O man!!! Jardine is in for a world of hurt,

Chuck: 1st round striaght up KO under 30 seconds

Jardine doesnt have a chance. Period. This is a terrible match up. Yea jardine is coming off a hard loss to a noob but so what, chuck is way beyond his game they should have match chuck up with somehting a lil tougher, I think they are just feeding chuck Jardine to make chuck look better after that loss…. just my opinion.

Chuck wins,

KO 1st round under 30 seconds. Period.

Dana is just feeding CHuck lil Jardine b/c they need chuck to look better coming off a bad loss to Rampage, I mean Chuck is the face of the UFC right now and he looked really bad in his last fight, they need him to make up for it, so they give him someone way out of his league.. I mean sure, Jardine is coming off a bad loss also (to a noob) but Chuck is going to dominate him.

Has the Forrest/Shogun fight been officially signed and ready to go, or is there still a possibility he’ll face Machida???
Also, Mania, any word on whether or not this is an ‘official poster’ or if its a fake?

[quote comment="112168"]Has the Forrest/Shogun fight been officially signed and ready to go, or is there still a possibility he’ll face Machida???
Also, Mania, any word on whether or not this is an ‘official poster’ or if its a fake?[/quote]

It’s official per the UFC website.

Many people probably think that Liddell and Shogun will have easy victories, but I can see both of these fights being great!

[quote comment="112168"]Has the Forrest/Shogun fight been officially signed and ready to go, or is there still a possibility he’ll face Machida???
Also, Mania, any word on whether or not this is an ‘official poster’ or if its a fake?[/quote]

Yes. Look at the banner … that’s as official as it gets. For more check out UFC.com.

Well….I like Forrest just because he usually puts on a good show. Although I was rooting for Machida to get the fight. I’m okay with Griffen fighting Shogun. My prediction is Shogun regardless. The main event is the real dissapointment. Jardine instead of Wandy really sucks but styles make fights and it should be a banger. I was going to be there live but changed my mind after finding out Jardine was the replacement. The Sanchez/Fitch fight will be awesome and hopefully Arlovski gets added on. Maybe Vera?????

A pretty nice matchup although the UFC got this alllll wrong.

If Keith Jardine does manage to beat Chuck Liddell, it does nothing for the lightweight division because Jardine cant hang with the likes of Rampage and Wanderlei SIlva. Plus all it does is put a nail in Liddell’s coffin.

On the flip side, the UFC should have spoon fed Shogun with Keith Jardine, thus Forrest could have fought Chuck. It makes sense since both are fan favorites, the winner would be embraced and the loser, if it were Griffen would have nothing to hang his head over. If Forrest Griffen won, it would be good business because the UFC would show their product from TUF 1 has hit the big time and paid dividends.

Forrest could then avenge his BS loss to Tito Ortiz (after he man handles Rashad Evans) and then fight Rampage for the title. Makes for good marketing. Someone give Joe Silva my number for assistance on running this thing.

Kevin “cuts” Kelly

However I do not run this thing so I will simply put my two cents in with regards to my winners

1. Chuck Liddell via KO Keith Jardine Round 2
2. Forrest Griffen via unanimous decision Shogun (YES believe it)
3. Jon Fitch via TKO stoppage Deigo Sanchez (fight of night)

[quote comment="112167"]Chuck wins,

KO 1st round under 30 seconds. Period.

Dana is just feeding CHuck lil Jardine b/c they need chuck to look better coming off a bad loss to Rampage, I mean Chuck is the face of the UFC right now and he looked really bad in his last fight, they need him to make up for it, so they give him someone way out of his league.. I mean sure, Jardine is coming off a bad loss also (to a noob) but Chuck is going to dominate him.[/quote]
I wouldn’t count out the Dean of Mean. Rashad Evan’s is his best friend and training partner and said nobody hits harder than him. Need I remind you of all the upsets of 2007?

Everybody bitches that Chuck is getting fed a can in Jardine. Jardine will put up more of a fight that people think. Secondly, who else is left for Chuck to fight? Shogun and Forrest(would get slaughter against Chuck) are already fighting, Tito and Rashad are fighting each other at UFC 77, Babalu he’s already beaten twice, Lambert (please). Machida apparently isn’t willing to fight right now and Wanderlei chose to fight in November so there really isn’t anyone left, and Chuck wants to fight now. Rampage and Henderson will have just fought also.

What a great name for this UFC. hahaha. Goodnight TUF’s.

lol. This card is a joke. Jardine is dead, Griffin is dead, and diego is dead. I love it. Its like lambs to the slaughter. Down with poster boys!

Liddell wins in the 1st. (KO)
Griffin wins in the 1st. (DQ – soccer kick to the head)

Iceman vs the Dean of Mean..hummmm Chuck is the overrall favorite in this match up..both of them can’t afford lose this fight..the only chance I see of Jardine winning is his camp ( Jeremy Jackson )..his fightplan needs to be tight..his not winning a toe to toe fight wit Chuck.

SHOGUN vs Forrest..can this be possible fight of the year..I don’t know..I see them being similar where there pressing..always attacking..but SHOGUN is much more technical on the deck and with the hands..both have heart..I see SHOGUN with a TKO victory.

Fitch vs Sanchez..now this is a fight in the division that can stir things up..Wow!!! I’m a big fan of both of them..Fitch presses..Sanchez is better with that type of agressive fighter coming at him..Depends on who shows up..gameplan..and a lucky brake in the fight..it can go either way.

[quote comment="112168"]Has the Forrest/Shogun fight been officially signed and ready to go, or is there still a possibility he’ll face Machida???
Also, Mania, any word on whether or not this is an ‘official poster’ or if its a fake?[/quote]

it seems as if the fight has been made official.

Shogun is going to brutally beat Griffen. It’s going to be ugly. And if you watched the Prides in the US you know Shogun can fight under unified rules. Shogun in the 1st by TKO. I’ve been watching his Pride fights and he’s just significantly better than Griffin.

