I don’t really care who Marquardt faces because it’s guranteed to be snoozefest unless he gets KO’d quickly.

Thales Leites needs to fight Nate Marquardt.

Nate likes to push his opponents to the ground, and Thales has some of the best submission moves anybody has ever seen.

What about Travis Lutter? I know he could be expected back into the octagon possibly in January? That would be another fight I would really like to see.

Evan Tanner as well would match-up well with Nate.

So many choices. Nate is not that great in my opinion. But I will leave that for another day.

Dan Henderson should fight Marquardt. I’m pretty sure they are close to being the same size. Or at least they were when Henderson was a middleweight.

How much does Joe Rogan weigh? I think a Hendo/Rogan fight would be perfect. Then Bas Rutten could slide right into the chair of the deceased.

[quote comment="148404"]Dan Henderson should fight Marquardt. I’m pretty sure they are close to being the same size. Or at least they were when Henderson was a middleweight.[/quote]

I could see this fight happening if Nate was a champion.

IT would be Hendo/Silva or Franklin when he drops down to “unify” or “kill” the Pride belt with the UFC Belt.

Hendo/Nate would be an intriguing match-up but to be honest I could see Hendo just man-handling Nate for 3 rounds.

Evan Tanner or the loser of Okami/MacDonald would be a great matchup for him I believe.

Am I the only one who thinks Silva would TKO Hendo if they fought? Especially in a five round fight, there would be just too much time spent on the fight, and that big right hand of Hendersons isn’t going to do much good against the best striker in MMA.

Hendo is the only solution. The UFC needs him in the middlewight division.

I have to believe Hendo would clean up in the MW division – Silva included.

Why don’t they bring Matt Lindland back? I know he and Dana don’t get along, but I think it’s in the best interests of both parties. Put business ahead of personal agendas.

Oh and there’s also Paulo Filho.

[quote comment="148460"]Oh and there’s also Paulo Filho.[/quote]
With his recent win in WEC he may go for a couple of fights there as champ just to continue to build up the hype surrounding him right now. There are still a lot of “fans” that watch the UFC exclusively. Matt would be soo great to have back and I would welcome Tanner as well, that being the best choice in my opinion to fight against Nate in January. It will immediately put him back in the top tier if he wins and if not it will re-hieghten Nate as Tanner was a gamer the last I saw him.

I agree Hendo vs Sila. Hendo head is hard enough to withstand some shots from Silva.

A lot of you think he should fight to unify the belts. But I think they should hype him a bit before they do that. I would be shocked if he pulled a CroCop and lost.

What about Denis Kang? He would be a solid addition IMHO.
They would have to build him up, but the guy brings it everytime he steps into the ring!

Who will be the first to KO Silva? Any thoughts people? Your allowed one name, and one name only. Go..

MW will be just as stacked as the other divisions, if not more, when they bring in the following fighters:

Dangerous Dan
The Law
Souzo

BRING EM IN DANA!!!!

And also make Bisping drop to 185 as well, he would kick ass at that weight class

Silva-Okami would be a great showdown … but how hard would that be to market here in the United States? Eek.

who cares – the UFC is goin worldwide, the worlds bigger than than the US Mania

I dont see why it would be hard to market in the us, forgive me for being dense, but how do you mean?

And Hendo/franklin is the fight Im waiting to see.

“Am I the only one who thinks Silva would TKO Hendo if they fought? Especially in a five round fight, there would be just too much time spent on the fight, and that big right hand of Hendersons isn’t going to do much good against the best striker in MMA.”

Not way is Silva going to TKO Hendo. Hendo has a granite jaw. In the first match with Wanderlei who has way more power than Silva, Hendo ate so many shots and he still fought to a decision. Hendo is too good in the clinch for Anderson to take him out with a knee. As soon as he goes for a muay thai clinch he’ll be on his ass. I agree that Anderson Silva is the most accurate striker in MMA but that doesn’t necessarily make him the best. I think if Anderson and Hendo were to fight that it would be a long day for Silva. I’d defintely be cheering for him though.

