“CroCop lost his second fight in a row by unanimous decision. Mirko said that he had suffered a broken rib in the first round and that was one of the biggest reasons he was passive in other two rounds.”
– CroCop.tk reports that Mirko “Cro Cop” Filipovic suffered a broken rib in the first round of his heavyweight fight with Cheick Kongo at UFC 75: “Champion vs. Champion.” It was the only round of three that the Croatian — and heavy favorite — won on the judges scorecards. Kongo was very effective with hard kicks to the body (and knees to the nuts) throughout the fight.
September 9th, 2007
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number one!
that fight was frustrating to watch.
That would explain alot. Not that it excuses Cro cop from losing. If someone breaks your rib during a fight, that’s something they did to you and something you’re trying to prevent them from doing and do to them. I don’t know what to think about cro cop now. I do think he was winning that first round and the second and third were very hard to watch.
Come on Crocop. Get your tail in gear! I Want to see the OWG 2006 Crocop in the UFC.
CroCop is looking like Babalu did after he lost to Lampert. He REALLY needs a win now. I dont think anyone expected him to suck so bad in the UFC.
That was a hard knee to the balls, I think every man felt that one.
I know no fighter wants to win this way, but if Cro-Cop decided he could not continue because of that illegal hit, he could have won via disqualification (correct me if Im wrong). I’m glad he didn’t take the easy way out, it shows what kind of man he is. Mirko “Balls of Steel” Cro-Cop Flipovic!
Hey, could you guys clear something up for me?
I was under the impression you couldnt kick an opponent in the UFC when they were laying, yet Kongo did a huge stomp to the chest.
Are stomps ok but soccer kicks not? And if so why dont we see the flying double stomps?
[quote post=”3284″]Hey, could you guys clear something up for me?
I was under the impression you couldnt kick an opponent in the UFC when they were laying, yet Kongo did a huge stomp to the chest.
Are stomps ok but soccer kicks not? And if so why dont we see the flying double stomps? [/quote]
There are no head kicks allowed to a downed opponent.
[quote comment=”145890″]Hey, could you guys clear something up for me?
I was under the impression you couldnt kick an opponent in the UFC when they were laying, yet Kongo did a huge stomp to the chest.
Are stomps ok but soccer kicks not? And if so why dont we see the flying double stomps?[/quote]
No kicks or knees to the head of a grounded opponent. You can kick someone in the chest (or stomp them) while they are on the ground. Oh and attacks to the spine and throat are also illegal.
[quote comment=”145890″]Hey, could you guys clear something up for me?
I was under the impression you couldnt kick an opponent in the UFC when they were laying, yet Kongo did a huge stomp to the chest.
Are stomps ok but soccer kicks not? And if so why dont we see the flying double stomps?[/quote]
I am pretty sure that stomps to the ‘body’ are allowed in the UFC. Though I was suprised to see Big John repremand Alex Karalexis for doing the same thing in the WEC, so they must have different rules.
But I think the rib break explains a lot for me at least, especially since he was stalking Kongo that first round, and his ground work was impressive also. This isn’t the first time that CroCop has lost a decision to another striker. And since he didn’t get knocked out this time, I’d say it is a decent performance recovering so soon from his KO from Gonzaga.
I would like to add that Mirko hasn’t looked like the killer of old, but I think it’s too early to dismiss such an awesome force in MMA. He’s a monster and I think that in his next 3/4 fights on his contract (before he retires back to Croatia) he will be ferocious.
[quote comment=”145898″]I would like to add that Mirko hasn’t looked like the killer of old, but I think it’s too early to dismiss such an awesome force in MMA. He’s a monster and I think that in his next 3/4 fights on his contract (before he retires back to Croatia) he will be ferocious.[/quote]
I certainly hope so, I wonder if his next fight will even be main card.
[quote comment=”145899″][quote comment=”145898″]I would like to add that Mirko hasn’t looked like the killer of old, but I think it’s too early to dismiss such an awesome force in MMA. He’s a monster and I think that in his next 3/4 fights on his contract (before he retires back to Croatia) he will be ferocious.[/quote]
I certainly hope so, I wonder if his next fight will even be main card.[/quote]
One can only hope. I’m a grappler, freestyle wrestler so generally I lean more towards favoring grapplers, but I’ve always loved that explosive work from Mirko. Any body who can throw oak tree legs with that speed and power is a dangerous human being. And I would love nothing more than to see one more amazing showing from the Croation Highligh Reel.
[quote comment=”145890″]Hey, could you guys clear something up for me?
I was under the impression you couldnt kick an opponent in the UFC when they were laying, yet Kongo did a huge stomp to the chest.
Are stomps ok but soccer kicks not? And if so why dont we see the flying double stomps?[/quote]
what you saw was an axe kick in the 2nd round. it is legal
Broken ribs and knees to the balls really take the wind out of your sails i guess. Mirko was stalking Kongo in round one then for some reason was backpedaling rounds 2 and 3. I was really confused and thought it was bizzare.. maybe this explains some
fair excuse for the loss - BUT, too many people underestimated Kongo, He is a world class kick boxer = bad match up for crocop. Hope next time he actually does come back with the fire. wanna c him fight -vera, AA, Sylvia and couture yet - also id like to see him fight Werdum just to show people how good of a job Arlovski did against him (even though alot of people say he was crap against werdum - which is pure crap!)
wake up guys, Mirko has never been that special, He was dominant in Pride because pride Heavyweight division sucked, Big Nog looked terrible in his first appereance against the worst HW ever and will probably lose his next fight as well..
Not to talk about Fedor who is afraid to fight Tim Sylvia, that says it all..
[quote comment=”145923″]wake up guys, Mirko has never been that special, He was dominant in Pride because pride Heavyweight division sucked, Big Nog looked terrible in his first appereance against the worst HW ever and will probably lose his next fight as well..
Not to talk about Fedor who is afraid to fight Tim Sylvia, that says it all..[/quote]
That’s a lot of bad things to say about a great fighter. I think to be fair, Mirko has had some pretty impressive victories. Sure his last few fights have been less than impressive, but his career has been more than enough to solidify a spot in the upper echelon of MMA on the whole.
[quote post=”3284″]wake up guys, Mirko has never been that special, He was dominant in Pride because pride Heavyweight division sucked, Big Nog looked terrible in his first appereance against the worst HW ever and will probably lose his next fight as well..
Not to talk about Fedor who is afraid to fight Tim Sylvia, that says it all..[/quote]
why you say Fedor scared of the gump Sylvia?
[quote comment=”145929″][quote comment=”145923″]wake up guys, Mirko has never been that special, He was dominant in Pride because pride Heavyweight division sucked, Big Nog looked terrible in his first appereance against the worst HW ever and will probably lose his next fight as well..
Not to talk about Fedor who is afraid to fight Tim Sylvia, that says it all..[/quote]
That’s a lot of bad things to say about a great fighter. I think to be fair, Mirko has had some pretty impressive victories. Sure his last few fights have been less than impressive, but his career has been more than enough to solidify a spot in the upper echelon of MMA on the whole.[/quote]
of course - he will go down in history as one of the toughest guys in the world - if not, he bloody well should
I knew he had to have been hurt. I thought he hurt his left hand because he threw like one defensive jab in the 3rd round. Hopefully this means we’ll see the old Cro Cop next fight. I was quite disappointed…This was one of the fights I was really looking forward to.
oh and here we go with the excuses. Why cant people just admit that Kongo was the better fighter this time instead of looking for reasons why Crocop didnt win.
Who is Mirko going to be fighting next? Heath Herring? he’s dropping out of contention faster than Frank Trigg did.
[quote comment=”145892″][quote comment=”145890″]Hey, could you guys clear something up for me?
I was under the impression you couldnt kick an opponent in the UFC when they were laying, yet Kongo did a huge stomp to the chest.
Are stomps ok but soccer kicks not? And if so why dont we see the flying double stomps?[/quote]
No kicks or knees to the head of a grounded opponent. You can kick someone in the chest (or stomp them) while they are on the ground. Oh and attacks to the spine and throat are also illegal.[/quote]
No, stomps anywhere on the body are illegal. What Kongo did was an axe kick, which can be done to body. Completely different from a stomp.
