Babalu put a clinic on David heath, the choke out was uncalled for, but i glad babalu won. If you like Babalu download this fight , Babalu was impressive (until the Choke)

whats the big issue! every one was saying how he looked like a serial killer recently, the dood is angry, as for the fine, im sure he couldnt care less…as long as he won - hes an animal - thats what all mma fighters should be like

[quote comment=”135154″]whats the big issue! every one was saying how he looked like a serial killer recently, the dood is angry, as for the fine, im sure he couldnt care less…as long as he won - hes an animal - thats what all mma fighters should be like[/quote]

I dont know, apparently Heath and Babalu got in to it at the weight in, he only held on a couple of seconds after he tapped, he might have been caught up in the moment shit happens heath is okay, lets see The Babalu last night rematch Shogun!

[quote comment=”135154″]whats the big issue! every one was saying how he looked like a serial killer recently, the dood is angry, as for the fine, im sure he couldnt care less…as long as he won - hes an animal - thats what all mma fighters should be like[/quote]

What do you mean what is the big issue? So the NSAC and the UFC are supposed to do nothing when someone ignores one of the most crucial rules of the sport that protects its fighters? He needs to be made an example of. I could care less if he’s angry, he needs to be broke. I think what he did was amateurish and unprofessional.

[quote comment=”135154″]whats the big issue! every one was saying how he looked like a serial killer recently, the dood is angry, as for the fine, im sure he couldnt care less…as long as he won - hes an animal - thats what all mma fighters should be like[/quote]

You are exactly the reason why this sport has regulations. If everyone acted like Babalu did last night, this sport would be long gone by now. The fact that he held on until Heath was out cold should get Sobral fined and suspended.

What if David Heath wasn’t fine? This sport would be fucked. Your supposed to get rid of your hard feelings during the fight. Babalu just got arrested in Miami for assualting a bouncer and now he does this? The guy is an idiot…

[quote post=”3147″]he might have been caught up in the moment shit happens heath is okay,[/quote]

Didn’t Babalu say afterwards that he held on on purpose? I understand being in the moment (a la trying to submit Big John), but a carotid choke can be deadly. I was a Sobral fan but I’d be more than happy to never see him fight again.

I agree with Jackie, there is no excuse for that. Sobral needs to be suspended and fined. Its people like him that give the sport a bad name. Barbarians, human cockfighting, etc. Sobral risks hurting the entire sport doing something like that. Don’t bite the hand that feeds you.

Putting a “clinic” on a guy and forcing him to submit is all Sobral needed to do to “teach him respect.” But refusing to release the choke after Heath tapped, Sobral perhaps showed exactly why Heath — and now others — don’t respect him.

Some people haven’t gotten it through their DENSE heads yet that MMA fighting is not BAR fighting. Not to be overly dramatic, but I’ve lost any respect I had for Sobral.

Bottom Line- I don’t want to see any fighter act like that, especially when the cameras are rolling. Maybe it’s me, but on the surface everyone and their mother in MMA has been trying to showcase the “gentlemenly” nature of the sport, beyond the combat. This incident is only going to give more ammo to everyone that is trying to surpress the growth of the MMA world, which is going to effect everyones pay day when it’s all said and done anyway. Where else do two highly talented fighters get after it for 15 mins and then embrace as a sign of mutual respect. That’s why I enjoy MMA.

Babalu obviously needs some “nice” pounded into him
And the nicest fighter i know of is Randy Couture.
DANA - give RENATO a F*%#*& lesson in sportsmanship via the Natural’s School of ediquette (sp?). Or give him back to Chuck for another knock out. Just a little way of saying thanks for the pain in my ass for the next 3 years of interviews with right wing media.

what in the bloody hell was going through his mind….

Typical, all the controversy surrounding a fight that they didn’t air. They need to cut out all the prefight hype during the ppv. I mean honestly, we’ve already bought the fight, we don’t need anymore buildup. Is there anyway to see this fight on the web or something?

[quote comment=”135172″]Typical, all the controversy surrounding a fight that they didn’t air. They need to cut out all the prefight hype during the ppv. I mean honestly, we’ve already bought the fight, we don’t need anymore buildup. Is there anyway to see this fight on the web or something?[/quote]

Ufc.com, ufc on demand

Heath is my buddy…Sobral is a piece of shit and im gonna fuck him up for this!

