First!

I guess he didn’t think much of the comment’s from Dana White saying he was basically irrelevant. It’s good he’s staying in the UFC though so we can see him get more beaten up.

Yeah Tito, well all think you’re just great. Just be careful not to break your finger in the fence next time.

Yeah, he’s a good draw and all. A moneymaker. But he will not be LHW champ again. Perhaps if Shogun, Rampage, Hendo, Liddell, etc all die in a plane crash- then he MAY have a shot.

Might actually be one of the smartest things Tito has ever said. Dude has a HUGE fan base… Now he just needs to win some fights without judges being involved…

thais is good to hear. i guess everything dana was saying before didn’t mean much because they still gave him everything he wanted. dan should shut it once in a while.

“because I’ve had a huge draw and a huge fan base that still support me 100 percent…(lose, or draw).”

I chose to remove the word win out of his quote there. I’ve never been a tito fan and will never be one. Other than that, here we go with more constant bickering and lame attempts to stay in the spotlight.

Look at the size of his chin in that picture! It looks like one those facial deformities those giant people suffer from.

Uh, I don’t know what Tito’s smoking, but it’s hard to keep fans when you don’t win fights (especially by stoppages). Once Tito’s lack of stopping ability gets exposed this time around, I don’t think he’ll be “getting what he wants” on his next contract.

I hope to never see this bum fight again, unless he is getting beaten up by wanderlei, Shogun, Rampage or Henderson! He hasnt beaten a good opponent in like 5 years. Tito I wish you would just go away!!!!!!!!!!

TITO SUXS!!!!!!!!

I admit, I’m a Tito fan. I’m still impressed that his only losses this decade have been to Liddell and Couture – two of the best in the world. He also has the most title defenses out of the lhw div. He’s also a big money maker for the UFC and done a lot for the sport.

Regardless of all of that, as a fan of the sport, I see him always injured going into a fight. It’s tough to imagine him at 100% anymore. It’s like he goes into his match and shows what he can be in the first round (who does a 10-8 vs Forrest? who dominates Rashad? Tito has done both, albeit for one round) and then all of the injuries surface up then on.

If I were him (already made my money, have Jenna, tasted the gold around my waiste), I would consider an early retirement from fighting and open up a gym, market some clothes, hang out on the beach, and enjoy the success.

To say Tito sux is a little bit of a understatment. He may not be the best out there, but he was right about the fan base. Bigger than Liddell? No, probably not. Bigger than Couture? You could make a case. He is definitely at least number 3 on bringing in the crowd. Actually now that I think about it he isn’t really dominant in any particular area, but I will give him credit for being the most determined fighter I’ve seen. Since he has held Gold before, Im sure he is on a quest to get it back. How? Beats the hell outta me. Its possible though.

I think it’s a smart move by Dana to re-sign him to a new contract. He’s definitely not top 5 anymore, but he does know how to hype fights and get fans and media attention focused on the UFC. This is exactly what the organization and the sport of MMA needs going into the new year, and he’ll fulfill this mission well.

The problem is, casual fans never take the time to look at the facts. Tito Ortiz has been apart of the two most purchased UFC PPV events in history. This included UFC 61 against Ken Shamrock with 775,000 buys (no one bought that PPV for Sylvia vs. Arlovski, sorry) and UFC 66 against Chuck Liddell with 1 million buys. Ortiz vs. Shamrock 3 was also the most watched fight in UFC history on Spike TV, with Rampage vs. Henderson at #2 and Bisping and Hammill at #3. Numbers don’t lie and Ortiz is consistant.

i’m a tito fan and have been since the days he was beating up the lions den guys but i have to admit, the mma world has gotten alot better but Tito has not. He’s a now a B-rate fighter at best. Any highlights he might have the rest of his career will come against TUF fighters…but i really dont even see that happening.
sorry tito but you think your a lot better then you actualy are.

