You cant argue with that. Anyone who thought the sherk fight needed to be stood up or was boring doesnt know jack about mma. The tito call was totally justified. He was holding on to the fence for dear life on multiple occasions. Big John is the best ref in MMA and probly could submit anyone that posts on this site.
Well spoken, very smart man. Did he ever fight in MMA or what is his story?? Former football player or something. The Tito point deduction was totally justified.
Yea, I definitely agree that Tito should’ve been penalized. It was the right call my Big John.
He’s also right about Sherk. He couldn’t stand them up because Sherk was always in a dominant position. I just wish that Sherk had some more finishing power. Hermes is tough but this is the second 25 minute fight in a row for Sherk.
In my opinion, Sherk was a lot more active in the Florian fight. I think that could’ve been because Sherk was worried about his cut.
I don’t think Sherk can keep going like this. Everyone knows that longer fights produce more injuries. If every fight Sherk is in lasts 25 minutes, then one has to wonder what kind’ve toll that will take in the long run
[quote comment=”101701″]You cant argue with that. Anyone who thought the sherk fight needed to be stood up or was boring doesnt know jack about mma. .[/quote]
I have to disagree only on the boring note.
Yeah, no one can really justify standing it up. Sherk worked for better position the whole time. However, if you can gain mount over and over again, you should be able to finish. You could see by the 4th round that Hermes’ spirit was broken. He was done and he knew it, but all he had to do was hang in there because Sherk wasn’t actually going balls to the wall (not even close) offensively.
I hope BJ Penn takes on Sherk next and wins. Lightweight title fights will be boring as long as sherk reigns.
[quote comment=”101704″]Well spoken, very smart man. Did he ever fight in MMA or what is his story?? Former football player or something. The Tito point deduction was totally justified.[/quote]
He was a sparring partner with the gracies in the early 90’s from what I know. He got into officating and the rest is history. He worked/works with the LAPD training self defense and stuff. He is a black belt in BJJ. Kinda scary huh? He has his own gym up in LA. It looks really nice. You can go train with him if you got the $$. He’s a legend in the MMA world. I think he should go to the hall fame personally. Maybe not now seeing how theres only 4 people in there. But later on, I think its justified.
Im tired of people saying that others dont know anything about MMA just becuase they booed someone for their ground work. Boxing has been around for over a hundred years and people who know the sport still boo a fight. Its becuase people want to see action. Its called ultimate fighting not ultimate wrestling. I appreciate a good ground game, but you cant call some one a well rounded mixed martial artist if they can only beat someone becuase they can pin them down because they are stronger. I think Sherk is excellent at conditioning, power and ground work but he makes for a boring fight. Anderson Silva and GSP are best examples of what MMA is supposed to be. And all of their fights are the best.
Yeah, no one can really justify standing it up. Sherk worked for better position the whole time. However, if you can gain mount over and over again, you should be able to finish. You could see by the 4th round that Hermes’ spirit was broken. He was done and he knew it, but all he had to do was hang in there because Sherk wasn’t actually going balls to the wall (not even close) offensively.
I got to disagree wit u .. it wasnt boring.. at all. and how is a ref goin to see that a fighters “spirit is broken” .. u got to be kidding me, right ? And sherk maybe not goin to balls to the wall cause in his mind he won the 1st three rounds and if he can keep franca on the ground in side mount or full mount, he would keep his title and dominate the fight.. its called stratergy.. and it was awesome
[quote post=”2708″]I hope Big John writes an autobiography, I would love to read it. He really is the tops in the MMA world. [/quote]
that would be pimp. I would totally read that. And I agree with Johns decision….. however I think he should have kicked tito in the face for grabbing the fence. lol
I agree that the Sherk fight was a good fight but a boring fight but what about Franca. He locked in like two guillotines and tried a couple of knee bars from the bottom but thats all he did from the bottom. And I’m pretty sure he said before the fight “if he takes me down he’s gonna do me a favor because I will sweep him then submit him” Maybe I’m wrong but I’m pretty sure thats what he said.
I agree with “I did a mistake”. I personally cannot stand these idiots in the stands that boo because the fight goes to the ground, despite the fact that Sherk was completely dominating Franca, passing his guard at will and taking knees to the head like it was a pillow fight. Nobody should be booing regardless of the fight. These guys are busting their asses, putting their health and well-being on the line to entertain you(us)the fans and you pay them back by booing them. American fans could learn alot from the Japanese fans in regards to respecting the martial arts. There should be a rule at UFC fights that is someone is caught booing, then you pick their ass up and throw them in the cage and we’ll see how they do Mr. Toughguy.
