“Put it this way, the UFC is where I would love to fight, but the UFC is all about protecting people. I’m hoping to get a call saying ‘Forrest Griffin can’t fight, do you want to fight Shogun?’ That’s my dream. I told them screw the money. I want to fight this and that person, but they wanted me to fight nobodys…. I will just give one name. I asked to be on the [UFC 75] card with Dan [Henderson] on free TV and I asked for Michael Bisping and they basically asked me if I was on crack.”
– In a live chat with FightHype.com free agent light heavyweight prospect Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou reveals that negotiations with the UFC fell apart when he requested match ups with top 205-pound fighters. He mentions in the article that he will be fighting next month but does not indicate for which organization. For more on “Soku” check out our archives.
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i believe that the ufc does protect it’s fighters, but that would have been a great match, they need to sign this guy, bisping would have dropped in the first round, i think shogun would have beat him though.
UFC is on crack if they don’t pick up Soku, Bisping’s jaw would be laying on the other side of the ring if he fights Soku.
Soko would KO Bisping in 45secs…
Id love to see this kinda fighter in the UFC. UFC is all about trying to insure some stability… F that, let them brawl son whoop whoop!
That would be a sick fight. I want to see that and I wouldn’t mind who wins either. Bisping would probably be handed his first loss but it would be a great fight for as long or as short as it would last. Neither guys do boring fights.
Sokoudjou’s doesn’t have a big enough name to pick his fights on the contract. Sheesh.
I’d look at him like he was on crack also.
he’s still a young and entertaining fighter he would beat M.B but him verse sho it will be great to see for free.will see him sooner than later in the ufc.
Dumbest descision of UFC’s life is not getting this guy in there.
[quote comment="129151"]Sokoudjou’s doesn’t have a big enough name to pick his fights on the contract. Sheesh.
I’d look at him like he was on crack also.[/quote]
I agree The guys 4-1 with two wins over big names. But he’s young in the game. He needs to give it some time build his career up then the fights will be up for negotiation.
Very good move from the business standpoint. Risking a Demolition of Bisping would definitely compromise the UFCs rising stake in the European market.
From a personal standpoint…Terrible move! Bisping would not hang for a minute with a beast like Soku.
Correction: The dumbest (continuing) decision is keeping Dana as president/spokesperson.
I love this guy i wish they would let him fight liddel rather then jardin i hope jardin pulls out and the Soku to step in… BUT thats just a dream
Ok, then if he isnt a big enough name, why not throw him to the high level fighters that he wants to face?
what the hell soku koed little nog and arona it doesnt matter that he has 5 fights bisbing is a nobody at all
No one in the UFC picks thier opponents. While I don’t necessarily agree with the UFC’s business practices, I agree with the UFC on this one.
Soku is on crack if he thinks he can come into the UFC with a 4-1 record and hand pick his opponents! No one is the U.S. evens knows who Soku is. Only the hardcore fans know about him and he is nuts if he thinks otherwise.
Poor old Bisping is in for another bashing in this thread I’m afraid. I like the guy and think he can become very good.
If the UFC didn’t protect certain fighters, the sport would not grow half as fast as it is growing now. Obviously its better financially to protect certain fighters, and sure, Dana and the Fertita brothers are already making millions each year, but its their business and there isn’t anything that anyone can do about it. Now that UFC and Pride are owned by the same people, it is a MMA monopoly. Top level fighters need to fight in the UFC to fight against the best in the world. Since there is no major competition, the UFC can do whatever it wants and the fans will typically stick with it.
Its good and bad that they protect some fighters:
Good for business and growth of the sport,
Bad for dedicated fans who only want to see the best battle the best.
Still there are fights where no one is being protected ( i.e. Chuck vs. Rampage, Hughes vs. St.Pierre, Kos vs. Sanchez), but its usually the rising stars or champions on a comeback trail who are protected.
Anyway, I’ll keep buying the PPV’s because I still like the UFC and they usually put on a good show.
[quote comment="129142"]Soko would KO Bisping in 45secs…
Id love to see this kinda fighter in the UFC. UFC is all about trying to insure some stability… F that, let them brawl son whoop whoop![/quote]
Yeah your right,Bisping has done nothing to proove that hes fighter with real potential has he.
How can you possibly be so sure that Bisping would be KOed in 45 seconds?
Look at his mma record he is only 4 and 1. And he thinks that he is just going to walk in an demand fights. Of course he is extremely talented. But even when Cro Cop or anyone else came over from Pride they did not step right in against the Champ If he comes in and has a dominant performance than he might get a little lee way to choose his fights.
Hey Mania,
its interesting that out of all the things said in that interview you chose the part that he wanted to fight Bisping as the headline for this blog,are you wanting people to think that maby Bisping turned down the fight coz I can tell you for a fact 100% Bisping will not turn down a fight with anyone,he wants badly to fight some bigger names and he was very disapointed to have to fight someone else off TUF3,I think TUF3 was obviously very painfull for alot of you guys seeing a Brit just walk through the entire show without a scratch on him,now its embarresing reading these blogs with people constantly trying to put him down when he is clearly one of the most exciting fighters in the UFC,no-one can argue,he has finished all his fights and he is never gonna try and out-point anyone.
I dont know your thoughts on Soku wanting to fight Bisping,but to me he is complementing Bisping by saying he wants to fight him,he is saying Bisping is one of the best fighters and thats why he wants to fight him,Im sure Bisping will take this as a complement.
Your own prejudice realy shows on here sometimes Mania against Bisping,
your quick to put a blog on when its something like hes supposed to be fighting Ken Shamrock or this but not when its about Bispng going to train with Rampage in Big Bear,no wonder the UFC dosnt want you sponsering any of their fighters.
HE WONT FIGHT SOUKOUDJOU BISPING IS A COWARD THAT HAND PIKS HIS OPPONENTS …WAY TO STEP UP MIKE …MATT HAMILL???CMON UEXPECT PEOPLKE TO ADMIRE YOU ???WHO HAVE U FACED THAT HAS ANY TALENT …BISPING IS AN ASSHOLE
[quote comment="129215"]Ok, then if he isnt a big enough name, why not throw him to the high level fighters that he wants to face?[/quote]
Soko is good and needs to be introduced to the UFC audience, that’s how he doesn’t have a big name. The UFC audience will be shocked and disillusioned if someone out of nowhere knocks out a poster boy within the first round. That’s why Mirko got Eddie as his debut to the UFC. That’s why Rampage got Eastman as his debut. Fedor won’t need an intro if he does get signed because he will be too expensive to just have laying around. Yes or no?
IT MAKE’S ME LAUGH WHEN UNIMFORMED FANS THINK THEIRRY IS NEW TO THE SPORT ,HES AN JUDO CHAMPION WHO ALMOST PUT RAMPAGE OUT FOR GOOD [IN PRACTICE]PLEASE DONT OFFER INFO IF U DONT KNOW WHAT U ARE TALKING ABOUT ..AND HIS RECORD IS 4-1 YA..BUT ,,HE DOESNT SAY HE WANTS ANYONE, THEY OFFER THE FIGHTS TO HIM AND HE EITHER ACCEPT S IT OR REJECTS IT . THE COUNT WONT ACCEPT ANYTHING ,AND LIKE USUAL WILL KEEP DUCKING ANYONE WITH TALENT
[quote comment="129278"]Look at his mma record he is only 4 and 1. And he thinks that he is just going to walk in an demand fights. Of course he is extremely talented. But even when Cro Cop or anyone else came over from Pride they did not step right in against the Champ If he comes in and has a dominant performance than he might get a little lee way to choose his fights.[/quote]
DUDE DO U ACTUALLY KNOW WHT YER SAYING ?CUZ IT MAKES NO SENSE
gvoll — you’re the one writing unintelligible gibberish. Soku is new to the sport, and said sport is not “judo.”
[quote comment="129151"]Sokoudjou’s doesn’t have a big enough name to pick his fights on the contract. Sheesh.
I’d look at him like he was on crack also.[/quote]
Dana white is the on e on crack. Sokoudjou is 23 years old and in the top 10. For us die hard fans that have a clue, sokoudjou is a bigger name then bisping(and im a huge bisping fan). Bisping would be the underdog in that fight. So the UFC turns down a fighter with a warrior spirit who is eager to step in the cage wit established animals, but they will keep a fag like Tito, who is all talk n ducks all the top fighters(fights old man shamrock 3 times, and waste his time fighting rashad twice).