Ok but Royce gracie gets no shit for the million times hes done this, watch the fight its over exaggerated, it was like 3 seconds longer after he tapped

I want to see the video before I pick a side; it’s the only important one I can’t find.

There’s a line, for the satey of the fighters, Sobral crossed it - case closed.

[quote comment=”135181″]I want to see the video before I pick a side; it’s the only important one I can’t find.[/quote]

its not that dramatic i bet half these people have not watched the fight!

I honestly cant wait to see Babalu fight Again

[quote comment=”135174″]Heath is my buddy…Sobral is a piece of shit and im gonna fuck him up for this![/quote]

Really

I thought I heard during the airing last night that all the prelim fights would be on ufc.com for free…. anyone?

[quote comment=”135189″]I thought I heard during the airing last night that all the prelim fights would be on ufc.com for free…. anyone?[/quote]

Not free.

http://video.ufc.com/default.aspx

It’s conduct like this that will put UFC in bad light. Babalu is a cocky brash guy all around. This “bad boy” image won’t sit well with the public in general. Most want to root for guys like Couture who is always polite and tactful. This is why Randy is the poster boy for the sport. If the sport was full of Babalus and the like, it wouldn’t be where it is at today.

does anyone know which fight put all that blood on the mat?? and damn i wish i could have seen all the other fights, somehow they have to fix that problem…

[quote comment=”135199″]does anyone know which fight put all that blood on the mat?? and damn i wish i could have seen all the other fights, somehow they have to fix that problem…[/quote]

The heath and Babalu fight, Babalu fucked heath up

What did I say last night right after that Babalu fight? Remember Mania? I told you all that he held a choke for at least 10 seconds longer than he should of, and I thought he would be either suspended or fined heavily.

Babalu is one of my favorite favorites, but doing that put a blemish on him for me.

It was horrible to witness it last night.

[quote comment=”135199″]does anyone know which fight put all that blood on the mat?? and damn i wish i could have seen all the other fights, somehow they have to fix that problem…[/quote]

Heath-Babalu.

[quote comment=”135183″]its not that dramatic i bet half these people have not watched the fight![/quote]
The guy was CONSCIOUS while tapping and UNCONSCIOUS after Sobral refused to let go.

I’d say that was pretty dramatic.

Nothing pisses me off more than the fact that the UFC makes you sit through a half hour of pre-fight garbage after the scheduled start time, yet doesn’t show the undercards, when we already paid to watch the fucking PPV.

Not to mention, Babalu on the untelevised undercard? Didn’t he fight for the title less than a year ago? What the fuck.

BJ Penn did it recently to Pulver with no consequences. The UFC has to be consistent when it comes to punishing fighters who continue to fight after an obvious stoppage of combat. McFedries is another who suffered no consequences for excessiveness. As for Sobral he says he did it to get Heath’s respect well now it is time to get Sobral to respect the rules of the game. I say his purse gets awarded to his opponent and he gets suspended for a year.

[quote comment=”135154″]whats the big issue! every one was saying how he looked like a serial killer recently, the dood is angry, as for the fine, im sure he couldnt care less…as long as he won - hes an animal - thats what all mma fighters should be like[/quote]

Way to bring us back 10 years babalu… Now we’ll hear the human cock fighting statements again

I just watched the fight. To me it looked like he held on for about 2-3 seconds after the tap. I have seen Royce Gracie do that to a number of people and it not get the pub this has. However, that doesn’t excuse anyone. He should have let go right when he tapped, period. It was great to see him win though!

I hope they don’t make excuses for there to be a rematch/grudge match.

Sobral is an bear, don’t step into the cage with a bear, What the heck are you thinking? Unless you’re Chuck Liddell (a caveman), a bear is going to eat you.

In this sport, don’t be surprised if people do mean things and don’t apologize afterwords. I blame the UFC for putting a guy like Heath in the cage with Sobral, that was a horrible mismatch. But I guess the UFC is into mismatches lately, look at UFC 76 if you disagree.

Can somebody send me a link to the Babalu fight?

