Din blew out his F@#@$^G knee, come on, don’t act like Kflo dominated him or anything. I hate poor reporting or commentary when they try to make it look like a beat down when the guy had to quit for other reasons.

[quote post="3390"]don’t act like Kflo dominated him or anything.[/quote]

How did I do that? In fact, did you not read this:

“KenFlo” sunk in the fight-ending move after it appeared “Dinyero” blew out his left knew going for a takedown.

Relax, hater.

IT WAS FUNNY TO SEE DIN RUN AWAY. MAKING KEN FLOW LOOK STUPID ,ALWAYS WALKING BACK. THEN GET THE PRESURR HE WANTED>>> LOOKED LIKE HE WAS SUPPRISED ABOUT KEN AGRESSION..BECAUSE HE WAS WORRIED…YOU SEEN IT IN HIS FACE WHEN KEN FLOW TURNED IT ON

Killflo did indeed finish a fight, and it was against a top notch competitor.

KillFlo, looked a little bad on his stand-up but he can work on that later.

I’m actually suprised the ref didn’t stop it when Florian was raining down the punches. Many fights end like that.

That fight would of ended up the same way without the injury. like kickinthehead said ~ Din wasn’t ready for killflo. I think Kenny’s right though, i don’t think any LW should want to fight him right now, he’s on a tear.

Personally, i’d like to see him fight JS for the next title shot after the “roidshark” either gets stripped or gets beat by BJ! Sherk definately won’t be able to LNP on BJ, he’ll get choked or tapped out with the quickness!

Stevenson/Florian would be an exciting fight from two guys with different body types who both like to “FINISH” fights!

Make it happen Dana!

Joe Steveson vs Ken-Flo

winner gets BJ Penn

Oct 31st we will finally get a verdict about the roid issue with Sean Sherk..so the light can turn green for the LW division.

the fight whent 30 sec to long… ref should of been paying attention…din had his left hand onhis knee for 30 sec…. only one hand defending his head…..mario yamasaki open your eyes next time…but it was good for the fans…and also i think the ref knew he was a veterain and wasnt gonna give up quick…. good try din….

Hey PhilQNY great minds think alike! We posted like the same exact thing at the exact same time. Good call man!

ken won the fight but it was apparent that din was hurt, surprised that the fight was not stopped sooner

It looks like Blue Steel Florian has elevated himself to ‘referring to myself in third person’ status.

[quote comment="153534"]Hey PhilQNY great minds think alike! We posted like the same exact thing at the exact same time. Good call man![/quote]

True Story.

Din knew he was in trouble when he tried to fight Kenflo off his back and started to feel those sharp elbows. He then tried to stand and realized that wasn’t the smartest thing and went for the shot and then blows his knee. IMO kenflo dominated and whether or not his knee blew when ur in the cage you are there to capitalize. Kenflo looked good.

I have never been much of a Kenny Florian fan (probably closer to the opposite) but this guy definitely finishes fights and is a ton better than when he first fought Sherk for the then-vacant LW title.

I am really starting to enjoy watching KenFlo fight, and I think that it’s about time that he change his nickname to either, “The Killer,” or “The Finisher.” Both speak so much more appropriately about KF’s fighting style.

BJ PENN is still my LW fav to carry the belt but KEN FLO is sure as hell going to make things real interesting in that division!

Damn it!!! I wish Fight Night aired in the UK. I still want to see Sherk vs Penn. Sherk has only ever been beaten by welter weights and two of the best of them (GSP and Hughes). Penn has a body type that allows him to go between LHW and Welter, where as GSP and Hughes don’t, in fact both have expressed interest in the MW division.

So in my mind the perfect result would be for Sherk to retain the title and then defend it against BJ (which despite what many think would be a very good match) and Kenflo gets the winner.

So far Sherk has only decision victories in the UFC, no one wants a champion that “wins by not losing”, but I would rather the title be taken off him through fighting than any other way.

[quote comment="153512"][quote post="3390"]don’t act like Kflo dominated him or anything.[/quote]

How did I do that? In fact, did you not read this:

“KenFlo” sunk in the fight-ending move after it appeared “Dinyero” blew out his left knew going for a takedown.

Relax, hater.[/quote]

Get em, Mania!

