That is the best way to end 2007..The Axe Murderer vs The Iceman..Wow..my money is on Wand all the way to the bank..and on Matt Serra retaining his title..I look 4ward to seeing these two match ups.

I thought December 2006’s UFC 66 was a very good card, but this December’s card looks to be even better than last December. I hope it is Wanderlei Silva vs. Chuck Liddell. Liddell will beat Silva. The Hughes vs. Serra fight is also going to be really good. I love both Serra and Hughes. I have never rooted against Hughes, since he is one of my favorite fighers ever. I have to go with Serra cause he’s the man. I hope Serra submits Hughes.

Well, atleast he will be in the UFC. Whether it’s against Chuck or not. Great addition to the UFC.

hughes will overwhelm an overrated Serra

Seriously. I like both Serra and Hughes, but Hughes is gonna demolish Serra.

Chuck is a bad fight for Wandy and I am 90% sure he will beat him.I have said this over and over but his style makes him a KO highlight reel adition for Chuck.Wandy will have to come up with a unique gameplan to beat Chuck coz his usual style will definitly not work.
Wandys a great fighter though and its gonna be great to see him fight against whoever.

[quote comment=”116365″]That is the best way to end 2007..The Axe Murderer vs The Iceman..Wow..my money is on Wand all the way to the bank..and on Matt Serra retaining his title..I look 4ward to seeing these two match ups.[/quote]

[quote comment=”116365″]That is the best way to end 2007..The Axe Murderer vs The Iceman..Wow..my money is on Wand all the way to the bank..and on Matt Serra retaining his title..I look 4ward to seeing these two match ups.[/quote]

Damn PhilqNY: we were just talkin about the UFC showing the EAST COAST no love….. Wish wanderlei would be fighting in East Rutherford New Jersey…. although Wandy vs. Chuck would be a great christmass treat, and as u said a great way of ending 2007. I think Matt Sera will succesfully defend his title..
F*ck matt hughes…. as Anderson silva said: “Hughes is a dwarf who is full of himself”…. Anderson doesnt even speak English but even he know Hughes is a dick

Wandy vs chuck could go either way…. Wandy is always super aggresive and can easily overwhelm Liddell, on the other hand chuck is a great counterpuncher.. wanderlei’s style plays to chucks advantage.

I cannoy make a prediction for this fight….. and we all know this fight will not go the distance.

DANA get this shit done.

Does anyone know if Dana is still chucks manager?

[quote comment=”116375″]hughes will overwhelm an overrated Serra[/quote]

..I don’t see how you can say Serra is overrated..the general opinion on Serra is that he was lucky against GSP and won’t be as lucky against Hughes..I think he is an awsome fighter who always lets it all hang out..win or lose..I wouldn’t place him as being overrated.

[quote comment=”116375″]hughes will overwhelm an overrated Serra[/quote]

Serra could KO Hughes though,if he did it to GSP he definitly can do it to Hughes.

Chuck is slippging with age and I think he will be overwhelmed by Wandi. One thing though, people hold his loss to Cro-Cop against him too much. It was open weight tourney and he was fighting a heavyweight. Hendo still smoked him clean though. Anyway I’m looking forward to seeing Silva in the Octagon again, I watched his fight with Belfort from 1998 a week ago and he was a quick victim of the fists of fury. If they fought now Belfort would be destroyed.

[quote comment=”116384″]Chuck is slippging with age and I think he will be overwhelmed by Wandi. One thing though, people hold his loss to Cro-Cop against him too much. It was open weight tourney and he was fighting a heavyweight. Hendo still smoked him clean though. Anyway I’m looking forward to seeing Silva in the Octagon again, I watched his fight with Belfort from 1998 a week ago and he was a quick victim of the fists of fury. If they fought now Belfort would be destroyed.[/quote

..Agree.

“I wouldn’t place him as being overrated.”

I was thinking the same. He actually is probably more underrated. Yes, he was a bit lucky taking down GSP, but Serra had almost earned himself a title shot even before TUF4. Unfortunately for him. Karo kicked his ass…but there’s no shame in that. Serra’s a solid fighter and I’m really hoping he hands Hughes a good ol’ fashioned ass whoopin come December. He has a better chance than most people are giving him credit for.

[quote comment=”116380″]Chuck is a bad fight for Wandy and I am 90% sure he will beat him.I have said this over and over but his style makes him a KO highlight reel adition for Chuck.Wandy will have to come up with a unique gameplan to beat Chuck coz his usual style will definitly not work.
Wandys a great fighter though and its gonna be great to see him fight against whoever.[/quote]

Well, I wouldn’t be so sure about this. Wandy has beaten Rampage before with a KO.

i really want the iceman to win against jardine now,if he wins and wins fast for sure well see him against wandy

Wanderlei Silva was beaten by a Dan Henderson who will be a 185 pound fighter after Rampage beats him. With no soccer kicks allowed in the UFC, Chuck takes this one.

I may be from NY and all but there is zero chance for Matt Serra to beat the greatest welterweight of all time. Matt Hughes is far superior in strength. Any submissions attempts after the 2 minute mark in to the first round will proove to be irrelevant as Hughes will be too sweaty to secure a firm one.

I like them both. Maybe they just knock each other out at the same time like Apollo and Rocky in Rocky 2 lol.

Anderson silva said: “Hughes is a dwarf who is full of himself”…. Anderson doesnt even speak English but even he know Hughes is a dick.

Serra is a well rounded experienced warrior… with a lot of heart…I can c him beating Hughes

Has anyone heard anything about if Dana is trying to sign: Barnett, Rogerio, Arona, sokodjou, Yoshida, akoi, Gomi, Filho, Kang, alister Overeem, Gilbert “el nino”, Misaki, Nick Diaz, Kawajir, Ishida? If anyone has heard anything please let me know.

I would like to c old ass Sakuraba fight 1 more time in the UFC.

[quote comment=”116394″]Wanderlei Silva was beaten by a Dan Henderson who will be a 185 pound fighter after Rampage beats him. With no soccer kicks allowed in the UFC, Chuck takes this one.

I may be from NY and all but there is zero chance for Matt Serra to beat the greatest welterweight of all time. Matt Hughes is far superior in strength. Any submissions attempts after the 2 minute mark in to the first round will proove to be irrelevant as Hughes will be too sweaty to secure a firm one.[/quote]

Hughes is not far superior in strength! Serra will be wrkin his ass off getting stronger - hes gonna beat a now over rated hughes

I just did a bit research… Wandy did beat Rampage twice, both with KOs. Dan Henderson beat Wandy. So, Rampage vs. Dan Henderson should be an interesting match. I doubt if their past fights will affect the outcome of this match.

[quote comment=”116383″][quote comment=”116375″]hughes will overwhelm an overrated Serra[/quote]

Serra could KO Hughes though,if he did it to GSP he definitly can do it to Hughes.[/quote]

Anyone can pretty much knock out anyone in the octagon. I like Serra as a person over Hughes but I would lean towards Hughes in this match up.

Expect to see Hughes vs GSP #3

[quote comment=”116375″]hughes will overwhelm an overrated Serra[/quote]
This is a bad matchup for Hughes. Chris Lytle gave Hughes hell. Matt Hughes time is over. Serra will be underestimated again and will finish him.

Serra will fuck up Dana’s plans again. Gotta love it…

[quote comment=”116407″]I just did a bit research… Wandy did beat Rampage twice, both with KOs. Dan Henderson beat Wandy. So, Rampage vs. Dan Henderson should be an interesting match. I doubt if their past fights will affect the outcome of this match.[/quote]

Do some more homework while your at it. Wandy beat Hendo first. Hendo then won the rematch.