It could have been much worse, but when the ref says break - you sure as hell better break. That’s just gross. Peace out Babalu - tell the IFL we said howdy

If Babalu had come out and apologized and said that he was angry and in the moment, I could’ve accepted that (with slight reservation). My problem is that he held that choke intentionally, to teach Heath a lesson. That is just not acceptable.

Any other Mac users out there who can tell me how to watch the fights you can buy on UFC.com?

http://video.ufc.com/default.aspx

[quote comment=”135234″]BJ Penn did it recently to Pulver with no consequences. The UFC has to be consistent when it comes to punishing fighters who continue to fight after an obvious stoppage of combat. McFedries is another who suffered no consequences for excessiveness. As for Sobral he says he did it to get Heath’s respect well now it is time to get Sobral to respect the rules of the game. I say his purse gets awarded to his opponent and he gets suspended for a year.[/quote]

So we go from no punishment to a year’s suspension and a fine? Doesn’t sound to consistant to me. He held on for 2-3 seconds too long. Was that wrong? Yes. Should he be repremanded, fined? Yes. Suspended for a year? No. Let’s not pole vault over a mouse terd here. It’s not like he put him in a comma.

[quote comment=”135234″]BJ Penn did it recently to Pulver with no consequences. The UFC has to be consistent when it comes to punishing fighters who continue to fight after an obvious stoppage of combat. McFedries is another who suffered no consequences for excessiveness. As for Sobral he says he did it to get Heath’s respect well now it is time to get Sobral to respect the rules of the game. I say his purse gets awarded to his opponent and he gets suspended for a year.[/quote]

Exactly!! Penn did it and Martin Kampmann did it to Mcfedries.

It’s different for Mcfedries knocking the guy out with strikes or When Rashad ko’ed Salmon and hit him a couple times after, because the Ref hasn’t touched them, said anything to them, or got in their way pushing them away from their opponent.

Knock outs are tricky. You can knock a guy out, and then when he hits the ground, it could wake him up again. When Kendall Grove got hit by Cote he was out, but he woke up when he hit the mat. What if Cote just stopped there. If could have let Kendall recover. So, a couple strikes after a knockout is different than blatently holding a choke even as the ref is tugging at your arms.

,All American,

I just put you in a comma. Well, between some commas, anyway.

Too bad they didnt air it. I havent seen it yet, but If he held on to it for more then just 2 seconds after he tapped, then I have a big problem wit that. SHIT like That isnt gonna help our sport go mainsream. Fighters safety is always 1st. Hopefully they throw Babalu in the cage wit Shogun next and the ref should let Shogun pour on the damage before stopping the fight.

Also I say the highlights of the new TUF show although it looks entertaining, I do not believe that it portrays the fighters in a way that would please Dana white. All the punks do is destroy the house, it looked like another streetfight or 2 happened in the house.

Critics oft he UFC are just gonna throw all these incidents back in the UFC’s Face. I hope that Dana seriously repremand any fighter who does not represent themselves in a manner that will benefit the advancement of MMA into mainstream America.

Serra and Hughes seem entertaining. I would love to c Serra smash hughes.

Everybody keeps saying “Its not that bad” Steve Mazagatti was frantically trying to pull off babalu, I think it was 8 seconds total that he held it on after the fact he tapped, thats eight unessacary seconds, the guy tapped, Babalu showed no class what so ever.

How the heck can you blame the UFC, I read someone saying blame the ufc for sticking heath in with a bear, are you dumb? How can you blame the UFC for a fighter that holds on for an extra 8 seconds!!

It could of killed him, literally, and if you all think you have a realitive idea and think that it could not, I fight MMA, it could of killed him. End of story.

It wasn’t that bad, a bit of bonus choking. BJ Penn did the exact same thing to Jens.

[quote comment=”135239″]I just watched the fight. To me it looked like he held on for about 2-3 seconds after the tap. I have seen Royce Gracie do that to a number of people and it not get the pub this has. However, that doesn’t excuse anyone. He should have let go right when he tapped, period.

It was great to see him win though![/quote]

thank you

man he needs to learn respect like babulu said

[quote comment=”135264″],All American,

I just put you in a comma. Well, between some commas, anyway.[/quote]
Coma not Comma, thanks for pointing that out. Sorry.

