for Finch, Im glad that he beat Dirty Sanchez, but I still think the new GSP is too much for him, Kos, Hughes, and Serra if they ever rematch.
Chuck looked fit physically, his beer gut was dimensioned, and he looked in shape, he just has become too un-agressive and one dimensional. He’s my second fave fighter after GSP, but he’s on the wrong side of 30 and like Cro Cop, he doesn’t seem able to incorporate new wrinkles to his game. He should still get Wandy, because we’ve waited so long! and it could be aptly billed “Last Stand” cause both guys are 0-2 and on the down.

[quote comment="156333"]so who is next for a light heavy weight title shot??

Silva?
Forest?
Jardine?
Alexander?
The winner of evans/ortiz 2?

I say Jardine fights Forest for a title shot.[/quote]

Why would Jardine fight Forrest again after brutally KO’ing him?

Evans and Ortiz are no longer top tier, and neither of them have beat marquee names recently to earn the title shot. Tito will probably never get another title shot.

I say either Houston or Jardine against Wandy, and the winner gets Rampage. I don’t want to see Chuck versus Wandy anymore.

Jardine should probably be first in line before Houston for Wandy (even though Houston killed him) if only because he has beaten two very famous and well-regarded fighters in Chuck and Forrest. Then again a Houston v. Wandy fight would be really entertaining.

The first thing that hit me watching Rua vs. Griffin was their size difference. Shogun looked so much smaller than Forrest. It was strange because Sho looked bigger in Pride. Man, it was weird to watch Shogun tap.

What the hell is going on with that damned cage? I guess we’ll have to see how well Wanderlei does when he steps back in there. Hopefully it’ll be better than when he got highlight-reel KO-ed by Vitor.

Did anyone else notice GSP’s eyes after Fitch’s dominant win? I think St. Pierre now realizes all too clearly that their paths are on a collision course, and didn’t seem too happy about it. Man, that Fitch can fucking fight. I didn’t realize how big he was until I saw him in the octagon with Diego. He is a huge WW.

I also have to say, I was really annoyed by Nakamura’s haircut. That Japanese schoolgirl-do looked ridiculous. No comment on the fucking pink umbrella.

yea it was a great night of fights…i say put Liddell vs. Alexander and Griffen vs. Wanderlei and Jardine vs. Rua…cuz none of these guys deserve a title shot yet…we also have to remember that in Pride steroids were allowed therefore mainly all of them used it for training, im not saying Shogun did but it seemed to me that he might have because he was gassed in the middle of the 2nd which in Pride is only the first round and he got a 1min rest after 5 min in this fight…i say put Jon Fitch vs Koscheck or Parysian or someone up in the top 10 and then give him a title shot..how about Fitch vs. Swick???

Regarding Pride transitions, they’re all great. However the best so far has to be Hendo and Rampage withoutta doubt. Cro Cop is a bust, and it is evident (and sad to say) CC will never dominate the cage. Shogun deserves another chance.
Big Nog didn’t look all that good, Heath Herring is a joke, we’ll see about Wandy. And I’d put my life on Randy destroying (Thats right, destroying) Fedor when he gets to the UFC.

This ufc as brought a few things to my attention..

1. where the hell was lesner?

2. fedor??

3. pride

pride fedor

new rankings
1. ramp
2. hendo
3. houstan
4. jardine
5. chuck
6. machida
7. tito
8. forest
9. sho
10. silva

Jardine Vs Silva
Houston Vs Machida
Forrest vs Rampage

Forrest beat the so-called #1 at 205 he earned it.

It’s the training. Forrest trained and was so jammed for this fight. Shogun wasn’t. I think he believed his hype and thought that his skill would beat the grit. Good for Forrest. He just worked harder, was in way better shape, and let all the hype play to his advantage. I was routing for Shogun, but I’m not entirely surprised at the upset.

I just rewatched the Forrest Vs Shogun fight and my god, Shogun looked like an amateur, completely out of gas in the 2nd round, that is not the Pride FC Shogun, that was another man, jesus what a humiliation. It makes me think though of the claims Juanito and Rampage made about him using steroids in Pride. In Pride he looked lean and fit, in the UFC he looks like a flabby kid. If Rampage fought him today, He would murder Shogun. Griffin Vs Rampage for the title! and it’s gonna be Juanito’s plan Vs Couture’s Plan! It would be a sick chance for Xtreme Couture to hold both the Light HW and HW belts. We’ll see.

Jardine Vs Silva
Houston Vs Machida
Forrest vs Rampage

Forrest beat the so-called #1 at 205 he earned it

YES! i love this match up.. machida will win againts houston.. and wanda will destroy jardine.

[quote comment="156376"]pride fedor

new rankings
1. ramp
2. hendo
3. houstan
4. jardine
5. chuck
6. machida
7. tito
8. forest
9. sho
10. silva[/quote]

Your list is whack man! Tito doesn’t even belong, and no way SHogun gets dropped to 9 from one loss, and Forest only at 8. Wandy is too low and Machida is too high.

1. Rampage (now that Shogun took a big fall, and Wandy is seemingly on the down…Rampages is lookin good by offing Chuck and just being a smidge better(youth) than Hendo)

2. Hendo (Hendo was Soo close with Rampage and would beat the below with his extraordinary skillset)

3. Houston (hardest to rank a mysterious newcome so high bases on beating Sakara and Jardine too otherwise ordinary names, but he looked EXPLOSIVE and murdered the guy(Jardine) that just got by Chuck, however narrow, a win is a win for Jardine over Chuck Jardine soundly shalacked Forrest)

4. Jardine (soundly thumped Forrest and squeeked by Chuck, 2 big names, and however lack luster he is, oddly here he sits…Needs to get put the stamp on Forrest or rematch Alexander cause Rampage will kill him for real!)

5. Forrest( Forrest can’t climb higher cause of Jardine defeat and this being his only real breakthrough win..but whatta HUGE WIN!)

6. Shogun (Would be #1 had he beaten Forrest, or #3 at latest becuase Hendo is that effing good…and Rampage has to be one due to holding the belt…BUT he lost badly, therefore 3-5 can claim a higher spot with they’re triangle of MMA math)

7. Chuck (Favorite fighter, but being honest…devastating loss to Rampage & now Keith Jardine!!? Not knocking Jardine, but he squeeked out out barely cause Chuck has lost any intelligence he once had and become too one dimensional, but unlike CC you know he’s still got the passion)

8.Wandy (since when did losses to a “prime” & larger Crocop and the great Hendo knock you so far down? Plus 2 big wins over Rampage and some on Hendo)can still beat Jardine and guys like Tito, Rashad, etc)

9. Machida..begrudgingly…skilled guy, boring by nature, at least trying, no real test yet, Rich Franklin was a middle weight) He should get Alexander, Jardine, or Forrest.

10. Sokoudjou (yet to enter UFC but wins on Nog and Arona are better than Tito’s ordinaryness and gatekeeper role)

[quote comment="156382"]Jardine Vs Silva
Houston Vs Machida
Forrest vs Rampage

Forrest beat the so-called #1 at 205 he earned it.[/quote]

I approve of this.

[quote comment="156434"][quote comment="156382"]Jardine Vs Silva
Houston Vs Machida
Forrest vs Rampage

Forrest beat the so-called #1 at 205 he earned it.[/quote]

I approve of this.[/quote]

Yes, I too am down with this.

well about chuck..its really parallel to crocop’s situation..too predictable..fighters are evolving and training for fights and breaking down opponents weaknesses and formulating fight strategies;these are the keys to success in about 7 out of 10 fights…
chuck, aside from his age,has a lot of things going against him..he needs to reinvent himsleft or end up like randleman,coleman, or shamrock who were all left behind by the bus called progress..
fitch was a beast..did you see the stare down..diego look like a light weight compared to the larger fitch…kudos for fitch for escaping from diego’s sick submission..
i knew forrest would win..but definitely note via submission..well i dont think bring over priced and over hyped pride fighters are worth the fuzz..
mabuhay ang mga pinoy!!!!

i think machida should get a title shot, even though most of his fights are boring as fuck, haven’t seen the one last night though

diego won that fight do u guys not understand that? ya fitch is a better wrestler. and ya he was ontop of diego for big parts. but diego was trying submission after submission. he almost finished fitch plenty of times. fitch NEVER had diego even close to being in trouble. give me a ab reak. diego won that fight. rounds 1 and 3 were diegos. fuck*n bullsit

thought diego won! and lets not forget anderson silva is a pride vet. hell ov a night 4 mma. perhaps the best!

[quote comment="156440"][quote comment="156434"][quote comment="156382"]Jardine Vs Silva
Houston Vs Machida
Forrest vs Rampage

Forrest beat the so-called #1 at 205 he earned it.[/quote]

I approve of this.[/quote]

Yes, I too am down with this.[/quote]

we should all agree to this!

Evan though there were no ko’s those were some awesome fights last night

best total fight card of the year if not ever!

I say Jardine exposed alot of holes in Liddells game, After last night he did look one dimensional, Jardine did good.

Griffen should fight Rampage next, he looked awesome last night and ready for a title shot.

Fitch too should get a title shot, bullshit split decision should have been unanimous, Fitch all the way

Machida tried to Finish nak, Naks a hard gut to finish. we also saw Machida try to be more aggressive, he looked a little gassed butt i say give him a harder fight he deserves it.

[quote comment="156278"]SHOGUN was gased for some reason! I don’t know why! What the hell going on with Pride fighters? Rampage is the only excpetion so far. will see how Henderson does and Wand. But damn this is nuts! I want to see Fedor in the cage and see what happens with him! If he loses the cage is a cursed or just different from the ring which it is true but I don’t know? I want answers!!!![/quote]

You forgot about Anderson Silva, he was a Pride guy….

Shogun looked as horrible as his brother did last week against Robbie Lawler. I really hope that was all first fight adrenaline that gassed him. Wandy Silva is going to have to represent big time, considering he has the most cage experience for Chute Boxe. Shogun did not even come out like he normally fashion. If it was a roids rage thing then damn it showed. I think with out the the ability to cut off the ring he has a lot of cage work to come. He is going ot have to reinvent his startegy. Silva already has the expreince in cutting off the cage so he should be able to have a much smoother transition to UFC then many of he other pride fighters.

As far as Forrest fight Rampage I do not think they are even in the same league. With the excepetion on Shogun he really has nothing on his resume other then a near win against Tito. Do not get me wrong Forrest is a great competitor and always makes for an exciting fight, standup guy, real personable, but e is not a champion, imo. In the past what beat Rampage was the fast paced Muay Thai that Chute Boxe brings and the only one that I see right now with that kinda style(hard knees, fast aggressive pace, ounches from awkward angles, and durable chin) is Housotn Alexander. Think of the way he has come out his last 2 fights. Explosive and overwhelmingly! I think he may be the only one in the class to give Rampage a real fight. Jardine would get out wrestled by him. Machida can not finish these B level fighters no way is he going to finish Rampage. Bisping is a joke at 205 and I almost wish that they would give him a title shot in London so Rampage could knock the smugness off of his new found friend. Hammill has a long way to go still before he can consider that level of fight. Rampage has proven he has Chucks number. He beat Hendo who has the tightest wrestling in that weight class. So the only real 2 options for Rampage is Alexander and pssibly Wandy Silva depending how he looks getting back to the cage, oh I forgot one other possibilty, Ross “the peoples champ” Pointon finally gets the respect he deserves and get his title shot.

Here is an interesting scenario for the 170 class. GSP beat Kos, Kos beat Diego, Serra defends belt against Hughes. GSP gets winner. KOS is still on top of the food chain, but now so is Fitch. So I wonder when will and with great possibilty, does KOS vs. Fitch happen? That has got to come in to play at some point with the both of them being in the top of the class. I mean who else after Hughes and GSP is there: Karo, Kos, Fitch, and Diego. That is top tier of that class. So I am really hoping Fitch and Kos will have to fight and that fitch would hand Kos his Arse!

[quote comment="156305"]It doesnt matter if he didnt gas. He was good in the first round and Forrest easily won that one.[/quote]
I totally agree. Some fans are saying “he gassed, that’s why he lost” as if to say he would have won otherwise.

Uh… he didn’t gas from just standing in the octagon, he gassed because he was fighting someone who nullified pretty much everything he tried to do! Both guys are well know for pushing an incredible pace… Forrest simply had the edge in strength and wrestling skill and he wore Shogun down.

Anyhow, another GREAT night of fights. I “predicted” Jardine would wear Liddell down with leg kicks. Anyone could see that coming from a mile away. It’s a shame Liddell didn’t have an answer other than to throw his overhand right, as you’re all saying.

[quote comment="156362"]yea it was a great night of fights…i say put Liddell vs. Alexander and Griffen vs. Wanderlei and Jardine vs. Rua…cuz none of these guys deserve a title shot yet…[/quote]
I like the sound of that…if this happends in December. It’ll be TUF vs. ChuteBox!

Chuck Liddell is the new Tito Ortiz.

I saw it last night, Chuck had no heart.

Chuck Liddell, is the most famous face, he is doing movies, tv shows, music videos making alot of public apperences, but what he is not doing is training extenisivly.

Liddell has everything, but does he still have that drive that made him a champion?

I say no.

Did you all see Wanderlei, he was extremely pissed, but you could not feel that bad, with Jason Mayhem Miller in the back smiling and appearing in every Wanderlei shot.

