I guess seeing a guaranteed KO is almost as good as a “good matchup.”

ok dana white is a bitch he should of done liddell sohgun and jardine vs. griffin and winner of liddell sogun gets a title shot why not if either of them lose u can still use them later its not like there careers are gonna end

Both would be fun to watch in my book. Hell.. if they can’t agree why not just put all 3 in the octagone and see who comes out on top lol.

Because Dana and Joe Silva are HAND CRAFTING these fights in an attempt to guide a fighter through a his “legacy”. Come on. The obvious fight is Liddell vs. Rua. Liddell is coming off a loss, yet is the most marketable fighter in the UFC. Rua is arguably the best light-heavyweight in the fight game, yet he isn’t widely known in America, so he won’t bring in big numbers on PPV. UFC wants to put Chuck against Silva because they know he has a better chance beating Wandy than Rua. Plus a Wandy/Chuck bout brings in big cash.

Rua is going to make an example out of Griffin. I love Griffin as a fighter, but he doesn’t have the tools yet to handle Rua.

I think Chuck/Wandy is going to be a knockout one way or the other, so I’m pumped about the fights regardless of White and Joe Silva’s business maneuvers.

Im not buying ufc 76

chuck vs shogun if ryoto falls threw then maybe forrest vs jardine 2 everyone wins

Damn, i miss PRIDE already! This is absolutely pathetic…we’re not seeing the best of the best in the octogon. I guess its a good thing i watch the fights for free.

i agree richard, forrest vs jardine 2 and chuck vs rua would be awsome. forrest has somethin to prove to jardine cuz of their last fight and if chuck beat rua it would catapolt him back into title contention or vice versa.

yeah lately people are fighting not fighting its getting retarded

Wow, so not only have the fights themselves been unpredictable lately, now whether a confirmed fight will actually HAPPEN is unpredictable…

I thought I had a great idea with Rua v. Liddell and Jardean v. Griffin. Ha. If I thought of it, and you thought of it, you know there are others and it just seems obvious! Put it together DW!

WOW! their sending Forrest off with a beatdown by one of the best in the game

This rumor makes no sense. I won’t believe it until I hear it announced by the UFC.

a) Forest is on the coddled list, as are all beloved TUF fighters. Since Forest lost the fight before last, he needs to be coddled for a few more fights before they can risk the possibility of another lose. Rua would be a heavy favorite and therefore a poor choice of opponent.

b) Shogun is already rumored to be fighting Ryoto Machida, a lessor known fighter whom the UFC can afford to have lose.

Reminds me of the Bisping-Shamrock rumors.

Why is knobody saying Chuck vs Forest?????

A Liddell – Shogun fight would not be a good business move for the UFC. Liddell is the biggest cash cow the UFC has. Accordingly, the UFC needs to match him up against opponents who either:

a) stand little chance, and therefore, present little risk of damaging the cash cow

or

b) generate huge interest and revenues

By that criteria, Rua, is a really poor choice. He stands a strong chance of beating Liddell and damaging the cash cow. He also isn’t well known from a UFC perspective, so he won’t garner huge revenues.

Give Rua a few fights. Let him generate excitement and interest, and then schedule the fight.

ufc is turning into wwf or wwe or whatever its called now. dana wants the chuck vs wandy fight but they are both coming off losses and dana doesnt want to risk chuck against a top guy unless he is coming off a win. but mma fans just want the best to fight the best now.

not that chuck is going to be let go by the ufc no matter if he loses the next fight or not but he has a much better chance of beating jardine then shogun or wandy.

and dont forget that no one knows who shogun is in the usa(according to dana white). dana might be right as about half the posters at sherdog keep posting crap like fedor, crocop and shogun are all overrated. then again if shogun and chuck win im sure they are going to both say they want a title shotwhich could set up for a big fight on dec 29th. chuck wants to fight again in november but i highly doubt that will happen.

i just want top ten fighters on ppv’s or atleast top 15 guys. i just wish it was that easy. ufc needs to pick up some more top pride guys like fedor, barnett, gomi, ect.

if they want to sell more ppv’s then you have to pack the cards with more then 4 top ten fighters per ppv.

I’ve never seen a UFC site with this many people who are anti-UFC/Dana White/etc. Stop bitching or stop watching…PLEASE!