Chuck will win in the second via TKO.

I see shogun destroying forrest and blowing through the lightweight division. I hope Rampage has learned to block those devestating knees and get out of the tai clinch. Every LHW in the UFC shoulod be afraid of shogun

[quote comment="112211"]Liddell wins in the 1st. (KO)
Griffin wins in the 1st. (DQ – soccer kick to the head)[/quote]

U make a great point shogun better watch those soccer kicks and flying stomps. Although I have seen an interview with shogun and he said that chute box always trained both by UFC rules and Pride rules and that it wont affect him.
I hope so cuz u gotta love shogun… 1 of the most exciting, and technically sound fighters in the world. Forrest is the perfect opponant for him, they will both press the pace, unfortunatly for forrest, shogun by KO

[quote post="2833"]A pretty nice matchup although the UFC got this alllll wrong.
If Keith Jardine does manage to beat Chuck Liddell, it does nothing for the lightweight division because Jardine cant hang with the likes of Rampage and Wanderlei SIlva. Plus all it does is put a nail in Liddell’s coffin.
On the flip side, the UFC should have spoon fed Shogun with Keith Jardine, thus Forrest could have fought Chuck. It makes sense since both are fan favorites, the winner would be embraced and the loser, if it were Griffen would have nothing to hang his head over. If Forrest Griffen won, it would be good business because the UFC would show their product from TUF 1 has hit the big time and paid dividends.
Forrest could then avenge his BS loss to Tito Ortiz (after he man handles Rashad Evans) and then fight Rampage for the title. Makes for good marketing. Someone give Joe Silva my number for assistance on running this thing.
Kevin “cuts” Kelly [/quote]

VERY well put Kevin, couldn’t of said it better myself.

[quote post="2833"]Iceman vs the Dean of Mean..hummmm Chuck is the overrall favorite in this match up..both of them can’t afford lose this fight..the only chance I see of Jardine winning is his camp ( Jeremy Jackson )..his fightplan needs to be tight..his not winning a toe to toe fight wit Chuck.[/quote]

That’s Greg Jackson. Greg has one of the top MMA camps, located in Alberquerque, New Mexico. Jeremy is a fighter, who’s only true claim to fame is being the only person to ever finish Nick Diaz, but Nick was only 18 years old at the time.

I don’t really understand the UFC’s thinking with Shogun vs Forrest…

It seems they’re going to do a lot of quick damage to a marketable big name fighter. Not that I don’t think it’ll but a fun fight to watch…

but i might enjoy seeing machida get beat more

[quote comment="112186"]A pretty nice matchup although the UFC got this alllll wrong.

If Keith Jardine does manage to beat Chuck Liddell, it does nothing for the lightweight division because Jardine cant hang with the likes of Rampage and Wanderlei SIlva. Plus all it does is put a nail in Liddell’s coffin.

On the flip side, the UFC should have spoon fed Shogun with Keith Jardine, thus Forrest could have fought Chuck. It makes sense since both are fan favorites, the winner would be embraced and the loser, if it were Griffen would have nothing to hang his head over. If Forrest Griffen won, it would be good business because the UFC would show their product from TUF 1 has hit the big time and paid dividends.

Forrest could then avenge his BS loss to Tito Ortiz (after he man handles Rashad Evans) and then fight Rampage for the title. Makes for good marketing. Someone give Joe Silva my number for assistance on running this thing.

Kevin “cuts” Kelly[/quote]

Mate,Chuck Liddell dosent fight in the lightweight division its actualy the LIGHT HEAVY WEIGHT DIVISION 205 POUNDS.

chuck goes down 1st round, right hook to the jaw. father times clock has struck midnight on the ice man, no disrespect intented.

I just pray Liddell takes his training seriously and comes into this fight strong and fit,as for Forrest,Id love to see the upset there but I think Shoguns gonna kill him.

I think that most people really underestimate Forrest Griffin. He is a good striker, has great conditioning, and can take a lot of punishment. I haven’t seen much of Shogun, and I don’t know if he has fought in a cage, but nonetheless he will be at a disadvantage because it is his UFC debut. Often this stops fighters from fighting to their full potential. I think that this will be the fight of the night and an all out war, no matter who wins.

As far as Liddell vs. Jardine, I would probably favor Liddell because it will probably be a stand-up fight. Liddell cannot take Jardine lightly though, because if Jardine can land his low kick enough times, it could totally change the outcome of the fight.

Is the sanchez/fitch fight confirmed?

Thanks for the props Violent Mike,

But for sure the UFC needs help marketing fighters and planning out how they want divisions to look. Forrest Griffen will win count on it as it will be up for fight of the year honors along with the greatest fight Ive seen to date Spencer Fischer / Sam Stout.

If Forrest loses the UFC loses. They will show a complete lack of credibility in marketing. This guy along with Chuck and Randy brought UFC to the mainstream scene via UFC 52. I remember being at the bar and everyone was like what is this shit. By the end of the night it was all anyone could talk about and the drinks were getting bought up by the dozens.

UFC cannot afford to see Forrest lose, and if they could care less because of the queer acquisition of Pride, they should apaologize to the fans for serving us a product for the past two years in TUF.

All of a sudden a hot blonde strolls along (new big name fighter) and we forget the guys who have been putting in work and making the UFC what it is. I’ll put Dana on his ass when I see him in Jersey and they he can sign me to a contract in the 155 division.

SHOGUN will cut though Forrest like a hot knife through butter. There is NO chance of an upset with this one. Forrest is WAY outclassed here.

chuck and shogun are going to make their opponents look rediculous for stepping in the octagon with them..

If you think Forrest has a chance you’ve not seen SHOGUN fight – go on youtube and see the stompin from hell he brings.

