besides the guys u mentioned, henderson and linland are two other guys that could possibly take silva’s belt, also gomi is not the right guy to beat sherk, that guy is bj penn of course.

great ko by Silva, I knew nate was in over his head but at least he didnt get Rich Franklin’d. Maybe that website wont be such a hit after all huh mania?

Tito fucking lost for a cage grab…yet in almost every fight on any UFC card I see shit loads of people getting away with multiple cage grabs. Seems to me that Big John either has it out for Tito or Dana is slowly trying to screw Tito over by instructing the refs to by really harsh on Tito.

Rematch Tito Ortiz!! No Doubt!
(Personally I don’t need to see a rematch because Tito won that fight and all Rashad did was put on a dance clinic..)

“Wowwwwwww” (ala Rogan). I feel like I got my money’s worth last night, thank you guys!

Evans-Ortiz. Tito won the battle, barely, but Evans won the war. You could tell at the beginning of the fight Evans appeared to have some doubt as to whether he belonged there but near the end when he took Tito down, Evans “crossed over”. He is a top guy and proved he belongs right up there. So the war goes to Evans. Tito’s punchers chance aside- I would favor Evans in the rematch. He continues to improve and climb the rankings; Tito is just hanging on.

Sherk dominated. Not much else to say there. He kept the fight on the ground and nullified Franca’s fists.

And after watching Kenny Florian dominate a guy who appeared to be more physical, I can see why Shrek didn’t look so impressive when he won the belt. Sherk and Florian are for real. I’m looking forward to any of Penn, Huerta, Gomi fighting either of the afore.

Heath! Heath!! Dude… chivalry is dead! Don’t let the guy back up so you can “knock him back down”- FINISH! Herring just renewed his contract last night in my book even though Noguiera won the fight. He should have won by KO and not lose by WTF.

Anderson Silva. The camera showed Rich Franklin after the KO and he looked like maybe he wanted to stop off and pick up a couple cheeseburgers on his way home (205 anybody?). Silva is like a superhero.

In my opinion, Marquardt looked good last night. He was just up against it. Marquardt-Franklin would be interesting because both guys are physical specimens. Not sure who I would favor there.

Oh… after an 0-6 start, I pulled a 5-1-1 out of ‘73… with Franca and Tito having failed me.

Silva looked terrible against Lutter, maybe joe rogan was right about the fact that having knee surgery 11 weeks before that fight made him perform at 50%
yesterday he looked fantastic: awesome striking, awesome ju-jitsu, he flipped nathan over and finished him like bisping does.
right now I really don’t think rich franklin has a chance in the rematch.

and I was really upset with rashad.

BJ is the only one who can handle the muscle shark and Tito really is a dead fighter: in the third round he appeared to have run a marathon..

[quote comment=”100387″]Silva looked terrible against Lutter, maybe joe rogan was right about the fact that having knee surgery 11 weeks before that fight made him perform at 50%
yesterday he looked fantastic: awesome striking, awesome ju-jitsu, he flipped nathan over and finished him like bisping does.
right now I really don’t think rich franklin has a chance in the rematch.

and I was really upset with rashad.[/quote]
Using Bisping to describe something about Anderson Silva?!? BLASPHEMY!!

Tito is far from dead - no matter how great your conditioning is, if you consistently go for take downs at that pace only to have a lot of them get stuffed requiring you to grapple and pummel your way out of danger - it’s going to take a heck of a lot out of you.

Rashad is for real. Still needs work though. I heavily favor him over Tito for the rematch. You could see the doubt in Rashad’s eyes as to whether or not he believed he should be there & he proved that he does. Starting with his next fight, expect to see a very aggressive, confident Rashad from here on out.

I like Hermes alot but Mamas Boy is sure right about Sherk being in a whole nother league. I expect we see BJ challenge for Sherks title by year end. Sherk is basically Hughes but with shorter limbs so BJ should take that belt when they meet if he shows up in as good of shape as we saw against Pulver.

Heath Herring is a fool. Nog, what’s with you Pride guys coming into the cage so laxed! It’s either you guys are sleeping or believing your own hype or something. It’s a fight dammit, start acting like you’re in one & defend yourself!

There is no threat to Silva’s 185 title currently. The man is simply nothing short of amazing. In the same vein as what Jesse said, unless Hendo or Kang make the transition, Silva will sit comfortably at the top, defending his title with ease. No one will take him past the 2nd round. Anyone know what Silva’s walk-around weight is? He looks like he could compete at 205 if he gets bored at middle-weight.

Anyone see the Edgar fight? I’m interested in how Bocek looked even though my boy Edgar laced him.

Kenflo is the truth people!

Greg Jackson is over hyped. His fighters are either fighting scared or getting whipped. i.e. Jardine, Sanchez, Evans, Marquardt His master game plans aren’t working so well.