I say he make the jump to heavy weight. Tito vs. Heath Herring would be a good first fight for him at heavy weight.

what a stupid shit noone likes him we just like just like seeing him get that ass beat

Tito’s popularity is dwindling. He fought 3 fights against the UFC’s most popular fighters: one against Randy Couture and two against Chuck Liddell. These fans weren’t all there to see Tito. Notice how he didn’t sell as well in his last card, and that card was Stacked (pun intended) with two Championship fights. Most of his future opponents won’t be as popular. You can only fight so many hall of fame caliber fighters.

Also, his skills will diminish as he ages, and that means, reduced popularity. Everybody likes a winner.

Lastly, he’s over played the ‘I-really-hate-my-opponent’ card. I really believed that he hated Guy Metzger and Ken Shamrock. His latest rivalry with Rashad Evans is manufactured.

[quote comment="150230"]I hope to never see this bum fight again, unless he is getting beaten up by wanderlei, Shogun, Rampage or Henderson! He hasnt beaten a good opponent in like 5 years. Tito I wish you would just go away!!!!!!!!!![/quote]
Damn right! He always throws some dissapointing matches and bad performances, especially against Liddel and Shamrock. He doesn’t even ground pound, he grounds and elbows them like Shamrock vs Tito 3 which look alot like the second one. He never show off some new moves in every fight just the same old thing ground and elbow ‘em, ground and elbow ‘em. When’s the last time Tito knocked anybody out? Just Shamrock in the 3rd bout but it was not a spectacular knockout. Of course he has a fanbase but it’s going down slowly due to dissapointing performance during the fights. He needs to improve his striking skills and should be more agressive and also striking and pounding the grounded opponent and elbows too but not like the way he does on Shamrock or nowadays. Tito is overated, he is too technical, too alert, overconfident, and hardly apprehend toward his opponent. Tito, you better throw some great fights or get lost.

You bet your ass we stand behind you 100 percent, win, lose, or draw!!!

LET THE PUNISHMENT BEGIN…INTO 2008 and beyond!

yep i agree the only person tito can beat is an over the hill shamrock it proves that polotics are involved in the ufc i wish they woyuld start a tourney to help out with rankings in the ufc the winner of each div. tourney fights champ and hold the whole tourney in a week for the ULTIMATE FIGHTING EXPERIENCE

Yall are right, Tito hasnt been doing very good at all lately, but you cant disrespect the guy, i mean, have you watched his old fights when he first got into the ufc? The guy was unstoppable!

This will be the LAST TIME Tito gets a contract.

By next year the game will have evolved even more and he will become more irrelevant. Good thing he’s made his money already. He’s a young guy and is pretty much set for life.

Where else would tito fight??? EliteXC???? wait that could actually be interesting. I would love to see F.Shamrock-Tito II only for my own entertainment. Both those guys have nothing to offer but one last beatdown.

He needs to get his act together if he wants to stay wether or not he’s a big marketing base for the UFC especially with the fans he’s gotta start Grinding some fights in and winning it and not just being good at manufacturing bad blood before fights.

I must have have missed the Fedor announcement…
somebody fill me in on that….

wait.. there was no Fedor new news?

Okay, so then maybe someone explain to me why Tito is back and no word on Fedor. I’m about as favourable to Ortiz as I am to the War in Iraq.

If only he finished fights the way he gets it all going.

Pre-performance hype machine: 9/10
performance in ring abilities: 5/10
MMA fans overall satisfaction: 3/10
(post fight)
Excuses for poor performance: 10/10 (I always look forward to the excuses after a good Tito bout)

Maybe i got a little carried away here, maybe a lot of people agree with me… anyway. FEDOR… simple.

BZ.

On second thought i would spend $40 to see

A) Shogun Vs. Ortiz…
B) Wandy Vs. Ortiz…
C) Alexander Vs. Ortiz…

Not comparing Houston to any of the above names, just think i’d get to see Tito get some bleached knocked out of his hair.