Hey Mania, BTW, what happened to Any Given Saturday for UFC 75? Did they not do one?
I don’t mean to jump the gun here but it’s my opinion that Mirko is finished. His skill set is small and he’s lost a lot of his kickboxing ability and when Remi Bonjasky said he had lost a lot of his skill I was surprised; not anymore.
He has truly become a one trick pony, he doesn’t even use his hands. I think he just gassed, people will mention broken ribs (yes I realise it’s extremely painful), but Randy fractured his arm and won, Franklin broke his hand against Loiseau and won.
His day is over. 350,000 dollars a fight for this guy is laughable, I’m sure Kongo earned only about a quarter of that.
He just doesn’t have it anymore, as a Cro Cop fan that’s sad but ultimately I feel it will prove to be the case. He will see out his contract and then retire.
Unfortunately he’ll been seen as a once great kickboxer with some success in mma. But here are the facts; Hoost had his number in K-1, Fedor had his number in Pride and by the time he came to the UFC he had dropped the ball and become a washed up fighter who’s heart was no longer in it.
Kongo is not that good btw…I think of 10 fighters that WOULD beat him not COULD.
Crocop is done.
All you got to do is press the action in the fight,get Crocop to walk backwards and you can beat him.
ok, bigdiesel, you go ahead and do it.
In addition to the groin shots and the broken ribs, Crocop needs to work on the mental part of his game. He had it right during the PRIDE OWGP, but has lost it since. For the sake of MMA fans, I hope he will regain it.
Kongo wasn’t even that good.
[quote comment=”145915″]fair excuse for the loss - BUT, too many people underestimated Kongo, He is a world class kick boxer = bad match up for crocop. Hope next time he actually does come back with the fire. wanna c him fight -vera, AA, Sylvia and couture yet - also id like to see him fight Werdum just to show people how good of a job Arlovski did against him (even though alot of people say he was crap against werdum - which is pure crap!)[/quote]
Oh, please. Crocop came from K-1 where he fought the best kickboxers… Ever heard of Bonjasky, Aerts, Hoost (granted he lost to Hoost, but fought like a champ)? Kongo? Please.
Crocop/Werdum is an unlikely and unnecessary matchup, and yes Arlovski was a steaming pile of crap against Werdum. Not that Werdum did much in that fight either, but Arlovski is a bigger disappointment with each fight.
its time for cro cop to join a team!
I think that the fight was a lot closer due to kongo’s illegal knees to the groin. He should’ve been penalized which would have made the fight a draw. As for the broken rib who knows. Excuse maybe. I don’t know. Cro cop needs a big win or a sport psychologist. Even a weight cut to 205. Maybe then he’ll come out in true form as the dominant fighter everbody misses
[quote comment=”145973″][quote comment=”145892″][quote comment=”145890″]Hey, could you guys clear something up for me?
I was under the impression you couldnt kick an opponent in the UFC when they were laying, yet Kongo did a huge stomp to the chest.
Are stomps ok but soccer kicks not? And if so why dont we see the flying double stomps?[/quote]
No kicks or knees to the head of a grounded opponent. You can kick someone in the chest (or stomp them) while they are on the ground. Oh and attacks to the spine and throat are also illegal.[/quote]
No, stomps anywhere on the body are illegal. What Kongo did was an axe kick, which can be done to body. Completely different from a stomp.[/quote]
What about foot stomps? I see those fairly often, and no one is ever called out for them.
[quote comment=”145981″]
He has truly become a one trick pony, he doesn’t even use his hands. I think he just gassed, people will mention broken ribs (yes I realise it’s extremely painful), but Randy fractured his arm and won, Franklin broke his hand against Loiseau and won.
[/quote]
thing is, broken arms and broken hands dont affect cardio. broken ribs do.
still, i dont see how kongo could not finish crocop after the broken ribs and nut shots.
Well that explains it. Great news! ..in a weird way. Cro Cop to 205!
[quote post=”3284″]people will mention broken ribs (yes I realise it’s extremely painful), but Randy fractured his arm and won, Franklin broke his hand against Loiseau and won[/quote]
Do yourself a favor & Google the adverse effects that a broken rib has on the human body.
Cro Cop could have fought at his best & still lost. The broken rib is not being used as an excuse as to why he lost but rather to explain Cro Cop was not fighting at his best.
[quote comment=”146080″]Well that explains it. Great news! ..in a weird way. Cro Cop to 205![/quote]
i support that too, maybe a fight with lidell is eminent and ‘the cunt’ too should drop down to middleweight
[quote comment=”145885″]That was a hard knee to the balls, I think every man felt that one.
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Yeah I know I did, Mirko had broken ribs and smashed testes in the 1st round.
The funniest part to me is when Joe Rogan said something to the effect of “Mirko is a tough guy, one knee to the balls and he wont complain but two and even he feels it”, even though I usually agree with Rogan all I was thinking is when it comes to being knee’ed in your balls there is no such thing as a tough guy, lol!!!
If Big Nog losses then it seems like the only fighter left to set the record straight about Pride heavy weights will be Fedor.
Anyone who is questioning Cro Cop’s integrity should get their head examined. If he said his rib was broken in the 1st round, then it was broken in the 1st round. He is not a liar or a cry baby.
If you remember the Rampage vs. Shogun fight from PRIDE, you saw how Rampage’s broken rib took him out of action very quickly. After Rua broke Jackson’s rib, Jackson was basically finished even though he tried to keep fighting.
And It is silly to compare a broken rib to Couture’s broken left ulna bone. Randy didn’t even know that bone was broken. By contrast, a broken rib feels broken as soon as it happens, and exacerbated with every subsequent hit or rib-crunching movement of the body.
Yes, Kongo still won. That’s how it goes in MMA. But to suggest that Cro Cop is either lying or a cry baby is absurd. I think it would be a mistake for the UFC to let Cro Cop go, and frankly I think they could do well with some kind of “come back” story for him. As others have suggested, perhaps dropping to 205 (a mere 15 lbs) would be just the ticket to get him back on the winning track.
[quote comment=”145899″][quote comment=”145898″]I would like to add that Mirko hasn’t looked like the killer of old, but I think it’s too early to dismiss such an awesome force in MMA. He’s a monster and I think that in his next 3/4 fights on his contract (before he retires back to Croatia) he will be ferocious.[/quote]
I certainly hope so, I wonder if his next fight will even be main card.[/quote]
He was talking about this fight being ferocious. He said he was taking his training to a whole new level for this fight. I really don’t know what to say.
The question is, who do you put him up against now?
Hughes recently made a comment that was something to the effect of “you can’t really understand MMA unless you fight yourself”. I generally dislike Hughes, and I thought the comment was rather stupid and elitist at the time. But recently I’ve been sparring more in Muay Thai, and learning some BJJ, and I have to say that the more I experience I get, the more I appreciate these fights and what Hughes was saying.
For instance, I recently experienced taking a shot to the back of the head for the first time. The effects were fundamentally different than a punch to the face - and I suddenly had some appreciation for what happened to St. Pierre. All the armchair critics said St. Pierre was getting soft, had a weak chin etc. when really they just didn’t appreciate that human physiology plus knockout power can result in a loss for anyone at the top levels of this sport. The same is true of Chuck’s recent loss, and likely both of Cro Cop’s recent losses. It looks to me like Cro Cop wanted to start out cautious and build momentum in this fight - but his early rib injury put him in survival mode for the rest of the fight.
I think as fans we have to come to grips with the fact that our favorite fighters are going to lose, and some will even go through losing streaks. I suggest that we judge fighters based on long term performance and not on single losses or even losing streaks if they’ve already established their talent - as Cro Cop clearly has.
This explains alot. I’d like to see Cro train in the USA with some of the well known camps. In addition, train with UFC caliber fighters for his next fight(s). He’s down but not out. Still a favorite and one of the best.
