“CroCop lost his second fight in a row by unanimous decision. Mirko said that he had suffered a broken rib in the first round and that was one of the biggest reasons he was passive in other two rounds.”
– CroCop.tk reports that Mirko “Cro Cop” Filipovic suffered a broken rib in the first round of his heavyweight fight with Cheick Kongo at UFC 75: “Champion vs. Champion.” It was the only round of three that the Croatian — and heavy favorite — won on the judges scorecards. Kongo was very effective with hard kicks to the body (and knees to the nuts) throughout the fight.
September 9th, 2007
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number one!
that fight was frustrating to watch.
That would explain alot. Not that it excuses Cro cop from losing. If someone breaks your rib during a fight, that’s something they did to you and something you’re trying to prevent them from doing and do to them. I don’t know what to think about cro cop now. I do think he was winning that first round and the second and third were very hard to watch.
Come on Crocop. Get your tail in gear! I Want to see the OWG 2006 Crocop in the UFC.
CroCop is looking like Babalu did after he lost to Lampert. He REALLY needs a win now. I dont think anyone expected him to suck so bad in the UFC.
That was a hard knee to the balls, I think every man felt that one.
I know no fighter wants to win this way, but if Cro-Cop decided he could not continue because of that illegal hit, he could have won via disqualification (correct me if Im wrong). I’m glad he didn’t take the easy way out, it shows what kind of man he is. Mirko “Balls of Steel” Cro-Cop Flipovic!
Hey, could you guys clear something up for me?
I was under the impression you couldnt kick an opponent in the UFC when they were laying, yet Kongo did a huge stomp to the chest.
Are stomps ok but soccer kicks not? And if so why dont we see the flying double stomps?
[quote post=”3284″]Hey, could you guys clear something up for me?
I was under the impression you couldnt kick an opponent in the UFC when they were laying, yet Kongo did a huge stomp to the chest.
Are stomps ok but soccer kicks not? And if so why dont we see the flying double stomps? [/quote]
There are no head kicks allowed to a downed opponent.
[quote comment=”145890″]Hey, could you guys clear something up for me?
I was under the impression you couldnt kick an opponent in the UFC when they were laying, yet Kongo did a huge stomp to the chest.
Are stomps ok but soccer kicks not? And if so why dont we see the flying double stomps?[/quote]
No kicks or knees to the head of a grounded opponent. You can kick someone in the chest (or stomp them) while they are on the ground. Oh and attacks to the spine and throat are also illegal.
[quote comment=”145890″]Hey, could you guys clear something up for me?
I was under the impression you couldnt kick an opponent in the UFC when they were laying, yet Kongo did a huge stomp to the chest.
Are stomps ok but soccer kicks not? And if so why dont we see the flying double stomps?[/quote]
I am pretty sure that stomps to the ‘body’ are allowed in the UFC. Though I was suprised to see Big John repremand Alex Karalexis for doing the same thing in the WEC, so they must have different rules.
But I think the rib break explains a lot for me at least, especially since he was stalking Kongo that first round, and his ground work was impressive also. This isn’t the first time that CroCop has lost a decision to another striker. And since he didn’t get knocked out this time, I’d say it is a decent performance recovering so soon from his KO from Gonzaga.
I would like to add that Mirko hasn’t looked like the killer of old, but I think it’s too early to dismiss such an awesome force in MMA. He’s a monster and I think that in his next 3/4 fights on his contract (before he retires back to Croatia) he will be ferocious.
[quote comment=”145898″]I would like to add that Mirko hasn’t looked like the killer of old, but I think it’s too early to dismiss such an awesome force in MMA. He’s a monster and I think that in his next 3/4 fights on his contract (before he retires back to Croatia) he will be ferocious.[/quote]
I certainly hope so, I wonder if his next fight will even be main card.
[quote comment=”145899″][quote comment=”145898″]I would like to add that Mirko hasn’t looked like the killer of old, but I think it’s too early to dismiss such an awesome force in MMA. He’s a monster and I think that in his next 3/4 fights on his contract (before he retires back to Croatia) he will be ferocious.[/quote]
I certainly hope so, I wonder if his next fight will even be main card.[/quote]
One can only hope. I’m a grappler, freestyle wrestler so generally I lean more towards favoring grapplers, but I’ve always loved that explosive work from Mirko. Any body who can throw oak tree legs with that speed and power is a dangerous human being. And I would love nothing more than to see one more amazing showing from the Croation Highligh Reel.
[quote comment=”145890″]Hey, could you guys clear something up for me?
I was under the impression you couldnt kick an opponent in the UFC when they were laying, yet Kongo did a huge stomp to the chest.
