Needs to improve his game now that the Heavey weight division is the most stacked. And when Fedor signs. No way does Tim have a shot.

I agree, he won’t get past Vera. He’s too slow. Hope Brandon finishes him.

If he can get a good game plan from Randy Couture and execute it then I can see him pulling out a Win but thats being pretty generous.

I hope Fedor remembers that Tim called him a “tiny little shit” (i think)

off subject but – if fedor lost to someone other than randy, will they (fans) say it was a fluke – say Sylvia or Arlovski KO’d him in the first, very possible, will they accept Fedor got beat by the better fighter?

somehow i think people will say it was a fluke if indeed he does ever get KO’d

I hope that Sylvia learns a lot from Xtreme Couture. I, like many, think that Sylvia is a giant tool, but they guy is a former champion. Hopefully he can improve on his game and become a contenter again.

i’m going to go out on a limb here and say that i’m the only one on this site who is a Sylvia fan! i hope he crushes vera with a couple overhand rights and exposes him for what he is: a overrated fighter. Sylvia is a beast and I hope he has 100% recovered from the back surgery and staph infection. Go Timmy ~ MFS rules all

I think that Tim will fight better now that he’s not the champ. I gotta say that I was very displeased with his performances as the title holder, his blatent style of fighting not to lose instead of going for the big win really put me in a figurative sleeper hold- ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ…

I think now that he has to really go out there and prove himself as a guy who can still compete in the UFC’s new stacked heavy weight division is going to light a fire under him to do more than survive.

On the Fedor off subject remark: Ain’t gonna happen. I’ve been anxiously awaiting the day for Dana White to anounce that they have landed Fedor int he UFC’s ranks and when that day comes I believe that we’ll see the likes of Champion Vs Champion 2 with Couture Vs Fedor. (salivates) So in the very highly unlikely event that Fedor would have to come in and prove himself to American fans by facing Arlovski or Sylvia do you really think based on those guy’s last performances that either of them could really KO the Russian Experiment? Just throwing that out there

If I had to pick, I’d actually going with Sylvia in this one. I think Vera’s overconfidence will have him on his feet vs. Sylvia to try to use his speed. If he does that, he is done. Like Sylvia or not he is a powerful striker with a lot of great tools like a stiff right and long limbs. His reach advantage against Vera alone can and should be used as the basis of his strategy against Vera.

Is the Miletich camp falling apart? Jens Pulver leaves them to train with BJ in Hawaii (that had to piss of the Miletich camp) and now Tim leaves. Add to that the outbreak of staph infection and that place is going down.

good point about Miletich, doesn’t help that Hughes is forming his own gym as well.

Is it even possible for Tim to look cut?

Anyway, I just dont really even care what he does anymore. The division just up and left him with all of its new talent. It was a good run Timmy. Go home now.

Tim should leave MFS Elite…if you can’t beat em, join em!!!

[quote comment="139611"]i’m going to go out on a limb here and say that i’m the only one on this site who is a Sylvia fan![/quote]Naa man, I like Sylvia… us Giants gotta look out for one and other. He looks good in this picture too… looks like he slimmed down.

I think Sylvia’s ground game is EXTREMELY underestimated. Take the Yawnfest that was the Monson fight. He pretty much had his way with Monson on the ground, granted he already tore Monson’s bicep but its saying something to handle one of the strongest men in MMA and best wrestlers.

Tim will still be a player in the HW division IF… he is more intense like he was early on. Kinda funny, but Henderson was on the BTLS show the other day, Bubba was talking about Arlovski and Sylvia when Henderson agreed that both of them lost something in the aggression side. You give either of those guys back the fire they had early on, and it doesnt matter who they face, they would have a shot.

[quote comment="139611"]i’m going to go out on a limb here and say that i’m the only one on this site who is a Sylvia fan! i hope he crushes vera with a couple overhand rights and exposes him for what he is: a overrated fighter. Sylvia is a beast and I hope he has 100% recovered from the back surgery and staph infection. Go Timmy ~ MFS rules all[/quote]
I totally agree. I watched one of Veras fights last night, not impressed. And everyone acts like Tim is out of the picture. The man just lost the belt, how can he be washed up. He’s alot tuffer than people give him credit. I think his fight with Randy was like GSP’s first fight with Hughes,just wasn’t right mentally.

Im glad to see Tim doing this. Fighters that train and stay only at their home gym will never keep getting better.

This shows a big part on Tim’s character that he is trying to get better.

What do you expect, if im not mistaken, this time last year that camp had THREE belts
Silvia
Hughes
Franklin

All gone

I love it how in the picture, the guy on the right, is wearing a Jorge Gurgel T-Shirt.

All the girls that visit this site must be going crazy and getting all moist from seeing a picture of BOTH, Tim ‘Swamp Foot’ Sylvia and Mike ‘The Pimple’ Whitehead.

One can go to a down sydrome convention and find better looking guys than these two!

It looks like they are both drunk, hanging out a house party. I wonder if they woke up beside each other still embracing.