GG and Kongo beat CC because they didn’t run from him like most guys have. Not to mention they are huge guys who hit hard enough to break bones. When GG and Kongo tear up all but the very best people might realize that it’s not that CC lost anything it’s just that these two guys can match CC in skill and they are alot bigger and stronger.
I feel bad for CroCop,I really thought he was going to roll through Kongo.Maybe he would have if he didn’t break his rib.
[quote comment=”145923″]wake up guys, Mirko has never been that special, He was dominant in Pride because pride Heavyweight division sucked, Big Nog looked terrible in his first appereance against the worst HW ever and will probably lose his next fight as well..
Not to talk about Fedor who is afraid to fight Tim Sylvia, that says it all..[/quote]
You’re on some other planet guy. Pride’s heavyweight division was top notch.
Crocop was world class in 2005 but he’s pretty much finished now. He just doesn’t seem to have it anymore. I like the guy but I’m not going to make excuses for him.
Cro Cop definalty looked different in the second and third rounds. I guess this explains it. I wonder where he’ll go from here.
kongo looked impressive! Cro Cop didn’t look bad at first but as the fight went on you could tell something was wrong with him. Cro Cop needs to take a nice long break and train in the cage alot. If he does this i have no doubt he could come back and make a hell of an impact. He is a small heavyweight maybe he should drop down to 205. He would fit in better with rampage and company. Cro Cop is still the man even after two losses in a row. Anyone who thinks he should hang it up is fuckin stupid and not really a fan of mma. Kongo better work that ground game cause if he fights someone like Antonio he is fucked. Plus Fedor is comin soon, the heavyweight division in about to get turned upside down. Thats the real deal
This cro-cop clown has lost me. What the hell happened to this monster? He used to be scary and dominant and now he’s already a bore to watch. And referring to his excuses of the Gonzaga fight, he says he had no experience with the cage or elbows, I don’t buy it. He just wasn’t ready for the powerful contenders.
[quote post=”3284″]Hughes recently made a comment that was something to the effect of “you can’t really understand MMA unless you fight yourself”. I generally dislike Hughes, and I thought the comment was rather stupid and elitist at the time. But recently I’ve been sparring more in Muay Thai, and learning some BJJ, and I have to say that the more I experience I get, the more I appreciate these fights and what Hughes was saying.
For instance, I recently experienced taking a shot to the back of the head for the first time. The effects were fundamentally different than a punch to the face - and I suddenly had some appreciation for what happened to St. Pierre. All the armchair critics said St. Pierre was getting soft, had a weak chin etc. when really they just didn’t appreciate that human physiology plus knockout power can result in a loss for anyone at the top levels of this sport. The same is true of Chuck’s recent loss, and likely both of Cro Cop’s recent losses. It looks to me like Cro Cop wanted to start out cautious and build momentum in this fight - but his early rib injury put him in survival mode for the rest of the fight.
I think as fans we have to come to grips with the fact that our favorite fighters are going to lose, and some will even go through losing streaks. I suggest that we judge fighters based on long term performance and not on single losses or even losing streaks if they’ve already established their talent - as Cro Cop clearly has. [/quote]
Is this THE Brock Lesnar cuz if it is let me know man. I got some questions to ask.
Fedor is scared of Randy. He wants to sambo dance.
he looks to be still struggling with his footwork inside the confines of the cage, how do the dimensions of the octagon compare with a ring?
“Is this THE Brock Lesnar cuz if it is let me know man. I got some questions to ask.”
Nope, sorry - not even a Lesnar fan. I’m not a real fighter, just a normal joe who does enough training to know what some of it feels like.
“he looks to be still struggling with his footwork inside the confines of the cage, how do the dimensions of the octagon compare with a ring?”
If I’m not mistaken, the octagon is substantially larger than the PRIDE ring.
BROCK LESNAR IS A ROIDER AND LOVES TO EAT SAUSAGES.
[quote post=”3284″]he looks to be still struggling with his footwork inside the confines of the cage, how do the dimensions of the octagon compare with a ring? [/quote]
The octagon is bigger, it is 32 feet across.
I hope this shows Andrei Arlovski’s worth to the UFC. Dana wanted to play with his shiny new toy like a little kid and forgot about his old favorite toy. Even Rogan was dissing Arlovski during his fight with Werdum, talking about how great a striker Cro Cop is. They figured they no longer needed Arlovski with Cro Cop in town. AA has won his last 2 fights. While CC has lost, and looked horrible doing it. Time to remember where your bread is buttered Dana, Cro Cop has failed.
I’ll admit, Kongo is a beast, but c’mon man learn to control your legs. That kick to nuts is still making ME hurt one day later. The whole crowd was in shock when GSP “barely” hit precious Matt Hughes nuts, and even though all I heard was that it was the reason Hughes lost.
So that logic doesn’t work here? No, Kongo hurt Cro Cop ribs, then powdered him in the fruit basket and that messed him up. Once again, Kongo is a beast, but that nut hit should have caused a draw. I like to know how to fight would have been different if the nut hit didnt happen.
And I doubt Fedor is afraid of that fat chucklehead Tim Sylvia, he may be afraid of Sylvia’s barber, but not Sylvia.
This is probably the only guy who could debut in the UFC, lose his first 2 matches, and still be a pretty big contender. I’m sure he hasn’t had as many fights with more high caliber MM Artists as many UFC fighters, but neither has Kongo. I’d say CroCop has actually had tougher competitors overall than Kongo, and has down well. I think it’s just a case of bad luck for the guy right now. I’ll still look forward to his next fight.
“done,” not down. Sorry.
[quote comment=”145882″]CroCop is looking like Babalu did after he lost to Lampert. He REALLY needs a win now. I dont think anyone expected him to suck so bad in the UFC.[/quote]
I agree i dont if he is sucking or Kongo is just a bad ass! But i would love to see the 2006 CC then the present CC. Lets see CC VS AA Maybe one of them will give us some excitment
[quote comment=”145890″]Hey, could you guys clear something up for me?
I was under the impression you couldnt kick an opponent in the UFC when they were laying, yet Kongo did a huge stomp to the chest.
Are stomps ok but soccer kicks not? And if so why dont we see the flying double stomps?[/quote
Axe kicks are allowed, you have to land the kick with the back of your heel. It looks like a stomp and sometimes results in one which is illegal.
Rob M 1213
[quote comment=”146118″]Hughes recently made a comment that was something to the effect of “you can’t really understand MMA unless you fight yourself”. I generally dislike Hughes, and I thought the comment was rather stupid and elitist at the time. But recently I’ve been sparring more in Muay Thai, and learning some BJJ, and I have to say that the more I experience I get, the more I appreciate these fights and what Hughes was saying.
For instance, I recently experienced taking a shot to the back of the head for the first time. The effects were fundamentally different than a punch to the face - and I suddenly had some appreciation for what happened to St. Pierre. All the armchair critics said St. Pierre was getting soft, had a weak chin etc. when really they just didn’t appreciate that human physiology plus knockout power can result in a loss for anyone at the top levels of this sport. The same is true of Chuck’s recent loss, and likely both of Cro Cop’s recent losses. It looks to me like Cro Cop wanted to start out cautious and build momentum in this fight - but his early rib injury put him in survival mode for the rest of the fight.
I think as fans we have to come to grips with the fact that our favorite fighters are going to lose, and some will even go through losing streaks. I suggest that we judge fighters based on long term performance and not on single losses or even losing streaks if they’ve already established their talent - as Cro Cop clearly has.[/quote]
You make good points, most people want to critique these fighters when they have no idea what being a fighter is about. I haven’t stepped into a cgae but I do train BJJ and Muay Thai and I find it remarkable that even the best fighters manage to stay undefeated for long periods when it is so easy to get hurt.
Give Cro Cop another tough test maybe the winner or loser of the Vera/Sylvia match. If he losses then three losses is pretty much a death sentence in the UFC whoever you are, four losses and its goodbye.
[quote comment=”145999″]ok, bigdiesel, you go ahead and do it.
In addition to the groin shots and the broken ribs, Crocop needs to work on the mental part of his game. He had it right during the PRIDE OWGP, but has lost it since. For the sake of MMA fans, I hope he will regain it.