Are stomps ok but soccer kicks not? And if so why dont we see the flying double stomps?[/quote]
what you saw was an axe kick in the 2nd round. it is legal
Broken ribs and knees to the balls really take the wind out of your sails i guess. Mirko was stalking Kongo in round one then for some reason was backpedaling rounds 2 and 3. I was really confused and thought it was bizzare.. maybe this explains some
fair excuse for the loss - BUT, too many people underestimated Kongo, He is a world class kick boxer = bad match up for crocop. Hope next time he actually does come back with the fire. wanna c him fight -vera, AA, Sylvia and couture yet - also id like to see him fight Werdum just to show people how good of a job Arlovski did against him (even though alot of people say he was crap against werdum - which is pure crap!)
wake up guys, Mirko has never been that special, He was dominant in Pride because pride Heavyweight division sucked, Big Nog looked terrible in his first appereance against the worst HW ever and will probably lose his next fight as well..
Not to talk about Fedor who is afraid to fight Tim Sylvia, that says it all..
[quote comment=”145923″]wake up guys, Mirko has never been that special, He was dominant in Pride because pride Heavyweight division sucked, Big Nog looked terrible in his first appereance against the worst HW ever and will probably lose his next fight as well..
Not to talk about Fedor who is afraid to fight Tim Sylvia, that says it all..[/quote]
That’s a lot of bad things to say about a great fighter. I think to be fair, Mirko has had some pretty impressive victories. Sure his last few fights have been less than impressive, but his career has been more than enough to solidify a spot in the upper echelon of MMA on the whole.
[quote post=”3284″]wake up guys, Mirko has never been that special, He was dominant in Pride because pride Heavyweight division sucked, Big Nog looked terrible in his first appereance against the worst HW ever and will probably lose his next fight as well..
Not to talk about Fedor who is afraid to fight Tim Sylvia, that says it all..[/quote]
why you say Fedor scared of the gump Sylvia?
[quote comment=”145929″][quote comment=”145923″]wake up guys, Mirko has never been that special, He was dominant in Pride because pride Heavyweight division sucked, Big Nog looked terrible in his first appereance against the worst HW ever and will probably lose his next fight as well..
Not to talk about Fedor who is afraid to fight Tim Sylvia, that says it all..[/quote]
That’s a lot of bad things to say about a great fighter. I think to be fair, Mirko has had some pretty impressive victories. Sure his last few fights have been less than impressive, but his career has been more than enough to solidify a spot in the upper echelon of MMA on the whole.[/quote]
of course - he will go down in history as one of the toughest guys in the world - if not, he bloody well should
I knew he had to have been hurt. I thought he hurt his left hand because he threw like one defensive jab in the 3rd round. Hopefully this means we’ll see the old Cro Cop next fight. I was quite disappointed…This was one of the fights I was really looking forward to.
oh and here we go with the excuses. Why cant people just admit that Kongo was the better fighter this time instead of looking for reasons why Crocop didnt win.
Who is Mirko going to be fighting next? Heath Herring? he’s dropping out of contention faster than Frank Trigg did.
[quote comment=”145892″][quote comment=”145890″]Hey, could you guys clear something up for me?
I was under the impression you couldnt kick an opponent in the UFC when they were laying, yet Kongo did a huge stomp to the chest.
Are stomps ok but soccer kicks not? And if so why dont we see the flying double stomps?[/quote]
No kicks or knees to the head of a grounded opponent. You can kick someone in the chest (or stomp them) while they are on the ground. Oh and attacks to the spine and throat are also illegal.[/quote]
No, stomps anywhere on the body are illegal. What Kongo did was an axe kick, which can be done to body. Completely different from a stomp.
Hey Mania, BTW, what happened to Any Given Saturday for UFC 75? Did they not do one?
I don’t mean to jump the gun here but it’s my opinion that Mirko is finished. His skill set is small and he’s lost a lot of his kickboxing ability and when Remi Bonjasky said he had lost a lot of his skill I was surprised; not anymore.
He has truly become a one trick pony, he doesn’t even use his hands. I think he just gassed, people will mention broken ribs (yes I realise it’s extremely painful), but Randy fractured his arm and won, Franklin broke his hand against Loiseau and won.
His day is over. 350,000 dollars a fight for this guy is laughable, I’m sure Kongo earned only about a quarter of that.
He just doesn’t have it anymore, as a Cro Cop fan that’s sad but ultimately I feel it will prove to be the case. He will see out his contract and then retire.
Unfortunately he’ll been seen as a once great kickboxer with some success in mma. But here are the facts; Hoost had his number in K-1, Fedor had his number in Pride and by the time he came to the UFC he had dropped the ball and become a washed up fighter who’s heart was no longer in it.
Kongo is not that good btw…I think of 10 fighters that WOULD beat him not COULD.