Lyoto Machida looked incredible like always. He hit Nakamura with some heavy shots, and I think that the Liddell/Jardine match got booed more than Machida/Nakamura.

Nakamura, is not cut for the UFC. It would be nice to see a Karo/Nakamura fight to witness Judo, but the difference between those two are is that Karo is a well rounded fighter, Nakamura is not.

Fitch/Sanchez- very entertaining, Deigo was very very very agressive on his back attempting submission over and over and over. Fitch showed that he is the top 4 of the Welterweight division. Fitch is the most complete fighter in that division. He can wrestle, strike, submit, and has incredible defense.

Forrest/Shogun- I was cheering hard for Forrest because I predicted him to win, but did I do that via submission… uh. NO! I do not think one person said Forrest would make Shogun tap out, if they said they did.. they are lying. I thought Forrest would knock out Shogun in Round 1. But a round 3 submission…. WOW!!! Forrest is one tough cookie. I loved his speech saying he got depressed and ate alot of cookies. Shogun looked awful. I knew cage fright would get to him. People say that Chute Boxe trains hard in a cage, well they did not train hard enough. Shogun got scared. I think Shogun still has everything for him considering he is only 25, but I think with this division he needs to get back on his high horse.

GRIFFIN/THIAGO- What a great opener. This fight could be a fight of the year candidate. These two fighters deserve to be in the octagon. Griffin is one heck of a fighter. Thiago is an incredible fighter. This fight was amazing.

Liddell/Jardine- Jardine’s style threw Chuck off horribly. I do believe that Chuck Liddell has lost his drive, because Jardine left himself open multiple times and Chuck just stood back. Was Chuck scared to get Knocked Out? I honestly think that Chuck was scared and has lost his drive. Jardine won that fight fair and square I think he dominated in every aspect.

Is Liddell done?

This card is so hard to top, but when you got Rich/Silva, Vera/Slyvia… and of course I will be there.. IT is shaping up to be awesome. Less than 1 month!

NC -17,

Enjoyed reading your breakdown.

I was left thinking, after the Lidell fight, that he could adapt some of Jardine’s tactics and be a better fighter. I agree that he has lost some of his drive. I still dont think that chuck was in adequate shape for this fight. His stomach is still distended leading me to believe that he is not doing enough core training. I think if chuck throws some more kicks that he has some more miles if he wants it.

The Griffin/Thiago fight – Instant Classic. The level of fighting has been raised. Get on board or get your but kicked.

Almost too much to digest in one night – what a great night!

Peace

[quote comment="156424"]Jardine Vs Silva
Houston Vs Machida
Forrest vs Rampage

Forrest beat the so-called #1 at 205 he earned it

YES! i love this match up.. machida will win againts houston.. and wanda will destroy jardine.[/quote]

Those are great match-ups.

[quote comment="156278"]SHOGUN was gased for some reason! I don’t know why! What the hell going on with Pride fighters? Rampage is the only excpetion so far. will see how Henderson does and Wand. But damn this is nuts! I want to see Fedor in the cage and see what happens with him! If he loses the cage is a cursed or just different from the ring which it is true but I don’t know? I want answers!!!![/quote]

Yeah, what the hell did happen to Shogun? The guys is used to fighting a 10 minute first round, but he gets gassed in the middle of the second 5 minute round? My housemate and I think that maybe the steroid testing that the UFC does may have something to do with it. The Pride guys just look small and out of shape when they fight over here. Shogun looked like he needs to work out a little more.

AFTER SEEIN FORREST LAST NIGHT I WOULDNT BE SURPRISED AT ALL IF HE BEATS RAMPAGE ASSUMING HE GETS A TITLE SHOT. AS FAR AS JARDINE/GRIFFIN GOES I THINK IF THEY FOUGHT AGAIN FORREST WOULD WIN NOT TAKING ANYTHING AWAY FROM KEITH HE IS A HELL OF A FIGHTER. I THINK EVERY1 SEES THAT TUF FIGHTERS ARE FOR REAL ITS REALLY FUNNY, LAST WEEK I WAS READING HOW TUF FIGHTERS WERENT THAT GOOD AND SHOGUN WAS GONNA PROVE THAT..I BELIEVE THAT JARDINE AND FORREST ARE TOP 5 CONTENDERS!!

DAMN!!! I can’t believe I had to miss this PPV!!! Good for Forest scoring one for the UFC. Ive always had the opinion that Pride is not better than UFC, instead I believe that both organizations produced very exceptional fighters. I never thought Jardine would take Liddel!! I thought I was reading this wrong. Wow, I really missed out.

I think some of these pride fighters are just buying into their own hype that Pride is better than the UFC. I still believe Shogun is top 3, every fighter has a bad day. Hopefully he will adjust his training and come back better. Otherwise we may see him end up like CC, who will likely retire with a mediocre record in the UFC.

[quote comment="156602"]Was Chuck scared to get Knocked Out? I honestly think that Chuck was scared and has lost his drive.[/quote]
Did you see his left side? It was a huge bruise/welt! I can only imagine what his left thigh looked like. He got beat up!

Was he scared of getting knocked out? Maybe… but he was also physically hurting. Don’t get me wrong, I like to see fighter put it all “on the line” but they are human.

I guess what I’m saying is that we saw they same Liddell we always see… but as someone else said, he wasn’t facing a grappler with weak stand-up, he was facing a fellow striker who is just as unorthodox as he is. It was a great fight, both guys brought it, but Jardine did more. Chuck simply relies too much on his overhand right.

Well Well Well has anybody else noticed the absence of our beloved “pride fighters are the best fighters in the universe” Fans? I do remember all those long days spent reading blogs on why shogun is the top lhw in the world and there is NOBODY that can beat him……(pause for pride fans to think up excuses). Goes to show doesn’t matter who you are or what organization you came from or how crazy your fans are theres no one who is unbeatable or so much better then another fighter anymore.

Stupid TUF 6. Being the most stacked division and prolonging the bout for Serra and Hughes leaves a lot of contenders waiting for the ladder.

[quote comment="156602"]Chuck Liddell is the new Tito Ortiz.

I saw it last night, Chuck had no heart.

Chuck Liddell, is the most famous face, he is doing movies, tv shows, music videos making alot of public apperences, but what he is not doing is training extenisivly.

Liddell has everything, but does he still have that drive that made him a champion?

I say no.

Did you all see Wanderlei, he was extremely pissed, but you could not feel that bad, with Jason Mayhem Miller in the back smiling and appearing in every Wanderlei shot.

Lyoto Machida looked incredible like always. He hit Nakamura with some heavy shots, and I think that the Liddell/Jardine match got booed more than Machida/Nakamura.

Nakamura, is not cut for the UFC. It would be nice to see a Karo/Nakamura fight to witness Judo, but the difference between those two are is that Karo is a well rounded fighter, Nakamura is not.

Fitch/Sanchez- very entertaining, Deigo was very very very agressive on his back attempting submission over and over and over. Fitch showed that he is the top 4 of the Welterweight division. Fitch is the most complete fighter in that division. He can wrestle, strike, submit, and has incredible defense.

Forrest/Shogun- I was cheering hard for Forrest because I predicted him to win, but did I do that via submission… uh. NO! I do not think one person said Forrest would make Shogun tap out, if they said they did.. they are lying. I thought Forrest would knock out Shogun in Round 1. But a round 3 submission…. WOW!!! Forrest is one tough cookie. I loved his speech saying he got depressed and ate alot of cookies. Shogun looked awful. I knew cage fright would get to him. People say that Chute Boxe trains hard in a cage, well they did not train hard enough. Shogun got scared. I think Shogun still has everything for him considering he is only 25, but I think with this division he needs to get back on his high horse.

GRIFFIN/THIAGO- What a great opener. This fight could be a fight of the year candidate. These two fighters deserve to be in the octagon. Griffin is one heck of a fighter. Thiago is an incredible fighter. This fight was amazing.

Liddell/Jardine- Jardine’s style threw Chuck off horribly. I do believe that Chuck Liddell has lost his drive, because Jardine left himself open multiple times and Chuck just stood back. Was Chuck scared to get Knocked Out? I honestly think that Chuck was scared and has lost his drive. Jardine won that fight fair and square I think he dominated in every aspect.

Is Liddell done?

This card is so hard to top, but when you got Rich/Silva, Vera/Slyvia… and of course I will be there.. IT is shaping up to be awesome. Less than 1 month![/quote]

excellent analysis all around. I couldn’t agree more.

[quote comment="156294"]I still want to know why Shogun was gased by the 2nd round. He was!!!!!! thats what made the difference! Why be gased in your first UFC fight??? Even though you’re in Pride before[/quote]

TitoG, I was thinking about all this too and to me, something just isn’t right in this equation. Pride guys like Shogun are coming from 10 minute rounds and he could barely stand after 3 minutes. Much respect for Forrest to bring it strong, he was great, but there has to be more to it than this. Neither of these two guys are my favorite so I’m calling it right down the middle here. Shogun was lacking that aggression that he had in Pride. I wouldn’t doubt it that Wanderlei will come into the Octagon and lack that famous aggression too.

I’m going to throw this one out there, but given Pride doesn’t test, a couple of these dudes must have shot something to give them that drive and aggression, not necessarily roids (although it may have been) but a shot of something that the UFC bans that provides that bolt of aggression, of intensity. Take a look at Cro Cop’s aggression and intensity in the UFC, look in Pride, see the difference? Just one year ago, OWGP champion, now yawning in the cage. If you put a censor on Shogun’s face during that fight, and didn’t know he was fighting, would you have thought that was Shogun?

Yes, Anderson Silva was a pride guy and so was Rampage, but I there is something up with a couple of the guys that goes beyond training and mental attitude.

Perhaps the face stomping and soccer kicks rule created that intensity…knowing that they are allowed to stomp or kick goals with someones head as the ball provided that extra boost and intensity?

TitoG, I’m just as confused and perplexed as you are dude.

Not impressed by Chuck at all, he should have tried to mix it up a bit but have we ever seen chuck do anything other than strike?

Chuck-will retire to party like a rock star.

I think a Silva vs Alexander would be a great fight.

Hats off to Forest. Nothing like a humble say it like it is guy.

[quote comment="156502"]diego won that fight do u guys not understand that? ya fitch is a better wrestler. and ya he was ontop of diego for big parts. but diego was trying submission after submission. he almost finished fitch plenty of times. fitch NEVER had diego even close to being in trouble. give me a ab reak. diego won that fight. rounds 1 and 3 were diegos. fuck*n bullsit[/quote]

Truthfullly, that fight was so razor close that either guy could have won the decision and deserved it. It was a helluva scrap no matter who your fave is & both deserve respect for putting on such a great show. They’re both winners in my eyes.

I’ve always thought Diego was over-hyped & that he won what in my opinion was his biggest fight against Karo by simply having more gas. Dont let the knee that knocked out Karo’s tooth fool ya, had the 2 had equal gas tanks, Karo would have won that fight. However, after his performance against Fitch last night, I have all the respect in the world for Diego as a fighter but I still hafta pass on his personality.

Shogun was not himself. What was up with him going for the leg the whole fight. Where was the Shogun that dominated people in the clinch. He looked tired after the first round and he was looking like a little girl in there. Shogun is my favortie fighter but if keeps on fighting like this, I will stop watching his fights. Wanderlei better not do the same thing. Even though I hate Forrest for beating my favorite fighter he did earn it so let him fight Rampage.

Here is my analysis:

Shogun looked really bad! He must have been on steroids before, because he looked really out of shape. Shogun is not a cage fighter- he is a ring fighter. You have to be really strong in the cage because you are pushing/ or being pushed towards the cage which takes power and energy. The ring takes more finesse and the Pride rules are set up for a more freestyle fighter.

If the UFC guys all had to come over to Pride and fight in the ring with Pride rules you would have the same effect. Could you imagine Randy not being able to push an opponent up against a cage- he would of lost to Gonzaga. There are few guys who are Cage and ring fighters Rampage, A Silva, and Hendo are both. Forrest Griffin in the ring he would get out finessed any day of the year. The cage takes grit and raw strength like Rampage and Couture have. The ring takes finesse like Shogun and CC have. Shogun will do well if he is smart and adapts he has age on his side, so he can still turn things around. Oh yeah and Chuck Liddell I always knew he was overrated.

Peace

[quote comment="156634"]Well Well Well has anybody else noticed the absence of our beloved “pride fighters are the best fighters in the universe” Fans? I do remember all those long days spent reading blogs on why shogun is the top lhw in the world and there is NOBODY that can beat him……(pause for pride fans to think up excuses). Goes to show doesn’t matter who you are or what organization you came from or how crazy your fans are theres no one who is unbeatable or so much better then another fighter anymore.[/quote]

CREEKS: I’ll admit, I had to eat some “humble pie” on Cro Cop & now on Shogun. Despite that, I was 110% right about Rampage & Anderson Silva!!

The main problem that Cro Cop & Shogun have are that they no longer have the much smaller ring to stalk & corner their opponents in. This isnt an excuse but rather a hurdle.

A prime example of the opposite would be when Chuck fought Rampage in PRIDE. You could see Chuck struggle with getting caught in the corners & not having the same range of motion in the smaller space. I dont bring this up to excuse that loss (I’ve always preached that Chuck was over-rated) but rather to point out the significant difference between fighting in a ring or in a cage.

It can’t possibly be easy for a fighter who’s used to doing things 1 way for so many years to suddenly have to pull a “180″ & expect to be equally effective.