Evan Tanner is on this card also

[quote comment="112191"]However I do not run this thing so I will simply put my two cents in with regards to my winners

1. Chuck Liddell via KO Keith Jardine Round 2
2. Forrest Griffen via unanimous decision Shogun (YES believe it)
3. Jon Fitch via TKO stoppage Deigo Sanchez (fight of night)[/quote]

I argee, Forrest by UD fuck shogun

[quote post="2833"]I think that most people really underestimate Forrest Griffin. He is a good striker, has great conditioning, and can take a lot of punishment. I haven’t seen much of Shogun, and I don’t know if he has fought in a cage, but nonetheless he will be at a disadvantage because it is his UFC debut. Often this stops fighters from fighting to their full potential. I think that this will be the fight of the night and an all out war, no matter who wins.[/quote]

I also agree w/ 12121212 forrest knows the power of shogun and will come prepared for it… all four fighters are respectable..

[quote comment="112242"]I don’t really understand the UFC’s thinking with Shogun vs Forrest…

It seems they’re going to do a lot of quick damage to a marketable big name fighter. Not that I don’t think it’ll but a fun fight to watch…

but i might enjoy seeing machida get beat more[/quote]

You’re looking at it all wrong. They’re not doing quick damage to marketable big name fighter, they’re giving a much bigger and more marketable superstar a career jumpstart in the UFC. Putting an elite and exciting fighter like Shogun into the spotlight is better, in every conceivable way, than keeping a decent yet popular fighter in the spotlight. With all the new talent, the UFC no longer has to coddle its medium quality fighters. In fact, it’s probably better for business long-term if they don’t.

ufcmania when my comment is awaiting moderation does it not show on the blog???

[quote comment="112186"]A pretty nice matchup although the UFC got this alllll wrong.

If Keith Jardine does manage to beat Chuck Liddell, it does nothing for the lightweight division because Jardine cant hang with the likes of Rampage and Wanderlei SIlva. Plus all it does is put a nail in Liddell’s coffin.

On the flip side, the UFC should have spoon fed Shogun with Keith Jardine, thus Forrest could have fought Chuck. It makes sense since both are fan favorites, the winner would be embraced and the loser, if it were Griffen would have nothing to hang his head over. If Forrest Griffen won, it would be good business because the UFC would show their product from TUF 1 has hit the big time and paid dividends.

Forrest could then avenge his BS loss to Tito Ortiz (after he man handles Rashad Evans) and then fight Rampage for the title. Makes for good marketing. Someone give Joe Silva my number for assistance on running this thing.

Kevin “cuts” Kelly[/quote]

If Jardine beats Chuck doesn’t that mean that maybe, just maybe, he’s a top tier fighter? If it’s a fluke knockout, probably not, but if Jardine wins a war then I would love to see him face the likes of Silva and Rampage. Also, I completely disagree with fastracking Forrest just because he has more fans. Jardine has proved himself more than Griffin.

Okay people who haven’t seen Shogun fight, he is very aggressive, he hits hard and loves the head stomps, got a good cinch throws nice knees, decent ground game, sure hes good, but he swings wild, a counter fighters dream, he can be a handful but at the same time vulnerable, so Machida would have creamed him, Forrest has a good chance if he fights smart and dont let Shogun over whelm him.

I really want to see Machida vs Shogun

liddell and jardine look alike only thing different is their hair color and the hair style

I’m really pumped for this one. I hope Jardine and Forrest can hang, maybe even pull off the upsets. It should be exciting stuff!
Just to touch on my opinion of Liddell, he sucks. The only thing he has going for him is that he hits hard. In my opinion, most of his wins have not been by him finding his range and landing punches from weird angles. It’s been by lucky punches. He is not aggressive, he backs up and counter punches, then gets a lucky one in and wins. Rampage figured it out and had an easy win. Hopefully Jardine can do the same.

Imagine Shogun and Bisping that would be a whirlwind of haymakers until someone gets ktfo’ed.

I heard Sean “HGH” Sherk is gonna fight on this card too. I heard he’s gonna take on the entire crowd. My feeling is Sherk beats the entire crowds ass at once via TKO (strikes)…then get’s caught in a arm bar by Jenna Jameson and taps out.

yea that wasnt funny at all so just keep ur mouth shut

It is funny that they have such stupid match ups.

Why not Chuck vs Shogun and Forrest vs Jardine?

Oh yeah.. cause Chuck would lose.

I hope Jardine wins so that it proves they can’t even hand him second rate competition anymore. Maybe he will be the next Huerta and they will just bring in newcomers to the UFC so Chuck can knock them out.

[quote post="2833"]If you think Forrest has a chance you’ve not seen SHOGUN fight – go on youtube and see the stompin from hell he brings. [/quote]

Forrest has a good chance against Shogun. Also, Jardine has a chance against Liddell. I think that Forrest has a better chance than Jardine for pulling off an upset, all things considered. Most people won’t realize how good of a chance he has until the fight begins.

[quote comment="112349"]I’m really pumped for this one. I hope Jardine and Forrest can hang, maybe even pull off the upsets. It should be exciting stuff!
Just to touch on my opinion of Liddell, he sucks. The only thing he has going for him is that he hits hard. In my opinion, most of his wins have not been by him finding his range and landing punches from weird angles. It’s been by lucky punches. He is not aggressive, he backs up and counter punches, then gets a lucky one in and wins. Rampage figured it out and had an easy win. Hopefully Jardine can do the same.[/quote]

Um, those punches aren’t lucky. If it were luck based, he wouldn’t consistantly finish fights by KO. And he wouldn’t be 20-4, with only 2 unavenged losses, both to the same fighter. If it were easy, everyone would learn how to punch hard and then find their range and throw punches at weird angles.

Also, saying Liddell “sucks” is rather ignorant. It’s like saying the Ohio State basketball team “sucks” because they didn’t beat Florida for the championship.

No no, Chuck Liddell is “very good” and easily one of the top 205 fighters in the world.