“Tito really is a dead fighter: in the third round he appeared to have run a marathon”

I wouldnt say dead but if he were champ…. he would have some serious problems making it through a 5 rounder. He has always gassed out after round2.

lol @ mania

keep kidding yourself

hype filho and kang all you want

the only threat to silva is hendo coming down to 185

What the UFC needs to do, is show more fights in their pay per view events!!! I am sick of all the build up crap and all of Rogan’s annoying comments. Just show the fights…I wanted to see Frankie Edgar and I was upset that I wasn’t able to see that fight. There were 4 fights that weren’t even televised. All you need is a background story on the main event, not all of the fights. I WANT TO SEE FIGHTS for 3 hours, not fights for 2 hours and Rogan talking for 1…Ahhhhhh

[quote post=”2674″]I WANT TO SEE FIGHTS for 3 hours, not fights for 2 hours and Rogan talking for 1…Ahhhhhh[/quote]

I totally agree.

I live in Redondo Beach, and last Thursday I saw a small plane towing a sign over the beach that said “Ortiz versus Evans”.

This whole card was a bunch of over-hyped crap!

Tito is washed-up and the entire 185 pound division is DOA.

Nobody is saying the PPV SUCKED!!!!

And for good reason.

The lightweight champ Sean Sherk (Who in my opinion was the favorite) really got rocked with a knee shooting in that stopped my heart for a second, but Champions come back and he looked like the 155lb champ.

Ortiz looked really strong, maybe slower than Rashad but strength and knowledge prevailed there. Ortiz drew a draw with Evans solely on the fact that Ortiz was penalized 1 point in the second round that he (Tito) was winning. Rashad did get 1 takedown in the last 15 seconds of that fight…but one takedown (in my opinion) in the whole of a UFC match shouldn’t win a fight. Ortiz is real good, in the last 9 years his only losses are to Chuck Liddell and Randy Couture.

The problem with Pride guys coming over to the UFC is that most of them are coming over
way after their prime.

Anderson Silva is in a class by himself. I didn’t think Nate could dish out anything Silva wouldn’t be able to weather. I put $200 on Anderson. Thanks, spider.

I think Rashad Evans proved nothing last night. Aside from heart and some good defense, he did not display any offensive improvement. I have no interest in seeing the inevitable rematch. Tito and Evans should be forced to live with the DRAW decision and that’s the end of it. If the fight had been competitive, that’d be a different story.

The UFC ppv show is getting stingier and stingier. Would it have really killed them to air one more undercard fight? Apparently so.

UFC Mania and UFC Fans:

I have been a loyal UFC fan ever since the tito/shamrock TUF. That is, until last night. I respect Jessee and enjoy reading his posts, however, I cannot disagree more with the “armchair elitist” comment. The facts are the facts. And here they are:

Herring Fight
The Herring fight was a total disgrace. He caught Big Nog square with the kick and destroyed him. The fight certainly should have been stopped as Big Nog was laid out and totally unable to block any of the strikes. Then, of course, for no reason whatsoever, Herring backs off and does not do another thing the entire fight. It should be obvious to anyone with half of brain that Herring was told not to win the fight. He did nothing but throw a joke combination with that headkick. The only reason it landed was b/c Big Nog made a huge mistake and bent into it. This fight set the tone for the entire night. By the way, the break after the first round has got to be a record.

Sherk Fight
This guy is just an animal that should be recognized as one of the best in the game.

Tito Fight
What a joke. Big John actually stopped the fight out of nowhere so Evans’ mouthpiece to be cleaned. The stoppage was forever. I have never seen this. As to the cage grab, watch any fight with a wrestler and his opponent does it always. Tito dominated that fight except for the final 15 seconds. Big John is to fault. Tito was the larger, more active, and superior fighter. Of course, at the end of the fight, instead of being outraged, Tito kissed the ring of Dana White (who was nowhere to be seen all night) and then talked about his jet.

Silva Fight
Clearly, a case of a hype machine. Good luck with that website. Silva is a joy to watch. However, for some reason, instead of showing replays, they had to rush him out of the ring and Kenny Florian in. Does anyone actually like Florian?

Finally, is it anyone close to necessary that the broadcast constantly remind us about the fights. There is so much hype leading up to it. During the fights, Mike Goldberg just hypes the next pay per view event. I did not watch the WWE but it has to be like this. I want to see the fights and not a promotion. Dana White has blown it. I am a loyal reader of UFCMania and I think you do a great job. I, however, am done with the UFC.

[quote comment=”100300″]great ko by Silva, I knew nate was in over his head but at least he didnt get Rich Franklin’d. Maybe that website wont be such a hit after all huh mania?[/quote]
at least franklin took a shot
nice chin nate

1. If Nick Diaz can make LW, I wanna see him take on Sherk

2. The UFC PPV production is turning into HBO boxing. There is way too much talking. This is what I was afraid of with the growth of the audience. They’re not forced to keep up the quality of the production since they KNOW that people buy the PPV’s.

