Jardine vs. Liddell and shogun vs. forrest are not as bad of fights as a lot of us bloggers seem to believe. This is MMa, serra crushed st pierre. couture made big tim look silly. Anything can happen when 2 fighters face off.

However out of the two underdogs(griffin, Jardine) I believe that jardine has the better chance of pulling off an upset.

In my oppinion shogun is a top 3 pound 4 pound fighter in the world. I really dont c griffin winning. I also dont see this being a boring fight. What scares me is the oddsmakers arent making shogun that big of a favorite. I believe the betting line is shogun -150. Liddell is the bigger favorite at -300. Betting is a huge business and shogun not being a heavy favorite scares me. Do they know something we dont?

Chuck is great, shogun is great! Jardine n Griffin r both bangers that have the ability to pull off these upsets.

In my oppinion Jardine has the tools to beat chuck. He needs to slow chuck down wit his devestating Low kicks to have any shot at winning. griffin should just close his eyes and swing for the fences.

Not to mention Fitch vs. Sanchez has potential to be great.
So what if there are no title fights, it doesnt mean this cant be an amazing card. I believe that overal we can c a better event then the “stacked” pay per view.

I dont know whats going on wit greg jacksons camp. Sanchez lost his last fight(I know he had staph). Jardine lost his last fight.
Rashad wasnt very impressive.
Marquardt got destroyed. and now diego left his camp. Greg needs to get his camp back on the right track

Mania , what do u think of the following betting lines:

Shogun only -150 (is this due to the lack of recognition cuz I think his odds should be around Liddells – 300.

Also what do u think about Sanchez being a 120 underdog against Fitch? Personally I think Fitch will win the fight, but deigo’s record is 19 – 1 and fitch hasn’t exactly fought the toughest of opponents.

If you look at Jardine’s last two fights: he was losing both fights in standup. Griffin was winning the whole fight until Jardine clipped him and beat Griffin by ground and pound. In Jardine’s last fight; he was completely destroyed by Alexander. Jardine was winning until Alexander kept attacking Jardine’s chin. I wonder, which Jardine we will see? Will we see the Jardine that was very tentative and not willing to exchange and strike with Forrest or are we going to see the Jardine that comes after you, just like his fight with Alexander. I hope we see the Jardine that comes after you because when he does; he will get KTFO by Liddell.

Jardine can talk smack all he wants, but there is no way he is getting a title shot, cause there is no way he is beating Liddell. Only chance Jardine has is taking Liddell down to the ground, but that won’t happen. I expect Liddell to be a smarter and precise with his shots, than his list last fightm no more single body shots, Jardine eventually will get caught right in the grill.

Prediction first or second round, Liddell, KO or TKO.

[quote post="3048"]In my oppinion shogun is a top 3 pound 4 pound fighter in the world. I really dont c griffin winning. I also dont see this being a boring fight. What scares me is the oddsmakers arent making shogun that big of a favorite. I believe the betting line is shogun -150. Liddell is the bigger favorite at -300. Betting is a huge business and shogun not being a heavy favorite scares me. Do they know something we dont?[/quote]

JOHN, where are you finding these odds? If Shogun is currently at -150, I’m going to put at least $600 on him right now!

dream on.

Everyone expects Forrest to get mauled by Shogun but he won’t. Forrest can outwrestle him, outcondition him, and Forrest can take a lot of punishment (i.e, Tito Ortiz fight, first fight with Bonnar). However Shogun is a MMA phenom, but he may have octagon jitters or something which sets him at a disadvantage. Anything can happen in this fight.

[quote post="3048"]fitch hasn’t exactly fought the toughest of opponents. [/quote]

He submitted Roan Carneiro in the 2nd round which is pretty damn impressive, and has defeated Josh Burkman and Thiago Alves.

[quote comment="127544"][quote post="3048"]In my oppinion shogun is a top 3 pound 4 pound fighter in the world. I really dont c griffin winning. I also dont see this being a boring fight. What scares me is the oddsmakers arent making shogun that big of a favorite. I believe the betting line is shogun -150. Liddell is the bigger favorite at -300. Betting is a huge business and shogun not being a heavy favorite scares me. Do they know something we dont?[/quote]

JOHN, where are you finding these odds? If Shogun is currently at -150, I’m going to put at least $600 on him right now![/quote]

violent mike: Thos r the odds. no joke.
http://www.ufcbettingodds/blogspot

liddell – 300
Shogun – 150
Fitch – 150

This is all aspects a good main event card..Liddell vs Jardine..I see this fight really being fought inside Chuck’s comfort zone..of course MMA feeds off these match ups for upsets..I really see Chuck winning via KO..maybe 1st or 2nd round. Jardine can beat up TUF guys but has yet to beat a Chuck class fighter..this is his opportunity to prove to himself and the rest of us..that he belongs on the honor roll.