[quote comment="148550"]Silva-Okami would be a great showdown … but how hard would that be to market here in the United States? Eek.

who cares – the UFC is goin worldwide, the worlds bigger than than the US Mania[/quote]

Yeah good point. That’s a better one for pulling in those Japanese fans; hopefully for them the UFC can fill the void left by Pride. It would be disrespectful not to do an event over there in the near future, mind you I do relise they have K-1 and Shooto so it’s not like there’s no big mma organisation.

Surely it would be in there best interest to get them onside so to speak. Plus any fight with Anderson in it is a cracking fight.

Paulo Filho

UFC bring in Ricardo “Big Dog” Almieda to wooop Nate’s ass..then he can get kick in the face again by Renzo. ;P

[quote comment="148592"][quote comment="148550"]Silva-Okami would be a great showdown … but how hard would that be to market here in the United States? Eek.

who cares – the UFC is goin worldwide, the worlds bigger than than the US Mania[/quote]

Yeah good point. That’s a better one for pulling in those Japanese fans; hopefully for them the UFC can fill the void left by Pride. It would be disrespectful not to do an event over there in the near future, mind you I do relise they have K-1 and Shooto so it’s not like there’s no big mma organisation.

Surely it would be in there best interest to get them onside so to speak. Plus any fight with Anderson in it is a cracking fight.[/quote]

I am probably American as they come I would love to see Silva- Okami. Yeah, I know they fought once before and Silva got DQ’d. I dont think this fight would be hard at all to market. For true MMA fans just want to see great fights, and the fans just like certain fighters, well there is always the undercard!

It was hard for me to watch my hometown boy get killed in the 1st round via TKO. I live in Denver CO, and im thinking about traing at his Gym TKs. Right down the street from where i live. He looked good right in the beginning… then hell came from the fists of silva… that guy is a nightmare standing up.

Sorry to interrupt in the conversation, but I am really happy about Mark Cuban buying into the MMA world. Here is a copy/paste of my post I just put in the Cuban thread. Mania, sorry for double posting, but I thought it was kind of cool, and want to see what people think… Was it really him????

Hey guys, yesterday I listened to that radio interview with Mark Cuban. On there he gave out his email address. So, I decided to send him an email, and drop a little plug for ufcmania.com

I sent the email at 5:15pm, and got a response from ‘him’ in my inbox this morning. ‘He’ replied at 9:15pm. So it wasn’t an automated email, but I wonder if he really read it and responded, or most likely, some assistant did or something. But in his interview he did say something like he’s really been checking his email as of late, and trying to respond to most of them.

Here is the email I sent him:

Mark,
>
> I am truely excited about you starting your own MMA organization. I am
> a
> HUGE fan of MMA, but I am just sick of Dana White. To be honest, I
> don’t
> think that the Bisping/Hamill issue would have lasted more than a
> minute with you in charge.
> I can just picture you jumping into the cage/octagon, grabbing the mic,
> and saying “are you kidding me, Bisping you lost, Hamill you won.
> That’s
> it. Judges, you are fired”. I mean the decision turned the British
> fans
> agains the British Bisping. It was unbelievable! Thank you for coming
> to
> the aid of MMA, it needs you.
>
> If you happen to have a free second (highly doubtful), check out
> http://www.ufcmania.com Its not about UFC exclusively. Not much new today,
> most was about you! It would be awesome if you could chime in. Just
> let
> them know that ViolentMike sent you!
>
> Thank you Mr. Cuban!!

And the email I got back was:

saw the site, thanks for the email

and you are right, no chance i would jump in the ring

thanks,

M
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What do you guys think?

Wow, that is a sad list. How can Dana not focus more on this div?! It’s obviously the weakest.

We need to get some more 185′ers. I cant wait for Evan Tanner to be thrown back into the mix.

[quote post="3317"]Thales Leites needs to fight Nate Marquardt.[/quote]

Absolutely Mr. NC17. Thales Leites is never brought up when discussing MW’s. He has fought in the UFC several times, at least 4, and has only 1 loss, and that was a decision loss to Martin Kampmann a while back. He has top notch BJJ, and good enough stand up. I think that he will be top 5 VERY soon!