[quote comment=”100444″]lol @ mania

keep kidding yourself

hype filho and kang all you want

the only threat to silva is hendo coming down to 185[/quote]

lol at GasManShad — I didn’t write it.

Rashad evans is a boring fighter i would love to see him get in the cage with one of the top 5 205 fighters chuck or rampage would destroy him

I was shocked that they didn’t call the Hearing fight, after that head kick but Heath shouldn’t have given them a choice and finished him. I couldn’t believe what I was seeing. Sherk is a stud. I thought Franca would be more of a challenge but I was wrong. I guess we will have to wait on Evan Tanner to take care of Anderson Silva. lol. I agree, too much talking on the ppv.

[quote comment=”100470″]UFC Mania and UFC Fans:

It should be obvious to anyone with half of brain that Herring was told not to win the fight. He did nothing but throw a joke combination with that headkick. The only reason it landed was b/c Big Nog made a huge mistake and bent into it. This fight set the tone for the entire night.[/quote]

Herring was probably just as surprised as the rest of us…

Remember that top-tier guys like Nog get more leeway than unproven fighters…all Herring needed was a few hammer fists, hell I think a simple mount would have sealed the deal.

I was at UFC 73… the crowd was awful. Booed at everything. The arena was definitely not sold out, unless thousands of people didn’t come or it holds 17000.

Frank Edgar manhandled Bocek. Most prelim fights ended in the first round. The crowd booed the Gurgel fight which I thought was the fight of the night. I will never, ever go back to Sacramento for a UFC event. Hell, I got beer poured on me by two teen couples arguing. Arco arena is dead to me now.

Sherk is probably the strongest and best conditioned fighter in the UFC pound for pound, Franca was f**ked from the start. Silva looked great against Nate I already knew Silva was a dangerous striker but was impressed with his reversal in the end, if silva fought lutter last night it would have been a much different fight with his knees being totally healed. Nate isn’t in the same league as Silva, its pretty obvious, Franklin didn’t look so happy, probably thinking “oh shite” even though he said he wanted silva to win. I personally thought Nate would do better but silva is hands down the better fighter and probably the best striker period in MMA.

[quote comment=”100445″]What the UFC needs to do, is show more fights in their pay per view events!!! I am sick of all the build up crap and all of Rogan’s annoying comments. Just show the fights…I wanted to see Frankie Edgar and I was upset that I wasn’t able to see that fight. There were 4 fights that weren’t even televised. All you need is a background story on the main event, not all of the fights. I WANT TO SEE FIGHTS for 3 hours, not fights for 2 hours and Rogan talking for 1…Ahhhhhh[/quote]

i agree, 3 of the 4 fights they didn’t show ended in the first round, and the one that didn’t is the one nobody cared about, so there is no reason all three of those fights shouldn’t have been squeezed into the show, the florian fight ended at 12:40, so one could have been shown after that, and there was at least 20 minutes between each main card fight of bs talking and fight hype that we’ve all seen 100 times throughout the week anyway, the ppv was good, but could have been great if they showed those other 3 fights…

If Herring was told to purposefully loose, it would have been the dumbest thing in the world for him to accept. No matter how much money it was. He is now 1-2 in the octagon and his career in the ufc has got to be in question now. He was so close to finishing that fight and he blew it probably because he was afraid of the submission. Im so tired of people trying not to loose. Sylvia, Franklin, Kos, O’brian and now Herring all have passed up opportunities to stop a fight and press the action because they were afraid of loosing.

Herring was probably just as surprised as the rest of us…

Remember that top-tier guys like Nog get more leeway than unproven fighters…all Herring needed was a few hammer fists, hell I think a simple mount would have sealed the deal.[/quote]

I couldnt agree with you more here bro. I was explaining to all my buddies i was watching with the nog has a track record. These refs know the fighters they are presiding over and know their history. Nog is the toughest guy i have ever seen. If you watch closesly it almost looks like nog is waiving the ref off on the way down. Just my take.

KENFO.

KENFLO EVEN.

lol.

Tito’s cheating saved him from defeat. With over 2 minutes remaining in round 2 Tito held the fence to prevent a take down that would inevitably give Rashad side control. From the looks at the end of round 3 Ortiz couldn’t handle Rashad’s ground game. He basically curled up and took punishment.
Evans from side control would dominate the rest of round 2 or mount and finish.
Round 3 would have looked a lot different with a confident Rashad and dominated Tito.

The cheating cost Tito a point but saved him the match, IMHO.

[quote post=”2674″]BJ is the only one who can handle the muscle shark and Tito really is a dead fighter: in the third round he appeared to have run a marathon.. [/quote]
As good as BJ is, I don’t think he can beat Sherk. He ran full tilt into Franca’s knee like 3 times and it hardly fazed him. Sherk can push the pace for 25 mins. His stength and tempo will gas BJ quickly no matter what condition BJ is in. Sherk only lost to 2 bigger stronger guys. The smaller guys, even if they’re better, can’t handle his power.