Also MMATH usually doesn’t add up. Anything can happen.
All you “overnighter’s” are killing me!

[quote comment=”116384″]Chuck is slippging with age and I think he will be overwhelmed by Wandi. One thing though, people hold his loss to Cro-Cop against him too much. It was open weight tourney and he was fighting a heavyweight. Hendo still smoked him clean though. Anyway I’m looking forward to seeing Silva in the Octagon again, I watched his fight with Belfort from 1998 a week ago and he was a quick victim of the fists of fury. If they fought now Belfort would be destroyed.[/quote]

…ok, look. Wandy is a stand up striker. Agreed? Good. Chuck is a stand up striker. Agreed? Good. Chucks strikes are all precise, hard, and fast. He will/would DOMINATE wandy.

[quote comment=”116424″][quote comment=”116384″]Chuck is slippging with age and I think he will be overwhelmed by Wandi. One thing though, people hold his loss to Cro-Cop against him too much. It was open weight tourney and he was fighting a heavyweight. Hendo still smoked him clean though. Anyway I’m looking forward to seeing Silva in the Octagon again, I watched his fight with Belfort from 1998 a week ago and he was a quick victim of the fists of fury. If they fought now Belfort would be destroyed.[/quote]

…ok, look. Wandy is a stand up striker. Agreed? Good. Chuck is a stand up striker. Agreed? Good. Chucks strikes are all precise, hard, and fast. He will/would DOMINATE wandy.[/quote]

Really? Wow thanks for telling me that I wasn’t aware. I thought Wandi was GnP and Chuck was pure BJJ.

The article is a slight bit inaccurate. Silva was KOd by Belfort, won a few fights outside the ufc, KOd Tony Petarra in the ufc, won a few in Pride, then lost in a title fight to Ortiz. So he was 1-2 in the ufc during that time

KOS is going to fuck danas plans up.

I suppose Wanderlei will face Tito Ortiz at one point too, in attempt to avenge his loss to him. But I’m not sure if that means anything to Silva.

Wanderlei Silva was unbeatable for years after that loss to Tito.

Both he and Tito are not the same fighters they were 7 years ago, but so what?

Today, Tito couldn’t even beat Rashad Evans. How in hell would he beat Wanderlei again?
And let’s see what Wanderlei has left…

[quote comment=”116394″]Wanderlei Silva was beaten by a Dan Henderson who will be a 185 pound fighter after Rampage beats him. With no soccer kicks allowed in the UFC, Chuck takes this one.

I may be from NY and all but there is zero chance for Matt Serra to beat the greatest welterweight of all time. Matt Hughes is far superior in strength. Any submissions attempts after the 2 minute mark in to the first round will proove to be irrelevant as Hughes will be too sweaty to secure a firm one.[/quote]

People really overestimate how much the Chute Box fighters rely on soccer kicks. The whole “no soccer kicks? He’ll lose! in fact, he has never thrown anything on the feet, and just magics the other fighter on the ground where he lands nothing but soccer kicks”. People said the same thing about Shogun fighting in the Pride ufc shows, and he destroyed both Randleman and Overeem. Being in the ufc won’t make a slight difference in Silva vs Chuck anyway, unless you think Silva will take him down (he couldn’t if he wanted to). That fight will play out 100% on the feet

As far as Serra goes, I don’t think he’ll be overwhelmed like a lot of people are saying. The same was said when another great BJJ fighter moved up to face him, and I think we all remember how that went (hint, Hughes lost). Strength helps, but it doesn’t mean a fighter will automatically win. I thought we all figured that out at ufc 1. I say Hughes still wins, due to his improved submission defense, and ability to keep top position. However, I would not be the least big surprised if Serra submits him.

[quote comment=”116412″][quote comment=”116375″]hughes will overwhelm an overrated Serra[/quote]
This is a bad matchup for Hughes. Chris Lytle gave Hughes hell. Matt Hughes time is over. Serra will be underestimated again and will finish him.

Serra will fuck up Dana’s plans again. Gotta love it…[/quote]

..I see Serra winning the same way BJ beat him the first time they met..Hughes is going to get caught with a sleg hammer..then Serra will have rear naked choke Tapout!!

before Wandy he must beat Meany

[quote comment=”116436″]
People really overestimate how much the Chute Box fighters rely on soccer kicks. The whole “no soccer kicks? He’ll lose! in fact, he has never thrown anything on the feet, and just magics the other fighter on the ground where he lands nothing but soccer kicks”. People said the same thing about Shogun fighting in the Pride ufc shows, and he destroyed both Randleman and Overeem. [/quote]

So true. I chalk that up to people who haven’t seen many Pride fights.

Couldn’t they pick two pictures of Wandy dishing out the beating instead of receiving (on right?). I’m guessing that is against Crocop on the right. Hey, can’t win them all.

Between Iceman and Silva, I’m stuck. I like them both and just hope neither guy gets seriously injured.

[quote post=”2895″]As far as Serra goes, I don’t think he’ll be overwhelmed like a lot of people are saying. The same was said when another great BJJ fighter moved up to face him, and I think we all remember how that went (hint, Hughes lost). Strength helps, but it doesn’t mean a fighter will automatically win. I thought we all figured that out at ufc 1. I say Hughes still wins, due to his improved submission defense, and ability to keep top position. However, I would not be the least big surprised if Serra submits him. [/quote]

hughes was losing badly to penn in the 1st and 2nd, and was nearly submitted.

serra might not give up much reach either, they’re both pretty short. serra has decent hands too.

this could be a long night for hughes. i hope serra via submission

[quote comment=”116412″][quote comment=”116375″]hughes will overwhelm an overrated Serra[/quote]
This is a bad matchup for Hughes. Chris Lytle gave Hughes hell. Matt Hughes time is over. Serra will be underestimated again and will finish him.

Serra will fuck up Dana’s plans again. Gotta love it…[/quote]
Chris Lytle gave Matt Hughes “hell”??? Did Lytle jump him in the parking lot after Hughes dominated him in the cage? Interesting, I did not know that. I only saw their fight where Hughes crushed Lytle out of contention.

[quote comment=”116365″]F*ck matt hughes…. as Anderson silva said: “Hughes is a dwarf who is full of himself”…. Anderson doesnt even speak English but even he know Hughes is a dick.
[/quote]
Ha! I’d like to see what Hughes said to provoke that because Anderson Silva has always been nothing but kind and courteous to all his opponents just before he brutally smashes their faces in.

Wonder if they will have Wandy fight Elvis! LOL

[quote comment=”116384″]Chuck is slippging with age and I think he will be overwhelmed by Wandi. One thing though, people hold his loss to Cro-Cop against him too much. It was open weight tourney and he was fighting a heavyweight. Hendo still smoked him clean though. Anyway I’m looking forward to seeing Silva in the Octagon again, I watched his fight with Belfort from 1998 a week ago and he was a quick victim of the fists of fury. If they fought now Belfort would be destroyed.[/quote]

Wand was in the hospital & diagnosed with Strep the night before the Hendo fight. I respect the hell out of Wand for fighting under that condition & I’m willing to forget the resulting poor performance in his title defence against Hendo. Anyone whose ever had Strep knows that it’s a feat in itself to even attempt to fight anyone, let alone a fighter of Hendo’s status. I dont care how hard you;ve trained or how much heart you have, when you have Strep, your body refuses to perform anywhere near it’s actual potential, let alone your peak potential.

As far as the Cro Cop loss, again, I commend Wand & any other lighter-weight fighter for stepping up to an open-weight tournament where they are immediately at a disadvantage.

