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Quoteworthy [from Cuban]:
“I am in ongoing discussions with some of his people. I plan on making a significant investment in MMA with the goal of promoting it as a professional sport with professional athletes. There is no reason that a fighter in an undercard match should be treated any differently than how I treat our players on the Mavs. We would work with his promoters to place him in fights from affiliated promoters or in fights we promote ourselves. It’s the highest rated sports programming by far [on HDNet]. Our MMA programming on HDNet beats networks that have five times or more the carriage that we do. So it’s been a big winner for us and we expect it to get even better.”
– This situation continues to get even more bizarre. The billionaire owner of the NBA Dallas Mavericks, Mark Cuban, has now thrown is hat into the ring for the services of PRIDE FC Heavyweight Champion, Fedor Emelianenko. He would like to include the Russian “to fill the weekly quota of bouts HDNet would need for its successful Friday Fight Night series.” Ugh.
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I hope he don’t get him, i wanna see fedor in the ufc, it’s the only path for fedor IMO
Eh?
what the hell is this? can we just sign this dude so randy can kick his ass and we don’t have to listen to this soap opera about FEDOR!!! listen, he’s a great fighter, but the bottom line is he’ll never be the greatest unless he fights the greatest _ which are all in the UFC (now) i know he’s already beat CC and Big NOG a couple times each but lets get him in the octogon with RC, GG, TS, AA, BV, Fxxk this is starting to get annoying!
Wow,
This is getting rediculous…
I feel at this point that the UFC is starting to waste time and energy in this. I say let the idiot FEDOR sign with someone else besides UFC. The UFC holds the ELITE fighers in all divisions including the HW division, and if he wants to sandbag a less competitive organization like strike force, or IFL or w.e. than let him, its his image he will ruin.
I for one would like to see Randy Couture fight Fedor. A year ago I’d have said he didn’t have a chance, right now there’s nobody Randy can’t beat on a good day…!
Even Matt Lindland was giving Fedor a good go and might have had a better result had Fedor not held onto the ropes so blatently to spoil Lindlands takedown, and I don’t beleive Lindland has anything on Randy.
As for any other UFC Heavyweights - can’t see any others taking Fedor at the moment, with the possible exceptions of Cro Cop and Minorauro who you can never write off. I think Sylvia would get destroyed in less than a minute and I don’t think The Pitbull could keep it standing long enough, and Vera, good as he seems is yet to be really tested.
Mark Cuban will be the next “Don King”, well at least the white version of him.
All this Fedor stuff makes me sick. Fedor looks like he has a slight case of Downsyndrome
Geez, this Fedor Free Agency has really turned into a cirucs side show. Mark Cuban! WTF?
[quote post=”3232″]Even Matt Lindland was giving Fedor a good go and might have had a better result had Fedor not held onto the ropes so blatently to spoil Lindlands takedown, and I don’t beleive Lindland has anything on Randy.[/quote]
You say you “don’t beleive Lindland has anything on Randy”
RIght now Randy is light years beyond Linland. You can’t even compare the two. Plus Randy is a HW, so just for the one reason alone, he’d have a better chance at beating Fedor than the MW Linland.
Let’s look at this..Randy is the UFC HH Champion..Hall of Famer..Icon..Legend..etc..Fedor Pride HH Champion..impressive Res..beat the who’s who’s..considered by many pound per pound the the best figher in the world currently..the UFC purchased Pride..hmmm..the big name fighters of pride have signed with the UFC..its our intrest as fans..the UfC’s and Fedors to come and fight in the UFC at this time..by not fighting in the UFC..it would be like..No Mohammed Ali vs Joe No vs No Hagler vs the Hitman..No Sugar Ray vs Hagler…..never knowing without a doubt of our time who is the Best pound per pound best fighter of our era..End of story Fedor needs to sign and fight Randy for the unify the HH belts..and bragging rights for a lifetime.
[quote comment=”141977″]Geez, this Fedor Free Agency has really turned into a cirucs side show. Mark Cuban! WTF?[/quote]
Agreed. Next thing we hear, he’ll be fighting during half-time at a Mavs game. Purchase any two pairs of shoes at Foot Locker and enter a ballot to challenge Fedor during the next Mavs home game.
Hey Mania, great to hear that UFC 74 tickets are on sale now under the “Buy UFC Tickets” section. I’m guessing they’ll be selling at a big discount??
[quote comment=”141968″]what the hell is this? can we just sign this dude so randy can kick his ass and we don’t have to listen to this soap opera about FEDOR!!! listen, he’s a great fighter, but the bottom line is he’ll never be the greatest unless he fights the greatest _ which are all in the UFC (now) i know he’s already beat CC and Big NOG a couple times each but lets get him in the octogon with RC, GG, TS, AA, BV, Fxxk this is starting to get annoying![/quote]
i agree, its now proven that UFC fighters are better than those from Pride (remember a few months ago the back and forth argument about which organisation holds the best) Fedor will never go down in history unless he fights in the UFC - its not just his image he will ruin, but he will also lose a load of fans - lets face it, nobody was excited at the Lindland fight, it was not a challenge. The UFC is a challenge - is he scared or what ???
though i do agree Fedor should be getting paid millions per fight - in his position i would say 5mill per fight
With Dana’s temper, I can see him soon telling “these crazy russians to fuck off.” Think of all the great matchups and excitment that would be lost if he signs with Cuban but Cuban is a deeper pocket, better negotiator, and even though Cuban is a clown he still can hold himself like a grown man unlike Dana.