[quote post=”2708″]Actually it is called Ultimate Fighting. You’re on a Ultimate Fighting website. Hence UFCMANIA.com You get it. Or do you need further explanation.[/quote]
No Gus, YOU ARE WRONG, and Greco888 is correct. It is the sport of Mixed Martial Arts, hence the term, MMA. Do you call baseball the sport of “Major Leagues” or do you call it baseball? MLB is a league where athletes play the sport of baseball. The Utlimate Fighting Championships is a league of athletes who compete in the sport of Mixed Martial Arts.
I wish they would show more videos of Big John explaining the rules cause some times its kind of hard to explain to noobs why the ref does one thing but not the other.
The Huntington Beach Balloon for sure needed a point taken away, I hope to see this more often like when Fedor put his arm over the fence when he fought Lindland.
Sherk was raping Franca and was slower than most people are used to bhut the people I talk about are noobs or just causal fans who haven’t seen a good Sakuraba fight.
Gus WTF are you on? Did you and Ricco Rodriguez get together and have a Scarface party? Its called MMA.
[quote post=”2708″]Its called ultimate fighting not ultimate wrestling
Actually it’s called Mixed Martial Arts. [/quote]
[quote post=”2708″]Actually it is called Ultimate Fighting. You’re on a Ultimate Fighting website. Hence UFCMANIA.com You get it. Or do you need further explanation. [/quote]
Actually, you are 100% WRONG Gus, and Grecco888 is correct. The UFC is a league for the sport of Mixed Martial Arts, hence the term, MMA. Calling the sport Ultimate Fighting, is using the wrong terminololgy. When you watch BoDog fight, what are the 2 fighters doing, Ultimate Fighting, or Bodogging it? Wrong, they are competing in the sport of Mixed Martial Arts. Also, this site is about the UFC, not UF. Do you call MLB baseball the sport of “Major League”? Probably not, its the sport of baseball, and the league is MLB - Major League Baseball.
Do you now understand why everyone is laughing at your comment, or do you need further explanation????
LOve BJM…always puts it down. Explained why it happened from start to finish without s break or doubt in his decision. It was a point that needed to be deducted. Tito clearly used the fence to his advantage. Do I think it was little premature? maybe alittle. But I’m glad BJM stood his ground as a profeesional.
I got to disagree wit u .. it wasnt boring.. at all. and how is a ref goin to see that a fighters “spirit is broken” .. u got to be kidding me, right ? And sherk maybe not goin to balls to the wall cause in his mind he won the 1st three rounds and if he can keep franca on the ground in side mount or full mount, he would keep his title and dominate the fight.. its called stratergy.. and it was awesome[/quote]
It’s not for the ref to see that the challenger’s “spirit is broken”, it’s for sherk to see. Kind of like Rashad said he felt Tito “break” when he took him down and threw elbows.
Especially when youre dominating a fight you should try to finish. He gained mount and side control at will. why not? franca was posing almost no threat.
It’s not for the ref to see that the challenger’s “spirit is broken”, it’s for sherk to see. Kind of like Rashad said he felt Tito “break” when he took him down and threw elbows.
Especially when youre dominating a fight you should try to finish. He gained mount and side control at will. why not? franca was posing almost no threat.[/quote]
’cause of different fighting styles.. sherk couldve of been cautious for goin for a submission.. if he missed, could put him in a bad spot.. he dominated.. it was awesome, hes the real deal at 155.. he did wat he had to do to win.. and keep the belt.. isnt that wat ur suppose to do.. not always entertain.
[quote comment=”101784″]Actually it is called Ultimate Fighting. You’re on a Ultimate Fighting website. Hence UFCMANIA.com You get it. Or do you need further explanation.[/quote]
It is not called ultimate fighting. People who refer to mma as ultimate fighting are the same idiots who held the sport back so long. Mixed Martial Arts is the correct term for the sport, but they fight for the ufc.
And the Sherk fight was boring. I don’t care if technique was oozing out of Sherk’s ass, he still fought a boring fight. Was I impressed by his guard passing? Hell ya. Was I impressed by his ability to recover from some good needs? Again, yes. But after he gained dominant position, he did NOTHING. He threw little rabid punches and elbows for the sake of scoring points and keeping position. He never gave a remote effort to finish the fight, hence it was boring.
By that logic, if I get pissed off watching the Cowboys, and say their offense is being too conservative, I’m not a football fan. That elitist attitude is annoying
but it wasnt boring at all.. it wasnt a jake obrien.. he was working on the ground.. obrien just laid on top of herring.. tim sylvia just stood up and sprawled. sherk was aggressive.. totally dominated.. he ate some big knees.. did the ground and pound.. great shots to get franca down.. by no means was this fight like the obrien or any syliva fights..