SHOGUN vs Forrest..there is no question in my mind that SHOGUN will win this fight..

” John, I don’t know about the betting odds..but in my book regardless of SHOGUN being a UFC first timer..the cards a really stacked against Forrest. ”

SHOGUN is a animal, not even in his prime that has ThaiBox, BJJ, Wrestling, all types of flying kicks, a chin, heart, and is excited to fight in front of the UFC fans..the only glimmer of hope..because there is always hope in MMA..Forrest’s only chance in this match-up is to try to out Wrestle SHUGON..and thats it.

If Forrest wants to stand with him..he will get his face broken..play BJJ he’ll get the shit beat out of him. Forrest is training with Couture which gives him a gameplan to try to just to clinch, greco, wrestle.. and alot faith in GOD.

Diego vs Fitch..that can possibly be fight of the night and or of the year when these 2 face off in the Octagon..Fitch pushes the pace and is always attacking..Diego’s style adapts and fits good against that style of fight..depends on who shows up that day..gameplan..and a who’s luckier.

John, I clicked the link but it didn’t work. Can I actually place a bet on that site?

MANIA, I know that you recommend a certain site for betting cash on UFC matches, what site is that? Because I want to see if they have those same odds on Shogun.

Underestimating Keith Jardine isnt a smart thing to do. Guy is a warrior, got caught against Houston just like many fighters got caught against many other fighters. Jardine is a rough hardnose guy that has the tools to beat almost anyone in his division on any given day. Im not saying he isnt gonna win, but I would never count out a fighter to the caliber of Keith Jardine.

well, everyone says chuck should win and he should, but given what we seen of chucks chin in his last fight i could see an upset happening, not likely, but who the hell knows anymore

Jardine has a good chance of scoring a upset!

As far as styles go I think KJ is taylor made for CL. Every time I watch him fight he seems slow(striking), moves forward alot and CL loves to counter and backpeddle. KO Late First Round ICE MAN. Any fighter any day has a chance at an upset, thats all part of the nature of the sport. I would love to be proven wrong. I would love to start seeing a UFC that doesn’t have HUGHES, LIDELL, FRANKLIN, BONNAR, GRIFFIN, these are the UFC’S fighters they’re crem da la crem if you will. And I am tired of seeing them returning to the title every other card. Lets get some new blood and root for the upset!!!!

i think forrest is gonna try to out point shigun and look for a decision. Shogun has to push to win.

Keith Jardine says “If I beat Chuck Liddell, it puts me back in line for a title shot”

I laugh at this nonsense. As I have said 5-7 times already, this match does nothing for the landscape of the Light Heavyweight division. If Chuck loses, he is done and forced to fight the likes of Stephan Bonnar and Mike Nickels.

If Keith Jardine wins ok so what, he beats a 37 year old whose glory days are behind him. You think he is going to get a huge match up with Rampage or even Tito Ortiz for that matter ? Hell no, this fool got his stuff handed to him by Houston Alexander and caught a lucky break against Forrest. You can make an argument that Jardine winning is a nightmare for the UFC, they lose their poster boy and imagine a massacre between Jardine versus Henderson or Silva geezz.

Forrest Griffen on the other hand defeating Shogun in a three round decision is more likely and would be a good thing. Shogun can always use the “first octagon thing” as an excuse and no one would think less of him cause Griffen is a warrior. Plus having Shogun get a nice lil tune up fight against Jardine or Evans (when they both lose) will help Shogun out a bit.