I think we learned most recently from the Forrest vs Shogun fight that a fighter no longer wins on skill alone. If that fight didnt wake up MMA fighters as whole to the fact that you MUST train your body & mind to be prepared for all aspects of the game then nothing ever will. Those who refuse to believe it will get brutally replaced by those who do.

Any Pride “mystique” is done now. Shogun was exposed. Gassed in the second round when he was used to fighting 10 minute opening rounds in Pride. I guess when you take his ‘roids away he falls apart? That was disappointing.

Forrest really proved something to me last night too, I won’t rip him anymore thats for sure. Pride “superstars” just can’t hang with the UFC boys apparently. I stand corrected. Now just get Fedor over here so Randy can whip him and it will be over.

Like I said, anything can happen and anyone can lose at anytime. I wouldn’t have picked jardine of griffin to win but I wouldn’t put money on any fights in the light heavy weight division. Its unpredictable anymore, even Randy picked chuck to win and he is never wrong. The only for sure thing is every fight is up for grabs. The only fighter I would bet on right now is Anderson Silva and thats because he looked impressive in every aspect of the game(standing, submissions, the clinch,) what can’t he do? Look for Rich Franklin to be destroyed again! As for who deserves a shot at Rampage I can’t call it. If Wand wins in december give him a shot. Forrest may have beat Rua but I think he needs another big win and so does Jardine. I agree with Wand and Alexander lockin em up in December and the winner gets Rampage. I think that will be a hell of a fight.

[quote comment="156382"]Jardine Vs Silva
Houston Vs Machida
Forrest vs Rampage

Forrest beat the so-called #1 at 205 he earned it.[/quote]

Those are perfect match-ups. I agree 100%.

[quote comment="156707"]Like I said, anything can happen and anyone can lose at anytime. I wouldn’t have picked jardine of griffin to win but I wouldn’t put money on any fights in the light heavy weight division. Its unpredictable anymore, even Randy picked chuck to win and he is never wrong. The only for sure thing is every fight is up for grabs. The only fighter I would bet on right now is Anderson Silva and thats because he looked impressive in every aspect of the game(standing, submissions, the clinch,) what can’t he do? Look for Rich Franklin to be destroyed again! As for who deserves a shot at Rampage I can’t call it. If Wand wins in december give him a shot. Forrest may have beat Rua but I think he needs another big win and so does Jardine. I agree with Wand and Alexander lockin em up in December and the winner gets Rampage. I think that will be a hell of a fight.[/quote]

Griffin and Jardine need more big wins? Who else do both guys need to beat? Does it get bigger than beating Liddell and Rua to get a title shot?

Griffen/Tavares-This fight became very technical from the start, and we all know who one of the most technical guys are in the LW div…..Tyson Griffen. It was no surprise he won this fight via UD.

[quote comment="156502"]diego won that fight do u guys not understand that? ya fitch is a better wrestler. and ya he was ontop of diego for big parts. but diego was trying submission after submission. he almost finished fitch plenty of times. fitch NEVER had diego even close to being in trouble. give me a ab reak. diego won that fight. rounds 1 and 3 were diegos. fuck*n bullsit[/quote]

So If attempting a submission is better than pounding your opponent then that would change the way people fight? I could fight in the UFC, attempt tons of submissions while getting pounded. Fitch landed a ton of punches from dominant positions. Was never in trouble from any of the submission attempts. A submission ‘attempt’ in my opinion is worthless unless it leads to a submission.

[quote comment="156535"]

You forgot about Anderson Silva, he was a Pride guy….[/quote]

I pointed this out before, that while Anderson Silva did fight in Pride, he fought in Cage the Rage for about 16 months before coming to the UFC. So he knew more what to expect in the cage then other fighters who came directly from pride (by came directly from pride I mean guys whos last figth was in pride and next fight was in the UFC.)

Rampage is the only one to fight his last fight in pride, come to the UFC and win, and didn’t even do it well over Eastman.

All I have to say is way to go Forrest. I picked all of them correctly except I picked Chuck over Keith.

Machida/Nakamura- This fight sucked as does all of Machida’s fights. He was a lot stronger than Nakamura,m dominated the whole fight and still couldnt finish him. I thought that to be sad. Nakamura really didnt seem to stand a chance. I havent seen him fight before, but I liked the pink umbrella he brought at the beginning of the fight.

i was at the fight, c for the fights but i gave it an f for ufc personal.
first i got in line to meet rampage i go to get his pic and some jerk off in back bum rushes him, and i ddin’t get the pic, probably one guy in line waiting an hour that didn’t get his pic. then i go to meet dana white, i am 2 feet from the jerk, i wait patiently to get his autograph and thank him for what he has done, and one by one fans just cut in front of me to get their pics taken, and after everyone is done he looks at me and walks away. what a ass. everything there was way overpriced, and there was a huge traffic jam in the parking lot, no one moved for 30 min cause they had all the cars going out one way when there were 2 other gates open but no exits signs pointing or people showing the cars where to get out off.

for the fights, it was awesome i was 2 rows up from floor seats, right in the middle. saw alot of fighters there, tank, big daddy, tito, silva, hendo, kos, even lambert made a appearance.
shogun looked awful, he gassed out in 2nd round, went for the legs,cuddled in a ball, it was disgusting i knew forrest was gonna win after 1st round. i think there were more cheers for forrest than lidell.
my favorite fight going in was to see fitch kick sanchez’s butt, and he lived up to his expectations and dominated sanchez.
griffin vs tavarez was explosive, fast, i knew it was gonna go 3 rounds and it did as well as the boring machida fight .

now comes jardine, wow!!!
everyone booed him when he came in, i didn’t i like the guy but like everyone i thought he had no chance in hell of winning the fight. but man he looked awesome, those kicks were just brutal i could hear the slap of it and see the redness on lidell’s side. he was like a mad scientist out there his fighting style moving around, like someone on crack at one time he motioned to him to take a swing and was taunting him. he clearly won the fight,
afterwards there was no post fight interview in the ring for chuck. i thought it was sad and cowardly of him. or maybe dana didn’t want rogan interviewing him.
on the way home i had alot to think about with my friends, now that shogun and lidell lost, who is rampage gonna fight??
we came up with forest griffin, i think he deserved it. then maybe jardine since he was in the main event and performed. it won’t be hendo or silva. if tito can beat rashad in fashion i don’t see why he wouldn’t be in the mix. rampage is no doubt number one but i think now he might have that belt for a long time.
2nd fitch was awesome one more win and he should be in for a title shot against winner or gsp vs serra/hughes winner.
who does he fight next i say karyo if he gets by opponent in nov.
then there is machida he is also in the mix, in light weight.
who does randy fight now that cro cop lost??
who does rampage now that shogun and lidell lost??
who would the winner of the silva vs franklin fight fight next in that weak division??

[quote comment="156631"][quote comment="156602"]Was Chuck scared to get Knocked Out? I honestly think that Chuck was scared and has lost his drive.[/quote]
Did you see his left side? It was a huge bruise/welt! I can only imagine what his left thigh looked like. He got beat up!

Was he scared of getting knocked out? Maybe… but he was also physically hurting. Don’t get me wrong, I like to see fighter put it all “on the line” but they are human.

I guess what I’m saying is that we saw they same Liddell we always see… but as someone else said, he wasn’t facing a grappler with weak stand-up, he was facing a fellow striker who is just as unorthodox as he is. It was a great fight, both guys brought it, but Jardine did more. Chuck simply relies too much on his overhand right.[/quote]

His left side looked awful, but honestly, Jardine did the same 1-2 kick combos over and over and Chuck knew what was coming, and Jardine left his hands down, and Chuck did not attack. Joe Rogan did say it the best, Jardine picked apart the ribs and the leg of Liddell which could of taken alot of power and confidence out of Chuck Liddell. Chuck seemed just to be too relaxed, he kind of reminded me similiar to Deigo in his fight with Josh Koscheck. The fire was not in Chuck. Chuck did not rush Jardine to the cage and start throwing bombs. I honestly think Chuck was scared he was going to get caught again. I mean, this guy is practically the face of UFC, everybody always has him on thier shows to promote UFC. After his knockout to Rampage, people have seen that Chuck can get caught, and I think he thought if he got caught again people would just completely jump off the band wagon.

Jardine proved he wanted to be there, Jardine had fire, he was like Matt Serra. He was underestimated. Nobody gave Jardine a chance, I gave Jardine a chance, and I thought it could go either way, but I stand by my word, and I picked Chuck to win. Jardine looked like Forrest when he fought Hector. Jardine was a more confident fighter who did not just go in there and attack attack attack with punches trying to make a fight exciting. Jardine picked his spots, repeatly. Jardine was a patient fight who knew when to attack and when to retreat. Jardine looked like a very smart fighter who knew exactly what he was doing. If Jardine fights like this, I dont know who can beat him? I mean Jardine is no Rampage Jackson, but Jardine is no push-over. He does have decent BJJ and decent wrestling, but he perfers to strike.

Jardine is becoming more like Forrest Griffin. Look at it. Forrest got KNOCKED OUT by Jardine, and then he came back more confident and more smarter. Forrest did not run out there against Hector and try to have a haymaker fight. Forrest looked patient and took the fight to the ground against Shogun.

Jardine got KNOCKED OUT by Houston Alexander, he comes out against Liddell, a more precise striker, who picks his spots, and who remainded calm and stuck to the game plan.

If you dont think Jardine is becoming more like Forrest, then I dunno. I just gave you a picture perfect analysis on how they are turning out to be almost a exact replica of one another.

I think we need a Jardine/Griffin II be cause both fighters are more well rounded and smarter than they were when they fought at UFC 66.

Liddell/Jardine lived up the be a Main Event match, when everybody (except for some) who bagged on Jardine not being main event material. Jardine was the underdog who had that strive and that “eye of the tiger” that I saw when he fought Forrest.

Jardine is no joke, he is one tough dude.

Fight of The Night is extremely Hard.

Shogun/Forrest
Liddell/Jardine
Griffin/Thiago
Fitch/Sanchez
Wiman/Owigama?
I will ever give a Lyoto/Nakamura in a fight of the night category.

I think we need to see a Alexander/Silva fight. I think a Jardine/Machida fight needs to be in the mix as well. Forrest without a doubt, beat the best 205 pounder in the world, and now he deserves a shot, at now the best 205 pounder in the world, Rampage Jackson.

For Liddell I have no idea what is next for him? This division is stacked, and I dont see anybody just being a stepping stone for Liddell in this division.

I mean, like I said, I for one think Chuck Liddell’s next fight needs to be on Free TV. I think a Liddell/Shamrock bout needs to be in the making to get Chuck a win, or heck Ross Pointon will fight anybody give me a Liddell/Pointon to get Liddell back on track.

For Rua, same thing for Liddell, there is no stepping stone in this division, Maybe a Ricardo Arcona vs. Shogun Rua.

I think Rua needs to fight the winner of Tito/Rashad II.

This division is so stacked its not funny.

Fitch/Sanchez- Jon Fitch has no flaws in his game, as good as Diego is, he kept trying to find one of Fitch’s weaknesses but he just couldnt find any to exploit. Yes, Fitch is that good. I thought personally he should have won UD, the only reason Diego caught one of the judges eyes (I assume) is because of desperate submission attempts. Jon Fitch is a future champion for sure. It’s only a matter of time. I see even GSP having a very difficult time with this guy.

Griffen/Shogun- This was an awesome fight. I originally picked Forrest to win but not by submission. Shogun busted Forrest up so bad in the second round with that elbow, I thought if he opened it up again in the third, the fight might get stoppped. That cut is so wide on Forrest’s head, its gonna be a scar for life, if not a very very long time. Forrest has heart of gold though. He wore Shogun out, his cardio really paid off. Shogun still looked very good in this fight. I think Shogun thought that Forrest stood too much of a chance on the feet and kept trying to take Forrest down, which he did at first and dominated him, but then Forrest caught on to that and adapted when he stuffed the last 2 or 3 takedown attempts and battled back to eventually get the choke. Griffen is awesome, so I dont want to hear anymore Forrest is a “B” lvl fighter crap from people who think they know everything.

Griffinseamslikea muchbetter fighter now that he’straining with Randy. Damn! can Randy come up with game plans or what! Someone please put Randy on the job to come up with a good exit strategy for Iraq. Randy for president!

Liddell/Jardine- I know know what to to say about this fight, that hasnt already been said. Liddell just relys too much on his striking ability. Sure, he turned Jardines face into a plate of mashed potatoes, but Jardine knew that it would take more than that for Chuck to win, apparently Chuck did not. Chuck did nothing but stike the entire fight with the lone exception of a spinning back kick and spinning back hand attempt. If Chuck would have thrown a few more kicks in the mix, hell, he coulda won that easy, but noooooooo, he relies too much on that right hand! I hope this is a HUGE wake up call for Chuck to add some mix to his game. Grats to Jardine. This card flat out destroyed the LHW standings, and is completely out of whack, except that Rampage is now truly at the number 1 spot. You’re guess is as good as mine about whom is fighting whom next. Grats to Jardine for knowing how to win, and getting it done.

