UFC Lightweight Champion Sean Sherk will appeal his fine and suspension for testing positive for a banned substance (steroids) following his five-round unanimous decision win over Hermes Franca at UFC 73: “Stacked,” according to the Los Angeles Times.
His hearing before the California State Athletic Commission (CSAC) is slated for August 6. After the hearing concludes and a final ruling is issued, UFC President Dana White will decide whether or not to strip Sherk of his 155-pound title.
If the finding holds up, it is more than likely that the UFC will be left with no other choice other than to take the belt away from Sherk — he has been suspended for one year by the commission.
Back in 2002, then-UFC Heavyweight Champion Josh Barnett tested positive for steroids after he defeated Randy Couture to become the youngest champion ever in the division. He was later fined, suspended and stripped of his title.
Put simply, history is not on the side of Sherk on this one.
There are several readers here and elsewhere clamoring for a lightweight tournament to crown a new champion if Sherk is stripped. It’s a fantastic idea. However, it’s important to point out that White has said in the past the he “hates” them.
In fact, after then lightweight champion Jens Pulver bolted the organization in 2003, the UFC coordinated a tournament that included the top 155 pound fighters at the time (B.J. Penn, Din Thomas, Matt Serra, and Caol Uno) to declare a new champion.
In the finals, Penn and Uno fought to draw. Afterwards, the division was scuttled and didn’t return until last year.
Will we see it again? It would certainly help invigorate a division that has taken a serious hit. And, the lightweight division is absolutely loaded, making for some incredible action.
For now, we’ll have to wait and see what happens on August 6. But, in the meantime, it’s fun to dream about how to make lemonade out of the steroid lemon.
Note: Franca, who also tested positive for steroids, will not appeal his year-long suspension or $2,500 fine.
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What can he really say though? Both samples A and B were tested and came back positive didn’t they?
Hey Sherk you and Landis can hang out now claiming your clean!
The muscle Shark hey……..I wonder if thats more rare than the shrunken testicle shark???
What will Sherk say?? What’s his reason..both samples were tested and came back positive for steroids..and any1 not legally blind would see his juiced out of his mind..lil’ Ivan Drago wants to appeal?? At least Hermes Man’d up..spoke his peace. I hope when they strip him of the belt he doesn’t go into a Court Roid Rage.
Tournaments are more gay than Richard Simmons hanging out with Tom Cruise and the Queer Eyed Guys at a bowling alley.
EVERYONE KNOWS THAT BJ PENN IS GOING TO FIGHT JOE STEVENSON FOR THE 155LB. CROWN AFTER ALL THEY ARE RANKED AS # 1 AND # 2 CONTENDERS … WHO CAN BE EVEN CONSIDERED EXCEPT FOR KENNY FLORIAN OR DIN THOMAS AT # 2 ????
NO ONE
KEVIN “CUTS” KELLY
P.S. YOU NEVER REALLY HERE OF APPEALS FOLLOWING “STEROID” TESTS.
STEPHAN BONNAR, MELVIN GUILLARD, AND OTHERS ALWAYS TAKE THEIR SENTENCES LIKE MEN … SEAN SHERK IS APPEALING FOR A REASON, HE MAY HAVE A CASE OTHERWISE HE WOULD JUST TAKE IT ON THE CHIN
Phil Baroni’s manager claimed that Baroni did not KNOWINGLY take steroids.
Maybe someone was just slipping them to Sherk in his baby food without his knowing it.
fIGHTERS BEWARE, THERE IS A STEROID BANDIT RUNNING AROUND SLIPPING YOU STEROIDS.
The positive test was awful low for it to be steroids. He will probably win the appeal.
How stupid are these guys? I mean, it’s not a random test. They get tested before the fight and they know it’s going to happen. If they test positive they should never be allowed to fight again because of stupidity.
I want to know why Dana doesn’t like whole lightweight tournement. I think its the best way to crown a new champ. It would give the top six to ten guys a chance at the gold. Would it be a ppv or for free on Spike. Lots of questions to be answered.
I’M DOWN WITH TOURNAMENT.
SPREAD IT OUT IF THEY HAVE TO. BUT I THINK A LW TOURNAMENT IS THE WAY TO GO.
PPV, FIGHT NIGHT, I DON’T CARE JUST LET THEM FIGHT IT OUT. I DON’T WANT TO SEE THEM JUST PICK WHO THEY WANT TO FIGHT FOR THE BELT. LET THE BEST WIN IT.
My guess is he:
A) Bought what he thought was fast acting testosterone suspension but the bottle ended up being Deca. Suspension takes days/week to get out of your system while Deca can be detected for up to a year or more.
B) He got a hold of some new prohormone that is on the market. These companies are churning out supplements and the athletes are using them and getting tested as dirty.
Either way – I don’t think he is dumb enough to take nandrolone/deca. I am betting on the prohormone. I would like to see the level that he came out as.
I say they put a lightweight grand prix together, since the PRIDE one for this year won’t happen. Sign guys strictly for the GP, then resign them if they perform well/win it. Have some type of clause in each contract that triggers a multi-year deal after the GP. Get Gomi, Kid, Penn, Faber, Griffin, Guida, Huerta, KenFlo, and any other LW fighter I forgot. Have the early rounds on UFNs and end it with the final 2 rounds on pay per view, barring some injury to a winner.
Let’s not jump to conclusions This country was founded on the priniple of due process. I’m curious to see what defence Sherk will have. It’s possible that he’s innocent. That is why there is an appeals process.
SORRY, I GUESS SOMETHING ABOUT MY STATEMENT SHOULD HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE ACTUAL TOPIC.