By far one of the best cards of all time. check it out;

Quarry/Sell- has to be a fight of the year nominee

Diaz- Dominated after those first 2 leg kicks

Leben/Martin- was a loudmouth bullyfest, that ended very exciting, possible F.O.Y

Ken Flo- Dominated!! My leg would hurt too if i had him dropping 30-40 hammerfist on dome. Florian was the better fighter and would win that match up 70-80% of the time.

Great card by the UFC!!!!! Can’t wait until Saturday!

Ken flo is a Warrior, I say it all the time. His best qualities as a fighter is that he is a true GAMER. He is a thinking man’s fighter (like couture). Ken flo is always improving, he has got crazy warrior-type heart, he is a very well rounded mixed martial artist, his muy tai has to be the most improved weapon in mma, he is a great grappler. If I was a LW fighter, I would not wanna fight Kenny. He is a very smart person and he uses that to his advantage in the cage. I c the fire in Ken flo’s eyes and beating him will be very tough.

Its a shame what happened to Din last night, as soon as he taunted kenny, kenny turned the heat up, unfortunately Din blew out his knee right after that. Im not saying Din would have won, but kenny would of had to fight to finish him. That win was basically gift wrapped for Kenny. Hey Sh8t happens, we cant be mad at kenny for that. But as a main event you dont wanna c stuff like that decide the fight.

[quote comment="153577"]By far one of the best cards of all time. check it out;

Quarry/Sell- has to be a fight of the year nominee

Diaz- Dominated after those first 2 leg kicks

Leben/Martin- was a loudmouth bullyfest, that ended very exciting, possible F.O.Y

Ken Flo- Dominated!! My leg would hurt too if i had him dropping 30-40 hammerfist on dome. Florian was the better fighter and would win that match up 70-80% of the time.

Great card by the UFC!!!!! Can’t wait until Saturday![/quote]

Leben/Martin ended pretty crazy, I thought Leben was done, then Martin fell down. haha..

[quote comment="153552"]Din knew he was in trouble when he tried to fight Kenflo off his back and started to feel those sharp elbows. He then tried to stand and realized that wasn’t the smartest thing and went for the shot and then blows his knee. IMO kenflo dominated and whether or not his knee blew when ur in the cage you are there to capitalize. Kenflo looked good.[/quote]

Did you even watch the fight? Florian didn’t land a single elbow when he took him down. He only landed 2 the whole fight, and that was when Thomas had him on the ground. If you think he was dominating this fight, then you are obviously biased.

That fight was close until that happened, with neither landing anything significant. I’d put Florian slightly ahead up until that point based on aggression.

[quote comment="153530"]Joe Steveson vs Ken-Flo

winner gets BJ Penn

Oct 31st we will finally get a verdict about the roid issue with Sean Sherk..so the light can turn green for the LW division.[/quote]

Good &@#!!*%# Idea!!!

I’m sure everybody is shaking in their boots after they heard his post fight interview…You better hope you don’t get matched up with Kenny Florian….What a tool box.

I was definately most impressed with Leben & Diaz! For Leben to swallow his pride and not try to stand and bang with Martin shows that he IS evolvingn as a mmartist, which is good to see cause’ I’ve always liked Leben ever since his drunken rampage through the TUF house trying to kill Kos. He actually came out with a game plan and more importantly, he stuck with it for 15 min. and ended up with one of the craziest recovery KOs i’ve ever seen.

and as for Diaz, I don’t know if it’s just me or does this kid have some serious bjj? that was great back n’ forth on both of their parts, but you can tell Nate is Nicks brother ~ they both have that warrior spirit!

definately one of the best cards i’ve seen, for sure the best free one!!! thanks for that one Dana!

Florian would have won regardless. I don’t know if I want to see BJ Penn fight again. Sure he’s tough but I’m tired of hearing the same hype about that guy over and over again and him getting fatigued and losing.

Check out this article I just found: I am sooooo pissed!

According to reports, Hardcore Championship Fighting has signed PRIDE veteran Antonio Rogerio Nogueira to an exclusive three-fight contract.

“Today we’ve announced the signing of Antonio Rogerio Nogueira,” Crawford said. “Minotoro of course the nickname that’s the smaller brother, the 205 pound Nogueira, to get a gentlemen with his Pride experience and fight experience under exclusive contract to us is huge for us, and huge for MMA in Canada. We’re hoping his first fight will be in November in Vancouver, as one of our main-events, or semi-main-events, on the Vancouver card. Either way we are ecstatic to have him under our banner.”