BY THE WAY ~ i have 10 UFC DVDs for sale (43,45,46,47,48,49,50,53,55,58) selling for $65 and i’ll ship UPS ground (3-5 days) for free
What the hell is Cuban trying to do?! Just stick with Dancing with the Stars.
ITS ALL GONNA COME DOWN TO MONEY WITH FEDOR!! If he wants to go down in history as the best MMA fighter in the world he will sign with UFC. If he wants to go down in history and be forgotten but paid shit loads he will go where the money is. I say that the UFC say now or never with this guy. Its starting to get old. As much as i would love to see him in the UFC, the is starting become a bunch of bullshit
Well, since I’m from the Dallas area, I do have to completely give Mark (as crazy as he is) credit for the ability to breathe new life into just about anything. I mean we wouldn’t even really have had HighDef content for the last two years if it weren’t for him. We wouldn’t have iTunes movie downloads from the internet if it weren’t for him starting Broadcast.com which sold to Yahoo which invented movie downloads on the internet and we certainly wouldn’t have a winning Mavs team here in Dallas. I’m not saying Mark isn’t crazy but I certainly wouldn’t dismiss his possible new vision for MMA so quick.
What the hall is Cuban doing…. This billionare prick is trying
to really mess up UFC Heavyweight plans…. Dana better hope that Cuban doesn’t get an organization going…cuz Cuban has very deep pockets, he takes chances, and his players always get a Royal treatment. Cuban could potential mess wit the UFC. Dana treats the fighters like shit, Cuban will treat them like Royalty. Dana needs to step up and sign Fedor, squash all other offers, and put a monkey wrench in Cuban’s plans. If a billionaire like cuban gets his hands on Fedor, who is the best possible keystone to start an organizations…
Dana White: Time to step up and squash cuban’s plans like the ballroom dancing bug that he is!
If this coninues could we say “DODGE”. This seems to be the most obvious dodging I have seen in years.
I bought in to the Fedor phenonenom and was totally sold that he was the best but if it is as it appears to be, he just keeps making outrageous demands for his contract, I might have to say he really doesn’t want to fight in the OCTAGON. He must be scared and feel that he cant win there!
I suggest we all start calling him chicken or coward and taunt him into the UFC. Anyone type Russian.
Mark Cuban is the last thing the sport of MMA needs. This is what happened to Boxing, to many people got involved and could never solve a damn thing. So many fights that should have occured in the 90’s never did because of contract restrictions. WBO champ signed with SHOWTIME and could never fight the WBA champ who had a HBO contract. THIS SHIT IS GAY!!!
FEDOR is loosing his status quickly!!!
Cuban was recently linked with purchasing the Chicago Cubs as well. I’d give this as much credibility as that report. Make no mistake, it isn’t out of Cuban’s realm of reality to try it however.
dear god. come to a conclusion please. This is sickening. Either one of two things is gonna happen……
1.
Fedor has signed and will be announced this Saturday night at the event. A lot of leaks are starting to come through saying he has signed but offer no proof or evidence. BS. Just random people claiming to be on the inside and have the info. Who really knows.
or 2.
He really hasnt signed and Fedor will never sign in the UFC. If he hasnt signed already…. I seriously doubt Fedor will ever sign with the UFC in the near future. If these “talks” with “Fedors people” are so insane and never get anywhere……. its never gonna happen.
When I watch the event this sat I will be crossing my fingers in between bouts.
Somebody needs to slap the UFC in the face because Fedor is worth every penny and more. No matter what stupid rumors UFC BRASS is spreading around about Fedor because they are too arrogant to accept his terms. Randy Couture and everyone else knows that Fedor is the #1 HEAVYWEIGHT not some UFC upstart heavyweight who the UFC is too afraid to put up against Josh Barnett (who by the way would clobber good ole Randy).
speechless, what a waste if this does not happen, i am a huge fedor fan, but he has to have some say in this and if he chooses some where else to fight he’s making a huge mistake. i all most feel cheated. bullshit he has not signed yet!
TRIangleCHOKE
they offical DVD’s?
I’ll take em off your hands.
WTF!?!?!?!
Hey, let’s all pool our money and see if we can sign Fedor?
FIRST OFF, CUBAN IS A LIL LATE JUMPIN ON THE MMA BANDWAGON IMO. 5 YEARS AGO WOULDA BEEN GREAT, BUT THE UFC IS TO ESTABLISHED NOW AND ALREADY HAS ALL THE ELITE FIGHTERS (MOST ANYWAY).