[quote comment="127564"]Underestimating Keith Jardine isnt a smart thing to do. Guy is a warrior, got caught against Houston just like many fighters got caught against many other fighters. Jardine is a rough hardnose guy that has the tools to beat almost anyone in his division on any given day. Im not saying he isnt gonna win, but I would never count out a fighter to the caliber of Keith Jardine.[/quote]
I feel the same way. I hope to see him win. He’s a tough as muthafucka. He got knocked down like 4 times against Alexander and he kept getting back up. He definetly wants to win and won’t give up. Hopefully we’ll see some more of his great leg kicks. He’s got a lot of power in his hands, he just happens to have the goofiest fighting stance.

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– Bust Yo Face Inc.

[quote comment="127601"]Keith Jardine says “If I beat Chuck Liddell, it puts me back in line for a title shot”

I laugh at this nonsense. As I have said 5-7 times already, this match does nothing for the landscape of the Light Heavyweight division. If Chuck loses, he is done and forced to fight the likes of Stephan Bonnar and Mike Nickels.

If Keith Jardine wins ok so what, he beats a 37 year old whose glory days are behind him. You think he is going to get a huge match up with Rampage or even Tito Ortiz for that matter ? Hell no, this fool got his stuff handed to him by Houston Alexander and caught a lucky break against Forrest. You can make an argument that Jardine winning is a nightmare for the UFC, they lose their poster boy and imagine a massacre between Jardine versus Henderson or Silva geezz.

Forrest Griffen on the other hand defeating Shogun in a three round decision is more likely and would be a good thing. Shogun can always use the “first octagon thing” as an excuse and no one would think less of him cause Griffen is a warrior. Plus having Shogun get a nice lil tune up fight against Jardine or Evans (when they both lose) will help Shogun out a bit.[/quote]
Glory days are behind him? Guy lost what? 1 fight in 8-9? Liddell is far from being washed up, and @ 37… he is much younger then Randy who everyone sweats now adays. Jardine has been in the picture of top 10 LHWs for the passed oh say year after slapping the hell outa Forrest. Jardine has a VERY good record and lost some VERY close decisions and 1 KO. If he puts down Chuck, he will be right in title contention, no matter how you might look at it.

[quote comment="127571"]well, everyone says chuck should win and he should, but given what we seen of chucks chin in his last fight i could see an upset happening, not likely, but who the hell knows anymore[/quote]

Chuck can take a punch, and he usually does so to get inside. Anybody can be knocked out, but that doesn’t mean he’s been exposed with a glass chin. But you’re right, anything can happen. I don’t think much of Jardine, but if an upset happens, Chuck will be seen as over the hill. Jardine needs a gameplan though. I see that as a mistake.

I think Im going to go with both poster boy on this one. First of all Chuck vs Jardine is going to be totally one sided. Chuck is going to uppercut Jardines head into outerspace in the first round. I will be VERY surprised if Jardine pulls off the upset.
Forrest on the other hand has a chance to win this one actually. Some people here are saying he might as well be a child in there against Shogun. Forrest just has a heart of Gold which can never blemish in a true fighter. I also thought his biggest weakness was leaving his chin out to get pounded when ever he opened up. In his last fight against Ramirez, I was greatly impressed he didnt do that but once or twice and still landed some very nice array of punches and kicks. He pretty much made Ramirez look like an amaeture. If Forrest stays back and doesnt get TOO aggressive, and Shogun pushes the pace and comes after him. I will not be surprised one bit if Forrest beats his face in. Im not saying Shogun doesnt have a chance to win, but Im putting my money on Forrest.

[quote comment="127636"]I think Im going to go with both poster boy on this one. First of all Chuck vs Jardine is going to be totally one sided. Chuck is going to uppercut Jardines head into outerspace in the first round. I will be VERY surprised if Jardine pulls off the upset.
Forrest on the other hand has a chance to win this one actually. Some people here are saying he might as well be a child in there against Shogun. Forrest just has a heart of Gold which can never blemish in a true fighter. I also thought his biggest weakness was leaving his chin out to get pounded when ever he opened up. In his last fight against Ramirez, I was greatly impressed he didnt do that but once or twice and still landed some very nice array of punches and kicks. He pretty much made Ramirez look like an amaeture. If Forrest stays back and doesnt get TOO aggressive, and Shogun pushes the pace and comes after him. I will not be surprised one bit if Forrest beats his face in. Im not saying Shogun doesnt have a chance to win, but Im putting my money on Forrest.[/quote]

..It’s your money.. but your better off given it to charity to support a good cause.