There’s a big difference between a good ground game that involves going for submissions and good GNP but laying on someone just because you are in a dominant position doesn’t make you a star. A hockey player that has alot of chances to score but never finishes never becomes MVP. What’s the difference between what Sherk did on Saturday then what Sylvia did against Monson?
did u not see when sherk got franca in mount that he got sweeped a couple of times.. maybe caution played a factor.. just maybe. ur hockey comparion is funny because ur right if u dont score goals u wont be an mvp.. but sherk is already the champ.. so i dont know where ur goin wit that.
I think you can tell the people who have actually been in a fight from the comments on this website. If you are ragging on Sherk because you were bored by his fight I automatically put you in the armchair fighter catagory. The guy got rocked by a serious flying knee to start almost every round. The fact that he maintained his composure and continued to dominate the fight say’s a lot about his fortitude. Sean Sherk’s job is to win fights his way, not yours.
I want Big John to be my best man at my wedding, what a gentleman.. and he knows his shit and is taking xyience to get in better shape. good work big john
hahaa on the front of sports illustrated it said ultimate fighting and not mma but that article was pretty much for noobs anyways, and their the people that call it ultimate fighting. anyways i think sherk-franca was an awesome fight, not one bit boring. i disagree with stand ups in general, if a guy like sean sherk can hold you down for 5 minutes then so be it, it’s part of the game. you don’t sit there and ask for stand ups like heath herring or to get seperated like chuck liddell (when randy had him up against the fence at ufc 57), you find a way out! it’s part of mma.
Finally watched it. What did Rashad do other than the last few seconds? Tito easily won that fight, but I can’t blame Big John for the deduction, he was warned.
[quote comment=”101970″]I think you can tell the people who have actually been in a fight from the comments on this website. If you are ragging on Sherk because you were bored by his fight I automatically put you in the armchair fighter catagory. The guy got rocked by a serious flying knee to start almost every round. The fact that he maintained his composure and continued to dominate the fight say’s a lot about his fortitude. Sean Sherk’s job is to win fights his way, not yours.[/quote]
Big Nog got blasted with a huge kick in the 1st round. there isn’t a soul that doesn’t remember that one.
Still, once he got his composure back, he was agressive again. he continued to go for takedowns and submissions.
If the lightweight fight was really close, I could see sherk wanting to just outpoint the guy by mashing him into the ground for a while and not letting him back up. Fact is that it wasn’t close, there was no serious threat from the standup other than when he shot in a couple times and ate a knee for his efforts.
Hermes wasn’t really going for any noteworthy submissions off his back nor did he present too much difficulty to out-muscle and take down. That said, I don’t think it would have hurt sherk too badly to try and throw some serious bombs when in a dominant position. even if he got swept, he would have got hermes right back where he was.
THe Sherk fight wasn’t bad but it wasn’t a great fight by any means. The only one who landed any really powerful shots was Hermes, and add in his near choke of Sherk in the first round and heck I was more entertained by what he did than the winner.
[quote comment=”102384″]Finally watched it. What did Rashad do other than the last few seconds? Tito easily won that fight, but I can’t blame Big John for the deduction, he was warned.[/quote]
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Totally agree, he did nothing for the first 10 minutes except cut Tito’s eye from a thumb nail and dance around like a fool. Final round Tito looked exhausted and Rashad still did nothing until the last 10 - 20 seconds of a fight where he took Tito down and landed about 4 - 5 punches/hammerfists.
Tito was never in any trouble at all and basically was the aggressor the entire fight.
Point deduction was BS IMO, everyfighter grabs the cage to avoid the take down. Chuck Lidell anyone! And the allegid 7 or 8 grabs, what channel was that on. Where the point was taken away if was not a “slam” and the takedown occurred anyway, Tito grabbed it on the way down.
But whatever, got to respect the refs call.
But the Judges, not sure what they were thinking about.
And Rashad, thinking he won the fight and broke his spirit. I sense another failed drug test coming……….
the audio is down on my computer for some reason..but regardless what big jon says the point of watching a mma bout is to determine who wins..yea theres rules you must follow.aftter point was deducted evans still scores the takedown and even then judges would agree that night if not for point deduction tito would have earned a decision
the audio is down on my computer for some reason..regardless what big jon says the purpose of watching an mma bout is to determine who wins.after the point deduction evans still scores the takedowm.. judges agreed that night if not for point deduction tito would have earned the decision
Big john is the man, I wish he could ref all fights. I too would have liked to hear his take on the Nog/Herring fight.
The Sherk/Franca fight was in no way boring. Yeah Sherk should have finished, but if any of you have ever rolled with a top caliber fighter and been treated like Sherk treated Franca, then you can easily understand how awesome Sherk’s performance was. It’s a really discouraging feeling when someone is that good and you have no answers.