[quote comment="156710"][quote comment="156382"]Jardine Vs Silva
Houston Vs Machida
Forrest vs Rampage

Forrest beat the so-called #1 at 205 he earned it.[/quote]

Those are perfect match-ups. I agree 100%.[/quote]
I like this idea as well. But Shogun gets … Tito/Rashad winner? Chuck Liddell gets… Jason Lambert? Too many possiblities to comtemplate. I would still like to have Joe Silva’s job though

AKA has got some issues, GSP and KOS fought for what i understood was for the #1 contender spot. With Fitch beating Sanchez, one would assume that he would be inline to face his teammate. GSP should still be fighting for the title next after the Serra/Hughes fight. Fitch is definitely Top 5 but theres still Karo and KOS that need to be worked out.

UFC76 exceeded my expectations!

I love watching Jardine’s leg kicks, I just wish the crowd would chant loudly on each swing.
Diego lost again, woohoo!
Awesome pace set by Griffin as usual.
After the dust settled Griffin to victor.

Send Cro Cop & Shogun to WEC for some cage training.

I Really think that for a few months i feel a little ripped off with the UFC’S PPV’s. After the main bout in the not so distant past, they would show you 1-at least 2 of the “undercard” fights. Especially with this UFC 76, with no 5 rounders, why didn’t we seee some of the other fights. I dont want to log into the UFC’S WEbsite and pay even more money.
Remember the last PRIDE EVENT?!?!?!?
THAT WAS A SATISFYING EVENT. I see this MMA thing which i luv going steadily towards the way boxing is one championship “belt” bout and maybe 1-2 other fights. THe UFC is headed down a slippery path with shorter and shorter PPV’s.
AND their marketing??? they shoyuld find out who all these peoople are who are purchasing their PPV’s and send them something special or just put us on a great e-mail list.
DOes anyone her me?

[quote comment="156275"]I wouldn’t consider Lidell washed up despite what people may say. The only fights he has lost recently are getting caught on the button by Rampage who is the world champion, and this decision. You can’t say Jardine whipped his ass, Lidell just couldn’t land any of his vicious stikes. Jardine was well prepared, and fought a great fight.[/quote]

I don’t think Jardine whipped is ass but he did a number on his ribs and lead leg

man i’m happy. for a card that only had one fight not go to judges i was quite pleased. i can’t see why people are saying it was the worst card, i beg to differ. this wast he best card they’ve had in the last year IMHO. Here i bought the card thinking it was going to be one of the weakest ones and i was wrong, i was on the edge of my seat the entire night!

then again i’m also happy that i went 3 for 3 on my picks for last night.

Do you guys really think Machida’s stand up is strong enough for Alexander. I think Alexander’s aggression will completely overwhelm Machida. Machida won’t make 3 rounds with Alexander, because he lacks finishing power.
Unless he catches Alexander the way he caught Franklin with a shin kick to the face, and even then I ? whether it would be enough.

[quote comment="156710"][quote comment="156382"]Jardine Vs Silva
Houston Vs Machida
Forrest vs Rampage

Forrest beat the so-called #1 at 205 he earned it.[/quote]

Those are perfect match-ups. I agree 100%.[/quote]
Houston beat Jardine and Jardine beat forrest so give credit where it is a due. Houston is clearly the number one contender and has the better chance of beating rampage.

I have to admit when the Jardine fight went to the judges I was expecting another Hamill judging fiasco. Confidence restored. Now, please no roids…

[quote comment="156770"]I have to admit when the Jardine fight went to the judges I was expecting another Hamill judging fiasco. Confidence restored. Now, please no roids…[/quote]

That is what I was sayin…I was thinking, here we go with another fake decision, this time to set up the Wandy fight. Why did that one guy even give it to Chuck? It was 3 rounds to 0 Jardine. Thankfully they didn’t mess up this time.

That card was awesome, whoever is saying it was bad are just chuck nuthuggers who are crying that he lost. Great fights, forrest suprised the shit out of me, he gets rampage next!

[quote comment="156789"]That card was awesome, whoever is saying it was bad are just chuck nuthuggers who are crying that he lost. Great fights, forrest suprised the shit out of me, he gets rampage next![/quote]
Don’t forget the Pride nuthuggers! Awesome card!
Why can’t we all just be great fight nuthuggers?

It’s obvious that shogun used steriods in Pride. He can’t soccer kick anyone now and his brother got destroyed too. Love it.

[quote comment="156799"]It’s obvious that shogun used steriods in Pride. He can’t soccer kick anyone now and his brother got destroyed too. Love it.[/quote]

I’m going to take this a step further.

IN PRIDE, THESE FIGHTERS HAVE ALL USED STEROIDS TO GET THEIR INTENSITY AND AGGRESSION! Then when coupled with soccer kicks and stomps to the head while down, that anger only gets more escalated.

If you wanna jump all over me and say, no it’s the UFC guys who are better, and Forrest (and the other fighters) just dominated because he has more skills etc. go ahead. It’s time someone says it like it is.

Explain this:
1. Cro Cop dominates the OWGP just one year ago this month (not five or six years back but just last year). He beats Wanderlei and Barnett in one night!! He comes here and pretty much falls asleep in the Octagon.

2. Nogueira comes here and looks out of it, lazy, just plain bad. Thankfully he fought Herring (also a Pride user) who is more out of it than he is.

2. Gomi was the best lightweight in the world. After 10 minute rounds would jump on the top rope and run around like it’s nothing. Came to the states, and started to gas in 2 minutes.

3. Shogun is the most devastating LHW in the game today (when on Steroids that is). He comes here and loses to a reality tv star. In the process, Shogun is so exhausted that he can barely fight. People, it wasn’t a war, Griffin didn’t nullify his game or dominate him. Without steriods, he didn’t have the aggression or that intensity.

4. Wandy came to the states and fought Henderson. Wandy was the worst I ever saw him in that fight. Moved around slowly and then got knocked out. No aggression whatsoever compared to his roided personality in Pride. Why? cause Nevada tests and he couldn’t juice.

Of course there are guys like Anderson Silva and Rampage. But hey, doesn’t every concept have an outlier?

These Pride guys have not taken the UFC guys lightly. They have trained their asses off but without roids they can’t be what they were in Pride.

Sadly, this whole Pride coming to the UFC thing, has become one big joke and last night was the exclamation mark.

[quote comment="156767"][quote comment="156710"][quote comment="156382"]Jardine Vs Silva
Houston Vs Machida
Forrest vs Rampage

Forrest beat the so-called #1 at 205 he earned it.[/quote]

Those are perfect match-ups. I agree 100%.[/quote]
Houston beat Jardine and Jardine beat forrest so give credit where it is a due. Houston is clearly the number one contender and has the better chance of beating rampage.[/quote]

PLEASE STOP. One victory against Jardine does not make you the top contender. Houston v Machida is perfect. I would throw Silva against Rampage right away. Don’t wait for something crazy to happen. Silva beat him twice so there is a good story there.

I think Liddell needs some time away from fighting. Then come back re-charged like Randy did. I’m hoping there’s a LHW that Liddell hates to watch, just like Randy hated watching Tim Sylvia “defend” his title.

[quote comment="156799"]It’s obvious that shogun used steriods in Pride. He can’t soccer kick anyone now and his brother got destroyed too. Love it.[/quote]

How is it obvious that he used steriods

man some of these posts blow my mind. chuck is just a boxer, but in the same breath people are bringing up alexander in belt talks??? the guy has had 2 fights where he walked up to his opponents and just started swinging. let him get a few more wins and we’ll see. i’m not impressed so far, way too much talent in that division. as much as i hate to admit it i think chuck might be on the way out, no way he loses that fight 3 years ago. i still think he fights wandi first. they are both on losing streaks and the fans have been waiting too long. mark my words page won’t be champ for long, that belt is going to switch hands quite often over the next 2 years.

[quote comment="156680"]Shogun was not himself. What was up with him going for the leg the whole fight. Where was the Shogun that dominated people in the clinch. He looked tired after the first round and he was looking like a little girl in there. Shogun is my favortie fighter but if keeps on fighting like this, I will stop watching his fights. Wanderlei better not do the same thing. Even though I hate Forrest for beating my favorite fighter he did earn it so let him fight Rampage.[/quote]

..I think Forrest needs one more fight..

Forrest lost to Jardine..then beat Hector..

Jardine beat Forrest..lost to Alexander..now beat Chuck

Wandi will soon debut in December..most likely against Jardine

Machida is undefeated..

I think Jardine vs Wandi

Forrest vs Machida

the winner faces eachother to decide who fights Rampage next..the loser fights Houston.

Chuck Liddell is a ONE-DIMENSIONAL fighter. The only reason that he went on that amazing victory streak is because all the fighters that he challenged tried to take him to the ground. Chuck’s sprawl is one of the best, and it is dangerous to take him down because they might get a severe punch that will knock them out. When he faces a fighter like Jardine, he has a difficult time because Jardine’s strength is his boxing as well. ALTHOUGH I REALLY WANTED TO SEE LIDDELL FIGHT WANDERLEI AGAIN, you can’t get mad at Jardine for being the better striker(in that fight anyway).

[quote comment="156858"]Chuck Liddell is a ONE-DIMENSIONAL fighter. The only reason that he went on that amazing victory streak is because all the fighters that he challenged tried to take him to the ground. Chuck’s sprawl is one of the best, and it is dangerous to take him down because they might get a severe punch that will knock them out. When he faces a fighter like Jardine, he has a difficult time because Jardine’s strength is his boxing as well. ALTHOUGH I REALLY WANTED TO SEE LIDDELL FIGHT WANDERLEI AGAIN, you can’t get mad at Jardine for being the better striker(in that fight anyway).[/quote]

again?

[quote comment="156686"]Here is my analysis:

Shogun looked really bad! He must have been on steroids before, because he looked really out of shape. Shogun is not a cage fighter- he is a ring fighter. You have to be really strong in the cage because you are pushing/ or being pushed towards the cage which takes power and energy. The ring takes more finesse and the Pride rules are set up for a more freestyle fighter.

If the UFC guys all had to come over to Pride and fight in the ring with Pride rules you would have the same effect. Could you imagine Randy not being able to push an opponent up against a cage- he would of lost to Gonzaga. There are few guys who are Cage and ring fighters Rampage, A Silva, and Hendo are both. Forrest Griffin in the ring he would get out finessed any day of the year. The cage takes grit and raw strength like Rampage and Couture have. The ring takes finesse like Shogun and CC have. Shogun will do well if he is smart and adapts he has age on his side, so he can still turn things around. Oh yeah and Chuck Liddell I always knew he was overrated.

Peace[/quote]
Wow! I couldn’t have said it better you are 100 percent right

I think that when it comes to Shogun he was definitly doing somekind of substance that helped him in japan because i have never seen him in that bad of shape. And if he fought this improved Rampage he would get destroyed. Forrest is definitly a top contender. In my mind he beat Tito and he was whoopin Keith ass until he got to relaxed and got caught but he was never actually out.

I was more impressed with diego than i was with Fitch. I now Fitch won but Diego just went for a dozen submition and Fitch just layed in top of him and used his EXTREME SIZE advantage to get out. He was HUGE compared to Diego.

I feel that Chuck is washed up. He just doesnt want to change how he fights. He has terrible technique and just relies on his KO power. I think he is gonna end up worse than Shamrock. And before this fight i thought he could beat Wandy but now i think he would just get KTFO.

[quote comment="156856"][quote comment="156680"]Shogun was not himself. What was up with him going for the leg the whole fight. Where was the Shogun that dominated people in the clinch. He looked tired after the first round and he was looking like a little girl in there. Shogun is my favortie fighter but if keeps on fighting like this, I will stop watching his fights. Wanderlei better not do the same thing. Even though I hate Forrest for beating my favorite fighter he did earn it so let him fight Rampage.[/quote]

..I think Forrest needs one more fight..

Forrest lost to Jardine..then beat Hector..

Jardine beat Forrest..lost to Alexander..now beat Chuck

Wandi will soon debut in December..most likely against Jardine

Machida is undefeated..

I think Jardine vs Wandi

Forrest vs Machida

the winner faces eachother to decide who fights Rampage next..the loser fights Houston.[/quote]

just wanted to thank you and john for making a joke out of my prediction “forrest is going to smack shogun” But i agree with you break down of who gets a title shot next ect ect.
That said, it would be pretty crazy to see forrest vs wandi, and then if he beats wandi he would get the title shot against jackson (talk about the toughest road to the belt ever!) Forrest would have to beat prides 3 toughest LW fighters (shogun, wandi, then jackson wow!)

I think Liddell is done as well for those who have already said it. It’s a new time, a new era.

Damn how about that Forrest?

[quote comment="156863"][quote comment="156858"]Chuck Liddell is a ONE-DIMENSIONAL fighter. The only reason that he went on that amazing victory streak is because all the fighters that he challenged tried to take him to the ground. Chuck’s sprawl is one of the best, and it is dangerous to take him down because they might get a severe punch that will knock them out. When he faces a fighter like Jardine, he has a difficult time because Jardine’s strength is his boxing as well. ALTHOUGH I REALLY WANTED TO SEE LIDDELL FIGHT WANDERLEI AGAIN, you can’t get mad at Jardine for being the better striker(in that fight anyway).[/quote]

again?[/quote]

I meant that when they promoted it the last time, I got really excited. Then the contract obligations got in the way and it never happend. All I meant was that I got excited about that fight again.

Hey PHilQny and John…I was right, forrest DID smack shogun!

Travo,

lets hope they fire mike goldberg, that guy is annoying!