Bring back the Tim Silvia that threw down against Cabbage, and I will gladly watch him fight… Tim needs that fire, and the fact that he can go to the guy he lost his title too must be pretty humbling. He must be aware that he is far from a title fight, and have the fire to make a title run through a few guys if he went to Couture for help.

I think it will be too late for Sylvia to gain the tools he will need to beat Vera. Quick feet, and conditioning. Vera will utilize leg kicks and Tim will have to capitalize on straight rights, if that fails, rushing Vera and smothering him will be the backup. Xtreme Couture will tell him this, he just isnt smart enough to listen.

[quote comment="139680"]All the girls that visit this site must be going crazy and getting all moist from seeing a picture of BOTH, Tim ‘Swamp Foot’ Sylvia and Mike ‘The Pimple’ Whitehead.

One can go to a down sydrome convention and find better looking guys than these two![/quote]

DAMN! I’m a straight guy, and even I got hard!

[quote comment="139693"]I think it will be too late for Sylvia to gain the tools he will need to beat Vera. Quick feet, and conditioning. Vera will utilize leg kicks and Tim will have to capitalize on straight rights, if that fails, rushing Vera and smothering him will be the backup. Xtreme Couture will tell him this, he just isnt smart enough to listen.[/quote]

Ya, he should have started with Couture 20 yrs ago. haha

I would be surprised if he was smart enough to pull a win. I am sure Randy would know how to beat Vera. Who knows, Tim may be one of those guys that follows a good gameplan well… and not smart enough to improvise his own??

[quote comment="139635"]Is the Miletich camp falling apart? Jens Pulver leaves them to train with BJ in Hawaii (that had to piss of the Miletich camp) and now Tim leaves. Add to that the outbreak of staph infection and that place is going down.[/quote]
Is pulver really training with BJ?

[quote post="3207"]It looks like they are both drunk, hanging out a house party. I wonder if they woke up beside each other still embracing. [/quote]

I bet. And its not like they are posing in a fighting position in the picture. Its looks more like:

“Last night we took turns ‘fisting’ each other. I used this fist, and he used that fist. Ewwwwww, you’re still smell like poopy!”

[quote post="3207"]“Last night we took turns “fisting’ each other. I used this fist, and he used that fist. Ewwwwww, you’re still smell like poopy!”[/quote]

I hate you for putting that image in my head.

im tired of sylvia, he hasn’t made any exciting fights and he wasn’t getting better of his performance lately, vera’s gonna chop and timber his lanky ass legs down!

good to hear that there are still some timmy fans out there – i definately hope he comes back like the dude that picked apart wesley “cement head” corrirea and ricco not to mention kicking “one tits” head off. he’s a beast and used to be exciting as hell to watch, plus he’s a friggin monster!

oh yeah ~ not to mention impressive ko’s over the “giant” and the “pitbull”

my prediction: timmy by straight right KO in rd 2!

[quote comment="139655"][quote comment="139611"]i’m going to go out on a limb here and say that i’m the only one on this site who is a Sylvia fan! i hope he crushes vera with a couple overhand rights and exposes him for what he is: a overrated fighter. Sylvia is a beast and I hope he has 100% recovered from the back surgery and staph infection. Go Timmy ~ MFS rules all[/quote]
I totally agree. I watched one of Veras fights last night, not impressed. And everyone acts like Tim is out of the picture. The man just lost the belt, how can he be washed up. He’s alot tuffer than people give him credit. I think his fight with Randy was like GSP’s first fight with Hughes,just wasn’t right mentally.[/quote]

AND WHICH FIGHT WAS THAT? Oh and u must be impressed by Tim’s last 5 fights right??? HAHAHAHAAHAH! (Arlovksi submits him 1st round , then almost KO’s him but tim lands a lucky punch, then Boring fight with Arlovski, then even more of a boring fight with monson, then a complete annihilation by Couture who he had a huge reach on and was younger.) and you say your not impressed with Vera?? Veras undefeated and has ended his last couple fights in very impressive fashion. Sure he hasnt been tested other than Frank Mir but you will see that Vera is going to kill Tim Sylvia!! If anything, Sylvias the one thats overrated.

I don’t think MFS is “falling apart”. I just think they’ve had the same guys for so long that it starts to get stale. MFS trainers need new up-and-comers to train, and MFS fighters should look to improve their game with other trainers. If I was a fighter, I’d be going around the world training with different people.

I think we might see vera have a real hard time with that reach. there aren’t that many guys who stay in range like randy.

Gene – what im asking is, if it did happen – would everyone say it was a fluke? – by the sounds of it you would

Tim is going to need all the help he can get….he has his hands full with Vera.