Crocop is done.
All you got to do is press the action in the fight,get Crocop to walk backwards and you can beat him.
ok, bigdiesel, you go ahead and do it.
In addition to the groin shots and the broken ribs, Crocop needs to work on the mental part of his game. He had it right during the PRIDE OWGP, but has lost it since. For the sake of MMA fans, I hope he will regain it.
Kongo wasn’t even that good.
[quote comment=”145915″]fair excuse for the loss - BUT, too many people underestimated Kongo, He is a world class kick boxer = bad match up for crocop. Hope next time he actually does come back with the fire. wanna c him fight -vera, AA, Sylvia and couture yet - also id like to see him fight Werdum just to show people how good of a job Arlovski did against him (even though alot of people say he was crap against werdum - which is pure crap!)[/quote]
Oh, please. Crocop came from K-1 where he fought the best kickboxers… Ever heard of Bonjasky, Aerts, Hoost (granted he lost to Hoost, but fought like a champ)? Kongo? Please.
Crocop/Werdum is an unlikely and unnecessary matchup, and yes Arlovski was a steaming pile of crap against Werdum. Not that Werdum did much in that fight either, but Arlovski is a bigger disappointment with each fight.
its time for cro cop to join a team!
I think that the fight was a lot closer due to kongo’s illegal knees to the groin. He should’ve been penalized which would have made the fight a draw. As for the broken rib who knows. Excuse maybe. I don’t know. Cro cop needs a big win or a sport psychologist. Even a weight cut to 205. Maybe then he’ll come out in true form as the dominant fighter everbody misses
[quote comment=”145973″][quote comment=”145892″][quote comment=”145890″]Hey, could you guys clear something up for me?
I was under the impression you couldnt kick an opponent in the UFC when they were laying, yet Kongo did a huge stomp to the chest.
Are stomps ok but soccer kicks not? And if so why dont we see the flying double stomps?[/quote]
No kicks or knees to the head of a grounded opponent. You can kick someone in the chest (or stomp them) while they are on the ground. Oh and attacks to the spine and throat are also illegal.[/quote]
No, stomps anywhere on the body are illegal. What Kongo did was an axe kick, which can be done to body. Completely different from a stomp.[/quote]
What about foot stomps? I see those fairly often, and no one is ever called out for them.
[quote comment=”145981″]
He has truly become a one trick pony, he doesn’t even use his hands. I think he just gassed, people will mention broken ribs (yes I realise it’s extremely painful), but Randy fractured his arm and won, Franklin broke his hand against Loiseau and won.
[/quote]
thing is, broken arms and broken hands dont affect cardio. broken ribs do.
still, i dont see how kongo could not finish crocop after the broken ribs and nut shots.
Well that explains it. Great news! ..in a weird way. Cro Cop to 205!
[quote post=”3284″]people will mention broken ribs (yes I realise it’s extremely painful), but Randy fractured his arm and won, Franklin broke his hand against Loiseau and won[/quote]
Do yourself a favor & Google the adverse effects that a broken rib has on the human body.
Cro Cop could have fought at his best & still lost. The broken rib is not being used as an excuse as to why he lost but rather to explain Cro Cop was not fighting at his best.
[quote comment=”146080″]Well that explains it. Great news! ..in a weird way. Cro Cop to 205![/quote]
i support that too, maybe a fight with lidell is eminent and ‘the cunt’ too should drop down to middleweight
[quote comment=”145885″]That was a hard knee to the balls, I think every man felt that one.
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Yeah I know I did, Mirko had broken ribs and smashed testes in the 1st round.
The funniest part to me is when Joe Rogan said something to the effect of “Mirko is a tough guy, one knee to the balls and he wont complain but two and even he feels it”, even though I usually agree with Rogan all I was thinking is when it comes to being knee’ed in your balls there is no such thing as a tough guy, lol!!!
If Big Nog losses then it seems like the only fighter left to set the record straight about Pride heavy weights will be Fedor.
Anyone who is questioning Cro Cop’s integrity should get their head examined. If he said his rib was broken in the 1st round, then it was broken in the 1st round. He is not a liar or a cry baby.
If you remember the Rampage vs. Shogun fight from PRIDE, you saw how Rampage’s broken rib took him out of action very quickly. After Rua broke Jackson’s rib, Jackson was basically finished even though he tried to keep fighting.
And It is silly to compare a broken rib to Couture’s broken left ulna bone. Randy didn’t even know that bone was broken. By contrast, a broken rib feels broken as soon as it happens, and exacerbated with every subsequent hit or rib-crunching movement of the body.