If Im Dana White n a top 10 fighter comes in my office eager to fight shogun, Im like, welcome to the UFC. Im a huge Bisping fan, but now that this info has been made public, he better demand a fight wit soukoudjou. Its Dana white, and the fan’s loss, we wont get to c a young, top 10 beast, basically for calling out the fighters that Dana is trying to protect.
Dana is putting his TUF fighters(who he has invested money in) in front of a top ten fighter.
Dana looks like the crackhead to me
“I asked for Michael Bisping and they basically asked me if I was on crack.”
That doesn’t sound like something Dana White would say/do…
Gvoll: U r right bro…. to me Sokodjou is a bigger name then Bisping, Forrest, Rashad, Jardine.
I guarentee that every last hardcore fan(educated fans) would have preffered
Shogun vs. Sokoudjou then Shogun vs. Forrest
am I right?
U casual fans have to realize that THeirry is a 23 year old top 10 fighter. He’s Hendersons best training partner, He has got Karo parysian level Judo skills, nasty strong kicks. heavyhands. and in his 5 mma fights he has faced better fighters then Bisping, Jardine, Forrest, and Rashad have ever faced.
He knocked out Noguerra’s twin brother and his teamate arona, who r both in the top ten. u TUF fans gotta do some research. Just cuz Dana white is trying to sell u a fighter and discredit another fighter, doesnt mean dana has the better fighter, it means Dana has more invested in that fighter.
[quote comment="129178"][quote comment="129151"]Sokoudjou’s doesn’t have a big enough name to pick his fights on the contract. Sheesh.
I’d look at him like he was on crack also.[/quote]
I agree The guys 4-1 with two wins over big names. But he’s young in the game. He needs to give it some time build his career up then the fights will be up for negotiation.[/quote]
Age shouldn’t be something that holds fighters back from greatness.
[quote comment="129282"]Hey Mania,
its interesting that out of all the things said in that interview you chose the part that he wanted to fight Bisping as the headline for this blog,are you wanting people to think that maby Bisping turned down the fight coz I can tell you for a fact 100% Bisping will not turn down a fight with anyone,he wants badly to fight some bigger names and he was very disapointed to have to fight someone else off TUF3,I think TUF3 was obviously very painfull for alot of you guys seeing a Brit just walk through the entire show without a scratch on him,now its embarresing reading these blogs with people constantly trying to put him down when he is clearly one of the most exciting fighters in the UFC,no-one can argue,he has finished all his fights and he is never gonna try and out-point anyone.
I dont know your thoughts on Soku wanting to fight Bisping,but to me he is complementing Bisping by saying he wants to fight him,he is saying Bisping is one of the best fighters and thats why he wants to fight him,Im sure Bisping will take this as a complement.
Your own prejudice realy shows on here sometimes Mania against Bisping,
your quick to put a blog on when its something like hes supposed to be fighting Ken Shamrock or this but not when its about Bispng going to train with Rampage in Big Bear,no wonder the UFC dosnt want you sponsering any of their fighters.[/quote]
Hey Mcanena-
Get a grip. What on God’s green Earth are you smoking? You take anything that has to do with Liddell or Bisping way too serious.
Take a hike if you feel like spewing hose ridiculous conspiracy theories. It’s totally juvenile and sounds absolutely retarded.
I think Soku vs Bisping could be a good 2nd/3rd fight for Soku. Debuting against Bisping is not a good move for the UFC. 95% of fans aren’t knowledgablelike the people who post on boards like this. None of my friends have heard of Fedor, much less Soku.
Even if he beats Bisping, Soku would still be pretty unknown until he won about 2 more fights. So for those 6 months, the UFC loses hype on one their biggest international draws without much to show for it. If Soku loses, then it raises a big question mark on how legit his last two big wins were.
There’s quite a lot to lose, and relatively little to gain by having these two fight right off the bat. Of course, hardcore fans gain a lot, but we’re a tiny minority.
That’s basically the crux of the problem with the Pride purchase. There are lots of great and spectacular fighters, of whom over 95% of fans know absolutely nothing about. Since that’s the case, the UFC is forced to give these guys relatively easy, low-risk debuts to build hype so that the casual fans understand why something like Nog vs Crocop is a huge fight, for example.
Mark my words, a year from now you’ll look back, and you’ll have seen so many spectacular match-ups in that even the most cynical fan will wet themselves thinking back on it all. We’re at the brink of having some of the best MMA action in history.
Personally, I think Soku is missing out more than anyone else (except for Fedor if he doesn’t sign). This is the perfect time to build yourself as an MMA star.
[quote comment="129302"]“I asked for Michael Bisping and they basically asked me if I was on crack.”
That doesn’t sound like something Dana White would say/do…[/quote]
Exactly my same thoughts……I think we should keep an eye on Dana’s weight….he might be smoking crack him self.
And for those who say Soku only has a 4-1 record…..look who he knocked out. UFC is scared he will come in and knock out their fighters that they are trying to market along with their brand. They want Bisping to win and continue to do so they can market him in England/Europe.
to but soku and bisbing in the same league is a laugh really soku has proven himself twice in his short career how many times has bisbing proven him self
i mean to put
What I think is funny is how people say soku hasn’t fought anyone and he is 4 and 1 so he doesn’t deserve to fight any one, my question is: Who the hell has Bisping fought? answer: NO ONE. I thought when Zuffa bought PRIDE they were all about saying “Now the best fighters in the world can fight each other.” Maybe I’m crazy but I haven’t seen anything like that. Soku asks for Bisping and they say no, are you serious, because him fighting “the mallet” would be a lot more interesting, get yer freakin mind right, Dana is all talk, and only cares about promoting and elevating the careers of his poster boys.
Funny how up until now, Sokoudjou said he stayed completely out of contract negotiations, and let Hendo sit in for that. But really, as said before, UFC’s rising popularity is largely due to the TUF shows. Soku is basically an unknown to US fans so to speak, and it would be stupid to stomp all over the investment that has been Bisping.
We should start wondering how many UFC first-timers are going to be handed over to Roger Huerta. So, Bisping is not alone in the fluff catagory.
[quote comment="129294"]IT MAKE’S ME LAUGH WHEN UNIMFORMED FANS THINK THEIRRY IS NEW TO THE SPORT ,HES AN JUDO CHAMPION WHO ALMOST PUT RAMPAGE OUT FOR GOOD [IN PRACTICE]PLEASE DONT OFFER INFO IF U DONT KNOW WHAT U ARE TALKING ABOUT ..AND HIS RECORD IS 4-1 YA..BUT ,,HE DOESNT SAY HE WANTS ANYONE, THEY OFFER THE FIGHTS TO HIM AND HE EITHER ACCEPT S IT OR REJECTS IT . THE COUNT WONT ACCEPT ANYTHING ,AND LIKE USUAL WILL KEEP DUCKING ANYONE WITH TALENT[/quote]
[quote comment="129303"]Gvoll: U r right bro…. to me Sokodjou is a bigger name then Bisping, Forrest, Rashad, Jardine.
I guarentee that every last hardcore fan(educated fans) would have preffered
Shogun vs. Sokoudjou then Shogun vs. Forrest
am I right?
U casual fans have to realize that THeirry is a 23 year old top 10 fighter. He’s Hendersons best training partner, He has got Karo parysian level Judo skills, nasty strong kicks. heavyhands. and in his 5 mma fights he has faced better fighters then Bisping, Jardine, Forrest, and Rashad have ever faced.
He knocked out Noguerra’s twin brother and his teamate arona, who r both in the top ten. u TUF fans gotta do some research. Just cuz Dana white is trying to sell u a fighter and discredit another fighter, doesnt mean dana has the better fighter, it means Dana has more invested in that fighter.[/quote]
You two guys are comical, Yeah Soku he’s a legend in MMA and all his years of MMA experience spanning from 2006 to 2007 its just amazing. Gimmie a break on the TUF fan sh1t and the uninformed BS. He’s great yeah we all know he knocked out Arona and Nogueira in Pride but it still dont give him Carte Blanche in the UFC. US Judo champ well good im happy for him but alot of MMA fighters are former Champs in all kinds of Sh1t its not like its unheard of. Soku great fighter but ya cant make demands when your at the bottom of the Totem pole what dont you (MMA geniuses)get about that. what you guys want to see and whats reality are clearly two different things. You would make terrible business men and im glad your not the presidents of the UFC. It would be belly up in a year or two with you two nuts at the helm. Face it he has to prove himself in the Octagon get his name out there to the UFC fans and then he might have some leverage but they are not gonna risk him coming in and Knocking out someone that they have invested money and PR in. You guys would bring in joe Schmoe to fight one of your big names and thats why if you guys were running the show the UFC would be no more than a lowly rinky dink backyard organization with no nationwide coverage or success. Its about business and making money and its always gonna be like it or leave it. They mold public opinion from there PR on certain top fighters there (poster boys) per say and those are the fighters the majority of fans want to see and thats where the UFC will make the most dough. So there it is and there you have it. Now live with it cuz ya aint gonna change it by sitting here calling other MMA fans uninformed,TUF fans,Newbies,Bandwagoners and what ever the hell else you (Godcomplex MMA elite fans) call anyone who doesnt agree with you.