BESIDES FEDOR HASNT DONE SHIT FOR A FEW YEARS BESIDES THE LINDLAND FIGHT IN WHICH HE CHEATED TO WIN ANYWAY! THE ONLY PLACE FEDOR CAN CARY ON HIS LEGACY IS THE UFC PERIOD.
WHO HERE WILL CONTINUE TO ORDER PPVS WITH FEDOR IF HE’S FIGHTING NOBODIES?? HOW MAN OF YOU ORDERED THE FEDOR/LIND FIGHT ANYWAYS? MY POINT EXACTLEY!
AT ONE POINT IN TIME FEDOR WAS THE NUMBER 1 GUY, NOW, NOT SO MUCH.. I HAVE RANDY,NOG,GONZAGA, AND EVEN CROCOP AHEAD RIGHT NOW DUE TO STIFFER AND MORE EFFICIENT COMP.. THOUGHTS?
Fedor is one man. There are enough fights out there for Randy to keep fighting until social security kicks in. Every week something changes in the UFC to keep things spicey. I do think Dana better make sure he keeps his guys under wraps, and he should start by upping the ante for undercard guys, Cuban has a good point there.
they offical DVD’s?
I’ll take em off your hands
they sure are ~ some of them are the double disk sets, but they are all official and in pretty good shape. i haven’t played them but the discs look to be fine. send me your e-mail on this post and i’ll send you my phone#
[quote comment=”141998″]What the hall is Cuban doing…. This billionare prick is trying
to really mess up UFC Heavyweight plans…. Dana better hope that Cuban doesn’t get an organization going…cuz Cuban has very deep pockets, he takes chances, and his players always get a Royal treatment. Cuban could potential mess wit the UFC. Dana treats the fighters like shit, Cuban will treat them like Royalty. Dana needs to step up and sign Fedor, squash all other offers, and put a monkey wrench in Cuban’s plans. If a billionaire like cuban gets his hands on Fedor, who is the best possible keystone to start an organizations…
Dana White: Time to step up and squash cuban’s plans like the ballroom dancing bug that he is![/quote]
Dana treats his fighters like SHIT! I’m not sure what makes you think that. It seems to me that all the fighters get on well with Dana, many of them knowing him on a personal level. The only people who I know have problems with Dana are Ortiz (who still gets red carpet treatment) and Nick Diaz (I’m not too sure what caused the rift there). Apart from that UFC fighters recieve the highest salaries in MMA and the most lucrative oppurtunities (endorsements and the like).
This could be a first step in ending the UFC monopoly in MMA. If Cuban rents out Fedor, he could possibly fight the best in any and every organization- including in the UFC for ‘one fight deals’. The UFC shouldn’t have such leveraging power in believing they are the key avenue for all the best fighters.
[quote comment=”142051″]This could be a first step in ending the UFC monopoly in MMA. If Cuban rents out Fedor, he could possibly fight the best in any and every organization- including in the UFC for ‘one fight deals’. The UFC shouldn’t have such leveraging power in believing they are the key avenue for all the best fighters.[/quote]
Dude,
That doesnt mean other Organizations will rent him. If he is “Champ Material” no one will just let him come in win a title and leave with a one fight contract. Its too risky for organizations to do that. Yea I can see that if he is fight all kinds of under cards… lol. Anyways this is taking too much time. Sign him or dont. The UFC will be just fine with, or with out him.
BTW “Al” Your an idiot if you think The baby faced idiot can take this RC.
IT WOULD BE FUNNY IF FEDOR GOT HIS ASS KNOCKED OUT JUST LIKE CRO COP. IM NOT SAYING I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT BUT IT’S INTERESTING WATCHING THE GREAT HYPE CRUMPLING TO THE FLOOR LIKE CRO COP. ANYTHING COULD HAPPEN IN THIS SPORT AND IMAGINE PAYING MILLIONS ON AN INVESTMENT AND THEN HAVING SOMEBODY(RANDY) COME AND DRAIN IT AWAY
I think Cuban waited a little too long for this but, he definitely has money to do anything he wants to.
I think if Fedor goes elsewhere it will undermine all of his achievements thus far. Everyone knows Dana wants him in the UFC badly.
FIGHTING IN OTHER PROMOTIONS
The only thing I can see Dana be absolutely unyeilding about in negotiations is Fedor fighting in other promotions while still under contract. Its too much of a risk both injury or defeat can effect Dana’s investment.
HOW LONG FEDOR WILL FIGHT FOR
Fedor ideally would prefer one fight contracts essentially making him a free agent (if not a one fight contract then as few as possible), while Dana will want to have something like a 6 or more fight contract which will last at least over 2 years (like Cro Cop).