[quote post="3207"]AND WHICH FIGHT WAS THAT? Oh and u must be impressed by Tim’s last 5 fights right??? HAHAHAHAAHAH! (Arlovksi submits him 1st round , then almost KO’s him but tim lands a lucky punch, then Boring fight with Arlovski, then even more of a boring fight with monson, then a complete annihilation by Couture who he had a huge reach on and was younger.) and you say your not impressed with Vera?? Veras undefeated and has ended his last couple fights in very impressive fashion. Sure he hasnt been tested other than Frank Mir but you will see that Vera is going to kill Tim Sylvia!! If anything, Sylvias the one thats overrated. [/quote]

There are NO lucky punches – he tried to hit him in the face and he did! and imho the randy fight is moot, he needed back surgery which has gotta be tough, especially for a guy of his size and he still fought! he could of been like sherk and not fought for a year or so! i think the monson fight did suck too, but he was obviously respecting monson’s ground game and eeked out a decision. Remember when he ko’d ricco? or AA? or Cabbage (albeit he was still standing)? is he the greatest? definately not, be he can be an entertaining fighter at times!

That is quite a man embrace they got going on there.

[quote comment="139755"][quote post="3207"]AND WHICH FIGHT WAS THAT? Oh and u must be impressed by Tim’s last 5 fights right??? HAHAHAHAAHAH! (Arlovksi submits him 1st round , then almost KO’s him but tim lands a lucky punch, then Boring fight with Arlovski, then even more of a boring fight with monson, then a complete annihilation by Couture who he had a huge reach on and was younger.) and you say your not impressed with Vera?? Veras undefeated and has ended his last couple fights in very impressive fashion. Sure he hasnt been tested other than Frank Mir but you will see that Vera is going to kill Tim Sylvia!! If anything, Sylvias the one thats overrated. [/quote]

There are NO lucky punches – he tried to hit him in the face and he did! and imho the randy fight is moot, he needed back surgery which has gotta be tough, especially for a guy of his size and he still fought! he could of been like sherk and not fought for a year or so! i think the monson fight did suck too, but he was obviously respecting monson’s ground game and eeked out a decision. Remember when he ko’d ricco? or AA? or Cabbage (albeit he was still standing)? is he the greatest? definately not, be he can be an entertaining fighter at times![/quote]

Yeah i remember when he KO’s ricco to win the title. Ricco is a joke( havnt seen him in the UFC since losing his title and i know hes out of the UFC now), got damn lucky with Arlovski ( i dont care what u say and im sure others would agree), and cabbage was just a haymaker thrower with no skill other than that he could take one hellova punch. And i dont want to hear one fuckin thing about that his back was messed up in the couture fight. Sylvia talked soo much shit about putting Randy into retirement and that he was too old and blah blah blah. Regardless, Randy is more than a decade older and syliva had almost a foot reach on him which is unreal! Whats more unreal is he didnt land one clean good punch on Couture for 5 ROUNDS with that reach!!! PATHETIC!!!!

The funny thing is, people are talking about their OPINIONS on Tim Sylvia and their OPINIONS on Brandon Vera… you stating your opinion isnt gonna make that fighter win. We are gonna wait until they fight to see who is better. But make no mistake this is the BIGGEST test for Vera yet to date. He hasnt fought anyone to the caliber of Tim Sylvia (still being one of the top 5 HWs in the UFC) unless you are going to argue that Mir is to that caliber post-bike accident which you are nuts (no tossing shit at Mir, I actually LOVE Frank Mir.)

My money would be on Tim.

I’m very impressed with Vera and I’m excited to see him back so I hate to take anything away from him but he’ll have ring rust. His last match was against Mir, who still isn’t himself after his accident. Beating Justin Eilers doesn’t really impress me. His other UFC wins were big for him but he wasn’t really dominant throughout the whole match.

Tim has more experience, longer reach, MFS work ethic, now Randy’s (and possible Wandy’s) training/ game plan, I think Tim has the edge. Plus he’s going to have a lot of hunger and fire – and we’ve seen Tim with that before and it’s a scary thing. All of that combined with being a 6′8 giant, I’m going with Tim.

Stunnulator: I agree with just about everything u said!

Let Fedor get 1 warm up fight FEDOR vs. Big Tim cuz I remember tim was talkin all this shit about Fedor

On the subject of “lucky punch” since it came up on this blog:

Just because someone intended on doing something doesn’t mean the success of that something should be attributed 100% to skill.

Of course skill does play a part but if you KO one guy out of a career of matches, I would say luck played a part of that one KO (of course, skill, reflexes, training, etc. also play a part).

There are too many uncontrolled variables such as: the other fighter leaving his hands down; giving predictable head movements; being sick during training and more sucseptible to being vulnerable; or almost an infinite amount of extraneous constructs that can affect the outcome of whether the punch will land or not.

Randy’s big punch on Tim was obviously not due to luck and should be attributed to preparation and skill. He practiced that combo and landed it with a high success rate.

Liddell isn’t landing lucky shots – those too are skill. I say that, again, because of the high success rate.

If you can do something 8 out 10 times it’s not luck.

If you can’t, but somehow do pull it off once or twice with a low success percentage, luck played a part.