[quote comment="112418"]It is funny that they have such stupid match ups.

Why not Chuck vs Shogun and Forrest vs Jardine?

Oh yeah.. cause Chuck would lose.

I hope Jardine wins so that it proves they can’t even hand him second rate competition anymore. Maybe he will be the next Huerta and they will just bring in newcomers to the UFC so Chuck can knock them out.[/quote]

The UFC is a business. Having a huge match-up like Shogun vs Chuck has zero draw at this point from the casual fan. In fact, I bet if Chuck was fighting Shogun most fans would think that this Rua guy is a some UFC can making his debut, and that Chuck should be fighting good contenders like Jardine and Forest.

The hardcore fans want the fight for sure, but we’ll have to wait a bit for it. In the meantime, complain some more about it on the internet.

Let me tell you Jardine is coming into this fight with nothing to lose and all to gain Chuck has got alot to lose and both are going to stand and bang so …im the biggest chuck fan around but honestly im nervous about this one for Chuck…And as for forest and sho gun sho gun KO first round Griffin isnt a smart enough fighter to take it to the ground

Good call Icemuncher. Glad someone is smart.

And whoever it was that said that Liddell “sucks” has no idea. NO ONE in the ufc sucks. You could get the worst fighter from TUF and they wouldn’t suck. To say that Liddell is a bad fighter is ridiculous- he’s really one of the best fighters alive.

BTW guys the ufc 74 website is already complete and running

[quote comment="112276"]Thanks for the props Violent Mike,

But for sure the UFC needs help marketing fighters and planning out how they want divisions to look. Forrest Griffen will win count on it as it will be up for fight of the year honors along with the greatest fight Ive seen to date Spencer Fischer / Sam Stout.

If Forrest loses the UFC loses. They will show a complete lack of credibility in marketing. This guy along with Chuck and Randy brought UFC to the mainstream scene via UFC 52. I remember being at the bar and everyone was like what is this shit. By the end of the night it was all anyone could talk about and the drinks were getting bought up by the dozens.

UFC cannot afford to see Forrest lose, and if they could care less because of the queer acquisition of Pride, they should apaologize to the fans for serving us a product for the past two years in TUF.

All of a sudden a hot blonde strolls along (new big name fighter) and we forget the guys who have been putting in work and making the UFC what it is. I’ll put Dana on his ass when I see him in Jersey and they he can sign me to a contract in the 155 division.[/quote]

You don’t coddle a B grade fighter to hold down a future superstar. The fans should want to see the best fighters fight, and that is what is happening with guys like Shogun coming over.

Will Forrest cry again when he comes to?

I’m thinking if Shogun gets passed Griffin and Rampage beats Henderson…I’d be looking at Shogun vs. Rampage…and this is a fight Rampage would want –to avenge his losses. It’ll be great.

I hope it happens.

It’s pretty obvious Chuck is going to walk through Jardine. Jardine wasn’t even TUF champ, I mean yeah, he beat Forrest Griffin but that’s it. Dana’s giving Chuck a “confidence booster” fight. Plain and simple, stepping stone for Chuck.
Funny thing is, Jardine thinks he’s finally getting the recognition he deserves. Did anyone else hear his pre fight introduction before Houston Alexander? He thought he should be fighting for the belt! WHAT?!

Wow, Icemuncher is the man!! Well said indeed.

[quote comment="112418"]It is funny that they have such stupid match ups.

Why not Chuck vs Shogun and Forrest vs Jardine?

Oh yeah.. cause Chuck would lose.

I hope Jardine wins so that it proves they can’t even hand him second rate competition anymore. Maybe he will be the next Huerta and they will just bring in newcomers to the UFC so Chuck can knock them out.[/quote]

Chuck wouldnt lose that fight hes to smart of a fighter…you obviously not a fighter or have no knowledge of fighting…this site should only let Actual fighters or trainers be posting cause its so easy to talk from outside the cage

Chuck will probably get lucky n catch Jardine on tha chin. But that fight doeznt even matter. SHOGUN iz here. nuff said. 205 juzt picked up the #1 fighter in tha world. Thiz guy iz 16-2, 13 of hiz winz have come in tha 1zt rd. He beat Rampage who iz my favorite fighter n said after he lozt that Shogun wuz tha bezt fighter he ever faced. He beat Hiromitsu Kanehara in tha firzt rd by tko, Mirko cro cop beat kanehara by decision so that tellz u how tough he iz. And Shogun beat Minotaur. Need I say more! Thiz iz tha comin out party of tha bezt fighter in mma! I only hope he movez up to Heavyweight like he iz talkin about so Rampage dont have to fight him again. Cant wait for tha fightz!!!!!!!!!!

man if shogun and chuck should lose then im going to be speechless,but on the otherhand no such thing as a sure thing

[quote post="2833"]Chuck wouldnt lose that fight hes to smart of a fighter…you obviously not a fighter or have no knowledge of fighting…this site should only let Actual fighters or trainers be posting cause its so easy to talk from outside the cage[/quote]

Yeah I almost see how that makes sense, stop making so many assumptions.

[quote comment="112193"][quote comment="112167"]Chuck wins,

KO 1st round under 30 seconds. Period.

Dana is just feeding CHuck lil Jardine b/c they need chuck to look better coming off a bad loss to Rampage, I mean Chuck is the face of the UFC right now and he looked really bad in his last fight, they need him to make up for it, so they give him someone way out of his league.. I mean sure, Jardine is coming off a bad loss also (to a noob) but Chuck is going to dominate him.[/quote]
I wouldn’t count out the Dean of Mean. Rashad Evan’s is his best friend and training partner and said nobody hits harder than him. Need I remind you of all the upsets of 2007?[/quote]
[quote comment="112193"][quote comment="112167"]Chuck wins,

KO 1st round under 30 seconds. Period.