STRIP SHERK OF THE BELT. I WATCHED HIS TRAINING AND WAS IN AWE OF THE MAN. HE WAS KIND OF MY HERO. ALL THAT ORGANIC CRAP AND CLEAN LIVING. HOW HARD HE TRAINED. NOW WE FIND OUT HE WAS ALL ROIDED UP.
BIG LET DOWN.
Again :
Kevin Kelly
Jul 20th, 2007 at 9:33 am Quote this comment
Tournaments are more gay than Richard Simmons hanging out with Tom Cruise and the Queer Eyed Guys at a bowling alley.
EVERYONE KNOWS THAT BJ PENN IS GOING TO FIGHT JOE STEVENSON FOR THE 155LB. CROWN AFTER ALL THEY ARE RANKED AS # 1 AND # 2 CONTENDERS … WHO CAN BE EVEN CONSIDERED EXCEPT FOR KENNY FLORIAN OR DIN THOMAS AT # 2 ????
NO ONE
KEVIN “CUTS” KELLY
P.S. YOU NEVER REALLY HERE OF APPEALS FOLLOWING “STEROID” TESTS.
STEPHAN BONNAR, MELVIN GUILLARD, AND OTHERS ALWAYS TAKE THEIR SENTENCES LIKE MEN … SEAN SHERK IS APPEALING FOR A REASON, HE MAY HAVE A CASE OTHERWISE HE WOULD JUST TAKE IT ON THE CHIN
How about comments on this instead of jibber jabber
Ever since I heard about this I kept thinking that something isn’t right. It floors me that Sherk and Franca can be so stupid. Especially for Sherk, he is the champion, so he knows that he is high profile. Also, he knows that they test about half the fighters every time (cept for UFC 69 and 70). Therefore if he did knowingly juice, he must have known that there was about a 50% chance of being caught. It just doesn’t make sense. I will personally hold my judgement for Sherk until after the appeal, I am really hoping there was some kind of mistake. I admit though, with the evidence that Ive seen so far, it doesn’t look good for Sherk. I really hope there is something more to this, because it doesn’t make sense.
As for Franca, what a stupid excuse, he had to fight so he could feed his family, so he decided to juice up and risk his entire career. Congratulations! now your suspended for a year. In my opinion, hes not sorry he took the drugs, hes just sorry he got caught cheating.
a tourney sounds perfect to me! thats hoe the ufc got started.
God I hope he can win the appeal, Nanobolowhatever occurs naturally in the body. But the only way he will win, is if he can show a lower level before a workout and dramatically increased level after a workout. If not, if feel like an asshole for cheering for this guy.
Excellent point :
yoda
Jul 20th, 2007 at 9:49 am Quote this comment
The positive test was awful low for it to be steroids. He will probably win the appeal.
His levels of Nandrolone were 12 while a “normal” persons levels on any given day are 2-6. We naturally produce this just like testosterone. Ive said in other posts that it could be the perscribed medication he is more than likely still on following major reconstrcutive surgery or the supplements which he OBVIOUSLY TAKES AND WHICH THE UFC OBVIOUSLY ALLOWS AND CONDONES XYIENCE HELLO !!!!!
It could be a combination of all the chemicals.
UFC IS SO FU KING HYPOCRITICAL ITS NOT EVEN FUNNY … LETS PROMOTE XYIENCE TESTOSTERONE WHICH HAS OH I DUNNO TESTOSTERONE IN IT RIGHT ?
HYPOCRITES
So much caps lock in this thread, ugh
To the people whining about Sherk appealing, keep in mind Marquardt appealed his steroid ruling and got it overturned. That was for the exact same steroid Sherk failed the test for. It isn’t out of the question that he might not be guilty afterall
And Sherk being quiet and appealing is much better than Franca’s bogus excuse. Franca used a steroid that has nothing to to with recovery, so that part is bs. Not to mention he claimed he needed money, despite claiming on Sherdog radio that fighters get payed plenty of bonuses. Not to mention failing a drug test and missing 4-5 fights is worse than pushing 1 back a month. That excuse doesn’t have a single shred of legitimacy, and was only sent out as damage control when he KNEW he’d fail the test
Unless you take nothing but water and dedication like I do, you are taking supplements which may or may not be approved by the FDA. I will bet anyone $100 if you are on supplements today, something will pop up on the radar if you were to take a drug test. YOU DEFINITLY HAVE A BANNED SUBSTANCE IF YOUR SYSTEM IF YOUR ON ALL THAT GNC SHIT PARTICULARLY XYIENCE.
SEND ME YOUR ADDRESS ALONG WITH A COPY OF YOU TEST FOR THE $100
IM DEAD SERIOUS, bunch of hypocritical bloggers hiding behind a keyboard here. Note he is appealing whereas Stephen Bonnat and Melvin Guillard did not. Lets let due process take place.
HOW DOES THAT SOUND MANIA ?
A tourney would be great. Show the fans some good faith and host it on Spike TV with the finale on a major PPV a month later. The UFC owe’s it to the fans who shelled out good money to see two juicers fight. Test every fighter before and after the tourney and let it be known that you are testing all fighters. You may save a little integrity with the general public.
You want to stop Roid use? You have to go beyond title striping or suspensions.. Jail time imo.
If you test positive.. 1 year in the slammer. That will kill Roid use for f-n cheaters who have no morals.
[quote comment="108710"]Unless you take nothing but water and dedication like I do, you are taking supplements which may or may not be approved by the FDA. I will bet anyone $100 if you are on supplements today, something will pop up on the radar if you were to take a drug test. YOU DEFINITLY HAVE A BANNED SUBSTANCE IF YOUR SYSTEM IF YOUR ON ALL THAT GNC SHIT PARTICULARLY XYIENCE.