[quote post="3048"] If Forrest stays back and doesnt get TOO aggressive, and Shogun pushes the pace and comes after him. I will not be surprised one bit if Forrest beats his face in. Im not saying Shogun doesnt have a chance to win, but Im putting my money on Forrest. [/quote]

Good call, people think Shogun will murder Forrest, but Forrest isn’t gonna quit for anything in this fight. This could go either way. I could see either of them winning a later round TKO or a decision.

Ya, he is going to get knocked out in 10 seconds this time.

[quote comment="127555"][quote comment="127544"][quote post="3048"]In my oppinion shogun is a top 3 pound 4 pound fighter in the world. I really dont c griffin winning. I also dont see this being a boring fight. What scares me is the oddsmakers arent making shogun that big of a favorite. I believe the betting line is shogun -150. Liddell is the bigger favorite at -300. Betting is a huge business and shogun not being a heavy favorite scares me. Do they know something we dont?[/quote]

JOHN, where are you finding these odds? If Shogun is currently at -150, I’m going to put at least $600 on him right now![/quote]

violent mike: Thos r the odds. no joke.
http://www.ufcbettingodds/blogspot

liddell – 300
Shogun – 150
Fitch – 150[/quote]
whos ever seen mauricio shogun rua actually fight knows what hes capable of. hes beaten 4 of the top 10 fighters in the world 2 by tko. so well see if he still has it.

CHUTE BOXE BEST CAMP IN THE WORLD!!!!

” …but Forrest isn’t going to quit for anything in this fight..”

Right!,until the incident where his face crashes into SHOGUNS Knees, elbows, or knuckles at high speeds..either 1. he’ll be in his 5th dream or 2. he’ll wish he was KO’d..so the pain can go away.

Here comes another Alexander style KO…Jardine will be back on the UFN card for his next fight.

[quote comment="127618"][quote comment="127571"]well, everyone says chuck should win and he should, but given what we seen of chucks chin in his last fight i could see an upset happening, not likely, but who the hell knows anymore[/quote]

Chuck can take a punch, and he usually does so to get inside. Anybody can be knocked out, but that doesn’t mean he’s been exposed with a glass chin. But you’re right, anything can happen. I don’t think much of Jardine, but if an upset happens, Chuck will be seen as over the hill. Jardine needs a gameplan though. I see that as a mistake.[/quote]

i am not saying chucks chin is suspect, and i am with you i have never seen anything in jardine, chuck should win! but when was the last time chuck was in a war, think about henderson and the fights he has be apart of, i really don’t think chuck is at the same level anymore. understand i am not a chuck hater, i just see other fighters like henderson rammage ect, that are alot more hungry

Luppers you took my words out of context a bit. I dod not say that Chuck is over the hill or anything, I said IF HE LOSES, IF, then it means nothing because Jardine beat a 37 year old whose BEST DAYS are behind him. Chuck losing two fights in a row would cement that statement. BEST DAYS behind him being that statement. I still that Chuck is a force but if he loses, it isnt good for him.

In regard to Keith winning, if he does, it means doo doo. The following are all ahead of Jardine win, lose, draw, or otherwise.

Rampage Jackson – obviously
Dan Henderson – fighting for title
Chuck Liddell – As you said Luppers won last 8 of 9
Shogun – Dont like him much but definitly good
Wanderlei Silva – I would think anyway
Forrest Griffen – Why do you think he is fighting the tougher Shogun instead of fighting Chuck ? Spoon feeding Shogun by making him fight Jardine is a cake walk

Chachi
Aug 16th, 2007 at 12:11 pm Quote this comment
Here comes another Alexander style KO…Jardine will be back on the UFN card for his next fight.

LOL Ultimate fight night cards home to the best $1,500 per fight earners.

[quote comment="127562"]John, I clicked the link but it didn’t work. Can I actually place a bet on that site?

MANIA, I know that you recommend a certain site for betting cash on UFC matches, what site is that? Because I want to see if they have those same odds on Shogun.[/quote]

I checked the website i gave u, and I dont think u can bet on that site. The sight thats offering those odds and that u can actually bet on is bookmaker.com

[quote comment="127598"]i think forrest is gonna try to out point shigun and look for a decision. Shogun has to push to win.[/quote]
Everyone who has come over from Pride has looked a little tentative in their first fight- except Crocop but then he got clocked in his second. Shogun is going to be feeling the pressure. Forrest is expected to lose anyway so he should be calm, collected and ready to rumble. Who knows, could be a huge upset.

