silva is gonna have a mental edge over rich for sure, but i think rich will fight smart and do what he can to make the fight last as long as possible, probably by keeping his distance and picking his shots, its a 5 round fight and i think the longer it goes the more chance rich could have of landing a big bomb, marquardt was a little too aggressive and it cost him, silva is too good for that, rich needs to fight defensive and counter punch a lot, but still i don’t know how good his chances are, even with the hometown crowd behind him… rich is pretty much a striker and at least with marquardt and lutter those guys had a chance on the ground, silva really out matches rich everywhere in the octagon, its probably gonna be a tough night for rich…

rich might as well tap out now. lol

Rich has been lookin good in his last few fights but i think Silva will TKO him again probably in the 2nd or 3rd rounds this timee..

Rich looks like he is going to start growing chicken wings out of his back and gonna start running like that dude in epic movie!

I like rich, but he is going to get ktfo.

silvas in his head ill bet my house franklin wanted marquardt to win haha so he didnt have to fight silva….lol silva by ktfo………..again!!

[quote comment="100882"]Rich has been lookin good in his last few fights but i think Silva will TKO him again probably in the 2nd or 3rd rounds this timee..[/quote]

On the contrary, I think franklin is a notch or 2 below is true form. I think silva will take this one too.

Silva is too much for Franklin.. No chance in hell!

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I think Silva wins by early KO again. Not saying Rich isn’t top caliber, but I think Silva is just that good. I think the only middleweights I would favor over Silva right now are Henderson and Filho. Henderson is at lhw now, and Filho in the WEC so I don’t see him losing that belt any time soon

Franklin’s gonna take it this time.

silva’s ju-jitsu is better then franklin’s so rich cannot even take this fight to the ground like nathan marquardt planned.

he is gonna be destroyed on his feet and on the ground,
this is gonna be very tough for him.

Franklin wont make it out of the first round

I hope Rick wins but the way Silva is fighting I can not see it happening. It is going to be the same as Tito v Chuck 2 .. get a little further but same result in the end.

Goodluck Rich .. will be barracking for ya and hoping for miracle.

Silva by a landslide. Obviously. Franklins good but not Silva good.

alright apparently u guys still don’t get it…..dana white =FORMER BOxing promoter……boxing =fixed fights……ferritas=casino owners…..asino owners=people who make living off of taking peoples money off of bets…..so if certain figts in the ufc lately seem like upsets …….they r anyting but….they just these criminals. ufc these days is nothing more than a glorified wwe.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

if u delete my commets I’m never buying any ufc product again.actually after that last ppv I’mnot buying anything anyway hahahaha.tito is going to be the new shamrock.
wow way to score a draw tito nice boxing!!!!!

Anderson Silva ain’t worried about Franklin’s hometown of Cincinnati, Ohio. They’re face off at the U.S. Bank Arena on October. Silva knows those fans love Frankin because that his home. Silva loves to hear those boo him so much! He ain’t worried about those fans. Doesn’t bother him. Silva gonna to be ready to fly knee him in his face KO in round one. He gonna to steal to win at his hometown very soon. He will own his ass twice time.

SILVA’S FRANKIN KILLER!

I think Franklin will show much better but still lose. When watching Silva I thought that he was just a striker (I’m new to the sport give me a break) but that switch he made on Nate was cool.

The big question is – Is Rich actually gonna fight? He got totally bitched the first fight… showed no training, and no skill.

Silva is totally beatable… see Lutter. But he also showed sat night and against Lutter that he has no problem coming back and winning a fight. He has the tools to win a fight on any platform, but so does the traditional Ace…

After UFC 72 Rich said in the post fight press conference that he’d rather Silva won so he could get a rematch for the title or something along those lines anyway. A lot of people say this is BS and that he wanted Nate to win. I think he wanted a competitive match with Silva winning (maybe going the distance) and with Nate perhaps exposing some holes in Anderson’s game.

Something to give him some hope and encourage him but how does he come up with a gameplan now! Maybe he was taken aback by how easily Silva dispatched him. It just confirmed that Silva could disfigure Rich again in similar fashion.

I am excited, I live in Cincinnati.
Rich wins baby!

If anything being in his hometown will just add more pressure.

I’m saying Silva by whatever he wants.

Rich is not going to underestimate Silva this time. He’ll be healthier and will come in great shape. He will fight a much smarter fight. There is no doubt that Rich and his team will come up with a plan to nuetralize Silva. Also, Rich will have the Militich Fighting Systems team helping to devise a game plan, as well. Rich will regain his title this October.

[quote post="2685"]rich needs to fight defensive and counter punch a lot[/quote]

I don’t think that will work because Silva is not a reckless striker. He’s a counter-puncher himself. Rich’s only chance is to land a big shot and finish him. Silva’s muay thai and BJJ is superior to Rich’s at this point. Did y’all see how Silva avoided that huge elbow in his guard? Sweet.

Different type of fight (Franklin will seek the take-down I think) but the same result.

Get the plastic surgeon (nose doctor) ringside… Cheers!! Silva looked plain nasty again on Saturday night…

I think I hated Anderson after the Rich fight because it was to me a fluke. NEVERMIND after seeing anderson these past fights, I dont see ANYONE beating him which sucks because I hate him!

The Late Great Nate is no Ace. Those pics tell me nothing. RF wants to avenge his loss to Silva and was hoping for a Silva win. Wiping his ass with Marquardt and then defending against Silva would have worked, but he would rather get Silva as the champ.
Silva has never been KO’d or (T)KO’d. He has been submitted twice, outpointed once and DQ’d once. RF by sub? He can win by armbar, but against Silva…doubtful. His best move would be to run, stay outside and counterpunch…force Silva to initiate the action. I could see Silva smashing RF every time they meet…anyone say “Franklinstein”?

I hope Rich gets him this time.

Personally I think Rich will be much better this time around. I could see Rich possibly winning this fight and becoming Champ again. He looked a lil nervous in the crowd

I never gave Nate much of a chance in this fight. I was hoping he would try to stand up with Silva because I wanted to see the KO. Nate is good but he is nowhere near what Rich Franklin is with standup. With the exception of Anderson Silva, who is by far the best MMA striker Ive ever seen, Rich Franklin and Mike Swick are the next to best strikers in the division. Since Mike has dropped to 170, Franklin is the best striker in the division other than Silva.