[quote post="3317"]I have to believe Hendo would clean up in the MW division – Silva included. [/quote]

I truely believe that Dan Henderson is the only fighter in the UFC that can beat Anderson Silva in a best of 7. Anyone can beat anyone on a given day – as we’ve seen this year. Anderson is a heavy favorite to win every one of his title defences until Henderson moves back to his natural weight.

The only problem I see is, WHAT IF Henderson drops immediately to 185, and then loses to Anderson. The American public would think that he is just some chump, and not the true champion that Dan Henderson is. In the dictionary, next to the word ‘class’, should be a picture of Randy Couture and Dan Henderson.

If that were to happen, I would think that the obvious matchup then would be Franklin/Henderson, which is a fight I’ve wanted to see for years. The 2 poster boys of thier division looking to get back on top

[quote comment="148635"][quote post="3317"]Thales Leites needs to fight Nate Marquardt.[/quote]

Absolutely Mr. NC17. Thales Leites is never brought up when discussing MW’s. He has fought in the UFC several times, at least 4, and has only 1 loss, and that was a decision loss to Martin Kampmann a while back. He has top notch BJJ, and good enough stand up. I think that he will be top 5 VERY soon![/quote]

I think Thales is number 5 in that division right now if you look at it.

Kampmann still is injured, and is eying a return in 2008 possibly.

Drew McFedries is out untill 2008 with a SERIOUS staph infection.

Tanner.. well he is being Tanner.

and they have not signed Kang, Lindland, Filho (to a UFC contract) and Bisping has not dropped weight yet, same with Hendo.

I think Thales could beat J-Mac.

Here is my top 5 MW.

1.) Anderson Silva
2.) Rich Franklin
3.) Yushin Okami
4.) Nate Marquardt
5.) Thales Leites

Remember the names above were not mentioned, because this is a list of right now, when Kampmann, McFedries, Bisping and Hendo come back to 185. The list will change for the better.

Give Thales… Nate Marquardt!!!

or give him his rematch with Kampmann in 2008.

i like marquardt to fight the winner of okami/mcdonald instead of the loser…marquardt/okami would be a nice fight, and i still want to see mcdonald/kendall, even though thats probably not too much of a possibility after the cote loss…

I feel sorry for anyone in silva’s weight class

[quote post="3317"]And also make Bisping drop to 185 as well[/quote]

Same with Rashad. He could stand to lose some weight.

Here’s another name from the past: Robbie Lawler. He beat Frank Trigg in his last MMA match.

[quote comment="148481"]What about Denis Kang? He would be a solid addition IMHO.
They would have to build him up, but the guy brings it everytime he steps into the ring![/quote]

Kang would be an incredible addition to 185. He would be a clear contender. The dude is a beast. From what I’ve seen of him (a few fights online but alot of the links are duds now, any Denis Kang links posted would be appreciated) His boxing skills are strong enough to rival anyone in the division, even Silva. Not to mention, Kang has KO power in his punches & kicks along with strong wrestling & submissions. IMHO, the dude is top 10 in the world.

Here’s a good HL clip of Kang & it also features another serious dude named Melvin Manhoef.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2ojja_the-fast-lane-episode-1_sport

Until Henderson gets in this division, Silva is just gonna run over anyone Dana puts in front of him. I would really like to c dan Henderson destroy Rich Franklin, or Okami. Okami relies on his strength and I doubt he would out muscle Hendo. Jadon Mcdonald is top 5 in that division, enough said! That division is the biggest Joke in MMA, and its a shame because it boasts such a great Chsampion in Anderson Silva.

As for marquardt, I dont care toop much about him. I clearily doesnt belong at the top of the Middleweight division because he got completely outclassed by Silva, then again so did everyone else that he has faced.

A good opponent for Marqaurdt would be Rich.