I would pay for that, if your listening Dana.

BZ.

I AM NOT A TITO FAN! However, I do appreciate what he does bring to the cage as a fighter. Here is a link that I’m sure you Tito fans will enjoy.

Tito Ortiz vs Matt Hughes in ADCC tournament:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=WK5h5KuPmYg

[quote post="3348"]Lastly, he’s over played the “I-really-hate-my-opponent’ card. I really believed that he hated Guy Metzger and Ken Shamrock. His latest rivalry with Rashad Evans is manufactured.[/quote]

That’s the most true thing I’ve read today.
Seriously, there was just nothing in his rivalry with Rashad at all. Was so fake the entire way.

tito ortiz

striking = 3/5
KO power = 1/5
wrestling = 3/5
ground and pound = 4/5
takedown defense = 2/5
jijutsu = 1/5
chin = 2/5
conditioning = 2/5
heart = 1/5

tito ortiz

1-very poor 2-poor 3-average 4-good 5-elite

striking = 3/5 I’d agree
KO power = 3/5
wrestling = 4/5
ground and pound = 5/5 Widely-known by MMA analysts as one of the greatest ground & pounders ever to grace the UFC.
takedown defense = 3/5
jijutsu = 1/5 I’d agree
chin = 2/5 I’d agree
conditioning = 5/5 Aside from his latest showing against Rashad Evans, the UFC’s recognized Tito as one of the, if not the most conditioned athlete in the UFC. So much so, that the UFC commends other fighters for training with him in Big Bear to take their cardio to a whole other level.
heart = 3/5 I want to give him more but I can’t. Although I still firmly believe that he wants to do well, he has begun to place too much emphasis on $$$ as opposed to making a statement in the LHW division.

Dispite all the Haters (and there is alot of you out there) Tito sells! The ufc knows it, Dana W knows it (even though he would rather eat rat poisen then admit it), And most people with a brain in there head know it. Saying all this i would rank him 6 in the LHW division probably tied with about four other guys for that spot. Im glad he resigned!

Tito is in serious danger of leaving “fighter” territory and entering “t.v. personality” territory.
I think a lot of people recognize that Ortiz would be very hesitent to sign on paper to go any top 5 fighter LHW.

1.Rampage… nope.
2.Shogun…. nope.
3.Liddell… why?
4.Wandy….. I would love see see this -II- NOT Rashad.
5.Hendo…. nope.

(wild cards) Sokoudjou….nope.

I would lay money down on Lambert/Babalu/Machida/Alexander over Ortiz as well.

I honestly believe If Tito does not fight one of these guys in 2008 he might as well be fighting John Cena for the WWE title in 2009.

I dont hate Ortiz, just want to see him back up all the pre-fight smack talk for once. Tim Sylvia’s turn will come when the thread for Vera/Sylvia approaches.

BZ.

Big Zino says “I would lay money down on Lambert/Babalu/Machida/Alexander over Ortiz”

Lambert-Ortiz via ref stoppage (EARLY rd 2)
Babalu- Ortiz via ref stoppate (EARLY rd 3)
Machida- Ortiz via decision (boring fight)
Alexander- Fun fight to watch, Houston isn’t used to being in the ring with someone as strong, if not stronger than him. Fight could go either way.

All in all Big Zino, you’d lose 3 of the 4 for sure, and have a 50/50 chance with Houston but only due to his power.

tito should hang up the leather and star in other b rated movies he’s washedup

[quote comment="150318"]On second thought i would spend $40 to see

A) Shogun Vs. Ortiz…
B) Wandy Vs. Ortiz…
C) Alexander Vs. Ortiz…

Not comparing Houston to any of the above names, just think i’d get to see Tito get some bleached knocked out of his hair.

I would pay for that, if your listening Dana.