Kongo wasn’t even that good.
[quote comment=”145915″]fair excuse for the loss - BUT, too many people underestimated Kongo, He is a world class kick boxer = bad match up for crocop. Hope next time he actually does come back with the fire. wanna c him fight -vera, AA, Sylvia and couture yet - also id like to see him fight Werdum just to show people how good of a job Arlovski did against him (even though alot of people say he was crap against werdum - which is pure crap!)[/quote]
Oh, please. Crocop came from K-1 where he fought the best kickboxers… Ever heard of Bonjasky, Aerts, Hoost (granted he lost to Hoost, but fought like a champ)? Kongo? Please.
Crocop/Werdum is an unlikely and unnecessary matchup, and yes Arlovski was a steaming pile of crap against Werdum. Not that Werdum did much in that fight either, but Arlovski is a bigger disappointment with each fight.[/quote]
you obviously didnt do you research on Kongo before he came to the UFC, he’s the best kickboxer out there - theres no better way to prove it than beat CroCop.
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Cro Cop is still the man even after two losses in a row. Anyone who thinks he should hang it up is fuckin stupid and not really a fan of mma.
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Great logic there. I’m not really that stupid and if I’m posting on this board- I’m pretty much a fan of MMA.
Didn’t Crocop sign a four fight contract when he came to the UFC? So this next fight is the last contractually and he stated at the time he would probably retire after his contract is up. Even if he wins his last fight and decides to re-up, he’s failed to impress anyone lately. I doubt he would agree to fight for 10-25K per fight. He’s definitely finished after this last fight.
Cro cop needs to drop to 205! He could be a champ there. the gap between heavyweights is too great now with that giants are training with camps like Coutures’ and big bear etc. There is no shame in droping to a weight class more suited to your natuarl physique
[quote comment=”145981″]I don’t mean to jump the gun here but it’s my opinion that Mirko is finished. His skill set is small and he’s lost a lot of his kickboxing ability and when Remi Bonjasky said he had lost a lot of his skill I was surprised; not anymore.
He has truly become a one trick pony, he doesn’t even use his hands. I think he just gassed, people will mention broken ribs (yes I realise it’s extremely painful), but Randy fractured his arm and won, Franklin broke his hand against Loiseau and won.
His day is over. 350,000 dollars a fight for this guy is laughable, I’m sure Kongo earned only about a quarter of that.
He just doesn’t have it anymore, as a Cro Cop fan that’s sad but ultimately I feel it will prove to be the case. He will see out his contract and then retire.
Unfortunately he’ll been seen as a once great kickboxer with some success in mma. But here are the facts; Hoost had his number in K-1, Fedor had his number in Pride and by the time he came to the UFC he had dropped the ball and become a washed up fighter who’s heart was no longer in it.
Kongo is not that good btw…I think of 10 fighters that WOULD beat him not COULD.[/quote]
Fighting with a broken hand is much different than fighting with a broken rib. Having experienced both in kickboxing. A wrapped broken hand freezes up after 5 minutes or so. you favor it for a round and a half and then you can start to throw it again. It is not until they take all the tape off that you really feel it. Broken ribs on the other hand, effect your breathing(hence Mirko breathing out of his mouth), effect you ability to punch and kick (because of the torque that is supposed be generated from the body when throwing power punches and kicks), and effects your defense because you have to keep an hand low at all times so you do not get in it again. Broken ribs are felt from the fron to the back and from the lower part of your torso to the upper part of your chest. It is a big deal and slows you down immediatly.
ALL FIGHT FANS LISTEN UP!!! I PROPOSE A FIGHT NIGHT LIVE ON TV FROM DANA WHITE, TO APPOLOGIZE FOR SATURDAY, DANA OWES US ANSWERS..WE AS DEDICATED FANS OF THE SPORT NEED TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED??…….SO WE NEED TO DEMAND NOT ONLY AN ANSWER, BUT THAT DANA GIVE US A FREE TV FIGHTCARD!!! BISPING VS HAMILL REMATCH….ORTIZ VS EVANS REMATCH…..AND DIAZ VS GAMBURYAN REMATCH.. SPREAD THE WORD….. GET IT AROUND AND HOPE DANA RESPONDS,,,I DONT WANT TO SEE THE UFC TAKE THE SAME TURN AS BOXING!!! ADMIT WHAT HAPPEND WAS WRONG AND GIVE US THE REMATCH FREE!! ASAP.. AND IT WOULDENT BE SHABBY IF YOU THROW TITO,RASHAD.,,MANNY,NATE, TO FILL OUT THE CARD AND CLEAR THEIR BUISNESS UP!
IF WE DONT GET THE FIGHT>>HOPE WE CAN GET ANSWERS..SPREAD THE WORD!! {if you dont know what im talkin bout’ it was the bisping decision},..SPREAD THE WORD.MAKE IT HAPPEN!!!!!!
[quote comment=”146153″]This cro-cop clown has lost me. What the hell happened to this monster? He used to be scary and dominant and now he’s already a bore to watch. And referring to his excuses of the Gonzaga fight, he says he had no experience with the cage or elbows, I don’t buy it. He just wasn’t ready for the powerful contenders.[/quote]
The dimmensions of the cage and the effects of elbows are a huge difference. Remember in the pride ring if you got in the ropes the broke you apart, seetled you in the middle of the ring and you kept going. In the octagon it is a completely different skil set. You have to learn to use your feet to walk up the cage to get your back away from it. You have to learn how to use it to stand up and then you have to defend a top position from a guy who knows how to use the cage from the bottom to escape. Then there is the whole working the cage while you are standing up. In a ring yo cut off angles to get your opponent in to the corner, well that does no happen in a cage. so youloose that. Then your take down defense against the cage is different. While mainting underhooks or overooks you have to be ableto defend the dirty boxing. Those shapr crips body/head shots and elbows that score lots of points and break down the body in general. Cro Cops whole fighting career has excluded this practice because he was always in a ring. So to say it is an excuse it is crazy. People train their whole mma careers in just using the cage as an advantage(IE…Miletich fighting systems), so say that someone like Cro Cop, who has never fought in the cage, is not a disadvantage, and it is just a poor excuse is not understanding the game all together. This goes for the elbows as well. It is one thing to eat a few jabs or even some power punches from your back, but you can not eat that many elbows. Elbows do so much more damage than a fist. They hurt and burn so much more than a punch imo anyway. When you are down on your back and not used to training on defending elbows(because Pride doesn’t or did’t allow them) and now you have to worry about them is difficult. It is like adding extra appendages to a fighter on the ground. Yeah you can get wrist control and avoid the punches but if you can power the arm across the face of an opponent you can still land short glancing elbows while in wrist control. Figthing is based on instinct. You develop and hone in on those instincts through training and repetition. So when you are in the cage, the ring, or on the street or whatever stage it may be after getting a hit a few times you fall back on your instincts as a fighter. You may have a game plan going in to the fight but that seldom is effective 100% of the time, then instincts kick over. So Cro Cop, who has never ever had to train for either the cage or defending elbows after maybe twenty someodd years, now suddenly has to worry about and train for them and be excepted to be on the same level that someone who is proffiecent in these techniques, leaves a huge whole in their game.
[quote comment=”146412″]ALL FIGHT FANS LISTEN UP!!! I PROPOSE A FIGHT NIGHT LIVE ON TV FROM DANA WHITE, TO APPOLOGIZE FOR SATURDAY, DANA OWES US ANSWERS..WE AS DEDICATED FANS OF THE SPORT NEED TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED??…….SO WE NEED TO DEMAND NOT ONLY AN ANSWER, BUT THAT DANA GIVE US A FREE TV FIGHTCARD!!! BISPING VS HAMILL REMATCH….ORTIZ VS EVANS REMATCH…..AND DIAZ VS GAMBURYAN REMATCH..
SPREAD THE WORD….. GET IT AROUND AND HOPE DANA RESPONDS,,,I DONT WANT TO SEE THE UFC TAKE THE SAME TURN AS BOXING!!! ADMIT WHAT HAPPEND WAS WRONG AND GIVE US THE REMATCH FREE!! ASAP.. AND IT WOULDENT BE SHABBY IF YOU THROW TITO,RASHAD.,,MANNY,NATE, TO FILL OUT THE CARD AND CLEAR THEIR BUISNESS UP!