SEND ME YOUR ADDRESS ALONG WITH A COPY OF YOU TEST FOR THE $100
IM DEAD SERIOUS, bunch of hypocritical bloggers hiding behind a keyboard here. Note he is appealing whereas Stephen Bonnat and Melvin Guillard did not. Lets let due process take place.
HOW DOES THAT SOUND MANIA ?[/quote]
You obviously have no idea what you’re talking about.
I feel for his family, hope we don’t have a Chris Benoit repeat
Sean “Shriveled Nuts” Sherk
I don’t think a tournament would happen in the UFC mainly due to the fact that multiple fights in a night would not be sanctioned in the States. This was the reason that the tournament format in the UFC went out in the first place and subsequently allowed it to become mainstream/sanctioned in numerous states. The tournament format was found to be too brutal and too dangerous. Especially considering the increase in regulation in the past few years, I cannot see the NSAC sanctioning these guys for more than one fight a night.
HOWEVER, this is how the purchase of Pride could be put to great use as GP’s were obviously present there in Japan and it would be a great way to revive the seemingly dying Pride. Take all the best LW’s to Japan (UFC and Pride fighters), have them fight in the Pride ring and use the same GP format that Pride used to have. Crown a LW champ and they can then defend in either the Pride ring or the Ocotogan. It would be the first pure unified title where seemingly the top LW in the world would truly prevail.
Kill two birds with one stone.
[quote comment="108699"]Let’s not jump to conclusions This country was founded on the priniple of due process. I’m curious to see what defence Sherk will have. It’s possible that he’s innocent. That is why there is an appeals process.[/quote]
just look at him
Sean Sherk and The Athletic Commission
AC: Mr. Sherk what do you have to say for yourself? Is there any evidence to the contrary.
SS: It wasn’t me it was the one arm man!
AC: Mr Sherk, we believe you, lets find the real Steroid abuser.
Suddenly in a blast, Sean Sherk wakes up. “Damn”, he yells, “It as only a dream.”
[quote comment="108722"][quote comment="108699"]Let’s not jump to conclusions This country was founded on the priniple of due process. I’m curious to see what defence Sherk will have. It’s possible that he’s innocent. That is why there is an appeals process.[/quote]
just look at him[/quote]
Just look at him? Are you kidding me? So we should establish guilt based on appearance now… I guess all of those prisoners in GITMO who haven’t been tried after years are guilty. I mean, just look at them. They HAVE to be terrorists!
[quote comment="108710"]Unless you take nothing but water and dedication like I do, you are taking supplements which may or may not be approved by the FDA. I will bet anyone $100 if you are on supplements today, something will pop up on the radar if you were to take a drug test. YOU DEFINITLY HAVE A BANNED SUBSTANCE IF YOUR SYSTEM IF YOUR ON ALL THAT GNC SHIT PARTICULARLY XYIENCE.
SEND ME YOUR ADDRESS ALONG WITH A COPY OF YOU TEST FOR THE $100
IM DEAD SERIOUS, bunch of hypocritical bloggers hiding behind a keyboard here. Note he is appealing whereas Stephen Bonnat and Melvin Guillard did not. Lets let due process take place.
HOW DOES THAT SOUND MANIA ?[/quote]
Are you suffering from roid rage right now?
Down with dope, Up with hope! lol
[quote comment="108710"]Unless you take nothing but water and dedication like I do, you are taking supplements which may or may not be approved by the FDA. I will bet anyone $100 if you are on supplements today, something will pop up on the radar if you were to take a drug test. YOU DEFINITLY HAVE A BANNED SUBSTANCE IF YOUR SYSTEM IF YOUR ON ALL THAT GNC SHIT PARTICULARLY XYIENCE.
SEND ME YOUR ADDRESS ALONG WITH A COPY OF YOU TEST FOR THE $100
IM DEAD SERIOUS, bunch of hypocritical bloggers hiding behind a keyboard here. Note he is appealing whereas Stephen Bonnat and Melvin Guillard did not. Lets let due process take place.
HOW DOES THAT SOUND MANIA ?[/quote]
What the hell are you talking about? I agree with the idea, innocent until proven guilty, BUT USING CAPS AND CALLING ME OUT FOR NO REASON MAKEs YOU SOUND LIKE AND IDIOT.
In my opinion, he’s been on their radar. Everyone talks about how hard he trains. And like the man said, just look at him.
He doesn’t strike me as stupid though so I hope he can get it righteously overturned.
[quote comment="108675"]What can he really say though? Both samples A and B were tested and came back positive didn’t they?
Hey Sherk you and Landis can hang out now claiming your clean!
The muscle Shark hey……..I wonder if thats more rare than the shrunken testicle shark???[/quote]
It’s to bad you have no idea what the heck you are talking about. Nandrolone is naturally produced in your body! ATTENTION to all the people who think you have an idea of what you are talking about. Sean Sherk will prove this is all bogus! Please do some research on Nandrolone and you will see….better yet read this….theory has recently emerged from the results of a preliminary investigation at Aberdeen University. The findings are that dietary supplements themselves are harmless and produce no increased levels of nandrolone. Exercise alone, too, doesn’t cause any problems. But a combination of both dietary supplements (none of which contain a banned substance) and exercise, can result in a positive nandrolone test. The reason for this is still unclear, but one theory is that there is a link between heavy training, the dehydration that goes with it, and their effects upon the components of high protein diets. Sean won’t even enter a bar on account of the smoke he refuses to inhale as its not healthy! Did anyone watch ALL ACCESS on him??? Everyone is so quick to turn their backs on someone who is a genuine man who has trained since he was 7 YEARS OLD to make his dream come true. Why don’t people stop trying to make themselves feel better and get their butts off the couch and stop trying to make people out to what they aren’t……All of you who are putting Sean down and ASSuming he is taking steroids need to educate themselves!!!!! Everyone who is jumping ship will look like idiots when the truth is told!!!!!! All you people hate to see someone have a great life because you are all troubled in your own lives!!! Research on the athletes that have had Much higher traces in their urine that was over turned! Sean is a stand up very humble guy if you didn’t notice on the All Access!!! Please people if you are a Sean Sherk fan lets all give him and his family some support through this trying times!!!!!