BZ.[/quote]

I would pay to c Tito get ius assed whipped any day, the only problem is that tito doesnt have the ballz to ever fight Shogon or wanderlei or Rampage. Tito knows he is a bum and he is satisfied trtying to beat B level fighters. He was a better coach on TUF then he is a fighter!

JP JR – - This time last year I might have agreed.
Although i only mention those guys as opponents for Ortiz.
My money is on them because of their heart vs. Titos.
I think he is more in that tier of fighter than he is with the top 5. If he railed off a couple of wins with these fellas w/ less talk and more walk i might even enjoy the H.B. Bad Boy again.

I think Lambert is Tito’s best fight of the 4. I noticed you had a lot of stoppages in your predictions. Maybe you havn’t seen Tito’s last few fights.

Tito’s 2006/07. 1 – 1 – 1 (Griffin-Liddell-Evans)
Tito’s best performance (2006) was his loss to Chuck…
(I refuse to count the Shamrock fights, Tito was making his money/acting a part. That was not a competition either time.)

In conclusion – out of Tito’s 3 most recent MMA COMPETITIONS, the only fight finished was the one where he got KTFO again by Chuck. I strongly doubt that todays Tito loses me 3.5 out of 4 of those boughts.

All in Ortiz needs to fight someone that has a NAME equal to that of Tito. I don’t want to see Tito vs. Hectar “the sick dog” Ramirez. Im sure it would be easier to get his signature on that contract then say….

Tito Vs. Wandy II. Tito wins that… my opinion changes at that time.

BZ

Good logic BZ, I always respect the opinion of someone who takes the time to justify their point-of-view.

As a longtime and current fan of Tito Ortiz, sometimes I wish that Tito didn’t have his own camp (TEAM PUNISHMENT). The reason being is that I believe his athleticism is exceptional and with the right camp (one that will make him progress with the sport i.e. LEARN SOME FRICKIN’ JU-JITSU) such as Extreme Couture, Team Quest, or Juanito Ibarra’s camp (Rampage’s camp), we could and would see a Tito Ortiz more than capable of challenging for the LHW championship again.

Best case scenario, join up with his good friend Rampage’s camp because I think Juanito Ibarra is an amazing trainer, so much so that I believe he could humble Tito, whereas, Tito would re-evaluate where his heart stands within the sport of MMA.

Once completed, I think Juanito would take advantage of Tito’s work ethic in making sure that his knowledge covered ALL fighting discisplines in order to effectively be able to use them in a match, if needed.

This career route would cost Tito a great deal of financial gain from the business standpoint of things but tremendously raise his fighting stock and guarantee a long and successful future with the UFC. Let us not forget that Tito is only 31. If the heaven’s are listening, please rely this message to Tito.

JP JR- Likewise. Thats actually why i don’t post too much. Most of the time, by the time i get into a thread what i want to say has already been covered…multiple times. But i will generally only read the intelligent debates that go on here
and skip over the mind numbing ramblings that few are guilty of.

My thoughts on Tito joining Ibarra and Co. F#$%%N’ best idea I’ve heard EVER for him. Makes a lot of sense being spread to thin by the demands of Team Punishment (as a team and Co.) My god if Kongo can outlast Cro Cop like he did, what could Tito do? The one molecule of respect i do have for TODAYS Tito.. (i enjoyed Early Tito)
Conditioning. It’s no joke, and he does have talent somewhere underneath all that ego. If he rededicated himself back to a student role, arguably, he could get a muzzle on his mouth while working underneath someone and a lot more dangerous to his opponents. If he wants to be a fighter 100% then thats a good place to get started.

JP JR can you tell me one thing about Tito. If he is such good friends with Dean Lister… Where in the bloody hell is his Ju Jitsu??? Does he have it and just mentally can’t move away from ground and pound in a fight???

BZ.

Why do people think that having Jenna Jameson on your arm is some kind of accomplishment? First of all, like 1,324 other guys can say they’ve had her on their “arm”. Big deal – she’s a porn star. Only some arrogant, I’m-the-baddest-m’f'er-in-the-world would actually pursue a relationship with someone who has more VD than a ghetto strip club’s bathroom.

