Comments on: UFC 77: Tim Sylvia visits Xtreme Couture to train for Brandon Vera http://mmamania.com/2007/08/31/ufc-77-tim-sylvia-visits-xtreme-couture-to-train-for-brandon-vera/ UFC news, event schedules, fight analysis, Octagon predictions, UFC fighters and MMA thoughts Sat, 30 Aug 2008 00:13:16 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: Rob http://mmamania.com/2007/08/31/ufc-77-tim-sylvia-visits-xtreme-couture-to-train-for-brandon-vera/#comment-167699 Rob Sat, 06 Oct 2007 20:41:44 +0000 http://mmamania.com/2007/08/31/ufc-77-tim-sylvia-visits-xtreme-couture-to-train-for-brandon-vera/#comment-167699 [quote comment="153207"][quote post="3207"]Test my theory and take a basketball to a basketball court. Shoot from the half way point. I bet you may make it now and then but in most cases, you wont make a basket. There is skill involved but my point is, luck plays a role - especially if your percentage is low. Of course, as you practice and develope your skill level, you'll make more and luck will play less of a role.[/quote] Test my theory, Give a baby a basketball , and get it to shoot from the halfway point and see how many baskets it makes by luck, because I think it's fair to say, a baby would have zero skill. Either babies aren't lucky at all, or maybe luck has nothing to do with it. This is a scientific way to prove if luck plays a part. If you take someone with no skill and they can't get a result ,then luck DOESN'T play a part. There are only different levels of skill , not more or less luck.[/quote] Well, the baby example isn't really a great example. A baby lacks the cognative ability to participate in that study and lacks the physical development to do much with a basketball. No scientific scholar would ever say that's a scientific way to test luck. But it's nice to see someone write with good writing and analytical skills. Give the baby something he or she pick up, get the baby to throw it into a basket at a close range within it's physical capabilities, and even with zero skill, it might make it in. There are way too many extraneous variables to say skill has everything to do with the success of any physical activity, including landing a punch. If you look up what luck actually means, all it is a chance happening of furtunate or adverse events. With that said, in the english language, there can be a lucky anything. Including a lucky punch. Granted, the way it's used sometimes makes it seem like a lucky punch means no skill - which of course isn't the case. [quote comment=”153207″][quote post=”3207″]Test my theory and take a basketball to a basketball court. Shoot from the half way point. I bet you may make it now and then but in most cases, you wont make a basket. There is skill involved but my point is, luck plays a role - especially if your percentage is low.
Of course, as you practice and develope your skill level, you’ll make more and luck will play less of a role.[/quote]
Test my theory, Give a baby a basketball , and get it to shoot from the halfway point and see how many baskets it makes by luck, because I think it’s fair to say, a baby would have zero skill. Either babies aren’t lucky at all, or maybe luck has nothing to do with it. This is a scientific way to prove if luck plays a part. If you take someone with no skill and they can’t get a result ,then luck DOESN’T play a part. There are only different levels of skill , not more or less luck.[/quote]

Well, the baby example isn’t really a great example. A baby lacks the cognative ability to participate in that study and lacks the physical development to do much with a basketball. No scientific scholar would ever say that’s a scientific way to test luck. But it’s nice to see someone write with good writing and analytical skills.

Give the baby something he or she pick up, get the baby to throw it into a basket at a close range within it’s physical capabilities, and even with zero skill, it might make it in.

There are way too many extraneous variables to say skill has everything to do with the success of any physical activity, including landing a punch. If you look up what luck actually means, all it is a chance happening of furtunate or adverse events. With that said, in the english language, there can be a lucky anything. Including a lucky punch.

Granted, the way it’s used sometimes makes it seem like a lucky punch means no skill - which of course isn’t the case.