FIGHTING ON RUSSIAN SOIL
While we all know Dana is trying to expand the UFC he may not have Russia in his vision for the “near” future. Dana wants a deliberate, purposeful expansion. However Fedor as a patriot wants to showcase in his country which is understandable. It will be difficult and dangerous to agree to this though. First Russia doesn’t present the quick financial reward the UFC is looking for in terms of rapid expansion (because of a volitile economy) unlike the U.K. with the strongest currency and less business tax. Second if he allows this what will other fighters be demanding in the future!!! Imagine if Fedor wins all his fights, at the end of his contract what will Dana have to do to get him to re-sign, Fedor will probaly demand the U.S. to surrender all WMD’s to Russia before he puts pen to paper.
MONEY
Fedor’s management team will want to get what they think Fedor is worth and then some. So I imagine that the “always ask for more” technique is being used. Once again this is dangerous, if a UFC super star takes out Fedor then they should get a huge pay increase in the next bout. One signing of a disproportionate amount like 2 mil a fight (thats what I heard) would have serious implications on all the other fighters especially those who manage to put Fedor to sleep.
Personally I will be LMAO if Dana has already signned Fedor. I say wait till 75 and then we continue the Fedor discussion. If he has signned great, if he hasn’t I no longer care that much. I’ll eat the cake even if there is no icing on the top
[quote comment=”142051″]This could be a first step in ending the UFC monopoly in MMA. If Cuban rents out Fedor, he could possibly fight the best in any and every organization- including in the UFC for ‘one fight deals’. The UFC shouldn’t have such leveraging power in believing they are the key avenue for all the best fighters.[/quote]
They dont have a monopoly. IFL, WEC (also owned by Zuffa), Shooto, DEEP, Bodog, etc…
Fedor will come around. Its in both his and the UFCs interest for him to sign with them.
[quote comment=”142048″]
“Dana treats his fighters like SHIT!” I’m not sure what makes you think that. It seems to me that all the fighters get on well with Dana, many of them knowing him on a personal level. The only people who I know have problems with Dana are Ortiz (who still gets red carpet treatment) and Nick Diaz (I’m not too sure what caused the rift there). Apart from that UFC fighters recieve the highest salaries in MMA and the most lucrative oppurtunities (endorsements and the like).[/quote]
All the other fighters just aren’t as stupid to bite the only hand that feeds MMA fighters right now. Of course they aren’t going to say anything bad to Dana (especially to his face) because he makes or breaks fighters by the fights he sets up. But if you read between the lines - you know that they all think they should get paid much more. Competition breeds that - there’s nothing right now for Dana to fear but if Cuban stepped into the ring - he plays to win.
[quote post=”3232″]You say you “don’t beleive Lindland has anything on Randy”
RIght now Randy is light years beyond Linland. You can’t even compare the two. Plus Randy is a HW, so just for the one reason alone, he’d have a better chance at beating Fedor than the MW Linland.[/quote]
Uhhh, that’s what he meant. When someone says “Person A has nothing on Person B”, it means Person B is better than Person A.
damn it I cant take it anymore…randy is not that great …he beat gonzaga dude who the hell is gonzaga an nobody…dont yall realize that if randy wouldnt have beat gonzaga(someone who has never been in a championship and who has only beat one worthy person)the way he did then randy’s credibility as a good fighter would have been on the line…Randy is old and regardless of how you feel about him now he was an incredible fighter in his youth and he used to be down right unbeatable…
[quote comment=”142025″]dear god. come to a conclusion please. This is sickening. Either one of two things is gonna happen……
1.
Fedor has signed and will be announced this Saturday night at the event. A lot of leaks are starting to come through saying he has signed but offer no proof or evidence. BS.
Just random people claiming to be on the inside and have the info. Who really knows.
or 2.
He really hasnt signed and Fedor will never sign in the UFC. If he hasnt signed already…. I seriously doubt Fedor will ever sign with the UFC in the near future. If these “talks” with “Fedors people” are so insane and never get anywhere……. its never gonna happen.
When I watch the event this sat I will be crossing my fingers in between bouts.[/quote]
..I’m looking out for the same thing..what would be a better stage to announce Fedor’s sigining with the UFC..then on Spike UFC 75 Champ vs. Champ..that would be so sweet.
[quote comment=”141986″]
i agree, its now proven that UFC fighters are better than those from Pride (remember a few months ago the back and forth argument about which organisation holds the best) [/quote]
Wow. Just wow. I guess guys like Anderson Silva and Quentin Jackson didn’t do too well in the UFC. As for the HW division, a little while ago, when Sylvia was champ, everyone was bellyaching about how the HW division in the UFC sucked. Now that Randy, a light HW who couldn’t get past a guy who got destroyed in the first round by a guy from Pride, has joined the division, it’s all of the sudden the cream of the crop.
I’m so sick of the partisan bickering. Why does it always have to be “UFC fighters rool, Pride sucks” or “Real fans know the only real fighters come from Pride”? Let’s face it, there are great fighters from both organizations.
As for Mark Cuban, I think it’s good news. It will push Dana into making a deal with Fedor or be the start of a great new promotion. Competition is what makes capitalism great.