This is still a business. The last thing I want to see are all the top guys beat each other up and then there is no one left to fight for them. We will be on Rampage/Rua 9 in a couple of years. It is like anything else, you need suspense, talking points, debate.Sorry, I dont want to see the best of the best go in there and clobber each other from the 1st fight on. You slowly build steam and then the big one takes place.

I actually like this matchup. Shogun isn’t well known, and having him fight Chuck would be a bad idea. What if he stomps Chuck? Then Chuck loses to an unkown fighter after already being TKOd by Rampage. The Silva fight would have gotten a lot more interest, so the risk would have been more worth it.

And Forrest will put Shogun on the radar when he demolishes him. I don’t see Forrest lasting past the first round.

This isn’t a bad fight for the UFC because they need shogun to win which he probably will against Griffin. And they need people to see the fight and a lot of people like Forrest and like seeing him fight and he is a lot more popular than Machida.

danawhite needs to stop picking favorites and just put the best fights together ithink before every fight card is complete they should take a poll on UFC.com so the fans can tell who they want fighting and they should seriously consider the polls while ther deciding wouldnt that be the best bussiness move since the fans that are voting are the wons buying the fights in the first place

forest is the shit i hopr we see a good one forest with a tko first round

No one knows man everytime something not predictable comes up everyone has this huge theory on how Dana is doing this or doing that to and playing favorites. You dont know whats going on inside the business aspect of the UFC and your probably never going to know. I dont love Dana White not even close but it just gets old reading the same lame posts puked up over and over again with little to no variance. The people making these fights happen are most likely more qualified to make these decisions than any of us. Yeah money is a big part but they want a fight the fans want to see. Alot of people have this ignorant view on situations like this. Bottom line is Dana and Zuffa want to pick fights the fans want. If they pick fights Fans dont want to see they lose money. Its business and yes sometimes they protect their investments big deal it shouldnt big a big surprise. Just because you dont get the matchups you want dont go on this lame rant about how Dana and the UFC dont know Sh1t. Or if you do go on a rant at least make it interesting and not some repeated, recycled, redundant junk you read in the 50 posts before yours.

When Forrest gets KTFO, are the fanboys still going to be on his jock. I love the guy’s interviews and everything he does outside the Octagon, but he is a B grade fighter at best.

And Griffin is better than most people give him credit for. Sure he’s not on an amazing win streak but that dont mean sh1t. Rua is like a Rabid Animal super agressive but Forrest can take punishment. If this turns out to be the matchup i think Forrest will fair better than alot of you think. Im not saying he’s gonna win but stranger things have happened.

[quote comment="106735"]And Griffin is better than most people give him credit for. Sure he’s not on an amazing win streak but that dont mean sh1t. Rua is like a Rabid Animal super agressive but Forrest can take punishment. If this turns out to be the matchup i think Forrest will fair better than alot of you think. Im not saying he’s gonna win but stranger things have happened.[/quote]

“Taking punishment” is an understatement. He’s going to have to do a lot more than that to pull out a victory over Shogun.

[quote comment="106737"][quote comment="106735"]And Griffin is better than most people give him credit for. Sure he’s not on an amazing win streak but that dont mean sh1t. Rua is like a Rabid Animal super agressive but Forrest can take punishment. If this turns out to be the matchup i think Forrest will fair better than alot of you think. Im not saying he’s gonna win but stranger things have happened.[/quote]

“Taking punishment” is an understatement. He’s going to have to do a lot more than that to pull out a victory over Shogun.[/quote]

Thats what i meant when i said Forrest will fair better than most of you think. Because most people assume Rua is gonna walk right over Griffin. Dont get me wrong ive seen alot of Rua’s fights and i know how dangerous he is. But taking punishment is never an understatment when it comes to Griffin. If he dont get KO’ed he just keeps coming back for more. I think Forrest will fair okay as long as he dont get KO’ED in RD 1. And by fair well i mean offensive as well as taking punishment. I never said Forrest is gonna beat Rua i just said he will probably fair better than most of you think.

i think rua/forrst would be a more exciting fight than rua/machida just because machida would for sure be fighting very defensively in that fight, and that might make for not a lot of action, but i hope this is just a rumor and the machida fight is still on because i don’t want to see forrest lose again right now and thats probably what would happen if he fought rua…

[quote ]Note: If this is the case, and Shogun is not fighting Machida as planned, it will beg the question: Why not Chuck Liddell vs. Shogun Rua? Now that’s a fight.[/quote]

hell yeah, i agree, thats the fight i want to see, if they’re looking for a main event, thats it for crying out loud!