Big Head/Little Head fight, now that fight was boring. I agree with the point deduction. I agree Little Head did do nothing except in the last 20 seconds but if he had been able to take Big Head down he might have been able to do something worthy of winning the fight but 2 separate times the for sure takedown was stopped with a fence grab. Point deduction = justified. Any which way though that fight was boring as hell and I really could care less if I see either of them in the UFC again. They offer no threat to the title. Therefore they are undercards in my book.
….and how about the Ken-Flo domination? Kenny is the real deal and I wont be surprised to see him make a run at the winner of Sherk/Penn.
normally i would say in mma specially each fight is different so are each fighter.diff strenghts diff weaknesses diff training.most concentrate on one thing theyre really good at.sherk/franca sherk a powerfull explosive huge for 155 wrestler that can strike just overwhelmed hermes..but not to say he completey dominated cuz to do so u would need to finish.hermes is not known for being extremely athletic and obvously sherk is very.in a fight u do what u feel most cofortable without risking getting into a bad situation.all depends on your opponent with that said its mma i rather finish an opponent with a lazy left overhand right k o reel combination but if not comfortable doing so i would use whatever advatage i have to win fight.in this case wrestling and all out power.cant say its the most exciting to watch or even do since grappling for 25 minutes takes alot more outta ya than a 2nd round highlight reel ko
I agree with Big John’s decision to dock Tito the pts, but I still think it was unfortunate that for the most of the fight - Tito dominated and had to walk away with the draw.
I’m not a huge fan of Tito so my opinion is hardly biased - but apart from getting a thumb in the eye and slammed at the end of the fight, Tito owned Rashad.
Tito should have walked away with the ‘W’ in my mind. I’m confident a rematch will be a decision in Tito’s favor, no doubt.
Personally I thnik that TITO deserved the draw, everyone is saying that TITO dominated most of the fight, well he didn’t dominate the stand up, but he did take RASHAD down. If it was the other way round and RASHAD held the cage and TITO didn’t we amy be saying that RASHAD dominted and TITO should of lost. Anyway holla back and let me know what you think.
Tito was warned if held again a point would be taken away, and it was. I think that was pretty straight forward. I have never been a fan of Tito’s (although he did make himself good to people who haven’t seen him before on the TUF program), but he did dominate the fight without a doubt. Rashad really needs to cut out that dancing around and doing nothing. He was losing the fight and he was still dancing around. I think he was definately intimidated. He better sort his act out next time he will not be so lucky.
I just bought TUF season 3 and going into it I really didn’t like Tito Ortiz, there’s just something about a guy who promotes himself by talking trash about established athletes in order for people to remember his name that I find cheap. It reminded me of all the up and coming rappers who talk smack about famous hip-hop artists on their albums just to gain a bit of publicity. Anyway, Tito did prove himself to be a great MMA fighter in the ring so the trash talking wasn’t even worth it in my view, it just made him look unprofesional. In TUF3 Tito won me over by his level-headedness and sound couching, which really surprised the hell out of me. (Sigh) and then this crap happened. Tito made over 200 thousand dollars to tarnish what should have been a great fight for the MMA history book by his cheating and giving an all round lack-luster performance. I’ve learned to look past his pre-fight trash talk (and it was bad: WTF- he called Rashad a nappy headed hoe) because he always made up for it with his in ring performance. This time his out of ring unsportsmanship seeped into the ring and that draw was the result of it. Lots of kudos to Big John for calling a spade a spade and dishing out a very sound decision with the point deduction, maybe that will wake Tito the hell up and cause him to focus more on what’s going on IN the octagon.
Big John sounds like he knows his ISHT, lol. He is probably the best there is out there as far as MMM referees…..
sorry meant MMA referees…
You cant argue with that. Anyone who thought the sherk fight needed to be stood up or was boring doesnt know jack about mma. The tito call was totally justified. He was holding on to the fence for dear life on multiple occasions. Big John is the best ref in MMA and probly could submit anyone that posts on this site.
Well spoken, very smart man. Did he ever fight in MMA or what is his story?? Former football player or something. The Tito point deduction was totally justified.
Yea, I definitely agree that Tito should’ve been penalized. It was the right call my Big John.
He’s also right about Sherk. He couldn’t stand them up because Sherk was always in a dominant position. I just wish that Sherk had some more finishing power. Hermes is tough but this is the second 25 minute fight in a row for Sherk.
In my opinion, Sherk was a lot more active in the Florian fight. I think that could’ve been because Sherk was worried about his cut.