[quote comment="129151"]Sokoudjou’s doesn’t have a big enough name to pick his fights on the contract. Sheesh.
I’d look at him like he was on crack also.[/quote]
hey kid… he beat little nog, and ricardo arona… they need to market the best fights not the biggest names
Nice response Thor1982…
Besides, Bisping will destroy this guy when the time comes. All you Bisping haters, suck it up. He’s a star for the time being…and he’ll continue to win as the UFC develops him into a top-notch champion.
13 and 0 is and will always be better than 4 and 1. You talk about the great fighters soku fought but who did he lose to? yeah a nobody. So I believe it would be a very exciting match up and anybody’s fight to win. Soku needs to chill and not demand anythang he ain’t nobody he aint going to sell out any shows for you(like Bisping has)any time soon. He needs to earn it.
The is a huge difference between PROTECTING and BUILDING fighters.
BUILDING a fighter means progressing him over his career over increasingly difficult opponents and giving him a chance to grow his skills through experience.
PROTECTING a fighter is when a fighter could be ready to take the next step, but he is not placed with anybody who has a chance to beat him…. Until he gets a title shot.
I have seen 100 examples of the UFC BUILDING fighters. I have seen almost no examples of them PROTECTING fighters.
Is Forrest Griffin protected? I don’t think so. They are feeding him to Ortiz and Shogun. Is Diego Sanchez protected? They are feeding him to Koscheck and then Fitch.
At the end of the day, fighters are required to prove themselves before even getting a title shot. That is far from protecting. Sokoudjou is just mad that Zuffa has footage of him getting beaten down in the WEC. He can sure dish it out, but he can’t take it.
And there is a reason why Zuffa and Dana White doesn’t throw fighters to the wolves anymore. His name is Nate Quarry. They rushed his career and look at how badly he got KO’ed. White has stated since then that he wants to take the TUF Fighter’s careers more slowly, give them time to grow as fighters before he really tests them. That is actually very smart for him to do. Once again, that is protecting, that is giving a guy with a lot of potential time to become the best he can be. Sometimes that means he will be world champion. Most of the times not. But these fighters at least deserve the chance to grow in that direction.
In resposne to thor1982 “, who wants to see lame ass predictable matches, that as you say are just smart fights to make the most money, that’s just plain bullshit, why do I give a fuck how many gaddamn ppv sales the UFC does, all I give a fuck about is seeing the best and most talented fighters match up against each other, and If you ran the company we would call it the WWE in a year or two
It’s not the first or last time a fighter commits career suicide from brash impatience.
[quote comment="129303"]Gvoll: U r right bro…. to me Sokodjou is a bigger name then Bisping, Forrest, Rashad, Jardine.
I guarentee that every last hardcore fan(educated fans) would have preffered
Shogun vs. Sokoudjou then Shogun vs. Forrest
am I right?
U casual fans have to realize that THeirry is a 23 year old top 10 fighter. He’s Hendersons best training partner, He has got Karo parysian level Judo skills, nasty strong kicks. heavyhands. and in his 5 mma fights he has faced better fighters then Bisping, Jardine, Forrest, and Rashad have ever faced.
He knocked out Noguerra’s twin brother and his teamate arona, who r both in the top ten. u TUF fans gotta do some research. Just cuz Dana white is trying to sell u a fighter and discredit another fighter, doesnt mean dana has the better fighter, it means Dana has more invested in that fighter.[/quote]
I agree 100%
I think alot of you guys are taking his comments about Bisbing as a demand. He basically said, for the type of money the UFC was offering he would take it only if he could fight a certain caliber of opponent. He said the type of fighters that could elevate him to the big money fights. Instead the UFC said you could fight 3 up and coming guys and then a contender and Soko said no thanks! Not just Soko, but all fighters get bashed for calling out the top fighters by fans and then the same fans complain when they are watching star fighters fight cans. Kind of like when Liddell was saying he would fight Cro Cop. People torched him and now he’s fighting Jardin and still getting torched.
Soko is on crack, if he thought they’d give him Bisping.
And I say that with the full knowledge that Soko would whoop Bisping.
No, a better selection would be Bonnar. A guy who is experienced, will put up a fight, can test Soko on the ground, and isn’t likely to ever be a top fighter.
[quote comment="129181"]Very good move from the business standpoint.
Risking a Demolition of Bisping would definitely compromise the UFCs rising stake in the European market.
From a personal standpoint…Terrible move! Bisping would not hang for a minute with a beast like Soku.[/quote]
Agreed, the UFC wants to keep Bisping as a star to help with the European market……Soko would destroy that guy…and most others, I would bet
[quote comment="129356"]Nice response Thor1982…
Besides, Bisping will destroy this guy when the time comes. All you Bisping haters, suck it up. He’s a star for the time being…and he’ll continue to win as the UFC develops him into a top-notch champion.[/quote]
Thanks WADZ
Cant just assume because Soku has KO wins over Arona and Nogueria that he can defeat Bisping. Im gonna use MMAth and say since Teixeira KO’ED Soku and Ed Herman beat Teixeira that Ed Herman can Whoop em all lol. It works that way dont it? records mean everything.
SokWHO??? Bisping would murder this dude… And dont be dumb . The ufc Is not trying to keep anyone a star. except mabye chuck liddel.
I think if Soko was willing to fight for less money, he would have taken a lesser opponent then Bisping, someone they are trying to promote in the UK. I can see why the UFC said no. Im just not sure if I understand why Soko said no. Im not in a rush to see him fight a Rampage or Shogun yet. I would like to see him in the UFC eventually though.
[quote comment="129353"][quote comment="129294"]IT MAKE’S ME LAUGH WHEN UNIMFORMED FANS THINK THEIRRY IS NEW TO THE SPORT ,HES AN JUDO CHAMPION WHO ALMOST PUT RAMPAGE OUT FOR GOOD [IN PRACTICE]PLEASE DONT OFFER INFO IF U DONT KNOW WHAT U ARE TALKING ABOUT ..AND HIS RECORD IS 4-1 YA..BUT ,,HE DOESNT SAY HE WANTS ANYONE, THEY OFFER THE FIGHTS TO HIM AND HE EITHER ACCEPT S IT OR REJECTS IT . THE COUNT WONT ACCEPT ANYTHING ,AND LIKE USUAL WILL KEEP DUCKING ANYONE WITH TALENT[/quote]
[quote comment="129303"]Gvoll: U r right bro…. to me Sokodjou is a bigger name then Bisping, Forrest, Rashad, Jardine.
I guarentee that every last hardcore fan(educated fans) would have preffered
Shogun vs. Sokoudjou then Shogun vs. Forrest
am I right?
U casual fans have to realize that THeirry is a 23 year old top 10 fighter. He’s Hendersons best training partner, He has got Karo parysian level Judo skills, nasty strong kicks. heavyhands. and in his 5 mma fights he has faced better fighters then Bisping, Jardine, Forrest, and Rashad have ever faced.