IF WE DONT GET THE FIGHT>>HOPE WE CAN GET ANSWERS..SPREAD THE WORD!! {if you dont know what im talkin bout’ it was the bisping decision},..SPREAD THE WORD.MAKE IT HAPPEN!!!!!![/quote]
Here’s the thing brainchild, DANA DOESNT JUDGE FIGHTS. Boxing judges are used to judge most MMA fights. Very VERY rarely are judges in well versed in MMA. Dont point fingers at Dana or the UFC when it was the judges and possibly their sanctioning board. But knowing Dana, I a really good bet he is gonna line this fight up again down the road if BISPING doesnt cry like a girl like he did before this one.
Crocop just doesnt have what it takes to beat the TALLER strikers in the MMA game. Gonzanga = 6′4″, Chieck = 6′5″. Nothing his tyranasaurus arms and leg kicks can do when he cant reach. Ashame too, I was expecting domination.
CRO COP… DROP TO LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT!!!!
[quote comment=”145923″]wake up guys, Mirko has never been that special, He was dominant in Pride because pride Heavyweight division sucked, Big Nog looked terrible in his first appereance against the worst HW ever and will probably lose his next fight as well..
Not to talk about Fedor who is afraid to fight Tim Sylvia, that says it all..[/quote]
Do you actually have a source for the Fedor comment? I heard someone else say this as well.
It sounds to me more like that Fedor wouldn’t want to ruin his rep by being forced to fight such a downgrade in competition. Fedor is substantially better than Sylvia in every aspect of MMA from my perspective.
[quote comment=”146478″][quote comment=”145923″]wake up guys, Mirko has never been that special, He was dominant in Pride because pride Heavyweight division sucked, Big Nog looked terrible in his first appereance against the worst HW ever and will probably lose his next fight as well..
Not to talk about Fedor who is afraid to fight Tim Sylvia, that says it all..[/quote]
Do you actually have a source for the Fedor comment? I heard someone else say this as well.
It sounds to me more like that Fedor wouldn’t want to ruin his rep by being forced to fight such a downgrade in competition. Fedor is substantially better than Sylvia in every aspect of MMA from my perspective.[/quote]
He says this in the post before this one on cro cop, here at ufc mania
Luppers, last I checked, gonzaga is 6 1 and kongo is 6 4. Besides, he’s outstruck people 6 6 (fedor’s bro) and 6 5 (sapp), and I’ve seen him head kick a 6 10 guy in K1, forget his name or whether he won or not. Height isn’t a big issue for cro cop, he’s got flexible legs and he’s a dominant striker. I think he’d be more effective with combinations, see rampage for example. Cro cop charges with his cross cocked and fires it once he catches up to his opponent and back away. He’d be more effective with combos IMO.
[quote comment=”146418″][quote comment=”146153″]This cro-cop clown has lost me. What the hell happened to this monster? He used to be scary and dominant and now he’s already a bore to watch. And referring to his excuses of the Gonzaga fight, he says he had no experience with the cage or elbows, I don’t buy it. He just wasn’t ready for the powerful contenders.[/quote]
The dimmensions of the cage and the effects of elbows are a huge difference. Remember in the pride ring if you got in the ropes the broke you apart, seetled you in the middle of the ring and you kept going. In the octagon it is a completely different skil set. You have to learn to use your feet to walk up the cage to get your back away from it. You have to learn how to use it to stand up and then you have to defend a top position from a guy who knows how to use the cage from the bottom to escape. Then there is the whole working the cage while you are standing up. In a ring yo cut off angles to get your opponent in to the corner, well that does no happen in a cage. so youloose that. Then your take down defense against the cage is different. While mainting underhooks or overooks you have to be ableto defend the dirty boxing. Those shapr crips body/head shots and elbows that score lots of points and break down the body in general. Cro Cops whole fighting career has excluded this practice because he was always in a ring. So to say it is an excuse it is crazy. People train their whole mma careers in just using the cage as an advantage(IE…Miletich fighting systems), so say that someone like Cro Cop, who has never fought in the cage, is not a disadvantage, and it is just a poor excuse is not understanding the game all together. This goes for the elbows as well. It is one thing to eat a few jabs or even some power punches from your back, but you can not eat that many elbows. Elbows do so much more damage than a fist. They hurt and burn so much more than a punch imo anyway. When you are down on your back and not used to training on defending elbows(because Pride doesn’t or did’t allow them) and now you have to worry about them is difficult. It is like adding extra appendages to a fighter on the ground. Yeah you can get wrist control and avoid the punches but if you can power the arm across the face of an opponent you can still land short glancing elbows while in wrist control. Figthing is based on instinct. You develop and hone in on those instincts through training and repetition. So when you are in the cage, the ring, or on the street or whatever stage it may be after getting a hit a few times you fall back on your instincts as a fighter. You may have a game plan going in to the fight but that seldom is effective 100% of the time, then instincts kick over. So Cro Cop, who has never ever had to train for either the cage or defending elbows after maybe twenty someodd years, now suddenly has to worry about and train for them and be excepted to be on the same level that someone who is proffiecent in these techniques, leaves a huge whole in their game.[/quote]
Great Post: I just hope everyone takes their time to read it all the way through. You can tell by many of the reckless comments on this site that most of these posters have never really trained in Martial Arts let alone actually have ever mixed it up for real.
Kongo and Arlovski next.
[quote comment=”146405″][quote comment=”145981″]I don’t mean to jump the gun here but it’s my opinion that Mirko is finished. His skill set is small and he’s lost a lot of his kickboxing ability and when Remi Bonjasky said he had lost a lot of his skill I was surprised; not anymore.
He has truly become a one trick pony, he doesn’t even use his hands. I think he just gassed, people will mention broken ribs (yes I realise it’s extremely painful), but Randy fractured his arm and won, Franklin broke his hand against Loiseau and won.
His day is over. 350,000 dollars a fight for this guy is laughable, I’m sure Kongo earned only about a quarter of that.
He just doesn’t have it anymore, as a Cro Cop fan that’s sad but ultimately I feel it will prove to be the case. He will see out his contract and then retire.
Unfortunately he’ll been seen as a once great kickboxer with some success in mma. But here are the facts; Hoost had his number in K-1, Fedor had his number in Pride and by the time he came to the UFC he had dropped the ball and become a washed up fighter who’s heart was no longer in it.
Kongo is not that good btw…I think of 10 fighters that WOULD beat him not COULD.[/quote]
Fighting with a broken hand is much different than fighting with a broken rib. Having experienced both in kickboxing. A wrapped broken hand freezes up after 5 minutes or so. you favor it for a round and a half and then you can start to throw it again. It is not until they take all the tape off that you really feel it. Broken ribs on the other hand, effect your breathing(hence Mirko breathing out of his mouth), effect you ability to punch and kick (because of the torque that is supposed be generated from the body when throwing power punches and kicks), and effects your defense because you have to keep an hand low at all times so you do not get in it again. Broken ribs are felt from the fron to the back and from the lower part of your torso to the upper part of your chest. It is a big deal and slows you down immediatly.[/quote]
Another Great Post: I’ve broken my hand, arm, foot, had knee surgery, dislocated shoulder, etc… and I have also had badly bruised ribs from a car accident. Guess what folks, aside from the knee surgery, the bruised ribs was more debilitating to me than any of the other injuries I listed so I can just imagine what a broken rib would be like. You cant breathe, you cant move the same at all. Any athletecism, power or agility you may have had prior goes right out the window. Just the fact that its harder to breathe & that it actually hurts to breathe will take alot out of anyone.