[quote comment=”142056″]IT WOULD BE FUNNY IF FEDOR GOT HIS ASS KNOCKED OUT JUST LIKE CRO COP. IM NOT SAYING I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT BUT IT’S INTERESTING WATCHING THE GREAT HYPE CRUMPLING TO THE FLOOR LIKE CRO COP. ANYTHING COULD HAPPEN IN THIS SPORT AND IMAGINE PAYING MILLIONS ON AN INVESTMENT AND THEN HAVING SOMEBODY(RANDY) COME AND DRAIN IT AWAY[/quote]
I said something similar to this in a previous post. I think it would be hilarious!! Especially if it was the first punch thrown at him in the UFC. Kinda like when Randy hit Sylvia, but if he did it to Fedor with more power and Fedor was Knocked Out Cold. Probably will neevr happen but that would be pretty damn funny! I can just imagine the look on not only Dana Whites face, but also Joe Silva, Zuffa, and the whole MMA World
[quote post=”3232″]MONEY
Fedor’s management team will want to get what they think Fedor is worth and then some. So I imagine that the “always ask for more” technique is being used. Once again this is dangerous, if a UFC super star takes out Fedor then they should get a huge pay increase in the next bout. One signing of a disproportionate amount like 2 mil a fight (thats what I heard) would have serious implications on all the other fighters especially those who manage to put Fedor to sleep.
Personally I will be LMAO if Dana has already signned Fedor. I say wait till 75 and then we continue the Fedor discussion. If he has signned great, if he hasn’t I no longer care that much. I’ll eat the cake even if there is no icing on the top [/quote]
dude you sound like dana’s puppet.
First off what would happen if proffessional fighters started getting paid more because of the actions of FEDORS aggreement..nothing aside from the fact that maybe the fighters might get paid what they deserve…the only way for this sport to evolve financially is for great fighters to demand more…Try not to be so simple minded and realize that this is the hardest and most sacrificial sport in the world and also the least paid…
[quote post=”3232″]IT WOULD BE FUNNY IF FEDOR GOT HIS ASS KNOCKED OUT JUST LIKE CRO COP. IM NOT SAYING I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT BUT IT’S INTERESTING WATCHING THE GREAT HYPE CRUMPLING TO THE FLOOR LIKE CRO COP. ANYTHING COULD HAPPEN IN THIS SPORT AND IMAGINE PAYING MILLIONS ON AN INVESTMENT AND THEN HAVING SOMEBODY(RANDY) COME AND DRAIN IT AWAY [/quote]
watch his KO highlights and realize that if you had as many knock outs as he did you would also be affended by the remarks of people.
[quote comment=”142088″]damn it I cant take it anymore…randy is not that great …he beat gonzaga dude who the hell is gonzaga an nobody…dont yall realize that if randy wouldnt have beat gonzaga(someone who has never been in a championship and who has only beat one worthy person)the way he did then randy’s credibility as a good fighter would have been on the line…Randy is old and regardless of how you feel about him now he was an incredible fighter in his youth and he used to be down right unbeatable…[/quote]
There are so many things wrong with this statement.
If you watch RC fight since his been back (Tim S) he has dominated. Not just won his fights but dominated… TKOd GG who is much younger and BIGGER and looked good doing it. Now we are talking about a GG who DOMINATED Cro Cop on the ground and the standing (Hello! Head Kick!). RC is a force to be noticed. And NEVER underestimated AGAIN!. . .
[quote post=”3232″] agree, its now proven that UFC fighters are better than those from Pride (remember a few months ago the back and forth argument about which organisation holds the best) Fedor will never go down in history unless he fights in the UFC - its not just his image he will ruin, but he will also lose a load of fans - lets face it, nobody was excited at the Lindland fight, it was not a challenge. The UFC is a challenge - is he scared or what ???
though i do agree Fedor should be getting paid millions per fight - in his position i would say 5mill per fight [/quote]
Its now proven.,..hahahah lol funny.. what about rampage…if rampage can beat chuck the essentially he can beat randy, not to mention all the greats from pride have not fought yet..wandy, shogun, fedor, ect.
[quote comment=”142079″][quote comment=”142048″]
“Dana treats his fighters like SHIT!” I’m not sure what makes you think that. It seems to me that all the fighters get on well with Dana, many of them knowing him on a personal level. The only people who I know have problems with Dana are Ortiz (who still gets red carpet treatment) and Nick Diaz (I’m not too sure what caused the rift there). Apart from that UFC fighters recieve the highest salaries in MMA and the most lucrative oppurtunities (endorsements and the like).[/quote]
All the other fighters just aren’t as stupid to bite the only hand that feeds MMA fighters right now. Of course they aren’t going to say anything bad to Dana (especially to his face) because he makes or breaks fighters by the fights he sets up. But if you read between the lines - you know that they all think they should get paid much more. Competition breeds that - there’s nothing right now for Dana to fear but if Cuban stepped into the ring - he plays to win.[/quote]
Many fighters are underpaid, I dont care how little other promotions pay there fighters. The UFC pulls in the big bucks, they can afford to pay fighters more (especially since they deserve more than they are making). additionally Dana strips number #1 contenders of title shots that they have earned if they get injured (like he did with Karo, and what he would have done to Franca if he didnt roid up and fight).