He knocked out Noguerra’s twin brother and his teamate arona, who r both in the top ten. u TUF fans gotta do some research. Just cuz Dana white is trying to sell u a fighter and discredit another fighter, doesnt mean dana has the better fighter, it means Dana has more invested in that fighter.[/quote]
You two guys are comical, Yeah Soku he’s a legend in MMA and all his years of MMA experience spanning from 2006 to 2007 its just amazing. Gimmie a break on the TUF fan sh1t and the uninformed BS. He’s great yeah we all know he knocked out Arona and Nogueira in Pride but it still dont give him Carte Blanche in the UFC. US Judo champ well good im happy for him but alot of MMA fighters are former Champs in all kinds of Sh1t its not like its unheard of. Soku great fighter but ya cant make demands when your at the bottom of the Totem pole what dont you (MMA geniuses)get about that. what you guys want to see and whats reality are clearly two different things. You would make terrible business men and im glad your not the presidents of the UFC. It would be belly up in a year or two with you two nuts at the helm. Face it he has to prove himself in the Octagon get his name out there to the UFC fans and then he might have some leverage but they are not gonna risk him coming in and Knocking out someone that they have invested money and PR in. You guys would bring in joe Schmoe to fight one of your big names and thats why if you guys were running the show the UFC would be no more than a lowly rinky dink backyard organization with no nationwide coverage or success. Its about business and making money and its always gonna be like it or leave it. They mold public opinion from there PR on certain top fighters there (poster boys) per say and those are the fighters the majority of fans want to see and thats where the UFC will make the most dough. So there it is and there you have it. Now live with it cuz ya aint gonna change it by sitting here calling other MMA fans uninformed,TUF fans,Newbies,Bandwagoners and what ever the hell else you (Godcomplex MMA elite fans) call anyone who doesnt agree with you.[/quote]
you probably didntREAD WHAT I WROTE, YOU TOOK OUT OF CONTEXT ,JUDO OR NOT IF YOU RE THAT BLIND TO SEE …OR EXACT REFRENCES MEANING ITS PROB NOT HIM GOIN IN AND STAMPING HIS FUKIN FEET SAYIN I WANT BISPING I WANT BISPING …HE PROB MENTIONED HED LIKE TOI FIGHT BUT PEEONS RUN RIGHT FOR AN NEGATIVE PART AND PUT HIM DOWN DUDE HES A GREAT FIGHTER ,,,AND IF BISPING CAN HAND PICK EM THEN MAYBE THEIRRY S TRYIN TO MAKE A STATEMENT …PLEASE GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT WAS ALL IM ASKIN….AND IM GLAD WE MADE U SMILE IM ALL FOR YOU THOR 1313
THOR PROB THINKS DANAS DOIN A GOOD JOB BY BRINGING CHRIS LEBEN BACK AGAIN …AND NOT LETTING DIAZ OR SOKUODJOU IN ….HEY THOR WHO ARE YOUR FAVOURITES AND WHEN DO START YOUR BOOKING JOB AT UFC ???AND AS FER THE GUY WHO THINKS BISPING WILL BEAT HIM I WILL MEET YOU SOMEWHERE TO WATCH THE FIGHT …AND WE WILL BOTH PUT UP OUR HOUSES NO PROBLEM…HE HAS NO CHANCE OF BEATING HIM WHO HAS BISPING FOUGHT????
alot of u lot are on soku’s dik – do your research and u will find a stack of tough fighters bisping has demolished. Hes NEVER lost a fight, hes been champion of every organisation hes fought in previous to UFC, theres no stopping this country boy! Bring on Bisping vs Tito that would let him slowly climb the contendership ladder
[quote comment="129178"][quote comment="129151"]Sokoudjou’s doesn’t have a big enough name to pick his fights on the contract. Sheesh.
I’d look at him like he was on crack also.[/quote]
I agree The guys 4-1 with two wins over big names. But he’s young in the game. He needs to give it some time build his career up then the fights will be up for negotiation.[/quote]
Thing is if he would just go ahead and mangle a couple of scrub fights, then his fans would be screaming for the UFC to give him the match-ups he is asking for up front. The UFC would have to make it happen then.
His recent wins over Arona and little Nog were impressive. I’m still not convinced though. Need to see one more before I pick up his banner.
[quote comment="129314"][quote comment="129282"]Hey Mania,
its interesting that out of all the things said in that interview you chose the part that he wanted to fight Bisping as the headline for this blog,[/quote]
Hey Mcanena-
Take a hike if you feel like spewing hose ridiculous conspiracy theories. It’s totally juvenile and sounds absolutely retarded.[/quote]
Mcanena don’t leave the board! I enjoy your other side of the pond take on things. You’re entitled to be a Bisping nut-hugger since he’s your hometown boy… or home island boy whichever.
Mcanena when it comes to Bisping you’re “plum mad”… as in mad for his “plums” (British equivalent of “nut hugger”?).
First of all people, he asked to fight Bisping, he didn’t demand it. Also, he didn’t ask to fight the elite in the division. Bisping is not even a top 5 light heavyweight. As far as I’m concerned, it would have been a match between two young talented fighters with great careers ahead of them. The problem with protecting fighters is if they lose to their unknown opponent, Like Jardin did, you destroy their credibility a lot faster than if they lost to an A list fighter. Look at when Forest lost to Tito, no one thought any less of him right, but now everyone thinks Jardin is garbage.
Dana stop protecting them, Screw the Euro market if all they want is padded fights so there boy can win! Where’s the honor in that?
everyone knows he would smash bisping, no mystery there
Man it is worse then I thought in here.
Thought I would see how all the newcomers were doing Mania. Sounds like you have your hands full.
Glad I stick to the posts, but every once in a while I have to humor myself with a little “sherdog” like blogging.
Still love the posts though Mania.
Later
Chris Valentine
mcena: Bisping is a great up an comming fighter. But he talk about him like he’s Fedor. How about we all just judge the fighter, instead of jumping on a fighters bandwagon because he is a fellow country man.
Get a grip. What on God’s green Earth are you smoking? You take anything that has to do with Liddell or Bisping way too serious.
Take a hike if you feel like spewing hose ridiculous conspiracy theories. It’s totally juvenile and sounds absolutely retarded.
atta boy Mania: put him in his place. I love bisping but this guy makes u really hate the british
Man Im originally from Rome, now I live in Philadelphia. Just cuz Im Italian u dont c me going around saying that Alessio Sakara is the greatest fighter in the world. We get it, ur British, ur happy to finally have any athlete to be excited about besides Beckham and wayne Rooney, but open your eyes man, Bisping still has a long way too go(lots of potential).
People like u is y us Ameriacans hate u bloody British twits. U Brits r almost as bad as the French.
The one thing everyone needs to rmember here is, love it or hate it,the UFC is a business first..Nobody buys or buys into a business to loose money. Why give away a fight , since nobody except the real MMMA fans know Soko? That is a great fight to market once Soko has a bit of a name for himself in the UFC aand Bisping gets another real fighter or 2 under his belt. It hsDes headline ability if done right. So why make this a cheap as undercard when you can get a potential top biller….Think about it froma business stand point not just the fanpoint.
[quote comment="129314"][quote comment="129282"]Hey Mania,
its interesting that out of all the things said in that interview you chose the part that he wanted to fight Bisping as the headline for this blog,are you wanting people to think that maby Bisping turned down the fight coz I can tell you for a fact 100% Bisping will not turn down a fight with anyone,he wants badly to fight some bigger names and he was very disapointed to have to fight someone else off TUF3,I think TUF3 was obviously very painfull for alot of you guys seeing a Brit just walk through the entire show without a scratch on him,now its embarresing reading these blogs with people constantly trying to put him down when he is clearly one of the most exciting fighters in the UFC,no-one can argue,he has finished all his fights and he is never gonna try and out-point anyone.
I dont know your thoughts on Soku wanting to fight Bisping,but to me he is complementing Bisping by saying he wants to fight him,he is saying Bisping is one of the best fighters and thats why he wants to fight him,Im sure Bisping will take this as a complement.
Your own prejudice realy shows on here sometimes Mania against Bisping,
your quick to put a blog on when its something like hes supposed to be fighting Ken Shamrock or this but not when its about Bispng going to train with Rampage in Big Bear,no wonder the UFC dosnt want you sponsering any of their fighters.[/quote]
Hey Mcanena-
Get a grip. What on God’s green Earth are you smoking? You take anything that has to do with Liddell or Bisping way too serious.
Take a hike if you feel like spewing hose ridiculous conspiracy theories. It’s totally juvenile and sounds absolutely retarded.[/quote]
I dont think I am being juvenile,I think you are,look at the comments you let people away with about Mike,things like Brit B*tch ass and stuff like that,that is offensive to me,its like letting someone off with rasist remarks,its ridiculous for people to act talk like Bisping is a coward,Bisping is a fighter and he would fight anyone in the world,I know thats the way people are in the north of England are,he wont turn a fight down with anyone,on the show I remember no-one would step up to fight him and Ross Pointon did not hesitate to fight at all,
thats the way people are here and for people to make out that Bisping is dodging fights is whats ridiculous.
As for Liddell it angers me to read peoples comments talking like hes finished and hes useless,after all hes done and achieved he deserves respect,it anoys me and in my comments I am just stating my opinion.
[quote comment="129432"]Mcanena when it comes to Bisping you’re “plum mad”… as in mad for his “plums” (British equivalent of “nut hugger”?).[/quote]
I dont think so mate. I feel Ive gotta stick up for him,he is an exciting fighter who has only been in MMA for a couple of years and people are talking so much nonsense about him,it makes me sick.