I don’t think Sherk can keep going like this. Everyone knows that longer fights produce more injuries. If every fight Sherk is in lasts 25 minutes, then one has to wonder what kind’ve toll that will take in the long run
I hope Big John writes an autobiography, I would love to read it. He really is the tops in the MMA world.
This is great to hear…… we need more interviews like this
[quote comment=”101701″]You cant argue with that. Anyone who thought the sherk fight needed to be stood up or was boring doesnt know jack about mma. .[/quote]
I have to disagree only on the boring note.
Yeah, no one can really justify standing it up. Sherk worked for better position the whole time. However, if you can gain mount over and over again, you should be able to finish. You could see by the 4th round that Hermes’ spirit was broken. He was done and he knew it, but all he had to do was hang in there because Sherk wasn’t actually going balls to the wall (not even close) offensively.
I hope BJ Penn takes on Sherk next and wins. Lightweight title fights will be boring as long as sherk reigns.
[quote comment=”101704″]Well spoken, very smart man. Did he ever fight in MMA or what is his story?? Former football player or something. The Tito point deduction was totally justified.[/quote]
He was a sparring partner with the gracies in the early 90’s from what I know. He got into officating and the rest is history. He worked/works with the LAPD training self defense and stuff. He is a black belt in BJJ. Kinda scary huh? He has his own gym up in LA. It looks really nice. You can go train with him if you got the $$. He’s a legend in the MMA world. I think he should go to the hall fame personally. Maybe not now seeing how theres only 4 people in there. But later on, I think its justified.
Im tired of people saying that others dont know anything about MMA just becuase they booed someone for their ground work. Boxing has been around for over a hundred years and people who know the sport still boo a fight. Its becuase people want to see action. Its called ultimate fighting not ultimate wrestling. I appreciate a good ground game, but you cant call some one a well rounded mixed martial artist if they can only beat someone becuase they can pin them down because they are stronger. I think Sherk is excellent at conditioning, power and ground work but he makes for a boring fight. Anderson Silva and GSP are best examples of what MMA is supposed to be. And all of their fights are the best.
Arianny uploaded this? The ring girl?
I have to disagree only on the boring note.
Yeah, no one can really justify standing it up. Sherk worked for better position the whole time. However, if you can gain mount over and over again, you should be able to finish. You could see by the 4th round that Hermes’ spirit was broken. He was done and he knew it, but all he had to do was hang in there because Sherk wasn’t actually going balls to the wall (not even close) offensively.
I got to disagree wit u .. it wasnt boring.. at all. and how is a ref goin to see that a fighters “spirit is broken” .. u got to be kidding me, right ? And sherk maybe not goin to balls to the wall cause in his mind he won the 1st three rounds and if he can keep franca on the ground in side mount or full mount, he would keep his title and dominate the fight.. its called stratergy.. and it was awesome
that was fidel cashflow comment.. that i tried to copy.. no quotes though my bad
[quote post=”2708″]Its called ultimate fighting not ultimate wrestling[/quote]
Actually it’s called Mixed Martial Arts.
[quote post=”2708″]I hope Big John writes an autobiography, I would love to read it. He really is the tops in the MMA world. [/quote]
that would be pimp. I would totally read that. And I agree with Johns decision….. however I think he should have kicked tito in the face for grabbing the fence. lol
I don’t understand why he had to clean Evan’s mouthpiece
I agree that the Sherk fight was a good fight but a boring fight but what about Franca. He locked in like two guillotines and tried a couple of knee bars from the bottom but thats all he did from the bottom. And I’m pretty sure he said before the fight “if he takes me down he’s gonna do me a favor because I will sweep him then submit him” Maybe I’m wrong but I’m pretty sure thats what he said.
I agree with “I did a mistake”. I personally cannot stand these idiots in the stands that boo because the fight goes to the ground, despite the fact that Sherk was completely dominating Franca, passing his guard at will and taking knees to the head like it was a pillow fight. Nobody should be booing regardless of the fight. These guys are busting their asses, putting their health and well-being on the line to entertain you(us)the fans and you pay them back by booing them. American fans could learn alot from the Japanese fans in regards to respecting the martial arts. There should be a rule at UFC fights that is someone is caught booing, then you pick their ass up and throw them in the cage and we’ll see how they do Mr. Toughguy.
Would have liked to hear Big John’s take on the Nog/Herring 1st round non-stoppage.
Actually it is called Ultimate Fighting. You’re on a Ultimate Fighting website. Hence UFCMANIA.com You get it. Or do you need further explanation.
[quote post=”2708″]Actually it is called Ultimate Fighting. You’re on a Ultimate Fighting website. Hence UFCMANIA.com You get it. Or do you need further explanation.[/quote]
No Gus, YOU ARE WRONG, and Greco888 is correct. It is the sport of Mixed Martial Arts, hence the term, MMA. Do you call baseball the sport of “Major Leagues” or do you call it baseball? MLB is a league where athletes play the sport of baseball. The Utlimate Fighting Championships is a league of athletes who compete in the sport of Mixed Martial Arts.