Rich can win in a rematch, but its unlikely. He will need so stay out of the clinch and avoid the jab, as well as be very active with his jab.

Did you guys notice how every single jab that Silva threw rocked NM? That is pinpoint accuracy! Also he is very good at timing his punches at the correct range so it hits a few inches before the elbow snaps strait, for maximum damage. Thats like Bruce Lee shit, except he could do it at 1 inch away.

[quote comment="101113"]I never gave Nate much of a chance in this fight. I was hoping he would try to stand up with Silva because I wanted to see the KO. Nate is good but he is nowhere near what Rich Franklin is with standup. With the exception of Anderson Silva, who is by far the best MMA striker Ive ever seen, Rich Franklin and Mike Swick are the next to best strikers in the division. Since Mike has dropped to 170, Franklin is the best striker in the division other than Silva.

Rich can win in a rematch, but its unlikely. He will need so stay out of the clinch and avoid the jab, as well as be very active with his jab.

Did you guys notice how every single jab that Silva threw rocked NM? That is pinpoint accuracy! Also he is very good at timing his punches at the correct range so it hits a few inches before the elbow snaps strait, for maximum damage. Thats like Bruce Lee shit, except he could do it at 1 inch away.[/quote]
Im totally with you. I think Rich has the talent, but his head is off track. The only thing that Franklin has over Silva is strength… if he can control Silva on the ground, show him out UFC fighters GNP, he might be able to take Silva. But if its on the feet – Silva. If Franklin cant control Silva on the ground – Silva.

I dont think Silva is THAT good, I just dont see many 185 fighters in the UFC good enough to beat him. If he was 205 or 170, medicore at best.

[quote comment="100988"]if u delete my commets I’m never buying any ufc product again.actually after that last ppv I’mnot buying anything anyway hahahaha.tito is going to be the new shamrock.
wow way to score a draw tito nice boxing!!!!![/quote]
Do you volunteer for taser testing?
Come on man, show some class…

Silva KO over Franklin again I think. 1st round again too.

Hi Luppers.

I know that striking is only one aspect of MMA, but in my opinion there is no better than Silva. Hes got the largest arsenal of strikes, all with incredible knockout power. (strait Jabs, uppercuts, elbows, Leg Kicks, High Kicks, Body Kicks, Knees from every possible direction) Not to mention he is great at a distance or in the clinch, even Franklin admitted that Silva was too strong for him in the clinch. To make it even worse, his footwork is also second to none (though not the greatest for defending the takedown).

Against Chris Leben he had nearly 100 percent accuracy with his strikes. Against Nate, every single jab landed and rocked him. I saw his knees go limp for a second every time he was hit with a JAB!

Its all in the way he punches, hes been doing it for so long that he doesn’t even have to think about it! Silva is proof that you don’t have to punch somebody hard with wild shots to knock them out, you just need to hit them the right way. Silva is the complete package with striking, he has more weapons than anybody else. Speed, Power, and Finesse.

Of course, just knowing how to strike wont get you too far in MMA. Sure he has BJJ too, but Silvas biggest weakness is wrestling. Id love to see him fight a solid wrestler like Hughes(he has mentioned moving to 185). A good wrestler like that would dominate him. Unfortunately for Rich, hes not much of a wrestler either. Rich will have to out strike Silva to win.

By saying you don’t think hes that good I was presuming you meant at striking and correct me if Im wrong. Im curious though, weight class aside who do you think is better at striking and why?

Rag, no no no, I didnt say Silva wasnt a good striker… he is definitely the best in his weight class, I just however think that the 185 class is VERY weak right now… just as weak as the HW class was 1 year ago. Move Anderson to 170, Kos, GSP, Fitch would all give him a hell of a shot on the feet…
Im not saying that Silva isnt good, but he isnt one of the top fighters in the world. Hence my point of saying if he was 15lbs heavier, or lighter… he wouldnt be holding a belt.

Im with Rich Franklin all the way on this one. Here is the thing however. I figured Nate Marquardt to win the title and it didnt happen. I assumed that Nate being physically more imposing, and good on the ground would help him out big time. I am now 110% concerned for Franklin’s well being. I mean on paper one would think Rich has a great shot, but after seeing Silva again win pretty convincingly, and the still shots of his expression when the cameras were on him … Sorry to say Rich but if I were betting it wouldn’t be on you.

Still wanna see someone knock Silva’s block off !!!

Kevin “cuts” Kelly

[quote post="2685"]Im not saying that Silva isnt good, but he isnt one of the top fighters in the world.[/quote]

Name 5 people better at 185.

Luppers,

Sorry for the miss understanding. I do agree with you there, if Silva dropped to 170 or went to 205 he would not be holding a belt, but for different reasons. The answer to Silva is wrestling in my opinion, its a huge weakness in his game. Give Silva a Hughes or Kos. He would get dominated on the ground. I disagree with you about him ever getting dominated on the feet anytime soon. GSP is great but he is nowhere near what Silva is standing, he has a better chance of winning with his wrestling. As for Kos, he had an impressive showing against a less than average striker in Sanchez, Im not willing to say that hes learned to be a great striker yet, lets see how he does against GSP next month eh? If he pulls a Matt Serra next month I will be officially impressed.

Ive forseen the future and Rich”ace”Franklin wins this fight by KO in the 1st Rd lol. I think thats pretty much the only way Rich can beat Silva. He’s gotta go all out no fear and pretty much just crush Silva’s face. If he doesnt or cant do that its gonna end like their first fight or by a Silva submission. Im from Ohio and there are alot of MMA fans here so it doesnt surprise me they had a good turnout for 68. Oh and Rich has gotta stay away from the damn Thai clinch and those viscious knee’s. And on the above statement Kos had an unimpressive showing against Sanchez. And Sanchez has average if not better than average striking. If there was a Kos,Sanchez rematch i think it would be a whole different fight. But anyways Silva is gonna be damn lethal no matter what weight class you put him in up or down. He really doesnt have a weakness in his game per say. Maybe wrestling but the way he fights it would be hard to utilize any wrestling skills against him.He can be beat i think you just gotta have a fighter that can overtake him with pure power and not get ko’ed in the process.