[quote comment="129415"]THOR PROB THINKS DANAS DOIN A GOOD JOB BY BRINGING CHRIS LEBEN BACK AGAIN …AND NOT LETTING DIAZ OR SOKUODJOU IN ….HEY THOR WHO ARE YOUR FAVOURITES AND WHEN DO START YOUR BOOKING JOB AT UFC ???AND AS FER THE GUY WHO THINKS BISPING WILL BEAT HIM I WILL MEET YOU SOMEWHERE TO WATCH THE FIGHT …AND WE WILL BOTH PUT UP OUR HOUSES NO PROBLEM…HE HAS NO CHANCE OF BEATING HIM WHO HAS BISPING FOUGHT????[/quote]
No one, now let me ask you this, Who has Bisping lost to? I wouldnt go around saying Bisping cant beat anyone, when he hasn’t done much to prove your case. Second, Bisping does not choose his fights. And, if he did, who was to say he is any closer to a title shot….because he’s not. There is Hendo, Shogun, Liddell, Silva, Ortiz, Rashad, Machida all in front of Bisping. Maybe even Forrest Griffen too. Bisping is a LONG way away from a title shot if you ask me, so why not fight a Matt Hamill in the meantime? Your bashing Bisping as if he’s doing something wrong here. Winning against more difficult opponents each time you fight, doesnt seem like the worst route to me.
[quote comment="129447"]Man it is worse then I thought in here.
Thought I would see how all the newcomers were doing Mania. Sounds like you have your hands full.
Glad I stick to the posts, but every once in a while I have to humor myself with a little “sherdog” like blogging.
Still love the posts though Mania.
Later
Chris Valentine[/quote]
An elite legend in his own mind, haha.
Man Soku seems way out of bispings league to me, Soku is an amazing striker and I get the feeling he could hang with, if not beat any light heavy weight, bisping doesn’t impress me.
I agree with the decision with the UFC. I also think that if the UFC had a year when all the top fighters fought each other then what fights would you want to see after that.
alot of you are saying “well he’s only 4-1″ its quality not quantity look at bisping he’s what 13-0 but how many of those fighters are of a decent calibur his last fight was against elvis sinosic who has a losing record and is still trying to live off that win off jeremy horn where as Soku has KO’d 2 top 10 ranked fighters in under what like 3 minutes? and how many of you would rank him in the top 10? and how many would rank bisping in the top 10? bisping has potential no doubt but comparing his skill to soku at this point is a joke
Let’s just set the record straight on MB, he doesn’t hand pick his fights. He didn’t want to fight Matt Hamill because he felt it was a step back. At least give him that.
bISPIMG IS A GOOD FIGHTER AND HAS THE POTENTIAL TO BEING GREAT. i DONT MEAN TO KNOCK bISPING, Im a big fan of his. Im just pissed that Soku isnt in the UFC. I dont look at it as he is demanding fighters, I c a young, hungry, top 10 fighter who wants to fight other top 10 fighters so that he can cement his place in the top ten.
I think there should always be a place in the UFC for good young fighters, willing to take on the best.
There are plentty of fighters who arent willing to fight the big names. Real fighters have the same attitude as Soku, they wanna test them selves, instead of wasting 5 fights on Ken shamrock and Rashad Evans like tito did. Soku just fought and embarressed 2 top 10 fighters all he wants is to continue fighting guys of that calibur if not better. Thats exactly the type of fighter I would want in my corporation.
I c y they dont wanna give him Bisping, bisping is Huge in england and wit Dana whites aspirations to conquer the world, I can live wit that.
But y not give soku fights against Shogun, Liddell, Tito, warm up fight for wandy.
Id rather c soku in the following matches
Shogun vs. soku would be a better fight then griffin
Liddell vs. Soku would be a better fight then Jardine
Tito vs. Soku would be way better then Rashad
Soku is hot right now, and he is right to not want to fight some no name lower level fighter.
It doesnt have to be Bisping but give the guy a tough fight, if he wins then dana has a new star, if he looses at least the fight would prolly be exciting.
Again I dont wanna knock Bisping, I just want Soku in t he UFC
[quote comment="129301"][quote comment="129151"]Sokoudjou’s doesn’t have a big enough name to pick his fights on the contract. Sheesh.
I’d look at him like he was on crack also.[/quote]
Dana white is the on e on crack. Sokoudjou is 23 years old and in the top 10. For us die hard fans that have a clue, sokoudjou is a bigger name then bisping(and im a huge bisping fan). Bisping would be the underdog in that fight. So the UFC turns down a fighter with a warrior spirit who is eager to step in the cage wit established animals, but they will keep a fag like Tito, who is all talk n ducks all the top fighters(fights old man shamrock 3 times, and waste his time fighting rashad twice).
If Im Dana White n a top 10 fighter comes in my office eager to fight shogun, Im like, welcome to the UFC. Im a huge Bisping fan, but now that this info has been made public, he better demand a fight wit soukoudjou. Its Dana white, and the fan’s loss, we wont get to c a young, top 10 beast, basically for calling out the fighters that Dana is trying to protect.
Dana is putting his TUF fighters(who he has invested money in) in front of a top ten fighter.
Dana looks like the crackhead to me[/quote]
What part of “UFC fighter’s don’t pick their opponents” don’t you understand?
Also Soku was getting big money offers from K1 Hero’s, and Elite XC was also in the hunt. Seeing how 80 percent of UFC fans don’t know who is, I don’t blame the UFC for not rolling up the Brinks truck to sign him. Only the hardcore fans know about Soku. At 4-1 I’m not on the bandwagon yet. I’m waiting to see how he reacts the first time he is really hit. Judging by his TKO loss to Glover Teixeira, I’m guessing it’s a little early to proclaim Soku as the second coming of Fedor!
[quote comment="129426"]alot of u lot are on soku’s dik – do your research and u will find a stack of tough fighters bisping has demolished. Hes NEVER lost a fight, hes been champion of every organisation hes fought in previous to UFC, theres no stopping this country boy! Bring on Bisping vs Tito that would let him slowly climb the contendership ladder[/quote]
dude who has he beat thats good ?…soku has beaten 2 top 5 in the world …in a row AT THAT…HE ALMOST PUT RAMPAGE OUT FOR GOOD …RAMPAGE WENT ON RECORD AS SAYING THEIRRY IS ONE OF THE TOUGHEST PEOPLE IVE EVER BEEN IN A RING WITH….mike bisping has not beaten even a top 20 the highest ranked fighter he has beaten is elvis sinosac and epstein [twice] hes more unproven then any fighter thats undefeated,these are ALL FACTS
GOOD JOB JOHN …BISPING IS UNPROVEN PERIOD THEIRRY TOOK THE HARDEST ROAD ONE COULD TAKE NEXT TO FIGHTING SHOGUN BUT I GUESS HE ASKED FOR THAT TOO JUST IMAGINE IT YOU HAVE DANNY HENDERSON,FORREST GRIFFIN,RANDY COUTURE,WANDERLAI SILVA,THEIRRY SOUKOUDJOU,BAS RUTTEN ALL TRAINING UNDER THE SAME ROOF….YEAH BISPING WILL WIN……..NOT..IT PROBABLY WONT HAPPEN
[quote comment="129483"]Let’s just set the record straight on MB, he doesn’t hand pick his fights. He didn’t want to fight Matt Hamill because he felt it was a step back. At least give him that.[/quote]
ACTUALLY HE DID HE HAS BEEN ASKING DANA FOR THIS SINCE MATT WAS RUNNING AROUND THE HOUSE GOING WOOOOOOOOO WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ALL DAY THERE IS REAL PROOF IN THIS
I JUST THINK THE UFC PROTECTS ITS FIGHTERS WAY TO MUCH. PRIDE PUT THE BEST AGAINST THE BEST. DANA SAYS HE JUST WANTS TO GIVE THE FANS THE BEST FIGHTS BULLSHIT HE WANTS HIS BEST FIGHTERS TO WIN. SOKU WOULD BE GREAT FOR THE UFC-TERRIBLE MOVE BY THEM
Bisping would KO Soki in under 25 seconds garunteed 100%,he would simply use the ancient British move the back flip curly whip splits kick and Soki Soki would be fokeed.