When measuring Wand against any other fighter, I personally use all save the two examples above when weighing him against any opponent. Worst case scenario, it may possibly effect his mental game but certainly is no indication of his fighting ability.

Unless Sylva’s given a light first fight, he’s gonna lose. He best hope he doesn’t have to face Chuck first - that would be an aweful and potentially career ending (re)debut. Sylva should look to avoid Rampage, Henderson, Lidell, Shogun, Tito, Forest, and Bisping until he’s had some kind of warmup. While I’ve always thought he was a tough dude (one of the very best), he’s finished. It’s inevitable…
To those who think Serra’s gonna take Hughes, are you f…ing nuts? Serra will be schooled in this one. Once Hughes get’s his belt back bring on Diego, GSP, Swick,or even Karo. Good times are coming!

Wanderlei has 3 ufc fights
2 losses and 1 win (against tony petarra)

[quote comment=”116463″]Unless Sylva’s given a light first fight, he’s gonna lose. He best hope he doesn’t have to face Chuck first - that would be an aweful and potentially career ending (re)debut. Sylva should look to avoid Rampage, Henderson, Lidell, Shogun, Tito, Forest, and Bisping until he’s had some kind of warmup. While I’ve always thought he was a tough dude (one of the very best), he’s finished. It’s inevitable…
To those who think Serra’s gonna take Hughes, are you f…ing nuts? Serra will be schooled in this one. Once Hughes get’s his belt back bring on Diego, GSP, Swick,or even Karo. Good times are coming![/quote]

If you honestly think Silva would lose to Forrest or Bisbing, mma isn’t for you. There are plenty of other sports out there. Dare I suggest badmitten?

I’m going to take a shot in the dark here and guess you started watching the ufc sometime in 2005 or later, and that Griffin vs Bonnar is your favorite fight of all time. Am I close?

[quote comment=”116469″][quote comment=”116463″]Unless Sylva’s given a light first fight, he’s gonna lose. He best hope he doesn’t have to face Chuck first - that would be an aweful and potentially career ending (re)debut. Sylva should look to avoid Rampage, Henderson, Lidell, Shogun, Tito, Forest, and Bisping until he’s had some kind of warmup. While I’ve always thought he was a tough dude (one of the very best), he’s finished. It’s inevitable…
To those who think Serra’s gonna take Hughes, are you f…ing nuts? Serra will be schooled in this one. Once Hughes get’s his belt back bring on Diego, GSP, Swick,or even Karo. Good times are coming![/quote]

If you honestly think Silva would lose to Forrest or Bisbing, mma isn’t for you. There are plenty of other sports out there. Dare I suggest badmitten?

I’m going to take a shot in the dark here and guess you started watching the ufc sometime in 2005 or later, and that Griffin vs Bonnar is your favorite fight of all time. Am I close?[/quote]

Wrong on all counts “expert”. You don’t like my views, too bad. I call things the way I see them. Sylva’s had an awesome career, but at this point I don’t see things going his way (when faced with a legitimate opponent). Please “enlighten” me with your wisdom…

[quote comment=”116467″]Wanderlei has 3 ufc fights
2 losses and 1 win (against tony petarra)[/quote]

Thanks for the correction.

[quote comment=”116463″]Unless Sylva’s given a light first fight, he’s gonna lose. He best hope he doesn’t have to face Chuck first - that would be an aweful and potentially career ending (re)debut. Sylva should look to avoid Rampage, Henderson, Lidell, Shogun, Tito, Forest, and Bisping until he’s had some kind of warmup. While I’ve always thought he was a tough dude (one of the very best), he’s finished. It’s inevitable…
To those who think Serra’s gonna take Hughes, are you f…ing nuts? Serra will be schooled in this one. Once Hughes get’s his belt back bring on Diego, GSP, Swick,or even Karo. Good times are coming![/quote]

Wandi would destroy most of those fighters. He’s already knocked out Rampage 2 times. Bisping? Griffin? Are you kidding me? 2 Rd 1 KO’s there. Tito would be a walkover at this stage of Tito’s career. P.S. Griffin may have to head to Bodog anyway once Shogun takes him apart.

How is he finished? He lost an open weight match to a heavy weight premier striker, then lost a rematch to Henderson who is a long time top notch fighter who is no stranger to fighting at 200 pounds. Personally I think Chuck is closer to finished than Silva.

P.S. Griffin may have to head to Bodog anyway once Shogun takes him apart so he probably won’t get a shot at Wandi in any event.

I’d also like to add that the disrespect to Serra shows a profound ignorance of the game. He isn’t some washed up fighter who was nothing before tuf 4. He was a legitimate contender who just wasn’t quite at the top. Let’s analyze his 4 losses

1. Shonie Carter - He dominated this fight, then got caught and KOd at the very end
2. BJ Penn - If you doubt how good Serra is, watch this fight. It was a very close, competitive fight
3. Din Thomas - I honestly haven’t seen this fight in forever, but I remember it being a close. It was a split decision loss against a guy who was once considered elite, and is still considered a contender
4. Karo - Worst loss of his career. He stayed in it, and showed great heart. Hell, he dropped Karo at the start and did quite a bit of damage in the first. He got overwhelmed the rest of the fight, though

Those are his 4 losses. 2 close decisions, 1 fight he dominated start to near finish before getting caught, and another fight he held his own in at the start, then got handled. The only person you could say convincingly beat him is Karo, and Karo is a damn good fighter.

I’m not saying he will win, but it is not insane to think he will. The only better submission specialist Hughes has fought in his entire career is BJ Penn

This gives Liddell enough time from September to December to take on Silva. This fight will happen in December. I’m glad I held out on Sept. event because it’s going down New Years weekend. We already are guranteed Matt V. Matt. The Liddell/Silva fight is looking promising. Whats left? Couture/Fedor or Couture/?

Chuck is slipping with age. Wandi by knockout.

Serra will retain his belt over Hughes. Hughes will look for the take down at which point Serra will put on a jj clinic. Or hughes will try to stand up where he still doesnt have an advantage. Serra easily.

Yohnstoppable is correct WADZ. Youre way wrong.

I know there would be a weight class issue, but they should figure out a way to make this Brandon Vera’s second fight of the year. Vera is asking for two fights before the end of the year, right? Might as well make it a blockbuster. Vera vs. Silva would be awesome!

I do agree that Chuck being strictly a counterstriker might get an opening on Wandi but you have to remember that Chuck can not handle an aggressive fighter. Every time someone has really pressured him and go after him agressively, he has lost…
If Wandi comes out with an unagressive fight plan like he did against Hendo, it’s gonna be a easy night for Chuck.
People complain that Wandi is too wild and too agressive but thats the only style that works for him.
I see Wandi coming out swinging and getting the TKO win in the second round.
GO SILVA!!!!

[quote comment=”116470″][quote comment=”116469″][quote comment=”116463″]Unless Sylva’s given a light first fight, he’s gonna lose.
Sylva should look to avoid Rampage, Henderson, Lidell, Shogun, Tito, Forest, and Bisping until he’s had some kind of warmup.
[/quote]
I’m going to take a shot in the dark here and guess you started watching the ufc sometime in 2005 or later, and that Griffin vs Bonnar is your favorite fight of all time. Am I close?[/quote]
Wrong on all counts “expert”. You don’t like my views, too bad. I call things the way I see them. Sylva’s had an awesome career, but at this point I don’t see things going his way (when faced with a legitimate opponent). Please “enlighten” me with your wisdom…[/quote]
Hey don’t shoot your WADZ on us!