[quote comment="153512"]
Relax, hater.[/quote]

ROFL!!

john were did you get that info…this is BAD new FOR THE UFC..YOU WOULD THINK HE WOULD MAKE MORE $$$$$ IN UFC

sure din thomas blew out his knee, but kenny florian still looked great last night, he impresses me every time he fights, and i loved what he said after the fight, he’s turning himself into one of my favorite fighters…i think ken flo is a serious contender for the lw title, like most lightweights, sean sherk was just a bad match up for him, but since then he’s gotten so much better at his stand up with his muay tai, he has great kicks, and we all know about his elbows and ground game, i think right now he would take joe stevenson, and would give bj penn all he could handle…

I think it is now time for Martin vs Cote.

[quote comment="153627"]I think it is now time for Martin vs Cote.[/quote]

yeah i’d like to see it

Is it me, or was it weird to see Kflo’s brother hugging Kenny yelling… “He finishes…He finishes!”

Notice Kenny in comment… “Well I will try to finish…” little less confident.

I saw the fight going to Kenny whether Din blew his knee or not.

Kenny dominated that fight everywhere it was. He was not running away from Din at all. Normally, when the fighters are standing, one is pressing forward on the offensive, and the other is backing up looking to counterpunch. From what I saw, Din was moving in slowly, but not throwing anything while standing. Yes, Kenny was slowly moving backwards, but HE was the aggressor throwing kick after kick afer kick. He was picking Din apart. Then Din has the nerve to showboat like that? I am a fan of Din, but Karma served him right! You want to taunt and disrespect your opponent, and Kenny FLorian at that – who never has anthing bad to say about anyone, and then he blows out his knee doing something that he does 100’s of times a day. Coincidence – I think not.

I LOVED when Kenny said:

“If the UFC calls … Joe Silva’s on the phone, tells you you got a fight coming up, you better hope and pray it’s not Kenny Florian.”

That is for sure in my top 5 post fight interview comments!!!

[quote post="3390"]Did you even watch the fight? Florian didn’t land a single elbow when he took him down. He only landed 2 the whole fight, and that was when Thomas had him on the ground. [/quote]

Kenny landed several elbows from the bottom to the top of Din’s head. It’s a good thing he grew the fro out a little bit for padding, or he would have been sliced open.

Oh yeah, and for that first half hour where there was no commentating, did anyone else find themselves commentating themselves out loud? I was even watching the first fight by myself.

Also, without the sound, Joe Rogan looked like a complete fool having that rubber chicken looking fake spinal cord and that grey lego piece. Plus, they had the camera zoomed in on it for like 3 whole minutes. If we weren’t such fans of MMA and knew that Quarry had spinal surgery, we would have thought that either Joe Rogan has gone insane, or that you changed the channel by accident.

I agree with yohnstoppable. There was no domination demonstrated. That fight was anybodies fight up until the moment Din blew his knee out.

If I had money, I would have placed it on Florian, but we simply don’t know.

I would like to see a rematch. I was looking forward to that fight and we never got to see a satisfying conclusion.

[quote post="3390"]Kenny dominated that fight everywhere it was. [/quote]

Maybe not ‘dominated’, but he definately won the stand up exchanges, and he looked better on the ground. So basically, Din did not look better than/outperform Kenny in any apect of MMA in their short bout.

I know Kenny wants to show his Muay Thai skills, but he can’t be throwing high kicks all the time. A high kick has a better chance connecting when you’re not throwing it often (see Gonzaga vs Crocop, GSP vs Hughes II). Also, his boxing needs to be a little crisper. But he’s young, and has room to improve. Throw in a little more wrestling, and you’ve got a future champ.

[quote comment="153634"][quote comment="153627"]I think it is now time for Martin vs Cote.[/quote]

yeah i’d like to see it[/quote]
ME THREE!!

GSP vs Hughes. I like GSP he remind me of Jean-Claude Van Damme (sp). I don’t care if he’s a Canadian or French, he’s a good fighter and a good guy. I look forward to seeing his next fight.

Florian was dominating in the sense that he was landed solid leg kicks and dropping elbows on Din’s head. His leg kicks could have contributed to Din not setting his foot right for the shot. No hating, it’s just obvious Kenny was winning the fight.

