First of all dont u mean in the wake of UFC 74 not 73. Secondly if either of those lightweights fight each other it should be a good fight.

lauzon vs florian would be great. two guys from bean town. florian has been saying he wants to fight a bigger name and lauzon would definitely fit the bill. hopefully the ufc doeant protect lauzon like the other tuf fighters and lets a fight like this go through.

[quote comment="118109"]First of all dont u mean in the wake of UFC 74 not 73. Secondly if either of those lightweights fight each other it should be a good fight.[/quote]

No, I mean in the wake of UFC 73, which is the event that Sherk failed his test.

I would love to see Lauzon fight Florian or Edgar. The question is, which would be the better fight? They would both be great in my opinion. I would prefer that he fought Edgar, that way I can root for my boy J-Lau. BUT, if he was to fight Florian, it would be a tough call on who to root for. I just love rooting for the nerdy kid that looks like he can’t fight, and then kicks ass. Ala, Florian, Lauzon, and Luke Cummo. Rooting against these 3 would be like rooting for the jocks in the Revenge of the Nerds movies.

I would not be surprised to see Florian fight Frank Edgar on that card. Lauzon will not fight either of these guys because he would lose and the ufc does not want that at all. Lauzon will fight a cupcake and be favored by more than $300.00

Personally, I think lauzon vs edgar would be great. I would also like to see Florian Fight a bigger name then lauzon in his next fight. Not taking anything away from Lauzon, I think Florian has earned the right to fight a tougher opponant like joe stevenson, who could be ready to fight again by november, or “Mach” Sakurai assuming he would fight at 155 instead of 170

Joe Lauzon on the fast track in the business I see. A win over Kenny Florian would be defastating for Florian and undoubtedly huge for Joe Lauzon. Frank Edgar would make a bit more sense for Lauzon to take on. Frank Edgar is ranked just slightly lower than Florian in my estimation at # 5 while Florian is # 3. Frank Edgar would be a very nice test and would have fight of night possibilities.

Sean Sherk

Contenders
1. BJ Penn
2. Joe Stevenson
3. Kenny Florian
4. Din Thomas
5. Frank Edgar
6. Spencer Fischer
7. Tyson Griffen
8. Roger Huerta
9. Melvin Guillard
10. Possibly Thiago Tavares

Others
a. Joe Lauzon
b. Nate Diaz
c. Gray Maynard

[quote comment="118137"]Joe Lauzon on the fast track in the business I see. A win over Kenny Florian would be defastating for Florian and undoubtedly huge for Joe Lauzon. Frank Edgar would make a bit more sense for Lauzon to take on. Frank Edgar is ranked just slightly lower than Florian in my estimation at # 5 while Florian is # 3. Frank Edgar would be a very nice test and would have fight of night possibilities.

Sean Sherk

Contenders
1. BJ Penn
2. Joe Stevenson
3. Kenny Florian
4. Din Thomas
5. Frank Edgar
6. Spencer Fischer
7. Tyson Griffen
8. Roger Huerta
9. Melvin Guillard
10. Possibly Thiago Tavares

Others
a. Joe Lauzon
b. Nate Diaz
c. Gray Maynard[/quote]

Wow Kevin. First of all u have Thiago as number 10??? even above Melvin or Din? You must only know of his 2 fight in the ufc. I think your top 2 are correct but thats it..I think when u see Thiago beat down Tyson Griffin in impressive fashion you will begin to realize Thiago will be our new lightweight champion soon. Also in your others you have Joe Lauzon who i would somewhat agree with but nate diaz and gray???? Nate wouldnt last a second with anyone too notable. He got manhandled my gray and came out with a nice choke..was getting manhandled by the 1 fight man cory hill who is just absolutely horrible and was too inexperienced to finish the fight right. And he got manhandled by manny who would have been the winner of tuf 5 if he hadnt dislocated his shoulder. Anyways, I have a really good feelin about Thiago. why do u think they’re already putting him up against tyson?? Kid has incredible talent!

“And he got manhandled by manny who would have been the winner of tuf 5 if he hadnt dislocated his shoulder. ”

You say this based on ONE round?

Sorry I disappointed you Stunnalator … actually I couldnt give a sh1t.

When ranking UFC guys, like I have above, the quality of opponents that Thiago Tavares has faced and beaten placed him at number 10. Others simply means “others” I mention who have bright futures.