[quote comment="101172"][quote post="2685"]Im not saying that Silva isnt good, but he isnt one of the top fighters in the world.[/quote]

Name 5 people better at 185.[/quote]

Going to that, everybody thinks that ANDERSON is UNBEATABLE, but to tell you all the truth he is.
I can name about 6 fighters at 185 that can beat Anderson Silva.

Rich Franklin can beat him, Rich Franklin can beat anybody in that division, he wont take Anderson lightly this time, he has seen what Anderson can do and Rich will be more focused this time.

Evan Tanner who is a very dangerous fighter overall, has a great shot to beat Anderson.

If Travis Lutter could maintain weight, I gaurentee you he would make Anderson Silva tap.

Dave Terrell if he dropped weight back to 185 he could beat Anderson Silva via submission or even striking.

Filho could be Silva.

Dan Henderson could knock out Silva with that right hand.

Matt Lindland would get Anderson down and make him tap.

thats 6 fighters that I think that could beat Silva, heck even throw Denis Kang in that mix, I think that Kang could beat Silva too.

People are putting Silva as this all mighty god, and they did the same to Chuck Liddell, its only a matter of time till Silva gets knocked out or submitted.

[quote comment="101172"][quote post="2685"]Im not saying that Silva isnt good, but he isnt one of the top fighters in the world.[/quote]

Name 5 people better at 185.[/quote]
Thats what I said, 185 is notoriously weak… Shit Im lucky if I could think of 5…

[quote comment="101223"][quote comment="101172"][quote post="2685"]Im not saying that Silva isnt good, but he isnt one of the top fighters in the world.[/quote]

Name 5 people better at 185.[/quote]

Rich Franklin can beat him, Rich Franklin can beat anybody in that division, he wont take Anderson lightly this time, he has seen what Anderson can do and Rich will be more focused this time.

Evan Tanner who is a very dangerous fighter overall, has a great shot to beat Anderson.

If Travis Lutter could maintain weight, I gaurentee you he would make Anderson Silva tap.

Dave Terrell if he dropped weight back to 185 he could beat Anderson Silva via submission or even striking.

Filho could be Silva.

Dan Henderson could knock out Silva with that right hand.

Matt Lindland would get Anderson down and make him tap.

thats 6 fighters that I think that could beat Silva, heck even throw Denis Kang in that mix, I think that Kang could beat Silva too.
[/quote]

Rich Franklin – From the first match, it’s obvious he doesn’t have the striking skills to beat Silva that way (unless he does with with a lucky punch, which is a given in ANY fight).

Evan Tanner – Not who he used to be; he’s a joke now. Weaker striking than Franklin even, and any attempts at ground-and-pound would result in a quick triangle or armbar.

Travis Lutter – People overhype his JJ ability. Silva’s knowledge of the ground game is at the very least on par with Lutter, but he has the physical advantage on the ground, top or bottom, just because he’s so long-limbed and naturally bigger than Lutter. All I hear from Travis Lutter is talk; I have watched every video of him I can find and nothing impresses me.

Dave Terrell – Same thing as Tanner.

Dan Henderson – Just because he managed to beat Wanderlei with a stray hook means nothing. Anderson is much more agile and technical in his stand-up. Henderson engaging in a striking match with him would result in a 1st or 2nd round knockout. If Henderson could take it to the ground at will, though, but I doubt he can come close to submitting Silva. Ground and pound would be useless, since Silva is a master of the body-triangle from the guard. No acceleration on punches = no knockout.

Paulo Filho – Can’t strike with Silva, but certainly would give him trouble on the ground. He probably would be the most difficult opponent, having a huge build compared to Silva (similar to Franklin’s, except his BJJ skills make him much more devastating on the ground). He might be able to pull off a submission (kimura from the top maybe).

Denis Kang – Probably the only MW who could stand with Silva in a striking bout. Anderson would know this, though, and probably opt for an easy take-down/submission, or TKO from the top.

Matt Lindland – Assuming he didn’t get kicked in the face within the first two minutes due to sloppy stand-up, I estimate that he would try to get Silva in the clinch and seek a takedown from there. However, I feel as though that would work to his disadvantage (Silva being so devastating in the clinch, ask Rich’s nose). He might not get knocked out there, but he would be weakened and even if he managed to get on top of Silva, he wouldn’t be able to submit him. His ground skills have deteriorated significantly in the past couple years, and even with his wrestling he stands little chance. MAYBE he could sneak by with a decision win but I doubt it.

[quote comment="101279"][quote comment="101223"][quote comment="101172"][quote post="2685"]Im not saying that Silva isnt good, but he isnt one of the top fighters in the world.[/quote]

Name 5 people better at 185.[/quote]

Rich Franklin can beat him, Rich Franklin can beat anybody in that division, he wont take Anderson lightly this time, he has seen what Anderson can do and Rich will be more focused this time.

Evan Tanner who is a very dangerous fighter overall, has a great shot to beat Anderson.

If Travis Lutter could maintain weight, I gaurentee you he would make Anderson Silva tap.

Dave Terrell if he dropped weight back to 185 he could beat Anderson Silva via submission or even striking.

Filho could be Silva.

Dan Henderson could knock out Silva with that right hand.

Matt Lindland would get Anderson down and make him tap.

thats 6 fighters that I think that could beat Silva, heck even throw Denis Kang in that mix, I think that Kang could beat Silva too.
[/quote]

Rich Franklin – From the first match, it’s obvious he doesn’t have the striking skills to beat Silva that way (unless he does with with a lucky punch, which is a given in ANY fight).

Travis Lutter – People overhype his JJ ability. Silva’s knowledge of the ground game is at the very least on par with Lutter, but he has the physical advantage on the ground, top or bottom, just because he’s so long-limbed and naturally bigger than Lutter. All I hear from Travis Lutter is talk; I have watched every video of him I can find and nothing impresses me.

[/quote]

I agree with alot of what you said aotu the negative stuff about the fighters when they match-up against Silva, but still they could put Silva through alot of trouble.
Now to the two points above.