That’s quite a list there starting out with Rampage then Henderson… but wait, Forest and Bisping jump in there at the end? Where’s the bouncer? No riff-raff in this club. Did you really just say Wanderlei Silva better not fight Bisping? Sure, maybe in another 5 years but I don’t think Bisping would be interested in taking that fight yet. Bisping just got punked in round #1 by Elvis for God’s sake. He is not a top ranked contender yet even in his own mind.

[quote comment=”116504″][quote comment=”116470″][quote comment=”116469″][quote comment=”116463″]Unless Sylva’s given a light first fight, he’s gonna lose.
Sylva should look to avoid Rampage, Henderson, Lidell, Shogun, Tito, Forest, and Bisping until he’s had some kind of warmup.
[/quote]
I’m going to take a shot in the dark here and guess you started watching the ufc sometime in 2005 or later, and that Griffin vs Bonnar is your favorite fight of all time. Am I close?[/quote]
Wrong on all counts “expert”. You don’t like my views, too bad. I call things the way I see them. Sylva’s had an awesome career, but at this point I don’t see things going his way (when faced with a legitimate opponent). Please “enlighten” me with your wisdom…[/quote]
Hey don’t shoot your WADZ on us!

That’s quite a list there starting out with Rampage then Henderson… but wait, Forest and Bisping jump in there at the end? Where’s the bouncer? No riff-raff in this club. Did you really just say Wanderlei Silva better not fight Bisping? Sure, maybe in another 5 years but I don’t think Bisping would be interested in taking that fight yet. Bisping just got punked in round #1 by Elvis for God’s sake. He is not a top ranked contender yet even in his own mind.[/quote]

He got punked in round 1 by Elvis? I thought he took stood up for a little and then took Elvis down and beat the living crap out of him till the round was over. I need to study up on “punking”.

[quote comment=”116470″]Wrong on all counts “expert”. You don’t like my views, too bad. I call things the way I see them. Sylva’s had an awesome career, but at this point I don’t see things going his way (when faced with a legitimate opponent). Please “enlighten” me with your wisdom…[/quote]

What are you basing this on, though? It wasn’t long ago when he KOd Rampage twice, defeated Arona in a rematch, and destroyed Fujita (not to mention gave Hunt a hell of a fight at a HUGE weight disadvantage). But forget that, he lost 2 fights in a row against top 3 ranked fighters, so he sux now. Everyone is as good as their very last fight, of course, which is why you neglect to mention Rampage’s fights vs Shogun, Yoon Dong Sik, Lindland (gift decision), and Eastman. Those don’t matter, though, cause he beat Chuck again.

As far as Forrest and Bisbing, who have they beaten that even comes CLOSE to Silva? Forrest’s best win of his career is against Monson, and Bisbing haven’t even fought anyone that good. The best either of them have fought is Forrest against Tito, and he lost. Saying those guys would hand it to Silva makes it clear you are uninformed, and started watching mma after the tuf era.

Tito and Chuck I’ll give to you, though. I think Silva would beat Tito, but he has shown a weakness to solid wrestling skills (Arona, Henderson, and yes even vs Rampage). Chuck is a toss-up imo. Silva leaves himself open, and has a very aggressive style, so I wouldn’t be surprised if Chuck landed a nice counter and put him away.

[quote comment=”116379″]Seriously. I like both Serra and Hughes, but Hughes is gonna demolish Serra.[/quote]

How? Serra by tko

silva will knockout chuck, just like he kocked out rampage in both of thier fights.

[quote comment=”116487″]I know there would be a weight class issue, but they should figure out a way to make this Brandon Vera’s second fight of the year. Vera is asking for two fights before the end of the year, right? Might as well make it a blockbuster. Vera vs. Silva would be awesome![/quote]
Can Vera make light heavyweight? I’ve seen mention of it but nothing definite yet. That would be an awesome matchup.

[quote comment=”116505″][quote comment=”116504″][quote comment=”116470″][quote comment=”116469″][quote comment=”116463″]Unless Sylva’s given a light first fight, he’s gonna lose.
Sylva should look to avoid Rampage, Henderson, Lidell, Shogun, Tito, Forest, and Bisping until he’s had some kind of warmup.
[/quote]
close?[/quote]
Please “enlighten” me with your wisdom…[/quote]
Hey don’t shoot your WADZ on us!

That’s quite a list there starting out with Rampage then Henderson… but wait, Forest and Bisping jump in there at the end? Where’s the bouncer? No riff-raff in this club. Did you really just say Wanderlei Silva better not fight Bisping? Sure, maybe in another 5 years but I don’t think Bisping would be interested in taking that fight yet. Bisping just got punked in round #1 by Elvis for God’s sake. He is not a top ranked contender yet even in his own mind.[/quote]
He got punked in round 1 by Elvis? I thought he took stood up for a little and then took Elvis down and beat the living crap out of him till the round was over. I need to study up on “punking”.[/quote]
You’re right, not the entire first round. Elvis slapped him around early but Bisping came back and finished him off. Elvis is supposed to be more of a submission guy. He competes in that Abu Dhabi tournament which doesn’t allow striking. But if Elvis can slap Bisping around for a bit… then Silva could do quite a bit more.

Whoa, why are people picking on Serra? At least he never gives up in his fights and shows great heart through all of them. You guys are beginning to act like most of the UG.

Now on to Wandy. Imagine if Chuck lost to two PRIDE fighters, would that spell the end and retirement thereafter for the great Iceman?

Here’s a little MMAth for you:

Matt Serra defeated Ivan Menjivar who defeated Joe Lauzon who defeated Jens Pulver who defeated BJ Penn who defeated Matt Hughes.

So this is in the bag for Matt Serra right? haha

When I get bored at work I just look through fighters records. I stumbled upon Ivan Menjivar’s win over Joe Lauzon and had to jump on the opportunity to use some MMAth for you guys.

[quote comment=”116479″]I’d also like to add that the disrespect to Serra shows a profound ignorance of the game. He isn’t some washed up fighter who was nothing before tuf 4. He was a legitimate contender who just wasn’t quite at the top. Let’s analyze his 4 losses

1. Shonie Carter - He dominated this fight, then got caught and KOd at the very end
2. BJ Penn - If you doubt how good Serra is, watch this fight. It was a very close, competitive fight
3. Din Thomas - I honestly haven’t seen this fight in forever, but I remember it being a close. It was a split decision loss against a guy who was once considered elite, and is still considered a contender
4. Karo - Worst loss of his career. He stayed in it, and showed great heart. Hell, he dropped Karo at the start and did quite a bit of damage in the first. He got overwhelmed the rest of the fight, though

Those are his 4 losses. 2 close decisions, 1 fight he dominated start to near finish before getting caught, and another fight he held his own in at the start, then got handled. The only person you could say convincingly beat him is Karo, and Karo is a damn good fighter.

I’m not saying he will win, but it is not insane to think he will. The only better submission specialist Hughes has fought in his entire career is BJ Penn[/quote]

Serra is a tough, experienced fighter wit a lot of heart, and solid technique… Shit he was doing great against Karo until he gassed. With better cardio that fight would have been totally different….and Im a huge Karo fan….Matt hughes is in trouble!

[quote comment=”116375″]hughes will overwhelm an overrated Serra[/quote]

The only reason I would want Serra to win is that, if he loses, he will likely fall out of the mix entirely and GSP will never get to avenge his loss. Even if GSP regains the title, the fact that he will not get to crush the NY wart is very unsatisfying.

[quote comment=”116412″][quote comment=”116375″]hughes will overwhelm an overrated Serra[/quote]
This is a bad matchup for Hughes. Chris Lytle gave Hughes hell. Matt Hughes time is over. Serra will be underestimated again and will finish him.