[quote comment="156855"]man some of these posts blow my mind. chuck is just a boxer, but in the same breath people are bringing up alexander in belt talks??? the guy has had 2 fights where he walked up to his opponents and just started swinging. let him get a few more wins and we’ll see. i’m not impressed so far, way too much talent in that division. as much as i hate to admit it i think chuck might be on the way out, no way he loses that fight 3 years ago. i still think he fights wandi first. they are both on losing streaks and the fans have been waiting too long. mark my words page won’t be champ for long, that belt is going to switch hands quite often over the next 2 years.[/quote]

I’ve officially “marked your words”. Now we need to define exactly what time-frame “for long” is.

I feel that the ufc has to make the right call. EITHER IT BE fORREST OR THE DEAN OF MEAN TO FIGHT FOR THE TITLE. IN REALITY WE COULD HAVE ALL THESE NUMBER ONE CONTENDER MATCHES BUT IS RAMPAGE GOING TO WAIT 6 MONTHS FOR A TITLE DEFENSE. i THINK ALEXANDER COULD GET A SHOT BUT HE NEEDS A WIN AGINST A BIG NAME LIKE SILVA. AS FAR AS CHUCK. YES I AM A HUGE CHUCK FAN, YES I THINK TIME HAS CAUGHT HIM. HE IS STILL A GOOD FIGHTER BUT PEOPLE SHOULD LAY OFF THE GUY WAS AGREAT CHAMP AND HE HE DEFENDED AGAINST THE BEST THEY PUT IN FRONT OF HIM AT THE TIME. nOT EVERYONE CAN BE A RANDY COUTURE AND FIGHT TILL THEY ARE 45 AND BE AS ON TOP OF THE GAME… ITS JUST REALITY!!!!!!

Between Chuck and Shogun, half of us MMA purists believe that Chuck is the better fighter, while the other half believe Shogun is better.

Having said that, Forrest is more deserving than Jardine of a title shot versus Rampage because Forrest’s victory over Shogun was far more impressive (not only dominated, but finished him) than Jardine’s over Chuck (split decision with 29-28’s on the scorecards). This is on top of the fact that Forrest asked for Shogun, which most of us saw as a career suicide — he took the risk, he deserves the return and the reward.

This is not to take anything away from Jardine’s victory, but given that Chuck wouldn’t have gotten a title shot even if he had won, why should things be different for Jardine? Give Jardine a fight with Wanderlei that would have gone to Chuck, with the winner next in line for the title.

Finally, I would like to see Cro Cop drop to LHW and fight Chuck. Two former MMA superstars with serious KO power … and two consecutive losses, the first by a 1st-round (T)KO and the second by decision. Unfortunately, I don’t think that’s going to happen, given it would not be a good business decision (but great for the fans).

[quote comment="156856"][quote comment="156680"]Shogun was not himself. What was up with him going for the leg the whole fight. Where was the Shogun that dominated people in the clinch. He looked tired after the first round and he was looking like a little girl in there. Shogun is my favortie fighter but if keeps on fighting like this, I will stop watching his fights. Wanderlei better not do the same thing. Even though I hate Forrest for beating my favorite fighter he did earn it so let him fight Rampage.[/quote]

..I think Forrest needs one more fight..

Forrest lost to Jardine..then beat Hector..

Jardine beat Forrest..lost to Alexander..now beat Chuck

Wandi will soon debut in December..most likely against Jardine

Machida is undefeated..

I think Jardine vs Wandi

Forrest vs Machida

the winner faces eachother to decide who fights Rampage next..the loser fights Houston.[/quote]

Machida currently needs to fight a “named” opponent before officially entering “contention”.

I see your logic in the Forrest & Jardine match-ups but I would have to say that Forrest should fight Wand and Jardine should fight Machida. Winner’s fight each other & the winner of that gets a shot at Rampage.

Houston needs to fight Soko & the winner gets a shot at a top 5′er & if he gets past the top 5′er gets a title shot. I cant believe I just typed that O_o!

[quote comment="156900"]I think Liddell is done as well for those who have already said it. It’s a new time, a new era.

Damn how about that Forrest?[/quote]

Seriously, I always considered Forrest a B-level fighter. I conceded that he would give Shogun a hard time but never gave him a chance to win but after the dust settled, he earned ALOT of respect from me from here on out.

Oh & I told ya’ll Chuck was over-hyped! (see all CL threads shortly after Rampage was announced as being signed to the UFC)

[quote comment="156907"]Hey PHilQny and John…I was right, forrest DID smack shogun![/quote]

..Dude believe it or not..as the fight got closer I felt Forrest could actually pull this off..maybe via decision..cuz this being SHogun’s first fight in the UFC..but never did I imagine that Sho would gas after the first round..and get caught in those positions..and for forrest to finish him..Wow!!
Forrest got my pros..but he needs to fight one more time b4 getting a title shot.

Forrest lost to Jardine..then beat Hector..

Jardine beat Forrest..lost to Alexander..now beat Chuck

Wandi will soon debut in December..most likely against Jardine

Machida is undefeated..

I think Jardine vs Wandi

Forrest vs Machida

the winner faces eachother to decide who fights Rampage next..the loser fights Houston.

Reading this is hilarious. I said all this stuff about Chuck a few months ago, and everyone jumped down my throat. All the fan boys criticized my opinion of Chuck, and someone even said, gasp, I didn’t know what I was talking about. Now you people see, this is Chuck , who he has always been. Jardine exposed him, and I won a lot of money last night because of it. Thanks Keith!!!

HELL YEAH FOR FORREST!!!! I HAD NEVER REALLY SEEN SHOGUN FIGHT EXCEPT FOR LAST NIGHT. i NEVER REALLY WATCHED PRIDE THAT MUCH. i THOUGHT FORREST COULD WIN AND HE DID. pEOPLE CAN SAY HE GOT LUCKY OR HE IS A B CLASS FIGHTER.. THE THING I LOVE ABOUT FORREST IS HE IS NOT THE BEST SKILLED, BUT THE MAN PUTS IT ALL OUT THERE AND THAT ALONE CAN SOMETIMES TAKE YOU THERE. I BELIEVE HE FEARS NOONE. HE IS YOUNG AS SO IS SHOGUN. BELIEVE ME WE WILL SEE THESE TWO GUYS AGAIN IN THERE FIGHTING.

I think it’s like the guy said earlier…

Bring over Fedor and watch Randy kick his ass and Pride is done.

I really believe some of these guys were just juicing up before fights and Pride let you do it. Now that they have to train and be tested for roids they are becoming human.

Randy / Forrest / Rampage

These guys are training their asses off. Eating well / Cardio / Etc.

Shogun ?? Liddell ??

These guys came in looking good, but not great. They came in with average intensity and training and they looked average.

I no longer am wowed by the international competition.

Who agrees with me that Pride Fighters are lazy and don’t train at near the level that UFC fighters are used to training?

And I’ll say it now – Fedor won’t win a single fight in the UFC against anyone in the top 5 heavyweights if he decides to quit whining like a baby about Russia. They need to remove his name immediately from the fantasy top fighter leaderboard. There – I said it!

[quote comment="156767"][quote comment="156710"][quote comment="156382"]Jardine Vs Silva
Houston Vs Machida
Forrest vs Rampage

Forrest beat the so-called #1 at 205 he earned it.[/quote]

Those are perfect match-ups. I agree 100%.[/quote]
Houston beat Jardine and Jardine beat forrest so give credit where it is a due. Houston is clearly the number one contender and has the better chance of beating rampage.[/quote]

You don’t default into title shots like that. You have to directly earn the title shot by beating the top contenders yourself, not indirectly earn the title shot by beating a guy who ends up beating top contenders.

I don’t care, I still want Chuck vs Wandy. If not Wandy, I want chuck vs shogun now. JOe Silva’s job does suck right now but that’s what the ufc gets for these horrible match-ups. I know Jardine beat him but to lose the belt after having it years and then have to fight a guy who just got knocked out by a ufc virgin in his last fight is BS. Also having Shogun fight Forrest was stupid too. In the end it’s still chuck and shogun’s fault for not training hard enough or being punch shy. Maybe Shogun could move down to middleweight. Or learn how to cut it and come in bigger and stronger. This was like when Serra beat GSp.
Chuck vs Wanderlei or Shogun
Forresr vs. Jardine 2
Alexander vs Machida

Bamm, there it is Joe Silva.

fucking hell, Rua loses by submission?! ok a KO would have been harder for me to believe but goddamn, by Forrest Griffin, a guy I wouldnt have ranked in the top 10

[quote comment="156958"]Who agrees with me that Pride Fighters are lazy and don’t train at near the level that UFC fighters are used to training?

And I’ll say it now – Fedor won’t win a single fight in the UFC against anyone in the top 5 heavyweights if he decides to quit whining like a baby about Russia. They need to remove his name immediately from the fantasy top fighter leaderboard. There – I said it! [/quote]

I AGREE lol.
And Fedor could deffo be beat by Randy, he’s got just the style to do it.

Liddell’s lost the ability to strike fear into opponents now so everyone is gonna be loads more confident fighting him and he’s got NO other game plan so he could well be done. I think Wandy will retire him.

I’m not a chuck liddell fan, but I hoped he’d win just so we’d get to see Liddell v Silva.

Is that fight cursed? we’ve been hearing about it for so long and it’s like the best fight we’ll never see.

Were Pride fighters tested for illegal steroids?

[quote post="3410"]Were Pride fighters tested for illegal steroids? [/quote]
No.

A GREAT night of Fights!!!!
Is Lidell done???? If he wants to be a top contender again , I feel that he needs to switch up his fighting style. He has been training with the same camp for ten years now and I feel that he is in need of some changes. The big punches ain’t workin’ for Chuck no more!!!!!
What about Forrest? The fight of the night…..He punished the #1 ranked light heavy weight fighter in the world.
We are seeing a new breed of top contenders….Griffin,Jardine,and Fitch……WOW!!!!!!!!!!!

P.S. Hamill got robbed

All the fighters I picked to win lost, I suck, the only one I knew would be close was fitch and sanchez, it wasn’t diego’s night but if they fought again in a month it might be, I still think these guys are 50/50. Fitch needs to fight his bum chum kos for number one contender after gsp. Crazy night of upsets, the only one to have escaped the pride curse so far seems to be rampage, what happened to shogun?

Pride fighters must have been on the ‘roids. Plus the format suits fighters with a wrestling background. Pride guys were fighters, UFC guys are athletes! Plus all the Pride guys are small for their division.

The mystique surrounding Pride has now been crushed. Fedor will dodge Randy and Arlovski and sign with K-1!!!

chuck needs to start mixing his kicks in with his punches like he did back in the day. I think chuck needs to fight tito again to get that fire back in his eyes. we all know he hates tito they both seem to be on the downsides of their careers so i personally would like to see chuck beat the hell out of him again.

[quote comment="156970"]I don’t care, I still want Chuck vs Wandy. If not Wandy, I want chuck vs shogun now. JOe Silva’s job does suck right now but that’s what the ufc gets for these horrible match-ups. I know Jardine beat him but to lose the belt after having it years and then have to fight a guy who just got knocked out by a ufc virgin in his last fight is BS. Also having Shogun fight Forrest was stupid too. In the end it’s still chuck and shogun’s fault for not training hard enough or being punch shy. Maybe Shogun could move down to middleweight. Or learn how to cut it and come in bigger and stronger. This was like when Serra beat GSp.
Chuck vs Wanderlei or Shogun
Forresr vs. Jardine 2
Alexander vs Machida

Bamm, there it is Joe Silva.[/quote]
This was nothing like when Serra beat GSP that was one punch not a complete domination the whole fight like these two fights were.

Allright, so all in all, that fight between Forrest Griffin and Shogun was mind blowing.
He could have stopped that fight at any time, but he wanted to not win by tap out. He said it was a knockout night. Now, He had that pride fighter by the balls.
AND PRIDE IS FULL OF SOME CRAZY FUCKS.

BUT
THE KEITH JARDINE FIGHT
I DON’T EVEN WANT TO START ON THE JUDGES
OR JOE ROGAN
let alone the fight itself
I’ll just get censored

griffin vs rampage-griffin isnt affraid to strike and dosent like beig on the ground(but is pretty good on the ground).this would be an awesome fight that id pay for.

liddell vs silva-its own mainevent and like someone else said thepayper view could be like ufc 80 LAST STAND.if chuck one hed get back to his old ways and if wandi wins then he can be like #1 contender.

houston vs hendo-#1 contender match for alexander and a HUGE way of redemption for hendo

jardine vs shogun-jardines gay so who cares and i hope shogun would whoop his ass and it would be a good fight.

machida vs winner of tito-rashad2-machida has to prove he really can hang with the big cats and for the winner of tito-rashad2 it would be a second big win in a row

what do you think mr.joe silva

If Sakurai fights Karo, Karo will judo throw him through the mat. If Wandy fights Liddell, Wandy will probably puke in about a minute or two because of no conditioning and complete exhaustion. This is pretty much what it has come to.

We now know the real reason why Fedor isn’t coming to the UFC, the dude knows better. Couture will probably throw him over the cage after he’s done with him. I don’t trust none of these pride dudes no more. Here I was saying to dudes, wait till you see Shogun, he’s awesome. What a waste of time. Who was that Shogun impersonator in the cage yesterday? Absolute worst performance I’ve ever seen from him.

The legacy that was Pride can be summed up with a one simple item…a syringe!