…so those who say “if you meant to do it and it happens” ask yourself these two questions:
If you bowl for the first time and try for a strike and get it, was it skill?
If you play the lottery and win, was it skill?
Why not? You meant to do it, right?

I admit luck plays a bigger part in those examples and skill makes up part of a pro fighter’s lucky punch but I was just making a point that luck does play a part and there can be a “lucky punch”.

I don’t get how someone can say there’s no such thing.

[quote post="3207"]I hope Fedor remembers that Tim called him a “tiny little shit” (i think)
off subject but – if fedor lost to someone other than randy, will they (fans) say it was a fluke – say Sylvia or Arlovski KO’d him in the first, very possible, will they accept Fedor got beat by the better fighter?
somehow i think people will say it was a fluke if indeed he does ever get KO’d [/quote]

If Tim Sylvia KO’s Fedor, i’ll jump off the golden gate bridge right after i sign my home, cars and business over to you! LOL

[quote comment="139611"]i’m going to go out on a limb here and say that i’m the only one on this site who is a Sylvia fan! i hope he crushes vera with a couple overhand rights and exposes him for what he is: a overrated fighter. Sylvia is a beast and I hope he has 100% recovered from the back surgery and staph infection. Go Timmy ~ MFS rules all[/quote]

I think you are the only Tim fan. What would posses you to like this guy? Kill em VERA !!!

Look out Brandon Vera. Vera should of got over there first….dumb ass!

Tim needs to go find a gym and lift a weight.
He looks like the Pillsbury Dough Boy, all flabby and no muscle.

[quote comment="139857"]Tim needs to go find a gym and lift a weight.
He looks like the Pillsbury Dough Boy, all flabby and no muscle.[/quote]
Seriously, him and Penn both have the same physique as the dough boy. How hard is it to fit in time to lift weights, damn.

[quote comment="139822"][quote post="3207"]I hope Fedor remembers that Tim called him a “tiny little shit” (i think)
off subject but – if fedor lost to someone other than randy, will they (fans) say it was a fluke – say Sylvia or Arlovski KO’d him in the first, very possible, will they accept Fedor got beat by the better fighter?
somehow i think people will say it was a fluke if indeed he does ever get KO’d [/quote]

If Tim Sylvia KO’s Fedor, i’ll jump off the golden gate bridge right after i sign my home, cars and business over to you! LOL[/quote]

hows about i draw up a legally binding contract and i’ll gladly take you car house and business LOL

I cant believe people even put the word “caliber” in the same sentence as “Tim”. The only context I see that word fits is when deciding what “caliber” of an ooff!! is Tim.

I watch the Vera fight last night on UFC released and to be honest was not impressed. It seemed to me that Assurelio was doing good til he gave his head and neck for the guillatine(spell check) choke.

At this point I dont care who wins between the two of them I dont see either as a serious threat for the Title.

i hope tim crushes the overrated vera..

Vera is still gonna whoop that rednecks a$$.. Tim is garbage and way to overated

[quote comment="139922"]i hope tim crushes the overrated vera..[/quote]

Tim is the overated one.. who has he beat??? other then andre arloviski .. Tim Sucks!!!

[quote comment="139865"][quote comment="139857"]Tim needs to go find a gym and lift a weight.
He looks like the Pillsbury Dough Boy, all flabby and no muscle.[/quote]
Seriously, him and Penn both have the same physique as the dough boy. How hard is it to fit in time to lift weights, damn.[/quote]

Clearly, some on this site know next to nothing about genetics. People have different builds…not everyone can be muscular. How many guys out there are as flexible as bj penn? Physique has very little to do with actual strength…take a look at the successful powerlifters, very few of them are cut athletes. Besides that, those guys who are always making fun of Sylvia’s body – you need to figure out your sexuality. News flash boys, MMA is a sport. If you wanna see well built men, there are other places to look. Good luck with that.

In my humble opinion, Sylvia will take this fight. Both him and Vera are great young fighters; but Sylvia has the experience, the size, and the training to destroy Vera. It will still be a decent fight.

Tim Silvia will KO Brandon Vera. The simple truth is, if Silvia hits Vera, he’s going to go to sleep. Night night, sweet dreams. The only chance Vera has will be on da ground by sub which could happen. There is NO WAY Vera can stand with Silvia. No Way.

[quote comment="139599"]I hope Fedor remembers that Tim called him a “tiny little shit” (i think)

off subject but – if fedor lost to someone other than randy, will they (fans) say it was a fluke – say Sylvia or Arlovski KO’d him in the first, very possible, will they accept Fedor got beat by the better fighter?

somehow i think people will say it was a fluke if indeed he does ever get KO’d[/quote]

From my personal perspective, a fighter getting KO’d doesnt mean he lost to the better fighter, it means he got punched hard enough to get put to sleep. 9 times out of 10 during a fight, both fighters will get punched in the face several times throughout the bout. Just because one fighter happens to have more punching power doesnt always make him superior to his opponent. I actually base my comparisons on overall skill level 1st then athleticism & so-on. I usually think to myself, “if they were both the same size & weight, who would win”? and then i take it from there.