Dana is just feeding CHuck lil Jardine b/c they need chuck to look better coming off a bad loss to Rampage, I mean Chuck is the face of the UFC right now and he looked really bad in his last fight, they need him to make up for it, so they give him someone way out of his league.. I mean sure, Jardine is coming off a bad loss also (to a noob) but Chuck is going to dominate him.[/quote]
I wouldn’t count out the Dean of Mean. Rashad Evan’s is his best friend and training partner and said nobody hits harder than him. Need I remind you of all the upsets of 2007?[/quote]

[quote comment="112659"][quote comment="112193"][quote comment="112167"]Chuck wins,

KO 1st round under 30 seconds. Period.

Dana is just feeding CHuck lil Jardine b/c they need chuck to look better coming off a bad loss to Rampage, I mean Chuck is the face of the UFC right now and he looked really bad in his last fight, they need him to make up for it, so they give him someone way out of his league.. I mean sure, Jardine is coming off a bad loss also (to a noob) but Chuck is going to dominate him.[/quote]
I wouldn’t count out the Dean of Mean. Rashad Evan’s is his best friend and training partner and said nobody hits harder than him. Need I remind you of all the upsets of 2007?[/quote]
[quote comment="112193"][quote comment="112167"]Chuck wins,

KO 1st round under 30 seconds. Period.

Dana is just feeding CHuck lil Jardine b/c they need chuck to look better coming off a bad loss to Rampage, I mean Chuck is the face of the UFC right now and he looked really bad in his last fight, they need him to make up for it, so they give him someone way out of his league.. I mean sure, Jardine is coming off a bad loss also (to a noob) but Chuck is going to dominate him.[/quote]
I wouldn’t count out the Dean of Mean. Rashad Evan’s is his best friend and training partner and said nobody hits harder than him. Need I remind you of all the upsets of 2007?[/quote][/quote]

Chuck hits harder then him

[quote comment="112263"]I think that most people really underestimate Forrest Griffin.oyed rampage, I believe he broke He is a good striker, has great conditioning, and can take a lot of punishment. I haven’t seen much of Shogun, and I don’t know if he has fought in a cage, but nonetheless he will be at a disadvantage because it is his UFC debut. Often this stops fighters from fighting to their full potential. I think that this will be the fight of the night and an all out war, no matter who wins.

As far as Liddell vs. Jardine, I would probably favor Liddell because it will probably be a stand-up fight. Liddell cannot take Jardine lightly though, because if Jardine can land his low kick enough times, it could totally change the outcome of the fight.[/quote]

Do yourself a favor and get on dailymotion.com and see if you can dig up shogun vs. rampage(destroyed rampage with knees from the tai clinch) Shogun is one of the most exciting fighters in the world and he is very young still (25, 26 years old). The more u watch of shogun the more u will salivate at his UFC debut. Forrest is in trouble. Yes Shogun has fought in a cage before

[quote comment="112556"]Chuck will probably get lucky n catch Jardine on tha chin. But that fight doeznt even matter. SHOGUN iz here. nuff said. 205 juzt picked up the #1 fighter in tha world. Thiz guy iz 16-2, 13 of hiz winz have come in tha 1zt rd. He beat Rampage who iz my favorite fighter n said after he lozt that Shogun wuz tha bezt fighter he ever faced. He beat Hiromitsu Kanehara in tha firzt rd by tko, Mirko cro cop beat kanehara by decision so that tellz u how tough he iz. And Shogun beat Minotaur. Need I say more! Thiz iz tha comin out party of tha bezt fighter in mma! I only hope he movez up to Heavyweight like he iz talkin about so Rampage dont have to fight him again. Cant wait for tha fightz!!!!!!!!!![/quote]

I agree, shogun is the best fighter in the world and is still very young so he has a major upside. when its all said and one shogun can be one of the MMA greats. Was Shogun really talking about moving up to HW?

[quote comment="112556"]Chuck will probably get lucky n catch Jardine on tha chin. But that fight doeznt even matter. SHOGUN iz here. nuff said. 205 juzt picked up the #1 fighter in tha world. Thiz guy iz 16-2, 13 of hiz winz have come in tha 1zt rd. He beat Rampage who iz my favorite fighter n said after he lozt that Shogun wuz tha bezt fighter he ever faced. He beat Hiromitsu Kanehara in tha firzt rd by tko, Mirko cro cop beat kanehara by decision so that tellz u how tough he iz. And Shogun beat Minotaur. Need I say more! Thiz iz tha comin out party of tha bezt fighter in mma! I only hope he movez up to Heavyweight like he iz talkin about so Rampage dont have to fight him again. Cant wait for tha fightz!!!!!!!!!![/quote]

TommyG, I dont think shogun has ever fought Minatouro, He beet his twin brother Rogerio at Critical Countdown 2005.

[quote comment="112467"][quote post="2833"]If you think Forrest has a chance you’ve not seen SHOGUN fight – go on youtube and see the stompin from hell he brings. [/quote]

Forrest has a good chance against Shogun. Also, Jardine has a chance against Liddell. I think that Forrest has a better chance than Jardine for pulling off an upset, all things considered. Most people won’t realize how good of a chance he has until the fight begins.[/quote]

Shogun will wear the LHW belt within his next 3 fights, and there is nothing Rampage or chuck can do about it. I love chuck, rampage, and shogun, but lets be real shogun is just as devestating on his feet as chuck and rampage, but way deadlier on the ground. Rampage will prolly have to slam him to have a chance at beating him, and I dont think chuck has anything for shogun. Time will tell

P.S get Henderson out of the LHW picture and throw him in the middleweight division which is very weak.