Yes, Kongo still won. That’s how it goes in MMA. But to suggest that Cro Cop is either lying or a cry baby is absurd. I think it would be a mistake for the UFC to let Cro Cop go, and frankly I think they could do well with some kind of “come back” story for him. As others have suggested, perhaps dropping to 205 (a mere 15 lbs) would be just the ticket to get him back on the winning track.
[quote comment=”145899″][quote comment=”145898″]I would like to add that Mirko hasn’t looked like the killer of old, but I think it’s too early to dismiss such an awesome force in MMA. He’s a monster and I think that in his next 3/4 fights on his contract (before he retires back to Croatia) he will be ferocious.[/quote]
I certainly hope so, I wonder if his next fight will even be main card.[/quote]
He was talking about this fight being ferocious. He said he was taking his training to a whole new level for this fight. I really don’t know what to say.
The question is, who do you put him up against now?
Hughes recently made a comment that was something to the effect of “you can’t really understand MMA unless you fight yourself”. I generally dislike Hughes, and I thought the comment was rather stupid and elitist at the time. But recently I’ve been sparring more in Muay Thai, and learning some BJJ, and I have to say that the more I experience I get, the more I appreciate these fights and what Hughes was saying.
For instance, I recently experienced taking a shot to the back of the head for the first time. The effects were fundamentally different than a punch to the face - and I suddenly had some appreciation for what happened to St. Pierre. All the armchair critics said St. Pierre was getting soft, had a weak chin etc. when really they just didn’t appreciate that human physiology plus knockout power can result in a loss for anyone at the top levels of this sport. The same is true of Chuck’s recent loss, and likely both of Cro Cop’s recent losses. It looks to me like Cro Cop wanted to start out cautious and build momentum in this fight - but his early rib injury put him in survival mode for the rest of the fight.
I think as fans we have to come to grips with the fact that our favorite fighters are going to lose, and some will even go through losing streaks. I suggest that we judge fighters based on long term performance and not on single losses or even losing streaks if they’ve already established their talent - as Cro Cop clearly has.
This explains alot. I’d like to see Cro train in the USA with some of the well known camps. In addition, train with UFC caliber fighters for his next fight(s). He’s down but not out. Still a favorite and one of the best.
GG and Kongo beat CC because they didn’t run from him like most guys have. Not to mention they are huge guys who hit hard enough to break bones. When GG and Kongo tear up all but the very best people might realize that it’s not that CC lost anything it’s just that these two guys can match CC in skill and they are alot bigger and stronger.
I feel bad for CroCop,I really thought he was going to roll through Kongo.Maybe he would have if he didn’t break his rib.
[quote comment=”145923″]wake up guys, Mirko has never been that special, He was dominant in Pride because pride Heavyweight division sucked, Big Nog looked terrible in his first appereance against the worst HW ever and will probably lose his next fight as well..
Not to talk about Fedor who is afraid to fight Tim Sylvia, that says it all..[/quote]
You’re on some other planet guy. Pride’s heavyweight division was top notch.
Crocop was world class in 2005 but he’s pretty much finished now. He just doesn’t seem to have it anymore. I like the guy but I’m not going to make excuses for him.
Cro Cop definalty looked different in the second and third rounds. I guess this explains it. I wonder where he’ll go from here.
kongo looked impressive! Cro Cop didn’t look bad at first but as the fight went on you could tell something was wrong with him. Cro Cop needs to take a nice long break and train in the cage alot. If he does this i have no doubt he could come back and make a hell of an impact. He is a small heavyweight maybe he should drop down to 205. He would fit in better with rampage and company. Cro Cop is still the man even after two losses in a row. Anyone who thinks he should hang it up is fuckin stupid and not really a fan of mma. Kongo better work that ground game cause if he fights someone like Antonio he is fucked. Plus Fedor is comin soon, the heavyweight division in about to get turned upside down. Thats the real deal
This cro-cop clown has lost me. What the hell happened to this monster? He used to be scary and dominant and now he’s already a bore to watch. And referring to his excuses of the Gonzaga fight, he says he had no experience with the cage or elbows, I don’t buy it. He just wasn’t ready for the powerful contenders.
[quote post=”3284″]Hughes recently made a comment that was something to the effect of “you can’t really understand MMA unless you fight yourself”. I generally dislike Hughes, and I thought the comment was rather stupid and elitist at the time. But recently I’ve been sparring more in Muay Thai, and learning some BJJ, and I have to say that the more I experience I get, the more I appreciate these fights and what Hughes was saying.
For instance, I recently experienced taking a shot to the back of the head for the first time. The effects were fundamentally different than a punch to the face - and I suddenly had some appreciation for what happened to St. Pierre. All the armchair critics said St. Pierre was getting soft, had a weak chin etc. when really they just didn’t appreciate that human physiology plus knockout power can result in a loss for anyone at the top levels of this sport. The same is true of Chuck’s recent loss, and likely both of Cro Cop’s recent losses. It looks to me like Cro Cop wanted to start out cautious and build momentum in this fight - but his early rib injury put him in survival mode for the rest of the fight.