Gotta feel bad for Din. Up to that point, you can agree that the injury was the only reason he lost. Sure, Florian was looking strong, landing a few hits here and there, but I don’t think it’s safe to say that Florian would have ‘definitely’ won. It is a fight. Given an opportunity and capitalizing on it, the fight can turn around in the blink of an eye. Take the CL vs TM fight earlier as an example.

I do agree that Florian would have probably won based on his performance, but that’s all he deserves is ‘probably’.

Rematch.

Lets have a UFC Grand Prix LHW Tournement for the tittle.

1.BJ Penn
2.Kenny Florian
3.Nate Diaz
4.Joe Stevenson
5.Takanori Gomi
6.Roger Huerta
7.Sean Sherk
8.Din Thomas

[quote comment="153720"]Lets have a UFC Grand Prix LHW Tournement for the tittle.

1.BJ Penn
2.Kenny Florian
3.Nate Diaz
4.Joe Stevenson
5.Takanori Gomi
6.Roger Huerta
7.Sean Sherk
8.Din Thomas[/quote]

I meant Lightwieght grand prix tournament.

[quote comment="153722"][quote comment="153720"]Lets have a UFC Grand Prix LHW Tournement for the tittle.

1.BJ Penn
2.Kenny Florian
3.Nate Diaz
4.Joe Stevenson
5.Takanori Gomi
6.Roger Huerta
7.Sean Sherk
8.Din Thomas[/quote]

I meant Lightwieght grand prix tournament.[/quote]

that would be cool, but i’m not sure why you would have the champ as the 7 seed, and nate diaz wouldn’t get in over guys like spencer fisher, tyson griffin, frank edgar, or clay guida, and gomi isn’t in the ufc

[quote comment="153662"]Oh yeah, and for that first half hour where there was no commentating, did anyone else find themselves commentating themselves out loud? I was even watching the first fight by myself.

Also, without the sound, Joe Rogan looked like a complete fool having that rubber chicken looking fake spinal cord and that grey lego piece. Plus, they had the camera zoomed in on it for like 3 whole minutes. If we weren’t such fans of MMA and knew that Quarry had spinal surgery, we would have thought that either Joe Rogan has gone insane, or that you changed the channel by accident.[/quote]
I was definately commentating too. When they showed the closse up of the spinal chord/ vertebrae pieces, I thought it would be a Dr. explaining what happened. Turns out it was Rogan, what a joke.

That had the potential to be a much better fight. Din clearly blew out the knee. I hope Florian would be willing to fight him again

i know i will be criticized for this comment but i dont see why penn is automatically getting a title shot. The lightweight division is tough and i cant see why he is any more deserving than florian and stevenson. Also people kiss penn’s ass and if he fought florian he will lose. He would submit stevenson i believe but not florian. Florian is a black belt with great conditioning and his stand up is way better than penns.

Pulver is not a tough opponent anymore,,sorry he is underskilled and undersized…that win carries no weight with me. florian and stevenson would both merck him.

[quote post="3390"]That had the potential to be a much better fight. Din clearly blew out the knee. I hope Florian would be willing to fight him again [/quote]

Florian has no reason to accept that fight, im sure he would because he is a game fighter. but it would make no sense for him. If he was getting his ass kicked when the injury happened maybe its a different story. Florian needs to get a number one contender match or title fight.

dinmight of blown out his knee that proves his conditioning wasn’t up to par

[quote comment="153808"]dinmight of blown out his knee that proves his conditioning wasn’t up to par[/quote]

How’s that?

I wonder, do you think Din’s leg blew out because he ate a few leg kicks without checking them?

Plus Din was turning the back of his head into Kenflo’s punches at one point, that’s why he didn’t get a warning from the ref.

Do you guys think that they’re going to keep having Ultimate Fight nights? That arena looked dead and empty. Have one in DC and you’ll get a boat load of people!

Yeah, NO SHIT!!!! have one in MICHIGAN and I GUARANTEE we would sell out the Palace or Joe Louis or some huge venue!!

After last nights card, I don’t know HOW they could not keep having UFNs, but it would suck if they stopped them!

I wonder, do you think Din’s leg blew out because he ate a few leg kicks without checking them?