[quote post="3410"]Pride fighters must have been on the “roids. Plus the format suits fighters with a wrestling background. Pride guys were fighters, UFC guys are athletes! Plus all the Pride guys are small for their division.
The mystique surrounding Pride has now been crushed. Fedor will dodge Randy and Arlovski and sign with K-1!!! [/quote]

I agree 100 percent…Fedor has to know he will not be so amazing in the UFC by now, especially considering that Fedor struggled with Mirko Crap Cop/Fat Nog. Maybe Fedor was juicing also, but who knows. Also Fedor is a small heavyweight…only 6 feet tall, and he’s a flabby 233. I think it’s very obvious by now that STEROIDS were a huge factor in making the superstars in PRIDE who they were. By next year PRIDEs old superstars will be a laughing stock at this rate.

WANDERLIE- 5′11 in height, and fighting at 205, which is short for that weight class. He always looked juiced, and that’s a lot of lean muscle mass on a short frame. With no more steroids it could be that Wanerlie will be garbage in the UFC as well. Lets hope he doesn’t dissapoint.

Chuck is sooooooooooooo one dimensional, if he was one to take fighters down jardine wouldn’t have been using leg kicks all night. The best fighters are well rounded, chuck just isn’t, and whats was up with shogun?????? he looked horrible, was he insanely sick or something??? Weird. Jardines style is perfect to fight chuck, and chuck just didn’t know what to do, he has NO versatility whatsoever, can’t lead with different legs,can’t take down and it took a fighter who isn’t even in the top ten to expose him. Man whats with non 10 ten fighters beating top guys. gsp vs serra, liddel vs jardine and shogun and forrest seriously f**ked up.

[quote comment="156292"]Chuck won that fight no questions asked. Come on people, admit it.[/quote]

I was wanting chuck to win but what fight was you watching? Chuck won the first round and then lost the the next two.

I really feel that Forrest just over powered Shogun. He looked alot bigger and in better shape.Shogun looked good in the first round but was still getting manhandled by forrest. I think that wore him down and caused him to gas. Ive always been a big Forrest fan and was dreading the fight with shogun But DAMN im a happy man now.FORREST WOULD MAKE A GREAT CHAMP hes humble and willing to fight anyone. While most fighters were running from shogun all forrest said is that he would like to punch him. I do agree that forrest should have another big fight before a title shot but then he deserves it.

[quote comment="157009"]A GREAT night of Fights!!!!
Is Lidell done???? If he wants to be a top contender again , I feel that he needs to switch up his fighting style. He has been training with the same camp for ten years now and I feel that he is in need of some changes. The big punches ain’t workin’ for Chuck no more!!!!!
What about Forrest? The fight of the night…..He punished the #1 ranked light heavy weight fighter in the world.
We are seeing a new breed of top contenders….Griffin,Jardine,and Fitch……WOW!!!!!!!!!!!

P.S. Hamill got robbed[/quote]

I’m wondering if Lidell is done too. He didn’t look very good period but after the first round I don’t really think he fought his fight. He is usually a counter puncher and it seemed after the first round he was swinging first and every time he threw first and missed he got nailed with a right or one of them big kicks. And why didn’t he start kicking Jardine back. How hard is it to throw a kick to someone’s thigh!? I know Chuck can kick. Remember the first Sobral fight. Chuck needs to work his cardio and get some new blood to train with.

[quote comment="156969"][quote comment="156767"][quote comment="156710"][quote comment="156382"]Jardine Vs Silva
Houston Vs Machida
Forrest vs Rampage

Forrest beat the so-called #1 at 205 he earned it.[/quote]

Those are perfect match-ups. I agree 100%.[/quote]
Houston beat Jardine and Jardine beat forrest so give credit where it is a due. Houston is clearly the number one contender and has the better chance of beating rampage.[/quote]

You don’t default into title shots like that. You have to directly earn the title shot by beating the top contenders yourself, not indirectly earn the title shot by beating a guy who ends up beating top contenders.[/quote]

I can’t argue with the match-ups. Forest did beat Shogun so he deserves a shot at the title. I think Houston against Silva would be a great fight but I don’t see the UFC doing that just yet. I think Houston will knock Machida out if that takes place and I think the Jardine vs. Silva fight could be interesting.

Hello my UFCmania bloggers and friends. Listen to all, I just saw the post fight press conference and let me tell you, Keith Jardine is a gentleman, he showed much respect to Chuck Liddell and he has earned my respect, he was very humble with what he had to say. Having said that, we all saw the fight and the man can fight! Yes he was KTFO by Houston but hey we all make mistakes and his was to understimate his opponent that night, so he paid for it. Regardless he defeated The Iceman hands down. He will undoubtly now face, Wanderlei Silva, he earned it plain and simple. It is only just and fair that he is given that fight, and make NO MISTAKE about it, it will be a Phenomenal fight! Think about it! Later

[quote post="3410"]Fitch is the most complete fighter in that division. He can wrestle, strike, submit, and has incredible defense.[/quote]

GSP is by far the most complete, where is the whole in his game. look at these
wrestling vs KOS(4 time all american)
wrestling vs Trigg
muay thai vs Hughes
jiu-jitsu vs Heiron
Not to say this is all he used in these fights but these are good examples of him excelling in the category. Only downfall may be a weak chin(matt serra) but he proves that not true against Penn

Everyone who i thought would win, lost. I was live at the event and my buddy and I were betting all night. The person who bet, lost each time. I dont care about diego losing, chuck losing, thaigo losing, but shogun… Damn it.

Wandi has some pressure on him.

I don’t think it’s a good idea for Fedor to come along now. I want at least one pride fighter without a tainted name.

What happened Pride???

Rampage is clearly the best 205 pounder in the world by far. Now that Shogun and Wandy were probably using steroids- and Liddell and Hendo are both beat by Rampage. Rampage is the greatest and he will destroy Jardine, Forrest , Houston with ease.

Jardine/Rampage. Rampage will easily out box jardine and beat him down on the ground. Do you honestly think Jardine can overpower Rampage for 3 five minute rounds?

Forrest/Rampage: you konw forrest will not gas Rampage like he did Shogun. Rampage will destroy Forrest boxing and detroy forrest on the ground with elbows to the ribcage if he doesn’t get ground and pounded first. I don’t think Forrest could make it past round two against Rampage.

sorry i meant to say 5 five minute rounds

i don’t know jardine just fought 3 rounds i doubt he will be ready in 3 months to fight silva, neither i ice man. but houston alexander with only 1 min fight should be ready to fight someone in dec. that guy scares me, he down right brutal, i think he could take it to either lidell or silva. he needs to fight with the big boys now give him a big name guy. who knows lambert needs a fight soon if not in nov has to be dec. he isn’t the one who didn’t fight cautiously before a fight and bust his nose up. it was a great fight i think fight of the night being lidell vs jardine. that or the tyson griffin fight. even though shogun is one of my favorite fighters i wasn’t shocked that forrest won,

[quote comment="157105"]Everyone who i thought would win, lost. I was live at the event and my buddy and I were betting all night. The person who bet, lost each time. I dont care about diego losing, chuck losing, thaigo losing, but shogun… Damn it.

Wandi has some pressure on him.

I don’t think it’s a good idea for Fedor to come along now. I want at least one pride fighter without a tainted name.

What happened Pride???[/quote]

I knew fitch would win but Im with you on the rest of the fights. Shogun should be ashamed of his performance. He looked horrible. Fedor is one of my fav’s but more and more I dont think he would do good in the ufc at all. Forrest looked good but neither him or Jardine are worthy a title shot (yet) in my opinion. Forrest should fight Hendo and Jardine should fight Silva and the winners should fight for a title shot. Hell, in the meantime give Machida a shot a Rampage so he can suffer his first loss and that would give Rampage a little warm up. He is undefeated, maybe not in the same league as Rampage or even Tito for that matter, but did Serra deserve a shot a GSP? He didn’t face any real contenders before hand to get to that spot. If it wasn’t for the UF show we wouldn’t even be mentioning his name. They didn’t give any other UF fighters a title shot for winning the show.

[quote comment="156766"]Do you guys really think Machida’s stand up is strong enough for Alexander. I think Alexander’s aggression will completely overwhelm Machida. Machida won’t make 3 rounds with Alexander, because he lacks finishing power.
Unless he catches Alexander the way he caught Franklin with a shin kick to the face, and even then I ? whether it would be enough.[/quote]

no, because Alexander keeps his hands up…. I LOVE watching that guy fight! so far, hes an animal. He will make a good replacement since I am a BIG Chuck fan and it seems his age has finally caught up to him.

remember WAND fought in ufc before and he did great before getting careless with the phenom..
i still believe WAND will tear down any LHW in UFC including rampage.

[quote comment="156956"]I think it’s like the guy said earlier…

Bring over Fedor and watch Randy kick his ass and Pride is done.

I really believe some of these guys were just juicing up before fights and Pride let you do it. Now that they have to train and be tested for roids they are becoming human.
[/quote]

I hate to speculate about Pride fighters on Roids, but I don’t doubt that several of them were juicing simply because they didn’t test in Japan(terrible policy). Any fighter who was on roids for a long time and has to come off is not going to be the same. Roid abuse will cause a hormone deficiency when you come off of them. It will cause all kinds of health problems, hopefully this is not the case with Shogun.

When it comes to Fedor, I wonder if that is one of the reasons why he is not signing. Dana has already said that his management has been unreasonable with their demands, I wonder if roids came up in the conversation. Boy I would have loved to be a fly on the wall.

[quote comment="157090"][quote post="3410"]Fitch is the most complete fighter in that division. He can wrestle, strike, submit, and has incredible defense.[/quote]

GSP is by far the most complete, where is the whole in his game. look at these
wrestling vs KOS(4 time all american)
wrestling vs Trigg
muay thai vs Hughes
jiu-jitsu vs Heiron
Not to say this is all he used in these fights but these are good examples of him excelling in the category. Only downfall may be a weak chin(matt serra) but he proves that not true against Penn[/quote]
Weak Chin? He got hit in the back of the head bra.

[quote post="3410"]SHOGUN was gased for some reason! I don’t know why! What the hell going on with Pride fighters? Rampage is the only excpetion so far. will see how Henderson does and Wand. But damn this is nuts! I want to see Fedor in the cage and see what happens with him! If he loses the cage is a cursed or just different from the ring which it is true but I don’t know? I want answers!!!! [/quote]
How about, Pride fighters were way overrated compared to UFC fighters. Showgun gassed because Forest is a cardio machine. Fedor will lose if he fights Randy or Vera. The thing is ,I doubt Fedor will come to the UFC, because the more he sees his past competition get owned the more he’ll realize he’ll tarnish his record if he steps into the cage.

[quote post="3410"]Did anyone else notice GSP’s eyes after Fitch’s dominant win? I think St. Pierre now realizes all too clearly that their paths are on a collision course, and didn’t seem too happy about it. Man, that Fitch can fucking fight. I didn’t realize how big he was until I saw him in the octagon with Diego. He is a huge WW.[/quote]
I noticed Gsp’s face after Fitch won and he looked pretty happy ,like I can beat this guy , not like he was worried at all. Fitch is good ,but I’d put my money on GSP if they fought. Now Rampage on the other hand, did have a look of concern on his face after Forrest owned the guy who owned him.

Quote selected text[quote post="3410"]Weak Chin? He got hit in the back of the head bra[/quote]

[quote post="3410"]Only downfall may be a weak chin(matt serra) BUT HE PROVES THAT NOT TRUE AGAINST PENN[/quote]

[quote post="3410"]Like I said, anything can happen and anyone can lose at anytime. I wouldn’t have picked jardine of griffin to win but I wouldn’t put money on any fights in the light heavy weight division. Its unpredictable anymore, even Randy picked chuck to win and he is never wrong. The only for sure thing is every fight is up for grabs. The only fighter I would bet on right now is Anderson Silva and thats because he looked impressive in every aspect of the game(standing, submissions, the clinch,) what can’t he do? Look for Rich Franklin to be destroyed again! As for who deserves a shot at Rampage I can’t call it. If Wand wins in december give him a shot. Forrest may have beat Rua but I think he needs another big win and so does Jardine. I agree with Wand and Alexander lockin em up in December and the winner gets Rampage. I think that will be a hell of a fight.
Griffin and Jardine need more big wins? Who else do both guys need to beat? Does it get bigger than beating Liddell and Rua to get a title shot? [/quote]
Good call.

[quote post="3410"]Here is my analysis:
Shogun looked really bad! He must have been on steroids before, because he looked really out of shape. Shogun is not a cage fighter- he is a ring fighter. You have to be really strong in the cage because you are pushing/ or being pushed towards the cage which takes power and energy. The ring takes more finesse and the Pride rules are set up for a more freestyle fighter.
If the UFC guys all had to come over to Pride and fight in the ring with Pride rules you would have the same effect. Could you imagine Randy not being able to push an opponent up against a cage- he would of lost to Gonzaga. There are few guys who are Cage and ring fighters Rampage, A Silva, and Hendo are both. Forrest Griffin in the ring he would get out finessed any day of the year. The cage takes grit and raw strength like Rampage and Couture have. The ring takes finesse like Shogun and CC have. Shogun will do well if he is smart and adapts he has age on his side, so he can still turn things around. Oh yeah and Chuck Liddell I always knew he was overrated.
Peace
Wow! I couldn’t have said it better you are 100 percent right [/quote]
So the Pride fighters have all the finess and the UFC fighters win only by grit and raw strength. I call Bullshit. Most Pride fights were brawls not the chess matches found in the UFC. Showgun and Wandy are brawlers (at least choose to be) and without the Steroids they won’t do well in the UFC.