[quote post=”2674″]The problem with Pride guys coming over to the UFC is that most of them are coming over
way after their prime. [/quote]
Most of the Pride guys are 30 , most of the UFC champs are in their 30’s . Early 30’s is right in a guys prime. Henderson is the oldest and he has 2 belts, how is that WAY after their prime? Even if 30 is way after their prime its ok because they will be fighting 40 yearolds (Randy , Chuck) WAY,WAY after their prime.

ref coulda stopped the fight after herring followed up with i dont know how many strikes since “they” refused to show it on replay…. no one would have complained atleast not anybody that doesnt work for dana..not even nog

Man… What was up with Tito?
Herring knocks big nog almost out and lets him up?
Sherk is a great take down man…Now he has to be a finisher man! Ken Flo would beat him now! BJ Penn would own him!
Silva…..Well he is the man!

the ref could have stopped the fight after herring followed up landing i dont know how many strikes since “they” refused to show it on replay…no one would have complain atleast not any one that doesnt work for dana..not even nog

Stephan Bonner? Gorge Gurgel? Chris Lyttle?
When? I paid forty bucks and never saw them! I’m sick of seeing a blank screen when I know other fights have gone on. Last time they take my money, even though the fights I saw were very exciting.

the[quote comment=”100594″]Stephan Bonner? Gorge Gurgel? Chris Lyttle?
When? I paid forty bucks and never saw them! I’m sick of seeing a blank screen when I know other fights have gone on. Last time they take my money, even though the fights I saw were very exciting.[/quote]
y “they” want extra 20$ for dvd. 2 come out every month now…

tito looked gassed in the second round. so much for his “out of this world” (Rogan) conditioning. had he been in his usual shape, i think he would have destroyed evans…

sherk is an absolute killer. i couldn’t be more impressed…

silva is lethal…he looked stronger and more versed in just about every area…has anyone seen a more precise and powerful striker in mma, ever? r.i.p franklin

herring impressed me…he powered out of most of nog’s submissions…and should never have let nog up from the knockdown. i still think the fight should have been stopped. nog could not intelligently defend himself and only survived because of herring’s mistake. i’ve seen stoppages from much less devastating strikes (i.e. Lidell)…

kenny is for real…he too is relentless and a very smart fighter…i’d love to see florian/stevenson…that would be a great fight to set up a contender for sherk…

a good card with very competitive matches (outside of silva’s domination)…

[quote comment=”100452″][quote post=”2674″]I WANT TO SEE FIGHTS for 3 hours, not fights for 2 hours and Rogan talking for 1…Ahhhhhh[/quote]

I totally agree.[/quote]
Yeah, at least show some clips and say what the outcome was. You can do all the undercard fights in under a minute if time is so precious. Time is not THAT precious though because seems like they give Rogan the mike sometimes if a fight ends quickly and the event producer probably gives him a signal they agreed upon in advance meaning “just keep talking dude”. Rogan has the gift of gab when they need it.

[quote comment=”100458″]
I think Rashad Evans proved nothing last night. Aside from heart and some good defense, he did not display any offensive improvement. I have no interest in seeing the inevitable rematch. Tito and Evans should be forced to live with the DRAW decision and that’s the end of it. If the fight had been competitive, that’d be a different story.
[/quote]
I agree with you he didn’t show much offense but I disagree that he proved nothing. He popped his TUF cherry last night almost beating a former LHW champ/current contender. Tito was the first “gold level” opponent for Evans. Even if Tito had been given the decision, Evans proved he has arrived. I’m not saying he is #1… more like a solid #6 or #7. It’s no longer speculation now.

Evans continues to improve whereas Tito is coming down from his best (although the striking looks better).

A few things that aggrivated me when I read this:

1. Calling Bonnar Sgt. Steroid. Why not call Marquardt Sgt. Steroid too? The fact is that Bonnar has been one of the few guys to test positive and come out and say “I fucked up, no excuses.”

2. Saying that Robinson shouldn’t have tapped if the ref didn’t see fit to stop the fight is ridiculous. Get in the cage and take a few hard shots; I’m sure you’d lay there and take a beating like that until the ref stepped in, LOL.

[quote comment=”100546″][quote post=”2674″]BJ is the only one who can handle the muscle shark and Tito really is a dead fighter: in the third round he appeared to have run a marathon.. [/quote]
As good as BJ is, I don’t think he can beat Sherk. He ran full tilt into Franca’s knee like 3 times and it hardly fazed him. Sherk can push the pace for 25 mins. His stength and tempo will gas BJ quickly no matter what condition BJ is in. Sherk only lost to 2 bigger stronger guys. The smaller guys, even if they’re better, can’t handle his power.[/quote]

Gord, have you seen the Sherk vs Hughes fight? I ask because I’d like to point out that Hughes & Sherk are exactly the same fighter in virtually every aspect; strength, conditioning, technique, foundation, game plan, etc. As awesome as Sherk is, he brings nothing different to the Octagon than Hughes does. If Hughes has no answer for BJ, I’m pretty certain Sherk wont either. That’s my logic anyway.