Anyway, Din Thomas is certainly top five based on the body of work he has compiled pre 155 being retired, to when it can back recently. He has excellent hands and is on a nice lil win streak. And how can you not agree that Kenny Florian or Frank Edgar are in there as well ? Someone back me up on the ranks.

Thank you color purple !

Also Melvin Guillard pre cocaine would break Thiago Tavares’ face with 2 punches.

purple nurple oops ***

And they are placing Thiago Tavares in a match against Tyson Griffen to test his skills. But the UFC plans on having Griffen win obviously is he stronger and beat Urijah Faber the WEC champ so…..

Joe Momma! Hope he destroys heads! Hometown boy.

Relax Kevin. Don’t get so worked up.

[quote comment="118163"]And he got manhandled by manny who would have been the winner of tuf 5 if he hadnt dislocated his shoulder.[/quote]

I get tired of continually hearing that Manny would have won that fight with Diaz simply because he won round 1. Diaz’s talent lies in his ability to take a good beating while he patiently waits for his opponent to make a mistake and then capitalizes on it with his excellent BJJ. Just look at his 2 fights before Manny. Corey Hill won round 1…Diaz won the fight. Gray Maynard won round 1…Diaz won the fight. Manny won round 1…you see where I’m going with this? I’m not saying Diaz definitely would have won the fight, but just because he lost round 1 in no way means that he was guaranteed to lose the fight. Some day we will hopefully see the rematch, but until then it’s impossible to know what would have happened if Manny hadn’t dislocate his shoulder.

I completely agree with you fix. Diaz can and will hang with a lot of these guys. Huerta would be higher on my list. Guillard would not be on my list. Spencer fisher will beat din thomas by the way. Just to let you know.

[quote post="2922"]Sean Sherk
Contenders
1. BJ Penn
2. Joe Stevenson
3. Kenny Florian
4. Din Thomas
5. Frank Edgar
6. Spencer Fischer
7. Tyson Griffen
8. Roger Huerta
9. Melvin Guillard
10. Possibly Thiago Tavares
Others
a. Joe Lauzon
b. Nate Diaz
c. Gray Maynard [/quote]

I believe that Frankie Edgar is too high on this list. He is ONLY 7-2 with his only notable win being his decision over Tyson Griffen. Melvin Guillard probably isn’t top 10 now either. ‘Possibly’ Thiago Tavarez? I think Thiago is as talented as they get. I look to see him finishing Tyson Griffen to put an end to Tyson’s 25 fight decision streak. And honestly, Gray Maynard as a notable, I’m hoping was a joke.

I would align them as follows:

1. BJ Penn
2. Joe Stevenson
3. Kenny Florian
4. Din Thomas
5. Spencer Fischer
6. Tyson Griffen
7. Thiago Tavares* on the fast track with a win over Griffin
8. Roger Huerta
9. Frank Edgar
10. Nate Diaz

Actually, on my list scratch Diaz at 10, and insert Clay Guida.

That list definitly looks good Mike but to not have Melvin there makes me scratch my head. Regardless of him being suspended for cocaine use, the day before his fight with Joe Stevenson, he was highly regarded, and had he won, he would be in the exact seat that Stevenson is in because of the landscape of the 155 division. Winning would have giving him every oppotunity to be in top three discussions. That said, he lost to the guy we all feel is a top 2 contender, so why does he fall off of the face of the earth … Rick James does coke lol.

Melvin could beat 2-3 guys on the top ten list I feel

I think Viloent Mikes is a lot better than yours Kevin…of course scratching Nate Diaz off there. And yeah Just 1 Fix you have a point but you could easily tell that was not going to happen in that fight. Manny was too short, stocky, and strong for nate to ever be able to get his submission on him. Every round would have looked like the first round. guess we’ll never know. I guarantee you this though, they will not do manny vs. nat again cause dana knows manny would kill nate. If he didnt think so there would already be an immediate rematch now wouldnt there? Its all about the name Diaz in Danas mind. AND WHEN THIAGO KILLS ALL HIS COMPETITION I WILL RAG ON YOU TILL YOU ADMIT IM RIGHT!!

[quote comment="118317"]That list definitly looks good Mike but to not have Melvin there makes me scratch my head. Regardless of him being suspended for cocaine use, the day before his fight with Joe Stevenson, he was highly regarded, and had he won, he would be in the exact seat that Stevenson is in because of the landscape of the 155 division. Winning would have giving him every oppotunity to be in top three discussions. That said, he lost to the guy we all feel is a top 2 contender, so why does he fall off of the face of the earth … Rick James does coke lol.