Serra will fuck up Dana’s plans again. Gotta love it…[/quote]

Hughes dominated Lytle for 15 minutes. Serra beat Lytle via SPLIT-decision in the TUF 4 finale. I think you’ve confused which fighter Lytle gave hell to.

I see a lot of people not giving credit to Hughes ground game. He’s not the type of guy you can just sneak a triangle or armbar onto while he’s on top. He’s got great control, awareness, and oft-overlooked technique. He’s probably at a black belt level (at least for sub-defense, if not overall), and he’s got enough tools on offense to finish 80% of his fights. Physically he’s as strong as they come at 170.

By contrast, Serra has finished just 2 of his last 9 fights in the UFC, the most recent by TKO. His only submission win came against Kelly Dulante. He hasn’t shown that he’s got an amazing offensive submission game in the least. If he couldn’t finish those other 7 guys with it, he’s not going to finish Matt freaking Hughes with it.

Serra’s in trouble, I figure Hughes wins this > 80% of the time. Serra’s only chance is to get a TKO, and I don’t think Hughes isn’t going to mess around and stand with him. He’s going to take him down and completely dominate him.

[quote comment=”116535″]Now on to Wandy. Imagine if Chuck lost to two PRIDE fighters, would that spell the end and retirement thereafter for the great Iceman?[/quote]

What’s a PRIDE fighter, and what are they doing in the UFC?

I really don’t think that Wandy should fight Chuck in his first fight back in the UFC. Yes, he has fought in the UFC before, but the key is that he is coming off of 2 devastating losses. I think he needs to have a fight vs a bum so he can re-gain his confidence. But there is no way that Dana would allow this, evidence by him rushing Rampage into the title shot, Rampage said he wanted at least 2 fights before fighting Chuck - and look what happened, Dana, HAHAHA.

They should throw Wandi in there with a Jason Lambert or something. Let him beat the life outta someone if front of all the newbie UFC fans who still think his first name, Wanderlei, is pernounced with a ‘W’ = Wand-er-ly

[quote comment=”116538″]Here’s a little MMAth for you:

Matt Serra defeated Ivan Menjivar who defeated Joe Lauzon who defeated Jens Pulver who defeated BJ Penn who defeated Matt Hughes.

So this is in the bag for Matt Serra right? haha

When I get bored at work I just look through fighters records. I stumbled upon Ivan Menjivar’s win over Joe Lauzon and had to jump on the opportunity to use some MMAth for you guys.[/quote]

Lindland > Baroni > Chonan > Anderson Silva > Rich Franklin > Tanner > Terrell > Lindland. Thus, we know Lindland would defeat Lindland in a fight, which he did at ufc 43 by KOing himself with a slam

He got punked in round 1 by Elvis? I thought he took stood up for a little and then took Elvis down and beat the living crap out of him till the round was over. I need to study up on “punking”.[/quote]
You’re right, not the entire first round. Elvis slapped him around early but Bisping came back and finished him off. Elvis is supposed to be more of a submission guy. He competes in that Abu Dhabi tournament which doesn’t allow striking. But if Elvis can slap Bisping around for a bit… then Silva could do quite a bit more.[/quote]

Elvis never slapped Bisping around…watch the fight again. He caught Bisping with a solid knee, but was unable to capitalize because he had already taken such a crazy beating. Bisping would eat Sylva for lunch - you’ll see!

[quote comment=”116574″]Elvis never slapped Bisping around…watch the fight again. He caught Bisping with a solid knee, but was unable to capitalize because he had already taken such a crazy beating. Bisping would eat Sylva for lunch - you’ll see![/quote]

Is he moving up to heavyweight to fight Sylvia now?

[quote post=”2895″]Bisping would eat Sylva for lunch - you’ll see! [/quote]

Unfortunately we will never see, because Babied Bisping is still fighting the like of Matt Hammill in his 3rd fight, when Forrest was fighting Tito Ortiz in his 3rd fights.

Honestly, Bisping has a better chance of getting matched up with Mark “Skywalker” Hamill before Wanerlei Silva. Dana would never allow such a match. He wants to preserve Bisping undefeated recored by feeding him complete bums that’s style fits right into his, ala Chuck’s title run, but this time he doesn’t have to call the opponents “#1 contenders”. I bet Bisping’s next fight takes place in the UK, again, and is against someone making their UFC debut.

[quote comment=”116568″]They should throw Wandi in there with a Jason Lambert or something. Let him beat the life outta someone if front of all the newbie UFC fans who still think his first name, Wanderlei, is pernounced with a ‘W’ = Wand-er-ly[/quote]

I say we put him up against Bisbing and let Wadz have his wish. After he tags him, which Ross Pointon, Josh Haynes, and Elvis Sinosec were able to do, it will be a short night as he can actually finish. I don’t see the ufc ever allowing that to happen though

I agree Yohnstoppable, the more and more I hear about Bisping, the more I want to see him stuck in Wandy’s clinch. WADZ would be able to hear him crying from his house.

* muay thai clinch

[quote comment=”116538″]Here’s a little MMAth for you:

Matt Serra defeated Ivan Menjivar who defeated Joe Lauzon who defeated Jens Pulver who defeated BJ Penn who defeated Matt Hughes.

So this is in the bag for Matt Serra right? haha

When I get bored at work I just look through fighters records. I stumbled upon Ivan Menjivar’s win over Joe Lauzon and had to jump on the opportunity to use some MMAth for you guys.[/quote]
Penn has fought outside of his weight class too so you could probably chain the MMAth waaaay out there:

Penn beat Renzo Gracie who beat Frank Shamrock who beat Tito Ortiz who beat Wanderlei Silva who beat Fujita who beat Bob Sapp.

So Matt Serra beat 375-lb Bob Sapp.

[quote comment=”116391″][quote comment=”116380″]Chuck is a bad fight for Wandy and I am 90% sure he will beat him.I have said this over and over but his style makes him a KO highlight reel adition for Chuck.Wandy will have to come up with a unique gameplan to beat Chuck coz his usual style will definitly not work.
Wandys a great fighter though and its gonna be great to see him fight against whoever.[/quote]

Well, I wouldn’t be so sure about this. Wandy has beaten Rampage before with a KO.[/quote]

Yeah well Tito and Vitor Belfort have beat Wandy.Styles make fights and Wandys style makes him perfect for Chuck.Hes agressive and comes at his opponents,Chucks a great counter fighter and has the better chin.Chuck and his trainer have wanted this fight for ages coz they know Wandys style is exactly what Chuck wants.
Rampage was KOed each time by Wandy with knees and the same when he fought Shogun,he needs to work on escaping the clinch coz he obviously has alot of trouble with that.

[quote comment=”116469″][quote comment=”116463″]Unless Sylva’s given a light first fight, he’s gonna lose. He best hope he doesn’t have to face Chuck first - that would be an aweful and potentially career ending (re)debut. Sylva should look to avoid Rampage, Henderson, Lidell, Shogun, Tito, Forest, and Bisping until he’s had some kind of warmup. While I’ve always thought he was a tough dude (one of the very best), he’s finished. It’s inevitable…
To those who think Serra’s gonna take Hughes, are you f…ing nuts? Serra will be schooled in this one. Once Hughes get’s his belt back bring on Diego, GSP, Swick,or even Karo. Good times are coming![/quote]

If you honestly think Silva would lose to Forrest or Bisbing, mma isn’t for you. There are plenty of other sports out there. Dare I suggest badmitten?