]]> By: Gord http://mmamania.com/2007/08/31/ufc-77-tim-sylvia-visits-xtreme-couture-to-train-for-brandon-vera/#comment-153207 Gord Thu, 20 Sep 2007 03:27:39 +0000 http://mmamania.com/2007/08/31/ufc-77-tim-sylvia-visits-xtreme-couture-to-train-for-brandon-vera/#comment-153207 [quote post="3207"]Test my theory and take a basketball to a basketball court. Shoot from the half way point. I bet you may make it now and then but in most cases, you wont make a basket. There is skill involved but my point is, luck plays a role - especially if your percentage is low. Of course, as you practice and develope your skill level, you'll make more and luck will play less of a role.[/quote] Test my theory, Give a baby a basketball , and get it to shoot from the halfway point and see how many baskets it makes by luck, because I think it's fair to say, a baby would have zero skill. Either babies aren't lucky at all, or maybe luck has nothing to do with it. This is a scientific way to prove if luck plays a part. If you take someone with no skill and they can't get a result ,then luck DOESN'T play a part. There are only different levels of skill , not more or less luck. [quote post=”3207″]Test my theory and take a basketball to a basketball court. Shoot from the half way point. I bet you may make it now and then but in most cases, you wont make a basket. There is skill involved but my point is, luck plays a role - especially if your percentage is low.
Of course, as you practice and develope your skill level, you’ll make more and luck will play less of a role.[/quote]
Test my theory, Give a baby a basketball , and get it to shoot from the halfway point and see how many baskets it makes by luck, because I think it’s fair to say, a baby would have zero skill. Either babies aren’t lucky at all, or maybe luck has nothing to do with it. This is a scientific way to prove if luck plays a part. If you take someone with no skill and they can’t get a result ,then luck DOESN’T play a part. There are only different levels of skill , not more or less luck.

]]> By: Gord http://mmamania.com/2007/08/31/ufc-77-tim-sylvia-visits-xtreme-couture-to-train-for-brandon-vera/#comment-153050 Gord Thu, 20 Sep 2007 00:56:13 +0000 http://mmamania.com/2007/08/31/ufc-77-tim-sylvia-visits-xtreme-couture-to-train-for-brandon-vera/#comment-153050 [quote post="3207"]people can say whatever they want to say but one thing is certain.. vera will win.... sylvia is just a huge piece of shit... vera is the bomb.... just as the saying goes " the truth hurts "....peace... vera would give sylvia a hard right hand, go to the thai clinch then knee him on the head... its like automatic.... vera did that to almost all of his opponent.... he'll do that to sylvia too......[/quote] Not only does the Truth hurt ,but the Truth will prevail. [quote post=”3207″]people can say whatever they want to say but one thing is certain.. vera will win…. sylvia is just a huge piece of shit… vera is the bomb…. just as the saying goes ” the truth hurts “….peace… vera would give sylvia a hard right hand, go to the thai clinch then knee him on the head… its like automatic…. vera did that to almost all of his opponent…. he’ll do that to sylvia too……[/quote]
Not only does the Truth hurt ,but the Truth will prevail.

]]> By: Gord http://mmamania.com/2007/08/31/ufc-77-tim-sylvia-visits-xtreme-couture-to-train-for-brandon-vera/#comment-153049 Gord Thu, 20 Sep 2007 00:54:16 +0000 http://mmamania.com/2007/08/31/ufc-77-tim-sylvia-visits-xtreme-couture-to-train-for-brandon-vera/#comment-153049 [quote post="3207"]I've been saying for years since I saw Brandon Vera vs Fabiano Scherner @ ufc fight night 2 that he would hold the heavyweight title and in the future the lightheavyweight title. And I think that if he wins @ UFC 77 he will get a title shot against Randy Couture. Personally I think Vera matches up well against Couture, Vera is great in the clinch with strikes, as exibited in his fight with Scherner, he's good with submissions if Couture brings it to the ground, as shown in his fight with Assuerio Silva as well has his numerous submission contest victories and if Couture keeps his distance, which is unlikely, Vera si a great striker from a distance. However in my time spent following the sport I've learned one thing, never count out Randy Couture against anyone. As far as Vera vs Sylvia Vera should take a simmilar standup approach to his fight with Scherner, get in the clinch and destroy him with knees to the bodyuntil Sylvia drops his hands to protect himself and hit him with a knee to the head. But in this fight Vera won't have to fear going th the ground like he did with Scherner and may look to submit Sylvia. [/quote] Hey DB, I said the same thing the first time I seen Vera fight. I also said that GSP would be a champion after watching him fight once. Vera will finish Tim, he doesn't let it go to the judges. [quote post=”3207″]I’ve been saying for years since I saw Brandon Vera vs Fabiano Scherner @ ufc fight night 2 that he would hold the heavyweight title and in the future the lightheavyweight title. And I think that if he wins @ UFC 77 he will get a title shot against Randy Couture. Personally I think Vera matches up well against Couture, Vera is great in the clinch with strikes, as exibited in his fight with Scherner, he’s good with submissions if Couture brings it to the ground, as shown in his fight with Assuerio Silva as well has his numerous submission contest victories and if Couture keeps his distance, which is unlikely, Vera si a great striker from a distance. However in my time spent following the sport I’ve learned one thing, never count out Randy Couture against anyone. As far as Vera vs Sylvia Vera should take a simmilar standup approach to his fight with Scherner, get in the clinch and destroy him with knees to the bodyuntil Sylvia drops his hands to protect himself and hit him with a knee to the head. But in this fight Vera won’t have to fear going th the ground like he did with Scherner and may look to submit Sylvia. [/quote]
Hey DB, I said the same thing the first time I seen Vera fight. I also said that GSP would be a champion after watching him fight once. Vera will finish Tim, he doesn’t let it go to the judges.