[quote post=”3284″]Here’s the thing brainchild, DANA DOESNT JUDGE FIGHTS. Boxing judges are used to judge most MMA fights. Very VERY rarely are judges in well versed in MMA. Dont point fingers at Dana or the UFC when it was the judges and possibly their sanctioning board. But knowing Dana, I a really good bet he is gonna line this fight up again down the road if BISPING doesnt cry like a girl like he did before this one.[/quote]
i never said dana judged the fight it’s not his fault or bispings fault, those judges were smokin crack.{2 of them,1 sober} But it is Dana’s responibility as the president of the ufc to adress the matter,apologize it happened and secure it wont happen agian,…And i think he should compensate us fans with a rematch free on tv…None of that is making him responsible for that shit decision, but he is responsible for addressing the public and admitting there was a mistake made. Do you agree??
Let me get out my violin for some music…Would crop cop like some cheese with that whine???
EXCUSES, EXCUSES, EXCUSES.
Kongo said he had a bad shoulder injury coming into the fight, and he beat the ‘most feared striker in all of mma’. I don’t think Cro Cop can have that monicker anymore…
[quote post=”3284″]fair excuse for the loss [/quote]
There’s no such thing.
Fighters have gotten bones broken, jaws broken, arms ripped out of the socket, and still continued to fight, and WIN.
Some examples:
Joe Stevenson vs Kurt Pellegrino. Joe Daddy broke his jaw during this fight, continued, and WON
Henderson vs Carlos Newton. Henderson had his jaw broke, but continued to fight, and WON
Forrst Griffin vs ??? I don’t remember who it was against, but there is the infamous Forrest fight where he had an arm torn out of his socket, he continued to fight, and KO’d his opponent with his other arm.
Those three fighters have something which is called heart. This is something that Mr. Cro Cop is indeed lacking nowadays.
[quote post=”3284″]His day is over. 350,000 dollars a fight for this guy is laughable, I’m sure Kongo earned only about a quarter of that.[/quote]
A quarter? I’d be surprised if Kongo gets 1/10th of what Cro Cop got. 1/10th would be $35K. I would bet that Kongo didn’t even get that much. If he did, its only because of the winning bonus (double). I would say that Kongo is probably at 20k/20k tops. Probably much less.
Can someone with more free time on their hands look and see how much Kongo got paid for his last fight against Assuerio Silva?
For 350000 he better learn really quick how to use the cage and defend elbows. Hes a full time fighter and has no excuse. I think he got the broken rib from one of the body kicks and not the ax kick.
[quote post=”3284″]”Mirko is a tough guy, one knee to the balls and he wont complain but two and even he feels it”, even though I usually agree with Rogan all I was thinking is when it comes to being knee’ed in your balls there is no such thing as a tough guy, lol!!![/quote]
When Rogan said that No Man can take two shots to the balls, two words came to my mind = Joe Son
If you don’t believe me, watch the old school fight between Keith Hackney and Joe Son. Joe Son has him in a guillatine and Hackney winds up and puches him HARD right square in the dick like 7 times.
Joe Son can take a shot to the nuts like no other!!!!
[quote comment=”146574″]For 350000 he better learn really quick how to use the cage and defend elbows. Hes a full time fighter and has no excuse. I think he got the broken rib from one of the body kicks and not the ax kick.[/quote]
Absolutely. Mirko isnt looking like the slaughtering maniac of old. Guy just does NOT look comfortable in that Octagon at all.
[quote comment=”146568″][quote post=”3284″]fair excuse for the loss [/quote]
There’s no such thing.
Fighters have gotten bones broken, jaws broken, arms ripped out of the socket, and still continued to fight, and WIN.
Some examples:
Joe Stevenson vs Kurt Pellegrino. Joe Daddy broke his jaw during this fight, continued, and WON
Henderson vs Carlos Newton. Henderson had his jaw broke, but continued to fight, and WON
Forrst Griffin vs ??? I don’t remember who it was against, but there is the infamous Forrest fight where he had an arm torn out of his socket, he continued to fight, and KO’d his opponent with his other arm.
Those three fighters have something which is called heart. This is something that Mr. Cro Cop is indeed lacking nowadays.[/quote]
do you actually know what your going on about?! if he doesnt have heart he wouldnt have carried on an extra 2 rounds !!! learn boy, learn
[quote comment=”146568″][quote post=”3284″]fair excuse for the loss [/quote]There’s no such thing.[/quote]Sure isnt…
Did everyone miss where Chieck said he was banged up after the fight (shoulder and something else?) Cheick looked REALLY good after training with Rampage on the ground. This guy could be a hell of a player with the right training staff. Personally I never though much of him, shanging my mind though.
I don’t think Cro Cop threw more than 2 punches!
[quote comment=”145890″]Hey, could you guys clear something up for me?
I was under the impression you couldnt kick an opponent in the UFC when they were laying, yet Kongo did a huge stomp to the chest.
Are stomps ok but soccer kicks not? And if so why dont we see the flying double stomps?[/quote]
Stomps are not allowed. That was an axe kick.
Dana should release Crocop from his contract like he did Babalu…although i’m not sure if he can just for bad performances. i’m guessing being the shrewd business man that he typically is dana would have a release clause for bad performance. maybe cropcop can go back to croatia and fight in the parliament to get some wins
Whats the chuckin ‘ory now with Mirko. Will he be comin back against another big name? Will he fight a new-comer to try allow him to build momentum? I thought he was the most feared striker in UFC? One of the biggest let-downs so far in UFC history in my opnion. Nofing against Gonzaga n Kongo too though. Lookin forward to see Kongo again
Dana has GOT to be pissed about bringing Mirko on for what he payed. Once again CC was beat at his own game (first with a high kick to the head and now with a kick to the body, both signature CC moves). That’s got to be wearing on him. I have a fealing if his next fight isn’t dominating, we may not see much of him again.
I know many of you are going to dislike this but Cro Cop is done. I dont see him winning a title in the UFC
[quote comment=”146576″][quote post=”3284″]”Mirko is a tough guy, one knee to the balls and he wont complain but two and even he feels it”, even though I usually agree with Rogan all I was thinking is when it comes to being knee’ed in your balls there is no such thing as a tough guy, lol!!![/quote]
When Rogan said that No Man can take two shots to the balls, two words came to my mind = Joe Son
If you don’t believe me, watch the old school fight between Keith Hackney and Joe Son. Joe Son has him in a guillatine and Hackney winds up and puches him HARD right square in the dick like 7 times.
Joe Son can take a shot to the nuts like no other!!!![/quote]
Hey VikolentMike: U r going old school on us lol! Awesome figght referrance to the Joe vs. Hackney fight, I know exactly what u r talking about and that was amazing, he either had a ton of heart and a huge threshold for pain, or he had a metal cup on. Either way… Great Post
Hey Mania,
Whats the deal with you not posting my stuff lately. I try not to use foul language and I never make any derogatory remarks, so I don’t understand why u aren’t posting my responses.
[quote comment=”146705″]Hey Mania,
Whats the deal with you not posting my stuff lately. I try not to use foul language and I never make any derogatory remarks, so I don’t understand why u aren’t posting my responses.[/quote]
probably because you talk too much
[quote comment=”145923″]wake up guys, Mirko has never been that special, He was dominant in Pride because pride Heavyweight division sucked, Big Nog looked terrible in his first appereance against the worst HW ever and will probably lose his next fight as well..
Not to talk about Fedor who is afraid to fight Tim Sylvia, that says it all..[/quote]
Mirko has bad performance due to an injury sustained in the fight, it happens.
Kongo does his job, hurts his opponent for the win, grats :)…
People saying Cro cop sucks just dont seem to get it… a broken rib affects every movement you make. all core related activites which would include punches, kicks, knees takedowns, TD defense etc are completely useless if this kind of injury happens and yet people are still saying hes washed up, knowing that he was hurt… unreal. Was it a fiar and square loss? hell yeah but save critiquing his physical and mental state to DOCTORS!!
Sad to see such a great fighter lose twice in a row like this. I tihnk its time for Cro Cop’s revenge like he did in PRIDE, hes goign to go mental next tim ehe steps in the cage.(I HOPE)
I think if you put him up to a big name fighter (ie. Andre Arlovski(sp?) maybe?) he will have to train much harder and it wil lbe impossible to underestimate someone like him.