I definately believe that eating a few thai kicks could have softened his leg up, which could have allowed it buckle more easily when he shot.

pure speculation though!

“PUT HIM IN A BODY BAG”

i was impressed how easily Kenny tok Din down. I figured Din to be the stronger fighter, but he didn’t look it when getting taken down. Obviously the injury played a big role in the outcome, but I didn’t see anything from Din, in the short time that they were fighting, to show he would have had anything more than a puncher’s chance at beating Florian. I give the harder striking to Din obviously. Leg kicks wouldn,t buckle the knee, unless they landed on the knee.

[quote post="3390"]GSP vs Hughes. I like GSP he remind me of Jean-Claude Van Damme (sp). I don’t care if he’s a Canadian or French, he’s a good fighter and a good guy. I look forward to seeing his next fight. [/quote]

Ahhhhh, that’s why my brother is such a GSP fan…

[quote post="3390"]“PUT HIM IN A BODY BAG” [/quote]
That drunken fool had me laughing too!

[quote comment="153530"]Joe Steveson vs Ken-Flo

winner gets BJ Penn

Oct 31st we will finally get a verdict about the roid issue with Sean Sherk..so the light can turn green for the LW division.[/quote]
I disagree, I think Spencer Fischer and Florian should fight now. Joe Stevenson should get Penn.

[quote comment="153915"][quote comment="153530"]Joe Steveson vs Ken-Flo

winner gets BJ Penn

Oct 31st we will finally get a verdict about the roid issue with Sean Sherk..so the light can turn green for the LW division.[/quote]
I disagree, I think Spencer Fischer and Florian should fight now. Joe Stevenson should get Penn.[/quote]

I agree that it should be Stevenson and Penn when Sherk’s appeal gets denied. If we have to wait for another “top contender” matchup, the title will be vacant until April. Let BJ and Stevenson fight for the vacant title in December and then 3 or 4 months after that BJ can submit the Florian – Fisher winner. Plus, you can give Huerta a step up in December and if he’s successful, he can fight on the spring card with a title shot for later in 2008 on the line.

i would really like to see Spencer Fisher get a title shot.

[quote comment="153908"][quote post="3390"]GSP vs Hughes. I like GSP he remind me of Jean-Claude Van Damme (sp). I don’t care if he’s a Canadian or French, he’s a good fighter and a good guy. I look forward to seeing his next fight. [/quote]

Ahhhhh, that’s why my brother is such a GSP fan…

[quote post="3390"]“PUT HIM IN A BODY BAG” [/quote]
That drunken fool had me laughing too![/quote]

yeah, I forgot all about that, did that guy have perfect timing or what. It was almost completely silent when he yelled that. freakin hilarious.

freestyle: Yes Pulver is far from the best mma fighters, but penn absolutely destroyed him – standup/wrestling/bjj..

But remember, he lost a split decision to the strongest mma fighter out there (GSP), and alot of people believe he shouldve won

And he was absolutely dominating Matt Hughes in their rematch up until he injured his rib and consequently lost in the 3rd round..

BJ Penn also put a bjj CLINIC on Gomi, another high ranked fighter back in Pride..he embarassed Gomi – and after losing he said something along the lines of “I would be happy if he (penn) would you be my BJJ sensei”

I dont see anyone in the LW/WW division able to compete against BJ (other than GSP)

Oh BTW – The Matt Hughes rematch, penn took on short notice..and still was able to dominate the first 2 rounds until the injury..

“i know i will be criticized for this comment but i dont see why penn is automatically getting a title shot. The lightweight division is tough and i cant see why he is any more deserving than florian and stevenson. Also people kiss penn’s ass and if he fought florian he will lose. He would submit stevenson i believe but not florian. Florian is a black belt with great conditioning and his stand up is way better than penns.

Pulver is not a tough opponent anymore,,sorry he is underskilled and undersized…that win carries no weight with me. florian and stevenson would both merck him.”

You’re damn right you’re going to get criticized for this comment!!!!! What in the world makes you think that Florian has better standup than BJ? Just cuz he threw a few blocked high kicks? I like Florian but Penn is better in every way. His standup against Hughes and St-Pierre was excellent and his takedown defense is second only to GSP’s. Also’s Florian’s BJJ doesn’t come close Penn’s.