Travis Lutter has the best BJJ in that division, he could literally make people submit from crazy positions, and he is a big guy. I honestly think that if Lutter came in healthy and came in at the correct weight, I think he would have made Silva tapped.

Rich Franklin was not comfrontable against Silva the first time. I think since Franklin has seen Silva multiple times I think Rich will find a hole in the game of Silva and he will take him out.

I think everybody is underestimating Rich Franklin it seems like ever since he lost to Silva people think that he will never be able to beat him. But that is not true. Everybody is putting Silva on this high pedistool and people think he can not be stopped, but its not true. Silva is hands down one of the best MW right now, but in about 4 months, he will not be champion. Rich Franklin WILL be champion then we will see a Henderson/Franklin showdown.

For the record, I never liked Rich Franklin or thought he was anything above a b-level fighter. Additionally, I think that Silva *IS* beatable and *WILL* be beaten eventually. It’s the nature of the sport. But on paper, he is the best fighter at 185 and with his excellent striking and ground game (offensively and defensively) I don’t see him being beaten by anyone (besides a “lucky” T/KO).

That said, Franklin doesn’t have what it takes to exploit the few weaknesses that Silva has (being overpowered on the ground by someone with strong submission skills and power from the top, AKA Filho).

About Dan Henderson, I don’t see him going down to Middleweight unless he loses at LHW. There’s a lot more glamour involved in fighting in the 205 division, with all the competition that I don’t even need to name.

if you think franklin will beat silva on the rematch then you dont know absolutely anything about mma or fighting in general and you should just never voice your opinion again on a mma forum. if your upset about this comment and have something negative to say about this then i will happily loan a weapon of choice to eliminate yourself from the human gene pool. Silva will never be beaten by Rich

[quote comment="101305"]if you think franklin will beat silva on the rematch then you dont know absolutely anything about mma or fighting in general and you should just never voice your opinion again on a mma forum. if your upset about this comment and have something negative to say about this then i will happily loan a weapon of choice to eliminate yourself from the human gene pool. Silva will never be beaten by Rich[/quote]

While I agree with your general point, the way you expressed it isn’t mature at all. Grow up.

[quote comment="101305"]if you think franklin will beat silva on the rematch then you dont know absolutely anything about mma or fighting in general and you should just never voice your opinion again on a mma forum. if your upset about this comment and have something negative to say about this then i will happily loan a weapon of choice to eliminate yourself from the human gene pool. Silva will never be beaten by Rich[/quote]
Ok… Rookie, I bet you said that to people like myself who said Matt Serra WOULD beat Georges St. Pierre. Rich Franklin is a smart fighter and you have nothing even to back it up with unlike KneeToFace who I respect because he comes out and makes great valid points on why Franklin won’t win, and you just shoot off on the mouth making yourself look stupid.
KneetoFace, you make valid points, but Franklin is def better than a B-Level fighter, Franklin is a great fighter, but once again it is your opinion and I respect it. You make valid points and you know MMA, but I do believe that Franklin will beat Silva because he does have what it takes to defeat Silva, just wait and see.

[quote comment="101300"]For the record, I never liked Rich Franklin or thought he was anything above a b-level fighter.[/quote]
So your theory is just hating on Ace right?[quote comment="101305"]if you think franklin will beat silva on the rematch then you dont know absolutely anything about mma or fighting in general and you should just never voice your opinion again on a mma forum. if your upset about this comment and have something negative to say about this then i will happily loan a weapon of choice to eliminate yourself from the human gene pool. Silva will never be beaten by Rich[/quote]
oh man, you are clever and insightful at the same time! Anyone that can be fully mounted by Travis Lutter (who the other hater in this thread thinks is ‘overrated’) can be beaten by Franklin. Am I saying Franklin will win NO! Im definitely leaving it for the chance of Rich having his head in the right place. If Franklin fights like he has in the passed against players like Louisea, he can beat Silva. Silva has huge holes in his game, but he is on top right now because he is the smartest dummy (best in the weakest class for those of you that are smart enough to use the word eliminate.)

I’m not saying Franklin will win, but wasn’t he coming off an injury and long layoff in the first fight? I just want to see a good fight maybe I’m leaning towards Franklin because these Brazilian guys shooting off at the mouth(Filho). Silva probably will destroy him though.

Franklin has a much better chance to beat silva than serra did against gsp and look what happened. NOBODY is unbeatable, Serra is lame on his feet and caught St.Pierre one of the best strikers in the division, it’s foolish to say Franklin has no chance. Serra had a punchers chance like everyone else and if he only had a 10% chance its still a 10% chance, I’ve beaten much, much worse odds than that at the casino. Franklin has a chance I would say maybe 30% of beating Silva, decent odds I would say. There are so many factors involved in a fight, Franklin does need to be much smarter this fight and have a completely different strategy this time, an give silva`s lethal stand up ability more respect. I really don`t think any middle weight could beat silva standing and banging with him, outside of a punchers chance. Like most have said earlier to beat him, it will be on the ground pounding him out, or submitting him.

KneeToFace, you need to get off Silva’s balls. I’m a Silva fan, but he CAN be beaten. His weaknesses include wrestling and takedown defence. Matt Lindland would beat Silva more likely than not. Lindland held his own against Fedor, and might have fared better had Fedor not held onto the ropes to avoid a takedown. Likely scenario: Lindland would take Silva down, work him on the ground and decision him.

Rich isn’t going to have much of a nose left if he’s going to fight Silva all the tiome.

[quote comment="101332"]I’m not saying Franklin will win, but wasn’t he coming off an injury and long layoff in the first fight? I just want to see a good fight maybe I’m leaning towards Franklin because these Brazilian guys shooting off at the mouth(Filho). Silva probably will destroy him though.[/quote]
Yeah his last fight before UFC 64 was UFC 58 USA vs. Canadaand he got injured against David.