Come on Cro Cop, ZA DOM SPREMNI
[quote comment=”146647″]Dana should release Crocop from his contract like he did Babalu…although i’m not sure if he can just for bad performances. i’m guessing being the shrewd business man that he typically is dana would have a release clause for bad performance. maybe cropcop can go back to croatia and fight in the parliament to get some wins[/quote]
Yeah thats a great idea release a fighter who instead of verbally submitting due to injury, stood there and took his licking when he didn’t need to.
I suppose you think Shogun will kill Rampage again based on there last fight where Quinton was an injured punching bag, right?
Instead of talking trash about accomplished people why dont you let someone hit you in the chest with a baseball bat and see how many members of the croatian parliament you can take out?
he can use whatever bullshit excuse he wants for this loss but its the second time in a row that hes been beaten at his own game
Let’s see Arlovski vs Cro Cop at UFC 79. They both have a lot to prove. It would be a high action striking battle and Arlovski holds the Sambo card as well.
C’com Dana White, this is the fans that people want to see. Barring that I’d love to see Mirko vs Chuck, if Chuck moves up or Mirko moves down a weight class.
[quote comment=”146757″]he can use whatever bullshit excuse he wants for this loss but its the second time in a row that hes been beaten at his own game[/quote]
Yep Gonzaga GnP’ing him then landing 1 kick sure is beating him at his own game pal im so sorry i didn’t realize it sooner but Gabe Gonzaga sure did put on a kickboxing clinic did’nt he… really beat him at his own game right.
guess you haven’t watched that fight bc gonzaga beat his ass standing up too.
[quote comment=”146757″]he can use whatever bullshit excuse he wants for this loss but its the second time in a row that hes been beaten at his own game[/quote]
I don’t understand how its not a legitament reason for having a loss. Crocop with a broken rib and not saying anything other than to go out and fight a bigger and maybe stronger fighter. And another thing how are u suppose on your game plan when you have a broken rib? Im assuming that Crocop was going in and trying to keep that rib safe for the next few rounds instead of maybe injuring it severly and maybe ending his career.
If he really did break a rib then that actually is a legitimate reason for a loss….i’m just not sure if he actually has some or if it’s an excuse. and thank you cm for actually bringing a reasonable argument to the table instead of just hugging crocops balls
[quote comment=”146786″]guess you haven’t watched that fight bc gonzaga beat his ass standing up too.[/quote]
lol seriosuly dude lol
did YOU watch the Gonzaga fight? how many shots did Gonzaga land on his FEET? He was pushing Cro cops lead hand down and looking for a shot strait down the middle which he didnt land.. Cro cop didnt throw punches then because he was moving out of the way.. he lands that body kick and it hits the ground.
I’m obviously not trying to say Cro cop was winning. but saying Gonzaga beat his ass on their feet (with exception to that kick) is completely inacurate and misleading to other posters.
[quote comment=”146805″]If he really did break a rib then that actually is a legitimate reason for a loss….i’m just not sure if he actually has some or if it’s an excuse. and thank you cm for actually bringing a reasonable argument to the table instead of just hugging crocops balls[/quote]
you arguing with that other dude makes no sense. he seems to be defending a fighter he likes, you’re just bashing him for dropping 2..use constructive points and Learn 2 post playa!
its not just that hes lost two in a row…its that hes looked horrible in both of them. even in the first round (when we can all agree that he was fully healthy) cropcop didn’t convincingly win the round, yeah he stalked him and hit him with some shots but congo caught him with some too. crocop is past it (healthy or not) is the point. put him against couture(although it would never happen bc he wont get a shot) big nog, arlovski, vera, or sylvia right now and i’m pretty sure he would lose
[quote comment=”146821″]its not just that hes lost two in a row…its that hes looked horrible in both of them. even in the first round (when we can all agree that he was fully healthy) cropcop didn’t convincingly win the round, yeah he stalked him and hit him with some shots but congo caught him with some too. crocop is past it (healthy or not) is the point. put him against couture(although it would never happen bc he wont get a shot) big nog, arlovski, vera, or sylvia right now and i’m pretty sure he would lose[/quote]
wasnt much to see against gabe cause he was on his back mostly and he did end the first round against kongo with full mount dropping punches sooooo…
and i did come out a little strong in my criticism of mirko…he’s got heavy hands and on his night he is a really good kick boxer. i just think he’s clearly past his prime and a mid level ufc heavyweight. i completely understand being a cro cop fan…i was too when he was in pride, hes just been very frustrating to watch in ufc
[quote comment=”146805″]If he really did break a rib then that actually is a legitimate reason for a loss….i’m just not sure if he actually has some or if it’s an excuse. and thank you cm for actually bringing a reasonable argument to the table instead of just hugging crocops balls[/quote]
It’s a very legitimate reason, I mean remember TUF 3? Kalib Starnes thought he had a broke rib and couldn’t continue. It turns out he didn’t, and Mirko really did, yet he doesn’t stop the fight? He keeps going?
Then he gets nailed right in the berries and still keeps fighting, thats pretty frickin hardcore, I’m not surprised after this he did lose. Don’t give up on him now, those were some hard hits, and for a fighter whose main power is high kicks, try kicking that high with a broke rib and a sore bread basket..
[quote comment=”146094″][quote post=”3284″]people will mention broken ribs (yes I realise it’s extremely painful), but Randy fractured his arm and won, Franklin broke his hand against Loiseau and won[/quote]
Do yourself a favor & Google the adverse effects that a broken rib has on the human body.
Cro Cop could have fought at his best & still lost. The broken rib is not being used as an excuse as to why he lost but rather to explain Cro Cop was not fighting at his best.[/quote]
Yeah fair point…I accept that; bad point by me. I didn’t mean to compare the effects of the injuries moreso the lack of heart or drive in the face of adversity or some bs along those lines…Yeah that still sounds like garbage. I was just so dissapointed and let down I got carried away.
But did he break a rib?…I don’t know. Cro Cop has always gassed mind.
Does anyone think Mirko is having huge problems with the escape angles in the octagon?
I think it’s a lot easier for his opponents in the octagon as they can nearly always circle away clockwise.
In the ring he could trap them in a corner and only offer one way out; past his left side where all the power is.
[quote comment=”146094″][quote post=”3284″]people will mention broken ribs (yes I realise it’s extremely painful), but Randy fractured his arm and won, Franklin broke his hand against Loiseau and won[/quote]
Do yourself a favor & Google the adverse effects that a broken rib has on the human body.
Cro Cop could have fought at his best & still lost. The broken rib is not being used as an excuse as to why he lost but rather to explain Cro Cop was not fighting at his best.[/quote]
Yeah my bad, bad point by me. To be honest I was upset and disappointed and got carried away there. I was at the event and said if he lost I’d never watch UFC again. I lied lol.
I shouldn’t have compared the dibilitating effects of Mirko’s rib break with the arm and hand injuries; should have questioned his lack of determination and drive in the face of adversity or some bs along those lines…Man that knee to the balls was sick.
Apologies for getting carried away in the heat of the moment there, sometimes I make retarded points when I pissed off lol.
Still a CC fan for life.
Actually even disregard the whole octagon thing too. I just watched the OWGP again (a year ago now) to remind me how good the real CC is.
He walked through Wandy; it’s just so hard to think that the Mirko that fought Saturday night is the same man. What happened to his hands; he didn’t even really use them against Eddie Sanchez. Talk about becoming one dimensional.
It was so difficult to watch it live in the O2.
[quote comment=”146897″][quote comment=”146094″][quote post=”3284″]people will mention broken ribs (yes I realise it’s extremely painful), but Randy fractured his arm and won, Franklin broke his hand against Loiseau and won[/quote]
Do yourself a favor & Google the adverse effects that a broken rib has on the human body.
Cro Cop could have fought at his best & still lost. The broken rib is not being used as an excuse as to why he lost but rather to explain Cro Cop was not fighting at his best.[/quote]
Yeah my bad, bad point by me. To be honest I was upset and disappointed and got carried away there. I was at the event and said if he lost I’d never watch UFC again. I lied lol.