Oh and by the way……Nate M from the UFC had a level of 49ng and Sean’s was a 12ng……And Nate had his overturned for supplement use. So what does that tell you???????
Ok, his levels are not really that high, so lets calm down everybody. I think pretty much this is going to be overturned, because he probably produces a high amount of that particular steriod, due to the intense training and nutrition regiment he is under. Over time his body could produce more testosterone and other naturally occuring hormones which could lead to an increase in certain naturally occuring steriods.
People should be concerned with the Champs health, he could have a gland out of whack, or have some sort of other medical issue. I really doubt he would do Steriods.
If I were his lawyer, I’d test him every day for the next month and bring that to court.
BTW Xyience is VERY (I Know you like the CAPS Mania, LOL) different from illegal steriods. It’s really just a lot of caffiene, B vitamins, joint rehabs and an overdose of all your water solvent vitamins. It’s really not that different then a well balanced diet, vitamins, three cups of coffee.
I’m not a doctor, but I do teach Biology.
2-6 ng/mL is normal, folks. Meaning after I workout, I might have as high as 6. And I don’t workout 100th as hard as Sherk does.
By comparison, let’s remember Royce Gracie:
“According to the CSAC, a normal person could potentially produce 2 ng/mL of Nandrolone, while an athlete following ‘rigorous physical exercise’ could have a level of 6 ng/mL.
Both ‘A’ and ‘B’ samples provided by Gracie, said the CSAC, ‘had a level of over 50 ng/mL and we were informed that the level itself was so elevated that it would not register on the laboratory’s calibrator.’”
Gracie’s was 50!!! Sherk’s was 12 ng/mL. He was tested AFTER his 25-minutes UFC title fight. For a guy like Sherk, who maintains a insanely intense workout schedule anyway, it isn’t a stretch to say his suspension stands a good chance of being overturned.
I hope he wins the appeal. Wikipedia has an intersting read on teh substance that Sherk tested positive for. The article said that it is hard for the test to be accurate when the person is on a high protein diet(SHERK IS) and can show inaccurate levels. His levels were only 2 times the normal amount I know that is alot but it all depends on the persons workout and I think his workout is the most impressive so his would be quite high. I will find a link to the article. It talks about olympic atheletes getting hit with this on there test and they are over turned.
here is the link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nandrolone
here is what it says also
Detection methods
Nandrolone use is indirectly detectable in urine tests by testing for the presence of 19-norandrosterone, a metabolite of this molecule. The International Olympic Committee has set a limit of 2 ng per ml of urine as the upper limit, beyond which an athlete is suspected of doping.
Urine analysis as a method of detecting nandrolone abuse has recently become somewhat controversial, following studies by the University of Aberdeen showing that the metabolite product can also show up in urine in quantities above the upper limit from a combination of high-protein diets utilising the legal nutritional supplement creatine and hard cardiovascular exercise. The reason for this unexpected result has not been determined. Another possible (though unlikely) reason for a false positive result is the consumption of beef from cattle treated with steroids including nandrolone (used in overturning the verdict against the bobsleigh racer, Lenny Paul). Heavy consumption of the essential amino acid lysine (as indicated in the treatment of cold sores) has also shown false positives in some and was cited by American Shotputter C.J. Hunter as the reason for his positive test. A final possible cause of incorrect urine test results is the presence of metabolites from other anabolic steroids. As a result of the numerous overturned verdicts, the testing procedure was reviewed by UK Sport [1] in 2000.
they should hav a 4 man tourney penn huerta florion, and stevenson
If Sean Sherk truly is a guy with an empicable work ethic and diet. This may help . . .
http://www.chm.bris.ac.uk/motm/nandrolone/nandc.htm
A much more likely theory has recently emerged from the results of a preliminary investigation at Aberdeen University. The findings are that dietary supplements themselves are harmless and produce no increased levels of nandrolone. Exercise alone, too, doesn’t cause any problems. But a combination of both dietary supplements (none of which contain a banned substance) and exercise, can result in a positive nandrolone test. The reason for this is still unclear, but one theory is that there is a link between heavy training, the dehydration that goes with it, and their effects upon the components of high protein diets. Until more work is done, however, the ‘nandrolone mystery’ goes on…
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3381221.stm
Are tests for nandrolone conclusive?
Even though a drug test may indicate that the subject has apparently taken nandrolone to boost muscle growth and increase strength, this does not necessarily prove wrongdoing.
It is possible that the body may naturally create a form of nandrolone, particularly if the subject has eaten large quantities of meat contaminated with the substance.
Certain animals may create a bigger risk, particularly horse and boar – and athletes are warned to avoid offal from these animals.
It is also possible that dietary supplements which appear perfectly legal can be broken down by the body to produce the same substances created when nandrolone is broken down.
Again, athletes are warned not to believe everything they read on the labels of these supplements.