[quote comment=”100619″][quote comment=”100458″]
I think Rashad Evans proved nothing last night. Aside from heart and some good defense, he did not display any offensive improvement. I have no interest in seeing the inevitable rematch. Tito and Evans should be forced to live with the DRAW decision and that’s the end of it. If the fight had been competitive, that’d be a different story.
[/quote]
I agree with you he didn’t show much offense but I disagree that he proved nothing. He popped his TUF cherry last night almost beating a former LHW champ/current contender. Tito was the first “gold level” opponent for Evans. Even if Tito had been given the decision, Evans proved he has arrived. I’m not saying he is #1… more like a solid #6 or #7. It’s no longer speculation now.

Evans continues to improve whereas Tito is coming down from his best (although the striking looks better).[/quote]

You have articulated what I did’nt in my initial post. Again, I totally agree.

[quote comment=”100586″]the ref could have stopped the fight after herring followed up landing i dont know how many strikes since “they” refused to show it on replay…no one would have complain atleast not any one that doesnt work for dana..not even nog[/quote]
Fu%king wimps. If you can’t show the killer instinct to go in and end the fight b/c you’re to busy waiting for the ref to stop it, then you don’t deserve to win. If you’re getting all hacked off because you think that Nog was out, then that’s even more reason for Herring to have been easily able to go down and finish it. Quit being an apologist for Herring, that’s no excuse for him not finishing. He didn’t finish. Anderson Silva did. End of story.

[quote comment=”100586″]the ref could have stopped the fight after herring followed up landing i dont know how many strikes since “they” refused to show it on replay…no one would have complain atleast not any one that doesnt work for dana..not even nog[/quote]
Fu%king wimps. If you can’t show the killer instinct to go in and end the fight b/c you’re to busy waiting for the ref to stop it, then you don’t deserve to win. If you’re getting all hacked off because you think that Nog was out, then that’s even more reason for Herring to have been easily able to go down and finish it. Quit being an apologist for Herring, that’s no excuse for him not finishing. He didn’t finish. Anderson Silva did in his fight. Heath needs to Tivo it and learn. End of story.

The one thing that really pissed me off was having the KENFLO/ALVIN fight after the main event!!! Total disrespect to the champion and his challenger. UFC what the hell were you thinking???!!!

Hey I think bottomline Minotauro Had punched Herring so many times he wasn’t really there either. Also the guy came in at 259, wholy shit, talk about moving a lot of weight.

Tito Ortiz put on a impression performance last night by taking Evans down once or a twice a round and laying on top of him. At least Sherk would do something after he took Franca down. If that fight had went one more round Tito would have got beat. But overall quite possibly the worst fight of the night.

Also I tired of people saying the Herring Vs Nog fight should have been stopped. What should have happen is the Texas Lazy Horse beat Nog until the ref pulls him off. He also shouldn’t have danced around for a minute and a half in the 2nd round, if Nog was so dazed and confused he should have finished the fight as soon as the 2nd round started.

Herring = total failure, personally think Nog was F’ed until the 3rd round. Herring had plently of time to do something.

Sherk/Franca - looked basically like all of Sherks fights. good fight though.

How did “sugar” think he won, was this dancing with the stars. He gets a stupid unoriginal nickname and now hes dancin around like a “ho-happy pappy, happy to be nappy” as Trech would say. He looked scared and didnt do shit for 14.5 minutes.

Silva - Speechless, the man is unreal.

didnt see the KenFlo fight yet….

[quote comment=”100470″]UFC Mania and UFC Fans:

I have been a loyal UFC fan ever since the tito/shamrock TUF. That is, until last night. I respect Jessee and enjoy reading his posts, however, I cannot disagree more with the “armchair elitist” comment. The facts are the facts. And here they are:
…
Finally, is it anyone close to necessary that the broadcast constantly remind us about the fights. There is so much hype leading up to it. During the fights, Mike Goldberg just hypes the next pay per view event. I did not watch the WWE but it has to be like this. I want to see the fights and not a promotion. Dana White has blown it. I am a loyal reader of UFCMania and I think you do a great job. I, however, am done with the UFC.[/quote]
Just because of one event you are “done with the UFC” ? I can see someone saying that after that P.O.S. ‘72 but… well, come on back sometime and give it a second try.

i think tito won that 3rd round. the only thing that rah did was the take down on the last 1 min. the other 4 min tito dominated. so your going to give the round to him just because of that.

I was live last night and I could tell you that I was disappointed. The fights that were the undercard were all right. There were no knockouts excepts for momentary ones, man Sherk’s chin took two HUGE knees. I Sat in the rafters and watched the same show ya’ll did at home on the big screens minus the Rogan/goldberg commentary which I actually enjoy and missed. Being at Arco for 5 hours was a little too much so I am glad they don’t show all the fights or the ppv would be an all night snoozer. For those of you who have gone you would probably attest to this as well. Just had to go to check it out but it was a lot more enjoyable watching PPV broadcast at home.