[quote post="3390"]You’re damn right you’re going to get criticized for this comment!!!!! What in the world makes you think that Florian has better standup than BJ? Just cuz he threw a few blocked high kicks? I like Florian but Penn is better in every way. His standup against Hughes and St-Pierre was excellent and his takedown defense is second only to GSP’s. Also’s Florian’s BJJ doesn’t come close Penn’s. [/quote]

i was waiting for someone to get back at me. thanks for that. BJ is no doubt a phenom. But florian has the conditioning that BJ lacks. I dont care who wins what rounds. All that matters is who wins the fight. Florian would wear BJ out until he had nothing left and then finish the fight. Florian has crazy grappling credentials along with BJ but his muay thai is better. BJ needs to win against a big name in the LW division to get a shot just like the other fighters (stevenson,Florian)

That event should be highlighted to remind fighter’s not to talk $hit inside the cage…both Martin and Din got ko’ed right after they taunted there opponents. If you can’t back it up….DON’T TALK $HIT!!!

yall talk about bj vs stevenson and stuff or kenflo fightin bj,sherk aint out of it yet and if the title dosent get stripped from him then who will take if.bj,please he gases,sherk would have a playday with him.kenflo,sherk already had his playday with him.i like fisher,but he aint on sherks level.stevenson,i like him to but his only chance is maby catchin sherk in a guliotin while sherk is takin him down.huerta,i would love to see him pull off the upset but i doubt it.all yall bj and kenflo fans better pray sherk gets stripped of the title or else they can kiss their chance goodbye

[quote post="3390"]“PUT HIM IN A BODY BAG” [/quote]
That drunken fool had me laughing too![/quote]

yeah, I forgot all about that, did that guy have perfect timing or what. It was almost completely silent when he yelled that. freakin hilarious.[/quote]

I wanna know how he got louder than the announcers. Did he hack the PA system?

“i was waiting for someone to get back at me. thanks for that. BJ is no doubt a phenom. But florian has the conditioning that BJ lacks. I dont care who wins what rounds. All that matters is who wins the fight. Florian would wear BJ out until he had nothing left and then finish the fight. Florian has crazy grappling credentials along with BJ but his muay thai is better. BJ needs to win against a big name in the LW division to get a shot just like the other fighters (stevenson,Florian)”

BJ didn’t gas against Hughes and at lightweight he has to be in good or at least improved shape to even make weight. Kenny Florian can’t finish BJ in any way. He can’t submit him thats for damn sure and he can’t knock him out. The only way he can beat him is if he cuts him. I understand if you think BJ hasn’t earned his title shot but for you to say that Florian is better than him is absurd. Also, why do people keep bringing up Penn’s cardio is if it’s relevant at lightweight? Penn at welterweight took the Hughes fight on short notice and he got a split decision loss against St-Pierre when he was in terrible shape. Florian didn’t even get the win against Thomas. Granted, he was winning the fight but the fact of the matter is Din injured himself. I don’t want to ramble but what I’m trying to say is that BJ Penn in decent shape would eat Florian alive!

Wait ABM your using the Din injured himself to knock on Florians win? Come on man if it applies to Kenflo it applies to BJ. I agree BJ is top 5 maybe top 3 fighter but in MMA on any given night you don’t bring your A game, thats skill, aggression, game plan, AND CARDIO you can an will get caught. Top 2,3, 4 or 5 you don’t bring it in MMA and some guy who is being fed to you for stats will catch you out, See Serra/GSP. I think Bj is loaded with talent but I hate hearing excuses about short notice or accidental injury to himself or if he hadnt gassed he would have won. To refer to a quote from a month or so ago…BJ put down the bong quit eating snack cakes. I think he can come in and dominate if he gets in shape. But what is worse a bad fighter getting a lucky win or a good fighter coming in unprepared and losing….

http://www.ifilm.com/show/22399

“kenny, you look like you should be a math teacher” — very funny.

To those people calling Florian a ‘tool’ because Kenny says things like –

“I finish fights”

or

“If the UFC calls … [UFC matchmaker] Joe Silva’s on the phone, tells you [that] you got a fight coming up, you better hope and pray it’s not Kenny Florian”

If you’re bastardizing Kenny for these comments, than you’re and idiot who doesn’t see a guy who’s doing a little self advertising/promoting. Compared to other fighters, KenFlo made a meager $11k to show/$11k to win. Now, to get more fights, top dollar, and a little more credability…don’t you think its a good thing to be known as a fighter who finishes fights?