]]> By: washi http://mmamania.com/2007/08/31/ufc-77-tim-sylvia-visits-xtreme-couture-to-train-for-brandon-vera/#comment-152471 washi Wed, 19 Sep 2007 10:38:33 +0000 http://mmamania.com/2007/08/31/ufc-77-tim-sylvia-visits-xtreme-couture-to-train-for-brandon-vera/#comment-152471 people can say whatever they want to say but one thing is certain.. vera will win.... sylvia is just a huge piece of shit... vera is the bomb.... just as the saying goes " the truth hurts "....peace... vera would give sylvia a hard right hand, go to the thai clinch then knee him on the head... its like automatic.... vera did that to almost all of his opponent.... he'll do that to sylvia too...... people can say whatever they want to say but one thing is certain.. vera will win…. sylvia is just a huge piece of shit… vera is the bomb…. just as the saying goes ” the truth hurts “….peace… vera would give sylvia a hard right hand, go to the thai clinch then knee him on the head… its like automatic…. vera did that to almost all of his opponent…. he’ll do that to sylvia too……

]]> By: DB http://mmamania.com/2007/08/31/ufc-77-tim-sylvia-visits-xtreme-couture-to-train-for-brandon-vera/#comment-150279 DB Sat, 15 Sep 2007 21:07:02 +0000 http://mmamania.com/2007/08/31/ufc-77-tim-sylvia-visits-xtreme-couture-to-train-for-brandon-vera/#comment-150279 I've been saying for years since I saw Brandon Vera vs Fabiano Scherner @ ufc fight night 2 that he would hold the heavyweight title and in the future the lightheavyweight title. And I think that if he wins @ UFC 77 he will get a title shot against Randy Couture. Personally I think Vera matches up well against Couture, Vera is great in the clinch with strikes, as exibited in his fight with Scherner, he's good with submissions if Couture brings it to the ground, as shown in his fight with Assuerio Silva as well has his numerous submission contest victories and if Couture keeps his distance, which is unlikely, Vera si a great striker from a distance. However in my time spent following the sport I've learned one thing, never count out Randy Couture against anyone. As far as Vera vs Sylvia Vera should take a simmilar standup approach to his fight with Scherner, get in the clinch and destroy him with knees to the bodyuntil Sylvia drops his hands to protect himself and hit him with a knee to the head. But in this fight Vera won't have to fear going th the ground like he did with Scherner and may look to submit Sylvia. I’ve been saying for years since I saw Brandon Vera vs Fabiano Scherner @ ufc fight night 2 that he would hold the heavyweight title and in the future the lightheavyweight title. And I think that if he wins @ UFC 77 he will get a title shot against Randy Couture. Personally I think Vera matches up well against Couture, Vera is great in the clinch with strikes, as exibited in his fight with Scherner, he’s good with submissions if Couture brings it to the ground, as shown in his fight with Assuerio Silva as well has his numerous submission contest victories and if Couture keeps his distance, which is unlikely, Vera si a great striker from a distance. However in my time spent following the sport I’ve learned one thing, never count out Randy Couture against anyone. As far as Vera vs Sylvia Vera should take a simmilar standup approach to his fight with Scherner, get in the clinch and destroy him with knees to the bodyuntil Sylvia drops his hands to protect himself and hit him with a knee to the head. But in this fight Vera won’t have to fear going th the ground like he did with Scherner and may look to submit Sylvia.