Is it that he gets punched in the face alot and takes it, is that why many people think he is a good fighter? Maybe if he learned to AVOID the beatings he takes, as in slipping punches and ducking(not into fists) I would respect his fighting skills more. But why should he get to fight any top five, let alone top ten fighter?

This is probably just a rumor cuz the UFC are having problems closing the Machida contract, probably cuz he wants more money. They wanna show that they could put on a bigger fight without him. Happens all the time. A bluff.

Liddell vs Machida!
Rua vs Forest
Jardine vs Silva!

Am I wrong people?????

Hey mania, you should post this highlight for some of the folks unfamiliar with Shogun, like you did with Sakurai. Tried to send it to you, but it was removed as “malicious code” due to being a url. Also added in how I like how quick this site updates per day.

http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/samba supernova/video/x29lmz_mauricio-shogun-rua-samba-supernova

Ugh, not working. Just copy/paste everything from my first post

I can see the logic behind not putting Shogun vs Liddell right now. I want to see Liddell vs Silva with some hype around it, and Shogun is too dangerous of a fight. I personally think Liddell is the perfect style to beat Shogun, but it’s still a dangerous fight. Lets do Liddell/Silva this year and Liddell/Shogun next year.

honestly i think i would rather watch jardine vs chuck or chuck vs machida, shogun vs griffin

Its not absolute yet anyways guys so dont get your panties in a bunch.

[quote comment="106710"]This rumor makes no sense. I won’t believe it until I hear it announced by the UFC.

a) Forest is on the coddled list, as are all beloved TUF fighters. Since Forest lost the fight before last, he needs to be coddled for a few more fights before they can risk the possibility of another lose. Rua would be a heavy favorite and therefore a poor choice of opponent.

b) Shogun is already rumored to be fighting Ryoto Machida, a lessor known fighter whom the UFC can afford to have lose.

Reminds me of the Bisping-Shamrock rumors.[/quote]

How are the TUF fighters “coddled”,how bout we chuck you in a cage with Tito Ortiz or Eric Schafer or even Elvis Sinosic and see how “coddled” you feel.

I would of picked Machida to beat Shogun but I dont think Forrest would.You never know though,Shogun has alot to adapt to and I think there is a real good chance he will be beat whoever he fights.I think Bisping would destroy Shogun and give all you Shogun fans a shock.

If they were going to do Liddell v Rua they wouldn’t just throw it together. Liddell-Machida would be a good one and Jardin-Griffin. I thought they were talking Rua-Bonnar at one time?
There are a lot of rumors reported on this board and maybe a quarter of them turn out to be true. I’m not biting on this one.

[quote comment="106773"]Liddell vs Machida!
Rua vs Forest
Jardine vs Silva!

Am I wrong people?????[/quote]

Liddell vs Machida would be boring, i like Machida vs Rua, Liddell vs Jardine, forrest wasnt on the original card, or Liddell vs Silva, Griffen-Jardine 2

Dose everyone remember when Mirko came to the ufc, and all the pride guys hyped him up, That’s whats happening with shogun, sure he dangerous, but hes by far not the best 205 in the world i say he needs to Fight machida And winner gets a title shot.

Every where I’m reading is Rua Vs Machida, alot sites saying Confirmed by the Ufc, so this Griffen bs is another rumor

Wow the UFC loses all credibility for life. How can you say a match up between Shogun and Ryoto Machida is going to happen then it falls through … Oh wait my bad we already saw that happen between Chuck and Silva

And another thing it makes incredible sense to throw Forrest Griffen, a guy who is supposed to be your rising star and who helped put UFC on the map in April of 2005 (UFC 52) mainstream wise, in against Shogun. Joe Silva and Dana White must have attended Harvard Business School.