I’m going to take a shot in the dark here and guess you started watching the ufc sometime in 2005 or later, and that Griffin vs Bonnar is your favorite fight of all time. Am I close?[/quote]

Ive been into kickboxing boxing and every kind of combat sport since my first memory of life and I belive 0 that Bisping is a serious serious threat to the title,he is the type of fighter who will raise his game every time he takes a step up in competition,it is a real posibility that he would beat anyone in the LH division apart from Chuck coz hes a bad match up for most fighters (except Rampage).Forrest has a real chance at beating Shogun too and Im picking the upset on that one(only coz I think he is going into the UFC way overconfident)but thats a very real posibility.

hes a scary fuk

[quote comment=”116574″] But if Elvis can slap Bisping around for a bit… then Silva could do quite a bit more.[/quote]

Elvis never slapped Bisping around…watch the fight again. He caught Bisping with a solid knee, but was unable to capitalize because he had already taken such a crazy beating. Bisping would eat Sylva for lunch - you’ll see![/quote]

Damn bro, where do you get your herb. I think they are spraying it with something. First of all, Bisping is still a bit wild and that never bodes well in a fight against Wandi. Second, Wandi has been tested much more than Bisping. He has fought not only the best in the world, but a few times, the best from the next division up. I like Bisping and all, but Wandi is without a doubt one of the best three fighters in the world at 205. Bisping is not even in the top 10, though he isnt that far out of it.

[quote comment=”116394″]Wanderlei Silva was beaten by a Dan Henderson who will be a 185 pound fighter after Rampage beats him. With no soccer kicks allowed in the UFC, Chuck takes this one.

I may be from NY and all but there is zero chance for Matt Serra to beat the greatest welterweight of all time. Matt Hughes is far superior in strength. Any submissions attempts after the 2 minute mark in to the first round will proove to be irrelevant as Hughes will be too sweaty to secure a firm one.[/quote]

So in your opinion, submissions only work within the 1st 2 minutes of a fight? Thats rediculous! so If Minatouro doesnt win in the 1st 2 minutes of a fight, are u saying he should just quit?

Sorry to get off topic here…. but is it true that Bas rutten is trainig Kimbo Slice?

On Hughes Serra. I give it to Hughes by unimpressive dominance. Serra will do ok on the ground, and there is no way he can stop Hughes from taking him down.

On Wandi… Glad to see him there, hope his slump was just that, a slump and that he will be back full force. Im sure he will, A loss to arguably the best in the weight class above him, and a loss while he is dead sick to Hendo, dosnt mean much to me. I think he is gonna be a force like he was before.

[quote comment=”116598″][quote comment=”116538″]Here’s a little MMAth for you:

Matt Serra defeated Ivan Menjivar who defeated Joe Lauzon who defeated Jens Pulver who defeated BJ Penn who defeated Matt Hughes.

So this is in the bag for Matt Serra right? haha

When I get bored at work I just look through fighters records. I stumbled upon Ivan Menjivar’s win over Joe Lauzon and had to jump on the opportunity to use some MMAth for you guys.[/quote]
Penn has fought outside of his weight class too so you could probably chain the MMAth waaaay out there:

Penn beat Renzo Gracie who beat Frank Shamrock who beat Tito Ortiz who beat Wanderlei Silva who beat Fujita who beat Bob Sapp.

So Matt Serra beat 375-lb Bob Sapp.[/quote]
HAHAHAHAHAHA that takes the cake for MMA math.

[quote comment=”116427″][quote comment=”116424″][quote comment=”116384″]Chuck is slippging with age and I think he will be overwhelmed by Wandi. One thing though, people hold his loss to Cro-Cop against him too much. It was open weight tourney and he was fighting a heavyweight. Hendo still smoked him clean though. Anyway I’m looking forward to seeing Silva in the Octagon again, I watched his fight with Belfort from 1998 a week ago and he was a quick victim of the fists of fury. If they fought now Belfort would be destroyed.[/quote]

…ok, look. Wandy is a stand up striker. Agreed? Good. Chuck is a stand up striker. Agreed? Good. Chucks strikes are all precise, hard, and fast. He will/would DOMINATE wandy.[/quote]

Really? Wow thanks for telling me that I wasn’t aware. I thought Wandi was GnP and Chuck was pure BJJ.[/quote]

Aaron I think u r wrong.. Im pretty sure chuck studies copuerra

Wandy’s in the mix baby! Let’s get it on!

[quote comment=”116386″]”I wouldn’t place him as being overrated.”

I was thinking the same. He actually is probably more underrated. Yes, he was a bit lucky taking down GSP, but Serra had almost earned himself a title shot even before TUF4. Unfortunately for him. Karo kicked his ass…but there’s no shame in that. Serra’s a solid fighter and I’m really hoping he hands Hughes a good ol’ fashioned ass whoopin come December. He has a better chance than most people are giving him credit for.[/quote]

Everyone that Serra faced that was top 5 except GSP beat him. And its not like Serra showcased alot of skill in beating GSP. Anyone that has decent power and can throw their fists has a chance of winning. And yeah Serra beat Lytle by split Dec Hughes also beat Lytle but by winning every round to secure a unanimous dec. And hughes isnt as bad as people try to make him out to be. so what he can be Cocky he’s earned it. Not many fighters in the UFC have 43 wins under their belt against some of the best in the sport. Besides their are alot of fighters 10 times worse than hughes that have trash records. Serra has no more than a moderate chance of beating hughes. I wouldnt be floored if Serra wins by TKO or KO. I deff dont see Serra submitting hughes by Rear naked Choke or arm bar or kimura or americana or trinagle leg or arm etc. Serra is a tough strong oppenent but if hughes comes in the right state of mind and Shape Serra is gonna get Manhandled. Swing away Serra Swing away its your only hope.

Misspelled opponent and triangle.

[quote comment=”116415″][quote comment=”116407″]I just did a bit research… Wandy did beat Rampage twice, both with KOs. Dan Henderson beat Wandy. So, Rampage vs. Dan Henderson should be an interesting match. I doubt if their past fights will affect the outcome of this match.[/quote]

Do some more homework while your at it. Wandy beat Hendo first. Hendo then won the rematch.

Also MMATH usually doesn’t add up. Anything can happen.
All you “overnighter’s” are killing me![/quote]

K.. whatever you say. At least, I didn’t pretend to be a MMA expert and I’m not making any prediction.. I’m just saying that it’ll be an interesting match and their past fights will have no outcome to their future match in Sept. Read carefully. All you “quick-jumpers” are killing me!

[quote comment=”116633″]Ive been into kickboxing boxing and every kind of combat sport since my first memory of life and I belive 0 that Bisping is a serious serious threat to the title,he is the type of fighter who will raise his game every time he takes a step up in competition,it is a real posibility that he would beat anyone in the LH division apart from Chuck coz hes a bad match up for most fighters (except Rampage).Forrest has a real chance at beating Shogun too and Im picking the upset on that one(only coz I think he is going into the UFC way overconfident)but thats a very real posibility.[/quote]

Bisbing leaves himself way too open to be a threat to the title. If he can get floored by Ross Pointon, Josh Haynes, and Elvis Sinosec, an elite fighter would finish him. Silva, Shogun, Chuck, or any other top fighter for that matter wouldn’t let him recover.

And what leads you to believe Shogun is coming into the ufc way overconfident? Just making things up are we? Even if Shogun did come in overconfident, Forrest does not possess the tools to take him out. Forrest was outstruck by Tito of all people, so I don’t see Shogun having any trouble with him, on the feet or on the mat. And if he does get caught, Forrest doesn’t have the KO power to put him away.