[quote post="3410"]Chuck is sooooooooooooo one dimensional, if he was one to take fighters down jardine wouldn’t have been using leg kicks all night. The best fighters are well rounded, chuck just isn’t, and whats was up with shogun?????? he looked horrible, was he insanely sick or something??? Weird. Jardines style is perfect to fight chuck, and chuck just didn’t know what to do, he has NO versatility whatsoever, can’t lead with different legs,can’t take down and it took a fighter who isn’t even in the top ten to expose him. Man whats with non 10 ten fighters beating top guys. gsp vs serra, liddel vs jardine and shogun and forrest seriously f**ked up. [/quote]
Jardine and Forrest are top ten and even Sera is top ten. Mind you Sera is going to get his ass handed to him next fight with GSP.

[quote post="3410"]Everyone who i thought would win, lost. I was live at the event and my buddy and I were betting all night. The person who bet, lost each time. I dont care about diego losing, chuck losing, thaigo losing, but shogun… Damn it.
Wandi has some pressure on him.
I don’t think it’s a good idea for Fedor to come along now. I want at least one pride fighter without a tainted name.
What happened Pride??? [/quote]
What happened to Pride was ,to many fans believed they were better than they are. They are still just as good as they ever were, minus the steroids. What changed was, now they are fighting the UNDERRATED UFC fighters and the MYTH of Pride is better than the UFC is exposed. Also they are fighting in the cage which should be an advantage to the UFC fighter. Fedor is not a dummy, he won’t sign with UFC.

[quote comment="156502"]diego won that fight do u guys not understand that? ya fitch is a better wrestler. and ya he was ontop of diego for big parts. but diego was trying submission after submission. he almost finished fitch plenty of times. fitch NEVER had diego even close to being in trouble. give me a ab reak. diego won that fight. rounds 1 and 3 were diegos. fuck*n bullsit[/quote]

I dont feel that submission ‘attempts’ are that important unless they lead to an actuall ’submission’ that ends things. just because a guy is attempting a triangle choke or an anacoda choke and so on, who cares if he can’t pull it off an the other guys escapes to pound him with kicks, strikes, or elbows?

[quote comment="156810"][quote comment="156799"]It’s obvious that shogun used steriods in Pride. He can’t soccer kick anyone now and his brother got destroyed too. Love it.[/quote]

I’m going to take this a step further.

IN PRIDE, THESE FIGHTERS HAVE ALL USED STEROIDS TO GET THEIR INTENSITY AND AGGRESSION! Then when coupled with soccer kicks and stomps to the head while down, that anger only gets more escalated.

If you wanna jump all over me and say, no it’s the UFC guys who are better, and Forrest (and the other fighters) just dominated because he has more skills etc. go ahead. It’s time someone says it like it is.

Explain this:
1. Cro Cop dominates the OWGP just one year ago this month (not five or six years back but just last year). He beats Wanderlei and Barnett in one night!! He comes here and pretty much falls asleep in the Octagon.

2. Nogueira comes here and looks out of it, lazy, just plain bad. Thankfully he fought Herring (also a Pride user) who is more out of it than he is.

2. Gomi was the best lightweight in the world. After 10 minute rounds would jump on the top rope and run around like it’s nothing. Came to the states, and started to gas in 2 minutes.

3. Shogun is the most devastating LHW in the game today (when on Steroids that is). He comes here and loses to a reality tv star. In the process, Shogun is so exhausted that he can barely fight. People, it wasn’t a war, Griffin didn’t nullify his game or dominate him. Without steriods, he didn’t have the aggression or that intensity.

4. Wandy came to the states and fought Henderson. Wandy was the worst I ever saw him in that fight. Moved around slowly and then got knocked out. No aggression whatsoever compared to his roided personality in Pride. Why? cause Nevada tests and he couldn’t juice.

Of course there are guys like Anderson Silva and Rampage. But hey, doesn’t every concept have an outlier?

These Pride guys have not taken the UFC guys lightly. They have trained their asses off but without roids they can’t be what they were in Pride.

Sadly, this whole Pride coming to the UFC thing, has become one big joke and last night was the exclamation mark.[/quote]

brother..thats some good sh*t right there..

Chuck will not reign again because his ego has misled him and now his confidence is paying. Lets establish a few things,
1-Chuck hits harder than nearly everybody or close to it
2-chuck has a great chin, but that is being ruined now by his retarded defence
3-Chuck is has perhaps the alltime greatest sprawl
The overwhelming weaknesses
1- Chuck is so one dimensional and had sooo many easy openings to flat line Jardine, and he just let Jardine leg kick over and over, it makes you wonder: Has all the drugs and partying clouded Chucks already suspect IQ?
2- Didn’ Chuck do well with wrestling at CalPoli? Where the hell is his wrestling, I mean anything!?
3- John Hackleman & old ways…he can’t comeback with his comfortable camp, Chuck needs to hookup and let Randy revive his career

I havent seen one boring Tyson Griffin fight. Seems like every time the guy fights there is a Bonnar/Griffin caliber war. This guy is quickly becoming my favorite fighter. Though I do love to see fights finished, Id personally like to see these high energy wars. Tyson has been tested by some of the best guys in the lightweight already,I say put him in for at least a fight for the number one contender spot.

how about
WAND fights Rampage in december?
undercard would be bisping vs alexander.

No comments from Stunnalotor ? LOL

Thiago Tavaers who ? A victory is a victory and Tyson Griffen’s future is looking a lil brighter with each passing fight !

Forrest Griffen beat the best fighter at 205 pounds. This guy is one win away from a title shot, slice it anyway you want. Rampage will defend his title this spring, against possibly Wanderlei Silva (if he beats Chuck). Forrest will have one fight and frankly it is all he needs to do to prove he is title fight ready.

The UFC invested a ton of money in him, and took a huge chance with creating a reality show highlighting the lives of fighters. It is time for the dividends to start paying off, with a REAL champion coming from that show (Matt Serra need not apply). Look for a June or July fight between Quinton and Forrest.

WAND fights Rampage in december?

i said yes bring it on!!!!
it will interesting to see if the axe murderer can get 3-0 againts rampage..

man , i said to my buddy on friday that jardine would win , i knew it ! he is a solid and obviously totally underated fighter . i like chuck , but i fucking really like jardine

and tyson griffin and guida best fight of the year easily !

[quote comment="156278"]SHOGUN was gased for some reason! I don’t know why! What the hell going on with Pride fighters? Rampage is the only excpetion so far. will see how Henderson does and Wand. But damn this is nuts! I want to see Fedor in the cage and see what happens with him! If he loses the cage is a cursed or just different from the ring which it is true but I don’t know? I want answers!!!![/quote]

did they do any steroid testing in pride?… ive never read anything that says if they did or didnt but this weekend a friend of mind brought that to my attention. maybe that explains the difference…

[quote comment="156715"][quote comment="156502"]diego won that fight do u guys not understand that? ya fitch is a better wrestler. and ya he was ontop of diego for big parts. but diego was trying submission after submission. he almost finished fitch plenty of times. fitch NEVER had diego even close to being in trouble. give me a ab reak. diego won that fight. rounds 1 and 3 were diegos. fuck*n bullsit[/quote]

So If attempting a submission is better than pounding your opponent then that would change the way people fight? I could fight in the UFC, attempt tons of submissions while getting pounded.

Fitch landed a ton of punches from dominant positions. Was never in trouble from any of the submission attempts. A submission ‘attempt’ in my opinion is worthless unless it leads to a submission.

[quote comment="156535"]

You forgot about Anderson Silva, he was a Pride guy….[/quote]

I pointed this out before, that while Anderson Silva did fight in Pride, he fought in Cage the Rage for about 16 months before coming to the UFC. So he knew more what to expect in the cage then other fighters who came directly from pride (by came directly from pride I mean guys whos last figth was in pride and next fight was in the UFC.)

Rampage is the only one to fight his last fight in pride, come to the UFC and win, and didn’t even do it well over Eastman.

All I have to say is way to go Forrest. I picked all of them correctly except I picked Chuck over Keith.[/quote]

Mirko won his first fight in the UFC coming over from Pride with no transition fights

Personally I’d like to see Forrest vs. Wand, Jardine vs. Rampage, and if you want to see what Huston is made out of and if Chuck has any left, put Huston in against Chuck.

I’m really amazed at all the fair weather fans that have turned on Chuck. I mean the man defended that belt against all comers and was an excellent champion.

Plus I’m not willing to just discount the Pride Fighters by saying it was all Steroid use in Pride that made them good fighters. I don’t think its all that simple. I think there are tons of factors, from the cage, rule changes, nerves, maybe even a little underestimation of the UFC fighters by the Pride Fighters. Shogun in a perfect example. I’m willing to bet that behind closed doors he figured on walking over Forrest, a tune up match before he gets to face a big name. Well because he took Forrest lightly its safe to say that Forrest is now, with out a doubt a big name.

I haven’t read all these posts but I just got to say, Forrest did it! I’m so happy! Great fight. We was on his way to winning a decision but to actually stop Shogun was incredible!

Also, am I the only one that think that Jardine got screwed? He definately won the 2nd and 3rd round with the 1st being close. He should have won via unanimous decision. For him to win by split is ridiculous.

Shogun should drop to 185. He’s going to be pushed around like a prison b*tch at 205.

[quote comment="157294"]I havent seen one boring Tyson Griffin fight. Seems like every time the guy fights there is a Bonnar/Griffin caliber war. This guy is quickly becoming my favorite fighter. Though I do love to see fights finished, Id personally like to see these high energy wars. Tyson has been tested by some of the best guys in the lightweight already,I say put him in for at least a fight for the number one contender spot.[/quote]
Tyson is a really exciting fighter. I think he should fight Huerta. Huerta is a pretty big name in the LW division and he needs to be tested. Griffin would be the ultimate test. It would be a great fight.

[quote comment="156863"][quote comment="156858"]Chuck Liddell is a ONE-DIMENSIONAL fighter. The only reason that he went on that amazing victory streak is because all the fighters that he challenged tried to take him to the ground. Chuck’s sprawl is one of the best, and it is dangerous to take him down because they might get a severe punch that will knock them out. When he faces a fighter like Jardine, he has a difficult time because Jardine’s strength is his boxing as well. ALTHOUGH I REALLY WANTED TO SEE LIDDELL FIGHT WANDERLEI AGAIN, you can’t get mad at Jardine for being the better striker(in that fight anyway).[/quote]

again?[/quote]

Exactly what I was thinking, AGAIN? Where was I the first time they fought? I been watching MMA since the first UFC when Gracie beat the Savate Kick Boxer.

Speaking of The Savate kick boxer had for ever ingrained in my mind, the brutal slaying of the Sumo Wrestler. Anyone remember this? Sumo went all guns away charging like Lawrence Taylor after a $20 piece. The Savate Kickboxer stepped aside caught him with a cross(I believe) then kicked him in the mouth so hard his tooth went flying one way, Blood splattered the opposite way, and Sumo hit the canvas. I think that was the opening fight or one of the opening fights. I was instantly sold, a FAN for life.

Didn’t Shogun get married like 2 weeks before the fight?
All that fuckin’ must have made his legs weak…he played himself.

[quote comment="157022"]Pride fighters must have been on the ‘roids. Plus the format suits fighters with a wrestling background. Pride guys were fighters, UFC guys are athletes! Plus all the Pride guys are small for their division.

The mystique surrounding Pride has now been crushed. Fedor will dodge Randy and Arlovski and sign with K-1!!![/quote]

One difference is that in PRIDE, very few fighters cut weight unlike the UFC where everyone cuts so that they can have a size & strength advantage. Sherk is a prime example. Most (not all) PRIDE guys fought at the weight class that was closest to their natural weight. Example: Cro Cop & Liddell walk around at roughly the same weight which is a little over 220 lbs. Cro Cop fights at his normal weight which is HW while Liddell cuts to 205lbs. Tito, Forrest, etc, all fighters who are natural HW’s.

There are obviously some very BIG differences between PRIDE & the UFC. Some are differences in training and Roids may play a role as well but the majority of the differences lay between the Ring vs Octagon (size & tactics). There are some really good posts in this thread about that.

For those who are still argueing which promotion is better, PRIDE or UFC, please add Anderson Silva & Rampage to your lists of PRIDE guys who made a successful transition to at least make the dispute accurate.

[quote comment="157327"]Personally I’d like to see Forrest vs. Wand, Jardine vs. Rampage, and if you want to see what Huston is made out of and if Chuck has any left, put Huston in against Chuck.

I’m really amazed at all the fair weather fans that have turned on Chuck. I mean the man defended that belt against all comers and was an excellent champion.

Plus I’m not willing to just discount the Pride Fighters by saying it was all Steroid use in Pride that made them good fighters.