Tito your not that good anymore, your chin is freaking huge, and your girlfriend has probably boned like half of the people that watch your sub-par fights. Get over yourself.

I believe that deep down, Tito does indeed have a solid ju-jitsu game but unfortunately, I think that he depends on his “once unstoppable” ground and pound a bit too much. Although still effective, he really needs to expand his skils to contend with the ever-growing evolution of an MMA athlete. I think a lot of this has to do with the pressure he puts on himself to live up to the persona he has built as the “Huntington Beach Bad Boy,” and to prove to all his critics that he still belongs among the UFC’S LHW elite.

Given the amount of critics he has, and his ability to build a fight, I think that Tito let’s his emotions take over, both too often, and too much (which can be a negative at times). I think that Tito tends to hide any form of insecurity by replacing it with confidence, and in Tito’s case, alot of it.

I think that Tito’s ego is what keeps him from expanding outside of his comfort zone of ground and pound. He knows that fans like to see fights be finished and if Tito can do that, it pleases his fans, earns him the respect as a LHW contender, and gives the ultimate “f*ck you” to his critics.

All in all, a humble Tito is a VERY dangerous Tito but the question remains, will we as MMA fans ever see a humble Tito Ortiz?

I hope so, I really, really do.

- JP Jr

Tito NEVER brings anything new into the octagon.
Watch a Tito fight from 5 years ago and you’ve already seen exactly how he fights today. Tito is boring and done.
The Huntington Beach Sad Boy only wants to be a personality, not a fighter. You’ll see his picture on TMZ with Jenna more than you’ll see fighting news about him. The steroids that swelled his head must have done some brain damage as well. Dana should just let him go to Bodog, he won’t be missed.

Rashad/Tito is going to be a decision snorefest. I’d like to see Tito/Wand or Tito/Alexander.

This guy talks about money too much. Yeah, as a fighter you want to make a lot of money, but isn’t becomimg a champion the main goal of being an ultimate fighter? It seems like he has his priorities mixed up. Many fighters fight because they love to fight, like Fitch, and don’t really care about the money. Tito takes fighting like is a regular job.

I did like Tito on TUF. He seemed liked a nice guy. As for his fights, well someone said he has only lost ot Lidell and Cotoure this decade. My question: Who else has he fought?

I guess the thing I like the most about Tito is his girlfriend Jenna!!

[quote comment="150318"]On second thought i would spend $40 to see

A) Shogun Vs. Ortiz…
B) Wandy Vs. Ortiz…
C) Alexander Vs. Ortiz…

Not comparing Houston to any of the above names, just think i’d get to see Tito get some bleached knocked out of his hair.

I would pay for that, if your listening Dana.

BZ.[/quote]Yeah, i’d like to see those! Especially to find out how Houston will fair with someone like Ortiz

[quote comment="150717"]I did like Tito on TUF. He seemed liked a nice guy. As for his fights, well someone said he has only lost ot Lidell and Cotoure this decade. My question: Who else has he fought?

I guess the thing I like the most about Tito is his girlfriend Jenna!![/quote]

He beat everyone’s TUF hero Forrest Griffin, Vitor Belfort, and Patrick Cote. All decisions though. He should have beat Evans too but that point cost him big.

I’M A TITO FAN,I’M A FAN OF WATCHING HIME LOSE.

[quote comment="150259"]i’m a tito fan and have been since the days he was beating up the lions den guys but i have to admit, the mma world has gotten alot better but Tito has not. He’s a now a B-rate fighter at best. Any highlights he might have the rest of his career will come against TUF fighters…but i really dont even see that happening.
sorry tito but you think your a lot better then you actualy are.[/quote]
[quote comment="150214"]thais is good to hear. i guess everything dana was saying before didn’t mean much because they still gave him everything he wanted. dan should shut it once in a while.[/quote]

I am a Tito fan for picking up that senior citizen (shamrock)like a wheel Barrel and slamming him into the ground.