[quote comment="129413"][quote comment="129353"][quote comment="129294"]IT MAKE’S ME LAUGH WHEN UNIMFORMED FANS THINK THEIRRY IS NEW TO THE SPORT ,HES AN JUDO CHAMPION WHO ALMOST PUT RAMPAGE OUT FOR GOOD [IN PRACTICE]PLEASE DONT OFFER INFO IF U DONT KNOW WHAT U ARE TALKING ABOUT ..AND HIS RECORD IS 4-1 YA..BUT ,,HE DOESNT SAY HE WANTS ANYONE, THEY OFFER THE FIGHTS TO HIM AND HE EITHER ACCEPT S IT OR REJECTS IT . THE COUNT WONT ACCEPT ANYTHING ,AND LIKE USUAL WILL KEEP DUCKING ANYONE WITH TALENT[/quote]
[quote comment="129303"]Gvoll: U r right bro…. to me Sokodjou is a bigger name then Bisping, Forrest, Rashad, Jardine.
I guarentee that every last hardcore fan(educated fans) would have preffered
Shogun vs. Sokoudjou then Shogun vs. Forrest
am I right?
U casual fans have to realize that THeirry is a 23 year old top 10 fighter. He’s Hendersons best training partner, He has got Karo parysian level Judo skills, nasty strong kicks. heavyhands. and in his 5 mma fights he has faced better fighters then Bisping, Jardine, Forrest, and Rashad have ever faced.
He knocked out Noguerra’s twin brother and his teamate arona, who r both in the top ten. u TUF fans gotta do some research. Just cuz Dana white is trying to sell u a fighter and discredit another fighter, doesnt mean dana has the better fighter, it means Dana has more invested in that fighter.[/quote]
You two guys are comical, Yeah Soku he’s a legend in MMA and all his years of MMA experience spanning from 2006 to 2007 its just amazing. Gimmie a break on the TUF fan sh1t and the uninformed BS. He’s great yeah we all know he knocked out Arona and Nogueira in Pride but it still dont give him Carte Blanche in the UFC. US Judo champ well good im happy for him but alot of MMA fighters are former Champs in all kinds of Sh1t its not like its unheard of. Soku great fighter but ya cant make demands when your at the bottom of the Totem pole what dont you (MMA geniuses)get about that. what you guys want to see and whats reality are clearly two different things. You would make terrible business men and im glad your not the presidents of the UFC. It would be belly up in a year or two with you two nuts at the helm. Face it he has to prove himself in the Octagon get his name out there to the UFC fans and then he might have some leverage but they are not gonna risk him coming in and Knocking out someone that they have invested money and PR in. You guys would bring in joe Schmoe to fight one of your big names and thats why if you guys were running the show the UFC would be no more than a lowly rinky dink backyard organization with no nationwide coverage or success. Its about business and making money and its always gonna be like it or leave it. They mold public opinion from there PR on certain top fighters there (poster boys) per say and those are the fighters the majority of fans want to see and thats where the UFC will make the most dough. So there it is and there you have it. Now live with it cuz ya aint gonna change it by sitting here calling other MMA fans uninformed,TUF fans,Newbies,Bandwagoners and what ever the hell else you (Godcomplex MMA elite fans) call anyone who doesnt agree with you.[/quote]
you probably didntREAD WHAT I WROTE, YOU TOOK OUT OF CONTEXT ,JUDO OR NOT IF YOU RE THAT BLIND TO SEE …OR EXACT REFRENCES MEANING ITS PROB NOT HIM GOIN IN AND STAMPING HIS FUKIN FEET SAYIN I WANT BISPING I WANT BISPING …HE PROB MENTIONED HED LIKE TOI FIGHT BUT PEEONS RUN RIGHT FOR AN NEGATIVE PART AND PUT HIM DOWN DUDE HES A GREAT FIGHTER ,,,AND IF BISPING CAN HAND PICK EM THEN MAYBE THEIRRY S TRYIN TO MAKE A STATEMENT …PLEASE GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT WAS ALL IM ASKIN….AND IM GLAD WE MADE U SMILE IM ALL FOR YOU THOR 1313[/quote]
Yeah i didnt take anything out of context there. You were basically calling other fans uninformed. And your opinion is based on assumptions.
Bisping would destroy soku in seconds.. I dont Think Many of you have seen bisping fight. Hes 14 – 0 .. I think All 14 wins came from Technical Knock Out. HES MORE THAN PROVEN HIMSELF. .. when i think of soku I think of gomi both very OVERATED FIGHTERS. if soku Come to the ufc you will see soku get ktfo . Just Like Many Other Ring Fighters. They step in the cage And get killed. Bisping Has Been fighting in a cage his whole carrer . AND besides ufc signs bigger names : da spyder , cro cop , rampage , wanderla , hendo , minoturo And They Need to worry about Signing Fedor Not Soku.
[quote comment="129361"]In resposne to thor1982 “, who wants to see lame ass predictable matches, that as you say are just smart fights to make the most money, that’s just plain bullshit, why do I give a fuck how many gaddamn ppv sales the UFC does, all I give a fuck about is seeing the best and most talented fighters match up against each other, and If you ran the company we would call it the WWE in a year or two[/quote]
You dont have to give a damn about PPV sales because your not the president of the UFC. Your idea of the best and most talented fighters isnt gonna be the same as others. The men behind the UFC are 10 times the business men you are.
[quote comment="129462"][quote comment="129432"]Mcanena when it comes to Bisping you’re “plum mad”… as in mad for his “plums” (British equivalent of “nut hugger”?).[/quote]
I dont think so mate. I feel Ive gotta stick up for him,he is an exciting fighter who has only been in MMA for a couple of years and people are talking so much nonsense about him,it makes me sick.[/quote]
It seems like you’re so desperately clinging on the only hope of perhaps one of most well-known british fighters in the mma. Many of us have favorities in American fighters, whcih we have so many of. Yet, we debate when the American fighters are pitting against each other in either octangon or ring and rooting for the either one. We don’t pick our fighters simply because they’re “American.” We pick one and debate it based on their style, performance, and etc.
So, for you to have only the well-known british fighter in Michael Bisping only simply because he’s a british. Supposed if he has to fight against his fellow countryman, another british fighter, which one would you be rooting for then? What if Bisping isn’t someone as you made him out to be? I think you’d be singing a different tune by then. But of course, that’s a given.
[quote comment="129415"]THOR PROB THINKS DANAS DOIN A GOOD JOB BY BRINGING CHRIS LEBEN BACK AGAIN …AND NOT LETTING DIAZ OR SOKUODJOU IN ….HEY THOR WHO ARE YOUR FAVOURITES AND WHEN DO START YOUR BOOKING JOB AT UFC ???AND AS FER THE GUY WHO THINKS BISPING WILL BEAT HIM I WILL MEET YOU SOMEWHERE TO WATCH THE FIGHT …AND WE WILL BOTH PUT UP OUR HOUSES NO PROBLEM…HE HAS NO CHANCE OF BEATING HIM WHO HAS BISPING FOUGHT????[/quote]
Yeah i dont mind seeing Leben getting KO’ed or winning. And i would like to see Diaz(again) and Soku in the Octagon. Take your Capslock off we can read your posts juts fine without all the capital letters.
[quote comment="129514"][quote comment="129483"]Let’s just set the record straight on MB, he doesn’t hand pick his fights. He didn’t want to fight Matt Hamill because he felt it was a step back. At least give him that.[/quote]
ACTUALLY HE DID HE HAS BEEN ASKING DANA FOR THIS SINCE MATT WAS RUNNING AROUND THE HOUSE GOING WOOOOOOOOO WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ALL DAY THERE IS REAL PROOF IN THIS[/quote]
Well you didn’t see the interview on ufc.com then did you?…Yeah Michael wanted to fight when he was on the show, just to shut him up and win the damn thing but he admitted to being disappointed when the ufc rang him to tell him he’d be fighting Hamill…And yes Hamill is a can. Still though I’ve said it tons of times before check out his fight with Mark Epstein. They’re both swinging for the fences. Entertaining stuff.
Admittedly Michael says he’s NOW looking forward to the bout with Hamill, probably the arena, the fans and getting back in the octagon moreso than the opponent…He might say one thing because it would be bad PR to say the other but he was less than enthused to take this one. I honestly hope he’s not looking past Matt. He should win and win convincingly but let’s hope he’s not getting complacent as everyone knows Hamill cannot physically hurt him. Hamill can only win by l’n'p.
I’ll just kindly ask you guys to reserve judgement on MB for now, he has got a lot of potential.
P.S. I’m not British.
thats not the point …the point is about souks beating him convincingly …dude im not tryin to argue im pointing out that in 5 fights theirry is more accomplished the mike bisping is ala quality of opponents ….cmon youre not blind r u?