I don’t think its all that simple. I think there are tons of factors, from the cage, rule changes, nerves, maybe even a little underestimation of the UFC fighters by the Pride Fighters. Shogun in a perfect example. I’m willing to bet that behind closed doors he figured on walking over Forrest, a tune up match before he gets to face a big name. Well because he took Forrest lightly its safe to say that Forrest is now, with out a doubt a big name.[/quote]

I also think a lot of the Chuck fans jumped ship. Before the second Rampage fight, This site was basicaly Chuckmania.com. Not from the the people running this site, but the people who post. Chuck was king nearly six months ago, now Chuck is done, one dimensional, sucks, I never liked Chuck….Blah blah blah. I still like Chuck, not my favorite but I do like him a lot. I anticipated him losing to Rampage, but hoped he would win. I think Rampage is a great young face for MMA and the UFC. I think he brings a lot of fun and free spirit to MMA. He makes for crazy interviews, says what he feels, and has a real respect for the fight game. I think he is going to OWN this title for a while because realistcly speaking I do not think any of the top competitors other then Houston or Silva have the real one hit power that is going to be needed to knock him out. I do not think of the top guys none can beat his brand of wrestling, considering he beat Hendo and Linland(regardless of how close you thought it was). Not one of the other competitors bring the neccessary ground game needed to beat him from the floor up or the Feet down. Hopefully Rhua was a fluke and just underestimated Forrest, but if that was the game that Chute Boxe is bringing ,blah. I personally think the only real challenges for Rampage(that being Silva brings it or Rhua comes back the real Rhua) maybe Randy or Vera possibly dropping to 205. I still ? Verra though. I would like to see how he does against SasqUATCH first. Anyway now I am rambling…

I WAS WRONG!!!!

I was one that did not give Forrest a chance, will I gave him a slim chance (anything could happen chance). I he proved me wrong!

HMM HMM HMM!!! My humble pie is delicious!!

I have never been so happy!! I loved it! I thought RUA would walk through him. I am so happy Forrest shocked the world with a submission Rear Naked Choke! Awesome.

That Tyson fight was spectacular!! And OH poor Diego, You took a beating!! Move down to lightweight that would be good for that division!!

This was probably the most entertaining fight card I have seen! Machida needs to step his opposition!!

Great, 150 comments to read after my meeting!

But, I got some things to get off of my chest.

Thiago Tavarez/Tyson Griffin:
It was a good fight, but I was expecting GREATNESS from this match. I was rooting for Thiago, but he just couldn’t pull it off. Griffin was a little too strong for him. But what I want to know is this, why can’t Tyson Griffin end a fight? That is going to catch up with him pretty quickly. As a matter of fact, it should have already because I firmly believe that Clay Guida won the fight against Griffin.

Machida/Nakamura:
Like I say everytime Machida is on a UFC card – Who cares, Not me. He is not exciting and he can not finish a fight. I’d rather watch an IFL fight than watch Machida. Maybe he needs to switch up his style, and not be a ‘karate’ fighter.

Fitch/Diego:
Just like Mania said, I TOLD YOU SO. There was no way in hell that Fitch was going to lose this fight – NONE. Fitch will not tap out, so Diego was not going to submit him. Diego has no standup game even after all this Rob Garcia training. The loss to KOS and now Diego were not the worst fights for him. The worst fight he ever had was against Joe Riggs. He knocked out Riggs with a punch. That gave Diego confidence in his non existant stand up game. If you can’t win a standup battle with KOS, who you gunna beat standing (yes, he has staff, but he still lost – if he wasn’t in fighting condition, he shouldn’t have stepped into the octagon.) But back to our man Fitch. The WW division needs to LOOK OUT! I am just really pissed that Hughes/Serra goes down in December, and then GSP is next in line. So that means that at earliest, Fitch can get a title shot next July? That’s nearly a year away. Right now, I think Fitch is 1 win away from being #1 contender. If KOS’s win earned him a #1 contender match, than Fitch’s dominating win should do the same for him. But the question is, when and who should he fight to become #1 contender? The only name that comes to my mind in Karo. But that would mean that Karo would have to have 2 fights, and win at least one in dominating fashion – not the typical Parysian Decision Special. Karo/Fitch would be an exciting fight that Fitch would win. I think that Fitch would own Matt Hughes OR Serra if they fought. And I think that Fitch is the best fighter out there to give GSP a real fight.

Forrest/Shogun
HOLY FORREST GRIFFIN! He submitted Shogun! I had picked Forrest to win by Unanimous Decsion, not submission. That was great. But honestly, what is up with these Chute Box guys? I REALLY DO believe Rampage and Juanito that the Chute Box guys were juicing. I mean, Ninja looked really bad against Lawler, and now Shogun looked EVEN WORSE! He sucked on Saturday. I can’t think of a fighter in the UFC LHW Top 10 that wouldn’t have beaten Shogun that night. Very, very, very, dissapointing. He was not the least bit aggressive. Why wasn’t he moving forward? Why wasn’t he throwing combinations of his looping punches? Why didn’t he loof for the clinch? Why didn’t he throw any jumping knees? Why didn’t he throw many kicks? That was NOT the Shogun that I know.

So if Shogun won, he was supposed to get a title shot. Well, Forrest won, and going into the fight, I thought that if he won, he should be #1 contender. HOWEVER, after seeing how Shogun performed, I don’t know if the prior statement should still hold. I WANT Forrest to be #1 contender, I mean who else is there right now, without another fitght, can be declared #1 contender, no one.

Congratulations Forrest – You are a true warrior with bigger balls than anyone in the UFC!

Liddell/Jardine:
Jardine got Robbed! How was that a split decision? When they were announcing the 3rd judges scores, I had a death grip on my remote ready to chuck it through the television of they gave Liddell the decision. If Liddell got that decision, I would have never ordered a PPV again. Well, maybe not to that extent, but still.

I was rooting for Chuck, because I want to see Chuck/Wandi. I don’t know why they were even saying that if Chuck wins against jardine, he get Wandi in December. Screw that. Wandi wants to fight Chuck more than anyone else alive, and the same goes for Chuck wanting to fight Wandi. I mean, who else would it make sense for Chuck to fight, Hector Ramirez. I don’t want to see that match, and I know no one else does. Actually, besides Wandi, I only see one other opponent that would make sense to fight Chuck – Houston Alexander. Yup, I said it, Liddell/Alexander.

Chuck has to be the only fighter that was fighting MMA since 1988 and is still just as one dimensional as he was when he started. (1988 was a little sarcastic). I don’t see Chuck ever getting back to the top of the division, and after seeing Shogun’s UFC performance, I think Rampage will be champ for a LONG time, much longer than Chuck was.

Also, Chuck should NEVER be in the main event again, unless hell freezes over and he becomes champ again.

[quote comment="157395"]Didn’t Shogun get married like 2 weeks before the fight?
All that fuckin’ must have made his legs weak…he played himself.[/quote]
ROFL…there is an element of truth in that statement

But seriously, The RUA brothers need to work on conditioning, its exactly around the same time(mid 2nd round) they both gassed in their last fights..Steriods is a bitch.

Jardine beat Forrest
Houston beat Jardine
Forrest beat Rua
Rua beat Rampage (via steriods)
Rampage beat Lidell
Jardine beat Lidell
Silva beat Rampage (via steriods)
Hendo beat Silva
Rampage beat Hendo

What do you make of this?

Machida vs Houston (see where they belong)
Forrest vs Hendo/Rampage/Silva
Jardine vs Rua/Hendo/Silva
Lidell retire!

I think Houston Alexander is on Steroids

[/quote]Rampage is the only one to fight his last fight in pride, come to the UFC and win, and didn’t even do it well over Eastman.

All I have to say is way to go Forrest. I picked all of them correctly except I picked Chuck over Keith.[/quote]

if im not mistaking Rampage had a fight or two in WEC before it was bought by zuffa then came over to UFC. So if im not completely wrong ‘page didnt come directly from Pride. The ones that seem to be having trouble are the guys that come over to UFC via the UFC/PRIDE merger. I just hope than when or if Emelianenko comes over that he wont disapppoint.

on another note this is the only ppv i havent picked the fights correctly the only one i got was Fitch by decision.

my question is would Kos be able to beat a Diego at 100%. I ask this because we all know that on the Kos vs Diego fight, Sanchez had staph and that took a toll on him and even with that Kos couldnt put him away.

[quote comment="157248"][quote comment="156810"][quote comment="156799"]It’s obvious that shogun used steriods in Pride. He can’t soccer kick anyone now and his brother got destroyed too. Love it.[/quote]

I’m going to take this a step further.

IN PRIDE, THESE FIGHTERS HAVE ALL USED STEROIDS TO GET THEIR INTENSITY AND AGGRESSION! Then when coupled with soccer kicks and stomps to the head while down, that anger only gets more escalated.

If you wanna jump all over me and say, no it’s the UFC guys who are better, and Forrest (and the other fighters) just dominated because he has more skills etc. go ahead. It’s time someone says it like it is.

Explain this:
1. Cro Cop dominates the OWGP just one year ago this month (not five or six years back but just last year). He beats Wanderlei and Barnett in one night!! He comes here and pretty much falls asleep in the Octagon.

2. Nogueira comes here and looks out of it, lazy, just plain bad. Thankfully he fought Herring (also a Pride user) who is more out of it than he is.

2. Gomi was the best lightweight in the world. After 10 minute rounds would jump on the top rope and run around like it’s nothing. Came to the states, and started to gas in 2 minutes.

3. Shogun is the most devastating LHW in the game today (when on Steroids that is). He comes here and loses to a reality tv star. In the process, Shogun is so exhausted that he can barely fight. People, it wasn’t a war, Griffin didn’t nullify his game or dominate him. Without steriods, he didn’t have the aggression or that intensity.

4. Wandy came to the states and fought Henderson. Wandy was the worst I ever saw him in that fight. Moved around slowly and then got knocked out. No aggression whatsoever compared to his roided personality in Pride. Why? cause Nevada tests and he couldn’t juice.

Of course there are guys like Anderson Silva and Rampage. But hey, doesn’t every concept have an outlier?

These Pride guys have not taken the UFC guys lightly. They have trained their asses off but without roids they can’t be what they were in Pride.

Sadly, this whole Pride coming to the UFC thing, has become one big joke and last night was the exclamation mark.[/quote]

brother..thats some good sh*t right there..[/quote]

You are absolutely with out a shadow of a doubt, 100% RIGHT! and you all know it.

Great night of fights. I would have liked to see more KOs or submissions because UFC judges are getting dangerously close to acting like boxing judges. I have no idea how one of the judges gave Diego a round….forget the win. That was a unamimous decision, hands down. And as much as everyone was expecting Chuck to win, he lost pretty convincingly. How did one of the judges give him the fight? I really hope the UFC takes action to keep MMA on the straight and narrow. Don’t let it turn into boxing….which is where many of the MMA fans are coming from because they’re tired of corruption. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying any of these judges were paid off, but after watching Hamil/Bisbing, then these 2 fights….I’m getting worried.

[quote comment="157378"][quote comment="157294"]I havent seen one boring Tyson Griffin fight. Seems like every time the guy fights there is a Bonnar/Griffin caliber war. This guy is quickly becoming my favorite fighter. Though I do love to see fights finished, Id personally like to see these high energy wars. Tyson has been tested by some of the best guys in the lightweight already,I say put him in for at least a fight for the number one contender spot.[/quote]
Tyson is a really exciting fighter. I think he should fight Huerta. Huerta is a pretty big name in the LW division and he needs to be tested. Griffin would be the ultimate test. It would be a great fight.[/quote]

that would be a good fight. I like watching Huerta fight, he’s pretty intelligent in the ring.

I am a good sport and even though i think it was a close fight and could have gone either way i do admit being wrong and in defeat. As agreed upon i do apologize to Kevin Kelly for doubting his pick for the thiago fight as much as i hate to. lol. Either way it was a damn good fight. I still see Thiago rising to the top before griffin does though.

[quote post="3410"]Rampage is the only one to fight his last fight in pride, come to the UFC and win, and didn’t even do it well over Eastman.[/quote]

[quote post="3410"]if im not mistaking Rampage had a fight or two in WEC before it was bought by zuffa then came over to UFC. So if im not completely wrong “page didnt come directly from Pride. The ones that seem to be having trouble are the guys that come over to UFC via the UFC/PRIDE merger. I just hope than when or if Emelianenko comes over that he wont disapppoint.[/quote]

Actually, you are both mistaken. There was 1 year between Rampage’s last fight in PRIDE and his first in UFC. During that year, he had one fight in the WFA, World Fighting Alliance. He fought against Dan Henderson’s teammate, Matt Lindland.

[quote post="3410"]What do you make of this?
Machida vs Houston (see where they belong)
Forrest vs Hendo/Rampage/Silva
Jardine vs Rua/Hendo/Silva
Lidell retire! [/quote]

DUDE…THIS INITIAL FIGHT SET UP WOULD BE AWESOME!!!

I SAY PUT:

MACHIDA VS HOUSTON – FOR SURE LETS SEE WHERE EACH STAND IF HOUSTON WINS THEN HE WILL BE MAKING A STRONG NAME FOR HIMSELF HE STILL NEEDS MORE TESTS AND THIS WOULD BE A PERFECT ONE

FORREST VS HENDO – SIMPLY A GREAT MATCH UP AND IF GRIFFIN WINS THEN THERE IS THE NEXT MAN FOR RAMPAGE

JARDINE VS RUA – I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THIS FIGHT IF RUA DOESNT GAS OUT THEN I THINK HE SHOULD BE ABLE TO REGAIN SOME CREDIBILITY

LIDDELL VS SILVA – EVERYBODY STILL WANTS TO SEE THIS ONE IF LIDDELL LOSES THEN HE SHOULD RETIRE

THEN FROM HERE WE START SEEING WHO IS RAMPAGE NEXT OPPONENT

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Mirko won his first fight in the UFC coming over from Pride with no transition fights[/quote]

That must have been a really memorable fight because I don’t even remember CroCop being on that card.. :-p I was thinking his first fight was Gonzaga. Thanks for pointing that out.