I do feel this signing shows us that all the stuff between Dana and Tito is crap. Tito fits right into the soap opera mold. Hispanics and Latinos are going to follow him and it does not matter if he has lost his intensity in the ring.

Who is he going to fight? Shogun? Alexander? Jardine? I dont think so – I agree, Tito is going into the UFC fighter protection program (UFCFPP).

Viva la Cash Flow!!!!!

[quote post="3348"]This guy talks about money too much. Yeah, as a fighter you want to make a lot of money, but isn’t becomimg a champion the main goal of being an ultimate fighter? It seems like he has his priorities mixed up. Many fighters fight because they love to fight, like Fitch, and don’t really care about the money. Tito takes fighting like is a regular job. [/quote]

This leads to the question – ‘Given the choice, what you you rather – make twice as money as you make now, or make half the money you make now, but be the champion’

[quote comment="150773"][quote post="3348"]This guy talks about money too much. Yeah, as a fighter you want to make a lot of money, but isn’t becomimg a champion the main goal of being an ultimate fighter? It seems like he has his priorities mixed up. Many fighters fight because they love to fight, like Fitch, and don’t really care about the money. Tito takes fighting like is a regular job. [/quote]

This leads to the question – ‘Given the choice, what you you rather – make twice as money as you make now, or make half the money you make now, but be the champion’[/quote]
If I was a fighter I would definetly take less money and be the champ. I dunno if Tito feels that way, but he’s a homo anyway and can care less what he thinks. If a fighter would rather make more money than be champion I think they’re fighting for the wrong reason.

[quote comment="150714"]This guy talks about money too much. Yeah, as a fighter you want to make a lot of money, but isn’t becomimg a champion the main goal of being an ultimate fighter? It seems like he has his priorities mixed up. Many fighters fight because they love to fight, like Fitch, and don’t really care about the money. Tito takes fighting like is a regular job.[/quote]

…John Fitch and Jeremy Horn (now that guy loves to fight).

Actually, Tito v. Horn would be mildly interesting.

B.Z.

Is Tito related to JAY LENO?? That CHIN is off the charts.

Retire already, you’ve got no skills anymore.

Wandy will get his his rematch against Tito and Tito will be looking at wandy’s knee caps and upperuts from the clinch and will be knocked out in the first maybe second round. As far as his fan base, what fan base, i don’t know anyone who likes Tito and I know a hundred people that like chuck and randy. The only reason I would be spend 40 dollars on a pay per view with tito on the main event is to see him get his ass beat.

Apparently Dana thinks he does have enough fans to get PPV sales. I know some Tito fans. I personally don’t care that much for him, but he seems like a decent guy. I would like to see him get some big wins though just to pi** you guys off though.

[quote comment="151589"]Apparently Dana thinks he does have enough fans to get PPV sales. I know some Tito fans. I personally don’t care that much for him, but he seems like a decent guy. I would like to see him get some big wins though just to pi** you guys off though. [/quote]
He’s gotta aligator mouth and a hummingbird ass, his mouth writes checks that his ass can’t cash. He would be a good guy if he didn’t flap his gums so much. He talks the talk but can not walk the walk in a lot of cases and he won’t get any big wins guy mark my word!

Tito is the man , he has a huge following , man he is still a top fighter , i can see him having the belt again, remeber tanner , shamrock and all those mo fo’s, Tito for prez

iv got to admit iv a soft spot for tito, all be it his performances of late have not been up to scratch! Lets face it tho he would still give most fighters in the division a run for there money. im glad he has signed again, im not saying he should be the main card at the moment but id love to be at the one where he is on the undercard, that would be fun. Keep up the good work tito, atleast you make the sport as entertaining as you can!!