PhilQNY: I dont know if u misinterpreted my comment. Shogun is an absolute beast! I have seen everysingle pride fight of his multiple times. Shogun in my oppinion would beAT fORREST 99 OUT OF 100 TIMES. I was just making the analogy of how, for example: in Football, lets say last year the colts were only -2 favorite at home against the raiders. Something is fishy about that, the colts should prolly be a -12 favorite, so everyone bets the colts and then the raiders win the game out right. My point is I wonder if the oddsmakers have gotten as skilled in setting the lines in MMA as they r in the NFL because if they r, then
shogun -150 seems fishy to me.

Im just trying to look at it from a different point of view, my personal oppinion is griffin will be seriously Annailated.

I wonder the reasoning as to y shogun isn’t a -300 favorite like Liddell is, instead of -150 favorite. The only explanation I can come up with is shoguns underexposure to the USA public. On the other hand Noguera was like a -500 favorite in his first octogan fights versus hearing. I really think the oddsmakers have made a huge mistake and r either underestimating shogun, or over rating Griffin. Either way my money is on Shogun and I expect a lucrative payday. Thank You oddsmakers u will be paying for my tickets to the November Pay per view

[quote comment="127663"]” …but Forrest isn’t going to quit for anything in this fight..”

Right!,until the incident where his face crashes into SHOGUNS Knees, elbows, or knuckles at high speeds..either 1. he’ll be in his 5th dream or 2. he’ll wish he was KO’d..so the pain can go away.[/quote]

or senerio #3 the fight will go to the ground n shogun will put on a clinic, and since forrests stupid ass doesnt like to tap out, Shogun may take forrest’s arm back to brazil with him

Got ya.

The biggest issues I have with the Rua-Griffin fight, there is NO WAY Forrest will win that fight if he fights like he did in his last fight against sickdog. Rua is WAAAY to aggressive and quite frankly, wild… Playing the waiting game isnt gonna work if your opponent is the aggressor. Rua is gonna have NO respect for Forrest’s hands and come at him totally nonstop until Forrest rings his bell (if he can.)
Im not counting the old Forrest out, Im counting the post KO by Jardine, testicle lacking forrest.

Kevin, I can see where your coming from now, I definitely did read something wrong.

i dont think that forrest has a shot jardine beat the crap out of forrest and houston handed jardine his ass chuck needs a win to show the ufc fans he is not washed up(not that he is) i always root for and bet on chuck to win jardine has his hands full and so does forrest 2 great fights(i hope)

I THINK IF YOU GUYS WHAT TO SEE WHAT RUA AND GRIFFIN FIGHT IS GOING TO BE LIKE.GO BACK AND SEE THE FIGHT BETWEEN SILVA AND FRANKLEN. I SEE GRIFFEN COME OUT DOING PRETTY GOOD AT FIRST TAG TAG TAG AND THEN GETS CAUGHT IN A MOYTAI AND THEN GETS KNEED TO DEATH.

ESPN news: “Well Kieth Jardine sure surprised MMA fans around the world when we was knocked out before the first round had even begun….”
I’m ready for a good ol fashion Chucky knock out.

What?????
Who does think Keith he is? he won Forrest,so what??? He underestimated Houston,but him wooped his ass.
Chuck by tko round 1,2

Chuck is without doubt the better all round technical fighter, but I’m going for the upset. Houston fight aside, I still think Jardine is a serious threat to Chuck and I’m not saying that Chuck has a glass jaw, but he went down a lot quicker than Jardine did. Jardine did go down, but man he took some heavy blows before he did. Jardine also has punching power which I think people might be forgetting. Beating Forrest may not be that bigger deal, but Forrest has got to be one of the toughest guys to take out, and Jardine completely destroyed him. Either way I don’t see this getting past the first round. I think this is going to a better fight than people expect.

[quote post="3048"]I SEE GRIFFEN COME OUT DOING PRETTY GOOD AT FIRST TAG TAG TAG AND THEN GETS CAUGHT IN A MOYTAI AND THEN GETS KNEED TO DEATH. [/quote]

Yeah, I heard of the “MOYTAI”, that’s that new Toyota Hybrid coming out, the Toyota Moytai.