Do you think that silva is unbeatable ? he is a fighter easy to take down , that was proved in the lutter and Marquardt fight,his sprawl ,if he has any , is awful and both nate and lutter were able to take him down almost 9 of 10 tries ,i believe that is a personal weakness of silva ,because his long legs make him more unstable and difficults him to defend against takedown cos his center of gravity his more high and his legs look weak ,and as I think that silva was highly favoured against nate when the fight was stopped when nate was controlling the ground game and the fight was taken back to the stand up level , that was made on purpose to favour silva ,which takes me to other hole in his game , he not only is easy to take to the ground but also he struggles trying to back to his feet ,once he hit the mat he cant stand up again unless the fight is stopped ,and sorry but in the stand up game franklin was connecting more than silva in the first minutes of the round also marquardt was more active on his feet that silva , silva was just there exploding once a time ,as I said his ground game sucks he allways resorts to that triangle with his long legs ,when his is unable to do that he is defendless on the ground.

The only way Rich will win is if submits Anderson, Rich needs to get a Jiu Jitsu Game ASAP, evrytime Anderson has lost he has been submitted and by smaller guys to boot, he’s subseptible to leg locks rear naked chokes and the guillotine if Rich works on these he can submit him. Franklin cant expect to goe toe to toe and pick him apart Anderson is to good for that his muy thai and flying knees will cause to many problems for franklin. I hope franklin wins but he needs to step up his game and start doing alot more on the ground also work on take downs, Sherk style the he will be champion again.

[quote comment="102117"]The only way Rich will win is if submits Anderson, Rich needs to get a Jiu Jitsu Game ASAP, evrytime Anderson has lost he has been submitted and by smaller guys to boot, he’s subseptible to leg locks rear naked chokes and the guillotine if Rich works on these he can submit him. Franklin cant expect to goe toe to toe and pick him apart Anderson is to good for that his muy thai and flying knees will cause to many problems for franklin. I hope franklin wins but he needs to step up his game and start doing alot more on the ground also work on take downs, Sherk style the he will be champion again.[/quote]
Anderson is much better at BJJ now than when he was last submitted, he’s a black belt now, and I doubt this is franlins best route. Wrestling is obviously andersons biggest weakness, but even that in his last fight has improved and I was impressed with his reversal to get Nate down then pound him out. I really think the best way to best anderson is ground and pounding, but from side control like matt hughes does, I think it would take a hughes style fighter to beat anderson, standing with him is suicide he’s too good.

[quote comment="102385"][quote comment="102117"]The only way Rich will win is if submits Anderson, Rich needs to get a Jiu Jitsu Game ASAP, evrytime Anderson has lost he has been submitted and by smaller guys to boot, he’s subseptible to leg locks rear naked chokes and the guillotine if Rich works on these he can submit him. Franklin cant expect to goe toe to toe and pick him apart Anderson is to good for that his muy thai and flying knees will cause to many problems for franklin. I hope franklin wins but he needs to step up his game and start doing alot more on the ground also work on take downs, Sherk style the he will be champion again.[/quote]
Anderson is much better at BJJ now than when he was last submitted, he’s a black belt now, and I doubt this is franlins best route. Wrestling is obviously andersons biggest weakness, but even that in his last fight has improved and I was impressed with his reversal to get Nate down then pound him out. I really think the best way to best anderson is ground and pounding, but from side control like matt hughes does, I think it would take a hughes style fighter to beat anderson, standing with him is suicide he’s too good.[/quote]
You are forgetting the fact that nate was controlling the ground game ,if you watch the first part of the fight , silva was clueless , he was unable to get rid off nate ,marquardt was working for full mount but for some reason which I believe is to favour silva , Maccarthy stopped the fight ,Nate wasnt static or laying on the ground ,and Maccarty was yelling him to “improve” when he was very active and silva was doing nothing ,the only thing silva tried was that weird triangle choke using his long legs , because he was unable to do that he was doing nothing on the ground ,but the guy which was being yelled at to “improve” was Marquardt (!!) ,if the refs continues to protect silva for the franklin -silva fight we never gonna see silva in a dangerous situation on the ground. I believe marquardt should have won.

[quote comment="102117"]The only way Rich will win is if submits Anderson, Rich needs to get a Jiu Jitsu Game ASAP, evrytime Anderson has lost he has been submitted and by smaller guys to boot, he’s subseptible to leg locks rear naked chokes and the guillotine if Rich works on these he can submit him. Franklin cant expect to goe toe to toe and pick him apart Anderson is to good for that his muy thai and flying knees will cause to many problems for franklin. I hope franklin wins but he needs to step up his game and start doing alot more on the ground also work on take downs, Sherk style the he will be champion again.[/quote]
you do know that the primary art at richs gym is jiu-jitsu just because he likes to keep it standing you confuse him with needing to learn quick,and step up his game he can submit our top guys team JG has the best jiu-jitsu

franklin does NOT deserve a title shot,hes middle of the pack at best,and for his size and strength he should b better then he is a .silva will killem again

ps rich is as big if not bigger then anderson but hes not as fluid

[quote comment="105323"]you people talking shit about this person and that person taking silva down obviously have never seen him fight in pride or mecca.he is the deadliest striker at 185 but he doesn’t mind being on his back either since he’s a black belt in jiu jitsu.he is deadly either way.rich will need even more plastic surgery after the rematch,and good luck to the poor sap that thinks he can submit him! matt hughes step up to fight silva, he’s got enough to worry about at 170 so why bother. he’d get his teeth handed to him on a platter by big john at the end and give more money to rich’s plastic surgeon!this man in the great country of canada doesn’t see silva losing the title any time soon mother fuckers![/quote]

[quote comment="105325"][quote comment="105323"]you people talking shit about this person and that person taking silva down obviously have never seen him fight in pride or mecca.he is the deadliest striker at 185 but he doesn’t mind being on his back either since he’s a black belt in jiu jitsu.he is deadly either way.rich will need even more plastic surgery after the rematch,and good luck to the poor sap that thinks he can submit him! matt hughes step up to fight silva, he’s got enough to worry about at 170 so why bother. he’d get his teeth handed to him on a platter by big john at the end and give more money to rich’s plastic surgeon!this man in the great country of canada doesn’t see silva losing the title any time soon mother fuckers![/quote][/quote]

I take it you did not get a chance to see Anderson get his butt kicked by pretty much every facet of the game by Ryo Chonnan. It was years ago and fighters and the game progresses, but Anderson is beatable.