A UK Sport report on nandrolone said: “We recommend that the sports community should be reminded they must maintain a high level of awareness of the possible hazards of using some nutritional supplements and herbal preparations”.
The other source of nandrolone metabolites is other types of steroid – but these are also banned by world sport bodies.
Thanks to all those who did the research.
I’ve never heard of it so I didn’t know. That’s good news, I hope he gets his decision overturned.
Anybody know how long this process takes?
If he gets it overturned could he still fight in November?
Mania dont get so bent out of shape, I was merely looking for your opinion, you do tend do outburst a bit when people “call you out” which I definitly was not doing. Your doing a nice job with this site keep it up.
Yohnstoppable
Jul 20th, 2007 at 10:14 am Quote this comment
So much caps lock in this thread, ugh
To the people whining about Sherk appealing, keep in mind Marquardt appealed his steroid ruling and got it overturned. That was for the exact same steroid Sherk failed the test for. It isn’t out of the question that he might not be guilty afterall
And Sherk being quiet and appealing is much better than Franca’s bogus excuse. Franca used a steroid that has nothing to to with recovery, so that part is bs. Not to mention he claimed he needed money, despite claiming on Sherdog radio that fighters get payed plenty of bonuses. Not to mention failing a drug test and missing 4-5 fights is worse than pushing 1 back a month. That excuse doesn’t have a single shred of legitimacy, and was only sent out as damage control when he KNEW he’d fail the test
YOHNSTOPPABLE MAY BE ONE OF THE BRIGHTEST GUYS HERE ALONG WITH VIOLENT MIKE
I cannot wait for the appeal to happen.
NONE OF YOU ARE DOCTORS AND HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT WHAT HE “TESTED POSITIVE” FOR EXCEPT FOR THE RESEARCH THAT I POSTED EARLIER THIS MORNING. At any given moment will all will test positive for this “stuff” because the body naturally produces it. Normal person ranges from 2 – 6 level … Sean Sherk was 12 which is basically double. Do some research.
Kevin from NY
Sherk should go dry hump in WEC. lol
[quote comment="108783"]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3381221.stm
Are tests for nandrolone conclusive?
Even though a drug test may indicate that the subject has apparently taken nandrolone to boost muscle growth and increase strength, this does not necessarily prove wrongdoing.
It is possible that the body may naturally create a form of nandrolone, particularly if the subject has eaten large quantities of meat contaminated with the substance.
Certain animals may create a bigger risk, particularly horse and boar – and athletes are warned to avoid offal from these animals.
It is also possible that dietary supplements which appear perfectly legal can be broken down by the body to produce the same substances created when nandrolone is broken down.
Again, athletes are warned not to believe everything they read on the labels of these supplements.
A UK Sport report on nandrolone said: “We recommend that the sports community should be reminded they must maintain a high level of awareness of the possible hazards of using some nutritional supplements and herbal preparations”.
The other source of nandrolone metabolites is other types of steroid – but these are also banned by world sport bodies.[/quote]
So SOMEONE injected a cow with it and then he ate the cow? or he ate horse? or he took other substances that have the same effects that are also banned?
With these 3 options put into the mix, he must be innocent. haha.
My impression of him up to this point was just that he was a very hard worker and got the way he is the hard way. I can’t see how this situation could hve been an “accident” though. With him being the champ right now, I doubt they will take it easy on him seeing as how he is in the public eye. I think even if he has a convincing appeal, that he is going to be made an example of and lose the belt. Which will be good for the sport in my opinion from a PR perspective.
If it is overturned I can’t wait for Penn to submit him so we don’t have such a lay and pray “specialist” as LW champ. If he is found guilty then it’s even more pathetic that he can’t finish fights, even all ‘roided up.
I think he’s a good champ and i hope he beats it.
speaking the truth
Jul 20th, 2007 at 11:25 am Quote this comment
Oh and by the way……Nate M from the UFC had a level of 49ng and Sean’s was a 12ng……And Nate had his overturned for supplement use. So what does that tell you???????
It is finally nice to see some intelligent people who take the time and research information instead of spewing of nonsense claims of “roid rage” and “shrivelled testicles”. All of these attacks are coming from wanna be UFC fighters who are probably toolbags who played tennis in high school.
Kevin “cuts” Kelly
P.S. Speaking the truth, Yohnstoppable, Scott, UFC fan, and Chuckleberry Handshake its great to see such open-minded ness and displays of intellect.
[quote comment="108815"]speaking the truth
Jul 20th, 2007 at 11:25 am Quote this comment
Oh and by the way……Nate M from the UFC had a level of 49ng and Sean’s was a 12ng……And Nate had his overturned for supplement use. So what does that tell you???????
It is finally nice to see some intelligent people who take the time and research information instead of spewing of nonsense claims of “roid rage” and “shrivelled testicles”. All of these attacks are coming from wanna be UFC fighters who are probably toolbags who played tennis in high school.
Kevin “cuts” Kelly
P.S. Speaking the truth, Yohnstoppable, Scott, UFC fan, and Chuckleberry Handshake its great to see such open-minded ness and displays of intellect.[/quote]
So are you the Magazine Editor? the WWE Announcer? or the Politician? I can’t find anything about Kevin Kelly the mixed martial artist.
As for being “intellectual”, all the retarded nonsense i’ve seen you spewing, in caps no less, hasn’t given me the impression that you are on top of the food chain when it comes to smarts.
Don’t be so quick to lay judgement down on others. Especially if it’s just because they don’t agree with your stance on whether some guy is using steroids or not.
With that being said, just because Marquardts 49ng is much higher than Sherks 12ng doesn’t mean Sherk didn’t do them, it just means he stopped using them earlier if he did.