Chuck losing to Keith Jardine does nothing for the lightweight division because Jardine cant hang with Rampage, Silva or Shogun … Why have this fight ? Oh thats right because Dana loves to play motor boat with Liddell’s sack. He also gets his leftover groupie love. Lets just pave the road for Chuck ……

What should go down

1. Quinton Jackson vs. Dan Henderson (obviously happening)
2. Chuck Liddell vs. Shogun or Silva
3. Forrest Griffen vs Keith Jardine II (both have same rest period and its time for ONLY ONE to emerge as the new young gun)
4. Tito Ortiz vs. Rashad Evans II (Al Sharpton refs)
5. Ryoto Machida vs. Jason Lambert

[quote comment="106719"]I’ve never seen a UFC site with this many people who are anti-UFC/Dana White/etc. Stop bitching or stop watching…PLEASE![/quote]

Tim:

This is not an anti-UFC or anti-Dana White site. I have visited many different sites that provide discussion forums regarding the UFC and, without a doubt, UFC Mania readers and posters are by far and away the most knowledgeable and intelligent MMA fans. At other sites the posters just insult each other. Sure, many of the UFCMania posters are critical of the UFC and Dana White. There is good reason. The UFC has made many bad decisions of late and the people are true fans that only want the sport to get better. Forgive us all for not drinking Dana White’s koolaide.

All of you guys missed it. This plays right into 2007 as a whole. It is the year of upsets. There is nothing that creates more of a buzz than a big upset. Dana has merely orchestrated the potential for two more.

Crickets are somewhere chirrping after the comment above mine.

1984 – The year of the mullet
1991 – The year of the beeper/pager
1998 – The year Clinton gets oral in the oval
2007 – The year of the “upset”

Ok this is not WWF and this is not something Dana White should be trying to orchastrate a la Vince McMahon. I highly doubt PROTECTING THE YEAR OF THE UPSET is the reason for such ridiculous fights such as Liddell/Jardine and Shogun/Griffen.

Shogun could walk through Griffin in his sleep. They are not even on the same planet!

UFC has “rankings”. Not true rankings, but rankings none the less. They aren’t gonna match up someone who isnt top 10 against someone who is arguably number 1. With Shogun just coming in, his ranking is low. I would say he is at Forests level right now, which we all know he is going to decimate Forest, but that will raise his rank, then maybe he will get to fight a top 10 fighter. Jardine is considered a top 10 fighter, though I don’t agree with it. With his knockout of Griffin that put him there. If you look at it from an organizational perspective, this makes total sense. Let Shogun run through Griffin then you can bitch about his next opponent, maybe the loser of Henderson vs Rampage. With Chuck more than likely fighting the winner after he KOs Jardine in the first round.

[quote comment="106773"]Liddell vs Machida!
Rua vs Forest
Jardine vs Silva!

Am I wrong people?????[/quote]

I like this idea. gives the Pride fighters an octagon warm up before the big showdowns take place. I’d be really interested to see Liddell match up against Machida.

Wow, I’d be very interested to see this fight go down. Of course Shogun is the heavy favorite, but I hope that Forrest can make it an exciting fight. If he comes out as hesitant as he did against Hector Ramirez, Shogun will have him lying in a pool of his own blood within the first minute. I also think that the Forrest Griffin that fought Bonner at the TUF1 finale wouldn’t fair well against Shogun either. He’s not someone you want to stand and bang with. If Forrest can find that perfect medium between his two contrasting styles, he will make it out of round 1 alive.

There are not many fighters in the world that are on the same level as Shogun. Can you imagine if Forrest was able to KO Shogun? That would give Forrest the much needed boost in his career to put him in the direction of a title shot.

If Forrest can last 3 rounds with Shogun, then there is no loser in the fight.

Great fight cant wait, why are all you little girls crying about this fight? I wouldn’t miss it for the world.

i think it will be a exciting fight i think the card is good to, as of now, but i wiil get the fight because i get all of the fights and i think the fights will be good.

Lidell vs Machida would be a terrible fight as they are both counter-punchers. 15 minutes of dancing.

I wanted to see Shogun come at and destroy Machida. I’m not a fan of Machida’s style.

[quote comment="106773"]Liddell vs Machida!
Rua vs Forest
Jardine vs Silva!

Am I wrong people?????[/quote]

No it’s good for business and good for future match ups…I like it

Yeah this is looking more and more to be the match-up. I think it will be a great fight. And Forrest asked for this fight so it will be cool if he got it.

Why not Chuck Liddell vs. Shogun Rua? Now that’s a fight.

It’s also a fight which Chuck has a better chance of losing therefore not as “good” of a match up.

[quote comment="106731"]When Forrest gets KTFO, are the fanboys still going to be on his jock. I love the guy’s interviews and everything he does outside the Octagon, but he is a B grade fighter at best.[/quote]

Yeah, I have yet to see what is so special about him. He can take a beating but I don’t see a lot of skill in his fighting.