[quote comment="139611"]i’m going to go out on a limb here and say that i’m the only one on this site who is a Sylvia fan! i hope he crushes vera with a couple overhand rights and exposes him for what he is: a overrated fighter. Sylvia is a beast and I hope he has 100% recovered from the back surgery and staph infection. Go Timmy ~ MFS rules all[/quote]

Lol, how can you accuse any fighter of being overrated and then mention Timmy in the same sentence? If Timmy was 6′2 & weighed 230lbs he would have never been a champ or even a contender. Well……..the HW division was anemic at the time so MAYBE he would have been a contender but NEVER a champ.

- Vera certainly can take this fight…if he doesn’t he really should move down to 205 and fight at light heavy. he usually seems to look like the smaller fighter in the ring. having said that, he’s crushing everyone…makes for interesting fight vs. sylvia.

[quote comment="140031"][quote comment="139599"]I hope Fedor remembers that Tim called him a “tiny little shit” (i think)

off subject but – if fedor lost to someone other than randy, will they (fans) say it was a fluke – say Sylvia or Arlovski KO’d him in the first, very possible, will they accept Fedor got beat by the better fighter?

somehow i think people will say it was a fluke if indeed he does ever get KO’d[/quote]

From my personal perspective, a fighter getting KO’d doesnt mean he lost to the better fighter, it means he got punched hard enough to get put to sleep. 9 times out of 10 during a fight, both fighters will get punched in the face several times throughout the bout. Just because one fighter happens to have more punching power doesnt always make him superior to his opponent. I actually base my comparisons on overall skill level 1st then athleticism & so-on. I usually think to myself, “if they were both the same size & weight, who would win”? and then i take it from there.[/quote]

that still doesnt answer my question – if fedor got KO’d – would they say it was a fluke? or would they agree he got beat

[quote comment="140248"][quote comment="140031"][quote comment="139599"]I hope Fedor remembers that Tim called him a “tiny little shit” (i think)

off subject but – if fedor lost to someone other than randy, will they (fans) say it was a fluke – say Sylvia or Arlovski KO’d him in the first, very possible, will they accept Fedor got beat by the better fighter?

somehow i think people will say it was a fluke if indeed he does ever get KO’d[/quote]

From my personal perspective, a fighter getting KO’d doesnt mean he lost to the better fighter, it means he got punched hard enough to get put to sleep. 9 times out of 10 during a fight, both fighters will get punched in the face several times throughout the bout. Just because one fighter happens to have more punching power doesnt always make him superior to his opponent. I actually base my comparisons on overall skill level 1st then athleticism & so-on. I usually think to myself, “if they were both the same size & weight, who would win”? and then i take it from there.[/quote]

that still doesnt answer my question – if fedor got KO’d – would they say it was a fluke? or would they agree he got beat[/quote]
HEEEELLLLLLLL NO. Nobody is gonna own up and admit it when Fedor loses. There will be excuses like that we have never heard.

like how you say – “When fedor loses”

[quote comment="139748"]I think we might see vera have a real hard time with that reach. there aren’t that many guys who stay in range like randy.[/quote]

Actually I think Vera might match up really well. He is a clinch fighter. Reach advantage doesn’t help at all in the clinch. Plus if he Drops some of those leg kicks….

A big guy like Vera with some strong Muay Thai skills could be pretty advantageous. He has always looked pretty dynamic to me. I think the only thing Vera will struggle with his keeping a person as big and strong as Silvia in the clinch.

Either way it should be an interesting matchup.

fedor cant beat randy

fedor barely beat babalu and he,s a LHW he hasnt fought any one with real skills pride was a bunch of UFC has beens’ and never were’s with the exception of a few guys from shute box academy and dan henderson

[quote post="3207"]fedor cant beat randy [/quote]

Now i dont know it i would go that far. But i do believe it will be a great fight. And i think tim is gonna own vera. Tim is a good fighter when he fights. When he had the title he didn’t do much fighting. I not a silva fan but im gonna have to go with silva on this one.

[quote post="3207"]If I had to pick, I’d actually going with Sylvia in this one. I think Vera’s overconfidence will have him on his feet vs. Sylvia to try to use his speed. If he does that, he is done. Like Sylvia or not he is a powerful striker with a lot of great tools like a stiff right and long limbs. His reach advantage against Vera alone can and should be used as the basis of his strategy against Vera.[/quote]

I don’t think Vera is overconfident, he’s confident ,but he knows Tim is dangerous. How many times did Randy tee off on Tims head, I’m sure Vera could do the same. Add to that a couple of leathal feet and knees and Vera’s speed ,Tim will be overwhelmed. Vera will be one of the few to finish the 6′8″ knockout artist.