[quote comment="108815"]speaking the truth
Jul 20th, 2007 at 11:25 am Quote this comment
Oh and by the way……Nate M from the UFC had a level of 49ng and Sean’s was a 12ng……And Nate had his overturned for supplement use. So what does that tell you???????
It is finally nice to see some intelligent people who take the time and research information instead of spewing of nonsense claims of “roid rage” and “shrivelled testicles”. All of these attacks are coming from wanna be UFC fighters who are probably toolbags who played tennis in high school.
Kevin “cuts” Kelly
P.S. Speaking the truth, Yohnstoppable, Scott, UFC fan, and Chuckleberry Handshake its great to see such open-minded ness and displays of intellect.[/quote]
That pedestal is going to tip over if you get much higher on it.
[quote comment="108813"]I think he’s a good champ and i hope he beats it.[/quote]
Agreed, I think Sean will win the appeal.
I wish him the best of luck. he turned in an awesome performance at 73. I would hate to see it all thrown away. His work ethic is beyond belief. To throw it all away would suck
[quote comment="108678"]Tournaments are more gay than Richard Simmons hanging out with Tom Cruise and the Queer Eyed Guys at a bowling alley.
EVERYONE KNOWS THAT BJ PENN IS GOING TO FIGHT JOE STEVENSON FOR THE 155LB. CROWN AFTER ALL THEY ARE RANKED AS # 1 AND # 2 CONTENDERS … WHO CAN BE EVEN CONSIDERED EXCEPT FOR KENNY FLORIAN OR DIN THOMAS AT # 2 ????
NO ONE
KEVIN “CUTS” KELLY
P.S. YOU NEVER REALLY HERE OF APPEALS FOLLOWING “STEROID” TESTS.
STEPHAN BONNAR, MELVIN GUILLARD, AND OTHERS ALWAYS TAKE THEIR SENTENCES LIKE MEN … SEAN SHERK IS APPEALING FOR A REASON, HE MAY HAVE A CASE OTHERWISE HE WOULD JUST TAKE IT ON THE CHIN[/quote]
A couple of things. First of all, tournaments are fuc*ing sweet. The fighters who take part in them can’t really go into the fights with specific game plans, because they have mulitple opponents with different styles to counter. Also, they are a true test of endurance and durability.
Second, one could make a decent argument for Spencer Fisher or possibly even Franky Edgar. Hell, Thiago Tavares looks to be unstoppable as well, at least so far.
Third, Nate Marquardt appealed a positive test and won that appeal, saving himself a supsension and fine.
Lastly, Melvin Guillard was tested positive for coke, not steroids.
I really don’t like Sherk, I admire his skills but truly find him boring to watch much the same as Tim Sylvia so only being 100% honest I hope he does get stripped of his belt. You’ve only got to look at the guy and his BIG veins to know he’s on gear. Come on he’s not built like that by eating tuna and cornflakes and then training. No way. Ban the bum!! lol If he does win his appeal (doubt it) fiar play to him, I’ll just have to wait for BJ Penn to snap something of his to see the belt change hands
:):)
HA of course FIAR is a sp[ecial word for roiders meaning FAIR lol
Thanks to all for pointing out that great info on nandrolone. I am a big Sherk fan, this recent news was a big shock to me. This new info gives me hope that maybe he did nothing wrong. I sure hope it turnes out that way.
To some other posters, you can’t just say a guy is on roids just because he is built and has “big veines”. Sherk has always been ripped like that, its due to his body type, and his training. In the case of Franca, he looked a lot bigger than he normally does at the weigh in, thats more of a sign of steriod abuse.
By your method of detecting steroids, Houston Alexander, Rampage, Hughes, GSP, Couture, Cro-Cop and Fedor must all be juicing too, There all built, so their guilty right??
who’d of thunk Sherk does steroids? I mean sure he looks like Arnolds midget brother but steroids, no!
“With that being said, just because Marquardts 49ng is much higher than Sherks 12ng doesn’t mean Sherk didn’t do them, it just means he stopped using them earlier if he did.”
From the blogger “Matt”
Again ludicris assumption, he stopped taking them thats why its lower than Nate Marquardt. Biased judgement, allow the appeal to occur I say and research information.
As for the CAPS it grabs attention and with some stories garnishing up to over 100 posts, the intelligent ones should be in neon if it were possible. Is Sean Sherk in freakishly good shape ? Yes of course … and its absolutely possible to get one’s body to reach that potential with hard work. Those who doubt it probably work out and follow it up fried chicken and beer.