This doesnt make sense. The UFC putting such a huge fan favorite against an opponent like Shogun. I figured they would just feed him stupid fights and use him as a marketing tool. Corporate bastards

[quote comment="106986"]And another thing it makes incredible sense to throw Forrest Griffen, a guy who is supposed to be your rising star and who helped put UFC on the map in April of 2005 (UFC 52) mainstream wise, in against Shogun. Joe Silva and Dana White must have attended Harvard Business School.[/quote]

Um, it’s a great business decision. I don’t think you even realize what you’re ranting about. Forest is probably the third most popular LHW (#1 is Liddell, #2 is Ortiz), and is considered a very good fighter to most fans. If Shogun beats him spectacularly, which he should, Shogun’s marketability skyrockets with just one fight.

Meanwhile, Forest is popular enough that he won’t disappear with just one loss. And even if he did, they’ve got plenty of marketable fighters now. They can’t coddle a popular fighter forever if he can’t make the jump and hang with the big boys.

The UFC has to cater to the average fan before us hardcore fans. Just relax, and enjoy the ride. We’ll see the fights we want to see soon enough.

[quote comment="106773"]Liddell vs Machida!
Rua vs Forest
Jardine vs Silva!

Am I wrong people?????[/quote]

Yes, the third fight isn’t possible. Silva isn’t fighting until at least November. That’s why we’re not seeing Liddell vs Silva.

Im pretty sure Machida’s first name is spelled Lyoto not Ryoto. Or are their two Machida’s with very close first names?
I dont know this for fact but im pretty sure its Lyoto but ive seen both used.

[quote comment="106735"]And Griffin is better than most people give him credit for. Sure he’s not on an amazing win streak but that dont mean sh1t. Rua is like a Rabid Animal super agressive but Forrest can take punishment. If this turns out to be the matchup i think Forrest will fair better than alot of you think. Im not saying he’s gonna win but stranger things have happened.[/quote]

Just the opposite. He is overrated. Machida, Shogun, Liddell, Rampage, Henderson, Rah and Ortiz are all better.

[quote comment="106735"]And Griffin is better than most people give him credit for. Sure he’s not on an amazing win streak but that dont mean sh1t. Rua is like a Rabid Animal super agressive but Forrest can take punishment. If this turns out to be the matchup i think Forrest will fair better than alot of you think. Im not saying he’s gonna win but stranger things have happened.[/quote]

Just the opposite. He is overrated. Machida, Shogun, Liddell, Rampage, Henderson, Rah and Ortiz are all better.

[quote comment="107546"][quote comment="106735"]And Griffin is better than most people give him credit for. Sure he’s not on an amazing win streak but that dont mean sh1t. Rua is like a Rabid Animal super agressive but Forrest can take punishment. If this turns out to be the matchup i think Forrest will fair better than alot of you think. Im not saying he’s gonna win but stranger things have happened.[/quote]

Just the opposite. He is overrated. Machida, Shogun, Liddell, Rampage, Henderson, Rah and Ortiz are all better.[/quote]

I meant on UFCmania he’s better than most the posters on UFCmania give him credit for. I dont see a big hype around Forrest Griffin and how he’s such an amazingly skilled MMA fighter. The only hype i see is around because the guys goofy and likeable and that sells. Its very rare to see someone post anything along the lines of how good a fighter and skilled Forrest is. So its kinda hard to say he’s overrated. Im not saying either way that Forrest is great or he’s a lame duck im just saying alot of posters just see the numbers and go well Forrest is dead. Im not biased and i dont care who wins. And im fully aware of Rua’s credentials and have watched alot of his fights. And i say knowing Forrest Griffins style and how much Rua has in skill over him that i still think alot of you are gonna be surprised how Forrest will fair against Rua. If he gets Ko’ed in the first round then i guess im eating crow but i really dont see that happening.