Melvin could beat 2-3 guys on the top ten list I feel[/quote]
I have Melvin in my top ten lightweights. He’s got great strikes and his power and agility is second to none. He just needs to protect his neck and have better defense.

Dude my top ten and Violent Mike’s are basically 85% identical ?????

Here’s a link to a fight, Roger Huerta vs Melvin Guillard March 5, 2005 Freestyle Fighting Championship. Both fighters had already fought once that night. Crazy fight.

(I’m not sure if I’m allowed to post a vid link, if I’m NOT allowed, I apologize).

http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/wars vol.13/video/x2av10_mma-wars-vol13-by-damien_sport

[quote comment="118349"]Here’s a link to a fight, Roger Huerta vs Melvin Guillard March 5, 2005 Freestyle Fighting Championship. Both fighters had already fought once that night. Crazy fight.

(I’m not sure if I’m allowed to post a vid link, if I’m NOT allowed, I apologize).

http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/wars vol.13/video/x2av10_mma-wars-vol13-by-damien_sport[/quote]

Paste the WHOLE link into your browser.

“Its all about the name Diaz in Danas mind. AND WHEN THIAGO KILLS ALL HIS COMPETITION I WILL RAG ON YOU TILL YOU ADMIT IM RIGHT!! ”

Thiago Tavares beat a railroad worker from Iowa named Jason Black. Who in the UFC, the only organization that matters because everyone strives to be in it, has he beat ?

I dont care if he beat 20 lil Jackie Chan’s in Japan in means sh1t. Im sure we all have a friend who would lay anyone of those lil fockers out after a few shots of Jack Daniels.

Kevin, our list our definitely 85% similar. I copy/pasted yours, and then tweaked it. I hear what your saying about Melvin, but have you taken a look at his record since entering the UFC??? He is only 3-2, with wins over Gabe ‘Donuts and Munchkins’ Rudiger and Rick ‘the 45-yr old karate kid’ Davis who nearly got decapitated against Melvin. He also has a win over Marcus Davis before Marcus went on his winning streak. He has losses to Stevenson and Josh Neer. Neer looked like he had the ablitities to compete in the division, but actually he now fights in the always made fun of IFL.

I was going to give an honorable mention to Marcus Aurellio, but he hasn’t fought in the UFC yet. Also, if Hayato Sakurai can make 155 lbs, I would instantly put him at #2, behind only BJ.

Just saw that Roger Huerta fight against Melvin Guillard. Why was Huerta jumping around like a monkey from the jungle, Melvin tagged him quite a bit and although this fight was ruled a no contest, they raised Guillard’s hand. Hmmm

And of course Melvin also lost to Burkman in episode 1 of TUF, so he is actually 3-3 in my book.

[quote comment="118333"]I think Viloent Mikes is a lot better than yours Kevin…of course scratching Nate Diaz off there. And yeah Just 1 Fix you have a point but you could easily tell that was not going to happen in that fight. Manny was too short, stocky, and strong for nate to ever be able to get his submission on him. Every round would have looked like the first round. guess we’ll never know. I guarantee you this though, they will not do manny vs. nat again cause dana knows manny would kill nate. If he didnt think so there would already be an immediate rematch now wouldnt there? Its all about the name Diaz in Danas mind. AND WHEN THIAGO KILLS ALL HIS COMPETITION I WILL RAG ON YOU TILL YOU ADMIT IM RIGHT!![/quote]

Knock it off Stunnalator.

Huerta sure has cleaned up his striking game since that fight! Wow, he was sloppy looking. It was as if every 10 seconds, time froze, and he spun around in 20 circles, and then continued.

Sorry UFC Mania. I forgot Kevin Kelly is the god of all MMA and knows everything. Oh and Kevin identical means exactly alike. you cant have something thats 85% identical. Good try though. If im wrong about Thiago i promise u will get a formal apology Kevin. Oh and UFC Mania..i forgot to say i received the DVD about a month ago. THANKS AGAIN!!!

[quote comment="118289"][quote post="2922"]Sean Sherk
Contenders
1. BJ Penn
2. Joe Stevenson
3. Kenny Florian
4. Din Thomas
5. Frank Edgar
6. Spencer Fischer
7. Tyson Griffen
8. Roger Huerta
9. Melvin Guillard
10. Possibly Thiago Tavares
Others
a. Joe Lauzon
b. Nate Diaz
c. Gray Maynard [/quote]

I believe that Frankie Edgar is too high on this list. He is ONLY 7-2 with his only notable win being his decision over Tyson Griffen. Melvin Guillard probably isn’t top 10 now either. ‘Possibly’ Thiago Tavarez? I think Thiago is as talented as they get. I look to see him finishing Tyson Griffen to put an end to Tyson’s 25 fight decision streak. And honestly, Gray Maynard as a notable, I’m hoping was a joke.