Yes I agree, on my earlier post I was a bit
shallow on my description. Big veins doesn’t always equal Roids. But Having trained 100% naturally (heavy lifting) for over 10 years now, I can pretty much tell (OBVIOUSLY never 100% guarantee) if someone’s using steriods. It does give you a certain look. I honestly would’ve put my house on Sherk using at some point of his career. You other examples (Houston Alexander, Rampage, Hughes, GSP, Couture, Cro-Cop and Fedor) are interesting. I very much doubt if Cro-Cop is on juice, nor Randy Couture and would put money on Fedor being natural too. The others could be a different story, but as mentioned earlier in the discussion, there’s so many supplements now that COULD make you fail a test. Soime USA totally legal supps are banned here i n the UK for example. But if these guys are caught using full blown Roids, they deserve to be booted out and heavily fined. ($2500 for the Sherk and Franca….. JOKE)
[quote comment="108833"]I wish him the best of luck. he turned in an awesome performance at 73. I would hate to see it all thrown away. His work ethic is beyond belief. To throw it all away would suck[/quote]
i agree stafo, i hope this thing turns out to be bogus, i want to believe what i saw on all access was a champion training like one, the talk on this thread is pretty interesting too and makes me think sherk’s innocence is a real possiblility, i hope thats the case and the bj penn/sean sherk fight still happens…
[quote comment="108925"]Yes I agree, on my earlier post I was a bit
shallow on my description. Big veins doesn’t always equal Roids. But Having trained 100% naturally (heavy lifting) for over 10 years now, I can pretty much tell (OBVIOUSLY never 100% guarantee) if someone’s using steriods. It does give you a certain look. I honestly would’ve put my house on Sherk using at some point of his career. You other examples (Houston Alexander, Rampage, Hughes, GSP, Couture, Cro-Cop and Fedor) are interesting. I very much doubt if Cro-Cop is on juice, nor Randy Couture and would put money on Fedor being natural too. The others could be a different story, but as mentioned earlier in the discussion, there’s so many supplements now that COULD make you fail a test. Soime USA totally legal supps are banned here i n the UK for example. But if these guys are caught using full blown Roids, they deserve to be booted out and heavily fined. ($2500 for the Sherk and Franca….. JOKE)[/quote]
I agree, they need to make an example of these guys. I really hope Sherk is innocent, but if he is not, he should recieve a heavier fine from the UFC, and be stripped of the belt. Franca maybe should not rely completely on fighting for a paycheck, I know all the training makes it hard to hold a job, but that does not excuse using steriods so your ready for a fight. A strong messege needs to be sent to him.
He shouldn’t get any less than Barnett did.
HEY! I made a comment on here that was not at all uncacceptable, but it isnt up. And yes, I’m whining about it.
Nevermind. I found it. I apologize.
I for one am hoping that sherk comes out in the clear here. If I’m not mistaken, this has happened to him before and he was cleared. I personally hope it happens again.
I wouldn’t even touch supplements, trace amounts of this and that.
I had blood tests done and my haemoglobin/red bood cell levels came back really high. lol, I must be on EPO.
i don’t care what they do as long as they don’t scap the ightweight division like they did before. have top 2 contenders fight ni nov or top 4 being bj, joe, roger, and kenny fight it out but someone should be crowned if sherk is suspended which he will be. even if he does he should have a first or second shot at the title when his suspension ends
sherk should be given the chance to properly defend himself
a reading of 12 suggests a half assed attempt at cheating
if your going to use drugs you may as well go the whole way like royce not just a small amount
they should start giving failed drug test athletes a lie detector test… its not like they are jack bauer and would be able to outwit the machine
this may not give a comprehensive answer but it would mean something to the fans and could save the guys reputation as it would indicate that either the drug test was flawed or the athlete didnt know about it
with what is at stake im suprised they dont have their own secret private drug tests prefight and pull out if something dodgy is present
[quote comment="108925"]Yes I agree, on my earlier post I was a bit
shallow on my description. Big veins doesn’t always equal Roids. But Having trained 100% naturally (heavy lifting) for over 10 years now, I can pretty much tell (OBVIOUSLY never 100% guarantee) if someone’s using steriods. It does give you a certain look. I honestly would’ve put my house on Sherk using at some point of his career. You other examples (Houston Alexander, Rampage, Hughes, GSP, Couture, Cro-Cop and Fedor) are interesting. I very much doubt if Cro-Cop is on juice, nor Randy Couture and would put money on Fedor being natural too. The others could be a different story, but as mentioned earlier in the discussion, there’s so many supplements now that COULD make you fail a test. Soime USA totally legal supps are banned here i n the UK for example. But if these guys are caught using full blown Roids, they deserve to be booted out and heavily fined. ($2500 for the Sherk and Franca….. JOKE)[/quote]
Very true, standards are much stricter in the UK and I wouldn’t even touch them. Cro Cop and Fedor are definitely clean I think. That sounds like an oxymoron.
[quote comment="108691"]How stupid are these guys? I mean, it’s not a random test. They get tested before the fight and they know it’s going to happen. If they test positive they should never be allowed to fight again because of stupidity.[/quote]
It’s not random… they test the dudes right after the fight.
[quote comment="108710"]Unless you take nothing but water and dedication like I do, you are taking supplements which may or may not be approved by the FDA. I will bet anyone $100 if you are on supplements today, something will pop up on the radar if you were to take a drug test. YOU DEFINITLY HAVE A BANNED SUBSTANCE IF YOUR SYSTEM IF YOUR ON ALL THAT GNC SHIT PARTICULARLY XYIENCE.
[/quote]
Kevin NUTS Kelly have you lost your mind? You sound like a raging juicer. You been filling up the beer bong with that Xyience stuff.
[quote comment="109066"][quote comment="108691"]How stupid are these guys? I mean, it’s not a random test. They get tested before the fight and they know it’s going to happen. If they test positive they should never be allowed to fight again because of stupidity.[/quote]
It’s not random… they test the dudes right after the fight.[/quote]
Ooops… sorry. I’m tired. You said it’s not random.
[quote comment="108830"][quote comment="108813"]I think he’s a good champ and i hope he beats it.[/quote]
Agreed, I think Sean will win the appeal.[/quote]
He’ll win the appeal? How?
Sherk: I didn’t do it! I double dare swear!!
Committee: oh… okay! (tearing up lab reports)
There were too many comments for me to read all of them, so I dont know if someone already posted this or not but here it is. On ESPN someone wrote an article about Royce Gracie testing positive for the same thing as Sherk only 25 times higher than normal. WOW! Not saying I believe this or that I am taking up for sherk, cuz I dont like him as a fighter but thought it was interesting. Here it is.