I think as fans we have to come to grips with the fact that our favorite fighters are going to lose, and some will even go through losing streaks. I suggest that we judge fighters based on long term performance and not on single losses or even losing streaks if they’ve already established their talent - as Cro Cop clearly has. [/quote]
Is this THE Brock Lesnar cuz if it is let me know man. I got some questions to ask.
Fedor is scared of Randy. He wants to sambo dance.
he looks to be still struggling with his footwork inside the confines of the cage, how do the dimensions of the octagon compare with a ring?
“Is this THE Brock Lesnar cuz if it is let me know man. I got some questions to ask.”
Nope, sorry - not even a Lesnar fan. I’m not a real fighter, just a normal joe who does enough training to know what some of it feels like.
“he looks to be still struggling with his footwork inside the confines of the cage, how do the dimensions of the octagon compare with a ring?”
If I’m not mistaken, the octagon is substantially larger than the PRIDE ring.
BROCK LESNAR IS A ROIDER AND LOVES TO EAT SAUSAGES.
[quote post=”3284″]he looks to be still struggling with his footwork inside the confines of the cage, how do the dimensions of the octagon compare with a ring? [/quote]
The octagon is bigger, it is 32 feet across.
I hope this shows Andrei Arlovski’s worth to the UFC. Dana wanted to play with his shiny new toy like a little kid and forgot about his old favorite toy. Even Rogan was dissing Arlovski during his fight with Werdum, talking about how great a striker Cro Cop is. They figured they no longer needed Arlovski with Cro Cop in town. AA has won his last 2 fights. While CC has lost, and looked horrible doing it. Time to remember where your bread is buttered Dana, Cro Cop has failed.
I’ll admit, Kongo is a beast, but c’mon man learn to control your legs. That kick to nuts is still making ME hurt one day later. The whole crowd was in shock when GSP “barely” hit precious Matt Hughes nuts, and even though all I heard was that it was the reason Hughes lost.
So that logic doesn’t work here? No, Kongo hurt Cro Cop ribs, then powdered him in the fruit basket and that messed him up. Once again, Kongo is a beast, but that nut hit should have caused a draw. I like to know how to fight would have been different if the nut hit didnt happen.
And I doubt Fedor is afraid of that fat chucklehead Tim Sylvia, he may be afraid of Sylvia’s barber, but not Sylvia.
This is probably the only guy who could debut in the UFC, lose his first 2 matches, and still be a pretty big contender. I’m sure he hasn’t had as many fights with more high caliber MM Artists as many UFC fighters, but neither has Kongo. I’d say CroCop has actually had tougher competitors overall than Kongo, and has down well. I think it’s just a case of bad luck for the guy right now. I’ll still look forward to his next fight.
“done,” not down. Sorry.
[quote comment=”145882″]CroCop is looking like Babalu did after he lost to Lampert. He REALLY needs a win now. I dont think anyone expected him to suck so bad in the UFC.[/quote]
I agree i dont if he is sucking or Kongo is just a bad ass! But i would love to see the 2006 CC then the present CC. Lets see CC VS AA Maybe one of them will give us some excitment
[quote comment=”145890″]Hey, could you guys clear something up for me?
I was under the impression you couldnt kick an opponent in the UFC when they were laying, yet Kongo did a huge stomp to the chest.
Are stomps ok but soccer kicks not? And if so why dont we see the flying double stomps?[/quote
Axe kicks are allowed, you have to land the kick with the back of your heel. It looks like a stomp and sometimes results in one which is illegal.
Rob M 1213
[quote comment=”146118″]Hughes recently made a comment that was something to the effect of “you can’t really understand MMA unless you fight yourself”. I generally dislike Hughes, and I thought the comment was rather stupid and elitist at the time. But recently I’ve been sparring more in Muay Thai, and learning some BJJ, and I have to say that the more I experience I get, the more I appreciate these fights and what Hughes was saying.
For instance, I recently experienced taking a shot to the back of the head for the first time. The effects were fundamentally different than a punch to the face - and I suddenly had some appreciation for what happened to St. Pierre. All the armchair critics said St. Pierre was getting soft, had a weak chin etc. when really they just didn’t appreciate that human physiology plus knockout power can result in a loss for anyone at the top levels of this sport. The same is true of Chuck’s recent loss, and likely both of Cro Cop’s recent losses. It looks to me like Cro Cop wanted to start out cautious and build momentum in this fight - but his early rib injury put him in survival mode for the rest of the fight.
