I’ve always been kind of confused, is K1 primarily a kick boxing organization with some MMA, or both, or what?

K-1 = Kickboxing, althou they sometimes throw in MMA fights as well like in the recent Granp Prix in Amsterdam. Mania should have posted K-1 HERO’s, which is the MMA portion of the promotion.

I like Soko going to K-1 HERO’s as Gomi is heading there as well and with a couple more of good names it could become the PrideFC replacement people are waiting for – unless of course they decided to ever again make a crappy show like the one in LA.

It’s primarily a kick boxing “sport” with use of MMA as well though not as glamourus as the UFC.

I think it’s a rookie mistake on his part to go K-1. When you are on top or coming off a knockout victory over guys like big nog I think you must have some bargaining leverage. I guess either Dana hasn’t stepped up and shown any interest and forced his hand therefore signing with K-1 or he was threatning to sign with another name and Dana said fine beat it then. Either way not a good turn out. If he loses a couple fights in K-1 his stocks going to go down and just make it harder for him later to demand big bucks if he decides to go to ufc. It’s easier to start at the top and work your way down then vice versa. Why not get your foot in the door first win a couple fights in the ufc and watch your pay days go up with each fight……hopefully lol.

Rookie mistake to go to K1? Dude has a ton of talent, just too raw as he has only been practicing MMA a few years.

As far as Shaw’s comments, being abrasive and burrying fighters/players (like Dana is infamous for) isnt the way you are gonna run a successful business. Keep the negativity to a minimum, focus on what you have, and go from there. Dont be a whiney dick when you dont get what you want.

[quote post="2738"]coming off a knockout victory over guys like big nog[/quote]
not big nog.Lil nog you punk

This is dumb, there are two things wrong with this..

First, Dana White needs to pay his friggin fighters more money

and Second, Sokoudjou’s a friggin idiot for not wanting to fight in the UFC, the only people who will ever know him are the “hardcore” MMA fans….

I wish he would of signed with the UFC. No other organization will become PRIDEFC that we all search for. UFC hogged the glam light back when PRIDE was still in its glory days and it will continue now that it consumed it. K-1, EliteXC, or Bodog dont even have a chance at a close second or third.

EliteXC offered him $200,000 per fight and K-1 offered him “substantially more.” What Dana White offered must have been piss.

[quote comment="104359"]EliteXC offered him $200,000 per fight and K-1 offered him “substantially more.” What Dana White offered must have been piss.[/quote]
No bloody way he is worth 200k to fight in the UFC… Id say 40k at best with a step option for main event cards. He wouldnt be a superstar in UFC like he would be in any other organization.

kneetotheface of course is was piss, Dana has to pay for all his cars not for fighters. I hope he fights a few good opponents in k-1 MMA fights then is signed to the UFC. I don’t get how come the UFC pays so little, MLB pays better than minor league baseball why should K-1 or Elite XC pay more for the same fighter? I have to admit though that 200,000 is alot for an unproven fighter, I admit though that 2 ko victories of great fighter is impressive and I like Thierry’s personality.

[quote comment="104377"][quote comment="104359"]EliteXC offered him $200,000 per fight and K-1 offered him “substantially more.” What Dana White offered must have been piss.[/quote]
No bloody way he is worth 200k to fight in the UFC… Id say 40k at best with a step option for main event cards. He wouldnt be a superstar in UFC like he would be in any other organization.[/quote]

He’s a better fighter than anyone in the UFC LHW division with the exception of Shogun. And considering how much Dana White pays people like Tito Ortiz ($210,000), he deserves at least that amount. I think you’re badly overrating the low-caliber, over-marketed fighters. I’m not sure if you’ve actually seen his matches against Rogerio Nogueira, and Ricardo Arona.

And the numbers I got were off mmaweekly.com; I didn’t make them up.

But anyways, I’m frankly glad Sokoudjou ditched EliteXC because there are more exciting fights to be had for him back in Japan. I wouldn’t be surprised if Fedor goes that route, either.