Any more questions????
I wish they would show more videos of Big John explaining the rules cause some times its kind of hard to explain to noobs why the ref does one thing but not the other.
The Huntington Beach Balloon for sure needed a point taken away, I hope to see this more often like when Fedor put his arm over the fence when he fought Lindland.
Sherk was raping Franca and was slower than most people are used to bhut the people I talk about are noobs or just causal fans who haven’t seen a good Sakuraba fight.
Gus WTF are you on? Did you and Ricco Rodriguez get together and have a Scarface party? Its called MMA.
[quote post=”2708″]Its called ultimate fighting not ultimate wrestling
Actually it’s called Mixed Martial Arts. [/quote]
[quote post=”2708″]Actually it is called Ultimate Fighting. You’re on a Ultimate Fighting website. Hence UFCMANIA.com You get it. Or do you need further explanation. [/quote]
Actually, you are 100% WRONG Gus, and Grecco888 is correct. The UFC is a league for the sport of Mixed Martial Arts, hence the term, MMA. Calling the sport Ultimate Fighting, is using the wrong terminololgy. When you watch BoDog fight, what are the 2 fighters doing, Ultimate Fighting, or Bodogging it? Wrong, they are competing in the sport of Mixed Martial Arts. Also, this site is about the UFC, not UF. Do you call MLB baseball the sport of “Major League”? Probably not, its the sport of baseball, and the league is MLB - Major League Baseball.
Do you now understand why everyone is laughing at your comment, or do you need further explanation????
LOve BJM…always puts it down. Explained why it happened from start to finish without s break or doubt in his decision. It was a point that needed to be deducted. Tito clearly used the fence to his advantage. Do I think it was little premature? maybe alittle. But I’m glad BJM stood his ground as a profeesional.
[quote comment=”101750″]
I got to disagree wit u .. it wasnt boring.. at all. and how is a ref goin to see that a fighters “spirit is broken” .. u got to be kidding me, right ? And sherk maybe not goin to balls to the wall cause in his mind he won the 1st three rounds and if he can keep franca on the ground in side mount or full mount, he would keep his title and dominate the fight.. its called stratergy.. and it was awesome[/quote]
It’s not for the ref to see that the challenger’s “spirit is broken”, it’s for sherk to see. Kind of like Rashad said he felt Tito “break” when he took him down and threw elbows.
Especially when youre dominating a fight you should try to finish. He gained mount and side control at will. why not? franca was posing almost no threat.
BTW this is kind of off topic but are Big John and JT related?
[quote comment=”101850″][quote comment=”101750″
It’s not for the ref to see that the challenger’s “spirit is broken”, it’s for sherk to see. Kind of like Rashad said he felt Tito “break” when he took him down and threw elbows.
Especially when youre dominating a fight you should try to finish. He gained mount and side control at will. why not? franca was posing almost no threat.[/quote]
’cause of different fighting styles.. sherk couldve of been cautious for goin for a submission.. if he missed, could put him in a bad spot.. he dominated.. it was awesome, hes the real deal at 155.. he did wat he had to do to win.. and keep the belt.. isnt that wat ur suppose to do.. not always entertain.
If you fight boring often enough and don’t entertain, you become Tim Sylvia.
I expect this kind of stuff from jake obrien but a championship fight should be on a different level.
[quote comment=”101784″]Actually it is called Ultimate Fighting. You’re on a Ultimate Fighting website. Hence UFCMANIA.com You get it. Or do you need further explanation.[/quote]
It is not called ultimate fighting. People who refer to mma as ultimate fighting are the same idiots who held the sport back so long. Mixed Martial Arts is the correct term for the sport, but they fight for the ufc.
And the Sherk fight was boring. I don’t care if technique was oozing out of Sherk’s ass, he still fought a boring fight. Was I impressed by his guard passing? Hell ya. Was I impressed by his ability to recover from some good needs? Again, yes. But after he gained dominant position, he did NOTHING. He threw little rabid punches and elbows for the sake of scoring points and keeping position. He never gave a remote effort to finish the fight, hence it was boring.
By that logic, if I get pissed off watching the Cowboys, and say their offense is being too conservative, I’m not a football fan. That elitist attitude is annoying
but it wasnt boring at all.. it wasnt a jake obrien.. he was working on the ground.. obrien just laid on top of herring.. tim sylvia just stood up and sprawled. sherk was aggressive.. totally dominated.. he ate some big knees.. did the ground and pound.. great shots to get franca down.. by no means was this fight like the obrien or any syliva fights..