What do ya’ll think of Franca covering up like a little girl? Fight should be called or soccer kicks allowed when someone does this…

[quote comment=”100631″]A few things that aggrivated me when I read this:

Saying that Robinson shouldn’t have tapped if the ref didn’t see fit to stop the fight is ridiculous. Get in the cage and take a few hard shots; I’m sure you’d lay there and take a beating like that until the ref stepped in, LOL.[/quote]

I wouldn’t be on the ground taking shots like that in the first place…I’m that damn good…

[quote comment=”100679″]i think tito won that 3rd round. the only thing that rah did was the take down on the last 1 min. the other 4 min tito dominated. so your going to give the round to him just because of that.[/quote]

I dont know if you have access to watch the fight again. If you do, watch the end of the 3rd round closely & ask yourself what did Rashad do with that final takedown that Tito was unable to in any of his takedowns the entire fight. Once you find that answer, it’ll help you understand “why”. Not that you’ll agree but atleast it’ll make sense to you.

[quote comment=”100432″]Greg Jackson is over hyped. His fighters are either fighting scared or getting whipped. i.e. Jardine, Sanchez, Evans, Marquardt

His master game plans aren’t working so well.[/quote]

Your name says it all because that comment could only come from someone with the logic of a stick. Damn that Greg Jackson hype machine. Its cool to have a valid opinion but yours is not even close to being based in reality.

Since Page vs Henderson is going to be an international event are we gonna get to see it for free? I noticed on the UFC website all the Events b4 it are listed as PPV but its listed as International Event. That would be sweet but probably unlikely.

ok personally, i hope dana white ends tito’s career in the ufc. i never wanna see him on tv again. he says oh ive only lossed to randy and chuck in the last 9 years, well that doesn’t say anything. if u take out the 3 fights against an old, washed up, and simply lower class ken shamrock, he is i believe 4-3-1 in those 9 years, with a decision win over patrick cote, a split decision win over vitor belfort, another split decision over forrest (that he did not win) his ass kicked by chuck twice, his ass spanked by randy(literally) and i think he lost to rashad. he had about 4 take downs and he didn’t do a god damn thing otherwise. his conditioning is pathetic by the way, he was falling asleep in round 2 just like against griffin. yet he still runs his mouth like he’s god.
on another note, i really wish they would not stop the PPV broadcast until every single fight is shown. if you pay 40$ to see it u deserve to see it all

Rashad is a joke. All he did was dance around the whole fight. He basically did nothing - a couple of wild punches that didn’t connect and decent take down defense (maybe looked better b/c tito’s back went out on him in the second round). The only reason Tito was cut was b/c of Rashad’s thumbnail nearly jamming him in the eye - he can’t even make a fist. He didn’t even know he was in a fight until the last minute. He’s a joke - I hope they match him up against Bisping toward the end of the year so Rashad gets an effin wake-up call. Nuff said.

Seriously: anyone who thinks that the ref should have stopped the Minotauro-Herring fight is out of his mind and has absolutely no idea about Minotauro. The difference between you guys and the referee is: he does his homework.

Big Nog has endured the most punishment I ever saw in MMA fights, be it from Cro Cop, Barnett or Fedor. He has the best chin in the game (except for Hunt maybe, but he is a whole different story) and if a referee doesn’t know that Minotauro can eat such a kick and stand-up all by himself in a matter of seconds he deserves to become nothing but a commentator here on this blog.

Pff … “The Crazy Gassing Horse” Herring is done.

It was obvious that Evans was very hesitant to take the fight to Ortiz for 15 minutes. It is sad because he is a much better fighter than Tito and should have won that fight easily. Instead he danced and played defense all night.

As for Sherk, he obviously won but I just can’t get behind these fighters with tremendous strength that win by holding their opponents down for 15-25 minutes. It makes for an extremely boring fight. Granted Sherk showed more skill than someone like Manny Gamburyan (even though he had a good first round in the finals I still think that was the most lopsided TUF finals yet) with his guard passes but he still never did any damage to Franca the entire fight. Take away just 10% of his strength and Franca wins. Like I said though, Sherk won but it was a boring victory that showed little skill, only raw strength.

As for Heath Herring, I hope that is the last we see of him. He has been an abomination in the UFC. He obviously can’t stand in with the toughest fighters in the world (not like he could when he was in Pride either). Send him packing.

Anderson Silva is just a machine. Rich Franklin in top shape and good mental form could make a good fight but I can’t see him winning unless he lands a lucky blow. I’m sure we will find out soon because the next fight for Silva should be Franklin.