LoL. Yeah, I saw that commercial. It’s a cool car. Isn’t MOYTAI also an alcoholic beverage with mint?

Everyone expects Forrest to get mauled by Shogun but he won’t. Forrest can outwrestle him, outcondition him, and Forrest can take a lot of punishment (i.e, Tito Ortiz fight, first fight with Bonnar). However Shogun is a MMA phenom, but he may have octagon jitters or something which sets him at a disadvantage. Anything can happen in this fight.

Are you serious…No disrespect but Forrest is no where near the league of Shogun dude…I wont predict a victory because in MMA fights are unpredictable but…Forrest may be able to out wrestle him..but… shogun can definatly outcondition him and comparing a tito ortiz punishment to a shogun punishment is rediculous…sorry bro you need to watch the shogun versus rampage fight on youtube and you will understand..

MAUY THAI MAUY THAI SORRY FOR THE MISS SPELLING. I’LL CHECK BEFORE I SUBMIT AND I’LL MAKE SURE I PUT THE TOILET SET DOWN FOR YOU GIRLS ALSO. HAHA JUST KIDDING

[quote post="3048"] am not saying chucks chin is suspect, and i am with you i have never seen anything in jardine, chuck should win! but when was the last time chuck was in a war, think about henderson and the fights he has be apart of, i really don’t think chuck is at the same level anymore. understand i am not a chuck hater, i just see other fighters like henderson rammage ect, that are alot more hungry [/quote]

I 100% agree w/ you… Chuck is an awesome striker no doubt but in reality so far it seems like he has always out struck non-strikers and so far has been out struck by good strikers (except Vitor Belfort of course) ..bottom line i just want to see chuck outstrike this guy like he should but even then i need to see him against Shogun, rampage, henderson ect. to find out how good he really is because in my opinion he outclasses Jardine and every one knows it..

Does anybody agree that Jardine vs. Forrest II and Chuck vs. shogun would have been much better matchups for the night????

Chuck Beer Gut will get the job done. ‘Nuff said.

[quote comment="128456"][quote post="3048"]I SEE GRIFFEN COME OUT DOING PRETTY GOOD AT FIRST TAG TAG TAG AND THEN GETS CAUGHT IN A MOYTAI AND THEN GETS KNEED TO DEATH. [/quote]

Yeah, I heard of the “MOYTAI”, that’s that new Toyota Hybrid coming out, the Toyota Moytai.[/quote]
[quote comment="128465"]LoL. Yeah, I saw that commercial. It’s a cool car. Isn’t MOYTAI also an alcoholic beverage with mint?[/quote]
MAUY THAI MAUY THAI SORRY FOR THE MISS SPELLING. I’LL CHECK BEFORE I SUBMIT AND I’LL MAKE SURE I PUT THE TOILET SET DOWN FOR YOU GIRLS ALSO. HAHA JUST KIDDING

Chuck is going to teach this clown some respect.

[quote post="3048"]Does anybody agree that Jardine vs. Forrest II and Chuck vs. shogun would have been much better matchups for the night???? [/quote]

Any other combination of these 4 fighters would have been better than what they booked.

Chuck/Forrest
Shogun/Jardine

or

Chuck/Shogun
Forrest/Jarding

are all better than

Chuck/Jardine
Shogun/Forrest

[quote comment="127524"]Mania , what do u think of the following betting lines:

Shogun only -150 (is this due to the lack of recognition cuz I think his odds should be around Liddells – 300.

Shoguns not that great, Machida would destroy him, liddell would destroy him, and Griffen has a good chance, sorry bro, Shogun is to reckless he will caught one day he just hasn’t fought a good counter fighter that’s not scared of him, not trying to piss on your parade, just dont be upset when he losses

If chuck losses, time to retire

[quote post="3048"]I 100% agree w/ you… Chuck is an awesome striker no doubt but in reality so far it seems like he has always out struck non-strikers and so far has been out struck by good strikers (except Vitor Belfort of course)[/quote]
In reality Chuck hasn’t had problems with nobody, except Rampage. Who are the other strikers that Chuck has been out struck by? Are you talking about Randy and Horn because those are Chuck’s only other losses.

[quote comment="127520"]Jardine vs. Liddell and shogun vs. forrest are not as bad of fights as a lot of us bloggers seem to believe. This is MMa, serra crushed st pierre. couture made big tim look silly. Anything can happen when 2 fighters face off.