There’s a big difference between a good ground game that involves going for submissions and good GNP but laying on someone just because you are in a dominant position doesn’t make you a star. A hockey player that has alot of chances to score but never finishes never becomes MVP. What’s the difference between what Sherk did on Saturday then what Sylvia did against Monson?
The comparison above was referring to Sylvia “Fighting not to lose” similar to Sherk not finishing Franca from the mount.
did u not see when sherk got franca in mount that he got sweeped a couple of times.. maybe caution played a factor.. just maybe. ur hockey comparion is funny because ur right if u dont score goals u wont be an mvp.. but sherk is already the champ.. so i dont know where ur goin wit that.
Being a champ and being a legend (what I meant) are two different things. People are always going to boo what they don’t appreciate.
I think you can tell the people who have actually been in a fight from the comments on this website. If you are ragging on Sherk because you were bored by his fight I automatically put you in the armchair fighter catagory. The guy got rocked by a serious flying knee to start almost every round. The fact that he maintained his composure and continued to dominate the fight say’s a lot about his fortitude. Sean Sherk’s job is to win fights his way, not yours.
I want Big John to be my best man at my wedding, what a gentleman.. and he knows his shit and is taking xyience to get in better shape. good work big john
hahaa on the front of sports illustrated it said ultimate fighting and not mma but that article was pretty much for noobs anyways, and their the people that call it ultimate fighting. anyways i think sherk-franca was an awesome fight, not one bit boring. i disagree with stand ups in general, if a guy like sean sherk can hold you down for 5 minutes then so be it, it’s part of the game. you don’t sit there and ask for stand ups like heath herring or to get seperated like chuck liddell (when randy had him up against the fence at ufc 57), you find a way out! it’s part of mma.
Big Daddy Jonn u r d man… keep doin what u doin… I think Rashad won that match….. Screw Tito;s big head
Finally watched it. What did Rashad do other than the last few seconds? Tito easily won that fight, but I can’t blame Big John for the deduction, he was warned.
[quote comment=”101970″]I think you can tell the people who have actually been in a fight from the comments on this website. If you are ragging on Sherk because you were bored by his fight I automatically put you in the armchair fighter catagory. The guy got rocked by a serious flying knee to start almost every round. The fact that he maintained his composure and continued to dominate the fight say’s a lot about his fortitude. Sean Sherk’s job is to win fights his way, not yours.[/quote]
Big Nog got blasted with a huge kick in the 1st round. there isn’t a soul that doesn’t remember that one.
Still, once he got his composure back, he was agressive again. he continued to go for takedowns and submissions.
If the lightweight fight was really close, I could see sherk wanting to just outpoint the guy by mashing him into the ground for a while and not letting him back up. Fact is that it wasn’t close, there was no serious threat from the standup other than when he shot in a couple times and ate a knee for his efforts.
Hermes wasn’t really going for any noteworthy submissions off his back nor did he present too much difficulty to out-muscle and take down. That said, I don’t think it would have hurt sherk too badly to try and throw some serious bombs when in a dominant position. even if he got swept, he would have got hermes right back where he was.
THe Sherk fight wasn’t bad but it wasn’t a great fight by any means. The only one who landed any really powerful shots was Hermes, and add in his near choke of Sherk in the first round and heck I was more entertained by what he did than the winner.
When the highlights of the fight are all from the losing fighter, your winning performance wasn’t very exciting.
[quote comment=”102384″]Finally watched it. What did Rashad do other than the last few seconds? Tito easily won that fight, but I can’t blame Big John for the deduction, he was warned.[/quote]
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Totally agree, he did nothing for the first 10 minutes except cut Tito’s eye from a thumb nail and dance around like a fool. Final round Tito looked exhausted and Rashad still did nothing until the last 10 - 20 seconds of a fight where he took Tito down and landed about 4 - 5 punches/hammerfists.
Tito was never in any trouble at all and basically was the aggressor the entire fight.
Point deduction was BS IMO, everyfighter grabs the cage to avoid the take down. Chuck Lidell anyone! And the allegid 7 or 8 grabs, what channel was that on. Where the point was taken away if was not a “slam” and the takedown occurred anyway, Tito grabbed it on the way down.
But whatever, got to respect the refs call.
But the Judges, not sure what they were thinking about.
And Rashad, thinking he won the fight and broke his spirit. I sense another failed drug test coming……….
the audio is down on my computer for some reason..but regardless what big jon says the point of watching a mma bout is to determine who wins..yea theres rules you must follow.aftter point was deducted evans still scores the takedown and even then judges would agree that night if not for point deduction tito would have earned a decision
the audio is down on my computer for some reason..regardless what big jon says the purpose of watching an mma bout is to determine who wins.after the point deduction evans still scores the takedowm.. judges agreed that night if not for point deduction tito would have earned the decision
Big john is the man, I wish he could ref all fights. I too would have liked to hear his take on the Nog/Herring fight.