WHY DID HEATH HAVE TO LEARN RESPECT. WHAT DID HE DO TO DISRESPECT HIM?????????????i just downloaded this fight .. gonna watch it right now.

Sounds like the same thing royce gracie did to guys back in the day.. he alwayz used to hold on to his submission then the guy taps he’d squeeze harder.

HEATH will beat him 6 out 10 times.. heath is good. just not lastnight.

JUST NOTICED they get 50 grand to win a prelim fight..WOW.

[quote comment=”135353″]HEATH will beat him 6 out 10 times.. heath is good. just not lastnight.[/quote]

no way

I would love to see stiffer fines for such cowardly acts, I remember once grace broke or hyper extended a guys arm AFTER he tapped, he was a bit of a hot headed psycho in his day like babalu. Penn also held on a little too long and he should have been fined for it, it was obvious hatred for his opponent.

well, I’m surprised everybody here forgot to mention that heath wore a shirt with babalu’s mug shot from his recent arrest down in florida. I think that should justify a little bit of nap time…

[quote comment=”135366″]well, I’m surprised everybody here forgot to mention that heath wore a shirt with babalu’s mug shot from his recent arrest down in florida. I think that should justify a little bit of nap time…[/quote]
LOL didn’t know that, pretty funny though.

[quote comment=”135366″]well, I’m surprised everybody here forgot to mention that heath wore a shirt with babalu’s mug shot from his recent arrest down in florida. I think that should justify a little bit of nap time…[/quote]
I didn’t know that. If that is the case then he got what he deserved!!!

[quote post=”3147″]well, I’m surprised everybody here forgot to mention that heath wore a shirt with babalu’s mug shot from his recent arrest down in florida. I think that should justify a little bit of nap time…[/quote]

Ah. I was wondering what idiotic thing he’d done to bait Babalu. There are some people you just don’t want to mess with and he’s at the top of the list.

[quote comment=”135180″]Ok but Royce gracie gets no shit for the million times hes done this, watch the fight its over exaggerated, it was like 3 seconds longer after he tapped[/quote]

True, but Gracie has had people claim they didn’t tap after they clearly did (Shamrock) and he started doing this (reportedly) to make sure the ref saw the tap

[quote comment=”135408″][quote post=”3147″]well, I’m surprised everybody here forgot to mention that heath wore a shirt with babalu’s mug shot from his recent arrest down in florida. I think that should justify a little bit of nap time…[/quote]

Ah. I was wondering what idiotic thing he’d done to bait Babalu. There are some people you just don’t want to mess with and he’s at the top of the list.[/quote]

I didnt know about, but If thats true, then I am not even mad at
Babalu. U dont attack a fighters personal life. Is it right to embarras an opponent by walking around wit a shirt wit Babalu’s mug shot. Heath took it to a level that it should never goto, Babalu just answered back…. U attack a fighter personally like that, what do u think he’s gonna try to do when he gets in the cage wit u.

IF those r the Facts…. Then good for Babalu
If Heath did that then he’s a trashy classless dude… sweet dreams

David heath did not seem like himself comin into this fight. I thought he was gonna do alot better. He could beat Babalu . Heath is alot better then u guys give him credit for.

Babalu Came out ready to kill him. Showed improved boxing skillz. nonstop with his attacks. He controlled the fight the whole time

2nd round Babalu was on top of heath and his punches were makin blood splatter on the ring . It was sprayin everywere on the mat. ALOT OF BLOOD. Straight up blood bath. When i was watching the payperview last night i was wondering which fight was the bloody mess cause the mat was soaked in some spots.

Then Babalu sunk in the gator roll. And he held on for exactly 4 seconds after heath taped and mazagatti grab him. Blood was pouring out cause Babalu was squeezing so hard. He put Heath to sleep and he was convulsing on the map.

People were Booing him .. One guy yelled out “you f**king a**hole. Another one yelled “you f**king suck” and another yelled “break the f**king hold you a**hole”.

DESPITE WHAT ALOT OF YOU SAY. DAVID HEATH DESERVES A REMATCH.. ALOT OF PEOPLE WANNA SEE BABALU GET PAYBACK.

BTW they joe and mike were sayin mabye josh barnett could be the next one to get signed by dana.