[quote comment="129544"][quote comment="129415"]THOR PROB THINKS DANAS DOIN A GOOD JOB BY BRINGING CHRIS LEBEN BACK AGAIN …AND NOT LETTING DIAZ OR SOKUODJOU IN ….HEY THOR WHO ARE YOUR FAVOURITES AND WHEN DO START YOUR BOOKING JOB AT UFC ???AND AS FER THE GUY WHO THINKS BISPING WILL BEAT HIM I WILL MEET YOU SOMEWHERE TO WATCH THE FIGHT …AND WE WILL BOTH PUT UP OUR HOUSES NO PROBLEM…HE HAS NO CHANCE OF BEATING HIM WHO HAS BISPING FOUGHT????[/quote]sorry bout the cap locks
Yeah i dont mind seeing Leben getting KO’ed or winning. And i would like to see Diaz(again) and Soku in the Octagon. Take your Capslock off we can read your posts juts fine without all the capital letters.[/quote]
[quote comment="129527"]Bisping would destroy soku in seconds.. I dont Think Many of you have seen bisping fight. Hes 14 – 0 .. I think All 14 wins came from Technical Knock Out. HES MORE THAN PROVEN HIMSELF.
.. when i think of soku I think of gomi both very OVERATED FIGHTERS. if soku Come to the ufc you will see soku get ktfo . Just Like Many Other Ring Fighters. They step in the cage And get killed. Bisping Has Been fighting in a cage his whole carrer . AND besides ufc signs bigger names : da spyder , cro cop , rampage , wanderla , hendo , minoturo And They Need to worry about Signing Fedor Not Soku.[/quote]dude seriously there is a place where we can both send money for a bet called a proxi bet …would you like too bet a chunk of cash if they fight?im bein totally 100%serious on this???maybe lets say 1000$ straight up …if one wins by ko in the 1st the loser doubles the money?? so what do u say if da fight happens
omg i can not say how mad im am at the ufc do that not no how good of a fighter he is he would have knouckout bisping so fast i think this might be the dumbest thing i have ever heard
what was dana thinken he knouckout ricordo arona in like 30 seconds he sokuja has beaten top 10 class fighter in just second
[quote comment="129637"]thats not the point …the point is about souks beating him convincingly …dude im not tryin to argue im pointing out that in 5 fights theirry is more accomplished the mike bisping is ala quality of opponents ….cmon youre not blind r u?[/quote]
Yeah probably. I agree with you there. Sure Michael even said himself he’s a long way off where he needs to be to be in contention and he’s far from the finished article, (good to hear a well grounded honest self analysis from a fighter for a change). Yes Thierry is more accomplished and has fought much bigger names.
But my point stands: He does not handpick his opponents, simple as that. Say whatever else you like about him, good, bad or indifferent. Everyone’s entitled to their own opinion but to say he cherry picks his opponents is false and borderline slanderous.
Michael though is a dangerous fighter as he’s a two time heavyweight kickboxing champion of Britain.
For Mcanena there’s an interesting interview with the Count in the august issue of Martial Arts Illustrated. Check it out.
[quote comment="129444"]everyone knows he would smash bisping, no mystery there[/quote]
Sorry genious…I have to disagree with this, completely! Nobody “knows” anything when it comes to mma fight outcomes. Besides, I THINK Bisping would eat this cat. Soko aint proven shit inside the octagon.
[quote comment="129475"][quote comment="129447"]Man it is worse then I thought in here.
Thought I would see how all the newcomers were doing Mania. Sounds like you have your hands full.
Glad I stick to the posts, but every once in a while I have to humor myself with a little “sherdog” like blogging.
Still love the posts though Mania.
Later
Chris Valentine[/quote]
An elite legend in his own mind, haha.[/quote]
Soko has not beaten two top ten fighters…rather, he’s beaten two very good fighters. They were top ten in pride, not top ten in the world. There’s a big difference…
Bisping will own the belt – in the next 3 years!
[quote comment="129541"][quote comment="129462"][quote comment="129432"]Mcanena when it comes to Bisping you’re “plum mad”… as in mad for his “plums” (British equivalent of “nut hugger”?).[/quote]
I dont think so mate. I feel Ive gotta stick up for him,he is an exciting fighter who has only been in MMA for a couple of years and people are talking so much nonsense about him,it makes me sick.[/quote]
It seems like you’re so desperately clinging on the only hope of perhaps one of most well-known british fighters in the mma. Many of us have favorities in American fighters, whcih we have so many of. Yet, we debate when the American fighters are pitting against each other in either octangon or ring and rooting for the either one. We don’t pick our fighters simply because they’re “American.” We pick one and debate it based on their style, performance, and etc.
So, for you to have only the well-known british fighter in Michael Bisping only simply because he’s a british. Supposed if he has to fight against his fellow countryman, another british fighter, which one would you be rooting for then? What if Bisping isn’t someone as you made him out to be? I think you’d be singing a different tune by then. But of course, that’s a given.[/quote]
Isn’t a fight like that already lined up?
Sorry my mistake
[quote comment="129436"]First of all people, he asked to fight Bisping, he didn’t demand it. Also, he didn’t ask to fight the elite in the division. Bisping is not even a top 5 light heavyweight. As far as I’m concerned, it would have been a match between two young talented fighters with great careers ahead of them. The problem with protecting fighters is if they lose to their unknown opponent, Like Jardin did, you destroy their credibility a lot faster than if they lost to an A list fighter. Look at when Forest lost to Tito, no one thought any less of him right, but now everyone thinks Jardin is garbage.
[/quote]
Excellent point with Soko being an “unknown” to the average viewer. I think it makes good business sense to protect Bisping. I’m sure he is willing to fight anyone but hopefully he understands they won’t just toss him to Shogun Rua anytime soon.
why should he be allowed to hand pick his opponents? Sign the contract and fight who they put in front of you? Too cocky Soku.
Lol is he on crack ? Probably the most honest interview ever. Soku would put and end to the golden boy of the UK and his kid glove status. I can picture Dana White looking at Soku and actually asking him if he were on crack. “Dude you know you would whoop up on his ass and ruin any chances I have on bringing more shows to England lol”.
Soko doesn’t even have 10 Pro MMA fights from what I know. He hasn’t fought in the UFC and is playing this position of picking his opponents..in my view I’ll take what you give me..I would like to fight SO and so, but I’ll fight any1 you put in front of me. Look at Gab Gonzaga or Rampage these two athletes took what the UFC gave them and turned copper to gold.
[quote comment="130063"]Soko doesn’t even have 10 Pro MMA fights from what I know. He hasn’t fought in the UFC and is playing this position of picking his opponents..in my view I’ll take what you give me..I would like to fight SO and so, but I’ll fight any1 you put in front of me. Look at Gab Gonzaga or Rampage these two athletes took what the UFC gave them and turned copper to gold.[/quote]
Rampage was going to fight Chuck no matter what, the whole angle of avenging his loss was too good to pass up. Of course Dana didn’t count on Rampage whipping him even quicker this time…
If Soku was able to beat Big Nog, doesn’t he know the UFC would setup a potential rematch? Yeah, he’d be fed a few nobodys, then he’d headline a main event probably.
[quote comment="130072"]If Soku was able to beat Big Nog, doesn’t he know the UFC would setup a potential rematch? Yeah, he’d be fed a few nobodys, then he’d headline a main event probably.[/quote]
Dude, have u realized yet that big nog has a twin brother who fights at 205. Thats who Soku beat,
Big Nog is Antonio Rodrigo NOguerra (minatuaro)
hais twin Antonio Rogerio Noguerra is who soku beat
Soku has never fought Big Nog.
Thank you John. Nope, I didn’t realize yet. That is still a good enough sell for the UFC. And Soku did beat Ricardo Arona, that much I’m sure of. And if I’m not mistaken, Ricardo Arona defeated Wandy once, right? Please correct me if I’m wrong. No disrespect, just asking cause I don’t know for sure.
Thor and McCenna: U guys jump on me for knocking Bisping, have u read any of my posts? Im always giving props to bisping, he is a very tough and well rounded young fighter wit a lot of heart (he has the potential to do big things in the sport.
Honestly, Bisping might be my favorite fighter to come out of all the TUF shows. A month ago on a different post from UFC mania, I suggested that I wanted Bisping to fight Tito, and I feel that Tito would loose to Bisping, and there’s a nice story behind that fight that they could use n their promotion. Bisping and his coach Tito always butted heads and Bisping was always pissed at the favoritism Tito always showed to Matt Hamil. I still think Bisping would beat Hamil.