[quote comment=”116810″][quote comment=”116633″]Ive been into kickboxing boxing and every kind of combat sport since my first memory of life and I belive 0 that Bisping is a serious serious threat to the title,he is the type of fighter who will raise his game every time he takes a step up in competition,it is a real posibility that he would beat anyone in the LH division apart from Chuck coz hes a bad match up for most fighters (except Rampage).Forrest has a real chance at beating Shogun too and Im picking the upset on that one(only coz I think he is going into the UFC way overconfident)but thats a very real posibility.[/quote]

Bisbing leaves himself way too open to be a threat to the title. If he can get floored by Ross Pointon, Josh Haynes, and Elvis Sinosec, an elite fighter would finish him. Silva, Shogun, Chuck, or any other top fighter for that matter wouldn’t let him recover.

And what leads you to believe Shogun is coming into the ufc way overconfident? Just making things up are we? Even if Shogun did come in overconfident, Forrest does not possess the tools to take him out. Forrest was outstruck by Tito of all people, so I don’t see Shogun having any trouble with him, on the feet or on the mat. And if he does get caught, Forrest doesn’t have the KO power to put him away.[/quote]

Hey now Forrest wasnt outstruck by tito.Forrest had the better looking hands in that fight.

Dana loves blowing Chuck Liddell so you have to see this coming :

If Chuck Liddell does beat Keith Jardine which he should, Dana will again try and do the very best he can to pave the road for his poster boy to get a title shot.

What that means guys is that he will throw Wanderlei Silva in the octagon in his first time in years against Chuck. He will not make it easy at all for Silva. No tune up fights period !!!

Dana wants nothing more than to see Chuck back in a title fight because it makes him more rich. If Silva has to face Chuck Liddell in his very first match in the octagon in over 6 years, it will be tougher than any of you may think. I could see Liddell winning that match and then taking on Rampage for the third time, because for the record …. No way Henderson wins.

THE POINT BEING, DANA BLOWS CHUCK AND WILL DO ANYTHING TO GET HIM BACK TO BEING “THE GUY”.

and Forrest has the power to KO Shogun. The force required to knock a human out while it varies a lil from person to person isnt all that much depending on where you get hit. So if Forrest connects with the right punch yeah Rua is gonna go to sleep wether he can take a punch or not and visa versa.

[quote comment=”116827″]Hey now Forrest wasnt outstruck by tito.Forrest had the better looking hands in that fight.[/quote]

I just rewatched the fight, and the standup was actually quite even. Tito did win the standup in the third, though. I honestly have no idea how one of the judges gave that fight to Forrest

Either way, Shogun is just a teensy tiny bit better than Tito in the standup department

[quote comment=”116844″][quote comment=”116827″]Hey now Forrest wasnt outstruck by tito.Forrest had the better looking hands in that fight.[/quote]

I just rewatched the fight, and the standup was actually quite even. Tito did win the standup in the third, though. I honestly have no idea how one of the judges gave that fight to Forrest

Either way, Shogun is just a teensy tiny bit better than Tito in the standup department[/quote]

Shogun is better than Tito in the striking deff. But Forrest is getting better all the time. and does have the tools to put up a decent battle with Rua. Not to say he will win but i think its deff gonna be a war.

[quote comment=”116831″]Dana loves blowing Chuck Liddell so you have to see this coming :

If Chuck Liddell does beat Keith Jardine which he should, Dana will again try and do the very best he can to pave the road for his poster boy to get a title shot.

What that means guys is that he will throw Wanderlei Silva in the octagon in his first time in years against Chuck. He will not make it easy at all for Silva. No tune up fights period !!!

Dana wants nothing more than to see Chuck back in a title fight because it makes him more rich. If Silva has to face Chuck Liddell in his very first match in the octagon in over 6 years, it will be tougher than any of you may think. I could see Liddell winning that match and then taking on Rampage for the third time, because for the record …. No way Henderson wins.

THE POINT BEING, DANA BLOWS CHUCK AND WILL DO ANYTHING TO GET HIM BACK TO BEING “THE GUY”.[/quote]

I have to agree with this. Wandi should get a ‘warmup’ fight against a decent fighter but not a recent champion. Same as Cro-cop, Rampage, Big Nog, etc. Either way he can handle it, he’s fought and beat the best over his career and should be ready.

[quote comment=”117137″]I have to agree with this. Wandi should get a ‘warmup’ fight against a decent fighter but not a recent champion. Same as Cro-cop, Rampage, Big Nog, etc. Either way he can handle it, he’s fought and beat the best over his career and should be ready.[/quote]

I honestly don’t think he will get an easy warmup fight. Shogun is getting Forrest, one of the more well known fighters who isn’t at the top of the heap, because that is who the ufc wants to market. If they are building Shogun up as the next champion, I don’t think they will make the same effort with Wanderlei. Rather, they will want Silva vs fighters we’ve wanted to see him against for a while, namely Chuck and Tito

[quote comment=”117184″][quote comment=”117137″]I have to agree with this. Wandi should get a ‘warmup’ fight against a decent fighter but not a recent champion. Same as Cro-cop, Rampage, Big Nog, etc. Either way he can handle it, he’s fought and beat the best over his career and should be ready.[/quote]

I honestly don’t think he will get an easy warmup fight. Shogun is getting Forrest, one of the more well known fighters who isn’t at the top of the heap, because that is who the ufc wants to market. If they are building Shogun up as the next champion, I don’t think they will make the same effort with Wanderlei. Rather, they will want Silva vs fighters we’ve wanted to see him against for a while, namely Chuck and Tito[/quote]

I agree…and i think it has a lot to do with age, experience, and potential. Shogun has all of those things going in his favour. Wanderlei has been great, a pure destroyer, but his best days are likely behind him (quite likely the same for Lidell). Rua is potentially the FUTURE of this division; along with Bisping (yes, Bisping), Evans, Rampage, and even Griffin (I may have missed some names). These are the guys the ufc must develop, properly.

“Bisbing leaves himself way too open to be a threat to the title. If he can get floored by Ross Pointon, Josh Haynes, and Elvis Sinosec, an elite fighter would finish him. Silva, Shogun, Chuck, or any other top fighter for that matter wouldn’t let him recover.

And what leads you to believe Shogun is coming into the ufc way overconfident? Just making things up are we? Even if Shogun did come in overconfident, Forrest does not possess the tools to take him out. Forrest was outstruck by Tito of all people, so I don’t see Shogun having any trouble with him, on the feet or on the mat. And if he does get caught, Forrest doesn’t have the KO power to put him away.[/quote]”

I did not see Ross Pointon or Josh Haynes put Bisping in any type of real trouble,Elvis did for a second but then Bisping showed his quick recovery and escape skills and quickly put the fight back in his favour and finished it,and give Bisping his credit,get rid of that Brit hate for a moment and look at his record and his skill,hes finished everyone hes fought,every single fight has been exciting,and in that fight in Manchester he was under enormous pressure fighting infront of his home crowd,he has the potential to beat anyone when he gains some more expierience.

Il tell you how Forrest can win,by frustrating Shogun and just outpointing him and keeping the fight standing,Shogun cant possibly be taking this fight seriously as though Forrest is a threat,that is what makes me think he is over confident,also on his profile on the UFC site he looks like he belives he is a god,the look on his face,he needs to get over himself coz now he cant use those stomps and soccer kicks he has lost a huge part of his game and that all ready means he is only about half as good as he used to be.
I showed my brother a Shogun highlight vid the other day and he said straight away that this guy is not gonna do well in the UFC.Imagine if Chuck had of been able to use stomps and soccer kicks on his second fight with Tito or his 2nd fight with horn or even against Vernon White,Im sure there would be some crazy highlights there.The point is head stomps and soccer kicks are a dirty move which take no skill,if you live in a country where soccer is your national sport you tend to get pretty good at kicking people in the head while they are on the ground.I see some wicked head stomps and soccer kicks nearly every time I go to a club over here and it just does not impress me one bit.