How much a fighter gets paid isn’t really about their talent level. I’ve learned I’m only worth as much as I can make money for my boss, and Sokoudjou isn’t well known by American fans enough yet to be paid that amount. Tito Ortiz may be a scrub compared to Sokoudjou, but he draws the casual fan and gets numbers for Dana. That’s why I agree that Sokoudjou isn’t worth much more than $40,000-$50,000.

This is the problem with the UFC. They pay people for their name instead of how good of a fighter they are. i.e. Tito Ortiz.

[quote comment="104419"]This is the problem with the UFC. They pay people for their name instead of how good of a fighter they are. i.e. Tito Ortiz.[/quote]

Well they are marketing fights are they not. It helps sell PPV and tickets at the gate and more money in Dana’s pockets.

Sad but true.

It seams that the UFC knows what’s its doing business wise, you seen the PPV numbers last year?

[\quote] He’s a better fighter than anyone in the UFC LHW division with the exception of Shogun. And considering how much Dana White pays people like Tito Ortiz ($210,000), he deserves at least that amount. I think you’re badly overrating the low-caliber, over-marketed fighters. I’m not sure if you’ve actually seen his matches against Rogerio Nogueira, and Ricardo Arona.[/quote]

Sokoudjou has had only 5 fights in his professional career I guarantee if he were to lose to his first opponent in the UFC everybody would jump off of his bandwagon.

That’s the case with anyone you put in the UFC.

I hope he gets better and better as a fighter I have high hopes for Soukoudjou wish him luck on his decisions.

[quote comment="104305"]I think it’s a rookie mistake on his part to go K-1. When you are on top or coming off a knockout victory over guys like big nog I think you must have some bargaining leverage. I guess either Dana hasn’t stepped up and shown any interest and forced his hand therefore signing with K-1 or he was threatning to sign with another name and Dana said fine beat it then. Either way not a good turn out. If he loses a couple fights in K-1 his stocks going to go down and just make it harder for him later to demand big bucks if he decides to go to ufc. It’s easier to start at the top and work your way down then vice versa. Why not get your foot in the door first win a couple fights in the ufc and watch your pay days go up with each fight……hopefully lol.[/quote]
His victory was over little Nog, not big Nog.

[quote comment="104357"]This is dumb, there are two things wrong with this..

First, Dana White needs to pay his friggin fighters more money

and Second, Sokoudjou’s a friggin idiot for not wanting to fight in the UFC, the only people who will ever know him are the “hardcore” MMA fans….[/quote]
A lot of people post that- UFC fighters aren’t getting paid. I agree they aren’t getting paid very much but they are getting paid what the current market rate is. Guys are willing to fight for $8K. No way anyone but the top guys are able to do this for a living unless “they ho’s” are supporting them. But that’s just the way it is right now. If K-1 or EliteXC (is that the same as Bodog?) or IFL ever amount to anything and challenge the UFC, then wages will increase. At a minimum that is a long way off.

[quote comment="104419"]This is the problem with the UFC. They pay people for their name instead of how good of a fighter they are. i.e. Tito Ortiz.[/quote]
Tito Ortiz is definitely above average and I would go so far as to say he should be ranked up in the top five or six. I seem to recall whereever he is ranked in the poll on this board looked about right to me. But he gets paid more than the other guys immediately above and below him because the guy is a master at generating fan interest in his fights. He has skills outside of the cage that are worth paying for- love him or hate him.

I’ve seen Soko’s fight against Little Nog (don’t blink or you’ll miss it) and shoot… drawing a blank… the guy Rampage knocked out with the slam… that one was longer but… Arona!… that one went longer but ended in sudden knock out too. I have to say I am still skeptical of Soko. Like come on, how much more proof do I need??! Well, one more fight against a name I recognize. Doesn’t need to end in knock out. Just demonstrate mad skills. Then I’ll believe.

[quote comment="104419"]This is the problem with the UFC. They pay people for their name instead of how good of a fighter they are. i.e. Tito Ortiz.[/quote]
The only people Tito has lost to is the best (randy and Chuck) so i say he worth keeping.