[quote post="3207"]Rob
Aug 31st, 2007 at 1:23 pm Quote this comment
On the subject of “lucky punch” since it came up on this blog:
Just because someone intended on doing something doesn’t mean the success of that something should be attributed 100% to skill.
Of course skill does play a part but if you KO one guy out of a career of matches, I would say luck played a part of that one KO (of course, skill, reflexes, training, etc. also play a part).
There are too many uncontrolled variables such as: the other fighter leaving his hands down; giving predictable head movements; being sick during training and more sucseptible to being vulnerable; or almost an infinite amount of extraneous constructs that can affect the outcome of whether the punch will land or not.
Randy’s big punch on Tim was obviously not due to luck and should be attributed to preparation and skill. He practiced that combo and landed it with a high success rate.
Liddell isn’t landing lucky shots – those too are skill. I say that, again, because of the high success rate.
If you can do something 8 out 10 times it’s not luck.
If you can’t, but somehow do pull it off once or twice with a low success percentage, luck played a part.
…so those who say “if you meant to do it and it happens” ask yourself these two questions:
If you bowl for the first time and try for a strike and get it, was it skill?
If you play the lottery and win, was it skill?
Why not? You meant to do it, right?
I admit luck plays a bigger part in those examples and skill makes up part of a pro fighter’s lucky punch but I was just making a point that luck does play a part and there can be a “lucky punch”.
I don’t get how someone can say there’s no such thing. [/quote]
Lotteries are nothing but luck(no skill involved). The whole point of a fight is to punch your opponent in the head. All punches thrown are intened for your opponent, not the Referee, not someone in the crowd ,not even the judges. Your mind tells your arm, to throw your fist into their face. You wanted to do it ,you intended to do ,you know it will help you win the fight. Either you are good enough to hit the guy or your not. There is no such thing as a lucky punch. When a lesser fighter wins by KO,all that means is he wasn’t the lesser fighter that night. Remember it takes just as much skill to not get hit and we don’t say , oh that guy just had a lucky defence that night or he would have got KO’ed

[quote post="3207"]Tim Silvia will KO Brandon Vera. The simple truth is, if Silvia hits Vera, he’s going to go to sleep. Night night, sweet dreams. The only chance Vera has will be on da ground by sub which could happen. There is NO WAY Vera can stand with Silvia. No Way. [/quote]
The only thing we know for sure is Assuario Silva and Frank Mir are betting the farm on VERA.lol

[quote post="3207"]I hope Fedor remembers that Tim called him a “tiny little shit” (i think)
off subject but – if fedor lost to someone other than randy, will they (fans) say it was a fluke – say Sylvia or Arlovski KO’d him in the first, very possible, will they accept Fedor got beat by the better fighter?
somehow i think people will say it was a fluke if indeed he does ever get KO’d
From my personal perspective, a fighter getting KO’d doesnt mean he lost to the better fighter, it means he got punched hard enough to get put to sleep. 9 times out of 10 during a fight, both fighters will get punched in the face several times throughout the bout. Just because one fighter happens to have more punching power doesnt always make him superior to his opponent. I actually base my comparisons on overall skill level 1st then athleticism & so-on. I usually think to myself, “if they were both the same size & weight, who would win”? and then i take it from there.
that still doesnt answer my question – if fedor got KO’d – would they say it was a fluke? or would they agree he got beat
HEEEELLLLLLLL NO. Nobody is gonna own up and admit it when Fedor loses. There will be excuses like that we have never heard. [/quote]
You said it, there will be so many excuces , Mania will have to add a few hundred gigs of storage just to handle them all.

Tim Silvia was the worst champ I ever seen. Never did he fight to win only just enough to keep the belt. I’m a hugh Couture Fan and I was glad to see Randy run over Tim Silvia. And if you have see Brandon Vera fight you would know Tim is in for the same thing can’t wait to see it.

I hope Vera stops Tim “The Lamiac” S.

NO WORRIES !!

wont do em any good he still has loss on his mind and knows he’ll never be champ again ..but for vera a bigg step towards big nog,herring,randy….gabe etc…

vera is a complete fighter.. no way he will be beaten by tim. BV will win in 2nd via KO knee strikes..

CHAMPION VS CHAMPION This Saterday can’t wait going to be great. And A tough fight but I’m pulling for Rampage. Going to be one for the book’s.

Brandon Vera first round KO.

the truth will definately beat sylvia’s ass and i can’t wait to see it. tim wont see a title shot no time soon in the ufc. hahaha. the truth will make a statement to all heavyweights come october. mark my words

[[quote post="3207"]quote comment=”140562″][quote post="3207"]Tim Silvia will KO Brandon Vera. The simple truth is, if Silvia hits Vera, he’s going to go to sleep. Night night, sweet dreams. The only chance Vera has will be on da ground by sub which could happen. There is NO WAY Vera can stand with Silvia. No Way[/quote]
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The only thing we know for sure is Assuario Silva and Frank Mir are betting the farm on VERA.lol[/quote]

Vera is the better fighter… tim “the lamiac” sylvia is the worst ufc heavyweight cgamp i’ve ever seen… vera will knock out sylvia, definitely a hard straight will put him to sleep forever… hahaha!!! BV is the real deal!!! are you feeling me?!!