The Sherk/Franca fight was in no way boring. Yeah Sherk should have finished, but if any of you have ever rolled with a top caliber fighter and been treated like Sherk treated Franca, then you can easily understand how awesome Sherk’s performance was. It’s a really discouraging feeling when someone is that good and you have no answers.
Big Head/Little Head fight, now that fight was boring. I agree with the point deduction. I agree Little Head did do nothing except in the last 20 seconds but if he had been able to take Big Head down he might have been able to do something worthy of winning the fight but 2 separate times the for sure takedown was stopped with a fence grab. Point deduction = justified. Any which way though that fight was boring as hell and I really could care less if I see either of them in the UFC again. They offer no threat to the title. Therefore they are undercards in my book.
….and how about the Ken-Flo domination? Kenny is the real deal and I wont be surprised to see him make a run at the winner of Sherk/Penn.
normally i would say in mma specially each fight is different so are each fighter.diff strenghts diff weaknesses diff training.most concentrate on one thing theyre really good at.sherk/franca sherk a powerfull explosive huge for 155 wrestler that can strike just overwhelmed hermes..but not to say he completey dominated cuz to do so u would need to finish.hermes is not known for being extremely athletic and obvously sherk is very.in a fight u do what u feel most cofortable without risking getting into a bad situation.all depends on your opponent with that said its mma i rather finish an opponent with a lazy left overhand right k o reel combination but if not comfortable doing so i would use whatever advatage i have to win fight.in this case wrestling and all out power.cant say its the most exciting to watch or even do since grappling for 25 minutes takes alot more outta ya than a 2nd round highlight reel ko
I agree with Big John’s decision to dock Tito the pts, but I still think it was unfortunate that for the most of the fight - Tito dominated and had to walk away with the draw.
I’m not a huge fan of Tito so my opinion is hardly biased - but apart from getting a thumb in the eye and slammed at the end of the fight, Tito owned Rashad.
Tito should have walked away with the ‘W’ in my mind. I’m confident a rematch will be a decision in Tito’s favor, no doubt.
When the highlights of the fight are all from the losing fighter, your winning performance wasn’t very exciting.
verry well put
great post
GUYS IF RASHAD TOOK TITO DOWN IN THE 2ND ROUND WHAT WOULD OF HAPPENED? PLEASE LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU THINK!
Personally I thnik that TITO deserved the draw, everyone is saying that TITO dominated most of the fight, well he didn’t dominate the stand up, but he did take RASHAD down. If it was the other way round and RASHAD held the cage and TITO didn’t we amy be saying that RASHAD dominted and TITO should of lost. Anyway holla back and let me know what you think.
Tito was warned if held again a point would be taken away, and it was. I think that was pretty straight forward. I have never been a fan of Tito’s (although he did make himself good to people who haven’t seen him before on the TUF program), but he did dominate the fight without a doubt. Rashad really needs to cut out that dancing around and doing nothing. He was losing the fight and he was still dancing around. I think he was definately intimidated. He better sort his act out next time he will not be so lucky.
I just bought TUF season 3 and going into it I really didn’t like Tito Ortiz, there’s just something about a guy who promotes himself by talking trash about established athletes in order for people to remember his name that I find cheap. It reminded me of all the up and coming rappers who talk smack about famous hip-hop artists on their albums just to gain a bit of publicity. Anyway, Tito did prove himself to be a great MMA fighter in the ring so the trash talking wasn’t even worth it in my view, it just made him look unprofesional. In TUF3 Tito won me over by his level-headedness and sound couching, which really surprised the hell out of me. (Sigh) and then this crap happened. Tito made over 200 thousand dollars to tarnish what should have been a great fight for the MMA history book by his cheating and giving an all round lack-luster performance. I’ve learned to look past his pre-fight trash talk (and it was bad: WTF- he called Rashad a nappy headed hoe) because he always made up for it with his in ring performance. This time his out of ring unsportsmanship seeped into the ring and that draw was the result of it. Lots of kudos to Big John for calling a spade a spade and dishing out a very sound decision with the point deduction, maybe that will wake Tito the hell up and cause him to focus more on what’s going on IN the octagon.
weel, they do say hes the best in the buisness
[quote comment=”101754″][quote post=”2708″]Its called ultimate fighting not ultimate wrestling[/quote]
Actually it’s called Mixed Martial Arts.[/quote]
that’s exactly right MMA