I shouldn’t have compared the dibilitating effects of Mirko’s rib break with the arm and hand injuries; should have questioned his lack of determination and drive in the face of adversity or some bs along those lines…Man that knee to the balls was sick.
Apologies for getting carried away in the heat of the moment there, sometimes I make retarded points when I pissed off lol.
Still a CC fan for life.[/quote]
IF MIRKO FOUGHT HIM AROUND THE TIME HE WAS IN THE GRAND PRIX HE WOULD OF WALKED RIGHT THROUGH.
[quote comment=”146770″]Let’s see Arlovski vs Cro Cop at UFC 79. They both have a lot to prove. It would be a high action striking battle and Arlovski holds the Sambo card as well.
C’com Dana White, this is the fans that people want to see. Barring that I’d love to see Mirko vs Chuck, if Chuck moves up or Mirko moves down a weight class.[/quote]
I HEARD A LIL RUMOR THAT DANA WANTED CHUCK TO TRY HEAVYS OUT AND FIGHT CRO COP AFTER JARDINE
Didn’t Chuck say he’d fight anyone. It was something like:
Chuck:”I’ll fight Wandy…sure I’ll fight Shogun….yeah Crocop too”.
Reporter: “What about Fedor?”
Chuck: “Eh…Only if I have to.”
hell, i would have to go with chuck, cro cop has lost his will to fight, i think his skills are still there, but he has no more heart. its really hard to watch, being a huge cro cop fan.
[quote comment=”147300″]hell, i would have to go with chuck, cro cop has lost his will to fight, i think his skills are still there, but he has no more heart. its really hard to watch, being a huge cro cop fan.[/quote]
Yeah I’d agree, I think CC is just going to pick up the money now as he had already expressed his desire to retire as soon as his contract expires. He pretty much said as much when he inked the deal.
[quote post=”3284″]EXCUSES, EXCUSES, EXCUSES.
Kongo said he had a bad shoulder injury coming into the fight, and he beat the “most feared striker in all of mma’. I don’t think Cro Cop can have that monicker anymore… [/quote]
Ya, I don’t see the point of excuses. A broken rib can cause you to lose a fight and so can a kick to the head. Half of being a great fighter is avoiding those fight losing strikes.
Everyone seems to be writing off Cro cop but just because he lost 2 fights in a row does not mean he’s finished. All he needs in more confidence in the octagon as all of his professional life he has fought in a ring (K1 and Pride). To make the transition to the octagon will take a bit of time. He only started training in a cage for UFC 75. Anyway, BJ Penn lost 2 fights in a row, but he seems to be coming back well. I just think that one big win for Cro cop in the Octagon will bring out the old Mirko we know. As he said, it will be a new ‘Challenge’ fighting in the Octagon. Plus, he got kneed in his privates at UFC 75, It would have been hard utilising his kicks after that.
[quote comment=”147772″]Everyone seems to be writing off Cro cop but just because he lost 2 fights in a row does not mean he’s finished. All he needs in more confidence in the octagon as all of his professional life he has fought in a ring (K1 and Pride). To make the transition to the octagon will take a bit of time. He only started training in a cage for UFC 75. Anyway, BJ Penn lost 2 fights in a row, but he seems to be coming back well. I just think that one big win for Cro cop in the Octagon will bring out the old Mirko we know. As he said, it will be a new ‘Challenge’ fighting in the Octagon. Plus, he got kneed in his privates at UFC 75, It would have been hard utilising his kicks after that.[/quote]
I think it’s because of the manner of those losses and the fact neither were ranked top 10. It’s sad; I had to watch the OWGP again to remind me how good this guy can be.
cro cop is a good fighter he has 2 loses on his record that doesnt mean anything
he takes some time off trains more get more comfortable in octagon his next fight could be andrei or vera he wins that one then wins oanother one we could see him go up an if he does he is not going to stop until the match for title ans then we can predict anymore after that he is done with fightin maybe as last match with fedor an done
[quote post=”3284″]”Mirko is a tough guy, one knee to the balls and he wont complain but two and even he feels it”, even though I usually agree with Rogan all I was thinking is when it comes to being knee’ed in your balls there is no such thing as a tough guy, lol!!!
When Rogan said that No Man can take two shots to the balls, two words came to my mind = Joe Son
If you don’t believe me, watch the old school fight between Keith Hackney and Joe Son. Joe Son has him in a guillatine and Hackney winds up and puches him HARD right square in the dick like 7 times.
Joe Son can take a shot to the nuts like no other!!!! [/quote]
Did they even where cups back then.
[quote post=”3284″]Cro cop needs to drop to 205! He could be a champ there. the gap between heavyweights is too great now with that giants are training with camps like Coutures’ and big bear etc. There is no shame in droping to a weight class more suited to your natuarl physique [/quote]
I don’t know, Randy and Vera are about the same size as CC and they don’t seem to have a problem with the big boys. Mind you I think they are the 2 best HWs and there skill( mainly wrestling) makes up for their smaller size.
[quote post=”3284″]cro cop is a good fighter he has 2 loses on his record that doesnt mean anything
he takes some time off trains more get more comfortable in octagon his next fight could be andrei or vera he wins that one then wins oanother one we could see him go up an if he does he is not going to stop until the match for title ans then we can predict anymore after that he is done with fightin maybe as last match with fedor an done [/quote]
The thing is if he can’t beat a pure kickboxer like Kongo, I don’t think he stands a chance against a kickboxer , BBJ and a wrestler (VERA). Vera is not just ok at all these things , he is great at all of them. Vera and Randy would maul CC. Mark my words, I would bet my house on it.
Mirko you just don’t look comfortable in that cage. It looks to me that the space is too big for you and you need to overcome that. You are better fighter than Gonzala and Kongo but you have to learn how to own that space the same way you did in Pride. You got to make it work for you. You can DO IT!!!!
Cro Cop is looking like Frank Mir did recently. All the talent in the world gone bad for one reason or another. For Mir it was the hesitation with his leg injury and time off. For Cro Cop I think its the change in venue, rules, etc. I think he was over-confident and thought the Gonzaga knockout to be a fluke. Now he knows UFC fighters aren’t chumps so he won’t make the same mistake a third time.
He got kneed in the balls twice my friends… and not a little bit, very hard knees to the balls.
He got some time off you’d say, well Kongo also got time off and his balls were doing fine - in other words he was simply resting and recovering possibly getting tips from his corner. so by the end of the rest your balls are still sore while Kongo is all fresh
The CRO COP v. KINGO fight was going great in the 1st round, Kongo himself was shitting his pants and walking back so freaked out [no one ever expected CRO COP to come after him opponent like he did in R-1] that he actually tripped and fell on his arse… wow if you did not see that then you should re-watch the fight.
The second and third rounds were won by Kongo, for sure, but why Mirko’s performance was so different than the first one, well before you say anything re-watch the fight.
NOW FOR THE ILLEGAL SH**T:
(1) the knees to the groin area- It is very much so an illegal kick, in all forms of MMA, even the “no rules” VALE TUDO. Now a 1st kinck can be an accident, a 2nd kick can also be an accident but a third kick is just a dirty fighter taking advantage of a another fighters unwillingness to cry out to the ref. and the the refs belief that a ‘PROFESSIONSAL STRIKER LIKE KONGO, WOULD BE ABLE AFTER NUMEROUS FIGHTS, TO JUDGE HIS DISTANCE AND RANGE’ apparently that is not to be expected.
So, should he (KONGO) be disqualified?
YES- for using the knee 3X, 2X after being warned.
YES- for using the knee as a means to take an opponents energy/ strenght- illegally.
YES- for failing to follow UFC mandated rules of fighting.
ONE MORE THING, taking a SINGLE point off does nothing to help speed up a healing process after an illegal groin kick, punch…or whatever.
Now for MIRKO, a performance like round ONE in the fight w/ Kingo was superb. Following a loss against Gonzaga, I believe that 85% of world class MMA fighters would ave given up or taken a year off, believe me, belive me! JOB WELL DONE, MIRKO.
Yeah, i htink mirko has just not been taking the ufc seriously. He needs to straighten up his act and start kicking some serious ass in the ufc.