[quote comment="140549"][quote post="3207"]If I had to pick, I’d actually going with Sylvia in this one. I think Vera’s overconfidence will have him on his feet vs. Sylvia to try to use his speed. If he does that, he is done. Like Sylvia or not he is a powerful striker with a lot of great tools like a stiff right and long limbs. His reach advantage against Vera alone can and should be used as the basis of his strategy against Vera.[/quote]

I don’t think Vera is overconfident, he’s confident ,but he knows Tim is dangerous. How many times did Randy tee off on Tims head, I’m sure Vera could do the same. Add to that a couple of leathal feet and knees and Vera’s speed ,Tim will be overwhelmed. Vera will be one of the few to finish the 6′8″ knockout artist.[/quote]

wanna bet for $1000 on the fight? i’ll go for vera!!!

[quote comment="139611"]i’m going to go out on a limb here and say that i’m the only one on this site who is a Sylvia fan! i hope he crushes vera with a couple overhand rights and exposes him for what he is: a overrated fighter. Sylvia is a beast and I hope he has 100% recovered from the back surgery and staph infection. Go Timmy ~ MFS rules all[/quote]

yo,

i assure you, sylvia will fall on his knees begging for his life… the truth will deliver a massive punching clinic to the lamiac sylvia!!! are you feeling me?!!

vera will win….. he’ll knock sylvia’s big ass…. go filipinos go…..peace

I agree in the fact it will be a close fight, but i say time takes it UD or even as close as split. tim was fighting close to once a month and that is hard on a fighters body, especially a large one. W/ the time off from surgery he will come out better and more in shape. And i feel his training is greater as well.

[quote comment="140561"][quote post="3207"]Rob
Aug 31st, 2007 at 1:23 pm Quote this comment
On the subject of “lucky punch” since it came up on this blog:
Just because someone intended on doing something doesn’t mean the success of that something should be attributed 100% to skill.
Of course skill does play a part but if you KO one guy out of a career of matches, I would say luck played a part of that one KO (of course, skill, reflexes, training, etc. also play a part).
There are too many uncontrolled variables such as: the other fighter leaving his hands down; giving predictable head movements; being sick during training and more sucseptible to being vulnerable; or almost an infinite amount of extraneous constructs that can affect the outcome of whether the punch will land or not.
Randy’s big punch on Tim was obviously not due to luck and should be attributed to preparation and skill. He practiced that combo and landed it with a high success rate.
Liddell isn’t landing lucky shots – those too are skill. I say that, again, because of the high success rate.
If you can do something 8 out 10 times it’s not luck.
If you can’t, but somehow do pull it off once or twice with a low success percentage, luck played a part.
…so those who say “if you meant to do it and it happens” ask yourself these two questions:
If you bowl for the first time and try for a strike and get it, was it skill?
If you play the lottery and win, was it skill?
Why not? You meant to do it, right?
I admit luck plays a bigger part in those examples and skill makes up part of a pro fighter’s lucky punch but I was just making a point that luck does play a part and there can be a “lucky punch”.
I don’t get how someone can say there’s no such thing. [/quote]
Lotteries are nothing but luck(no skill involved). The whole point of a fight is to punch your opponent in the head. All punches thrown are intened for your opponent, not the Referee, not someone in the crowd ,not even the judges. Your mind tells your arm, to throw your fist into their face. You wanted to do it ,you intended to do ,you know it will help you win the fight. Either you are good enough to hit the guy or your not. There is no such thing as a lucky punch. When a lesser fighter wins by KO,all that means is he wasn’t the lesser fighter that night. Remember it takes just as much skill to not get hit and we don’t say , oh that guy just had a lucky defence that night or he would have got KO’ed[/quote]

Very well said. I do have to mention that by no means am I or do I pretend to be a fight expert. With that said, I mess around with the boxing gloves with some of the guys once in a while. Many of my friends are way more athletically inclined that I am and I’ve landed a lucky punch before and ended a sparring session.

Test my theory and take a basketball to a basketball court. Shoot from the half way point. I bet you may make it now and then but in most cases, you wont make a basket. There is skill involved but my point is, luck plays a role – especially if your percentage is low.

Of course, as you practice and develope your skill level, you’ll make more and luck will play less of a role.

Come on, I’ve seen KOs when guys have their eyes closed and just swing – is that 100% skill? It does take skill to avoid the punch but the puncher has almost no control over the opponents skill level.

There most definitely such a thing as luck in a fight (or any competition for that matter).

My point with the lottery example was simply to say that the argument of “because you tried” doesn’t defitively say that luck doesn’t attribute anything to it. Maybe it was a bad example even though it can be mathematically proven that skill can be applied.