Its a pretty simple gameplan. I notice how there’s a lot more fans that respect Kenny’s skills more now that he’s known as a finisher who actually does finish..versus a hump fest fighter like Koscheck. Koscheck is plan boring.

[quote post="3390"]BJ didn’t gas against Hughes and at lightweight he has to be in good or at least improved shape to even make weight. Kenny Florian can’t finish BJ in any way. He can’t submit him thats for damn sure and he can’t knock him out. The only way he can beat him is if he cuts him. I understand if you think BJ hasn’t earned his title shot but for you to say that Florian is better than him is absurd. Also, why do people keep bringing up Penn’s cardio is if it’s relevant at lightweight? Penn at welterweight took the Hughes fight on short notice and he got a split decision loss against St-Pierre when he was in terrible shape. Florian didn’t even get the win against Thomas. Granted, he was winning the fight but the fact of the matter is Din injured himself. I don’t want to ramble but what I’m trying to say is that BJ Penn in decent shape would eat Florian alive! [/quote]

I 100 percent believe that BJ needs to win one more fight before he gets the title shot. Just becuase he performed well and LOST to GSP, performed well and LOST to hughes, and beat pulver. Pulver is so small and my ground game is better than his. Everyone elsehad to win numberous fights to be considered. BJ goes 1-2 and is a lock. BS

Some earlier comments referencing KenFlo’s elbows reminded me of something that’s been confusing me lately, so hopefully one of you guys can clear this up for me. I thought it stated clearly in the UFC rules that “downward” elbow strikes are illegal, yet I seem to keep seeing more and more of them. Examples…Kenny striking the top of Din’s head – the announcers even mentioned something about him growing his hair out for padding so he didn’t get cut so easily. Anderson Silva on Travis Lutter right before the triangle choke. And I’m pretty sure Danzig threw a couple on Joe Scarola in TUF6 episode 1. These are just a few of the examples that immediately come to mind, but I know there have been many more recently. So could someone please explain the rules on downward elbow strikes to me? I don’t even recall hearing the referee give a warning in any of my above example so I must not understand the rule properly. Thanks.

What I love the most of the UFN 11 everyone who started any Octagon ANTICS, got cocky, or tried to mock their opponent got TFKO.

Justice!

I pray sherk gets stripped, and not cause i’m scared of BJ or KF losing to him!

I DON’T WANT TO WAIT A YEAR BETWEEN EACH LAY-N-PRAY TITLE DEFENSE! THE GUY IS SO BORING TO WATCH!

I know, I know, he’s got great takedowns. But, shit he doesn’t do anything once he gets em’ down! I mean, he better be powerful, what is he like 5′3″ & 155lbs?

these are guys i’d much rather see holding the LW strap:
1.BJ
2.Florian
3.Fisher
4.Stevenson
4-1/2. Diaz
5.Huerta
6.Alves
7.Guida
8.Pulver
9.my cousin jim
10. emanuelle lewis
11.

[quote post="3390"]I pray sherk gets stripped, and not cause i’m scared of BJ or KF losing to him!

I DON’T WANT TO WAIT A YEAR BETWEEN EACH LAY-N-PRAY TITLE DEFENSE! THE GUY IS SO BORING TO WATCH!

I know, I know, he’s got great takedowns. But, shit he doesn’t do anything once he gets em’ down! I mean, he better be powerful, what is he like 5″²3″³ & 155lbs?[/quote]

This is a ridiculous statement. Did you watch the franca fight. He was constantly passing guard with ease. Franca is a bjj black belt and instructor. He won every exchange on the feet and got caught with 2 hard knees while shooting. Those were the only points scored by fanca along with the guillotines which he could not finish with. The Sherk Frnaca fight was the fight of the night and was very entertaining.

hey freestyle……

[quote post="3390"]This is a ridiculous statement. Did you watch the franca fight. He was constantly passing guard with ease[/quote]…. with 25 min and no finish!!!! thats horrible!!!……maybee he should be working on landing stikes

the fight was even until the injury. nothing is really settled with the existing restult. i want a rematch. infact i want rematches for free on spike tv.

tito ortiz vs rashad evans
matt hamill vs michael bisping
nate diaz vs manny gamburyan
kenflo vs din thomas

c’mon dana, make it happen baby.