Franklin doesn’t seem the same, (since before the beating), He is timid, cautious, hesitant. Against Okami he did enough to win the first two rounds and that wasn’t really much. Okami showed him the respect being former champion and all. And I think realized later on, TOO LATE, he didn’t need to, so he turned it up in the third and won that round easily unfortunately for him too little too late. Franklin will need to be more agressive against Silva to have a chance. IF he tries to pull out decision Silva will KHTFO!!!!

Gvoll Why would Rich Franklin not deserve another title shot?Do you ever watch MMA? He held that middleweight belt longer then anyone else in the UFC and all former belt holders in there respect weight classes are given follow up title shots if you didnt know. And as for what anoyimous said about Franklin needs a ju jitsu game, if you didnt notice Franklin has about as many submission wins in his career as TKO’s.

He deserves a title shot but he dosen’t have the mental discipline to fight Silva the right way. He’ll still stand up with him and get caught in a clinch.

Being that Rich is a natural 230-250lb guy who cut’s weight
He should shoot and ground and pound. I’ve seen him just rip out of triangle’s and armbar attempts just cuz he’s so much stronger than most opponents.

That would be a good game plan he needs to mix it up a bit

Rich Franklin needs to do his best Jim Carrey impersonation for this one. lol~

i admit that rich is a great striker and a great fighter but silva is just really strong. his punches are double the strength of rich’s, but rich’s legwork is tremedous. the only way i think rich can win this fight is by getting a huge kick on silvas head and knocking him out otherwise silva beats him in striking and jui jitsu also bjj silva dominated nate at ufc 73 nate never had the chance to go with silva even though silva might not be the best he is really good.he would be top 5 in the world rich has to train he ass off for this fight or else it will end in round three by silva submitting him i think. at ufc 72 when rich took on okami it was a pretty even match up they both had great striking but rich took the decision so if you round it up anderson would pretty much dominate this match up. rich;s stradegy should be try to get him on the floor about 3 times then get up and finally fake the takedown and get a kick right on silva’s head so he would knock silva out

Rich franklin will dominate silva in this fight….U will all see i personally know rich and he was maybe 60 percent in the last fight with silva…i would bet my house on it

None of his corner men wanted him to fight that night …he was not able to fight at 100 percent..but showed the true champion that he is and still got his ass in the cage to please the fans.

Im glad everyone took so much interest in my last response. Any how, Everyone acts like Anderson cant be beat hes very beatable he just needs an opponent, who throws down like Shogun or Possibly Hughes or even Machida some one thats not afraid to engage first. Dont give dude time to set up, step in their first and drop bombs you know, even if BJ penn stepped up in weight I bet he could beat him. I like Rich hes good and I think he may be able to pull an upset if does this evreyone will shut up. Anyone who fights against Anderson should go in with the attitude Im going to step in and drop bombs right from the get go. Anderson is good cause he trains with Wanderlei and Chute Boxe those guys are animals they train to hurt not just beat you, I have never seen Anderson with blood or any in cage injury at all like its tough for guys to even touch him in the ring,We have to see what happens anything can after all its MMA

[quote comment="105325"][quote comment="105323"]you people talking shit about this person and that person taking silva down obviously have never seen him fight in pride or mecca.he is the deadliest striker at 185 but he doesn’t mind being on his back either since he’s a black belt in jiu jitsu.he is deadly either way.rich will need even more plastic surgery after the rematch,and good luck to the poor sap that thinks he can submit him! matt hughes step up to fight silva, he’s got enough to worry about at 170 so why bother. he’d get his teeth handed to him on a platter by big john at the end and give more money to rich’s plastic surgeon!this man in the great country of canada doesn’t see silva losing the title any time soon mother fuckers![/quote][/quote]
Dont get all hurt that I said Anderson can be submitted its true hes good on the back no doubt but his time will come then what will you say all champs loose their belt at one point or another, and I got your mother ducker hangin

Me being a big Franklin fan, there’s no doubt that he was dominated in he frist fight. And in the second fight, its gonna be a different outcome. I believe Franklin underestimated Silva the first time, but this time, Silva will lose. Franklin will come back with a mch better game plan, and he will try to stay away from the clinch obviously. I also think that Rich is just as good on his feet as Silva. Silva likes the clinch, thats his strong point. Rich is so well-rounded that he is dominate from any position. I say Rich Franklin by KO or submission, although a decision wouldnt bother me.

If you watch the first fight with an impartial view you can conclude that franklin was winning the fight the first minute or so ,throwing punches at distance and avoiding the clinch .
I guess that a clue of how his gameplan would be.
Then you got silva , which im not saying is not deserving his belt , but i think the Nate fight was controversial in the way nate was stopped when he had silva on his back ,Big john was unusually active when nate was controlling the ground game and I never saw a fight being stopped as fast as was nate from the ground position and I can recall Tito Ortiz which he does much less than Marquardt and Mccarthy hardly stops him from the ground.
And then you have the lutter fight , in where silva was exposed in his takedown defense ,and again in the nates fight .
And Silva NEVER was able to stand up when he was taken to the ground. he only was able when lutter failed the armbar or when big john stopped the fight with Nate controlling the position all the time.
And i can go far and say that Nate was more active than silva in the stand up game , at least in the fight he tentative throw some combinations , while silva did nothing besides that weird kick or one or two straights he threw.
Obviously the guy has his holes and i wouldnt say he is the best I can see the UFC favouring his with the referees desisions not in a big way but in certain things that can be desisive in a fight at this level.

No one is unstoppable and Silva almost got finish by an out of shape Lutter. If Franklin gets him full mount its over without question. Someone said that Franklins nothing but a stand up fighter. You haven’t seen all his fights then watch his none ufc fight his subs are crazy. I see Franklin testing the waters early trying to land a big shot. Then taking Silva down and a surprise sub in the 3rd round.

rich wins, floors him, mounts him, pounds him out.

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I beleive Rich will come hungry he knows he cant take another loss to Anderson this is why he will give it all hes got his mentality will be revenge for that broken nose, recived in the 1rst fight, i think Anderson is a great champ, I just hope Rich regains his title hes a good icon for the sport, Andersons week point abiltity to be taken down and thats it everything else is superb just like good herb. Rich needs the A game in effect and eat those wheaties.