When I first read comments on this. I thought that Babalu had held on for like 10 seconds. After watching it again, I don’t think its as bad as people first made it out to be. I’m not condoning Babalu’s actions, but I don’t think its as bad as people are making it out to be. Royce Gracie has done worse, where the referee has had to actually wrestle him to get him to let go and people love him, so whats the deal? Also, notice that Babalu now fights under Gracie Barra Combat Team, maybe thats what instilled this nastiness. Heath shouldn’t have baited Babalu in the first place, especially not about something that went on in his personal life. When I read that Heath had worn the shirt with Babalu’s mugshot, I thought to myself, ‘I hope Heath gets his face smashed in’ (which did happen). Heath deserved to get choked out for his actions before the fight, just not in the manner that it happened. Babalu deserves to lose half the purse and possibly a fine. I’d be surprised if the UFC kicked him out as, they now have a nice little storyline to build on.

He could wear a shirt of his sister doing something x-rated it doesn’t matter, let go when the ref says. Simple. If you let people get away with things like this eventually someone will get fucked. If BJ Penn was fined this probaly wouldn’t of happened

Heath can beat little guys but you don’t mess with babalu!
Heath didn’t show any respect and deserved exactly waht he got. I think it’s disgusting jumping down banalu and screaming for him to be fired or beaten down didn’t say anythign about the B.J Penn fight. So it’s alright for B/J. to walk the line because everyone loves him but babalu takes the fall. If you even WATCH the fight you’ll notice it was mere seconds and considering heaths actions leading up to it (the mug shot) it’s not taht big of a deal. Talking about this fight bringing back “humancock fighting” obviously don’t undertsand a wonderfully fight and a bit of pay back. A fine sure..but anything else is disrespectful to the Sport! My RESPECT has grown for Babalu after this fight…He’s back!!!\

David Heath wouldn’t get pay back if he’s life depended on it…i wouldn’t even give him a punchers chance…have you ever even SEEN one of his fatigue creating fights?A lot of people want to see PAYBACK (are you freaking serious?>?..you mean you do because you don’t respect talent) KNOW or SHOULD KNOW about DAVID HEATH. Ship him off to some newbie cage because he can’t compete with the best. I’d call Renato 10th in the world for light heavy weight..and I’ll tell you in was disRESPECTful to put him in the octogon with a clown like heath. BABALU!!!!

By the way MANIA…not sure if you wrote this article but I felt the hate man and I thought it was a bit over the top. I know you write opinion stuff and I love it..even when I diagree..because you can tell you mean it…but you didn’t go after B.J or and of the other exessive stuff after fights have been clearly over. If thats the side you want to take go for it but don’t just turn on my main man babalu without going after guys who do the same thing (for even less of a reason.

And when he does that, Kizer is going to realize that $25,000 is not enough punishment.

Disgraceful.

(SERIOUSLY? or are you just trying to get a discusion brewing?)

[quote comment=”135353″]HEATH will beat him 6 out 10 times.. heath is good. just not lastnight.[/quote]
I agree 6 out of 10 times Heath will fall asleep faster than Babalu. Are you Kidding????

Heath is a bowling ball and if he wants any future in the UFC he will cut down to Middleweight. I’d say Babalu beats Heath 9.75 times out of 10..I don’t even give Heath a punchers chance..barring a Sho Gun freak accident he will always win! Did you even see that total domination of a fight…I bet they are still wiping up Heaths Blood as we SPEAK(Write)

[quote post=”3147″]IF those r the Facts…. Then good for Babalu
If Heath did that then he’s a trashy classless dude… sweet dreams[/quote]

What Heath did was classless but it is not the same as holding onto a blood choke after the guy taps. If they were not in the cage that excuse would not stand up to the law.

I think ripping Heath’s face open was brilliant and that was lesson enough.

if anyone wants to watch this fight I just found a link.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2uaae_renato-ba balu-sobral-vs-david-heath_extreme
Thats the bloodist fight I have ever seen. And I conted approx 5 seconds from the first tap. maybe 3 seconds longer than he should have. much too long IMHO

oops…*counted

that choke hold was uncalled for..but heath should also be punished to for waeing that shirt..fine bablu but suspension is too much..we need better fighters..what a waste..