I think as fans we have to come to grips with the fact that our favorite fighters are going to lose, and some will even go through losing streaks. I suggest that we judge fighters based on long term performance and not on single losses or even losing streaks if they’ve already established their talent - as Cro Cop clearly has.[/quote]
You make good points, most people want to critique these fighters when they have no idea what being a fighter is about. I haven’t stepped into a cgae but I do train BJJ and Muay Thai and I find it remarkable that even the best fighters manage to stay undefeated for long periods when it is so easy to get hurt.
Give Cro Cop another tough test maybe the winner or loser of the Vera/Sylvia match. If he losses then three losses is pretty much a death sentence in the UFC whoever you are, four losses and its goodbye.
[quote comment=”145999″]ok, bigdiesel, you go ahead and do it.
In addition to the groin shots and the broken ribs, Crocop needs to work on the mental part of his game. He had it right during the PRIDE OWGP, but has lost it since. For the sake of MMA fans, I hope he will regain it.
Kongo wasn’t even that good.
[quote comment=”145915″]fair excuse for the loss - BUT, too many people underestimated Kongo, He is a world class kick boxer = bad match up for crocop. Hope next time he actually does come back with the fire. wanna c him fight -vera, AA, Sylvia and couture yet - also id like to see him fight Werdum just to show people how good of a job Arlovski did against him (even though alot of people say he was crap against werdum - which is pure crap!)[/quote]
Oh, please. Crocop came from K-1 where he fought the best kickboxers… Ever heard of Bonjasky, Aerts, Hoost (granted he lost to Hoost, but fought like a champ)? Kongo? Please.
Crocop/Werdum is an unlikely and unnecessary matchup, and yes Arlovski was a steaming pile of crap against Werdum. Not that Werdum did much in that fight either, but Arlovski is a bigger disappointment with each fight.[/quote]
you obviously didnt do you research on Kongo before he came to the UFC, he’s the best kickboxer out there - theres no better way to prove it than beat CroCop.
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Cro Cop is still the man even after two losses in a row. Anyone who thinks he should hang it up is fuckin stupid and not really a fan of mma.
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Great logic there. I’m not really that stupid and if I’m posting on this board- I’m pretty much a fan of MMA.
Didn’t Crocop sign a four fight contract when he came to the UFC? So this next fight is the last contractually and he stated at the time he would probably retire after his contract is up. Even if he wins his last fight and decides to re-up, he’s failed to impress anyone lately. I doubt he would agree to fight for 10-25K per fight. He’s definitely finished after this last fight.
Cro cop needs to drop to 205! He could be a champ there. the gap between heavyweights is too great now with that giants are training with camps like Coutures’ and big bear etc. There is no shame in droping to a weight class more suited to your natuarl physique
[quote comment=”145981″]I don’t mean to jump the gun here but it’s my opinion that Mirko is finished. His skill set is small and he’s lost a lot of his kickboxing ability and when Remi Bonjasky said he had lost a lot of his skill I was surprised; not anymore.
He has truly become a one trick pony, he doesn’t even use his hands. I think he just gassed, people will mention broken ribs (yes I realise it’s extremely painful), but Randy fractured his arm and won, Franklin broke his hand against Loiseau and won.
His day is over. 350,000 dollars a fight for this guy is laughable, I’m sure Kongo earned only about a quarter of that.
He just doesn’t have it anymore, as a Cro Cop fan that’s sad but ultimately I feel it will prove to be the case. He will see out his contract and then retire.
Unfortunately he’ll been seen as a once great kickboxer with some success in mma. But here are the facts; Hoost had his number in K-1, Fedor had his number in Pride and by the time he came to the UFC he had dropped the ball and become a washed up fighter who’s heart was no longer in it.
Kongo is not that good btw…I think of 10 fighters that WOULD beat him not COULD.[/quote]
Fighting with a broken hand is much different than fighting with a broken rib. Having experienced both in kickboxing. A wrapped broken hand freezes up after 5 minutes or so. you favor it for a round and a half and then you can start to throw it again. It is not until they take all the tape off that you really feel it. Broken ribs on the other hand, effect your breathing(hence Mirko breathing out of his mouth), effect you ability to punch and kick (because of the torque that is supposed be generated from the body when throwing power punches and kicks), and effects your defense because you have to keep an hand low at all times so you do not get in it again. Broken ribs are felt from the fron to the back and from the lower part of your torso to the upper part of your chest. It is a big deal and slows you down immediatly.