[quote comment="107520"][quote comment="105325"][quote comment="105323"]you people talking shit about this person and that person taking silva down obviously have never seen him fight in pride or mecca.he is the deadliest striker at 185 but he doesn’t mind being on his back either since he’s a black belt in jiu jitsu.he is deadly either way.rich will need even more plastic surgery after the rematch,and good luck to the poor sap that thinks he can submit him! matt hughes step up to fight silva, he’s got enough to worry about at 170 so why bother. he’d get his teeth handed to him on a platter by big john at the end and give more money to rich’s plastic surgeon!this man in the great country of canada doesn’t see silva losing the title any time soon mother fuckers![/quote][/quote]

I take it you did not get a chance to see Anderson get his butt kicked by pretty much every facet of the game by Ryo Chonnan. It was years ago and fighters and the game progresses, but Anderson is beatable.[/quote]
Andersons time is running short even Rich looses lets throw Wanderlei in the mix now you know he in trouble

a stray left hook? the fight went on for a LONG time buddy and was DOMINATING, like hendo said. “I’m glad the fight went for so long so people didn’t think it was a fluke or something” . Hendo is a beast he could handle silva, that would be a great fight but hendo got silva only weakness wrestling hendo is Olympic that fool doesn’t play. ok have you seen henderson chins, goddamn!

I think Franklin is under estimated. Silva looked sloppy against Lutter, and I have never seen Rich get submitted.I think will have a good strategy.Rich has fought some great fighters and beat them.I’m going with Franklin this time.

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i was young and immature when i wrote my last blog.i’ve since had abirthday so now i’m matture. i’d like to take back my referance to others with differing opinions calling them motherfuckers. i was trying to get a rise out of people and to some extent it worked. anyway didn’t mean to offend.everyone is entitled to their opinions. now that that’s over, it’ true everone loses at some point.my view is that if anyone is going beat silva it’s either franklin or no one at this point. ace is definitly a great fighter,iactually like th guy.but silva is not just sitting on his ass thinking,i already beat this guy pretty easily,i’ll just sit back until fight time and do more of the same.” he’s not stupid.i think he’s expecting a different rich and he’s going to come with some diffrent things as well.saying all of that i still think the outcome is going to be pretty much the same as the last fight,destruction! then who else is there? the scenerio with hughes i personally think is bullshit.he can’t beat everyone in his own division iht now and guys want him at 170lbs. i think silva would send matt to the plastic surgen! by the way i was just joking about the maturity thing, 43-44 not much difference!i’m still an opinionated,crazy motherfucker. don’t be offended , eh!

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You all act like Rich is a puss.He is one of the best 185 pounders in the world.I hope he knocks Silva’s skinny ass out!

silva likes men!

First of all Nate is way overated. He never beat a top ten fighter in the UFC. As far as Silva being the dominant ground fighter…I’ve seen plenty of high level BJJ fighters get submitted by less skilled oponent.This is MMA, it only takes one big shot to end the fight..example given, Rampage vs Chuck, Serra vs GSP.. the list goes on and on.

If his mind is right, Rich can beat anyone in the world.

I dont think Silva is THAT good, I just dont see many 185 fighters in the UFC good enough to beat him. If he was 205 or 170, medicore at best.

I totally agree with this comment. Infact, I feel the same applies to RF aswell. There have been rumors that Dan Henderson may move down to 185, this would make the division slightly better. For now, this divsion is no where competitive as the 155, 170 and 205.

silva likes men!
Silva does look like he has some sugar in his tank

Franklin has no chance, unless silva gets his knee stuck in the fence.. attempting a flying knee. and franklin pounds him while he’s defenceless. lol

I really think Rich will win this one fella’s.He needs to!If he doesn’t, He may as well go back to teaching.I stand 100% behind a local boy anytime.

If Rich was at 100% it could be a good fight, but the second he steps in and sees Anderson across the octogon, he will no longer be at 100%

Henderson will own any 185′er alive right now. He needs to go down and unify the belts.

If Rich makes one mistake he will lose

I can’t believe all of the bullshit I have been reading on this site about how Silva is going to make short work of Franklin. Where is your fucking loyalty. obviously if you are all betting men you will be eating off of the dollar menu. Franklin will rip that long legged bastard apart.

Well, Silva did destroy Franklin in their first meeting, I think franklin has a chance,It depends who is the better fighter,the night they fight. Does franklin have the tools to beat silva this time? We will have to see

Been following the UFC for a while now, like 14 years, so thought I’d share a point or two. So almost always when you have a title fight you are seeing the champ take on a top 3 opponent, anyone who says that there are 5 or 6 or whatever fighters in the world better than either of these guys at 185 is wrong, thats a fact. These two are the best 185 lb UFC guys there are, and either of them has a number of ways they could beat the other guy. Personally I think Silva is too much and will win, but I also like Rich and think he’ll make a better fight out of it.

Did I read someone say that Lutter and Marquardt almost beat Silva? Lay off the pipe, Silva dominated those fights. Almost as in made it well past the Leben point? How can you almost beat someone without landing a solid strike or putting someone in a submission? Just because you take someone down in MMA doesn’t mean you’ve almost won… and then you get reversed and dominated. Especially Marquardt, he had nothing on Slvia. Lutter has those “awesome” JJ skills but found himself getting elbowed in the head while being held in a triangle of sorts. Doubt he trained for that kind of JJ. Anderson is the best MMA striker I have ever seen, and the times he’s been on the ground he’s played his strengths and saved energy. Some say Rich is much larger and stronger, but look at the first fight when they meet in the middle and touch gloves – notice both are listed at 6′1″ or 6′2″ but Anderson stands at least 2″ taller. He also suprised Rich with his strength, so it’s not skin and bones either. Anderson is just plain nasty and he will continue to crush people for a while. Of course he’ll lose at some point, maybe a few times, but I don’t that’s anytime in the next year or two. Unless Rashad Evans drops to 185 and then look the FCK out…!!!

This is an interesting match up. What does Silva have over Franklin? Speed (which leads to power), lateral movement, timing and pin-point accuracy. Silva also has a mental edge because he badly defeated Franklin in their first fight.