Anyone have any idea, who evan tanner will fight? Im assuming he plans on fighting at middleweight. I would love to through tanner in the cage wit Anderson silva, Tanner is always involved in wars. Tanner vs. Henderson will be awesome too, but I dont know if dana will throw him in the ring wit such quality opponants right away. Dana please get this middleweight division going. I love the champ, but after him its slim pickins.
Is rich Franklins career over, or will he bounce back?
Hope him and arlovski bouth get back on track

[quote comment="112357"]Imagine Shogun and Bisping that would be a whirlwind of haymakers until someone gets ktfo’ed.[/quote]

..Bisping would get dropped if he were to try to exchange with SHOGUN..SHOGUN is like the LHW Anderson Silva..I know Bisping got skills..but against SHOGUN its like bringing a Knife to a GUN fight.

Jardine got stopped by punches that would have made other punchers go down even quicker. He took Houston lightly by showboating and dancing around and he paid the penalty. I’m not judging him by this fight, I’m judging him by the Forrest fight. He destroyed Forrest, one of the toughest guys in the UFC. And for the same reason that I picked Rampage I am going to go with Jardine. Jardine is a very tough fighter whether you like him or not. I think Jardines’ fighting style is dangerouse for Chuck and I think that Jardine will be able to absorb more punishment, he was getting hammered by Houston before he finally went down, Chuck went down from the one punch by Rampage. This is going to be the biggest fight of his life and he knows exactly what Chuck is going to do, and I think he will be ready for it. Even if he loses I believe he will give Chuck a war. I’m looking forward to this one.

Of course Keith Jardine will know whats coming from Chuck Liddell. We all know that he will establish nice angles and throw his left out there, he will then counter punch a bit. Very well ok who doesnt know that ? He may even throw in the occasional kick.

With all that being said, it doesn’t matter if Keith knows its coming, it is simply going to unfold and Keith will get caught. The shots that he throws are a little too loopy and with Chuck’s longer reach, I think he will get off first. I don’t even see a point in having this match up as I have said countless times that it does nothing for the LHW division.

Quite Simply : Dana thinks that he is giving Chuck a quality opponent in Jardine. On the surface to us fans, it seems true. However deep down Dana feels that Chuck will certainly win, therefore he is trying to pave the way for him.

Outcome : Chuck wins…. Who cares he is supposed to. Chuck loses…. Does nothing for the division except puts Chuck in Green Grove Nursing Home a la Sopranos. Jardine would then step in to a match with Rampage or Wanderlei Silva and get crushed.

Now on the other hand, had the UFC properly propelled their investments (Forrest Griffen), they would not simply throw him in the ring with a proven killer in Shogun. I know Forrest Griffen is going to win a 3 round decision but that is irrelevant. The fact is why not thro Jardine in against Shogun.

Reasons for :
1. Keith Jardine got man handled worse than any fight I’ve ever seen in the streets, the ring, or the octagon.
2. Keith Jardine holds a flukey KO win over Forrest
3. Keith Jardine wasn’t even TUF winner

Putting him in against Chuck is bad for the UFC

Forrest on the other hand is a fan friendly and him winning would actually have some meaning.

Reasons for :
1. TUF winner would take on the coach makes for good story line
2. Forrest has already been in the octagon with a top opponent in Tito Ortiz (pre Shamrock and Liddell 2006)
3. He actually has a personality
4. He probably could beat Chuck Liddell where as Keith Jardine will not. Forrest is taller, can take retarded amounts of punishment and lets face it Chuck is a 37 year old who looks 37 a la belly.

Lets give it up for the bright minds of the UFC suits as Billy Walsh would say. They are doing a marvelous job.

I guess it would suck to be you guys if Shogun lost.

[quote comment="112733"]
P.S get Henderson out of the LHW picture and throw him in the middleweight division which is very weak.[/quote]

Right on. Henderson is a BMF, but I think Rampage is going to take him. Henderson could really light the 185 pound division on fire and that would be the best place for him to shine.

[quote comment="112796"]I guess it would suck to be you guys if Shogun lost.[/quote]

Anyone could lose. As long as its a good fight any outcome is fine. I just don’t see a lovable pug like Griffin beating Shogun who is far more skilled. But one punch can change everything.

[quote comment="112818"][quote comment="112733"]
P.S get Henderson out of the LHW picture and throw him in the middleweight division which is very weak.[/quote]

Right on. Henderson is a BMF, but I think Rampage is going to take him. Henderson could really light the 185 pound division on fire and that would be the best place for him to shine.[/quote]

How great would a henderson vs. tanner fight be? It would wild n crazy. henderson right now is prolly the only middleweight that has a shot against anderson.

I think Hendo would take A.S. and it would be one hell of a fight.

[quote comment="112873"][quote comment="112818"][quote comment="112733"]
P.S get Henderson out of the LHW picture and throw him in the middleweight division which is very weak.[/quote]

Right on. Henderson is a BMF, but I think Rampage is going to take him. Henderson could really light the 185 pound division on fire and that would be the best place for him to shine.[/quote]

How great would a henderson vs. tanner fight be? It would wild n crazy. henderson right now is prolly the only middleweight that has a shot against anderson.[/quote]

..Hendo vs da Spida.. would be out of control..Hendo would be a great fight for Silva..it can go either way..but is for now the only fight that can go either way for Silva..cause every1 else would get lit up by the Champ.

[quote comment="112467"][quote post="2833"]If you think Forrest has a chance you’ve not seen SHOGUN fight – go on youtube and see the stompin from hell he brings. [/quote]

Forrest has a good chance against Shogun. Also, Jardine has a chance against Liddell. I think that Forrest has a better chance than Jardine for pulling off an upset, all things considered. Most people won’t realize how good of a chance he has until the fight begins.[/quote]

I know thats what ive been trying to say. Forrest is gonna fair well in this fight imo.

John thankz a lot, u r right it wuz hiz twin brother. Hiz twin brother beat some good guyz though Dan Henderson iz one of em. I never knew minotaur had a brother. N they r identical twinz. thatz scary. Still know disrespect to Forrezt, but Shogun will mozt likely deztroy him. Unlezz he getz DQ’ed cuz the rulez r different n he likez to stomp guyz on tha ground. N yeah on hiz he wuz talkin about movin up to HW before pride wuz sold, so who knowz now.