ALL FIGHT FANS LISTEN UP!!! I PROPOSE A FIGHT NIGHT LIVE ON TV FROM DANA WHITE, TO APPOLOGIZE FOR SATURDAY, DANA OWES US ANSWERS..WE AS DEDICATED FANS OF THE SPORT NEED TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED??…….SO WE NEED TO DEMAND NOT ONLY AN ANSWER, BUT THAT DANA GIVE US A FREE TV FIGHTCARD!!! BISPING VS HAMILL REMATCH….ORTIZ VS EVANS REMATCH…..AND DIAZ VS GAMBURYAN REMATCH.. SPREAD THE WORD….. GET IT AROUND AND HOPE DANA RESPONDS,,,I DONT WANT TO SEE THE UFC TAKE THE SAME TURN AS BOXING!!! ADMIT WHAT HAPPEND WAS WRONG AND GIVE US THE REMATCH FREE!! ASAP.. AND IT WOULDENT BE SHABBY IF YOU THROW TITO,RASHAD.,,MANNY,NATE, TO FILL OUT THE CARD AND CLEAR THEIR BUISNESS UP!
IF WE DONT GET THE FIGHT>>HOPE WE CAN GET ANSWERS..SPREAD THE WORD!! {if you dont know what im talkin bout’ it was the bisping decision},..SPREAD THE WORD.MAKE IT HAPPEN!!!!!!
[quote comment=”146153″]This cro-cop clown has lost me. What the hell happened to this monster? He used to be scary and dominant and now he’s already a bore to watch. And referring to his excuses of the Gonzaga fight, he says he had no experience with the cage or elbows, I don’t buy it. He just wasn’t ready for the powerful contenders.[/quote]
The dimmensions of the cage and the effects of elbows are a huge difference. Remember in the pride ring if you got in the ropes the broke you apart, seetled you in the middle of the ring and you kept going. In the octagon it is a completely different skil set. You have to learn to use your feet to walk up the cage to get your back away from it. You have to learn how to use it to stand up and then you have to defend a top position from a guy who knows how to use the cage from the bottom to escape. Then there is the whole working the cage while you are standing up. In a ring yo cut off angles to get your opponent in to the corner, well that does no happen in a cage. so youloose that. Then your take down defense against the cage is different. While mainting underhooks or overooks you have to be ableto defend the dirty boxing. Those shapr crips body/head shots and elbows that score lots of points and break down the body in general. Cro Cops whole fighting career has excluded this practice because he was always in a ring. So to say it is an excuse it is crazy. People train their whole mma careers in just using the cage as an advantage(IE…Miletich fighting systems), so say that someone like Cro Cop, who has never fought in the cage, is not a disadvantage, and it is just a poor excuse is not understanding the game all together. This goes for the elbows as well. It is one thing to eat a few jabs or even some power punches from your back, but you can not eat that many elbows. Elbows do so much more damage than a fist. They hurt and burn so much more than a punch imo anyway. When you are down on your back and not used to training on defending elbows(because Pride doesn’t or did’t allow them) and now you have to worry about them is difficult. It is like adding extra appendages to a fighter on the ground. Yeah you can get wrist control and avoid the punches but if you can power the arm across the face of an opponent you can still land short glancing elbows while in wrist control. Figthing is based on instinct. You develop and hone in on those instincts through training and repetition. So when you are in the cage, the ring, or on the street or whatever stage it may be after getting a hit a few times you fall back on your instincts as a fighter. You may have a game plan going in to the fight but that seldom is effective 100% of the time, then instincts kick over. So Cro Cop, who has never ever had to train for either the cage or defending elbows after maybe twenty someodd years, now suddenly has to worry about and train for them and be excepted to be on the same level that someone who is proffiecent in these techniques, leaves a huge whole in their game.
[quote comment=”146412″]ALL FIGHT FANS LISTEN UP!!! I PROPOSE A FIGHT NIGHT LIVE ON TV FROM DANA WHITE, TO APPOLOGIZE FOR SATURDAY, DANA OWES US ANSWERS..WE AS DEDICATED FANS OF THE SPORT NEED TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED??…….SO WE NEED TO DEMAND NOT ONLY AN ANSWER, BUT THAT DANA GIVE US A FREE TV FIGHTCARD!!! BISPING VS HAMILL REMATCH….ORTIZ VS EVANS REMATCH…..AND DIAZ VS GAMBURYAN REMATCH..
SPREAD THE WORD….. GET IT AROUND AND HOPE DANA RESPONDS,,,I DONT WANT TO SEE THE UFC TAKE THE SAME TURN AS BOXING!!! ADMIT WHAT HAPPEND WAS WRONG AND GIVE US THE REMATCH FREE!! ASAP.. AND IT WOULDENT BE SHABBY IF YOU THROW TITO,RASHAD.,,MANNY,NATE, TO FILL OUT THE CARD AND CLEAR THEIR BUISNESS UP!