I’ve been saying for years since I saw Brandon Vera vs Fabiano Scherner @ ufc fight night 2 that he would hold the heavyweight title and in the future the lightheavyweight title. And I think that if he wins @ UFC 77 he will get a title shot against Randy Couture. Personally I think Vera matches up well against Couture, Vera is great in the clinch with strikes, as exibited in his fight with Scherner, he’s good with submissions if Couture brings it to the ground, as shown in his fight with Assuerio Silva as well has his numerous submission contest victories and if Couture keeps his distance, which is unlikely, Vera si a great striker from a distance. However in my time spent following the sport I’ve learned one thing, never count out Randy Couture against anyone. As far as Vera vs Sylvia Vera should take a simmilar standup approach to his fight with Scherner, get in the clinch and destroy him with knees to the bodyuntil Sylvia drops his hands to protect himself and hit him with a knee to the head. But in this fight Vera won’t have to fear going th the ground like he did with Scherner and may look to submit Sylvia.

people can say whatever they want to say but one thing is certain.. vera will win…. sylvia is just a huge piece of shit… vera is the bomb…. just as the saying goes ” the truth hurts “….peace… vera would give sylvia a hard right hand, go to the thai clinch then knee him on the head… its like automatic…. vera did that to almost all of his opponent…. he’ll do that to sylvia too……

[quote post="3207"]I’ve been saying for years since I saw Brandon Vera vs Fabiano Scherner @ ufc fight night 2 that he would hold the heavyweight title and in the future the lightheavyweight title. And I think that if he wins @ UFC 77 he will get a title shot against Randy Couture. Personally I think Vera matches up well against Couture, Vera is great in the clinch with strikes, as exibited in his fight with Scherner, he’s good with submissions if Couture brings it to the ground, as shown in his fight with Assuerio Silva as well has his numerous submission contest victories and if Couture keeps his distance, which is unlikely, Vera si a great striker from a distance. However in my time spent following the sport I’ve learned one thing, never count out Randy Couture against anyone. As far as Vera vs Sylvia Vera should take a simmilar standup approach to his fight with Scherner, get in the clinch and destroy him with knees to the bodyuntil Sylvia drops his hands to protect himself and hit him with a knee to the head. But in this fight Vera won’t have to fear going th the ground like he did with Scherner and may look to submit Sylvia. [/quote]
Hey DB, I said the same thing the first time I seen Vera fight. I also said that GSP would be a champion after watching him fight once. Vera will finish Tim, he doesn’t let it go to the judges.

[quote post="3207"]people can say whatever they want to say but one thing is certain.. vera will win…. sylvia is just a huge piece of shit… vera is the bomb…. just as the saying goes ” the truth hurts “….peace… vera would give sylvia a hard right hand, go to the thai clinch then knee him on the head… its like automatic…. vera did that to almost all of his opponent…. he’ll do that to sylvia too……[/quote]
Not only does the Truth hurt ,but the Truth will prevail.

[quote post="3207"]Test my theory and take a basketball to a basketball court. Shoot from the half way point. I bet you may make it now and then but in most cases, you wont make a basket. There is skill involved but my point is, luck plays a role – especially if your percentage is low.
Of course, as you practice and develope your skill level, you’ll make more and luck will play less of a role.[/quote]
Test my theory, Give a baby a basketball , and get it to shoot from the halfway point and see how many baskets it makes by luck, because I think it’s fair to say, a baby would have zero skill. Either babies aren’t lucky at all, or maybe luck has nothing to do with it. This is a scientific way to prove if luck plays a part. If you take someone with no skill and they can’t get a result ,then luck DOESN’T play a part. There are only different levels of skill , not more or less luck.

[quote comment="153207"][quote post="3207"]Test my theory and take a basketball to a basketball court. Shoot from the half way point. I bet you may make it now and then but in most cases, you wont make a basket. There is skill involved but my point is, luck plays a role – especially if your percentage is low.
Of course, as you practice and develope your skill level, you’ll make more and luck will play less of a role.[/quote]
Test my theory, Give a baby a basketball , and get it to shoot from the halfway point and see how many baskets it makes by luck, because I think it’s fair to say, a baby would have zero skill. Either babies aren’t lucky at all, or maybe luck has nothing to do with it. This is a scientific way to prove if luck plays a part. If you take someone with no skill and they can’t get a result ,then luck DOESN’T play a part. There are only different levels of skill , not more or less luck.[/quote]

Well, the baby example isn’t really a great example. A baby lacks the cognative ability to participate in that study and lacks the physical development to do much with a basketball. No scientific scholar would ever say that’s a scientific way to test luck. But it’s nice to see someone write with good writing and analytical skills.

Give the baby something he or she pick up, get the baby to throw it into a basket at a close range within it’s physical capabilities, and even with zero skill, it might make it in.

There are way too many extraneous variables to say skill has everything to do with the success of any physical activity, including landing a punch. If you look up what luck actually means, all it is a chance happening of furtunate or adverse events. With that said, in the english language, there can be a lucky anything. Including a lucky punch.

Granted, the way it’s used sometimes makes it seem like a lucky punch means no skill – which of course isn’t the case.