The loss of Dan Henderson to Quinton Jackson was the greatest thing that could happen to the UFC. It is now almost certain that he will drop down to 185 lbs.

I would think that unless there is a convincing winner of the Yushin Okami vs. Jason MacDonald fight, of which I firmly believe MacDonald will win, I can EASILY SEE Dana “handing” the # 1 contender spot to Henderson.

Therefore : Early 2008, we’d see Dan Henderson vs. Silva/Franklin

If, MacDonald wins decisively, I would imagine he fights the champion. Dan Henderson would surely fight the loser of the Silva/Franlin fight.

In regards to Nate Marquardt, he would fight “the big name” as he puts it in Yushin Okami, that is if Okami is the loser of that fight with MacDonald. This leaves Patrick Cote to fight the winner of the Martin-Leben fight, and obviously unless an act of god occurs, Terry Martin wins via knockout.

Recap : Over the next 8 months expect to see

1. Silva vs. Franklin for UFC Middleweight title in November
2. Okami vs. MacDonald for possible # 1 contendership (decisive win a necessity)
3. Henderson vs. either A. loser of Silva/Franklin or B. fights for the title, if Okami or MacDonald cannot win decisively.
4. Marquardt vs. loser of Okami/MacDonald
5. Martin vs. Cote

As always please weigh in with thoughts and comments

that sounds about right to me Kevin. However, I would change around your #3.

“3. Henderson vs. either A. loser of Silva/Franklin or B. fights for the title, if Okami or MacDonald cannot win decisively.”

Loser of Silva/Franklin? Let just say Franklin. I say this not only because I think that 99/100 times Anderson would beat him, but because there is NOW WAY that Henderson would come to 185 and fight Anderson Silva not for the belt. NoNo, not happening. The ONLY fight I can picture Henderson having in the MW division besides Anderson Silva for the belt, is him fighting Rich Franklin in a UFC MW Poster Boy vs PRIDE American MW Poster Boy. But how can Henderson NOT be the #1 contender. He IS the PRIDE champion!

That makes solid sense Violent Mike, I’d say this though, Dan Henderson may fight for the title, presumably against Silva, if and only if MacDonald or Okami do not win that fight decisively. I think the UFC finally owes the fighters in a respective division the right to fight for a title and not have someone new to the UFC stroll in and fight for it immediately.

I understand Henderson is a prime exception to the rule, but I would like to see MacDonald or Okami fight for the title. Again, Dan Henderson versus the loser of the Silva/Franklin fight (assume Franklin) would be a nice treat. Then Henderson would probably fight for the title.

Think of it in another way, Rich Franklin already fought both Okami and MacDonald. If he loses which is a strong possibility (Im a Franklin fan), then he’d have to again move down the ladder and possibly have a re match with either Okami or MacDonald ?

NO ONE WANTS TO SEE THAT

This is why I say, PRAY for a clear cut winner in the Okami / MacDonald fight, have that person become the # 1 contender and fight Anderson Silva. This allows Rich Franklin to fight Dan Henderson is a huge mega fight next spring.

How does that sound to you all ?

now ya got it! We’re on the same page.

When I think about it more, Dana White has no intentions on doing anything with PRIDE. Unless you are an idiot, you know this. Violent Mike you may completely RIGHT.

Dana White cannot chance Franklin beating Henderson in a “Pride middleweight” title fight. What would White say ? That Franklin is the Pride Champ lol and there would be a need for a unification bout ?

No way, Dana definitly is looking to completely end Pride and he cant chance the Pride middleweight belt going around someone else’s waist.

Mike, I guess Dan Henderson will get first crack at either Silva or Franklin no matter the outcome of Okami/MacDonald. It’s just dissapointing to know that UFC guys who fight hard will always be surpassed in the rankings by outside guys who may be more talented.