The NBA is a worldclass organization. All the owners roll out the red carpet for their players, but Cuban is said to b on a whole new level. He treats his employees better than anyone. He has the money to pull off anything…. Nothing about Cuban surprises me anymore.
[quote comment=”142101″][quote comment=”141986″]
i agree, its now proven that UFC fighters are better than those from Pride (remember a few months ago the back and forth argument about which organisation holds the best) [/quote]
Wow. Just wow. I guess guys like Anderson Silva and Quentin Jackson didn’t do too well in the UFC. As for the HW division, a little while ago, when Sylvia was champ, everyone was bellyaching about how the HW division in the UFC sucked. Now that Randy, a light HW who couldn’t get past a guy who got destroyed in the first round by a guy from Pride, has joined the division, it’s all of the sudden the cream of the crop.
I’m so sick of the partisan bickering. Why does it always have to be “UFC fighters rool, Pride sucks” or “Real fans know the only real fighters come from Pride”? Let’s face it, there are great fighters from both organizations.
As for Mark Cuban, I think it’s good news. It will push Dana into making a deal with Fedor or be the start of a great new promotion. Competition is what makes capitalism great.[/quote]
Hey Gary: I agree with your whole statement
[quote comment=”142104″][quote post=”3232″]MONEY
Fedor’s management team will want to get what they think Fedor is worth and then some. So I imagine that the “always ask for more” technique is being used. Once again this is dangerous, if a UFC super star takes out Fedor then they should get a huge pay increase in the next bout. One signing of a disproportionate amount like 2 mil a fight (thats what I heard) would have serious implications on all the other fighters especially those who manage to put Fedor to sleep.
Personally I will be LMAO if Dana has already signned Fedor. I say wait till 75 and then we continue the Fedor discussion. If he has signned great, if he hasn’t I no longer care that much. I’ll eat the cake even if there is no icing on the top [/quote]
dude you sound like dana’s puppet.
First off what would happen if proffessional fighters started getting paid more because of the actions of FEDORS aggreement..nothing aside from the fact that maybe the fighters might get paid what they deserve…the only way for this sport to evolve financially is for great fighters to demand more…Try not to be so simple minded and realize that this is the hardest and most sacrificial sport in the world and also the least paid…[/quote]
Simple minded!!! Everything I said was reflecting what I thought either Dana’s or Fedor’s point of was to explain why they wont give in to each others demands. What I said is what I think is going through Dana’s mind not neccessarily thoughts of my own. You say I’m being simple minded but at what point did I say I personally didn’t believe that these fighters deserve to get paid more. If guys like yourself actually ran a business you would understand that life isn’t black and white. If everyone got paid what they deserved fire fighters and such would drive fast cars and most sports men would be on minimum wage. So don’t give me they work so hard stuff… in the world of money it just isn’t a valid arguement.
At least Mark Cuban will pony up the money Fedor is seeking. Its just too bad that Randy Couture will bust him up regardless.
[quote comment=”142122″]
Many fighters are underpaid, I dont care how little other promotions pay there fighters. The UFC pulls in the big bucks, they can afford to pay fighters more (especially since they deserve more than they are making). additionally Dana strips number #1 contenders of title shots that they have earned if they get injured (like he did with Karo, and what he would have done to Franca if he didnt roid up and fight).
[/quote]
Most of what you say I agree with, they are not paid well enough when compared with other sportsmen. However I think we all know and accept that it wont be like this forever. The NBA, NFL, etc… in there first televised years didn’t hand out multi-million dollar contracts but they do now. We all know these are still early days for MMA and it is obvious pay packets will inflate as time goes by, this is natural in sports so why is everyone surprised. My only problem are the differences in fighters salaries. As for screwing people for title shots I agree that it happens. With one title in each division and most of them stacked its bound to happen. As I said with “Royer” deserving more money in the world of business isn’t a good enough reason. Here in the UK train drivers get paid more than fire fighters, we all know who deserves more but its not that simple.
[quote post=”3232″]If you watch RC fight since his been back (Tim S) he has dominated. Not just won his fights but dominated… TKOd GG who is much younger and BIGGER and looked good doing it. Now we are talking about a GG who DOMINATED Cro Cop on the ground and the standing (Hello! Head Kick!). RC is a force to be noticed. And NEVER underestimated AGAIN!. . [/quote]
dude Im not trying to down talk Randy. Im mean to be his age and still competing is miraculous and when he was younger he was manhandling all the heavy hitters theres no doubt but to say that hes unstoppable now after beat Tim sylvia and GG is rediculous.. LHW division would destroy Randy and thats a lighter weight..
chuck took randy in less time then TITO for crying outloud and then turned around and got beat by rampage who has and will be destroyed by shogun or wandy..just stating the facts.