]]> By: Rob http://mmamania.com/2007/08/31/ufc-77-tim-sylvia-visits-xtreme-couture-to-train-for-brandon-vera/#comment-150271 Rob Sat, 15 Sep 2007 20:24:36 +0000 http://mmamania.com/2007/08/31/ufc-77-tim-sylvia-visits-xtreme-couture-to-train-for-brandon-vera/#comment-150271 [quote comment="140561"][quote post="3207"]Rob Aug 31st, 2007 at 1:23 pm Quote this comment On the subject of "lucky punch" since it came up on this blog: Just because someone intended on doing something doesn't mean the success of that something should be attributed 100% to skill. Of course skill does play a part but if you KO one guy out of a career of matches, I would say luck played a part of that one KO (of course, skill, reflexes, training, etc. also play a part). There are too many uncontrolled variables such as: the other fighter leaving his hands down; giving predictable head movements; being sick during training and more sucseptible to being vulnerable; or almost an infinite amount of extraneous constructs that can affect the outcome of whether the punch will land or not. Randy's big punch on Tim was obviously not due to luck and should be attributed to preparation and skill. He practiced that combo and landed it with a high success rate. Liddell isn't landing lucky shots - those too are skill. I say that, again, because of the high success rate. If you can do something 8 out 10 times it's not luck. If you can't, but somehow do pull it off once or twice with a low success percentage, luck played a part. ...so those who say "if you meant to do it and it happens" ask yourself these two questions: If you bowl for the first time and try for a strike and get it, was it skill? If you play the lottery and win, was it skill? Why not? You meant to do it, right? I admit luck plays a bigger part in those examples and skill makes up part of a pro fighter's lucky punch but I was just making a point that luck does play a part and there can be a "lucky punch". I don't get how someone can say there's no such thing. [/quote] Lotteries are nothing but luck(no skill involved). The whole point of a fight is to punch your opponent in the head. All punches thrown are intened for your opponent, not the Referee, not someone in the crowd ,not even the judges. Your mind tells your arm, to throw your fist into their face. You wanted to do it ,you intended to do ,you know it will help you win the fight. Either you are good enough to hit the guy or your not. There is no such thing as a lucky punch. When a lesser fighter wins by KO,all that means is he wasn't the lesser fighter that night. Remember it takes just as much skill to not get hit and we don't say , oh that guy just had a lucky defence that night or he would have got KO'ed[/quote] Very well said. I do have to mention that by no means am I or do I pretend to be a fight expert. With that said, I mess around with the boxing gloves with some of the guys once in a while. Many of my friends are way more athletically inclined that I am and I've landed a lucky punch before and ended a sparring session. Test my theory and take a basketball to a basketball court. Shoot from the half way point. I bet you may make it now and then but in most cases, you wont make a basket. There is skill involved but my point is, luck plays a role - especially if your percentage is low. Of course, as you practice and develope your skill level, you'll make more and luck will play less of a role. Come on, I've seen KOs when guys have their eyes closed and just swing - is that 100% skill? It does take skill to avoid the punch but the puncher has almost no control over the opponents skill level. There most definitely such a thing as luck in a fight (or any competition for that matter). My point with the lottery example was simply to say that the argument of "because you tried" doesn't defitively say that luck doesn't attribute anything to it. Maybe it was a bad example even though it can be mathematically proven that skill can be applied. [quote comment=”140561″][quote post=”3207″]Rob
Aug 31st, 2007 at 1:23 pm Quote this comment
On the subject of “lucky punch” since it came up on this blog:
Just because someone intended on doing something doesn’t mean the success of that something should be attributed 100% to skill.
Of course skill does play a part but if you KO one guy out of a career of matches, I would say luck played a part of that one KO (of course, skill, reflexes, training, etc. also play a part).
There are too many uncontrolled variables such as: the other fighter leaving his hands down; giving predictable head movements; being sick during training and more sucseptible to being vulnerable; or almost an infinite amount of extraneous constructs that can affect the outcome of whether the punch will land or not.
Randy’s big punch on Tim was obviously not due to luck and should be attributed to preparation and skill. He practiced that combo and landed it with a high success rate.
Liddell isn’t landing lucky shots - those too are skill. I say that, again, because of the high success rate.
If you can do something 8 out 10 times it’s not luck.
If you can’t, but somehow do pull it off once or twice with a low success percentage, luck played a part.
…so those who say “if you meant to do it and it happens” ask yourself these two questions:
If you bowl for the first time and try for a strike and get it, was it skill?
If you play the lottery and win, was it skill?
Why not? You meant to do it, right?
I admit luck plays a bigger part in those examples and skill makes up part of a pro fighter’s lucky punch but I was just making a point that luck does play a part and there can be a “lucky punch”.
I don’t get how someone can say there’s no such thing. [/quote]
Lotteries are nothing but luck(no skill involved). The whole point of a fight is to punch your opponent in the head. All punches thrown are intened for your opponent, not the Referee, not someone in the crowd ,not even the judges. Your mind tells your arm, to throw your fist into their face. You wanted to do it ,you intended to do ,you know it will help you win the fight. Either you are good enough to hit the guy or your not. There is no such thing as a lucky punch. When a lesser fighter wins by KO,all that means is he wasn’t the lesser fighter that night. Remember it takes just as much skill to not get hit and we don’t say , oh that guy just had a lucky defence that night or he would have got KO’ed[/quote]