As I see it :

Champion : Anderson Silva
1. Rich Franklin (based on the fact he is # 1 contender)
2. Dan Henderson
3. Yushin Okami (lastest 3 rounds with Franklin)
4. Jason MacDonald (lastest 2 rounds, Franklin does say Jason hits harder)
5. Terry Martin

Other noteables : Patrick Cote, Kendall Grove, Kalib Starnes

I forgot to add Nate Marquardt, he’s a strong guy who can always make for a decent fight regardless of his loss to Silva. I’d even go so far as to place Marquardt right behind the heels of Terry Martin

[quote comment="148931"]That makes solid sense Violent Mike, I’d say this though, Dan Henderson may fight for the title, presumably against Silva, if and only if MacDonald or Okami do not win that fight decisively. I think the UFC finally owes the fighters in a respective division the right to fight for a title and not have someone new to the UFC stroll in and fight for it immediately.

I understand Henderson is a prime exception to the rule, but I would like to see MacDonald or Okami fight for the title. Again, Dan Henderson versus the loser of the Silva/Franklin fight (assume Franklin) would be a nice treat. Then Henderson would probably fight for the title.

Think of it in another way, Rich Franklin already fought both Okami and MacDonald. If he loses which is a strong possibility (Im a Franklin fan), then he’d have to again move down the ladder and possibly have a re match with either Okami or MacDonald ?

NO ONE WANTS TO SEE THAT

This is why I say, PRAY for a clear cut winner in the Okami / MacDonald fight, have that person become the # 1 contender and fight Anderson Silva. This allows Rich Franklin to fight Dan Henderson is a huge mega fight next spring.

How does that sound to you all ?[/quote]

Sounds good BUT…..how do you justify giving Dan an immediate shot at the LHW & not an immediate shot at the 185 title?

[quote post="3317"]It’s just dissapointing to know that UFC guys who fight hard will always be surpassed in the rankings by outside guys who may be more talented.[/quote]

Kevin Kelly & Others: You have to realize that PRIDE was the #1 MMA promotion in the world for years. The changing of the guard didnt come until fairly recently. It’s arguable that the tides began to change with Forrest vs Bonnar/TUF #1 which is what garnered a sea of new UFC fans who unfortunately are/were unaware that MMA has been around since well before UFC #1.
Because of this, people like yourself are under the belief that UFC is the end-all, be-all for MMA. This is a completely inaccurae belief. Not because I say so but because if you do some serious research you’ll see that it’s soundly documented.
Like it or not, the PRIDE champions have always been revered & recognized World-Wide unlike the UFC champions who despite being respected across the globe were for the most part looked at as simply America’s champions.

Damn…..wher’d my comment go? Mania!

Machine,

As I look on it now, Dan Henderson will almost definitly, and more than deservingly get a shot at whoever holds the 185 lb. crown.

unless they make it official hendo is still in light weight. give nate the great either leites or maybe even kendall grove. i doubt nate will be fighting okami, franklin, or mcdonald so early in jan when they fight in oct. watch it will be grove or leites or henderson if and when it is official. evan tanner is slated to fight dean lister in dec. found out in nov ed herman is fighting dave terell. interesting fight that would be. my top 5 without hendo

1.franklin
2.okami
3.mcdonald
4.marquardt
5.martin
with leites right behind him

[quote comment="149153"]unless they make it official hendo is still in light weight. give nate the great either leites or maybe even kendall grove. i doubt nate will be fighting okami, franklin, or mcdonald so early in jan when they fight in oct. watch it will be grove or leites or henderson if and when it is official. evan tanner is slated to fight dean lister in dec. found out in nov ed herman is fighting dave terell. interesting fight that would be. my top 5 without hendo

1.franklin
2.okami
3.mcdonald
4.marquardt
5.martin
with leites right behind him[/quote]

another interesting match would be Lister vs Terrel. 2 elite BJJ experts going toe to toe! Talk about a technical match!

[quote comment="149137"]Machine,

As I look on it now, Dan Henderson will almost definitly, and more than deservingly get a shot at whoever holds the 185 lb. crown.[/quote]

I think the UFC will need to set up the Hendo vs A.Silva fight asap after Franklin loses their rematch in order to allow 185 to sort things out with various match ups. There are waaaay to many unanswered questions at 185 and no one is emerging as a true #1 contender. Plus, during one of those recent conference calls Dana was on he mentioned wanting to sign Denis Kang but hadnt heard from his management. This would allow time for those negotions to take place.