[quote comment=”100705″]ok personally, i hope dana white ends tito’s career in the ufc. i never wanna see him on tv again. he says oh ive only lossed to randy and chuck in the last 9 years, well that doesn’t say anything. if u take out the 3 fights against an old, washed up, and simply lower class ken shamrock, he is i believe 4-3-1 in those 9 years, with a decision win over patric
k cote, a split decision win over vitor belfort, another split decision over forrest (that he did not win) his ass kicked by chuck twice, his ass spanked by randy(literally) and i think he lost to rashad. he had about 4 take downs and he didn’t do a god damn thing otherwise. his conditioning is pathetic by the way, he was falling asleep in round 2 just like against griffin. yet he still runs his mouth like he’s god.
on another note, i really wish they would not stop the PPV broadcast until every single fight is shown. if you pay 40$ to see it u deserve to see it all[/quote]

You are so off on that. I cant stand the people that say forrest beat tito. He won one round that was it. Tito almost had him in the first via the gnp. Rashad absolutely lost that fight last night. And that win over vitor belfort was a huge win over the best fighter of that timeframe. Keep hating on Tito give the man some respect, has his best fighting past him? Probably but he is still so important to the UFC and White knows it.

dissapointed with 73 beyond belief. This perspective comes from an overall generalization, and more dissapointed with the overall realization of what the hell is reallyh going on with the sport.

I was at the fight last night too and I have to agree with cyphron up above…I haven’t checked out an event in Vegas yet but I hope it’s not the same as Sacramento…They booed at everything I guess the only thing they like to see is a one hitter quitter fight. I also had a few members from a local Klan sitting next to me saying some shitty things about Rashad while he was fighting….What’s with that place?? I hope they never go back. If Bonnar wasn’t on the PPV part he actually looked pretty good in his fight. The guy he fought is a total putz…he’s an act hard due to my ink boy if you ask me.

What a fucking farce…Tito took this fight lightly.(Was screwed by McCarthy and Dana though). Evans is a joke…Big Nog well past his best. Maybe Herring was being paid more to lose ala Rampage vs. Sakuraba in Pride…

Big Nog will get destroyed by Arlovski next.

Nate the great was totally overhyped. Well done to Anderson Silva, Kenny Florian and Sherk.

The UFC needs an invigorated Arlovski, when he refinds his mojo he will walk through everyone again.

The whole event was a letdown I think.

Sherk no different than Hughes? Like they said on Sherdog radio, that may have been partly true a couple years ago, but not anymore. Sherk has probably the best takedowns in the game, a dynamic ground game, solid standup, and one hell of a chin. He needs to work on being able to finish opponents for sure, but I’d give him a pass since Franca is one tough guy to finish, and vs Florian he had that huge gash.

did anybody else think big nog look terrible? i mean beside the head kick he leaned into, he looked almost in worse shape than heath herring and thats saying something.

i fully expected him to come in there and push the pace and destroy herring, but instead he looked tired, and weak. maybe he was doing steroids in pride and he is having to cope without them, but he looked like a different fighter out there.

people, sherk is NOT hughes…he’s way to quick/fast and he’s way more active trying to finish opponents…

to the tomato can who suggested he has “little skill” and “raw strength”, are you kidding me?? the guy put on a clinic. yeah he’s incredibly strong, but he schooled franca in more than just strength. it was anything but a boring fight…

herring showed himself well last night. no one gave him a chance and most of the bloggers on this site were singing nog’s praises for weeks/months… and herring should have knocked his candy ass out. nog lucked out…herring appeared a little gassed, and a little surprised with the knock down and a confused and slow nog. for some reason, it actually looked like he didn’t really want to win (he definitely lacked any killer instinct).. too bad, it would have been a great upset…

all of you who are whinning about the card - wake up. it was great…you’re just looking for something to complain about…

i dont know how you can say nog looked horrible. he completely dominated hearing until that amazing kick, and to be honest the fight should have been called there. but give him credit. most guys wouldnt even have came out of there corner after that kick. Nog looked great untill the kick heard round the world. that kick still looks crazy even on my tvo and i know its comming now! Sherk looked good, but lets not say clinic either, he put on a wrestling clinic in that fight, and not an mma clinic. but thats his style i guess. he still didnt show much skill, but wow does he have strength for that weight class. i hope bj doesnt go back up and stays there. that would be a nice fight. tito just pisses me off sometimes. he is like a bull most of the time. and didnt try to hurt evans at all. even at that, i dont know how the hell you can score that final round to evans. 15 seconds of a take down and he won the round. what a freakin joke. tito won the first 10-9, the second was 9-9 and the third should have been 10-9 as well. that was a lowsy set up for a rematch. evans didnt show any thing in that fight except the ability to avoid damage. thats it. and anyone who saw the tv show knows he can stand around and dodge. he sucks!congrats silva, your a beast man. i love to watch you fight. Nog and andre are a fight i cant wait to see. im taking arlovski in it. but i like nog as well. nice to see the heavyweights have some talent for a change. and on another note, anyone know if we will ever see randleman back in the ufc? one big liddell knockout and he goes awol to pride!

ps, sacramento, you guys are retards, why boo a great fight like sherk and franca! hell, you guys even boo’ed noog and hearing. bring the ufc back to ohio danna. we love this stuff here.