[quote comment="107568"][quote comment="107546"][quote comment="106735"]And Griffin is better than most people give him credit for. Sure he’s not on an amazing win streak but that dont mean sh1t. Rua is like a Rabid Animal super agressive but Forrest can take punishment. If this turns out to be the matchup i think Forrest will fair better than alot of you think. Im not saying he’s gonna win but stranger things have happened.[/quote]

Just the opposite. He is overrated. Machida, Shogun, Liddell, Rampage, Henderson, Rah and Ortiz are all better.[/quote]

I meant on UFCmania he’s better than most the posters on UFCmania give him credit for. I dont see a big hype around Forrest Griffin and how he’s such an amazingly skilled MMA fighter. The only hype i see is around because the guys goofy and likeable and that sells. Its very rare to see someone post anything along the lines of how good a fighter and skilled Forrest is. So its kinda hard to say he’s overrated. Im not saying either way that Forrest is great or he’s a lame duck im just saying alot of posters just see the numbers and go well Forrest is dead. Im not biased and i dont care who wins. And im fully aware of Rua’s credentials and have watched alot of his fights. And i say knowing Forrest Griffins style and how much Rua has in skill over him that i still think alot of you are gonna be surprised how Forrest will fair against Rua. If he gets Ko’ed in the first round then i guess im eating crow but i really dont see that happening.[/quote]
I agree with you Thor, Forrest will hang much better than most think I bet. Forrest is never said to be great or the best, Shogun is. Shogun is much more overrated than Forrest.

Shogun Knocked Out Rampage easily. He’s won a Grand PRIX and Dominated Pride for years.
Being that Forrest likes to stand up and strike Shogun will
tear him apart with Leg Kicks, Knee’s in the clinch. Forrest is basically a stand up banger that throws bombs. It is already in the making that Wanderlei is passing the torch down to shogun. Griffith vs Shogun??? This is a Side show.
Shogun vs Liddell? Now theres a fight.

Forrest will gets KTFO

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a fan from Morocco themaineiac2006@hotmail.com

If anyone gets a title shot at 205 next, it should be Rashad Evans period. He’s earned it. I dont know why on gods green earth liddel should get a shot next if he wins after he just got Ko’d by the champ, Rua is to new to UFC and so are all the others, I know they are good but let them build a record up in UFC before they get a title shot.

[quote comment="107845"]If anyone gets a title shot at 205 next, it should be Rashad Evans period. He’s earned it. I dont know why on gods green earth liddel should get a shot next if he wins after he just got Ko’d by the champ, Rua is to new to UFC and so are all the others, I know they are good but let them build a record up in UFC before they get a title shot.[/quote]

There is NO reason why shogun shouldnt get a title shot. He DISMANTLED rampage in devastating fashion twice. Shogun has also fought in a cage before, its nothing new to him. Rashad evans getting a title shot after going to a draw with ortiz is the most retarded thing i ever heard. Rashad had his chance to make his mark and beat a “high caliber” fighter and he blew it.

[quote comment="107845"]If anyone gets a title shot at 205 next, it should be Rashad Evans period. He’s earned it. I dont know why on gods green earth liddel should get a shot next if he wins after he just got Ko’d by the champ, Rua is to new to UFC and so are all the others, I know they are good but let them build a record up in UFC before they get a title shot.[/quote]

Rashad would get Ko’ed by Liddell,Page,and Henderson. His wrestling wouldnt even come into play if he fought any of these 3 no matter whos the champ. And the Pride guys coming over that have winning records your saying have to work twice as hard and long to get a Title shot in the UFC as the guys that were already here. They have already proven themselves in Pride so i dont see why they need to build a record in the UFC before a Title shot maybe one or two fights in the octagon before a title shot depending on the fighter and the record. Im not saying every pride fighter should get a title shot lol. But like the Rua’s and the Henderson’s they have already moved up the ranks and have proved that there top level right now. While i think the UFC and the octagon is a bit different and a little bit of a test to see how certain fighters are with the cage. Its not like apples and oranges its close. So the fighters from Pride arent like a level below UFC fighters there on the same level and some are better. I think personally the UFC is the premier MMA organization because of better promotion,money,etc. Not because the fighters in the UFC are 10 times better than any other organizations fighters. Plus it really depends on where you live Pride is way bigger in Japan than the UFC. So most Pride fans are partial to Pride Fighters and probably think there better than most UFC fighters. Sorry for Ranting and rambling i’ll shut the hell up now.

How does Rashad going to a draw with Ortiz blow his oppurtunity, He didnt lose to a guy that has only been beaten by Liddel and Couture, besides, he seems to fight to the level of his competition. I think he could hang with Ramp, Rua, Hendo, maybe not win but he could hold his own.