Very well said. I do have to mention that by no means am I or do I pretend to be a fight expert. With that said, I mess around with the boxing gloves with some of the guys once in a while. Many of my friends are way more athletically inclined that I am and I’ve landed a lucky punch before and ended a sparring session.

Test my theory and take a basketball to a basketball court. Shoot from the half way point. I bet you may make it now and then but in most cases, you wont make a basket. There is skill involved but my point is, luck plays a role - especially if your percentage is low.

Of course, as you practice and develope your skill level, you’ll make more and luck will play less of a role.

Come on, I’ve seen KOs when guys have their eyes closed and just swing - is that 100% skill? It does take skill to avoid the punch but the puncher has almost no control over the opponents skill level.

There most definitely such a thing as luck in a fight (or any competition for that matter).

My point with the lottery example was simply to say that the argument of “because you tried” doesn’t defitively say that luck doesn’t attribute anything to it. Maybe it was a bad example even though it can be mathematically proven that skill can be applied.

]]> By: lifthard007 http://mmamania.com/2007/08/31/ufc-77-tim-sylvia-visits-xtreme-couture-to-train-for-brandon-vera/#comment-148426 lifthard007 Thu, 13 Sep 2007 03:15:58 +0000 http://mmamania.com/2007/08/31/ufc-77-tim-sylvia-visits-xtreme-couture-to-train-for-brandon-vera/#comment-148426 I agree in the fact it will be a close fight, but i say time takes it UD or even as close as split. tim was fighting close to once a month and that is hard on a fighters body, especially a large one. W/ the time off from surgery he will come out better and more in shape. And i feel his training is greater as well. I agree in the fact it will be a close fight, but i say time takes it UD or even as close as split. tim was fighting close to once a month and that is hard on a fighters body, especially a large one. W/ the time off from surgery he will come out better and more in shape. And i feel his training is greater as well.

]]> By: washi http://mmamania.com/2007/08/31/ufc-77-tim-sylvia-visits-xtreme-couture-to-train-for-brandon-vera/#comment-146374 washi Mon, 10 Sep 2007 09:18:55 +0000 http://mmamania.com/2007/08/31/ufc-77-tim-sylvia-visits-xtreme-couture-to-train-for-brandon-vera/#comment-146374 vera will win..... he'll knock sylvia's big ass.... go filipinos go.....peace vera will win….. he’ll knock sylvia’s big ass…. go filipinos go…..peace

]]> By: halfman-halfevil http://mmamania.com/2007/08/31/ufc-77-tim-sylvia-visits-xtreme-couture-to-train-for-brandon-vera/#comment-146274 halfman-halfevil Mon, 10 Sep 2007 04:30:13 +0000 http://mmamania.com/2007/08/31/ufc-77-tim-sylvia-visits-xtreme-couture-to-train-for-brandon-vera/#comment-146274 [quote comment="139611"]i'm going to go out on a limb here and say that i'm the only one on this site who is a Sylvia fan! i hope he crushes vera with a couple overhand rights and exposes him for what he is: a overrated fighter. Sylvia is a beast and I hope he has 100% recovered from the back surgery and staph infection. Go Timmy ~ MFS rules all[/quote] yo, i assure you, sylvia will fall on his knees begging for his life... the truth will deliver a massive punching clinic to the lamiac sylvia!!! are you feeling me?!! [quote comment=”139611″]i’m going to go out on a limb here and say that i’m the only one on this site who is a Sylvia fan! i hope he crushes vera with a couple overhand rights and exposes him for what he is: a overrated fighter. Sylvia is a beast and I hope he has 100% recovered from the back surgery and staph infection. Go Timmy ~ MFS rules all[/quote]

yo,

i assure you, sylvia will fall on his knees begging for his life… the truth will deliver a massive punching clinic to the lamiac sylvia!!! are you feeling me?!!

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