[quote comment="153808"]dinmight of blown out his knee that proves his conditioning wasn’t up to par[/quote]
Dude how does blowing a knee out show his conditioning was up to par. It’s not like when you get tired your knee just blows out all of the sudden.

[quote comment="154569"]Some earlier comments referencing KenFlo’s elbows reminded me of something that’s been confusing me lately, so hopefully one of you guys can clear this up for me. I thought it stated clearly in the UFC rules that “downward” elbow strikes are illegal, yet I seem to keep seeing more and more of them. Examples…Kenny striking the top of Din’s head – the announcers even mentioned something about him growing his hair out for padding so he didn’t get cut so easily. Anderson Silva on Travis Lutter right before the triangle choke. And I’m pretty sure Danzig threw a couple on Joe Scarola in TUF6 episode 1. These are just a few of the examples that immediately come to mind, but I know there have been many more recently. So could someone please explain the rules on downward elbow strikes to me? I don’t even recall hearing the referee give a warning in any of my above example so I must not understand the rule properly. Thanks.[/quote]

No “point of the elbow” downward strikes. The way it’s worded can be confising, but the forearm/elbow is acceptable. The point of the elbow isn’t. This is mainly due to the likelyhood that a cut will come from an elbow stopping fight prematurely

[quote comment="155442"][quote comment="154569"]Some earlier comments referencing KenFlo’s elbows reminded me of something that’s been confusing me lately, so hopefully one of you guys can clear this up for me. I thought it stated clearly in the UFC rules that “downward” elbow strikes are illegal, yet I seem to keep seeing more and more of them. Examples…Kenny striking the top of Din’s head – the announcers even mentioned something about him growing his hair out for padding so he didn’t get cut so easily. Anderson Silva on Travis Lutter right before the triangle choke. And I’m pretty sure Danzig threw a couple on Joe Scarola in TUF6 episode 1. These are just a few of the examples that immediately come to mind, but I know there have been many more recently. So could someone please explain the rules on downward elbow strikes to me? I don’t even recall hearing the referee give a warning in any of my above example so I must not understand the rule properly. Thanks.[/quote]

No “point of the elbow” downward strikes. The way it’s worded can be confising, but the forearm/elbow is acceptable. The point of the elbow isn’t. This is mainly due to the likelyhood that a cut will come from an elbow stopping fight prematurely[/quote]

Thanks for the clarification, although I’m still confused because the downward elbow strikes that I’ve been seeing more of lately usually do hit point first. Yet rarely, if ever, do I hear warnings from the ref on them. I’ll keep my eye out for more examples tonight. Hopefully we’ll see some more of them and it’ll spark a nice debate where lots of people weigh in with their opinions. Until then…

[quote post="3390"]“i was waiting for someone to get back at me. thanks for that. BJ is no doubt a phenom. But florian has the conditioning that BJ lacks. I dont care who wins what rounds. All that matters is who wins the fight. Florian would wear BJ out until he had nothing left and then finish the fight. Florian has crazy grappling credentials along with BJ but his muay thai is better. BJ needs to win against a big name in the LW division to get a shot just like the other fighters (stevenson,Florian)”
BJ didn’t gas against Hughes and at lightweight he has to be in good or at least improved shape to even make weight. Kenny Florian can’t finish BJ in any way. He can’t submit him thats for damn sure and he can’t knock him out. The only way he can beat him is if he cuts him. I understand if you think BJ hasn’t earned his title shot but for you to say that Florian is better than him is absurd. Also, why do people keep bringing up Penn’s cardio is if it’s relevant at lightweight? Penn at welterweight took the Hughes fight on short notice and he got a split decision loss against St-Pierre when he was in terrible shape. Florian didn’t even get the win against Thomas. Granted, he was winning the fight but the fact of the matter is Din injured himself. I don’t want to ramble but what I’m trying to say is that BJ Penn in decent shape would eat Florian alive! [/quote]

To say that KenFlo is a better mma figter than BJ Penn is just absurd. HOWEVER, to say that on any given night, Kenny has a great chance at defeating Penn. Their styles match up perfectly. I don’t see either of them getting submitted. Kenny standup is ever improving. It would be a FANTASTIC FIGHT!