I truly belive a fight between Bisping and Shogun(because of their styles)could very well be the best fight in human history,it would be crazy! it could go either way but my God that would be a hell of a fight to watch,and inevitably one day it will happen.

[quote comment=”116831″]Dana loves blowing Chuck Liddell so you have to see this coming :

If Chuck Liddell does beat Keith Jardine which he should, Dana will again try and do the very best he can to pave the road for his poster boy to get a title shot.

What that means guys is that he will throw Wanderlei Silva in the octagon in his first time in years against Chuck. He will not make it easy at all for Silva. No tune up fights period !!!

Dana wants nothing more than to see Chuck back in a title fight because it makes him more rich. If Silva has to face Chuck Liddell in his very first match in the octagon in over 6 years, it will be tougher than any of you may think. I could see Liddell winning that match and then taking on Rampage for the third time, because for the record …. No way Henderson wins.

THE POINT BEING, DANA BLOWS CHUCK AND WILL DO ANYTHING TO GET HIM BACK TO BEING “THE GUY”.[/quote]

Yeah but its not like Wandi is a complete stranger to the octagon. and he fought earlier this year so he’s not gonna be to rusty as long as he keeps the training up. and “no way Henderson wins” I wouldnt count him out just yet i happen to think Dan is gonna win his fight against Page. But i do agree that Dana is helping Chuck out. Reportedly Liddell was given the choice to fight Jardine,Rua,Machida or Nakamura and he chose Jardine now what the hell is that all about.(besides the obvious possible easy win)

Wanderlei is only 31, its not like he’s an old man. He may still end up with the LHW title. I don’t get the talk of him being done. Chuck is 37 but people still think he in his prime or something.

[quote post=”2895″]Wanderlei is only 31, its not like he’s an old man. He may still end up with the LHW title. I don’t get the talk of him being done. Chuck is 37 but people still think he in his prime or something. [/quote]

But you have to look at the number of fights they have been in, and the fights themselves. Wandy fought more often than Chuck and was involved in many more wars than Chuck.

MOST INTERESTING MATCH-UPS on this THREAD:

Brandon Vera vs Wanderlei Silva
Bisping vs Shogun
Wanderlei Silva vs Ross Pointon - ?

On behalf of bloggers everywhere, someone make this happen. (exept for the Pointon)

[quote comment=”117383″][quote post=”2895″]Wanderlei is only 31, its not like he’s an old man. He may still end up with the LHW title. I don’t get the talk of him being done. Chuck is 37 but people still think he in his prime or something. [/quote]

But you have to look at the number of fights they have been in, and the fights themselves. Wandy fought more often than Chuck and was involved in many more wars than Chuck.[/quote]

Sure but I don’t think he’s all beat up or anything. He gets KO’ed by a HWT then loses to a world class fighter in Dan Henderson, when he is rumored to have been sick, and all of a sudden is all over for the Axe Murderer? I say NO!!! The murder spree will start anew in the UFC!

[quote post=”2895″]Elvis never slapped Bisping around…watch the fight again. He caught Bisping with a solid knee, but was unable to capitalize because he had already taken such a crazy beating. Bisping would eat Sylva for lunch - you’ll see![/quote]

Wadz, I’ve read many a well thought out post from you in the past but this?………”Bisping would eat Sylva for lunch - you’ll see!”…………Are you kidding? It’s glaringly obvious that you are not truly aware of what Wand brings to the table. Bisping has a ton of potential & we should all keep our eye on him but he is by no means on par with any of the top 10 205′ers.

[quote comment=”116696″][quote comment=”116598″][quote comment=”116538″]Here’s a little MMAth for you:

Matt Serra defeated Ivan Menjivar who defeated Joe Lauzon who defeated Jens Pulver who defeated BJ Penn who defeated Matt Hughes.

So this is in the bag for Matt Serra right? haha

When I get bored at work I just look through fighters records. I stumbled upon Ivan Menjivar’s win over Joe Lauzon and had to jump on the opportunity to use some MMAth for you guys.[/quote]
Penn has fought outside of his weight class too so you could probably chain the MMAth waaaay out there:

Penn beat Renzo Gracie who beat Frank Shamrock who beat Tito Ortiz who beat Wanderlei Silva who beat Fujita who beat Bob Sapp.

So Matt Serra beat 375-lb Bob Sapp.[/quote]
HAHAHAHAHAHA that takes the cake for MMA math.[/quote]

Lol, as ridiculous as that sounds, Genki Sudo who is normally a LW was able to beat Butter Bean. Who knows, in theory, maybe Serra could beat Bob Sapp……………did I just type that?

[quote comment=”117325″]”Bisbing leaves himself way too open to be a threat to the title. If he can get floored by Ross Pointon, Josh Haynes, and Elvis Sinosec, an elite fighter would finish him. Silva, Shogun, Chuck, or any other top fighter for that matter wouldn’t let him recover.

And what leads you to believe Shogun is coming into the ufc way overconfident? Just making things up are we? Even if Shogun did come in overconfident, Forrest does not possess the tools to take him out. Forrest was outstruck by Tito of all people, so I don’t see Shogun having any trouble with him, on the feet or on the mat. And if he does get caught, Forrest doesn’t have the KO power to put him away.[/quote]”

I did not see Ross Pointon or Josh Haynes put Bisping in any type of real trouble,Elvis did for a second but then Bisping showed his quick recovery and escape skills and quickly put the fight back in his favour and finished it,and give Bisping his credit,get rid of that Brit hate for a moment and look at his record and his skill,hes finished everyone hes fought,every single fight has been exciting,and in that fight in Manchester he was under enormous pressure fighting infront of his home crowd,he has the potential to beat anyone when he gains some more expierience.

Il tell you how Forrest can win,by frustrating Shogun and just outpointing him and keeping the fight standing,Shogun cant possibly be taking this fight seriously as though Forrest is a threat,that is what makes me think he is over confident,also on his profile on the UFC site he looks like he belives he is a god,the look on his face,he needs to get over himself coz now he cant use those stomps and soccer kicks he has lost a huge part of his game and that all ready means he is only about half as good as he used to be.
I showed my brother a Shogun highlight vid the other day and he said straight away that this guy is not gonna do well in the UFC.Imagine if Chuck had of been able to use stomps and soccer kicks on his second fight with Tito or his 2nd fight with horn or even against Vernon White,Im sure there would be some crazy highlights there.The point is head stomps and soccer kicks are a dirty move which take no skill,if you live in a country where soccer is your national sport you tend to get pretty good at kicking people in the head while they are on the ground.I see some wicked head stomps and soccer kicks nearly every time I go to a club over here and it just does not impress me one bit.

I truly belive a fight between Bisping and Shogun(because of their styles)could very well be the best fight in human history,it would be crazy! it could go either way but my God that would be a hell of a fight to watch,and inevitably one day it will happen.[/quote]

HL vids are just that….High Lights. It’s basically a summary. HL’s are meant to familiarize the unfamiliar & glorify the starring fighter. No one can claim to have a firm grasp on a fighters abilities by watching HL’s alone. It’s like reading the cliff notes on MacBeth & trying to intelligently discuss it with a scholar.

Someone else already posted this earlier but quite a few of you obviously havent read it. Shogun has already competed twice in the States where the stomps & soccer kicks were banned. He won both of those fights just as impressively without the soccer kicks & stomps. Mark my words…..Shogun will continue to dominate. The only concern I have is how will he handle elbows from the guard?

it is LUDACRIS that these UFC MORTALS even attempt to enter the REALM of MAURICIO SHOGUN and WANDERLEI SILVA. they are gonna walk through the ufc.