Machine :

“I think the UFC will need to set up the Hendo vs A.Silva fight asap after Franklin loses their rematch in order to allow 185 to sort things out with various match ups. There are waaaay to many unanswered questions at 185 and no one is emerging as a true #1 contender. Plus, during one of those recent conference calls Dana was on he mentioned wanting to sign Denis Kang but hadnt heard from his management. This would allow time for those negotions to take place. ”

Do you think that if Jason MacDonald were to beat Yushin Okami in the very first round by TKO or submission, that he would not be considered for a title shot with Silva or Franklin ? What is Okami wins in the same fashion Machine ?

Violent Mike ?

I just feel that if MacDonald or Okami win, who do they then fight ? If Dan Henderson gets his 185 pound title “unification” (nonsense because PRIDE is all but gone) fight, Okami or MacDonald would then fight an opponent who is beneath them in the rankings ? Who would they fight ?

Both guys have fought Rich Franklin, thus no one cares about seeing that fight ! With a win you should move up the rankings and fight the next best guy (hence Silva or Rich if he has the belt).

We are somewhat aware that Patrick Cote wants Terry Martin after he wins, so Martin is out.

Leben will be out of the UFC, and it is a lose-lose FIGHT for Okami or MacDonald. Does nothing to elevate their careers.

So while I understand Dana will almost 100% have Dan Henderson fight for the title at the very next available time, where does that leave the two talented fighters after one of them wins ?

My guess is fighting in a fight which has no significance, congrats to the UFC for not having a control on the 185 pound division and on other things in general.

[quote comment="149572"]Machine :

“I think the UFC will need to set up the Hendo vs A.Silva fight asap after Franklin loses their rematch in order to allow 185 to sort things out with various match ups. There are waaaay to many unanswered questions at 185 and no one is emerging as a true #1 contender. Plus, during one of those recent conference calls Dana was on he mentioned wanting to sign Denis Kang but hadnt heard from his management. This would allow time for those negotions to take place. ”

Do you think that if Jason MacDonald were to beat Yushin Okami in the very first round by TKO or submission, that he would not be considered for a title shot with Silva or Franklin ? What is Okami wins in the same fashion Machine ?

Violent Mike ?

I just feel that if MacDonald or Okami win, who do they then fight ? If Dan Henderson gets his 185 pound title “unification” (nonsense because PRIDE is all but gone) fight, Okami or MacDonald would then fight an opponent who is beneath them in the rankings ? Who would they fight ?

Both guys have fought Rich Franklin, thus no one cares about seeing that fight ! With a win you should move up the rankings and fight the next best guy (hence Silva or Rich if he has the belt).

We are somewhat aware that Patrick Cote wants Terry Martin after he wins, so Martin is out.

Leben will be out of the UFC, and it is a lose-lose FIGHT for Okami or MacDonald. Does nothing to elevate their careers.

So while I understand Dana will almost 100% have Dan Henderson fight for the title at the very next available time, where does that leave the two talented fighters after one of them wins ?

My guess is fighting in a fight which has no significance, congrats to the UFC for not having a control on the 185 pound division and on other things in general.[/quote]

I’m curious as to why the 185 division is so weak. Is there no up & coming talent developing in this weight class? I’ve gotta start scouring around the net for some new 185 contenders from other promotions because no one in the UFC seems to be doing it.