However out of the two underdogs(griffin, Jardine) I believe that jardine has the better chance of pulling off an upset.

In my oppinion shogun is a top 3 pound 4 pound fighter in the world. I really dont c griffin winning. I also dont see this being a boring fight. What scares me is the oddsmakers arent making shogun that big of a favorite. I believe the betting line is shogun -150. Liddell is the bigger favorite at -300. Betting is a huge business and shogun not being a heavy favorite scares me. Do they know something we dont?

yeah they do know somthing that you and alot of other people on here dont seem to get,that is that Shogun has a huge part of his game missing now,out of all the PRIDE fighters Shogun more then anyone took full advantage of the rules that alowed him to use soccer kicks and stomps,I know he has alot more I have watched all of his fights and hes finished fights in all kinds of ways,but how many times has he used soccer kicks and knees to the head to inflict damage on his opponents before finishing them another way,almost every single time,
he has to adapt to the octagon and the new rules and he hasnt exactly got an easy opponent for his first fight,I am fairly confident that Forrest is going to perform the upset here and I am picking Forrest to win by desicion and my fight predictions have been pretty damn good,
I picked GSP to KO hughes in their last fight and although Chuck is my favourite fighter I picked Rampage to KO Chuck in their last fight and this fight I think alot of Shogun fans are going to get a nasty dose of reality.

This is an extremly tough fight for Shogun and the bookys know that.

[quote comment="127601"]Keith Jardine says “If I beat Chuck Liddell, it puts me back in line for a title shot”

I laugh at this nonsense. As I have said 5-7 times already, this match does nothing for the landscape of the Light Heavyweight division. If Chuck loses, he is done and forced to fight the likes of Stephan Bonnar and Mike Nickels.

If Keith Jardine wins ok so what, he beats a 37 year old whose glory days are behind him. You think he is going to get a huge match up with Rampage or even Tito Ortiz for that matter ? Hell no, this fool got his stuff handed to him by Houston Alexander and caught a lucky break against Forrest. You can make an argument that Jardine winning is a nightmare for the UFC, they lose their poster boy and imagine a massacre between Jardine versus Henderson or Silva geezz.

Forrest Griffen on the other hand defeating Shogun in a three round decision is more likely and would be a good thing. Shogun can always use the “first octagon thing” as an excuse and no one would think less of him cause Griffen is a warrior. Plus having Shogun get a nice lil tune up fight against Jardine or Evans (when they both lose) will help Shogun out a bit.[/quote]

OK so your saying that Jardine got lucky against Forrest and Houston Alexander did not get lucky against Jardine,H Alexander was hurt in his fight against Jardine and managed to land a shot and then about another fifty to finaly put away Jardine,Jardine beat Forrest full stop,he caught him and then used skillfull GnP to finish him off,and for a fighter like Chuck to be on a tear the way he was and then to get caught like that was fluke,the first punch that landed was the end of the fight,it showed us nothing of how Rampage has improved,more it showed that Chuck had got too comfortable winning and got sloppy,to you though it showed that Chuck is finished and Houston Alexander is the best fighter in the world.
Do you truly belive what your saying?

[quote comment="128612"]Does anybody agree that Jardine vs. Forrest II and Chuck vs. shogun would have been much better matchups for the night????[/quote]

No that would have been retarded for the UFC. Great Idea, give Liddell 2 losses in a row, or Shogun looses his 1st UFC fight. That would have been the stupidest thing the UFC could have possibly done.

The 2 fights we r getting r fine, throw in sanchez vs. Fitch and its a good enough card. We r all gonna get to c sHOGUN VS. cHUCK, ITS INEVITABLE, AS FANS LETS HAVE A LIL PATIENCE. Liddell and Shogun r huge investments for the UFC, to have them fight when most of the USA doesnt even know who shogun is would be retarded.

Lets have sum patience, this will already be the best MMA year ever.

Lets complain about real issues like Fedor not being signed, that is something to complain about, not the UFC 76 card.

for all the idiots that think forrest and keith have a chance to beat chuck or MAURICIO RUA u guys need to be prepared for the first MORTAL KOMBAT FATALITY to be performed in the ufc by MAURICIO RUA because it is going to be a violent death for poor little forrest. comment now and after his death.