[quote post=”3232″]Simple minded!!! Everything I said was reflecting what I thought either Dana’s or Fedor’s point of was to explain why they wont give in to each others demands. What I said is what I think is going through Dana’s mind not neccessarily thoughts of my own. You say I’m being simple minded but at what point did I say I personally didn’t believe that these fighters deserve to get paid more. If guys like yourself actually ran a business you would understand that life isn’t black and white. If everyone got paid what they deserved fire fighters and such would drive fast cars and most sports men would be on minimum wage. So don’t give me they work so hard stuff… in the world of money it just isn’t a valid arguement. [/quote]
I apologize for putting words in your mouth..your right you were just stating what you thought dana and such were thinking..and your right about people getting paid what they deserve and what not..I’m just comparing other proffesional sportsmen especially boxing to MMA… hey this sport is somewhat new and I’m pretty sure paydays will steadily increase but I also believe its gonna be because along the line these people such as fedor will try to defy the boundaries by asking for more..things dont happen on their own, you have to push and demand for what you want..people who slow the progess of a union have the same characteristics of chuck (when he says things like “huh I just like to fight and huh I’ll fight anyone the ufc tells me to huh”..ON the other hand it is good to have people in the sport like that to maintain the purity of it..
So maybe Fedor is asking for too much or is being greedy I dont know but what I do know is that demanding certain things is a risky business but sometimes it has to be done…
sorry ufcmania i saw that you edited one of my post. I will try to keep it more discreet.
Fu** Fedor! I’m tired of hearing about him…plenty of other good guys to hear about and watch in the UFC baby. Would love to see Fedor fight Randy but, It aint gonna happen, if Fedor was gonna fight in the UFC, he would have signed already…
[quote comment=”142153″][quote post=”3232″]If you watch RC fight since his been back (Tim S) he has dominated. Not just won his fights but dominated… TKOd GG who is much younger and BIGGER and looked good doing it. Now we are talking about a GG who DOMINATED Cro Cop on the ground and the standing (Hello! Head Kick!). RC is a force to be noticed. And NEVER underestimated AGAIN!. . [/quote]
dude Im not trying to down talk Randy. Im mean to be his age and still competing is miraculous and when he was younger he was manhandling all the heavy hitters theres no doubt but to say that hes unstoppable now after beat Tim sylvia and GG is rediculous.. LHW division would destroy Randy and thats a lighter weight..
chuck took randy in less time then TITO for crying outloud and then turned around and got beat by rampage who has and will be destroyed by shogun or wandy..just stating the facts.[/quote]
Im sorry to disagree.
You stake a hard case by combining the two divisions. I see what you are saying, but looking specifically at the HW division. I dont see anyone who can take him. INCLUDING JOSH B. (I really hate that guy btw). RC has proven himself and I just think it is unfair to label RC as “Too Old” or “Out Matched”. RC has earned the reputation most of us see in him. A bad ass, and if Fedor wants to walk into RCs cage i feel sorry for him. But I just want to from all you RC haters (im not refering to you Royer) what does this man (legend) have to do for you guys to see he is a true Champion and huge competitor ?
Cuban being so filthy rich he could probably be the one to unify the leagues
[quote post=”3232″]Im sorry to disagree.
You stake a hard case by combining the two divisions. I see what you are saying, but looking specifically at the HW division. I dont see anyone who can take him. INCLUDING JOSH B. (I really hate that guy btw). RC has proven himself and I just think it is unfair to label RC as “Too Old” or “Out Matched”. RC has earned the reputation most of us see in him. A bad ass, and if Fedor wants to walk into RCs cage i feel sorry for him. But I just want to from all you RC haters (im not refering to you Royer) what does this man (legend) have to do for you guys to see he is a true Champion and huge competitor ? [/quote]
Agreed..
and in regards to your last question…Nothing… Randy has proven himself time and time again and as far as im concerned fuck it he is the best until prove otherwise period … not to mention he did call fedor out and fuck it if fedor is all about money well as a fan then I say let that money hungry hoe fight somewhere else and go down in history as the guy who wouldnt fight the best because the money wasnt good..
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Agreed..
and in regards to your last question…Nothing… Randy has proven himself time and time again and as far as im concerned fuck it he is the best until prove otherwise period … not to mention he did call fedor out and fuck it if fedor is all about money well as a fan then I say let that money hungry hoe fight somewhere else and go down in history as the guy who wouldnt fight the best because the money wasnt good..[/quote]
Couldn’t of put it better myself
[quote comment=”142088″]damn it I cant take it anymore…randy is not that great …he beat gonzaga dude who the hell is gonzaga an nobody…dont yall realize that if randy wouldnt have beat gonzaga(someone who has never been in a championship and who has only beat one worthy person)the way he did then randy’s credibility as a good fighter would have been on the line…Randy is old and regardless of how you feel about him now he was an incredible fighter in his youth and he used to be down right unbeatable…[/quote]Randy’s a hall of famer his credibility of being a good fighter hasn’t been on the line for 5 years. You make no sense if he hadn’t beat Gonzaga the way he did, well the fact is he did beat Gonzaga the way he is so why do we care what woulda happened if he didn’t. If my aunt had balls she’d be my unlce. The fact is Randy is 44 and a better fighter than he has ever been and he has always been one hell of a fighter.