[quote comment="148484"]Who will be the first to KO Silva? Any thoughts people? Your allowed one name, and one name only. Go..[/quote]
first to k0 silva,let me think, no one, his striking is on a different level than anyone out there, dont see anyone ever out striking him, only chance hendo, has is to do lay, and pray, which he is better at then nate, but, it wont be easy taking silva down, now that his knees are healthy, not to mention, if he dropped down, silva will be as strong as hendo, and has to worry about his submissions, in short, anderson, may never lose a fight, in thje next 5 yrs or so

[quote comment="149708"][quote comment="149572"]Machine :

“I think the UFC will need to set up the Hendo vs A.Silva fight asap after Franklin loses their rematch in order to allow 185 to sort things out with various match ups. There are waaaay to many unanswered questions at 185 and no one is emerging as a true #1 contender. Plus, during one of those recent conference calls Dana was on he mentioned wanting to sign Denis Kang but hadnt heard from his management. This would allow time for those negotions to take place. ”

Do you think that if Jason MacDonald were to beat Yushin Okami in the very first round by TKO or submission, that he would not be considered for a title shot with Silva or Franklin ? What is Okami wins in the same fashion Machine ?

Violent Mike ?

I just feel that if MacDonald or Okami win, who do they then fight ? If Dan Henderson gets his 185 pound title “unification” (nonsense because PRIDE is all but gone) fight, Okami or MacDonald would then fight an opponent who is beneath them in the rankings ? Who would they fight ?

Both guys have fought Rich Franklin, thus no one cares about seeing that fight ! With a win you should move up the rankings and fight the next best guy (hence Silva or Rich if he has the belt).

We are somewhat aware that Patrick Cote wants Terry Martin after he wins, so Martin is out.

Leben will be out of the UFC, and it is a lose-lose FIGHT for Okami or MacDonald. Does nothing to elevate their careers.

So while I understand Dana will almost 100% have Dan Henderson fight for the title at the very next available time, where does that leave the two talented fighters after one of them wins ?

My guess is fighting in a fight which has no significance, congrats to the UFC for not having a control on the 185 pound division and on other things in general.[/quote]

I’m curious as to why the 185 division is so weak. Is there no up & coming talent developing in this weight class? I’ve gotta start scouring around the net for some new 185 contenders from other promotions because no one in the UFC seems to be doing it.[/quote]
its not that the division is weak, its just that silva, is so far ahead of anyone else, rich franklin could problably beat allmost any LHW, even fighting at 185

[quote comment="149708"][quote comment="149572"]Machine :

“I think the UFC will need to set up the Hendo vs A.Silva fight asap after Franklin loses their rematch in order to allow 185 to sort things out with various match ups. There are waaaay to many unanswered questions at 185 and no one is emerging as a true #1 contender. Plus, during one of those recent conference calls Dana was on he mentioned wanting to sign Denis Kang but hadnt heard from his management. This would allow time for those negotions to take place. ”

Do you think that if Jason MacDonald were to beat Yushin Okami in the very first round by TKO or submission, that he would not be considered for a title shot with Silva or Franklin ? What is Okami wins in the same fashion Machine ?

Violent Mike ?

I just feel that if MacDonald or Okami win, who do they then fight ? If Dan Henderson gets his 185 pound title “unification” (nonsense because PRIDE is all but gone) fight, Okami or MacDonald would then fight an opponent who is beneath them in the rankings ? Who would they fight ?

Both guys have fought Rich Franklin, thus no one cares about seeing that fight ! With a win you should move up the rankings and fight the next best guy (hence Silva or Rich if he has the belt).

We are somewhat aware that Patrick Cote wants Terry Martin after he wins, so Martin is out.

Leben will be out of the UFC, and it is a lose-lose FIGHT for Okami or MacDonald. Does nothing to elevate their careers.

So while I understand Dana will almost 100% have Dan Henderson fight for the title at the very next available time, where does that leave the two talented fighters after one of them wins ?

My guess is fighting in a fight which has no significance, congrats to the UFC for not having a control on the 185 pound division and on other things in general.[/quote]

I’m curious as to why the 185 division is so weak. Is there no up & coming talent developing in this weight class? I’ve gotta start scouring around the net for some new 185 contenders from other promotions because no one in the UFC seems to be doing it.[/quote]
wouldnt matter, if hendo fought at 185 lbs, silva would still mop the floor with him, his striking is amateurish compared to silva, rich franklin would problably destroy hendo, if he dropped to 185, the problem is no matter who drops to 185 is going to get his ass whooped by the spider