I watched the fight on dailymotion, and the fine is warranted, but nothing more. Dana will prolly have a talk with Babalu and other fighters.
Don’t comment if you haven’t viewed the infraction…alot of these comments are overblown.

Ironically, Babalu will probably win “Submission of the Night”, so it evens out….

anyone know where this fight can be seen free of charge?

Really this is out of character for him. If you watch early fights he always made sure his opponent was ok after a submission (Chael Sonnen & Mike Van Arsdal) I’m still a fan but that was wrong.

I watched the video. Even though it was uncalled for and and wrong, people are making it seem like he held onto it a lot longer. Its about 1 or 2 seconds longer than penn.

it was held on about 3.5.-4 seconds after the tap.

what do you expect you talk alot of shit before a fight and all heath got what he deserved, i would have choked him to death. alot of these guys need to learn respect a quarantee u heath won’t ever talk trash before a fight again. i hope more fighters do the same break a arm or leg, put more squeeze into it eventually someone will die it’s a matter of time.

everyone who holds a choke after someone has tapped is a coward and an asshole. b.j. penn, sobral, everybody.

and there is a difference between mcfedries and sobral. sobral new he had won. with out a doubt felt the tap, felt mazigati try to pull him off. mcfedries didn’t know he had won yet and was trying to make sure the guy wasn’t just stunned.

i’m glad this happened. now we can start fining these jerks who think they can other peoples lives into their hands.

watch it here and make up your mind…
http://www.dailymotion.com/related/626004/video/x2uaae_renato-babalu-sobral-vs-david-heath_extreme

I think holding the choke was absolutely the wrong thing for him to do, especially since he plainly admitted that he did it on purpose, but I have to agree with those who have referred to this as being a bit exaggerated. When I first read about it I was shocked, but having watched the fight this morning it really did not look like that big of a deal at all. He was not being viciously aggressive or extreme with the choke and he really didn’t hold it all THAT long. Obviously he did hold on, but it’s not like it was a full 30 seconds of him squeezing with all his might or anything. Fine him, sure, you can’t just let someone walk on that, but… I’m kinda surprised that so many people even booed him at the event. I dunno…

It really wasnt that big of a deal, b ut rules are rules. Im glad he got fined, it sets an example for the rest of the atheletes. It really shouldnt of happened anyway, did the ref not notice the gallon of blood gushing out of Heaths head? As far as places on the web to watch UFC fights FOR FREE, check out http://www.watchtvsitcoms.com or http://www.dailymotion.com. The only reason I recomend watching there is because $40 is way to much money for 2.5 hours of talk and only 40 miniutes of fighting. If the UFC charges a reasonable $10 or so to watch the PPV I would fork over the cash. Did you know on Digital On-Demand cable, they are still charging $40 to watch UFC 73 (which was an absolutly worthless UFC)

Agreed, it really wasn’t that long. Not as long as i expected.

Agree with a fine, and maybe a staff meeting to tone down the pre-fight animosity hype machine.

[quote comment=”136060″]I think holding the choke was absolutely the wrong thing for him to do, especially since he plainly admitted that he did it on purpose, but I have to agree with those who have referred to this as being a bit exaggerated. When I first read about it I was shocked, but having watched the fight this morning it really did not look like that big of a deal at all. He was not being viciously aggressive or extreme with the choke and he really didn’t hold it all THAT long. Obviously he did hold on, but it’s not like it was a full 30 seconds of him squeezing with all his might or anything. Fine him, sure, you can’t just let someone walk on that, but… I’m kinda surprised that so many people even booed him at the event. I dunno…[/quote]

..I agree..but being there and watching it on video is different.. I was shocked at first 2..but watching it was like BJ/Pulver pt2. What made this worse was Heath was knocked out and Babalu admitted him not letting go on purpose..Not good. the UFC/MMA needs to address this issue now..so we don’t get these types of incidents again.

Heath ran his sucker and got choked out for it. Seen it a dozen times, if he hadn’t been bleeding so bad it wouldn’t have looked so nasty. No fine, I’d just make sure to tell him not to do that again and deal with it if he does.

This is being blown out of proportion. If Heath hadn’t been such a bloody mess it would have been the same as Penn vs Pulver.

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