IF WE DONT GET THE FIGHT>>HOPE WE CAN GET ANSWERS..SPREAD THE WORD!! {if you dont know what im talkin bout’ it was the bisping decision},..SPREAD THE WORD.MAKE IT HAPPEN!!!!!![/quote]
Here’s the thing brainchild, DANA DOESNT JUDGE FIGHTS. Boxing judges are used to judge most MMA fights. Very VERY rarely are judges in well versed in MMA. Dont point fingers at Dana or the UFC when it was the judges and possibly their sanctioning board. But knowing Dana, I a really good bet he is gonna line this fight up again down the road if BISPING doesnt cry like a girl like he did before this one.
Crocop just doesnt have what it takes to beat the TALLER strikers in the MMA game. Gonzanga = 6′4″, Chieck = 6′5″. Nothing his tyranasaurus arms and leg kicks can do when he cant reach. Ashame too, I was expecting domination.
CRO COP… DROP TO LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT!!!!
[quote comment=”145923″]wake up guys, Mirko has never been that special, He was dominant in Pride because pride Heavyweight division sucked, Big Nog looked terrible in his first appereance against the worst HW ever and will probably lose his next fight as well..
Not to talk about Fedor who is afraid to fight Tim Sylvia, that says it all..[/quote]
Do you actually have a source for the Fedor comment? I heard someone else say this as well.
It sounds to me more like that Fedor wouldn’t want to ruin his rep by being forced to fight such a downgrade in competition. Fedor is substantially better than Sylvia in every aspect of MMA from my perspective.
[quote comment=”146478″][quote comment=”145923″]wake up guys, Mirko has never been that special, He was dominant in Pride because pride Heavyweight division sucked, Big Nog looked terrible in his first appereance against the worst HW ever and will probably lose his next fight as well..
Not to talk about Fedor who is afraid to fight Tim Sylvia, that says it all..[/quote]
Do you actually have a source for the Fedor comment? I heard someone else say this as well.
It sounds to me more like that Fedor wouldn’t want to ruin his rep by being forced to fight such a downgrade in competition. Fedor is substantially better than Sylvia in every aspect of MMA from my perspective.[/quote]
He says this in the post before this one on cro cop, here at ufc mania
Luppers, last I checked, gonzaga is 6 1 and kongo is 6 4. Besides, he’s outstruck people 6 6 (fedor’s bro) and 6 5 (sapp), and I’ve seen him head kick a 6 10 guy in K1, forget his name or whether he won or not. Height isn’t a big issue for cro cop, he’s got flexible legs and he’s a dominant striker. I think he’d be more effective with combinations, see rampage for example. Cro cop charges with his cross cocked and fires it once he catches up to his opponent and back away. He’d be more effective with combos IMO.
[quote comment=”146418″][quote comment=”146153″]This cro-cop clown has lost me. What the hell happened to this monster? He used to be scary and dominant and now he’s already a bore to watch. And referring to his excuses of the Gonzaga fight, he says he had no experience with the cage or elbows, I don’t buy it. He just wasn’t ready for the powerful contenders.[/quote]
The dimmensions of the cage and the effects of elbows are a huge difference. Remember in the pride ring if you got in the ropes the broke you apart, seetled you in the middle of the ring and you kept going. In the octagon it is a completely different skil set. You have to learn to use your feet to walk up the cage to get your back away from it. You have to learn how to use it to stand up and then you have to defend a top position from a guy who knows how to use the cage from the bottom to escape. Then there is the whole working the cage while you are standing up. In a ring yo cut off angles to get your opponent in to the corner, well that does no happen in a cage. so youloose that. Then your take down defense against the cage is different. While mainting underhooks or overooks you have to be ableto defend the dirty boxing. Those shapr crips body/head shots and elbows that score lots of points and break down the body in general. Cro Cops whole fighting career has excluded this practice because he was always in a ring. So to say it is an excuse it is crazy. People train their whole mma careers in just using the cage as an advantage(IE…Miletich fighting systems), so say that someone like Cro Cop, who has never fought in the cage, is not a disadvantage, and it is just a poor excuse is not understanding the game all together. This goes for the elbows as well. It is one thing to eat a few jabs or even some power punches from your back, but you can not eat that many elbows. Elbows do so much more damage than a fist. They hurt and burn so much more than a punch imo anyway. When you are down on your back and not used to training on defending elbows(because Pride doesn’t or did’t allow them) and now you have to worry about them is difficult. It is like adding extra appendages to a fighter on the ground. Yeah you can get wrist control and avoid the punches but if you can power the arm across the face of an opponent you can still land short glancing elbows while in wrist control. Figthing is based on instinct. You develop and hone in on those instincts through training and repetition. So when you are in the cage, the ring, or on the street or wha