I would align them as follows:

1. BJ Penn
2. Joe Stevenson
3. Kenny Florian
4. Din Thomas
5. Spencer Fischer
6. Tyson Griffen
7. Thiago Tavares* on the fast track with a win over Griffin
8. Roger Huerta
9. Frank Edgar
10. Nate Diaz[/quote]

Are you Kidding me i guess you guys dont know Joe Lauzon good enough ut the kid is freakishly skilled and watch when he tears up the UFC

[quote post="2922"]No, I mean in the wake of UFC 73, which is the event that Sherk failed his test. [/quote]
My Bad. Read the article wrong. I am a huge Guillard fan and if he gets some submission defense and a good sprawl he would give anyone a run for their money with the bricks he carries alomg with him.

Oh yeah and if he goes to rehab.

While Melvin Guillard certainly doesn’t have the best UFC record in the organization, that fight he had with Josh Neer certainly should have been stopped by the ref. Melvin cut him open better than Ive seen most boxing matches with the exception of Lenox Lewis and Klitchko which was nasty. The blood was gushing from Neer’s eye hardcore and no one would have complained if it was stopped. Melvin got caught on his back shortly after and then was beat. He’s not one of my favorite fighters in the least but at 155 he has a great deal of potential especially with his experience overall.

“Sorry UFC Mania. I forgot Kevin Kelly is the god of all MMA and knows everything”

haha there’s certainly no sarcasim in that one huh….

And after all this time I come to find out that Im not really the greatest mind that the world of MMA has known ? Definitly disappointed by this …

Anyone definitly going to be in Newark for sure when the UFC rolls in ? Should get a group together for a couple beers

[quote comment="118289"]
I would align them as follows:

1. BJ Penn
2. Joe Stevenson
3. Kenny Florian
*8. Din Thomas
5. Spencer Fischer
6. Tyson Griffen
7. Thiago Tavares* on the fast track with a win over Griffin
*4. Roger Huerta
9. Frank Edgar
10. Nate Diaz[/quote]
Flip-flop Huerta for Thomas and I’ll roll with that.

Thomas has a long record with a recent victory over the “carpenter” but he doesn’t strike me as electrifying. Also, I’d draw a line between #5 and #6 as the cut-off for the gold division. Anyone from #5 up is ready for a title shot (inclding Spencer Fisher).

There’s no way Din Thomas should be in the top five…

There’s no way Guillard should be ranked while he’s not in the business (though his talent is undeniable)…

There’s no way Nate Diaz should even be mentioned in this discussion…I agree with the comments above about Diaz (Stun…)

What about that English kid who faught on the Manchester card…Etim??? I see that kid making waves…

This card is gonna be GREAT… REALLY hope to go see this one live.

[quote post="2922"]I would align them as follows:
1. BJ Penn
2. Joe Stevenson
3. Kenny Florian
*8. Din Thomas
5. Spencer Fischer
6. Tyson Griffen
7. Thiago Tavares* on the fast track with a win over Griffin
*4. Roger Huerta
9. Frank Edgar
10. Nate Diaz
Flip-flop Huerta for Thomas and I’ll roll with that.
Thomas has a long record with a recent victory over the “carpenter” but he doesn’t strike me as electrifying. Also, I’d draw a line between #5 and #6 as the cut-off for the gold division. Anyone from #5 up is ready for a title shot (inclding Spencer Fisher). [/quote]

I like Roger Huerta a lot, be he really hasn’t fought ANYONE yet. Which may end up being a smart decision. He is only 24 years old, so theres no need to rush him into a title shot. His 4 wins in the UFC all came against UFC newcomers. He has yet to fight someone with UFC experience. The only loss on his record came to Ryan Schultz who now fights in the IFL. I personally think that Spencer Fisher and Tyson Griffen should both be ranked WELL ahead of Huerta, just based on their level of competition alone. Also, I see way more potential in Thiago Tavarez than I do in Roger Huerta. I would love to see Tavarez vs Huerta after they each win thier next fights. However, I if Tavarez beats and finishes Tyson Griffin, he may only be

one fight away from a title shot.