- Nog looked SICK despite that one head kick and even after that yall could tell that Herring was SHIT scared to get close to him, all he had to do was finish him off…
- Sherk DOMINATED!!! i don’t know if anyone can challenge him for the belt, maybe Spencer Fisher vs. Kenny Florian?? what about Roger Huerta, i think he has the best chance out of the lightweights but i think he still needs a few more fights under his belt…other than that BJ PENN is the clear cut favourite against Sherk…
- Ortiz was beating Evans’ ass, throwin him around, takin him down wenever but didnt do SHIT when he was on top, Tito is known to have the best ground n pound game in UFC history and we didn’t see ANY of it in that fight but the draw was legit…Rashad Evans SUCKS!!! he has a major ego n thinks he can handle it with Tito..Tito looked very fatigue in the 3rd round n didnt look the same, has to be an injury(back??), because his cardio is always excellent, i say put them in again in the next fightcard ASAP…there’s a long wait until Aug 25 for UFC 74 so i think the UFC should try to get a fight night in there somewhere…
- Anderson Silva is the most dangerous man in the UFC man that guy is insanee…i don’t see anyone beating him and see Rich Franklin getting TKO’d again…even if Franklin can get to the latter rounds i think he’ll be too banged up to put on any offense anyways….
- Overall it was a good card, good fights…

I was really disappointed with the PPV. I bought it online through the website and for some reason they only offered 600 kbps stream. The quality was terrible. BUt as far as the fights go, how can anyone not say herring threw that fight. Im not saying dana told him to, but someone did. Tito pisses me off. He talks all this garbage about I trained my butt off and then displays a sorry performance. He tried for take downs all night instead of trading punches. Sherk is boring. THats why people booed him. Yes it was an amazing technical fight, but thats not exciting. No one likes that. Silva was amazing. THe only reason i want to see him fight Franklin is to watch him beat that ass again. I wouldve rather seen silva fight okami. I really hope i and every one who thinks that herring threw that fight are wrong, because if not then the UFC is gonna be in some shit!

***I’m sure the armchair elite will be swapping conspiracy theories for weeks to come, but the unfortunate truth is that Heath Herring had the biggest win of his career within reach and he let it go.***

Well, dont take offense Jesse, I think a conspiracy is definitely there.
Take the GG-CC fight, we all agree that Dean brought that fight to its feet MUCH faster then he ever has done. Granted it worked out for GG, but I said two secs after they were stood up that Dean was heavily ’suggested’ by UFC uppers to keep that fight on the feet, especially after the O’brien - HH fight.

FF to sat… Minotauro was clearly out, a quarter of the MMA refs in the world would have stopped that fight. Heath has showed his great gnp several times… but I guess he 100% forgot it for that fight right? Then Nog was ‘waving’ and HH got up? Since when was a wave a form of ‘get up off me’ or self defense? HH was against, heavily suggested not to beat Minotauro.

Also think there might be some BS over the Tito-Rashad fight too. What a joke the judge’s cards were…

I’ve seen chuck liddell molest the hell out of the cage and never get a point taken away. I don’t think tito was right to grab the cage but unless they penalize with consistency, that’s lame.

Also, what was with tito looking gassed in the 3rd round? I haven’t seen that happen to him since the early days.

Sherk needs to be beat. he gets great positions and does nothing with them. the only more boring title fight would involve tim sylvia.

Heath Herring would have won that fight if he kept G&P.

this whole conseracy theory stuff is a bit brash i think. Heath knows Nog is probibly the most dangerious guy he would face in the heavyweight division on the ground, even if nog is on the bottom. and besides thta hearing did prounce on him at first and tried to stop it but Nog was defending (barely!)and hearing stood up like any smart fighter would. he had to think Nog is just hanging on and if he could get him up he could bust him up. it wasnt a bad move on his part. Nog could have been half knocked out and submitted hearing easily if Heath got to careless trying to finidh the fight. Just ask Jardine how it work when ya think a guy is out and he isnt!

I couldn’t agree more!

Herring Fight
The Herring fight was a total disgrace. He caught Big Nog square with the kick and destroyed him. The fight certainly should have been stopped as Big Nog was laid out and totally unable to block any of the strikes. Then, of course, for no reason whatsoever, Herring backs off and does not do another thing the entire fight. It should be obvious to anyone with half of brain that Herring was told not to win the fight. He did nothing but throw a joke combination with that headkick. The only reason it landed was b/c Big Nog made a huge mistake and bent into it. This fight set the tone for the entire night. By the way, the break after the first round has got to be a record.

I was really impressed with Florian he just gets better all the time. If he only had the extra strenght and power, he would take out Sherk. That is the only thing he lacked in there first fight. If Sherk fights Penn, it will probably be one of the only instances where him being stronger will not be that much of a huge advantage. I really do find Sherks fighting style a bit boring Champion or not.