I am just pissed that the UFC hasn’t signed soku, and every other fighter in the top ten for that matter. We cant knock Soku for wanting to fight top guys, he is hot right now, he is ranked in the top 10. Its not like he was just calling out bisping, he wanted to fight Shogun even more. In my oppinion he showed Bisping a lot of respect by asking for Bisping. It’s not like he asked for a title shot, he just wanted to fight a tough opponent and there are more then plentty opponents at 205 that would present a Big Challenge for Soku.
Once again, no knock on Bisping (I am a huge fan, and I hope he smashes Hamil)
I am pissed everytime Dana doesn’t sign a top ten fighter. And all of u should be mad as well, especially when the fighter is only 23 years old and is a solid part of one of the best MMA teams around the world (team quest)
Im sure Bisping wasnt the only opponent that Soku would fight, the onl’y reason he was even called out because he wanted to fight on the same card as his best freind, and training partner Dan Henderson. I believe Dana could have gotten him signed
So lets stop putting Soku vs. Bisping
Lets just get Soku in the UFC, along with every other top 10 fighter in the world. Thats all im tryiong to say
I want Fedor!!!I want Fedor!!!I want Fedor!!!
Soku vs Houston Alexander in December or January Please!!!!!!!
Sokoudjou with time will be rated the top pound for pound figher in the world. (no more then 5 years) He will be the fighter who takes Fedor off the top. Sokoudjou has so much tallent and is only 23 years old. The ufc is INSANE for not signing him! I woulda gave him Bisping, like most people have said they know who Bisping is but not Sokoudjou, so let the world no who he his. Theres no doubt in my mind he would win and that it would be an amazing fight. Bisping loves to fight and knows that Sokoudjou is a big name fighter atleast with us BIG MMA fans and if he was to win that fight it would totally make him a lot bigger threat as a LHW.
Admittedly it is pretty insane to see such a well versed 23 year old. I agree with most here, Soko could do big things in this sport.
Give him a couple of years and he would annihilate Rampage. Soko vs. Rua in a couple of years that would be huge.
Wadz,
Besides, Bisping will destroy this guy when the time comes. He’s a star for the time being…and he’ll continue to win as the UFC develops him into a top-notch champion.
Relax buddy I like the count as well, but the sooner he realizes that dropping to middlewieght is in his best interests the better. He’s still got enough on that not exactly chiseled body of his to cut the wieght. Then he might have a chance to be a champ
Bisbing himself said fighting Matt Hamill does nothing for his career. Atleast vs Soku, Mike would’ve gotten a chance to do something special, other than lose a boring fight laying on his back and being embarrassed in his home country to Matt.
[quote comment="130229"]Wadz,
Besides, Bisping will destroy this guy when the time comes. He’s a star for the time being…and he’ll continue to win as the UFC develops him into a top-notch champion.
Relax buddy I like the count as well, but the sooner he realizes that dropping to middlewieght is in his best interests the better. He’s still got enough on that not exactly chiseled body of his to cut the wieght. Then he might have a chance to be a champ[/quote]
MW will never happen for MB.
We have to realize that its not like Soku is dying to fights Bisping, the only reason Bisping was even mentioned is because Bisping is scheduled to fight on the UFC 75 card in Brittain. Soku is Henderson’s #1 training partner, and they are great freinds. Bisping just happened to be the big name on the card fighting at 205, that is the only reason Bisping was even part of the equation.
The guy just wanted to fight at UFC 75 in London. Bisping happened to be the big name on the card. I dont believe it was a personal attack on bisping.
I bread: Arona has beaten wandy, by decision in the semi finals of the 2005 Pride Middleweight grand prix. Soku very togh, young guy, with all the potential in the world. Dana should have found a way to get him in the UFC witout sacrificing Bisping.
I Dont need Soku to fight Bisping. I just need Soku to be signed wit the UFC. Thats all Im saying. Debating the whole Soku vs Bisping thing is pointless, because it wont happen, and like I say Bisping was only mentioned because he happened to be the big name fighting on the card that he wanted to appear on
Correction to someone elses post, Soku is rated in the top 10 of all MMA lists worldwide, someone had suggested that he was only ranked in the top 10 of pride.
Bispings next opponent should be Tito. Tito is scared of all the top dogs, he seems to be content fighting old men and TUF guys (Griffin, Evans). I think Tito would underestimate Bisping n take the fight. However, I think Bisping would wipe the cage wit Tito’s big head
Dana, do what u gotta do, just get Soku in an Octagon
[quote comment="130030"]Lol is he on crack ? Probably the most honest interview ever. Soku would put and end to the golden boy of the UK and his kid glove status. I can picture Dana White looking at Soku and actually asking him if he were on crack. “Dude you know you would whoop up on his ass and ruin any chances I have on bringing more shows to England lol”.[/quote]
ha good one. suppose if hamill beat bisping’s ass? I wouldn’t look past hamill’s chance. wonder what will dana say then…
Soku vs. Tito sounds good to me. Tito doesnt wanna fight anyone tough. Tito has a big name in the MMA world. Soku should be happy wit that level of competition a match up wit Tito provide.
Soku would crush Tituo, n it would be so great to watch!
I think Soku should be offered Tito!
Dana hates tito anyway, what does he care if Soku smashes him.
Either way, get rashad out of the way and give tito either Soku or Bisping for his next fight so I can c tito get smashed.
John, Rashad will make you proud and get the job done right this time and then yes, Tito should be given as an offering of good faith between Dana and Soku. I still have to see what Bisbing is really made of, Elvis left the building quick and Eric Shafer left even quicker…Josh Haynes never had a chance. Ross was a nobody he’d beaten b4 arriving for TUF 3. Besides that Bisbing is a very skilled fighter with the pride of England on his back. I wish him well in his upcoming bout, but I’m rooting for Matt. He wrestled at Utica,NY not to far from here.
[quote comment="129289"]HE WONT FIGHT SOUKOUDJOU BISPING IS A COWARD THAT HAND PIKS HIS OPPONENTS …WAY TO STEP UP MIKE …MATT HAMILL???CMON UEXPECT PEOPLKE TO ADMIRE YOU ???WHO HAVE U FACED THAT HAS ANY TALENT …BISPING IS AN ASSHOLE[/quote]
Mania,
this is the type of comment that angers me,you should not alow this kind of talk on here.If I was to make a comment like this about Randy Couture or Forrest Griffen(which I wouldnt coz I have more respect)it would be deleted.
[quote comment="130130"]Thor and McCenna: U guys jump on me for knocking Bisping, have u read any of my posts? Im always giving props to bisping, he is a very tough and well rounded young fighter wit a lot of heart (he has the potential to do big things in the sport.
Honestly, Bisping might be my favorite fighter to come out of all the TUF shows. A month ago on a different post from UFC mania, I suggested that I wanted Bisping to fight Tito, and I feel that Tito would loose to Bisping, and there’s a nice story behind that fight that they could use n their promotion. Bisping and his coach Tito always butted heads and Bisping was always pissed at the favoritism Tito always showed to Matt Hamil. I still think Bisping would beat Hamil.
I am just pissed that the UFC hasn’t signed soku, and every other fighter in the top ten for that matter. We cant knock Soku for wanting to fight top guys, he is hot right now, he is ranked in the top 10. Its not like he was just calling out bisping, he wanted to fight Shogun even more. In my oppinion he showed Bisping a lot of respect by asking for Bisping. It’s not like he asked for a title shot, he just wanted to fight a tough opponent and there are more then plentty opponents at 205 that would present a Big Challenge for Soku.
Once again, no knock on Bisping (I am a huge fan, and I hope he smashes Hamil)
I am pissed everytime Dana doesn’t sign a top ten fighter. And all of u should be mad as well, especially when the fighter is only 23 years old and is a solid part of one of the best MMA teams around the world (team quest)
Im sure Bisping wasnt the only opponent that Soku would fight, the onl’y reason he was even called out because he wanted to fight on the same card as his best freind, and training partner Dan Henderson. I believe Dana could have gotten him signed
So lets stop putting Soku vs. Bisping
Lets just get Soku in the UFC, along with every other top 10 fighter in the world. Thats all im tryiong to say[/quote]
Sorry John i wasnt trying to disagree with you about Bisping i was more addressing the whole outlook on how because some of us disagree with a certain pov we are labeled uninformed and such. I like Soku id like to see him in the UFC i also like Bisping if they were to fight id be happy to see either win. I deff agree get all the top 10.
TUF is the worst thing that ever happened to pro mma (ufc). Watch how Soko MOVES in his fight with Nog. He will go through anyone from the UFC like a knife through butter. A cage just means nowhere to run.