“According to a University of Aberdeen study, nandrolone detection can result in a false positive if the subject has engaged in a cardio-intensive regimen coupled with excessive protein and creatine intake; it’s theoretically possible that eating steroid-tainted beef could also influence scores”. ESPN.com
Not sure if Sherk eats meat. Didnt watch that whole thing about him on Spike.
[quote comment="109072"][quote comment="108830"][quote comment="108813"]I think he’s a good champ and i hope he beats it.[/quote]
Agreed, I think Sean will win the appeal.[/quote]
He’ll win the appeal? How?
Sherk: I didn’t do it! I double dare swear!!
Committee: oh… okay! (tearing up lab reports)[/quote]
There are several studies that show intense cardiovascular excercise high protein diet and legal over the counter supplements can result in a false positive for nandrolone, it has happened in several sports including cycling and tennis. Check it out, you can find the info through google. Of course I cant make such a bold claim as “Sherk’s innocent.” I dont know the guy personally and havent been following him around 24/7 to make sure he didnt put a needle full of deca in his ass. But there is info out there that supports the notion that Sherk may not be guilty of using AS.
so I guess we all have become doctors because we can copy and paste a link into a post and pretend like wiki was written by a MIT grad…so your telling me that because sherk works out hard and takes 100 pills he gets a pass…how come we don’t see fighters every event being suspended if its that easy to get a 12ng test? Most fighters take pills…………most fighters work out……….maybe not as hard as sherk but if its that easy to get as 12…..
[quote post="2788"]Unless you take nothing but water and dedication like I do, you are taking supplements which may or may not be approved by the FDA. I will bet anyone $100 if you are on supplements today, something will pop up on the radar if you were to take a drug test. YOU DEFINITLY HAVE A BANNED SUBSTANCE IF YOUR SYSTEM IF YOUR ON ALL THAT GNC SHIT PARTICULARLY XYIENCE.
SEND ME YOUR ADDRESS ALONG WITH A COPY OF YOU TEST FOR THE $100
IM DEAD SERIOUS, bunch of hypocritical bloggers hiding behind a keyboard here. Note he is appealing whereas Stephen Bonnat and Melvin Guillard did not. Lets let due process take place.
HOW DOES THAT SOUND MANIA ?[/quote]I take a protein suplement and didnt fail the test so when should I expect my check for $100 from you?
[quote comment="109219"][quote post="2788"]Unless you take nothing but water and dedication like I do, you are taking supplements which may or may not be approved by the FDA. I will bet anyone $100 if you are on supplements today, something will pop up on the radar if you were to take a drug test. YOU DEFINITLY HAVE A BANNED SUBSTANCE IF YOUR SYSTEM IF YOUR ON ALL THAT GNC SHIT PARTICULARLY XYIENCE.
SEND ME YOUR ADDRESS ALONG WITH A COPY OF YOU TEST FOR THE $100
IM DEAD SERIOUS, bunch of hypocritical bloggers hiding behind a keyboard here. Note he is appealing whereas Stephen Bonnat and Melvin Guillard did not. Lets let due process take place.
HOW DOES THAT SOUND MANIA ?[/quote]I take a protein suplement and didnt fail the test so when should I expect my check for $100 from you?[/quote]
My buddy is a natural body building champion and he takes all kinds of suppliments, he gets tested for ever show and passes with flying colours.
Well, I am glad to hear Sherk is appealing, and if his suspension is overturned, I will be the first to apologize for doubting him.
Sherk has an amazing work ethic, and from what I have seen and read, he has an exceptional diet as well. I respect guys like Sherk that do everything in their power to be the best they can be. Some guys train hard and eat like crap, and others never even push themselves to the limit in their training. Sherk strikes me as a good guy that wants to be the best. I hope the test was a false positive and that he did not cross the line and cheat.
sherk is guilty look at him he is to ripped at his weight class, it’s true if these jokers know ahead of time that they will be tested for steriods why do it?? or chance it knowing they will be suspended over 9 months at least. some people are just plain dumb the same people who know they have to take a piss or hair test for a job interview knowing they will fail it still try to get the job.
I’m saving my two cents until after the appeal, curious to see what he says.
I don’t want to say too much before we know more. It would be terrible to jump the gun and tear him to shreds if it actually was a false positive. Hopefully it’s all just a big misunderstanding and the situation gets cleared up. I mean he doesn’t even look like he’s on steriods and he seems simply more driven and too honest….Only kidding fucking cheating dirty steroid scum shark shrek.
oh yeah who can forget Tim Silvia’s sterioid championship run??? hahahaha
hes innocent, did u see all the shit he was taking i think it was like 23 pills 3 times a day
[quote comment="109926"]hes innocent, did u see all the shit he was taking i think it was like 23 pills 3 times a day[/quote]
Are you being sarcastic or serious. I know he does have a basket full of crap that he takes.
What’s his reason for the appeal? What’s his “excuse”?
Everyone is reporting the same news, but leaving the most
important fact out!
YA!!!…if this guy isnt on something ill have everyone on this forum e-mail me this whole page and eat every single one of them lol
I think he will be exonerated of all accusations. This man has worked to hard and had to much to lose to be on roids. How many other drug tests has he taken and passed over his career? Many I’m sure. Now to fail a test when you are the champ and risk losing it all? Doesn’t make sense. And for all you people that say “just look at him, that’s not natural” note this – I’m about his height and body type, not quite as muscular, but I’m pretty healthy, and I only work out about 1 / 50 of what he does. And no, I don’t do drugs. So I can see him being that built. It’s called genetics my friend! Giv’em hell M. Shark!!!