I dont know why (apart from the money) fighter chooe to go to other promotion everyone knows the big stage is UFC.

[quote post="2738"]The only people Tito has lost to is the best (randy and Chuck) so i say he worth keeping. [/quote]
rofl randy and chuck arent the best.. honestly they are both pretty shitty in the overall MMA scene, but you are obviously a tuf fanboi. if you didnt know this, randy and chuck both got owned by low level fighters in other organizations, then went to UFC cause the competition is weak.

[quote comment="104834"][quote post="2738"]The only people Tito has lost to is the best (randy and Chuck) so i say he worth keeping. [/quote]
rofl randy and chuck arent the best.. honestly they are both pretty shitty in the overall MMA scene, but you are obviously a tuf fanboi. if you didnt know this, randy and chuck both got owned by low level fighters in other organizations, then went to UFC cause the competition is weak.[/quote]

Go back to Sherdog please.

Thanks UFCMania, this forum rocks for online debate. I love the passion, you f*Kers rock and I wonder how many of you actually fight.

P.S As much as I do not want to say it, Soloudjou could be the best fighter as his weight. He has scary talent.

[quote post="2738"]He’s a better fighter than anyone in the UFC LHW division with the exception of Shogun.[/quote]

LOLOLOL. Who typed this comment, Beatrice Sokoudjou? Only Soko’s mother would speak of him so highly. You are out of your mind if you think this. And Brock Lesnar is the best HW too, right?

I still think that Soko is overrated.

He has two notable wins against opponents who are also overrated. Ricardo Arona and Little Nog. Everyone speaks highly about Ricardo Arona, but everytime his name is mentioned, its because we are discussing another fighter and who that fighter has beaten. Ricardo Arona is always on the list of fighters that a ‘conetenders’ have beaten. Plus he doesn’t know how to finish fights. He is 13-5, only finishing 5 of those fights (2 TKO, 3 sub). Here are the people he has finished – Hiromitsu Kanehara, Gustavo Machado, Sergey Ignatov, Kazushi Sakuraba when he was about 40 years old, and Alistair Overeem who lost to just about every good fighter he’s faced as well.

Little Nog is definitely no Big Nog, but he did submit Dan Henderson. So he is nowhere as overrated as Ricardo Arona.

Sokoudjou has a lot of raw talent and potential. Now that he trains with Team Quest, they should be able to mold him into a champion. But to think he can be champ in the UFC (even though he’s not signed with them) within a couple years is crazy.

[quote comment="105429"][quote post="2738"]He’s a better fighter than anyone in the UFC LHW division with the exception of Shogun.[/quote]

LOLOLOL. Who typed this comment, Beatrice Sokoudjou? Only Soko’s mother would speak of him so highly. You are out of your mind if you think this. And Brock Lesnar is the best HW too, right?[/quote]

LOL Thierry’s mom would kick his ass if she knew he was fighting. She’s in Africa.

sokoudjou is worth 200 , 000.
maybe dana is afraid to have the same thing happen to pae as did arona, lil’ nog.
he’d have a very good chance against anyone , maybe even shogun

I would pay to see any fight Soko is in! And that should be all Dana white is concerned with, “Will people pay to see him!” the answer is YES.

Soko is definately someone to contend with at 205 and as far as money is concerned remember this, people won’t pay the premium price of admission to a ufc event just for a main event, there has to be undercards, they are part of the reason for the whole event. Tito does draw a crowd but is useless as a fighter, his flame is gone, he is at best a dim candle, someone said Tito should be in the top 5 or 6 at 205, what a joke at best top ten. Look Soko can’t draw the crowd that Tito can but give Soko someone like Tito on a one fight contract with negotiations to follow and then you will truely see where Soko stands. I personally think Soko would kick the shit out of Tito in quick fashion but unless they fight it is only an opinion and like everyone knows opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and they all stink. I would pay to see Soko fight.