[quote comment="112979"]John thankz a lot, u r right it wuz hiz twin brother. Hiz twin brother beat some good guyz though Dan Henderson iz one of em. I never knew minotaur had a brother. N they r identical twinz. thatz scary. Still know disrespect to Forrezt, but Shogun will mozt likely deztroy him. Unlezz he getz DQ’ed cuz the rulez r different n he likez to stomp guyz on tha ground. N yeah on hiz he wuz talkin about movin up to HW before pride wuz sold, so who knowz now.[/quote]

Minatauro actually said his twin Rogerio has better boxing than him, and he did beat many quality fighters(sakuraba, henderson) I havent heard of the UFC signing Rogerio yet, he could be another tough fighter added to the UFC LHW division. Actually I forgot that Henderson did beat Minatauro, but that was a long time ago and minatuaro went on to avenge his loss.

Henderson is still a beast, and to make the middleweight division competitive, I hope he losses to rampage and moves down, and work on stripping the spida of his title.

I dont know who the hell would win out of spida vs. Hendo? But im sure it will be awesome.

Anyone hear any rumors on who Evan Tanner will be fighting? Give him a quality opponent and this could be a quality card. So what if we didnt get shogun vs. Chuck, that fight is gonna happen. Forrest vs. Rua , and Jardine vs. Chuck isnt a bad consolation price. All 4 of those fighters will be willing to brawl, grant it I dont see Jardine n Griffin pilling off an upset, it should at the least be 2 very entertaining fights.

Who will tanner fight?
When will brandon Verra be back?
When will they release new pride dvds?

Anyone have any idea about those questions, please reply.

As we all saw this past year, no one is unbeatable, some fighters are damn close though. If Jardine has any chance of pulling off an upset, hes gonna have to do some damage to chucks legs via leg kicks. If he can damage chucks legs and mess up his footwork, then he may have a shot at the Iceman? a big Longshot!

Forrest seems completely outclassed but forrest is a brawler, who is gonna get some shots in on Rua. If the right “lucky” shots gets through, who know what can happen. Both these senerios are highly unlikely, but possible.

I wonder who the Vegas oddsmakers will have as a bigger favorite Lidell or Shogun?

Hell yeah Spida needz some competition, Ecspecially if he deztroyz franklin again. I think Dana iz countin on Rampage lozin to Hendo thatz why he made thiz fight. But he counted on Chuck knockin out Slampage too. N we all saw what happened there. N if chuck winz he better have to fight The Axemurder or Shogun before he getz another shot at Rampage. Not that it would matter. Cuz that would be tha end of chuck. He would look like shamrock lozin 3 timez to tha same guy. After two lozez why do u want a rematch. n every time he lozez therez an excuze involved. I’m so sick of chuck liddell. When Rampage lozt to Shogun he said Damn I got my azz whupped. no excuzez. He jokez about it. Chuck needz to take it like a man. He cant beat Rampage. If Shogun n Rampage fight again n Rampage lozez like he did tha firzt time. I bet he dont azk for a rematch. Chuck suckz!!!! N I dont care who wantz to comment me back. U chuck loverz need to get over it.

What is up with all the Z’s?

[quote comment="113015"]Hell yeah Spida needz some competition, Ecspecially if he deztroyz franklin again. I think Dana iz countin on Rampage lozin to Hendo thatz why he made thiz fight. But he counted on Chuck knockin out Slampage too. N we all saw what happened there. N if chuck winz he better have to fight The Axemurder or Shogun before he getz another shot at Rampage. Not that it would matter. Cuz that would be tha end of chuck. He would look like shamrock lozin 3 timez to tha same guy. After two lozez why do u want a rematch. n every time he lozez therez an excuze involved. I’m so sick of chuck liddell. When Rampage lozt to Shogun he said Damn I got my azz whupped. no excuzez. He jokez about it. Chuck needz to take it like a man. He cant beat Rampage. If Shogun n Rampage fight again n Rampage lozez like he did tha firzt time. I bet he dont azk for a rematch. Chuck suckz!!!! N I dont care who wantz to comment me back. U chuck loverz need to get over it.[/quote]

Tommy, Im sorry but you have the intelligence of a 9 year old girl.. Look man, chuck has never made excuses for lossing fights, or tried to take a win from someone, as a matter of fact after he lost the Belt all he said was “I got caught, what can i say”. Chuck unlike most other fighters (GSP) respects every man he fights. period. GO lay in a hole you idiot.

[quote comment="113072"][quote comment="113015"]Hell yeah Spida needz some competition, Ecspecially if he deztroyz franklin again. I think Dana iz countin on Rampage lozin to Hendo thatz why he made thiz fight. But he counted on Chuck knockin out Slampage too. N we all saw what happened there. N if chuck winz he better have to fight The Axemurder or Shogun before he getz another shot at Rampage. Not that it would matter. Cuz that would be tha end of chuck. He would look like shamrock lozin 3 timez to tha same guy. After two lozez why do u want a rematch. n every time he lozez therez an excuze involved. I’m so sick of chuck liddell. When Rampage lozt to Shogun he said Damn I got my azz whupped. no excuzez. He jokez about it. Chuck needz to take it like a man. He cant beat Rampage. If Shogun n Rampage fight again n Rampage lozez like he did tha firzt time. I bet he dont azk for a rematch. Chuck suckz!!!! N I dont care who wantz to comment me back. U chuck loverz need to get over it.[/quote]

Tommy, Im sorry but you have the intelligence of a 9 year old girl.. Look man, chuck has never made excuses for lossing fights, or tried to take a win from someone, as a matter of fact after he lost the Belt all he said was “I got caught, what can i say”. Chuck unlike most other fighters (GSP) respects every man he fights. period. GO lay in a hole you idiot.[/quote]

Dude your tha idiot, when Rampage deztroyed chuck tha firzt fight, hez ppl said he had a leg injury. Thiz lazt fight hez ppl said he wuz in tha clubz n didnt train hiz hardezt. Obviouluzy your juzt another pizzed off chuck fan. to call me a 9 yr old school girl how do u know how they act? r u talkin to lil girlz buddy, cuz thiz iz a forum n opinionz r made if u dont like what I say I dont mind a comment back but you dont need to be insultin me. I have an opinion n that iz chuck suckz. PPl tell me Rampage suckz all tha time. I dont call them namez or tell them to go lay in a hole. That soundz like a 9 yr old school girl to me.