[quote comment=”142153″][quote post=”3232″]If you watch RC fight since his been back (Tim S) he has dominated. Not just won his fights but dominated… TKOd GG who is much younger and BIGGER and looked good doing it. Now we are talking about a GG who DOMINATED Cro Cop on the ground and the standing (Hello! Head Kick!). RC is a force to be noticed. And NEVER underestimated AGAIN!. . [/quote]
dude Im not trying to down talk Randy. Im mean to be his age and still competing is miraculous and when he was younger he was manhandling all the heavy hitters theres no doubt but to say that hes unstoppable now after beat Tim sylvia and GG is rediculous.. LHW division would destroy Randy and thats a lighter weight..
chuck took randy in less time then TITO for crying outloud and then turned around and got beat by rampage who has and will be destroyed by shogun or wandy..just stating the facts.[/quote]
[quote comment=”142117″][quote post=”3232″] agree, its now proven that UFC fighters are better than those from Pride (remember a few months ago the back and forth argument about which organisation holds the best) Fedor will never go down in history unless he fights in the UFC - its not just his image he will ruin, but he will also lose a load of fans - lets face it, nobody was excited at the Lindland fight, it was not a challenge. The UFC is a challenge - is he scared or what ???
though i do agree Fedor should be getting paid millions per fight - in his position i would say 5mill per fight [/quote]
Its now proven.,..hahahah lol funny.. what about rampage…if rampage can beat chuck the essentially he can beat randy, not to mention all the greats from pride have not fought yet..wandy, shogun, fedor, ect.[/quote]
Dude that logic is flawed I will prove it to you. Elvis Sinosick beat Jeremey Horn. Jeremey Horn beat Chuck. Chuck beat Randy, so Elvis Sinosik would easily beat Randy if they fought right.
[quote post=”3232″]Randy’s a hall of famer his credibility of being a good fighter hasn’t been on the line for 5 years. You make no sense if he hadn’t beat Gonzaga the way he did, well the fact is he did beat Gonzaga the way he is so why do we care what woulda happened if he didn’t. If my aunt had balls she’d be my unlce. The fact is Randy is 44 and a better fighter than he has ever been and he has always been one hell of a fighter. [/quot
hey dude your right what happened, happenned period..but Randy is not better than what he was..The fact is that he’s good now and at age 44 that grabs people’s attention way more..not to mention he is hyped up more than he ever couldve back in the day for those same reasons..my point is younger randy wasnt as famous but he was definatly better in his youth..
ohh and if your aunt had balls she would be a hemaphrodite ..hey but lets leave the woulda’s and coulda’s out of this
no one should question randys ablities, he is one of the greatest fighters of all time, but it is myself included, and all other pride fighter supporters that has lifted randy into a superhuman, we did this by our praise of cro cop, telling everyone that he would destroy all the fighters in the ufc, and what happen? cro cop got ktfo, was it a fluke? don’t know but one thing for sure, it was a lose and that will never change. then randy fights gonzaga, whom since he beat cro cop must be one bad ass, gets dominated by randy. so the question is, is randy that good or did he beat a man that got lucky. my personal opinion is he his that good, but not could enough to beat fedor.
[quote post=”3232″]Dude that logic is flawed I will prove it to you. Elvis Sinosick beat Jeremey Horn. Jeremey Horn beat Chuck. Chuck beat Randy, so Elvis Sinosik would easily beat Randy if they fought right. [/quote]
true true.. but were talkin about mofos who are still at the top of their game jeremy horn probably couldnt beat chuck now but i guaraantee that shogun and wandy would still put a hurtin on Rampage..and on chuck..
This could be the best thing that ever happened to the UFC because if Mark Cuban is going to start paying the fights the money they deserve that will force the UFC to pay them the same amount or risk losing all of their fighters.
[quote post=”3232″]This could be the best thing that ever happened to the UFC because if Mark Cuban is going to start paying the fights the money they deserve that will force the UFC to pay them the same amount or risk losing all of their fighters.[/quote]
With Cuban in the picture who knows what the future holds
[quote post=”3232″]no one should question randys ablities, he is one of the greatest fighters of all time, but it is myself included, and all other pride fighter supporters that has lifted randy into a superhuman, we did this by our praise of cro cop, telling everyone that he would destroy all the fighters in the ufc, and what happen? cro cop got ktfo, was it a fluke? don’t know but one thing for sure, it was a lose and that will never change. then randy fights gonzaga, whom since he beat cro cop must be one bad ass, gets dominated