And I dont mean they have to build up some massive record but let them fight a few fights and give some other guys a shot first, bye your logic I guess the first person who should get a shot is Houston Alexander or Alexander Houston since he has 200 somethin fights and demolished a supposed top contender with ease

The UFC doesnt look for the best fighters in the world. They go for whoever will sign a low paying contract and be at the disposal of their marketing machine dana white

[quote comment="107845"]If anyone gets a title shot at 205 next, it should be Rashad Evans period. He’s earned it. I dont know why on gods green earth liddel should get a shot next if he wins after he just got Ko’d by the champ, Rua is to new to UFC and so are all the others, I know they are good but let them build a record up in UFC before they get a title shot.[/quote]

Eh no…Rashad is pants and he would $h!t his pants if he had to fight ‘Page or Hendo. Shogun should have a warm up then a crack at the title just like ‘Page.

[quote post="2766"]And Griffin is better than most people give him credit for. Sure he’s not on an amazing win streak but that dont mean sh1t. Rua is like a Rabid Animal super agressive but Forrest can take punishment. If this turns out to be the matchup i think Forrest will fair better than alot of you think. Im not saying he’s gonna win but stranger things have happened. [/quote]
Like Forrest said,” you can put me in the cage with any 205 lb fighter and I might not win ,but I’ll make it a fight. I believe him.

[quote post="2766"]And Griffin is better than most people give him credit for. Sure he’s not on an amazing win streak but that dont mean sh1t. Rua is like a Rabid Animal super agressive but Forrest can take punishment. If this turns out to be the matchup i think Forrest will fair better than alot of you think. Im not saying he’s gonna win but stranger things have happened.
Just the opposite. He is overrated. Machida, Shogun, Liddell, Rampage, Henderson, Rah and Ortiz are all better.
I meant on UFCmania he’s better than most the posters on UFCmania give him credit for. I dont see a big hype around Forrest Griffin and how he’s such an amazingly skilled MMA fighter. The only hype i see is around because the guys goofy and likeable and that sells. Its very rare to see someone post anything along the lines of how good a fighter and skilled Forrest is. So its kinda hard to say he’s overrated. Im not saying either way that Forrest is great or he’s a lame duck im just saying alot of posters just see the numbers and go well Forrest is dead. Im not biased and i dont care who wins. And im fully aware of Rua’s credentials and have watched alot of his fights. And i say knowing Forrest Griffins style and how much Rua has in skill over him that i still think alot of you are gonna be surprised how Forrest will fair against Rua. If he gets Ko’ed in the first round then i guess im eating crow but i really dont see that happening.
I agree with you Thor, Forrest will hang much better than most think I bet. Forrest is never said to be great or the best, Shogun is. Shogun is much more overrated than Forrest. [/quote]
I agree also Thor.

Actually Dana White will empty the pockets if he needs to. He paid Elvis Synosic 300,000 to get beat down by Bisbing. And Rordrigo Minituro Nugeura was paid 500,000 to come to the UFC. But as far as the next title shot at 205lbs it has to be Rua cuz he’s already knocked out Rampage. Another strong contender that might have a shot is aactually BISBING!?

[quote post="2766"]He paid Elvis Synosic 300,000 to get beat down by Bisbing[/quote]

Where in the world did you see that figure???

That’s what Synosic said he was paid and Joe Rogan also said he was paid around that figure.
But think about it he’ knows the UFC see’s him as a stepping stool for upcoming fighters. At the time he was semi-retired. He took the fight on short notice and was brought all the way from Australlia to the U.K.
He wouldn’t of taken the fight for anything less and Dana wasn’t going to risk Bisbing being upset by anybody else in the U.K.

Alot depends on the fighters relationship with Dana. I mean come on he basically bought the WFA just to get Quinton and Herring to the UFC all because he wanted that LIDDELL vs JACKSON 2.

LMAO- Alot of you must not really be too familiar with Mariciuo Shogun Rua…???? He’s a SAVAGE!
Only thing about him getting a UFC title shot right away is i don’t think he’ll be mentally ready for the CAGE AND THE RULES.
His patent FORTAY’ is the foot stomp or flying foot stomp or kicking guys in the head and face when there down on all fours. He’s used to being able to drop knees on the head when guys are on all fours.

He’s not used to he Cage the dimensions and he’s not going to like being elbowed in the face when he’s in the guard!!