I would be suprised if Silva attempts to win with knee strikes in a clinch again as Silva knows that Franklin will be expecting this. Instead, I suspect that Silva will be ready with accurate counter strikes to Franklin’s haymakers and wide punches.

Franklin has amazing general cardio, but has a tendency to get arm weary during his fights. This is an indication that Franklin does not incorporate enough bag work into his training. In sharp contrast, Silva rarely gets arm weary – during his fights: he looks like he could strike all night without getting tired.

However, I would not count Franklin out. He is one of the most intelligent fighters in MMA, and if he goes into the fight with a good strategy, he could frustrate and beat Silva.

Silva is not invincible. He lost a number of times in Pride against fighters that had strong chins and kept the pressure on him. Silva also HATES getting kicked in his chicken legs. If Franklin works feints to draw out Silva’s counter attacks and works Silva’s legs and body, he could take away much of Silva’s movement and speed, which would allow him to work take downs, and eventually win the fight.

This should be a interesting fight.

I am going to this fight, so I really, really hope Rich dominates. That’s a very tall order when you’re talking about Anderson Silva. I have been a die hard fan and mma fighter for many years, and Silva is hands down the most versatile striker I’ve ever seen. He’s very well rounded, and I personally have been unable to spot a single hole in his game. I think Rich’s best chance is to jump ahead in the first minute. If he can land a big shot early, he will knock anderson off his game long enough to impose his will. If Rich comes to fight, I like his chances, but it’s not going to be easy. Silva is a beast.

[quote post="2685"]silva is gonna have a mental edge over rich for sure, but i think rich will fight smart and do what he can to make the fight last as long as possible, probably by keeping his distance and picking his shots, its a 5 round fight and i think the longer it goes the more chance rich could have of landing a big bomb, marquardt was a little too aggressive and it cost him, silva is too good for that, rich needs to fight defensive and counter punch a lot, but still i don’t know how good his chances are, even with the hometown crowd behind him… rich is pretty much a striker and at least with marquardt and lutter those guys had a chance on the ground, silva really out matches rich everywhere in the octagon, its probably gonna be a tough night for rich… [/quote]
Rich is good on the ground, not so much as submissions go, but he is good at scrambling and getting on top.

[quote post="2685"]Of course, just knowing how to strike wont get you too far in MMA. Sure he has BJJ too, but Silvas biggest weakness is wrestling. Id love to see him fight a solid wrestler like Hughes(he has mentioned moving to 185). A good wrestler like that would dominate him. Unfortunately for Rich, hes not much of a wrestler either. Rich will have to out strike Silva to win.[/quote]
Hughes would just be a puching bag for Silva, he can’t strike good enough to set up a takedown (look what GSP did to him). Now GSP at 185 is a different story. He could take him down like Lutter did and GnP. Champions don’t last long unless they are good wrestlers with good sriking. Silva has the sriking for sure,but someone as controling as GSP is on the ground is a bad matchup.

[quote post="2685"]i admit that rich is a great striker and a great fighter but silva is just really strong. his punches are double the strength of rich’s, but rich’s legwork is tremedous. the only way i think rich can win this fight is by getting a huge kick on silvas head and knocking him out otherwise silva beats him in striking and jui jitsu also bjj silva dominated nate at ufc 73 nate never had the chance to go with silva even though silva might not be the best he is really good.he would be top 5 in the world rich has to train he ass off for this fight or else it will end in round three by silva submitting him i think. at ufc 72 when rich took on okami it was a pretty even match up they both had great striking but rich took the decision so if you round it up anderson would pretty much dominate this match up. rich;s stradegy should be try to get him on the floor about 3 times then get up and finally fake the takedown and get a kick right on silva’s head so he would knock silva out [/quote]
Watch Frankling KO Nate Quarey, and then tell me Silva hits harder. Silva is a great striker, but he doesn’t have that one punch KO power,like franklin does, where the opponent is stiff legged and unconcious for 2 minutes.

I think if franklin can get silva to the ground, i think he has a chance at winning!,but if it stays standing, its going to be lights for franklin

i think silva will lose, becase he think he is the best!!

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Silva is the best striker in ALL of MMA, I think this knockout will be even more brutal than the last one

why not go for a leglock or dirty wrestling agains silva, silva cannot defend a leg lock artist, he lost miserably in Japan to a fe leg lock artists in his career.. comon franklin look at the god damn films!!! silva is horrible on the ground..

[quote comment="145561"]i was young and immature when i wrote my last blog.i’ve since had abirthday so now i’m matture. i’d like to take back my referance to others with differing opinions calling them motherfuckers. i was trying to get a rise out of people and to some extent it worked. anyway didn’t mean to offend.everyone is entitled to their opinions. now that that’s over, it’ true everone loses at some point.my view is that if anyone is going beat silva it’s either franklin or no one at this point. ace is definitly a great fighter,iactually like th guy.but silva is not just sitting on his ass thinking,i already beat this guy pretty easily,i’ll just sit back until fight time and do more of the same.” he’s not stupid.i think he’s expecting a different rich and he’s going to come with some diffrent things as well.saying all of that i still think the outcome is going to be pretty much the same as the last fight,destruction! then who else is there? the scenerio with hughes i personally think is bullshit.he can’t beat everyone in his own division iht now and guys want him at 170lbs. i think silva would send matt to the plastic surgen! by the way i was just joking about the maturity thing, 43-44 not much difference!i’m still an opinionated,crazy motherfucker. don’t be offended , eh![/quote]

what do you mean ‘no one’ that’s total BS!! silva is lame on the ground, I don’t care how many bjj patches he has, he does’nt use it against a stronger fighter effectively to save his ass, too bad dana white comes to his rescue through reffing.. My opinion is UFC is turning out to be like boxing, a one sided con show to get people riled up. Reality says other fighters with silva’s number will come in and put his ass on the ground and when the ref tries to break it up, ignore the fucker and submit him.. muay thai is in no way better than the ground arts.. The Japanese have proven that in combat.. Silva lost plenty in Japan and he still sucks on the ground and against the leg lock. dana white is full of shit with this phony ‘rescue me ref’ sideshow…

so who won???