[quote comment="113060"]What is up with all the Z’s?[/quote]

Hey man itz juzt my way of being different.

anyone have the presale code for the tickets yet??

[quote comment="112796"]I guess it would suck to be you guys if Shogun lost.[/quote]

no it will be funny, i think Griffen by ud

Jardine? Who’s Jardine no disrespect it should be Houston!

jardine is an ugly, ugly man.

[quote comment="113141"][quote comment="113072"][quote comment="113015"]Hell yeah Spida needz some competition, Ecspecially if he deztroyz franklin again. I think Dana iz countin on Rampage lozin to Hendo thatz why he made thiz fight. But he counted on Chuck knockin out Slampage too. N we all saw what happened there. N if chuck winz he better have to fight The Axemurder or Shogun before he getz another shot at Rampage. Not that it would matter. Cuz that would be tha end of chuck. He would look like shamrock lozin 3 timez to tha same guy. After two lozez why do u want a rematch. n every time he lozez therez an excuze involved. I’m so sick of chuck liddell. When Rampage lozt to Shogun he said Damn I got my azz whupped. no excuzez. He jokez about it. Chuck needz to take it like a man. He cant beat Rampage. If Shogun n Rampage fight again n Rampage lozez like he did tha firzt time. I bet he dont azk for a rematch. Chuck suckz!!!! N I dont care who wantz to comment me back. U chuck loverz need to get over it.[/quote]

Tommy, Im sorry but you have the intelligence of a 9 year old girl.. Look man, chuck has never made excuses for lossing fights, or tried to take a win from someone, as a matter of fact after he lost the Belt all he said was “I got caught, what can i say”. Chuck unlike most other fighters (GSP) respects every man he fights. period. GO lay in a hole you idiot.[/quote]

Dude your tha idiot, when Rampage deztroyed chuck tha firzt fight, hez ppl said he had a leg injury. Thiz lazt fight hez ppl said he wuz in tha clubz n didnt train hiz hardezt. Obviouluzy your juzt another pizzed off chuck fan. to call me a 9 yr old school girl how do u know how they act? r u talkin to lil girlz buddy, cuz thiz iz a forum n opinionz r made if u dont like what I say I dont mind a comment back but you dont need to be insultin me. I have an opinion n that iz chuck suckz. PPl tell me Rampage suckz all tha time. I dont call them namez or tell them to go lay in a hole. That soundz like a 9 yr old school girl to me.[/quote]

HAHAHAHAHAAAA “CHUCK” has never made any excusses, and about the nightclub thing he never used that as an excuse, other people were the ones that said taht, if you have the facts show me and I will be quiet, otherwise like I said go lay in a hole.

Yeah I don’t recall Chuck saying anything other than “I got caught”.

Your right it wuznt chuck thiz lazt time. That said he wuz partyin the week before in vegaz. It wuz hiz team. N u muzt be an internet thug or somethin huh. Talkin big n badd behind a computer. U want my addrezz. I live in Wizconzin. Milwaukee to be exact. Come here n talk tuff to my face. I cant stand ppl like u with all your tough talk on tha computer. GO lay in a hole. Real mature punk. Like I said before your juzt another pizzed off chuck fan. Who cant take tha fact my boy broke tha ice.

[quote comment="113570"]Your right it wuznt chuck thiz lazt time. That said he wuz partyin the week before in vegaz. It wuz hiz team. N u muzt be an internet thug or somethin huh. Talkin big n badd behind a computer. U want my addrezz. I live in Wizconzin. Milwaukee to be exact. Come here n talk tuff to my face. I cant stand ppl like u with all your tough talk on tha computer. GO lay in a hole. Real mature punk. Like I said before your juzt another pizzed off chuck fan. Who cant take tha fact my boy broke tha ice.[/quote]

I get it, you always type with “z” instead of “s”. I find it funny how much it annoys me. haha

[quote comment="112357"]Imagine Shogun and Bisping that would be a whirlwind of haymakers until someone gets ktfo’ed.[/quote]

thats a fight I want to see,I believe MB could win it but either way I think that would be the most entertaining fight in the history of mankind.

[quote comment="113570"]Your right it wuznt chuck thiz lazt time. That said he wuz partyin the week before in vegaz. It wuz hiz team. N u muzt be an internet thug or somethin huh. Talkin big n badd behind a computer. U want my addrezz. I live in Wizconzin. Milwaukee to be exact. Come here n talk tuff to my face. I cant stand ppl like u with all your tough talk on tha computer. GO lay in a hole. Real mature punk. Like I said before your juzt another pizzed off chuck fan. Who cant take tha fact my boy broke tha ice.[/quote]

I have friends in Wisconsin,I live in Essex England but if Im ever over there id be happy to stop by and have a brawl,if your going to UFC75 il meet you after for a scrap at the old docks,be there or be square!
Michael Bisping already prooved on TUF3 that us Brits are TUFer then you lot,I also believe I am tufer then you ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

anyone get the presale code yet from fight club
when are they suppose to send it to u

i got my tickets i am so excited i’ll be on plaza level, if any of you are going let me know and we can meet up there at the center

whats the presale pw for 7-31 bryant

thanks in advance