[quote comment="109168"]LMAO- Alot of you must not really be too familiar with Mariciuo Shogun Rua…???? He’s a SAVAGE!
Only thing about him getting a UFC title shot right away is i don’t think he’ll be mentally ready for the CAGE AND THE RULES.
His patent FORTAY’ is the foot stomp or flying foot stomp or kicking guys in the head and face when there down on all fours. He’s used to being able to drop knees on the head when guys are on all fours.

He’s not used to he Cage the dimensions and he’s not going to like being elbowed in the face when he’s in the guard!![/quote]

On the contrary most all of us are really familiar with Shogun Rua and his fighting style.What makes you think some of us arent familiar with him? The fact that some of us think Forrest will fair better than getting KO’ED in the 1st Round? I know the majority says Forrest is gonna get pounded out before Round 2. But while agree he’s probably gonna take alot of abuse i think as long as he doesnt get straight Ko’ed he will fair well against Rua. Far from saying Forrest will win but as i said stranger things have happened.

Boy oh boy, how one fight can X out a career, Forrest Griffin is no walk through, he had one bad showing and he gets talked about like a bum. I’m not impressed with the Pride fighters, including Shogun. I’ve seen him dismantle guys over there in Japan but when you put these guys in the UFC they don’t compare, they are however exciting. Anyone can be beaten and until Shogun proves otherwise…I think Forrest will take this one.

Feel free to talk shit, I heard alot of it when I picked Couture over Sylvia and Serra over St.Pierre.

[quote comment="110818"]Boy oh boy, how one fight can X out a career, Forrest Griffin is no walk through, he had one bad showing and he gets talked about like a bum. I’m not impressed with the Pride fighters, including Shogun. I’ve seen him dismantle guys over there in Japan but when you put these guys in the UFC they don’t compare, they are however exciting. Anyone can be beaten and until Shogun proves otherwise…I think Forrest will take this one.

Feel free to talk shit, I heard alot of it when I picked Couture over Sylvia and Serra over St.Pierre.[/quote]

WHO’S FORREST KNOCKED OUT? B-LEVEL FIGHTERS BECAUSE DANA WHITE WAS PROTECTING HIS STATUS. HIS FIRST REAL FIGHT WAS AGAINST TITO.

AND HE’S NEVER FOUGHT A GUY LIKE RUA WITH A SICK MUAY THAI BACKGROUND!
TELL ME HOW’S FORREST GOING TO BEAT HIM? GOING OUT LIKE USUAL AND THROWING BOLOS?

Forrest will soon be fighting on the prelims…..

[quote comment="111150"][quote comment="110818"]Boy oh boy, how one fight can X out a career, Forrest Griffin is no walk through, he had one bad showing and he gets talked about like a bum. I’m not impressed with the Pride fighters, including Shogun. I’ve seen him dismantle guys over there in Japan but when you put these guys in the UFC they don’t compare, they are however exciting. Anyone can be beaten and until Shogun proves otherwise…I think Forrest will take this one.

Feel free to talk shit, I heard alot of it when I picked Couture over Sylvia and Serra over St.Pierre.[/quote]

WHO’S FORREST KNOCKED OUT? B-LEVEL FIGHTERS BECAUSE DANA WHITE WAS PROTECTING HIS STATUS. HIS FIRST REAL FIGHT WAS AGAINST TITO.

AND HE’S NEVER FOUGHT A GUY LIKE RUA WITH A SICK MUAY THAI BACKGROUND!
TELL ME HOW’S FORREST GOING TO BEAT HIM? GOING OUT LIKE USUAL AND THROWING BOLOS?

Forrest will soon be fighting on the prelims…..[/quote]

“Whos Forrest knocked out???”
Hey bud ya gotta start somewhere maybe Rua will be Forrest’s first big name knockout wouldnt you feel dumb. I doubt it but ya know ya just never can tell.Rua’s good but dont count Forrest out. After all he’s the one that requested this match-up.

Has Rua ever fought anyone without using the kicks and stomps on the ground?

forrest griffin vs. MAURICIO RUA is a set up by dana white because nobody knows how much dana is a fan of mortal kombat. what dana wants to see is the first FATALITY performed in the octagon by MAURICIO RUA. a fight like this doesnt even make sense it is ludacris that this mortal (forrest) even attempt to enter the realm of MAURICIO RUA. HAHAHA